Magic the Gathering

[atomic harness]

I'm targeting urza's saga next

[languid quest]

shiny and curves easily

[sleek ferry]

Should have gotten a foil borderless force of will also

[atomic harness]

I'm not ready for that

[sleek ferry]

Understandable

[twilit canyon]

that is too much money for a card that wont be as helpful until higher power levels

[atomic harness]

You said it misty

[dapper jacinth]

Gonna be honest i was sad i didn't get the chance to go to the prerelease for the new set

Why was it the same time as the phhy sneak

I guess at least you can buy prerelease kits

Im glad the next mtg set releases before cyac sneak

[golden plover]

We've literally hit the "advertising products on cards" phase

https://i.imgur.com/I0NW700.jpg

Fucking Lovesac Valentine's day lair

Also this... Lovesac

For $1000

[fallow citrus]

tf is lovesac

[golden plover]

Couch sized beanbags

They're like moderately popular I guess?

I've never seen one outside of an Ikea

Who the fuck is the target audience of this?

It's like $8 worth of cards in the lair and an $1000 ugly ass beanbag

[dapper jacinth]

This is the same company who made a $1000 box of proxies

[golden plover]

Yeah, they keep stooping to new lows

People kept going "surely the won't make outright advetstiments as cards" (when the Walking Dead, Stranger Things, Transformers, etc were already that)

But this is one step above Raycon secret lairs

[lusty trench]

Bruh my current commander pod cannot threat assess

[golden plover]

Most can't

"You're 1 card off combo? I'm gonna attack the guy who has 5 life instead"

[lusty trench]

Nah it's just whenever I play a card it gets immediately answered

Then the combo players go infinite turns because people wasted their counterspells on like... Idk a semblance anvil (I had to revive that anvil 3 times and then they had no counters for my opponents expropriate)

[golden plover]

Classic

[lusty trench]

And you'll never guess what the other players (who had nothing but lands and shitty creatures) picked on the expropriate

[golden plover]

Gee I wonder

[clever sun]

What is wrong with this on Secret Lairs?

[lusty trench]

I think it's because it's less "bringing people the characters from franchises they love" and more "here have a bean bag Collab because they paid us". I personally don't care

[golden plover]

Yeah it's moreso "Pay $30 to advertise a fucking beanbag chair"

[languid quest]

those are also mainly there to appeal to collectors that are main customer base that they focus on these days

[golden plover]

Like at least with the other ads, there's fanbases that enjoy it

But no one is really a fan of a fucking beanbag enough for it to not feel like a cheap advertisement

[twilit canyon]

i think its pretty harmless a collab

very whatever type of deal

[golden plover]

I dunno, I think it's gross as hell for them to sell cards with literal ads on them

It'd be one thing if it didn't have the Lovesac with the tag on it front and center

But it comes off really cheap

[lusty trench]

Might make a copy deck, not sure what commanders actually work with that theme though

[golden plover]

Orvar

Classic copy your medallion and go infinite ez

[lusty trench]

Wanted to make it more like white green blue

[lusty trench]

Chulane maybe? But I don't want to get immediately hated out the game

[fallow citrus]

what do you want to do in bant?

[lusty trench]

It's mainly just that white and green have token doublers, so the copies I make can be doubles, quadrupled etc

[fallow citrus]

so you want a token copy strategy?

[lusty trench]

Yeah, copy my opponents stuff into tokens, make more of them

[fallow citrus]

I don't think there are any commanders that really facilitate that in bant

[golden plover]

Could always do jetmir in Naya

Not as much copying, but more go wide synergy

[lusty trench]

I think I'm just gonna make krark sakashima and then a separate token treasure deck

[atomic harness]

[zinc shard]

Ffffff

[atomic harness]

ouch

[zinc shard]

This limited formats actually pretty fun ngl

[zinc shard]

This gon be good

[atomic harness]

Nice

[hard orchid]

made a budget mtg commander deck. looking for thoughts and/or feedback on it. Been through several iterations of this deck.
https://scryfall.com/@thenobletheif/decks/fddb7aa3-cd22-4d4f-9dc5-bc0262ddc37e

[copper pecan]

these are fake

like really blatantly fake

look at the goblin bombardment art and tell me that wasn't ai generated

the bombardment and aristocrat arts literally have black bars across the top because they aren't the right aspect ratio for the card frame

also the beanbag chairs in the art of all of these don't look even a little bit like the actual product these are supposedly advertising

[atomic harness]

Are there other nice karnstruct tokens like these? (having the effect on them)

[fallow citrus]

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=oracleid%3Aee740c48-59cd-4fcc-b4a5-fe3dde1361d5+include%3Aextras&unique=prints

all of them are there

[atomic harness]

Thanks. I think I'll go get some MH2 ones then
I like the look of the BRO ones the most though, sword and shield conveying power and toughness

the c21 ones look weird

[fallow citrus]

the mh2 ones are the default ones on mtgo iirc

and yeah they're the best imo

[twilit canyon]

i think this might be the be all end all to midrange

at least in standard

[trail anvil]

my wildcard balance hurts just looking at this

[twilit canyon]

its not an awful amount of wildcards if u have been keeping up with standard mana bases

5 new mythics, 2 of which are replaceable tbh cus nissa is nice but shes not the best ever

1 new rare

[trail anvil]

I've only been keeping up with esper and half of grixis

on the bright side I think I might be able to invest in monowhite

[twilit canyon]

just a casual draw 5

[atomic harness]

how has the new wanderer been

[strong quartz]

Why is Bank buster a staple now

[twilit canyon]

shes been ok in standard

[twilit canyon]

always was

midrange glue

[atomic harness]

draw power and chonk

[twilit canyon]

yea basically

can block trespasser

[twilit canyon]

anyhow in my practice in limited

she is entirely unbeatable

there is almost 0 chance you ever lose if you draw her

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

and can cast her

[atomic harness]

which ability do u usually go for first

[twilit canyon]

the board state she puts you in after her - is way too good in your favor

it depends

if i have an etb worth +ing for you do that

if you need the bodied

*bodies

0

its rare to 0 first tho

her - is nuts

actually

[atomic harness]

oh so usually the blink or the wipe yeah

then you protect her so she can plus?

[twilit canyon]

i might do -1 nissa and +1 eternal wanderer

nissa is nice to grind with but wanderer has moments where she just destroys the opponents will to live instantly

especially seeing her come down after atraxa draws you 4-6 cards

[atomic harness]

How's meathook for edh?

[hard orchid]

strong

[twilit canyon]

meathook is good for edh

its 1 of the reasons it skyrocketed in price initially

standard meta defining + edh sacrifice staple?

massive price tag

[hard orchid]

i never really got any responses on this deck, so i thought i'd post again
https://scryfall.com/@thenobletheif/decks/fddb7aa3-cd22-4d4f-9dc5-bc0262ddc37e

[atomic harness]

I've been thinking about it and urza's saga as the pickups to go for

[twilit canyon]

saga for sure

[twilit canyon]

i dont really do budget or casual edh

i can recommend some casual bare minimum

but otherwise i play cedh

[hard orchid]

sure, hit me with your recomendations

[twilit canyon]

i havent checked the price in a while but

[[mechanized warfare]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/139/mechanized-warfare

Mechanized Warfare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If a red or artifact source you control would deal damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 1 instead.
First the automatons reinforced depleted squads. Then they replaced them entirely.

[hard orchid]

interesting...

[twilit canyon]

[[kumano faces kakkazhan]] is a solid card too

[lost widget]

No card found for “kumano faces kakkazhan”

[twilit canyon]

wtf was it called

[[kumano faces kakkazan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/152/kumano-faces-kakkazan-etching-of-kumano

Kumano Faces Kakkazan <:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Kumano Faces Kakkazan deals 1 damage to each opponent and each planeswalker they control.
II — When you cast your next creature spell this turn, that creature enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Etching of Kumano
Enchantment Creature — Human Shaman
Haste
If a creature dealt damage this turn by a source you controlled would die, exile it instead.
Many kami came to demand a secret he did not know, and every one of them fell.
2/2

[hard orchid]

no fuzzy search i guess

[twilit canyon]

scryfall used to do so idk what changed

[hard orchid]

kumano is good, but i'm not sure how useful it is for what my deck is trying to do

[twilit canyon]

flickering kumano is decent at putting up damage and then buffing future creatures

and the back side means anything that dies from the opponents is exiled

nice little bundle of effects

with enough enchantments you can also run [[roadside reliquary]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/272/roadside-reliquary

Roadside Reliquary

Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice Roadside Reliquary: Draw a card if you control an artifact. Draw a card if you control an enchantment.
Travelers who leave an offering may pass freely through the forest kami's domain.

[twilit canyon]

insanely good card

[hard orchid]

i don't think i've got enough enchantments for reliquary

[twilit canyon]

yeah hence recommending some enchantments

[hard orchid]

i've only got 6 enchantments, including anax

[twilit canyon]

oh and as always i recommend [[eidolon of the great revel]] to any and all red decks

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/128/eidolon-of-the-great-revel

Eidolon of the Great Revel <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Whenever a player casts a spell with mana value 3 or less, Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to that player.
Xenagos reveled while Theros burned.
2/2

[hard orchid]

nah that's like 10$ way out of my price point, sadly

i think kumano is not for me

not enough synergy with the deck

[twilit canyon]

thats kind of my issue with recommending cards for edh

my other recommendations are +10 or so

[[blood moon]] being one

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon

Blood Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
Heavy light flooded across the landscape, cloaking everything in deep crimson.

[hard orchid]

mmm

[twilit canyon]

[[$stranglehold]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cma/87/stranglehold

Prices for Stranglehold

Judge Gift Cards 2022

$10.53

Commander Anthology

$9.64 • €10.19

Commander 2011

$8.85 • €8.00 • 1.17 TIX

[twilit canyon]

also 10$

[[$cemetery gatekeeper]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/148/cemetery-gatekeeper

Prices for Cemetery Gatekeeper

Innistrad: Double Feature

$2.67 • €5.49 • 4.00 TIX

Innistrad: Crimson Vow Promos

$2.96 • €9.50

Innistrad: Crimson Vow

$1.99 • €4.14 • 0.58 TIX

Innistrad: Crimson Vow

$1.67 • €3.00

[twilit canyon]

oh cool

[hard orchid]

then how about this question instead:

[twilit canyon]

gravekeeper aint too bad

[hard orchid]

what are cards you think are suboptimal in this deck

[twilit canyon]

gravekeeper is like budget eidolon with some grave hate attached

frankly, a ton

from a cedh perspective, there are a ton of ways to imrpove this

you can get way way more mana quickly

mox amber, mox opal, jeweled lotus, lotus petal, sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault

you have the artifact density then to push delina out turn 1

and from there, [[worldgorger dragon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/154/worldgorger-dragon

Worldgorger Dragon <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Nightmare Dragon
Flying, trample
When Worldgorger Dragon enters the battlefield, exile all other permanents you control.
When Worldgorger Dragon leaves the battlefield, return the exiled cards to the battlefield under their owners' control.
7/7

[hard orchid]

i think you are misunderstanding my question

what are cards you would sugest cutting*

[twilit canyon]

if this is casual nothing cus i genuinely dont think it matters much what you play in a casual setting

play your faves

is what i say

[hard orchid]

appreciated, but not very helpful, sadly

[twilit canyon]

there are some new cards that are some kind of upgrade to some existing cards like the new city leveler iirc?

its just better than meteor golem

[[cityscape leveler]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/233/cityscape-leveler

Cityscape Leveler <:mana8:292901508830330880>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Trample
When you cast this spell and whenever Cityscape Leveler attacks, destroy up to one target nonland permanent. Its controller creates a tapped Powerstone token.
Unearth
8/8

[twilit canyon]

its a cast trigger

but that makes it infinitely harder to stop

[hard orchid]

being a cast trigger makes it worse than meteor golem

[twilit canyon]

somewhat

[hard orchid]

since i can't clone/flicker it with delina

also 8 mana is a lot

[twilit canyon]

hhmm

[[cloudstone curio]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rav/257/cloudstone-curio

Cloudstone Curio <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever a nonartifact permanent enters the battlefield under your control, you may return another permanent you control that shares a permanent type with it to its owner's hand.
It wants to remain a mystery, banishing the curious in favor of less inquisitive company.

[twilit canyon]

card is expensive as hell

[hard orchid]

indeed

[twilit canyon]

but it can combo with delina and wgd

and dockside with enough artifacts on the opponents sides

[hard orchid]

sure, but dockside is another high cost card

[atomic harness]

oh since ur here misty are the any other big boy cards outside of saga I should get

[twilit canyon]

@atomic harness foe your list? mana

*for

hallowed fountain, watery grave, godless shrine, morphic pool, vault of champions, sea of clouds, city of brass, exotic orchard, forbidden orchard, mana confluence, reflecting pool,

for your deck, spire of industry too

[atomic harness]

Let me check since I think I have some of those now

[[reflecting pool]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/358/reflecting-pool

Reflecting Pool

Land
: Add one mana of any type that a land you control could produce.
Gale stared into the pool and saw a stranger. The similarities were uncanny, but it was not him.

[atomic harness]

oh just these three then

for some reason sea was the cheapest of the battlebonds

[twilit canyon]

yea these are good

u want many rainbow lands and duals

ig for ur power level raffines tower is fine too

[atomic harness]

i'll go get glimmervoid too

[glad peak]

So turns out limitless is very easy to implement in irl play as a budget format that would also need a ton of bans

Obvious bans are chancellor of the dross, glistener elf, and pact of the titan (yes I know it sounds weird but trust me, pact+angel’s grace is actually oppressive)

[fallow citrus]

[[chancellor of the dross]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/nph/54/chancellor-of-the-dross

Chancellor of the Dross <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Vampire
You may reveal this card from your opening hand. If you do, at the beginning of the first upkeep, each opponent loses 3 life, then you gain life equal to the life lost this way.
Flying, lifelink
6/6

[fallow citrus]

ahh

[[pact of the titan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/179/pact-of-the-titan

Pact of the Titan <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Instant
Create a 4/4 red Giant creature token.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
Born of fire, destined for battle.

[glad peak]

Dross actually has counterplay which has counterplay which leads to memnite vs bigger membites but that’s kind of hard to justify wanting

[atomic harness]

memnite

[fallow citrus]

how come glistener elf specifically

[glad peak]

Titan grace is actually memnite beatdown + combo kill lol

[atomic harness]

Also Mud I checked the artifact lands I'm only missing treasure vault and this weird colorless creature land one that starts tapped

[glad peak]

1 mana infect creature in a format where interaction is either UB control where you play outside of limitless rules (1-4 cards is good enough) or lantern control is kind of busted

Too much 0 mana pump

[fallow citrus]

oh sure

[glad peak]

The red ripple spell probably has to go too since the only counterplay is angel’s grace

Best part is, you can play this format with 1 of each copy and a bunch of basic lands

Or straight up buy the cards since they’re usually cheap

[trail anvil]

I thought this sealed pool in the MWM wasn't amazing but man this actually worked so well

my rares weren't amazing but I got a ton of fantastic removal to make way for my bombs

[trail anvil]

also man monowhite farms the shit out of jund, they actually just do not have enough answers for all of your threats and fall behind in advantage insanely quick

[twilit canyon]

yes white is powerful as hell

[atomic harness]

@clever sun we're gonna play edh again tomorrow

the super combo guy is bringing back thassa's oracle guess I gotta kill him first huh

also finally getting kappa cannoneer

(I normally do that anyway, so what's new huh)

[rigid scarab]

How good are golden packs for F2P players?

It's still just a pack, right?

Just a slightly better one

[fallow citrus]

yeah

it's pretty good but still not great

[zinc shard]

they're pretty good

you get 6 rares/mythics from standard legal sets

[dense berry]

my edh deck

[clever sun]

Yep

[clever sun]

They significantly reduce the number of packs needed to collect entire sets on arena

If you are F2P, they speed up your progression and collection fast

If you spend even a little on packs, they speed you up even faster

If you are a whale like me, it makes arena significantly cheaper

[rigid scarab]

Regisaur Alpha with Marauding Raptor on the field is

Oh its so good

[rigid scarab]

CEDH detected

[last glen]

Yo dinosaurs?

Let's go?

[rigid scarab]

13 damage on board turn 4

1 mana 7/6

I mean what more could a man ask for

[dense berry]

ya its been tearing up competitive pods

its Breya Bomberman Breach Blue Farm

[glad peak]

To have killed or have gotten a lock turn 4

[rigid scarab]

Ok listen

You can thoughtseize three times or get a 7/6 flying vigilance on board

But can you say you did it with cool as fuck dinosaurs

[glad peak]

I’d argue triple thoughtseize or a 7/6 flying vigilance is much cooler than dinosaurs

[last glen]

Do we play the new Phyrrxian Tyrranax Rex in Dinosaur tribal

[trail anvil]

tfw you pump out tokens bigger than any tolarian terror

[fallow citrus]

man I am bored of mono red aggro but I need packs

[trail anvil]

try gruul, mono red with a little bit of spice

[fallow citrus]

I have like no wildcards

[trail anvil]

do you have feldon?

this was my shitty brew with what I already had from monored + a few other lucky pulls

[fallow citrus]

I do not

[trail anvil]

F

[glad peak]

Migloz has vastly over performed in modern, play him

[twilit canyon]

selesnya toxic is super real

[copper pecan]

good

spicy new hypothetical discourse: does proliferating a poison counter count as burn

[twilit canyon]

eh

no

but yea bo1 standard is currently peak

so weird how much more playable it is

[lusty trench]

Yes but no? Idk it's odd but it has the burn mindset

[fallow citrus]

no it isn't burn

and I've played against this rotpriest deck twice now it's annoying me

not a selesnya one though

[lusty trench]

Rot priest is a super nice card but I'd never play it cause I don't want people complaining about alt win cons

[fallow citrus]

it's just annoying because mono red just has to outpace it and I've opened dog hands twice now

and tamiyo's protection is a really good card against red

[lusty trench]

Tfw the counter to rotpriest is in rotpriests colours

why wotc

[fallow citrus]

man

can I just like

open a good hand

every deck is just beating me in every way today

that's enough magic for me today

[twilit canyon]

mono-white wrecks the rotpriest decks well

[trail anvil]

I think I'm playing the wrong decks but it feels kinda rock paper scissors to me

mono blue preys on midrange, aggro preys on monoblue, midrange preys on aggro

[twilit canyon]

its rps yea but it feels way easier to play various decks rn

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9aaN6pOFRs&ab_channel=ElderDragonHijinks

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/StarCityBen/status/1626204511814709248?t=j0yFRgKaAlNezxN29dIohA&s=19

Ben Bleiweiss (@StarCityBen)

When the top minds in Legacy are telling you that Atraxa is better than Griselbrand in Reanimator, you'd do well to listen.

#MTG

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Twitter · Feb 16, 2023, 12:59 PM

atraxa 🧹 sweep 🧹

atraxa slowly taking over every format

[dense berry]

if you can afford 14 cards you just always get more than atraxa

of course sometimes you will be able to afford only 7 or in some worst case scenarios none

vigilance is big here too

[twilit canyon]

reanimate drains 7 plus fetches and opponents and atraxa can pitch for force of will and negation and vigor

and respecting bolt

[dense berry]

atraxa can attack and gain 7 same as gris but she also blocks for 7 more

[twilit canyon]

yea she has proven to be better than griselbrand

[dense berry]

21 point life swing is big

[hidden ermine]

Not sure I buy it tbh

[twilit canyon]

cus ur not good at magic

[hidden ermine]

Isnt the best version of reanimator B/R?

[twilit canyon]

reanimator hasnt been able to afford to be pure rb for a long time now

[hidden ermine]

If youre gonna run blue and green and dilute your unmask odds, feels like you might as well go Sneak and Show or Doomsday

[twilit canyon]

why green

white is better

[hidden ermine]

Isnt Vigor a green card?

[twilit canyon]

and atraxa fixes all those issues

[hidden ermine]

Oh and Grief too

[twilit canyon]

yea reanimator splashes white tho

and blue

[golden plover]

Stacked pre-release kit

[twilit canyon]

atraxa helps pitch for force of will and negation, grief and unmask

and solitude

[lusty trench]

Elesh and mycosynth

Big win

[hidden ermine]

The only two recent tops at a reasonably competitive level I can find from reanimator are B/W reanimator using initiative cards from God of Legacy, and standard B/R reanimator from that mana trader series

[twilit canyon]

i find it funny how elesh has found no home in standard or pioneer but modern elemental midrange is eating her up

[golden plover]

Got a regular dice but I can't complain

[hidden ermine]

I dont think a U/B/x reanimator has topped anything recently

[lusty trench]

I'm watching all my friends add elesh to their decks

For some of them I understand like flicker, it's another panharmonicon

[golden plover]

I'll probably sell her before she drops

[hidden ermine]

Though Legacy has the usual issues of

"Not a lot of tournaments around"

[lusty trench]

But some of it is just confusing

[twilit canyon]

thats true yes legacy isnt a very played format

but i trust ben's opinion on legacy cards since hes been with the format and in magic for 20 years

[lusty trench]

I can't believe I thought she was mid

Huge oversight on my part

[twilit canyon]

atraxa 5c midrange taking over midrange lists in standard

[lusty trench]

Oh well I play edh and am not slotting her in anything so

[twilit canyon]

atraxa piles in pioneer

[hidden ermine]

What I have heard though is that Atraxa does indeed show up in Show and Tell decks

[fallow citrus]

yeah atraxa seems to have been very underrated and I can't say I wasn't guilty of that myself

[twilit canyon]

atraxa in modern

atraxa in legacy

[hidden ermine]

Nat Order too

[glad peak]

We told you she was good

[twilit canyon]

nat order and snt are worse than reanimator

[lusty trench]

I didn't believe y'all, but digging ten and drawing 5 on an etb is cracked

[glad peak]

Ok we didn’t think she would be quite THIS good but still

[hidden ermine]

Probably are, but Atraxa actually has a clear upside in those decks since she does pitch for colours those decks play

[twilit canyon]

same with reanimator now

[hidden ermine]

Reanimator would have to change drastically to be able to play FoW and Endurance/Force of Vigor

[fallow citrus]

I think a lot of people just thought about atraxa and then put it away in their minds

[hidden ermine]

And in doing so you make your Grief and Unmask much less consistent

Im not convinced that version of Reanimator is better

[fallow citrus]

but the card is just so huge

[twilit canyon]

reanimator doesnt has to change much to run fow

it also doesnt make grief squared worse too

adding 4x atraxa covers 4 blue cards to pitch already

[fallow citrus]

I mean if you want to hear good thoughts about the card in legacy
https://youtu.be/N8Jjk6EhYzk?t=245 watch from the timestamp

[twilit canyon]

and doesnt detract from black

[hidden ermine]

It does, since you wanna have a pretty consistent FoW online to justify playing the playset and not have it end up dead

Blue/Black cutting Unmask entirely and reduced Grief to 2?

[glad peak]

You can run 4 fow and 4 of the pitch redirect spells also

[hidden ermine]

I guess

[twilit canyon]

why do you cut grief and unmask

[hidden ermine]

Thats that Andrea Mengucci did

Or ... whoever the decklist made

Makes sense though

Youre running 12 mono-U cards, your odds of hitting the discard get lower, and as far as cards to cut go, they'd be the first

Odds of hitting the pitch, rather

And I definitely dont think you can cut any of the blue cards if you wanna justify FoW

[zinc shard]

guess ill die

nvm we found removal we good

[atomic harness]

Did alright today!

I defo need to look into more card draw and anti-wipes

Won in a smaller pod but it's a lot tougher in bigger pods

Had fun though!

[atomic harness]

Unctus was real nice @fallow citrus

[fallow citrus]

pog

did you milk it for value

[rigid scarab]

I won a DMR Collector Booster pack today

I joked that pulling a Sylvan Library would help my deck out a lot

And then I pulled it

And then I pulled Entomb

And then I pulled Variant Force of Will

Did I win Magic

[lusty trench]

Jesus

You did indeed

[rigid scarab]

I won Magic!

[lusty trench]

Remember though, the house always wins in the end

[rigid scarab]

Just missed out on 7 wins in Midnight Hunt Draft

I read a combat trick in the opponents hand when it was just 2 creatures

[glad peak]

Imagine playing around things when you can just shotgun

[golden plover]

So they're going all in on numbered cards now

These are being passed out at MagicCon Philly

This was totally the bonus card from that recent lair before they changed it to this tho

It's the exact same style as the others and fits the theme

At least it's Shivan Dragon and not like a playable card

[copper pecan]

is this supposed to be a bad thing

what's the problem with serialized cards

[golden plover]

It's not necessarily bad on it's own when there's other printings

[copper pecan]

as long as there are non serialized versions this affects literally nothing

[golden plover]

It's just them going all in on ultra collectible versions

This art won't get a non serial print unfortunately

[copper pecan]

i don't think there being super rare alt arts is at all a problem

[golden plover]

Not usually, yeah. Sometimes it sucks when a card really needs a reprint tho. At least Shivan Dragon doesn't

[rigid scarab]

Honestly who asked for it

I really don't think avid Shivan Dragon enjoyers were begging for another variant

[golden plover]

It's just for the investor bros

That's who all these ultra hard to find variants are for

Some collectors and the guys who buy these to speculate on

[atomic harness]

@clever sun hii karn living legacy was unironically great yesterday

nobody cared about it because it was such a non threat, I was pretty screwed on lands after keeping my 3 and a rock, but the powerstones helped me stay in the game

[clever sun]

[atomic harness]

Edh yesterday was interesting

Had 1 win 1 loss 1 draw (killed two ppl then we had to pack up since we hit the store's closing time, had an interesting 4-man end game)
This deck is definitely not for bigger pods

I legit didnt aggro for 20 turns, only ramped with karn living legacy and made myself a non threat

The win was in duel, my lands were pretty messed up but
I had an extremely aggressive opening of vault skirge foundry inspector chief of the foundry cranial master of etherium etc so I just kept hitting in the face

Loss was really bad, we got hit with a super early ultimatum that wiped everything, was left with nothing

I need more countermagic that only costs U
looking into swan song and an offer you cant refuse right now

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1627359869756968976

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

The #MTGMachine First Look starts in 🚨 one hour :🚨 on the #MCPhilly Main stage! Look for our tweets of everything revealed and discussed. We'll have the VOD up on YouTube later today!

Twitter · Feb 19, 2023, 5:30 PM

[lusty trench]

Thalia on gitrog at mythic

It's a creature too

God damn

[golden plover]

There's 1000 cards in the set????

What the fuck

Sick art tho

[golden plover]

It's not Gitrog. It's Grolnok

Gitrog has a different body shape

[lusty trench]

Can't be grolnok

He's missing the eye thingys

It's definitely gitrog

Alchemy cards non canon confirmed?

[golden plover]

I kinda assumed that unless otherwise stated they already were

Most are slush art as is

But 1000 cards in MOM is wack

What the hell

[granite badge]

1000??????????

[golden plover]

4 digits in Thalia's set number

Note that most "big" sets have 200ish cards

[granite badge]

yeah

[last glen]

that's a lot of cards

Are you sure they're not counting repeats like alt arts?

[golden plover]

There's no way this set is 4x bigger than average

[last glen]

Or maybe it's a novelty number

[golden plover]

Collectors numbers do include alternate arts

But even then, the only set that's even came close was 900ish and that was a 300 card set and nearly everything had an alt art (the DnD alts and whatnot), and the the commander decks adding 400

Because the set didn't use a different set code for the commander decks

MoM very likely will us a different set code, meaning 1000 in the set set

Oh yeah MoM commander uses a different symbol

So that's 1000 cards not counting them

[lusty trench]

So this is apparently called an "event set" where the set revolves around a central event...

so just a regular set then wtf wotc

[golden plover]

No you see this time it's an event because.... Umm

[lusty trench]

If you had to guess

What basic land type is this

Or this

FUCK MY WALLET

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1076935169770000414/FpWZ-Y0XwAAoTry.png?width=1178&height=662

this is the opposite of an island

[lusty trench]

These lands are all nice art, but they're not basics at all wtf

[fallow citrus]

why aren't they

[lusty trench]

Because if I look across the table

And I see this

I'm sure as shit not going to think it's a swamp

[fallow citrus]

see that surrounded by the basic land border, put along with all the other basic lands?

[golden plover]

I'm assuming dfcs then?

Unless there's over 1000 cards because characters are getting 2/3 each

[hidden ermine]

Any news on battles?

[lusty trench]

The border shouldn't be an excuse for the art

[fallow citrus]

I'm sorry but

[golden plover]

Dfcs confirmed

[copper pecan]

[[smitten swordsmaster]] in shambles

[lost widget]

No card found for “smitten swordsmaster”

[fallow citrus]

there are so many other basic lands that look insane

it's not suddenly an issue now

[lusty trench]

Yeah I'm not trying to say it's suddenly an issue now

I'm just saying I do not like them

[fallow citrus]

can't say I understand tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden plover]

Jin seems really meh

[lusty trench]

I like him

7 or more cards in hand is a rough condition tho

[fallow citrus]

holy

[golden plover]

Yeah that effectively confirms 1000 cards

Because that means there's 100 white cards

Jesus this set is too big

[fallow citrus]

I mean tbf

this set does kind of have to capture like

dozens of planes with more than one card between them

[last glen]

how many cards in a pack

how many packs in a box

[golden plover]

Yeah but 1000 cards is absurd

The biggest we've had is 260ish

This is 4x bigger

[last glen]

maybe it's functionally multiple sets

but all under the same name and set code?

[golden plover]

Should've been split into them then

[lusty trench]

Singles prices on these is gonna hurt

[fallow citrus]

man

if they split this set people would have complained too

no point in thinking too hard about it imo

[lusty trench]

I'm just upsetti cause bigger set means harder to pull the best cards means more expensive singles

[golden plover]

Id rather have had more sets in the invasion as an arc than one massive set

Yeah, it's also gonna screw with singles prices

[last glen]

maybe there will be four times as many cards per pack to compensate

[golden plover]

Nah, that'd be generous

They wouldn't do that

[fallow citrus]

what a completely unexpected twist, nobody saw this coming.

[golden plover]

Wow you mean to tell me she didn't die? Whodve guessed

[fallow citrus]

I am going to say these will be the battle cards

or some of them at least

[last glen]

damn you really have to choose to die in MTG lore

[golden plover]

Probably all of them based on the naming scheme

[last glen]

girl really said "nah I'll die another time"

"the big game is on tonight"

[fallow citrus]

oh I just meant like these will be "some of" the battles not all of them

[lusty trench]

Bro wtf this is super cool

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, they're probably a cycle

[last glen]

that looks like a card that will not frustrate anyone

[hidden ermine]

Ok now I wonder

Is this where magic jumps the shark?

Or can they pull it off

[golden plover]

I'm really thinking it will

It'll be really hard to make this megaset and story compelling and not mess up the future stuff

Considering what little we've seen of Eldraine was normal, I'd assume this set ends with "and the status quo is fixed! Yay!"

[lusty trench]

Honestly if the cards are as cool as Jin and drana and linvala

I'm cool with it

[last glen]

it will likely normalize "plane crossovers"
for better or for worse

[fallow citrus]

YARGLE

[hidden ermine]

I dont have an issue with plane crossovers

Its the scale that worries me

[last glen]

okay but where are my dinosaurs

[hidden ermine]

And how it really didnt have that much buildup?

[last glen]

yeah the pacing has felt pretty bad

too rushed

story beats not being communicated well

[lusty trench]

THEN HE SAID ITS YARGLIN' TIME AND YARGLED ALL OVER THE PLACE

[last glen]

you can communicate story primarily through card art
Yu-Gi-Oh does it
but if you're going to write stories
you gotta actually write them well

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1076940563691077782/FpWe4KLWAAEIBF8.png?width=1178&height=662

this is the greatest card of all time

[last glen]

six CMC 18/6

[fallow citrus]

thalia + gitrog is kind of really good

[hidden ermine]

Wow, they really are pandering to PleasantKenobi specifically arent they

[lusty trench]

I need the lore behind the gitrog Thalia team up

[golden plover]

Literally the only thing before this about the invasion was the last sentence of the main story "And then the invasion began."

[last glen]

I mean, okay
sometimes invasions just happen after you get a lot of dudes to do the invading

[golden plover]

There's not gonna be any. It's the MCU "oh look it's two cool characters together. Isn't that cool?"

[lusty trench]

Who likes slow lands?

Anyone?

...someone?

[last glen]

hey that plus one really helps against burn

[lusty trench]

Nice art tho

[hidden ermine]

Yeah my issue isnt that the invasion was quick

Its that the buildup to the invasion was short

[last glen]

yo any color combo?

[fallow citrus]

neat chandra

[golden plover]

This Chandra is neat

[lusty trench]

Fastest spoiler grabber in the west

[last glen]

six is kinda pricy tho

two mana back on a plus is nice

[golden plover]

True

Wish it wasn't "only once each turn" but I guess it's fine

[last glen]

drop her on six
+2
cast a cheap spell twice

[golden plover]

Also, she's crying

[last glen]

tbh if it wasn't OPT it'd be really good if she survived a turn

[fallow citrus]

I would be too if I were a 6 mana mono coloured walker released after Eternal Wanderer

[lusty trench]

Nissa dead lmao

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[fallow citrus]

already into the alt arts

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/477661142102048768/1076941836347785346/YargleGX.png?width=1178&height=662

[hidden ermine]

I like the art on Breach the Multiverse

[fallow citrus]

that jin goes kinda hard though

[golden plover]

True. Wish the card was better but that art is sick

[lusty trench]

That jin art goes crazy

[fallow citrus]

and of course more alt art of the same card

this might be why the card count is so high

[hidden ermine]

Wait I just realised

[golden plover]

Yeah but there's still 94 mono white cards

[hidden ermine]

... wasnt Heliod brought to the underworld?

[fallow citrus]

oh I really like this

alt arts with the set border styles

[last glen]

hey she can make mana of any color

from what I understand they compleated Heliod in a roundabout way
they can't do it directly
but by compleating enough followers it changed Heliod

[hidden ermine]

Like

Why is Heliod back in the overworld?

He should be changed in the underworld

They kinda just took the Theros lore and went "what if we ignored this?"

[fallow citrus]

HJAHAHA

[copper pecan]

yeah but like

temporarily

[golden plover]

Oh wait Heliod is 293. So there's about 290 cards

[fallow citrus]

enjoy your new mystical archive

with le monke

[last glen]

this is an older reference
I do not understand it

[hidden ermine]

Im pretty sure it was not meant to be temporary

[last glen]

[[Mystical Archive]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Mystical Archive”

[hidden ermine]

Like Erebos chained him up in the underworld

[glad peak]

The card depicting heliod’s arrest was temporarily

[hidden ermine]

His power weakened by Elspeths trick

[fallow citrus]

mystical archive was a strixhaven thing where they reprinted non standard legal cards in the set with different art/bordering

[last glen]

so they are still
not standard legal

[golden plover]

That Ragavan is gonna be stupid expensive jesus

Yup

They're draft legal only

[fallow citrus]

WHAT

[hidden ermine]

No wait youre right

However

[fallow citrus]

planechase is back???

[hidden ermine]

... why the fuck is he wielding his spear again?

[golden plover]

Yoo nice

[glad peak]

Eh we already kinda knew that

[golden plover]

We sorta knew that

[hidden ermine]

Yeah not sure why Heliod has his spear back after it shattered

[lusty trench]

Bro Hasbro said we didn't make enough money last year

so this year we're doing everything

at once

[golden plover]

Take a guess at the short print @lusty trench

[languid quest]

so instead of slowing down with releases they are speeding those up even more

[lusty trench]

It's CoC definitely

[golden plover]

100%

[twilit canyon]

insane fucking card

[lusty trench]

Ye they gave everything to that card huh

[hidden ermine]

No battles though

Wack

[fallow citrus]

battles will be later i'm sure

@last glen

[golden plover]

They... Forgot about Squee losing his immortality

[twilit canyon]

he didnt

[golden plover]

@lusty trench @hidden ermine yeah they just fucked up the lore

[twilit canyon]

???

[golden plover]

He did in the side story

In DMU

[twilit canyon]

squee didnt fully lose it

he just has a choice

he can pass on if he wants to

[last glen]

LET'S GOOOO

[golden plover]

He was compleated and gave it up to come back one more time

Nah, his choice was to come back once more normal or die for good

He's not immortal anymore

[last glen]

Okay the card seems... okay.

[hidden ermine]

Wait ...

[hidden ermine]

I think pope is right

[lusty trench]

Who likes cookies?

[last glen]

Wait does the effect trigger when you attack with any creature?

[fallow citrus]

yeah

[lusty trench]

[hidden ermine]

Yeah wait they fucked up the lore

Squee explicitely gives up immortality

[golden plover]

Nah I am. The conclusion of Squee's story was sacrificing his immortality to come back once more

[copper pecan]

oh hey it's that frame that got leaked a while ago

[last glen]

So you want to drop this when you have another big dude ready to attack

[golden plover]

So yeah, they just completely gave up on the lore to have big team up and compleation moments

[fallow citrus]

holy omnerth

[golden plover]

Boo. Knew this was what was gonna happen but it sucks

[last glen]

also I'm not a huge fan of vampires so this tag team unfortunately doesn't do it for me

should have paired Ghalta with Thalia

negative syngery

[golden plover]

It's actually a cool Omnath

[copper pecan]

incredibly cursed mana cost

[golden plover]

Just wish he got black normally

And the WU(P/B)RG looks like a custom card

Tbf so do the tag teams

[last glen]

To be fair
if they were all phyrexian mana

that's asking for trouble

[hidden ermine]

I dont have an issue with the casting cost

[trail anvil]

they did the thing

[hidden ermine]

I just think the card is ... eh?

[trail anvil]

it's the thing

[lusty trench]

Apparently omnath is the card they were most hype to be converted

[trail anvil]

that's fun as hell though

[golden plover]

I like that he's not a boring 5c value engine

[lusty trench]

It's super cool ye

[golden plover]

He's a neat card, just wish he got black the regular way

[hidden ermine]

Nah I think this was the way to go

[last glen]

like I'm not going to deny the appeal
I imagine these crossovers are cool

[hidden ermine]

And I do like its not a 5c value engine

But I wish he did like

5 things basically

[copper pecan]

r/custommagic designed this set. japudi is literally right there

[glad peak]

He’s still sort of a 5c value engine

[hidden ermine]

Like how the previous omnaths did things based on colours

[trail anvil]

with the size of this set, it feels like they're trying to do an avengers thing

[trail anvil]

especially with all the creatures stapled together

[lusty trench]

Bruh that middle art looks bad I'm sorry

[glad peak]

Pitches to all the good elementals, draws you a card each turn, and if you hit to 4c omnath, you gain extra mana

[lusty trench]

Fuckin blobby ass mf

[fallow citrus]

ngl thought the middle one was giving me a thumbs up

[golden plover]

Yeah the middle art is lame

[last glen]

But are they doing it well

[trail anvil]

idk I like it

[golden plover]

The base art is actually the best one?

[trail anvil]

we'll see

[fallow citrus]

omnath be like "phyrexia 👍"

[golden plover]

Oh 100%

[trail anvil]

that thalia card is actually really fun

[golden plover]

We just gotta hope it doesn't end with them jumping the shark

[last glen]

People forgetting that the avengers at least attempted to have build up and connected stories

That's why it's called the cinematic universe

[lusty trench]

Here's the product line up

[golden plover]

Jesus that's a lot of shit

Don't forget about aftermath

[last glen]

Really going for the "twelve kinds of pasta sauce" approach

[glad peak]

Can’t wait for a glitch where the first couple days of welcome packs is literally all multiverse legends

[golden plover]

Which we still don't know what that is

[lusty trench]

Hello Elspeth

[last glen]

which works, mind you

[hidden ermine]

Yeah thats my issue

[hidden ermine]

Its trying to do the payoff without the buildup

[twilit canyon]

then they fucked up the lore since dominaria united cus his card still can come back from just about anything

[hidden ermine]

Shockingly magics design process right now seems more corporate than YGOs

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm on the same page. There's really nothing that connects all of this. It's just a bunch of random stuff that they connected

[golden plover]

His DMU card was from before he was compleated

He was briefly the king of the goblins, which let the sleepers compleat his goblins

[twilit canyon]

yea i read the story

[lusty trench]

This is a huge value lair wtf

[fallow citrus]

wtf

[last glen]

I guess now
after this set
all the decks mishmashing from different sets and themes are now "lore appropriate"

[golden plover]

This card comes after, it doesn't make sense for this one to have this

[twilit canyon]

i dont remember it being a permanent death

[fallow citrus]

they're previewing cards from aftermath already?

[last glen]

surprise!

[golden plover]

He chose to come back. The spirit said next time is permanent tho

[golden plover]

Lmao get fucked Kenrith

[last glen]

now when I mix my Ixalan and Innistrad decks it's canon

[twilit canyon]

huh

why

mavren is from ixalan

[last glen]

I meant moreso the big crossover theme in general

[twilit canyon]

fair

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1076947537715527791/20230219_202434.jpg?width=1178&height=662

[twilit canyon]

thalia and gitrog is super good

[copper pecan]

(this is not about will and rowan, it's about their parents)

[twilit canyon]

kenrith, the deceased king

[hidden ermine]

The other big concern I have is

[last glen]

Unless....

[hidden ermine]

Where do you go from here?

[last glen]

Pivot
Small-scale stories
Focused on personal journies

[copper pecan]

we go to ixalan, apparently

[last glen]

They've unlocked a multiverse
This is a great time to contrast planes for dramatic and narrative effect

[lusty trench]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1627389577676701697?t=Hlf8ICHkUhM_rXne_hr1qg&s=33

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

https://t.co/bQx73gPuX4

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 19, 2023, 7:28 PM

Trailer time

[copper pecan]

why is colossal dreadmaw in the trailer???

[last glen]

you knew they had to

[fallow citrus]

why would you not include the best creature in mtg

[lusty trench]

Hello there

[copper pecan]

tweet deleted for some reason

[hidden ermine]

... Nicol Bolas? Really?

[twilit canyon]

oh shit right

jace knows bolas lives

[copper pecan]

that's not how you spell our lords and saviors yargle and multani

[twilit canyon]

and he was phyrexianized

[lusty trench]

It looks like he's on amonkhet though

So this could just be a reference to past events

[last glen]

okay bets on if they uncompleat anyone in MOM
or not until Aftermath

[twilit canyon]

its the spirit of bolas

[fallow citrus]

those are just from old trailers right

[golden plover]

Yeah they are

[fallow citrus]

that karn is from one of the mirrodin set trailers iirc

[lusty trench]

Lol, lmao, lol

[golden plover]

Thank God they're not just throwing literally everything into the set

Yet

[golden plover]

For 20 minutes until aftermath resets everything to normal

[modern minnow]

they got mercadia nooo

[lusty trench]

No battle card previews?

Lame

[hidden ermine]

I hope that at the very least they know they cant just reset everything and act like nothing ever happened

Thats what made DCs endless crossover events start to drag

[golden plover]

Yeah they should have at least shown a battle card

[modern minnow]

are the invasions the art for battle cards do you think

[fallow citrus]

most likely

[golden plover]

Nah they won't reset it. Elspeth will kill Norn and go "did I just do that?" And then they'll make a side story about how it affected the planes. And nothing will come from it again

so not a literal reset, but it'll just never be acknowledged

[hidden ermine]

Eh, Im willing to wait and see

[golden plover]

I'm hoping I'm wrong

It's just what they did with WAR and the Eldrazi

[lusty trench]

Hope y'all are ready for ragavan in historic

[golden plover]

And I unfortunately feel like I'm right

[twilit canyon]

bolas arc concluded and was lame but the eldrazi are still out there

[hidden ermine]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1627390130267860998?t=KPsIjrUswe04YTEh_uUkbA&s=19

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

One last stand.

#MTGMachine

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 19, 2023, 7:30 PM

Trailer is back

[golden plover]

True, because they need to bring in another big villain when they wanna do "event sets" again after this

Even the bolas conclusion was "he could come back when we feel like it"

[hidden ermine]

Definitely feels like an MCU trailer ngl

Ok but that aside, there is one thing that I do wish MTG would start doing

And thats using more non-established characters

Theyve been crutching on the Gatewatch and legacy characters like Teferi for a very long time

[last glen]

They haven't built up any new stars to replace them

[hidden ermine]

You dont even really need to build them up that much

New story, new protagonists

But nowadays even the villains are old

[golden plover]

Yeah, I'd love to have the scale get dialed back a lot

[hidden ermine]

Whens the last time we had an antagonist that appeared for more than one set that wasnt established?

[golden plover]

Focus on some people like Basri and Samut or whoever and have them deal with minor walker villains for a bit

And then have some minor villains and stuff become the new focus

[last glen]

But how well do new characters sell

This isn't Yu-Gi-Oh
You can't just put a big dragon or hot woman on the cover and hope it will sell

[golden plover]

You absolutely can. The average magic player doesn't know who anyone in the lore is

Just put a dude fighting a dragon on the pack and they'll go "oh that looks cool"

Oh so fun fact about this set:
The pre-release promos aren't legal in your pre-release

https://preview.redd.it/328c9ge0k8ja1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bb396e89b5f7d6aebee24f9d61cd55cf6416b6dd

They're from the commander pool

These are commander only cards???

[lusty trench]

Wait they're pre release promos? How does that work?

[golden plover]

Slimefoot and Squee are also one

[golden plover]

So you know how you get that stamped promo?

They're commander cards this time

[lusty trench]

Bruh that's lame

[hidden ermine]

The Phyrexians were once new

Kaya was new and caught on

[golden plover]

It might be that certain ones are and that certain are the regular ones. But it is, yeah

It's gonna suck having to explain to someone they can't put slimefoot in their pre-release deck either lmao

Especially because the archive ones are in fact playable in draft

[lusty trench]

Bruh I'm looking at Jin and I'm loving it for my atraxa deck

Love a good draw 7 bounce all

[twilit canyon]

p damn good

[lusty trench]

When the ledger is shredder

(this goes plus lmao)

[fallow citrus]

very nice card

[hidden ermine]

The art is weird ngl

[twilit canyon]

its yuta takahashi drawn as a faerie rogue

[golden plover]

Oh second card only

It's probably not bad, but it's only ever drawing you one a turn

Still solid for a 2/1 flash flier for 2

[lusty trench]

That's about what ledger shredder does

And you don't have to discard for this one

[golden plover]

Yeah that's true. I guess I'm just thinking that the ceiling of ledger shredder is higher

This is probably good enough most of the time tho

[fallow citrus]

ledger discarding isn't a downside

[golden plover]

That too

[fallow citrus]

being a 1/2 means it doesn't die to w6 or other ping removal

[golden plover]

The discard on ledger is usually an upside

[fallow citrus]

plus ledger can get legitimately big

[golden plover]

I don't think this is a bad card, but I feel like it's not gonna be a great card either

[fallow citrus]

it's good it just isn't ledger shredder

[golden plover]

99% of where you'd want to play this, you'd rather ledger shredder

But it does effectively let you "double down"

[fallow citrus]

the advantage for this is just flashing it in to get a draw

[golden plover]

And if Eldraine has the "second draw per turn" archetype again, this gets a lot better in standard

Yeah the flash is the biggest upside

Most of the time it'll flash in, draw you a card, block, and die

But for 2 mana, that's fine

[twilit canyon]

this isnt shredder

its more akin to [[notion thief]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znc/96/notion-thief

Notion Thief <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
If an opponent would draw a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, instead that player skips that draw and you draw a card.
3/1

[golden plover]

It's a lot worse than notion thief tho

Thief outright denies them the draw, and all subsequent draws per turn

[twilit canyon]

thief is a 4 drop

this is a 2 drop

thief is also notoriously broken and widely considered overpowered

[golden plover]

True. I don't think this is bad, I'm just saying it's a lot more fair than thief

[twilit canyon]

thats a good thing

[golden plover]

For sure, but fair isn't enough a lot of the time

It'll probably be really good in standard tho

[twilit canyon]

hes worth slotting into cedh decks

he will see play for sure

[lusty trench]

My krark sakashima deck when I windfall 3 times

(realistically 0 times cause that mf coin always lands on tails)

[golden plover]

I think he's fine there yeah, but only as a way to "double down" on ledger shredder

Best case is he makes a rotation and you draw 3 cards

Average is he draws 1 and dies right after

[lusty trench]

My playgroup has a massive issue with reading cards power scales (like me) so I'll have this card on board for 4 turns until someone asks me why I have so many cards in hand

To which they'll immediately forget about it next game

[golden plover]

Apparently Yuta said he tried to make it a 1/3 so it could block Ragavan and Thalia lmao

[lusty trench]

[twilit canyon]

thatd be too good

[golden plover]

True, but I do really wish it was a 1/2 instead of a 2/1

2/1 is nice for flash attacking tho, especially with stuff like Tymna

[lusty trench]

2 mana draw one trade for a ragavan also seems pretty good

[golden plover]

Yeah that's the floor and that's really not a bad floor

[sudden lava]

o.O new commanders of two creatures in 1, yo

one is even a dinosaur/vampire tribal commander

[last glen]

someone gave away some arena codes in another server

when the land is rare

[sudden lava]

👀

[twilit canyon]

ur late to the reveals

[sudden lava]

yes

that art is so cool

[lusty trench]

Rip and tear

[sudden lava]

full hand lover, also damn 1000 cards in the set

thats insane

[golden plover]

Is he killing the dominus?

[lusty trench]

Tekuthal? Looks a bit small to be them

Tekuthal towers over Jin and even vorinclex

[golden plover]

I dunno, he doesn't look massive here

Like he's big, but Jin could kill him

[twilit canyon]

i believe the dominus are all about mountain sized

[hidden ermine]

This one looks much smaller than a mountain

The left figure is Vorinclex isnt it?

[lusty trench]

I'd sooner say it's this guy then tekuthal

But these blue eyeball tentacles are just common amongst the blue phyrexians

[golden plover]

It is. Unless the scale is really fucky, he's only about twice that size

Can't believe they killed my boi Tekuthal

All he wanted to do was play with his toys

[lusty trench]

I feel pretty confident that no, that's not tekuthal

[hidden ermine]

Its hard to parse but

I dont think its Tekuthal

[lusty trench]

The main difference is the wires that Jin is destroying aren't pink or fleshy

[hidden ermine]

I think its something that has the same kinda helmet shape as the great synthesis

[lusty trench]

They're very clearly metal

[hidden ermine]

Oh Jin isnt destroying wires

Theyre his wires

Hes attacking a helmet

... wait

Im not sure actually anymore because I dont recall Jin having wires

[lusty trench]

Eh I wouldn't worry too much about it, phyrexians are very "plug and play" with their forms

[fallow citrus]

I was gonna say this is jin probably plugging himself into something

like how shelly plugs herself into a dreadnought

[lusty trench]

I think Norn and vorinclex are the only two that would outright refuse to change their body

Norn because she needs her current form as a symbol, and vorinclex because he wants to prove he's naturally the strongest

[fallow citrus]

norn's changed in MOM anyway by the look of it

not a lot but slightly

might be more of a battle form

[lusty trench]

Ah seems I'm wrong then

We know sheoldred is cool with it, urabrask would likely not turn something down if it powered them up, and Jin loves that kinda shit

Hell the guy wore pants

[golden plover]

Urabask gets changed every art

But that's just because he's got a different model every time

Hell, he even looks wildly different here

Also, looks like the civil war plot was just dropped?

Sheoldred and Urabask seem to be hanging out on the Realmbreaker with the rest

[lusty trench]

Sheoldred seems to be more metallic than before

[golden plover]

She's also not attached to anything

[lusty trench]

She seems to be plugged into the tree itself

Maybe she's on surveillance

[golden plover]

Possibly

But she was one of the ones leading the civil war last set

But just like Theros, SNC, and the Squee stuff, were just gonna drop all the plot points that would make the story not fit

Hopefully I'm wrong and the Rakdos faction is fighting against Norn

Urabrask does at least seem to be possibly attacking the Realmbreaker in that art

[lusty trench]

I think Vorinclex is loving this rn, getting to fight the multiverse's strongest

[golden plover]

Yeah that's all he's wanted the whole time

He's probably just vibing

I moreso wanna know what Sheoldred is doing tho

Did she decide to switch back because Norn actually started the invasion or is she playing some weird long con?

[twilit canyon]

norn reads to me like a long term plans kinda gal

err

the old red

[golden plover]

Yeah, but last she was seen she was actively leading a civil war

I kinda doubt that the second the Realmbreaker started up she went "oh my b, I'm on team phyrexia again" without Norn doing something

Maybe that's why she's bonded with the tree tho?

[twilit canyon]

maybe?

she did get that upgrade to her body that allows her to swap bases

[golden plover]

Yeah but I feel like Norn isn't the type to let her off the hook and let her still lead her army after starting a coup

Feels like something she'd be a little mad about