Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

she might be a bit busy

[lusty trench]

Probably Norn's keeping a close eye on her

But not doing anything at the moment

[golden plover]

Probably. But I still feel like she would have gone "You lose your invasion privileges"

"I'm gonna let the black Dominus go do it"

[lusty trench]

Jin: "sheooooooldred, Norn said it's my turn on the invasion"

[low flicker]

I don't play MTG but I got a very good chuckle out of Yargle returning for Bargling

because an 18/6 vanilla is hilarious in any circumstances

I still have basically every doubt this whole story arc will have a satisfying conclusion though

[copper pecan]

i'm so glad the new yargle exists

[low flicker]

it reinforces the idea that green is the best color

[golden plover]

Oh yeah for sure

But yeah, Big Yargle is cool

And the first vanilla in literally 2 years

[copper pecan]

normally i really dislike vanillas but if there needs to be a vanilla i'm glad it's this one

[rigid scarab]

Oh yeah

My friend is gonna eat this lore the fuck up

Big cool characters do big cool things and big epic explosions and shit

[low flicker]

thats hilarious to me that y'all haven't gotten a vanilla in 2 years

[copper pecan]

concept

tag team fblthp and rakdos

[low flicker]

I made a joke about him earlier

that Fblthp will (accidentally) be the one to kill Elesh norn

[golden plover]

What do y'all think our ADP moment tag team is gonna be?

It might unironically be Thalia/Gitrog

[hidden ermine]

ADP?

[sudden lava]

so we're getting a whole cycle of these flip saga phyrexians?

[fallow citrus]

most likely

[low flicker]

arceus dialga palkia

i think

[golden plover]

Arceus Dialga and Palkia

[low flicker]

a very meta centralizing card

[golden plover]

It BROKE the Pokemon TCG HARD

[hidden ermine]

Ah, I see

[golden plover]

I don't think Thalia is this busted actually. I think she's a bit above average but fine

ADP broke MULTIPLE formats

Card was nuts

All you cared about is the GX ability

[low flicker]

even the attack seems really good too

[golden plover]

It's definitely not bad

[low flicker]

i mean a 3 energy 150 damage that turbos more energy out of your deck seems quite good

[golden plover]

But turns out cutting the amount of points needed to win the game in half was too good

[golden plover]

It's actually slightly below average for pokemon

[low flicker]

OH
I thought that only applied to the current opponents active pokemon

[low flicker]

ahh

[golden plover]

Pikarom did the same thing better

And nah, the GX is basically an emblem

[low flicker]

neat

[golden plover]

Card was fucked

[low flicker]

yeah no wonder

[golden plover]

Wonder what our ADP from Mom is gonna be

[low flicker]

Yargle

the meta isn't ready for the power of an 18/6

[golden plover]

I got it: Oko and Uro

Oko and Uro 1UG
Legendary Creature - Faerie Titan
When ~ ETBs or attacks, draw like 5 cards, gain like 10 life, and ramp however much you feel is necessary.
Creatures your opponents control are 3/3 elks with no abilities.
6/6

[low flicker]

imagine the fucked up Elk Phyrexians turn into

[copper pecan]

i think it would be funny if it was like

rankle and questing beast

just a ton of effects

[hidden ermine]

A DFC

The other side is actually not a seperate card

It just continues the text

[golden plover]

Rankle and Questing Beast 2BG
Flying, Deathtouch, First Strike, Lifelink, Haste, Vigilance, Trample, Reach, Affinity for Keywords, Bolster, Heroic, Hexproof, Lifelink, Infect, Prowess
Then just all the text of both

Speaking of the tag teams

Shouldn't this one be human spirit?

Katilda died, I thought

[waxen timber]

Nah, katilda just turned into a spirit for a bit like kaya does

[golden plover]

She can turn back?

Weird

I remember her being bodied by Olivia

[waxen timber]

Gotta love reach and flying on a creature

[golden plover]

In case it loses flying

Wait @copper pecan how the fuck is Yargle back?

Muldrotha killed him

[copper pecan]

implying that yargle can be killed

[golden plover]

Jhoira watched him get blown up

She went "I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't such a burden"

[low flicker]

A person I know suggested a neat idea

[twilit canyon]

yargle is a spirit

[twilit canyon]

he doesnt really die

[golden plover]

He was trapped in the frog body tho

And that got blown up

[twilit canyon]

yea

[golden plover]

He'd either be in dominara hell or an actual spirit

[twilit canyon]

physical forms exploding mean little when you are already a spirit

[last glen]

aren't there non-flyers that can only be blocked by reachers?

[sudden lava]

back and as bad as ever

[low flicker]

So bad he loops back around to being the best card in the game

I hope all these artists are getting paid extra for all the mechanical BS

[hidden ermine]

I dont believe so

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Yargle-and-Multani-265x370.png

6 mana 18/6 chungus

for only 1 more mana then the original

[copper pecan]

there are, but they haven't made a new one in years and they're unlikely to make new ones in the future

[twilit canyon]

it makes very little sense to make non-flyers that can only be blocked by reach

[sudden lava]

the good news, beefier yargle can make for a voltron commander

18 power so only 3 more commander damage is lethal

[last glen]

does boosted damage from equips count towards commander damage

[golden plover]

Yeah

[twilit canyon]

commander damage is almost completely irrelevant

especially from a creature with no etb or ability to speak of

it has no way to get in easily. no flying, no trample, no menace

cant protect itself. neither hexproof nor a ward of some kind

its just a vanilla beater

[lusty trench]

But misty, beeg number

Beeg number go sideways, gain 18 life off a swords to plowshare

[zinc shard]

Play it with Altar of Dementia, you only got spend like 52 mana to mill someone out

[dense berry]

i actually died to commander damage in a cedh pod last week

[twilit canyon]

yeah cedh can have various commanders kill through commander damage

but its not the norm

usually it only happens from something like winota, kalamex, kraum

[dense berry]

it was a kozilek the great distortion

[copper pecan]

can't wait to kill via commander damage through yargle

[low flicker]

Yargle’s come to bargle

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/XyGXaym1eU2TiLsHycZbfA

first draft i have made of thalia and gitrog

[atomic harness]

Goat

@clever sun living legacy's -7 could unironically be used to win right? but it's like not immediate
you do it across a few turns if you dont have an infinite

[clever sun]

Yeah in theory

[atomic harness]

so far they've always left karn alone so I was wondering when I get to -7 if I just click it asap

and then try to setup the burn endgame

[glad peak]

Theoretically yes but 1 damage per artifact is still so slow

[atomic harness]

[clever sun]

You would need to loop artifacts pretty hard per turn

preferably an infinite amount of times a turn

[atomic harness]

I do have thop sword

also getting urza's saga tomorrow

[clever sun]

That's great

But I meant infinite tapped artifacts and an untapper like say

[[Isochron Scepter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter

Isochron Scepter <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Imprint — When Isochron Scepter enters the battlefield, you may exile an instant card with mana value 2 or less from your hand.
, : You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

[clever sun]

and [[Dramatic Reversal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal

Dramatic Reversal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Untap all nonland permanents you control.
"Nobody asked you to butt in, Jace. But thanks." —Chandra Nalaar

[atomic harness]

Oh I was thinking I can just do thop sword with lord high artificer no?

[clever sun]

Yeah but you need at least two win-cons in a deck Imo

[atomic harness]

hmm

[clever sun]

My decks usually layer like three

Example: my Kess list

[atomic harness]

I usually have to win by unga bungaing people to death

[clever sun]

Kess can win through Thassa's Oracle and Consultation

I can also loop Underworld Breach and Brain Freeze

[atomic harness]

so outside of thopter sword I'm not sure what else to jam here

[clever sun]

And my final wincon is Dockside + Mayhem Devil

[clever sun]

Thoracle Consult

lol

It is the most efficient wincon in UB

That said, your group might not be built for that yet

[atomic harness]

Yeah they really aren't

[clever sun]

Hmmmm

[atomic harness]

like our power level is just mid

[clever sun]

thinking about any Esper Doomsday piles...

Oh

I got it

[atomic harness]

and people are already saying what I'm doing is "a bit too fast" for them

so they always have to hit me with board wipes

[clever sun]

[[Razaketh the Foul-Blooded]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/hou/73/razaketh-the-foulblooded

Razaketh, the Foulblooded <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying, trample
Pay 2 life, Sacrifice another creature: Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle.
Liliana insisted on coming to Amonkhet to confront one of the two remaining demons to whom she is bound.
8/8

[clever sun]

Tutors for [[Animate Dead]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/78/animate-dead

Animate Dead <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When Animate Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Animate Dead." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach Animate Dead to it. When Animate Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

[clever sun]

or any other enchantment that reanimates

he then also tutors for [[Zulaport Cutthroat]] adjacent cards

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/775/zulaport-cutthroat

Zulaport Cutthroat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Rogue Ally
Whenever Zulaport Cutthroat or another creature you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
"Eldrazi? Ha! Try walking through Zulaport at night with your pockets full. Now that's dangerous."
1/1

[clever sun]

and finally [[Leonin Relic-Warder]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c17/65/leonin-relic-warder

Leonin Relic-Warder <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Cleric
When Leonin Relic-Warder enters the battlefield, you may exile target artifact or enchantment.
When Leonin Relic-Warder leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control.
2/2

[atomic harness]

loops animate dead for the burn?

[clever sun]

Raza can be the sacrifice outlet if you can find two ways to get Zulaport effect on-board like Blood Artist

otherwise, look for some other dork like Carrion Feeder or Viscera Seer

But

yes

[atomic harness]

tbh the pod has already been giving us the stink eye for thopsword for the most part

[clever sun]

You kill Relic-Warder

bring him back with Animate Dead

[atomic harness]

Oh but one guy is on oracle though (without consultation, but has a way to infinite draw)

[clever sun]

he targets Animate Dead

rinse and repeat

[clever sun]

They opened themselves up to combos like this

Imo

[atomic harness]

from what I remember I think outside of the stax guy everyone has one infinite

[glad peak]

If there’s stax in your games then infinites are fair game

[clever sun]

The reason you want multiple infinites to win the game with is because you want redundancy and the ability to layer your game

[glad peak]

It’s up to the stax guy to stop you

[clever sun]

Say they can stop Thopter Sword

it isn't super difficult to stop

[atomic harness]

Yeah I like playing with him because it just means I can play unga bunga

[clever sun]

especially compared to Dead Warder

[atomic harness]

Yeah I was uhh looking into silence

[clever sun]

But having two lines to go for helps you out a lot

[atomic harness]

since my fellow thopsword player is on that

[[silence]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m14/35/silence

Silence <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Your opponents can't cast spells this turn.
"Take a quiet moment to reflect on your sins." —Cleph, Order of Redeemed Souls

[clever sun]

If your main combo is stopped, you have back up

Silence is solid

Your deck at your power level will probably appreciate [[Myrel Shield of Argive]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/18/myrel-shield-of-argive

Myrel, Shield of Argive <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
During your turn, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments.
Whenever Myrel, Shield of Argive attacks, create X 1/1 colorless Soldier artifact creature tokens, where X is the number of Soldiers you control.
3/4

[glad peak]

Reminder that thopsword urza gives infinite tapped thopters

[clever sun]

[[Grand Abolisher]] is what you are looking for though

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https://scryfall.com/card/e01/12/grand-abolisher

Grand Abolisher <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
During your turn, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments.
"Your superstitions and mumblings are useless chaff before my righteousness."
2/2

[atomic harness]

yeah it's infinite life, infinite blue and infinite thopters

[glad peak]

It’s infinite life, 1 blue, and infinite tapped thopters

[atomic harness]

Ehh? dont you just tap the sword every time

so the thopters are untapped unless you want them to

[glad peak]

Oh right that works

Too used to bad thopsword players playing modern

[atomic harness]

in any case caster, is there anything I could add to support the aggro playstyle instead? that's usually how I prefer to do things

and it usually works outside of ppl having wipes so I'm looking into more counterspells

[glad peak]

Winter orb and rule of law

[clever sun]

Yep

Winter Orb in particular

[atomic harness]

[[winter orb]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as Winter Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[clever sun]

especially with Mono-Blue Urza

they can't aggro you if you stop them from untapping

[atomic harness]

oh thats a card and a half

[glad peak]

You basically break parity on rule of law by getting a construct each turn

[clever sun]

RoL effects are also gross

[atomic harness]

Yeah this one guy played rule of law and I just bashed ppl w constructs

[glad peak]

Silent arbiter to get unblockable constructs

[clever sun]

Eidolon of Rhetoric, Archon of Emeria

[atomic harness]

I kept him alive until the very end

[clever sun]

Rule of Laws play insanely well with counter magic

It is the theory behind [[Grand Arbiter Augustus]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv

Grand Arbiter Augustin IV <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
White spells you cast cost less to cast.
Blue spells you cast cost less to cast.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
The Arbiter is a conduit of justice, a will so disciplined that it dispenses justice without ego or remorse.
2/3

[glad peak]

I remember playing [[mana geyser]] with damping sphere

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https://scryfall.com/card/c21/176/mana-geyser

Mana Geyser <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Add for each tapped land your opponents control.
The Quicksilver Sea hissed and bubbled at the indignity. The Vulshok shaman just smiled.

[glad peak]

Wait not that one

[clever sun]

Mana Barbs?

[glad peak]

[[mana flare]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/me1/103/mana-flare

Mana Flare <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, that player adds one mana of any type that land produced.

[clever sun]

Flare

Right

[glad peak]

Have a dumb beater on an empty board, play flare + sphere, game’s locked

[atomic harness]

Yeah I want like more anti board wipe insurance pretty much

since thats what usually stops me from killing everyone

winter orb and more countermagic?

[glad peak]

Imagine playing stax instead of combo

[twilit canyon]

[[teferi's protection]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/32/teferis-protection

Teferi's Protection <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Until your next turn, your life total can't change and you gain protection from everything. All permanents you control phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. They phase in before you untap during your untap step.)
Exile Teferi's Protection.

[atomic harness]

OH yeah tef for sure

[twilit canyon]

in theory, [[march of swirling mist]] can save your stuff too

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/61/march-of-swirling-mist

March of Swirling Mist <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)

[glad peak]

Oh yeah play drannith magistrate

[atomic harness]

[[drannith magistrate]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate

Drannith Magistrate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Wizard
Your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hands.
"Our sanctuaries must be beacons of reason and calm or else they will fall."
1/3

[atomic harness]

oh but this doesnt stop hand wipes no?

Mist sounds nice

[glad peak]

This stops other commanders from being played

[atomic harness]

friends suggested [[swan song]] and [[an offer you cant refuse]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song

Swan Song <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target enchantment, instant, or sorcery spell. Its controller creates a 2/2 blue Bird creature token with flying.
"The most enlightened mages create beauty from violence." —Medomai the Ageless

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/51/an-offer-you-cant-refuse

An Offer You Can't Refuse <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell. Its controller creates two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Elspeth wanted answers. Xander needed a spy. Their paths were destined to cross.

[clever sun]

Swan Song good

Offer is not

Offer is good in extremely fast combo decks

Who are pushing a wincon out asap

[atomic harness]

Yeah not me unfort

Anything else outside of swan song? Usually the issue I found was I go wide but I have very few mana to actually protect myself outside of 1-2

[glad peak]

Negate

[atomic harness]

so smth like tef wouldnt save me

yeah I have negate

[atomic harness]

got screwed by a turn 6 eternal wanderer

[glad peak]

Disdainful stroke

[[tamiyo’s logbook]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/70/tamiyos-logbook

Tamiyo's Logbook <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
, : Draw a card. This ability costs less to activate for each other artifact you control.
"We are opening a new chapter in the one true story of Phyrexia. Someone must record it for posterity." —Tamiyo

[atomic harness]

I think it's more so like, I have those cards but I didnt see them

in that case should I still commit to being aggressive or be a bit more conservative to save some resources in case a wipe does come down

[glad peak]

You should definitely be more conservative with your mana

Don’t overextend unless you win that turn or the turn after and you have protection

[atomic harness]

alright that sounds fair
how about kill priority? usually when I'm "the threat" or the one that has the board
getting out aggroed is the least of my concern since urza always makes a fat blocker at end step

so do I punch the combo guy or the person who is likely to have a wipe?

[glad peak]

Combo

Getting killed is more threatening than losing your stuff

Mostly depends on situation though

[atomic harness]

Yeah because like if combo guy is far from assembling it
and I get wiped he actually gets more time to win

[glad peak]

Depends on the combo, a lot of them can win without setup

[atomic harness]

outside of swan song what other countermagic can I jam in here

I just looked through the 99 I only have 4

[clever sun]

Counterspell

Dispel

Delay

Mental Misstep is decent at times

[atomic harness]

Yeah delay sounds super nice

three turns is more than enough for me to actually bash ppl down i'd imagine

[clever sun]

Force of Will btw

[atomic harness]

Oh for sure but the price

Dispel is more so for winning counter wars, right?

[clever sun]

It stops a surprising number of cards

Ad Nauseam is stopped

almost all counter spells

It stops Cyclonic Rift

[atomic harness]

me and my homies do hate rift

[clever sun]

it stops a ton of removal

[atomic harness]

hmm how cope is this one

[[stubborn denial]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/56/stubborn-denial

Stubborn Denial <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell unless its controller pays .
Ferocious — If you control a creature with power 4 or greater, counter that spell instead.
The Temur have no patience for subtlety.

[clever sun]

And it is unconditional as lonh as it is stopping instants

Stub is fine in constructed

Good when you are ahead

Tough when you are behind

[atomic harness]

what about arcane denial? apparently it's super popular

that free draw two though

[[stoic rebuttal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/59/stoic-rebuttal

Stoic Rebuttal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Metalcraft — This spell costs less to cast if you control three or more artifacts.
Counter target spell.
Obsessed with the pursuit of knowledge above all else, vedalken can appear to be cold and emotionless.

[atomic harness]

counterspell at home

[clever sun]

Denial is fucking AWFUL

[atomic harness]

oh thats just for group hug cope then right

[clever sun]

Rebuttal is solid for you

[clever sun]

Yeah do not be fooled

Arcane Denial is really bad

The trade off is not worth it

[atomic harness]

it reads like

[clever sun]

Oh another Artifact counter

[atomic harness]

a bad an offer you cant refuse

[clever sun]

[[Metallic Rebuke]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/59/metallic-rebuke

Metallic Rebuke <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Too little, too late. The machine is in motion." —Tezzeret

[atomic harness]

oh this looks sick

[clever sun]

Yeah quite literally

Offer only gives treasure

And it is one mana

Denial is a river in Egypt

Denial draw is huge if the game is not immediately ending then and there

And it is two mana

harder to hold up

[atomic harness]

hmm how do you feel about spell pierce?

[clever sun]

Oh speaking of holding up

[atomic harness]

Oh sure go on

[clever sun]

[[Pact of Negation]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/77/pact-of-negation

Pact of Negation <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Instant
Counter target spell.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
Those who expect betrayal at every turn are seldom disappointed.

[atomic harness]

yeah I remember this

[clever sun]

Pierce is good in the same decks that Offer is

Oh [[Miscast]] is not a bad option too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/57/miscast

Miscast <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays .
"Next time, try something more appropriate for your skill level." —Barrin, Tolarian archmage

[atomic harness]

OH thats something I want actually yeah

sorceries or instants are the ones that screw me over

hmm I guess that begs the question then
how many counters should I be on in 99?

[clever sun]

The cEDH rule of thumb is not bad to go off of

[atomic harness]

I think I'll try 7-8 for now

not sure what to cut though

[clever sun]

17 pieces of interaction

between removal and counters

[atomic harness]

oh let me check my removal then

[clever sun]

I also personally only play like

Four to five pieces of removal itself

the rest are counters

for example for myself with Kess

[atomic harness]

Vindicate hasnt been all that great, but the other removals have been nice

[clever sun]

I have:
FoW
FoN
Dispel
Delay
Pact
Swan Song
Flusterstorm
Pyroblast
REB
Mental Misstep
Mana Drain
Offer

The removal spells I run are:
Toxic Deluge
Snap
Fire Covenant
Chain of Vapor
Alchemist's Retrieval

Kess is slightly unique in that she can do combos off Offer and off of Retrieval though

[atomic harness]

Oh I see, the copying

OH I FORGOT white sun, I literally have it

[[white sun's twilight]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/38/white-suns-twilight

White Sun's Twilight <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
You gain X life. Create X 1/1 colorless Phyrexian Mite artifact creature tokens with toxic 1 and "This creature can't block." If X is 5 or more, destroy all other creatures. (Players dealt combat damage by a creature with toxic 1 also get a poison counter.)

[atomic harness]

this has been super nice

got to wipe out the field, heal back up and have an army of mites
I even got corrupted going

[clever sun]

Nice not bad

Anyhow

I gotta go to sleep now

[atomic harness]

alright gn and thank you for the help!

gonna go look for the counterspells now

[clever sun]

But feel free to ping me for anything and I'll answer when I can

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

Oh I shouldve asked if mana tithe is actually good or is it meme

[fallow citrus]

in edh I think it's a meme

[atomic harness]

Mm yeah sounds about right

[twilit canyon]

mana tithe is a meme

[atomic harness]

Thanks kidge

[fallow citrus]

it's kind of a meme in constructed but at least it can be white pierce early

[low flicker]

It’s still weird to me that there’s a need to mention shuffling after you search

[hidden ermine]

Its an odd holdover

I think MaRo wants to remove it but its not happened so far

[copper pecan]

is there even any search effect that doesn't make you shuffle afterwards

[hidden ermine]

Technically yes, but also only technically

[[Doomsday]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/88/doomsday

Doomsday <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Search your library and graveyard for five cards and exile the rest. Put the chosen cards on top of your library in any order. You lose half your life, rounded up.

[copper pecan]

fuck this card

i remember reading an article by a pro player who was brought on to help make mh2, and he saw this was in the design file and literally the first piece of feedback he gave was that they should remove it

and he was totally right, this shouldn't be added to any formats it's not already in

[hidden ermine]

I like this card tbh

Also they did end up removing it didnt they?

[copper pecan]

yeah they did

[clever sun]

Doomsday is way too good in everything but Legacy

But I would be lying if I wasn't a bit disappointed in the lack of DD

[atomic harness]

Saga acquired caster
delay metallic rebuke and dispel are on the way via mail
LGS has uhh stoic and spell pierce

they also have swan song but I havent bitten the bullet yet

wanted to try and cope w spell pierce in the meantime

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been meaning to bite the bullet on Swan song

I keep coping on it getting reprinted

[sudden lava]

consultation?

[waxen timber]

Demonic Consultation.

[clever sun]

[[Demonic Consultation]]

[sudden lava]

oh, Kess in the 99

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/85/demonic-consultation

Demonic Consultation <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose a card name. Exile the top six cards of your library, then reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a card with the chosen name. Put that card into your hand and exile all other cards revealed this way.

[clever sun]

No???

Kess is my commander

[sudden lava]

rechecking the card, I thought it was mono blue XD

[clever sun]

She can win with four mana so long as she is in play and I have Consultation

Cast Consultation naming Thassa's Oracle

it finds Oracle

[sudden lava]

OH

I was thinking of the wrong card

[clever sun]

cast Oracle, flashback Consultation with Kess

[sudden lava]

[clever sun]

name whatever card is not in my library

deck is now exiled, Oracle and Kess win

[sudden lava]

I was thinking of praexor boi

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Jin-Gitaxias-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler.png

[clever sun]

Wha

Progress Tyrant can produce a similar effect tbf

But being Mono-Blue means he is not good

[sudden lava]

also no battle reveals yet

[rigid scarab]

Ah, I see we're going back to how we named Planeswalkers in 2010

[golden plover]

Time for another pithing needle situation

"I meant the Jin that limits my hand size"

[twilit canyon]

or the reasonable thing can be done and host tournaments on arena

no chance for angle shooting, no chance for cheating, no chance for messing up shuffling, pace of play is much better

[golden plover]

I mean, people like physical tournaments too, and formats like modern and pioneer aren't on arena

The current pro tour is pioneer, can't be played on arena

[twilit canyon]

physical tournaments are completely outdated though

and thats my point. modern and pioneer should be pushed to arena faster

[lusty trench]

Playing krark sakashima this deck is cracked

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/hovermyr/status/1627646281400086528?t=6gAcosUppRWptJ2Z_cjyoA&s=19

The Nahiri Defender (@hovermyr)

Breaking News: Ikoria team-up legend confirmed to be "Lurrus and Yorion". Rumored to be the first card who's Oracle text says it is pre-banned in all formats.

Likes

139

Twitter · Feb 20, 2023, 12:28 PM

[rigid scarab]

People just like the human interaction

This is giving big 'Humans are limited by flesh' vibes

[zinc shard]

The effect just takes every permanent with CMC 2 or less from your graveyard, exiles it, then returns it your battlefield at end step

[twilit canyon]

this might be worse than both depending on deck

[twilit canyon]

easily the worst part of paper magic by a long shot

[rigid scarab]

That's 100% subjective

My very best experiences in Magic have all been from the interactions I made on paper

[twilit canyon]

if you arent playing with a trusted friend group its always awful

[rigid scarab]

Fucking huh

I don't know your experiences but I've rarely had bad experiences playing with strangers on paper

[twilit canyon]

i take it u dont notice how women and lgbt+ groups are treated irl

[rigid scarab]

I see your point of contention in that

And I agree, I don't know or understand how women and lgbtq+ groups are treated IRL

Because I'm not that

And it sucks that, even with all the movements, Magic is still as it stands a straight white man's game

[twilit canyon]

right

theres a level of toxicity that i have experienced bc i am female presenting but before i was, i was still treated worse bc i farmed my lgs and some ppl couldnt handle "losing to a woman"

on top of many condescending comments about knowing rules or card interactions

its unpleasant

[golden plover]

I definitely can see that stuff making paper worse yeah. There's a guy at my lgs who any time one of the women there plays a card, he'll explain as many rulings and stuff about it to her

He even does it to his own girlfriend

A lot of us have gotten in the habit of cutting him off at least, but it definitely comes off as belittling

[twilit canyon]

its p much the same or worse everywhere

had a dude last week try and explain to me interactions with damage prevention

as i was playing burn

with skullcrack

like i didnt know

[rigid scarab]

I definitely do see your line of reasoning of wanting more events moved to Arena, then

And I respect it

[twilit canyon]

on top of my listed benefits already

being much harder to cheat or angle shoot is good

[glad peak]

Huh my area hasn’t had issues with that interestingly enough

If anything it’s people getting mad they lost to a kid (I’m not a kid but I played back then too)

[twilit canyon]

this is much harder to notice if you are not a woman

i played prior to transitioning and never got any of the hate i get now

[glad peak]

I mean, I go to lgs events with my gf time to time and she’s never had any of those interactions either

[copper pecan]

i stayed away from mtg for years because the people who played it at my lgs were some of the most obnoxious people i have ever met in my entire life

they would always be super rude to the yugioh players because the yugioh tournaments would happen before the mtg ones

and they constantly badger people during the final round to "hurry up so we can play a real game"

if arena wasn't a thing i'd probably never have picked up the game in the first place

[granite badge]

at my locals its not entirely dissimilar(lot of people have a hatred of yugioh here and belittle the people that do play it for the usual complaints of "omg its too fast and everyone just negates whatever you're trying to do") but my LGS's staff do a good job at stamping it out when it gets to a breaking point

I miss the days when our locals was consistently 20+ people ngl

[twilit canyon]

https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=41482&d=508261&f=LE

it begins

where were you when griselbrand was powercrept?

i was at home, brewing izzet decks when i heard

griselbrand is crept

i said, "no"

[sleek ferry]

Speaking of, what have I missed during phyrexia will be one meta

[twilit canyon]

nothing

just atraxa

ok i lied obs

mono-red and white are still insanely good

red is using solphim as the new card on the block

[sleek ferry]

Solphim?

[twilit canyon]

white is using nothing but some copies of skrelv's hive at times

[[solphim, dominus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/150/solphim-mayhem-dominus

Solphim, Mayhem Dominus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals double that damage to that player or permanent instead.
, Discard two cards: Put an indestructible counter on Solphim, Mayhem Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
5/4

[twilit canyon]

atraxa btw

good card

mono-white midrange is siding [[phyrexian vindicator]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/27/phyrexian-vindicator

Phyrexian Vindicator <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Flying
If damage would be dealt to Phyrexian Vindicator, prevent that damage. When damage is prevented this way, Phyrexian Vindicator deals that much damage to any other target.
"Behold your inevitable defeat." —Elesh Norn
5/5

[twilit canyon]

tyvar has breathed life into jund midrange in standard but all midrange is getting eaten by atraxa

toxic and poison wincon decks are a thing

but are mostly bad

except for selesnya toxic aggro

[sleek ferry]

Wait, what’s playing atraxa

[twilit canyon]

5c midrange

[sleek ferry]

Is 5c midrange some type of jodah deck also?

[twilit canyon]

no

it plays good cards

its midrange

generally playing a wide variety of card types to ensure atraxa value is massive

aiming for her to draw on average 4-5 cards

[sleek ferry]

How does 5c midrange not just die to mono red before being able to set up

[twilit canyon]

it does

thats why red and white aggro are both good

but vs every other midrange deck they win

[sleek ferry]

I see

[twilit canyon]

not that 5c doesnt has any way to stablize

atraxa is a 7/7 with vigilance and lifelink on top of every other keyword

so she can stablize a board state

[sleek ferry]

Does it matter if she dies as soon as she comes in? Or is the value she’s generating worth the trade off?

[twilit canyon]

shes drawing 4-5 cards sometimes 6

her death matters little

needs to be hard countered

[sleek ferry]

What are you hoping to highroll into? Titan of industry or better?

[fallow citrus]

you just atraxa into more value cards

some lists are the invoke justice ones that play sanctuary warden, portal etc

but others are midrange like misty says

where you just atraxa into goodstuff like bankbuster, edict, lili, fable/binding etc

[sleek ferry]

Sounds cancerous

I’ll wait till I fully move to get back into mtg full time

[fallow citrus]

interesting knowledge about battle cards

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/117lms9/mom_from_a_wizards_email_battle_cards_to_be_in/

[golden plover]

Sounding more and more like they could have just been double faced enchantments

But I guess we'll see

[twilit canyon]

yea but they didnt want them to be able to be removed

so its probable that there is more nuance

[golden plover]

I mean, you can still hit them with stuff like [[Assassin's Trophy]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/175/assassins-trophy

Assassin's Trophy <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Destroy target permanent an opponent controls. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
A power vacuum for the Azorius. A keepsake for Vraska.

[twilit canyon]

sure

but its not common type of catch-all removal

[golden plover]

Yeah true. It's probably for limited sake

[last glen]

There's a chance it's treated as a non-permanent, too

[golden plover]

True

[lusty trench]

Bro krark sakashima is nutty

[golden plover]

Definitely

[lusty trench]

The blue player tapped out so I went infinite lmao

[fallow citrus]

krark saka is cedh good for a reason

[lusty trench]

The person who designed tavern scoundrel to have it read 2 treasures is insane

[zinc shard]

Possible story spoiler, nothing confirmed tho

[copper pecan]

it's probably just a fullart card

like half of the variants of norn in one had this aspect ratio too

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been said Krark sakashima is one of the best cedh decks you can make

[twilit canyon]

far from the best

but its fun

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

what if this was a hint at what is to come

[sleek ferry]

Btw, I heard elspeth is likely just going to deus ex machina everything?

[atomic harness]

Tell em kidge

[twilit canyon]

doubt it

but she might be a key to solving a lot of issues

[sleek ferry]

[[moment of truth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/67/moment-of-truth

Moment of Truth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of those cards into your hand, one into your graveyard, and one on the bottom of your library.
On the precipice of eternity, Elspeth made a choice. The fight would not end without her.

[atomic harness]

thugs do I buy the swan song

[twilit canyon]

given that she seems to have awakened to full power

[golden plover]

I don't think Norn is gonna get a planeswalker card

[twilit canyon]

she is our first angel planeswalker

[sleek ferry]

How much you buying it for

[golden plover]

She's artificial, and artificial creatures can't have sparks

[atomic harness]

Uh secret lair tcgplayer mid

[sleek ferry]

If it’s a good deal I would get it

[twilit canyon]

there is still organic bits to norn

[golden plover]

(Ignoring Karn and Calyx)

[twilit canyon]

also could be she stole karn's spark

[golden plover]

It's way more likely she gets a wacky 5c superboss

[twilit canyon]

i dont think she gets a 5c card

[golden plover]

Honestly, MTG needs to pull more dumb ass superbosses yugioh has

Might not be 5c

[twilit canyon]

true

like actually

[golden plover]

But some form of wacky superboss would be fun

[twilit canyon]

ghalta and mavren are a decent 1st step

[sleek ferry]

Also, 0 Chance this leads to asking for bolas’ help right, since him and ugin would just get compleated

[atomic harness]

I thought new memenath was the wacky superboss

[golden plover]

Yugioh gets them all the time. They're not usually playable, but when the condition to play the card is insane, you can just put whatever on it as flavor text

[twilit canyon]

i actually think bolas and ugin would stomp the entirety of phyrexia alone

i think precisely why they wouldnt be involved super directly

elder dragons are at another level

[golden plover]

Make the new Norn like 12 CMC and have her be some wack shit like "your opponents can't cast spells"

[twilit canyon]

the praetors are getting mdfc

[golden plover]

True

[twilit canyon]

so front side has some ridiculous flip condition

into an insane back side

[golden plover]

Unfortunately magic prioritizes playability tho

That one card from the Jared precon had the perfect condition to prevent cheating out

[twilit canyon]

not true

[golden plover]

Or even Phage

[twilit canyon]

magic makes a billion unplayable cards every set

[golden plover]

Slap a phage effect on Norn and make her this dumbass megaboss

[twilit canyon]

that would be decently flavorful to hint at how she is defeated

[[chandra beacon of hope]]

[atomic harness]

Misty do I replace a meme tapped dual for the saga

[lost widget]

No card found for “chandra beacon of hope”

[twilit canyon]

was that what it was called?

[atomic harness]

hopes beacon yeah

[twilit canyon]

[[chandra hope's beacon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/134/chandra-hopes-beacon

Chandra, Hope's Beacon <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy. This ability triggers only once each turn.
+2: Add two mana in any combination of colors.
+1: Exile the top five cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may cast an instant or sorcery spell from among those exiled cards.
−X: Chandra, Hope's Beacon deals X damage to each of up to two targets.
Loyalty: 5

[golden plover]

I'd like to see it more in magic for characters that aren't supposed to be good

[twilit canyon]

u know tho

[sleek ferry]

Btw, why doesn’t my girl Kaya just kill a praetor, she’s already shown to be teferi level in terms of power, if not better

[golden plover]

I really love yugioh's wacky superbosses and they're really the only TCG with them

[atomic harness]

vorin escaped

[twilit canyon]

i bet u that this happens

[sleek ferry]

Barely

[twilit canyon]

in this set

kaya will kill a praetor

[atomic harness]

I can see it

[twilit canyon]

wanderer kills a praetor

chandra kills another

[atomic harness]

wanderer too she's mega busted

[golden plover]

Kaya is currently in praetor jail somehow

[twilit canyon]

and elspeth takes norn

[atomic harness]

[sleek ferry]

Kaya should kill sheoldred imo, but it only makes sense she finishes off vorinclex

[golden plover]

But I also bet they forget they did that

It was like 2 sentences at the end of the most recent story

They'll probably ignore it again

She's imprisoned by norn

[twilit canyon]

why imprisoned?

i guess compleating kaya might prove to be a challenge

[golden plover]

No clue

The story mentioned that Norn put Kaya in her porcelain cell

But they also ignored all of the Theros story and that Squee could die

[twilit canyon]

oh then we know how the downfall happens

theros story?

what story

[golden plover]

So they'll probably just ignore it for the sake of cards

[golden plover]

True, but we knew heliod was sentenced to the underworld

Also Heliod has his spear in the card art

[twilit canyon]

i can see it being the case that helios breaks free and immediately gets compleated

[golden plover]

Which he shouldn't have

[twilit canyon]

*heliod

[golden plover]

considering it's now the shadowspear

[twilit canyon]

he is a god

he can just make a new one

no the shadowspear was made from elspeth's memories

[golden plover]

Oh wait, his is Godsend

[twilit canyon]

his actual spear shattered when it clashed vs it

yes

[golden plover]

Either way, his spear is gone and squee can die

[twilit canyon]

godsend shattered upon fighting elspeth as she was escaping the underworld

[golden plover]

And the cards ignored that

Godsend is her mask now

[twilit canyon]

i think the resurrection effect now might be tied to slimefoot

i think slimefoot's weird resistance to phyrexian corruption might mean he can come back

dont forget they do need to kill something to return

needing to kill a saproling

and then "slimefoot" is bringing something else back

[golden plover]

I guess? But I think it's also supposed to be thematically squee

[twilit canyon]

that being squee

well yes it does fit

btw i realized the lack of immortality is displayed in the new cards

[golden plover]

In that the designers just stapled the effects of both together and Squee is "the immortal goblin"

[twilit canyon]

by having squee have effectively escape

and being unable to come back from exile

[golden plover]

Yeah, that's supposed to represent his meeting with his spirit

[twilit canyon]

yeah that part tracks

[golden plover]

I mean, also Yargle is in a card, which doesn't fit

Because Yargle is supposed to be dead dead

[twilit canyon]

the yargle thing i just assume is that yargle physically recovered a body again

[golden plover]

Maybe

But Jhoria went "oh he's dead dead"

I do think it's partially them mcuing all the stuff people like tbh

[twilit canyon]

well yes

that much is true

then again this is magic's 30th anniversary celebratory set

itd be a bit wrong to not have a ton of fanservice

[golden plover]

True

I just think it's cheesy as hell to literally staple thalia to gitrog and go "edh lmao"

[twilit canyon]

i can accept yargle barely recovering his body and multani just growing and shaping himself around yargle to absorb and grow their power

[twilit canyon]

i think its hilarious tbh

[golden plover]

But I can live with it if they handle this well

It's both funny and sorta unfortunate that the lore isn't being held up as much as it used to

I'm just worried the conclusion of the lore is gonna be "and it didn't really matter"

[twilit canyon]

i mean in the grand scheme of things

it wont

[golden plover]

Yeah true, but they could show the effects in neat ways from here

[twilit canyon]

this isnt the 1st time nor the last time the magic multiverse has faced invasions

and i already see how the status quo is being changed permanently with some of the reveals

ghalta and mavren means that our trip to ixalan will be very interesting

[golden plover]

A friend of mine suggested that it'd be cool if Phyresis was treated as a disease that "gatewatch" members were sent to stomp out from now on

Which would be neat

Like a planeswalker is sent to an unknown plane where phyresis is slowly spreading

[twilit canyon]

the trip to eldraine will be interesting

how will the kenrith twins deal with their parents dying and ayara being gone too?

that will be an interesting plot thread

[golden plover]

Eldraine will be really cool if this set doesn't jump the shark

[twilit canyon]

the lamest way this can end is not really that "and nothing ended up mattering" but rather

[copper pecan]

yargle and multani is the peak of game design

[golden plover]

I'm still a little bummed that the strixhaven plot was sorta dropped

[twilit canyon]

i think it would be way worse if this matter is referenced poorly in the future

[copper pecan]

18/6 is the optimal stat line

[golden plover]

Because the cards and lore implied a way more interesting strixhaven plotline

[copper pecan]

literally unparalleled power

[golden plover]

Kasmina trying to start an anti-gatewatch was cool

And you can't tell me [[Crackle with Power]] wasn't supposed to be way cooler

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/95/crackle-with-power

Crackle with Power <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Crackle with Power deals five times X damage to each of up to X targets.
Will gasped as Rowan drew from the raw power of the Strixhaven Snarl. For a moment, she was luminous, transcendent, terrible.

[twilit canyon]

i can actually see kasmina actually getting to a point where this invasion justifies her plot

and she becomes the next big bad

[golden plover]

Will gasped as Rowan drew from the raw power of the Strixhaven Snarl. For a moment, she was luminous, transcendent, terrible.
This really just reads as "She's turning Rowan against Will"

[twilit canyon]

"werent the gatewatch supposed to help? instead they allowed the phyrexians to spread throughout the multiverse"

[golden plover]

Especially with the art composition

[golden plover]

See I'd kill for that. What little lore we have about her sets her up to make the most logical sense for that

And having a new villain would be great

[twilit canyon]

i have a feeling since this is the most predictable outcome

that it is what we will be seeing

[golden plover]

I'm just worried it's gonna be Emrakul (again), Bolas (again again), or Lim Dul (again)

[twilit canyon]

ok actually tho

i will say

the conclusion will be a bit lame if chandra, teferi, wanderer, kaya, and elspeth are all it takes to defeat all the praetors

but i will also be disappointed if the phyrexians lose bc they realize they cant actually beat all these other worlds by themselves?

like i can imagine how their campaign in tarkir will go

it should end very badly

same with ravnica

i see little success for them in new capenna too

and kamigawa

part of me wants the praetors and the phyrexians here to be a huge threat to all

but another wants the realistic side of things where norn is being told "hey we are kind of getting our asses kicked ten ways from sunday in a bunch of planes" and norn going "nonsense this doesnt make sense!"

you know what though

[waxen timber]

I hate body horror stuff. I wouldn't mind if we got rid of pyhrexia in the near future

[twilit canyon]

at the very least, all this shit is at least feeling like a much better scope than war of the spark was

[golden plover]

I just want all the old villains to take a break

[golden plover]

But this too

Although ONE really dialed down the body horror

[twilit canyon]

phyrexians have a more unified design

thats true

they are not as much body horror for the sake of it

though there is still elements of it

and i love it

[golden plover]

MaRo said it's because it's not marketable

Which sorta sucks

That they can't market magic for the sake of magic

[twilit canyon]

also i do think itd be a good way to handle the future of the gatewatch

them hunting down phyresis

since it no longer is linked to any praetor it just mechanizes people and makes them go insane

[golden plover]

Yeah, it'd be a nice change of pace to focus on smaller scale stuff

Not every storyline needs to be mutliversal

[atomic harness]

Mail day

[twilit canyon]

epic

[zinc shard]

post pulls

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/bXsoZcoxICg

[twilit canyon]

yo

shadows over innistrad remastered

confirmed

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-february-20-2023

[atomic harness]

sick

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/Combat_Trix/status/1627791086210129920?t=HcfEOPykgoKN38MGAecvUw&s=19

Pump up the jam (@Combat_Trix)

Shaking, crying, throwing up

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[twilit canyon]

dies to doomblade

no etb

this is definitely not good enough for historic or pioneer

[copper pecan]

okay but have you considered

big dinosaur funni

[twilit canyon]

oh no i have

it will be really funny

[atomic harness]

Tell em misty

[last glen]

To be fair, intense body horror can be an active turn-off

not merely hard to market

[atomic harness]

New Phyrexia was a fun time

[sleek ferry]

You pulled a god damn ursa’s saga out of your set slot?

[lusty trench]

What are yalls thoughts on this?

[atomic harness]

Nah I bought it, thats just where he placed it

[twilit canyon]

quicksilver lapidary full combos with displacer kitten for infinite mana

[golden plover]

That Izzet card is gonna end up hilariously broken, no?

[twilit canyon]

yes

in historic only mind you but thats actually ok power level for the format now

[golden plover]

Etb create a mox opal is stupid as hell lmao

[twilit canyon]

idt it will be the best combo deck

[golden plover]

Even if it's not live at first, you just flicker it twice

[twilit canyon]

create a mopal to hand

is the best part

this actually gives legs to the value breach decks

[golden plover]

Oh that also adds to storm count and lets you get rid of extras

[twilit canyon]

hopefully ragavan is put into historic with the mom archive

[golden plover]

I'm expecting pre-banned

[twilit canyon]

nah

i hope not

[golden plover]

They pre-banned bolt and bauble

[twilit canyon]

historic is very similar to modern

yea but i think both cards should be legal now

format is ready for em

[golden plover]

Ayy very good reprint

[twilit canyon]

spawning pod is also really strong if only it wasnt seek

[golden plover]

Although it's also gonna be like a $200 reprint

[twilit canyon]

more printings is good still

very nice

[golden plover]

Also very good reprints

OH SHIT ELDRAZI PRECON

And 5c sliver one

The others are Abzan enchants and Jeskai walkers

[fallow citrus]

capture is actually an insane reprint

[golden plover]

Yeah capture is huge

Jeweled Lotus and Ur Dragon are very nice too

I assume this means we'll get the whole eminence cycle

So hopefully an Edgar reprint too

oh shit the Jeskai face card is Guff

He's the only one of the original crew who didn't have a card

[sleek ferry]

Wait we’re getting a new masters product?!

When

Also, make these commander precons $100 and pack them with actual good reprints

I’ll buy

[golden plover]

August

[golden plover]

They could easily be $40 with good reprints tbh

But I doubt they'll actually put good stuff in them

@lusty trench LMAAOO They really went "charging regular price for commander legends was a mistake"

"As a masters set, this set has reprints and all new cards"

So commander legends is the "cheap" commander set now and this one is the expensive good card set

[sleek ferry]

Well I’m being realistic here

If we want great reprints

Up the price

Commmander players will buy it if the reprints are good enough at $100

[sleek ferry]

People bought the warhammer decks and they weren’t even great (outside of the art being amazing)

Who the hell is that

[twilit canyon]

chandra and nissa

[golden plover]

It costs literally the same to reprint a $0.50 card as it does for a $200 one

Also $100 doesn't guarantee good reprints

The last $100 "precon" cut steam vents, crypt, and the fetches

[golden plover]

Wait fuck....

That means the cycle isn't all paper....

I didn't even see him first

[copper pecan]

is this even a cycle

it just seems like a reference

[fallow citrus]

kind of?

[golden plover]

It's a cycle, yeah

[fallow citrus]

vindicator and obliterator exist

[golden plover]

We've gotten 2 already

[fallow citrus]

so it could be a cycle if we had all 5

[golden plover]

This means the cycle is never gonna get finished in paper

That sucks

[copper pecan]

how does it mean that

[golden plover]

It's the red member

[copper pecan]

it's not like they can't ever make another one

[golden plover]

Unless they just ignore him and don't count him

[lusty trench]

Bruh

[glad peak]

They could’ve easily made the red one exile and choose one to play next turn and it would’ve fit

Or if they wanted to get funky, impulse draw all the damage

[golden plover]

Yeah there's plenty of ways to have kept the cycle in tact in paper

[lusty trench]

Capture is a huge reprint

[golden plover]

Sorta sucks they made him a random alchemy card and broke it

[golden plover]

Like $200 huge, yeah

Here's hoping for [[Riding the Dilu Horse]] to finish the cycle

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/131/riding-the-dilu-horse

Riding the Dilu Horse <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Target creature gets +2/+2 and gains horsemanship. (It can't be blocked except by creatures with horsemanship. This effect lasts indefinitely.)
"All men have their appointed time; that's something no horse can change." —Liu Bei, after being told that the Dilu brings its master ill fortune

[golden plover]

Since this one is also $200

[hidden ermine]

... wait why

[golden plover]

Only ever printed in p3k

[lusty trench]

Portals three kingdoms baybee

[hidden ermine]

I know its one of those one printing only ones

[lusty trench]

Even the shit cards are money

[golden plover]

Anything even remotely playable from the set is over $100

[hidden ermine]

But I swear actually good cards from that set were only 200$ last I checked

[golden plover]

The rest have been reprinted

[hidden ermine]

Other than one exactly

That was before the reprints iirc

[golden plover]

The commons are obviously commons prices

[lusty trench]

I'm happy imperial seal got reprinted cause that's the only p3k card I care about

[golden plover]

But all the rares that haven't seen a reprint yet are like $100+

It's the best one

But having all of them get reprints is huge

And another printing of Jeweled Lotus and Ur Dragon is nice

Hopefully that means Edgar too, but they hate finishing cycles

[glad peak]

People play it in some voltron lists because it makes their commander unblockable permanently

[golden plover]

Theyre gonna print Edgar into historic brawl only

[golden plover]

That too. it's not end of turn

It's a forever buff

[glad peak]

Also yeah because p3k is one hell of an underprinted set

[hidden ermine]

... oh its permanent

[golden plover]

Yup

[hidden ermine]

I didnt notice that

[golden plover]

P3K didn't do end of turn effects

[hidden ermine]

... huh?

[golden plover]

Technically P3K is a different game using similar rules to MTG

[hidden ermine]

Doesnt that make it harder for new players

[lusty trench]

Oh wait I also care about loyal retainers, I wonder when they're gonna reprint that

[golden plover]

But a lot of cards were changed with oracle text or prints

[lusty trench]

Surely they wouldn't absolutely kneecap it's reprint

[golden plover]

[[Loyal Retainers]]

[lusty trench]

Surely

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/20/loyal-retainers

Loyal Retainers <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Advisor
Sacrifice Loyal Retainers: Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only during your turn, before attackers are declared.
1/1

[golden plover]

I could have sworn it got one recently

[lusty trench]

It did

As a m30 LGS promo

[golden plover]

But that was the 30th anniversary "1 per LGS lmao" print

[lusty trench]

.

[golden plover]

It at least dropped it from a $100 to $60 card

But it's an uncommon, it could use a reprint

Surely they won't make it a mythic when they do

Yeah they'll make it a mythic and go "but the draft experience"

[lusty trench]

Oh wait I also care about warriors oath

Card is cheap af tho thanks to double masters

[lusty trench]

Yo is anyone able to name niche cantrips that are 1 (preferably) or two mana

Cards like impulse are good too

[copper pecan]

[[crash through]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/140/crash-through

Crash Through <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Creatures you control gain trample until end of turn. (A creature with trample can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
Draw a card.

[lusty trench]

Awesome ty

If y'all know if any more let me know, just using them in krark to dig for game

[golden plover]

There's always [[Consider]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/44/consider

Consider <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
Draw a card.
Ivold gasped in surprise. Either a very strange insect had crawled onto one of the lenses or he was seeing geists at last!

[golden plover]

And stuff like brainstorm, serum visions, and ponder

[fallow citrus]

[[opt]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/59/opt

Opt <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Scry 1.
Draw a card.
The crystal pulsed with the power of Teferi's Planeswalker spark. Had Jhoira given him a blessing or a curse?

[hidden ermine]

Uuuh

Hold on whats the name of that angel that copies everything cast on her

[fallow citrus]

[[ancestral anger]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/142/ancestral-anger

Ancestral Anger <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Target creature gains trample and gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is 1 plus the number of cards named Ancestral Anger in your graveyard.
Draw a card.
"One vampire for every family member I've lost."

[hidden ermine]

Ah right, Feather

You can look in a Feather deck for some of those

[[Expedite]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/413/expedite

Expedite <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature gains haste until end of turn.
Draw a card.
"I run, and thunder follows."

[hidden ermine]

[[Defiant Strike]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/15/defiant-strike

Defiant Strike <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Target creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Draw a card.
"My family was saved thanks to a single Boros soldier. It's why I joined the Legion. I will be the protector now."

[hidden ermine]

[[Shelter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/28/shelter

Shelter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Target creature you control gains protection from the color of your choice until end of turn.
Draw a card.
Good strategists seize opportunities. Great strategists make their own.

[fallow citrus]

[[cerulean wisps]] [[cloak of feathers]] [[crimson wisps]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/shm/31/cerulean-wisps

Cerulean Wisps <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature becomes blue until end of turn. Untap that creature.
Draw a card.
"If you see ghostly lights by the river, eat three twigs of marshroot to ward off kelpies." —Kithkin superstition

https://scryfall.com/card/por/44/cloak-of-feathers

Cloak of Feathers <:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target creature gains flying until end of turn.
Draw a card.
A thousand feathers from a thousand birds, sewn with magic and song.

https://scryfall.com/card/shm/88/crimson-wisps

Crimson Wisps <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature becomes red and gains haste until end of turn.
Draw a card.
The whispers are incomprehensible, yet cinders always hear a message of urgency.

[fallow citrus]

should ideally be blue or red if this is krarkashima

[hidden ermine]

Oh wait you need red dont you

[lusty trench]

Awesome thanks yall

[fallow citrus]

[[expedite]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/413/expedite

Expedite <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature gains haste until end of turn.
Draw a card.
"I run, and thunder follows."

[hidden ermine]

[[Fists of Flame]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/414/fists-of-flame

Fists of Flame <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Draw a card. Until end of turn, target creature gains trample and gets +1/+0 for each card you've drawn this turn.
"Fire has always been my most faithful companion." —Jared Carthalion

[hidden ermine]

Might be a funny finisher

[fallow citrus]

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=(oracle%3Adraw+oracle%3Aa+oracle%3Acard)+(type%3Ainstant+OR+type%3Asorcery)+commander%3AUR+cmc%3D1+legal%3Acommander

this should be every 1 cmc instant or sorcery that will cantrip you in izzet

[hidden ermine]

[[Renegade Tactics]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/195/renegade-tactics

Renegade Tactics <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Target creature can't block this turn.
Draw a card.
"Nothing against you. It's just that waiting for Consulate clearance was never really my thing."

[hidden ermine]

[[Rile]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/136/rile

Rile <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Rile deals 1 damage to target creature you control. That creature gains trample until end of turn.
Draw a card.
The enormous can still be at the mercy of the small.

[hidden ermine]

Theres also [[Blazing Crescendo]] which is an odd one

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/123/blazing-crescendo

Blazing Crescendo <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature gets +3/+1 until end of turn.
Exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
"They call themselves the Quiet Furnace? Ironic." —Tyvar

[hidden ermine]

Last suggestion I can think of is

[[Psychotic Fury]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/68/psychotic-fury

Psychotic Fury <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target multicolored creature gains double strike until end of turn.
Draw a card.
"Rage, my servants. Our ancient power is renewed in blood." —Rakdos

[hidden ermine]

Oh wait nvm its multicolored creatures only

[fallow citrus]

[[sorcerous sight]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/por/68/sorcerous-sight

Sorcerous Sight <:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Look at target opponent's hand.
Draw a card.
Do not react; anticipate.

[fallow citrus]

[[gitaxian probe]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/35/gitaxian-probe

Gitaxian Probe <:manaup:292901508780130305>

Sorcery
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Look at target player's hand.
Draw a card.
"My flesh holds no secrets, monster. The spirit of Mirrodin will fight on." —Vy Covalt, Mirran resistance

[fallow citrus]

basically the same card

[[thought scour]] and [[visions of beyond]] could be quite good too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/65/thought-scour

Thought Scour <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target player mills two cards.
Draw a card.
He had glimpsed the truth of the Multiverse. Now if only he could remember it.

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/81/visions-of-beyond

Visions of Beyond <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw a card. If a graveyard has twenty or more cards in it, draw three cards instead.
"The past is the foundation for all that exists in the present. We merely reconstruct what our ancestors have already discovered." —Sachimir, Sage of Memories

[fallow citrus]

mainly the latter if your commander game is going kinda wild

and then here is every 2 cmc izzet cantrip (hopefully)

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=(oracle%3Adraw+oracle%3Aa+oracle%3Acard)+(type%3Ainstant+OR+type%3Asorcery)+commander%3AUR+cmc%3D2+legal%3Acommander

[zinc shard]

Ability to select default basic lands

It's about time!

[lusty trench]

Thank you for this y'all, was looking through my lgs' draft junk box

Speaking of my lgs, they did pancakes for £1

[twilit canyon]

fr

they announced they would put this as a feature a bit ago

but now its fully implemented

[rigid scarab]

SURELY they reprint all the titans in the eldrazi precon

Right

[twilit canyon]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/on-june-23-experience-middle-earth-like-never-before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1077673514716381314/f4f5abcf-b630-422e-9619-7d924a36427a.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1077673561617080330/987495eb-10a1-4528-b1ac-cdcb84b53fc9.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1077673610765934712/37fc1ebc-1e61-4060-b1e5-1443b43bcc59.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1077673797894799430/7e4a3aa8-8c09-4bab-b665-991b1e7eac08.png

@clever sun

get ready to pog up

[hidden ermine]

Is it just me

Or is that art oddly low quality?

[twilit canyon]

looks slightly anime-ish while at the same time western

its different but i like it

[lusty trench]

I think that dwarf's (sorry I've never seen lord of the rings) helmet is a bit too high up

[clever sun]

YOOOOOO

[clever sun]

Gimli

[lusty trench]

Man wotc going for our wallets

[golden plover]

Something about the composition of this one really looks like a cheap render

Maybe it's the lighting, but it looks off?

[rigid scarab]

Thank god I didn't get into LOTR

[golden plover]

But if you're into modern or any eternal formats, you might have to be since it's basically MH3

[twilit canyon]

they mentioned it was gonna be a much lower power level

since they want to add it to historic

but they mentioned that when historic was a much weaker format

only barely above pioneer

historic now is more than ready for modern stuff

[zinc shard]

yup Dargons

[lusty trench]

I just realized that if the phyrexian invasions on some planes are successful they'll have access to a lot of wacky gadgets

[sudden lava]

oh Im just realizing, sliver precon 😮

and colorless

[zinc shard]

[lusty trench]

villain
Liliana
Post war

Bro can they write viven with literally any situational awareness

For god's sake Gideon gave up his life for her. Gideon "bastion of hope and goodness" Jura

Either way imagine they just let the phyrexians have not only the immortal sun but also the wild af eldrain artifacts