Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

That's missing the point for dockside tho. "This $50 card isn't broken in casual" is a dumb statement

[twilit canyon]

its not

they dont balance casual

they give suggestions

we know this to be the case

or else the format would have a way bigger banlist

[golden plover]

Yeah but the only reason dockside isn't an issue is because it's priced out of casual

[lusty trench]

Every deck I run into lately at my lgs with blue black in it is a coin flip if it has thassas tainted pact

[golden plover]

If it was in every precon, they'd be wanting it banned asap

[lusty trench]

Because the individual cards are what £20 total?

[golden plover]

And yeah, no Thoracle ban is still wack

[golden plover]

It's a bit cheaper now that consult got a lair print, yeah

So $15-$25ish

[twilit canyon]

you should check their deck carefully

tainted pact can only win if the deck has 1 basic

consult 0 dupes of any individual land

the cards are genuinely not able to be included until you hit a mana consistency that 90% of casual decks wont have

[lusty trench]

Ad nauseum was the card I was thinking of, not pact, though we have a couple people playing pact iirc

It's much slower but when others are using precons it doesn't feel great

[twilit canyon]

ad nauseam is also not broken

ad nauseam specifically is really bad unless your deck has sub 1.7 mana value

[fallow citrus]

I mean ngl any precon will feel not great vs any constructed deck

[twilit canyon]

that... too

precons suck straight up

[lusty trench]

That's fair ig, I'm just sick of seeing thassas everywhere I go and have it suggested to me every time I build a deck with blue black in it

[twilit canyon]

it shouldnt be suggested unless you are playing cedh and have a perfect mana

people who dont understand this are not worth listening to

[lusty trench]

It's still annoying but a personal problem ig

[fallow citrus]

damn this token goes hard af

[twilit canyon]

they look like mass produced evas

[fallow citrus]

oh true

[lusty trench]

They do look good

[fallow citrus]

phyrexian goblin running at you to ask if you have games on your phone

[clever sun]

He

[last glen]

MTGA selling gems today

400 gems for 300 gems or 1500 gold

[fallow citrus]

beautiful

[golden plover]

https://beadleandgrimms.com/pages/behold-new-phyrexia

Man this box is cool, but the last one came with a deck box, mat, sleeves, and a life counter

This one is just the box, some dice, 65 sleeves (?), and a phyrexian mental misstep

Oh and the "phyrexian language journal" but I dunno if that's just the article printed

Really cool box tho

But yeah, that's the same price as all of this from the last set they had a thing for

[twilit canyon]

seems the limited experts are extremely high on eternal wanderer

see some ppl even calling her the most powerful limited card released in the last 10 years or so

and shes only a rare

i guarantee this limited format will be kinda ass

[atomic harness]

I just read it holy shit

[twilit canyon]

she has big [[elspeth suns champion]] vibes

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddo/1/elspeth-suns-champion

Elspeth, Sun's Champion <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Elspeth
+1: Create three 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens.
−3: Destroy all creatures with power 4 or greater.
−7: You get an emblem with "Creatures you control get +2/+2 and have flying."
Loyalty: 4

[twilit canyon]

only she feels eben more unbeatabke in a sense

*unbeatable

only 1 thing can swing at her per turn

her board wipe is way bigger than elspeth

and her tokens are more relevant

i wouldnt be surprised if she sees niche play as a control finisher in some formats

[glad peak]

Time to grab every eternal wanderer in draft and hope no one is in white

[twilit canyon]

i think even if ur not in white u force her too

p3p1 eternal wanderer means ur splashing white for her

[glad peak]

You say that as if I’m not gonna force white for Kaya in the first place

But yeah wanderer is pretty pretty good

[fallow citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/10q8lsu/smite_x_magic_the_gathering_gameplay_trailer/

[atomic harness]

Huh

[fallow citrus]

@twilit canyon If I can grab full amulet titan for £350 should I

[twilit canyon]

meh

its not bad

everything + side?

[twilit canyon]

how bad do you wanna play prime time

cus from what i can tell

this is only missing

1 explore

2 tolaria west

maybe 1 more cavern of souls

side could use a bit of work like

running engineered explosives, more boseiju over outland liberator

tireless tracker and endurance are also very strong in titan

that are not in this side

past that, this is like almost totally stock

[fallow citrus]

yeah endurance not being there is kinda big

I'm not like over the moon to play prime time but I'm just looking for a modern deck so I can actually go play at either my local lgs or the one in the next city over

[waxen timber]

Unbeatable bombs at rare make the draft so terrible. I remember when dream trawler made theros misrable

[atomic harness]

@clever sun somebody has it

I'm going for it

[fallow citrus]

🙏

[atomic harness]

uhh should I also get an ashnod's altar? It lets me infinite with foundry sword but I highly doubt they'll let me walk with it esp in 4-5 players

when half the people are on blue

I think I might get Karn DMU instead

[atomic harness]

mb I can get your opinion on this aeri

[fallow citrus]

which one is dmu karn?

[atomic harness]

Living Legacy, Caster suggsted it

[fallow citrus]

and ashnods is fine if you want to infinite cause not everyone is going to have an answer guaranteed

[atomic harness]

Said it was for ramp and it's "not threatening enough" for ppl to hit

[fallow citrus]

plus if people are already ramping up power levels I think you can have another good card in there

and yeah karn might not be bad

[atomic harness]

Alright, I might get both tbh

The only thing I dont like is outside of the infinite ashnod doesnt help me

[glad peak]

Ashnod’s “not threatening enough”

[atomic harness]

Not ash, karn mudkip

He just sits there and makes powerstone tokens

[glad peak]

Oh for Karn

Yeah that’s not good enough tbh

[fallow citrus]

[[karn, the great creator]] would be a good one to plau

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/1/karn-the-great-creator

Karn, the Great Creator <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

[fallow citrus]

the real karn

[atomic harness]

hmm what about

[[scion of urza]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/1/karn-scion-of-urza

Karn, Scion of Urza <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
+1: Reveal the top two cards of your library. An opponent chooses one of them. Put that card into your hand and exile the other with a silver counter on it.
−1: Put a card you own with a silver counter on it from exile into your hand.
−2: Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Loyalty: 5

[fallow citrus]

Not a bad card tbh

[atomic harness]

I also picked up fabricate and mighstone / weakstone, though they're still in the mail

[fallow citrus]

assuming you play urza main too

[atomic harness]

soon tm

[atomic harness]

the main guy in the group is flexing we have to stop him by turn 3 or else he wins

hes only pulled off the instakill once (and that was on turn 6 because someone counterspelled the wrong thing)

I assume this is just memery and I shouldnt think too hard about it

Most of the time I start walloping him hard with chunky karnstructs anyway so it's probably fine

[fallow citrus]

whats he playing

[atomic harness]

I keep forgetting her name

Thopter chick with foundry sword infinite loop

mostly value based artifact looping

his deck was originally the mishra precon but he decided to do this

[lusty trench]

Thopter chick?

Saheeli?

[atomic harness]

Breya

[lusty trench]

Ohhh her

[glad peak]

Tell him to make a better Breya deck that you have to stop turn 1

[atomic harness]

he's also saying wahh you're so screwed the next time we play because everyone now has artifact hate

I switched up my strategy to be a bit more grindy so hopefully I can rebuild just fine

[fallow citrus]

idk if he's like that irl but he sounds kinda annoying ngl

[subtle sierra]

Ngl, i have no experience with commander, but they sound like a sore loser

[atomic harness]

yeah it irks me a bit but I think theyre all just poking fun and stuff
since my other friends talk smack back too

I just wanna have fun and play

[glad peak]

Breya doesn’t need artifact specific things to win on turn 1

Mana rocks, that’s it

[twilit canyon]

like any good ubx cedh list breya can with with thoracle consult

*win

[clever sun]

BASED

May your artifacts flood the board plentifully and in the most annoying ways possible for your opponents

And may the turtle slay your enemies swiftly

[rich bronze]

Does this not look like an old MTG card?

Fate Spoilers

[twilit canyon]

kinda?

[[solemn simulacrum]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/191/solemn-simulacrum

Solemn Simulacrum <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Golem
When Solemn Simulacrum enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
When Solemn Simulacrum dies, you may draw a card.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

the old art of this not this one

[[solemn simulacrum|mrd]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/245/solemn-simulacrum

Solemn Simulacrum <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Golem
When Solemn Simulacrum enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
When Solemn Simulacrum dies, you may draw a card.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

this deck just got me from diamond 4 to mythic

deck is gas and only getting better with darkslick shores making the mana even better

probably wont try new kaito here

but i will consider it

[zinc shard]

[atomic harness]

it becomes a bomb/wincon right? super cheap to cast if I have any half decent setup
ward 4 and snowballs

can also protect the turtle w my own counterspells

[clever sun]

Yep

[trail anvil]

this is some next level flood

jk I drew farewell with exactly enough mana, we gucci

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus the guy that was being annoying lightened up a bit now

also giving me some other upgrade pieces

I think he was just goading us for funsies

Funnily enough if people run more artifact hate for me, he also gets screwed over

[glad peak]

Still tell him to run an actual good Breya deck that can win turn 1

[fallow citrus]

nice nice

[atomic harness]

well then we wouldnt get to play

[glad peak]

Yeah but that’s a way to goad him whenever he brags he can win on turn 3

[golden plover]

The legends of the set article mentions there's an active coup happening by Sheoldred??????

This was literally never mentioned in the story at all and like 2 cards even implied it???

[twilit canyon]

im guessing shelly still mad from the time elly slapped her shit in back in the og new phyrexia set

also im like 90% sure now that this is an accidental spoiler for the next set cus yea nothing rn is supee obvious about her doing so

[golden plover]

Yeah probably, but like there's like a single mention of it on a card

[twilit canyon]

there was card hints she was gonna do so

[golden plover]

Really weird to just go "oh yeah there's a civil war lmao"

She's working with Urabask????

Literally none of this is mentioned in the cards????

[twilit canyon]

yea im like 90% sure this is an accidental spoiler for next set

[golden plover]

I mean SNC lore wasn't shown on the cards at all either

But this is a lot of big lore to just not mention

[twilit canyon]

yea its why i think its an accident

do u have a link to the article

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/the-legends-of-phyrexia-all-will-be-one

It's on two separate cards tho

[copper pecan]

it was mentioned in the story, i remember them mentioning this before

[zinc shard]

Jesus did we really need 9 different Elesh Nord variants

oh my bad, 10

[golden plover]

Yeah it's way too many

[glad peak]

Eh if it keeps her cheap then it’s a good thing

[golden plover]

Half are collector booster only

One is bundle only

About 6-7 are 1% chance or less

There's really only about a few that will realistically affect the price

Tbh I'm still convinced the Ito one was supposed to be [[Marrow Shards]] for the secret lair and they went "oh wait, we can make more money by making this norn"

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/15/marrow-shards

Marrow Shards <:manawp:292901508826005515>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Marrow Shards deals 1 damage to each attacking creature.
"We are a single entity. Dissenters must be sutured into the Orthodoxy." —Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

[golden plover]

The pose seems pretty spot on

Like it's not exactly the same, but it definitely looks like it was an instant or something first

The Ito lair is also the only artist lair that doesn't have a themed bonus card (either sketch or extra card)

[rich bronze]

It reminds me of Legendaries back then

[golden plover]

Huh I thought the previews for DMR were funky, but the cards actually look like that

The fonts feel off

It's thicker than usual or something

[clever sun]

Strange

[golden plover]

It's not like a huge deal, but it definitely looks a bit weird

DMR beside 2XM for comparison

[lusty trench]

Dominaria remastered uses Japan to print it iirc

[golden plover]

Ah gotcha

[lusty trench]

I think all will be one does too hence why the rares are front of pack

[golden plover]

That's just a set booster thing

Although I do wish they were in the back, it's more fun

[golden plover]

So y'all remember that dude with his custom commander format? I asked what the rule was for stuff like [[Extus]] because CMC and apparently they're not legal if the front facing creature side doesn't meet conditions

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Extus”, can you be more specific?

No card found for “Extus, Ordiq Overlord”

[golden plover]

[[Awaken the Blood Avatar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/149/extus-oriq-overlord-awaken-the-blood-avatar

Extus, Oriq Overlord <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Double strike
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, return target nonlegendary creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
"Join me for the dawn of a new age."
2/4

Awaken the Blood Avatar
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice any number of creatures. This spell costs less to cast for each creature sacrificed this way.
Each opponent sacrifices a creature. Create a 3/6 black and red Avatar creature token with haste and "Whenever this creature attacks, it deals 3 damage to each opponent."

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCplrt0LMzY

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/MTGNerdGirl/status/1621311183176499200?t=I8QLJAWHOEco2pO4fooOGg&s=19

MTGNerdGirl (@MTGNerdGirl)

This was already THE MOST bomb heavy set in years...

WHY THE HELL DID WE ALSO ADD OLD PRAETORS TO THE LIMITED ENVIORMENT?!

This is gross... I'll see you guys in two months.

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Twitter · Feb 3, 2023, 12:54 AM

i once again feel insanely correct by not liking vigilance

*limited

lmao

limited players

get fucked

[trail anvil]

was the content creator early access today

[subtle sierra]

maybe i should redownload mtga

[twilit canyon]

ye

[atomic harness]

I managed to pull off some wins today in edh w friends

One game was fat karnstructs bashing people

the other was that but I transitioned into finite thopter sword combos buffed by master of etherium

They were mostly shocked at how fast I was aggroing or playing compared to their decks

(the same playgroup + two vets w decently powered decks)

vault skirge, steel overseer, master of etherium were big mvps

same with etherium sculptor, chief of the foundry, and thran spider

Dovin's Veto was nice today as well

[atomic harness]

I didnt have kappa cannoneer yet since the guy wasnt there, but [[bronze guardian]] proved to be really nice

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/13/bronze-guardian

Bronze Guardian <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Golem
Double strike
Ward (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Other artifacts you control have ward .
Bronze Guardian's power is equal to the number of artifacts you control.
*/5

[trail anvil]

watching this video made me think about how many of these cards I'd want to run, but how much I wouldn't want to run this deck in particular

you ever go through the deck theory process where you want to abuse a card but you forget that you need to build around it to make it effective, in this case the mite bitterblossom that gets a huge effect from corrupted

[copper pecan]

i'm glad that poison seems to be decent

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1621556182451191816

MTG Secret Lair (@MTGSecretLair)

The initial image for Stonecoil Serpent in the Ssssssnakessssss' drop had an error that is not reflective of the final product. This has been updated on our website to correct this. Customers who purchased the drop will be notified directly as well.

https://t.co/QJYn2Td2HK

Twitter · Feb 3, 2023, 5:08 PM

literally 1984

[last glen]

what was the error

[clever sun]

Huh

[hidden ermine]

Oh the original art had a guy impaled on a stake

[copper pecan]

the guy literally had his dick out

[golden plover]

Damn that sucks

The impaled dude made the art way cooler

Should've just removed the dick

[clever sun]

Cocks out kinda card you know?

[golden plover]

True, he was fine tbh

[trail anvil]

dicks out for stonecoil serpent

[granite badge]

gonna be going to Prerelease Sealed today

nicee

[lusty trench]

At my prereelease a new player got both the special dice and pulled elesh

He then proceeded to play unsleeved

He was told what elesh is worth

He was offered sleeves

[burnt relic]

lol

[golden plover]

Should've ate it after

He already used it for the pre-release. Might as well get some nutrition

[lusty trench]

Fibre and the world's cheapest card stock

[golden plover]

Exactly

[clever sun]

I play unsleeved at pre-release

No matter how expensive a card is

[strong quartz]

Apparently the story in this set and the last set have been pretty good

[golden plover]

I thought the story this time sucked tbh

[strong quartz]

This has been what I've been hearing second hand

[golden plover]

Everyone forgot how to be a reasonable person whenever the plot called for it so they'd lose

[strong quartz]

At least Lukka is now likely never coming back after being dealt with in the next set

Imagine making a character who's whole purpose is to job

[last glen]

don't tell Half about jobbers

[strong quartz]

Man's whole history is Ls after he got his plane specific furry disease

[hidden ermine]

So basically idiot dodgeball?

[copper pecan]

it was mostly just lukka, kaya, and elspeth who were being stupid

[granite badge]

I sleeve everything I pull at drafts & sealed(even the tokens)

[copper pecan]

especially lukka

[granite badge]

its mostly just a shuffle feel thing for me

I'd rather eat the $10 for a pack of Dragon Shields in addition to the fee than shuffle unsleeved

it just feels... so wrong

let alone using them unsleeved

[golden plover]

Pretty much, yeah

[golden plover]

Kaito has a moment too

"oh we have no reason to assume that the Sylex will destroy the entire multiverse but I guess it does now woops"

[last glen]

shoutouts to "special bad ideas"

[golden plover]

Literally called Jace out for it and then had a different special bad idea

[languid quest]

then they stumbled and got completed without Elesh Norn having to do anything

[waxen timber]

Dang got second at my prerelease. Only lost 1 game but, 1st place had 0 game losses

[glad peak]

Opened mommy, wanderer, and lukka for my prerelease

[sudden lava]

mommy?

[glad peak]

Panharmommycon

[sudden lava]

huh

[atomic harness]

New Elesh

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus @clever sun

edh dub yesterday

Finite thopters got me there

I killed the guy w the most counterspells and board wipes first with karnstructs backed up by master of etherium

before I bopped him he played a spell that caused us to mill half our library, then captain n'ghatrod was going to steal this other guy's spirit kami that would fog for him

I had one (1) open powerstone token and used my lantern of the lost to deny him that and exile everyone's grave, then went for the kill

they couldnt really hit back all that much since urza keeps making more karnstructs and my other artifact creatures were big

later I got wiped, rebuilt w thopter foundry + sword, buried ruin back the MoE and went from there

[lusty trench]

Need help deciding on a secret lair, street fighter or Fiona staples

[fallow citrus]

[golden plover]

I'd say street fighter

More cards, more value

[glad peak]

Fiona staples?

Which one is that

[glad peak]

Oh hey 2 modern playable cards

[golden plover]

I actually forgot how cool this one was

I still think street fighter might be the better value but all of these arts are nicer

[glad peak]

The staples one has much better value

The universes beyond variant of street fighter cards are the money cards, not the secret lair variant

The dryad alone makes staples better

[golden plover]

Ah gotcha

Wasn't sure the prices

So yeah, grab staples

[lusty trench]

Yeah have done split it with my partner, I got the druid and they got everything else

[fallow citrus]

I mean those are all potentially playable cards

dryad being the best

[golden plover]

Yeah they're all good cards

I couldn't remember what was in that lair

[clever sun]

Average Affinity EDH board

[lusty trench]

Annnd promo pack had a foil Heliod sun crowned

[zinc shard]

Ok i havent been keeping exact track, but i swear this is the 6th or 7th game in a row I've been on the draw

[zinc shard]

Is this a combo deck? cuz this feels like a combo deck

[atomic harness]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5391280#paper here's the current list, no kappa yet. I'll be getting it later this week

[clever sun]

I'm only slightly offended you don't have Arcbound Ravager in the list

but I forgive you

[atomic harness]

I doo want one but I cant find one rn

[clever sun]

Are you in EU?

Or are you back in the Asia region

[atomic harness]

Back in Asia ja. I've been thinking about new stuff to add here

[clever sun]

Damn

It'd be a little unreasonable to send you a copy of Arcbound all the way to you from here in the US

To Europe a bit more reasonable but not to Asia sadly

[atomic harness]

Yeah no worries, I can probably find one here!

People have been trying to get me to buy Urza, Lord High Artificer

I do want one but I think it's too soon power level wise

[clever sun]

It's good

So good

I'd take the plunge when you can

[atomic harness]

It's probably like the biggest big boy upgrade no? even more so than saga

goes infinite with thopter sword and makes a construct
so far in our 8 person playgroup only 2 people have infinites

[clever sun]

It's okay

They don't have to know

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

I got some other stuff coming in the mail soon, not sure if they fit well but probably decent options

Tormod's Crypt, Mightstone and Weakstone, Mind Stone, Crawlspace (I usually die from combat damage ngl. The Millicent dude who is my best friend often takes me out with hordes of flying spirits.)

Fabricate ( ) , Phyrexian Scriptures (this seems kinda cool?), Palladium Myr

[clever sun]

[[Crawlspace]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c13/240/crawlspace

Crawlspace <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
No more than two creatures can attack you each combat.
Lord Rondor arrived for battle with sixty war elephants, ten catapults, and two hundred of his finest archers. Then he saw the battlefield . . .

[clever sun]

Oh this is okay I guess

Scriptures is okay

Palladium is decentish

[atomic harness]

Yeah scriptures looked pretty nice to me since not many ppl have enchantment removal and the wipe would be one sided. Even my urza lives because chapter 1 would make him an artifact

I might swap out ruinous blast for it, it's really awkward to cast that card since all my good artifacts also go bye bye

[clever sun]

Enchantment removal goes from a bit rare to common out of nowhere in EDH

[atomic harness]

we are bereft of green so maybe that's why

[clever sun]

White is also an expert at making Enchantments go poof

[atomic harness]

oo I see, we do have some whites. Are there other wipes that dont affect me? some ppl said Their Name is death and Organic Extinction

[clever sun]

As in board wipes?

[[Plague Wind]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/102/plague-wind

Plague Wind <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures you don't control. They can't be regenerated.
"The second wind of ascension is Reaver, slaying the unworthy." —Keld Triumphant

[clever sun]

The new White Sun's Zenith

[[Extinction Event]] can be done in a way that it won't kill your stuff

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/88/extinction-event

Extinction Event <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Choose odd or even. Exile each creature with mana value of the chosen quality. (Zero is even.)
"Nature is more merciless than any hunter I've ever known." —Zai, nightsquad captain

[atomic harness]

[[white sun's twilight]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/38/white-suns-twilight

White Sun's Twilight <:manax:292901509082120202><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
You gain X life. Create X 1/1 colorless Phyrexian Mite artifact creature tokens with toxic 1 and "This creature can't block." If X is 5 or more, destroy all other creatures. (Players dealt combat damage by a creature with toxic 1 also get a poison counter.)

[lusty trench]

Making a big dumb creatures deck with minsc and boo as my commander

[glad peak]

You should play green red land destruction and stax since you have the best big dumb creature that’s also removal and a draw engine in your command zone

[lusty trench]

Or

I could make all my creatures hampsters

Or run +1 +1 counters to make big hampsters

[atomic harness]

https://mtgrocks.com/mtg-arena-alchemy-cards-are-making-paper-magic-worse/

Whats this about

it keeps popping up in my feed

[twilit canyon]

its clickbait content

whenever mtg writers need something to write about when they have nothing to complain about

[copper pecan]

it's also just total nonsense

[twilit canyon]

the #1 source to go to is to complain about something or another in alchemy or arena

this is an entire article written about a single thread on the mtg sub

[copper pecan]

some of these complaints have literally nothing to do with alchemy

[twilit canyon]

yea lmao

[copper pecan]

like how the fuck is it alchemy's fault that paper cards are expensive

[twilit canyon]

oh okay this is a salty hit piece bc wotc has data to back up the fact that casual arena/paper hybrid players are way way more numerous than the ppl who hate the formats

[copper pecan]

yeah

like the data shows that most players don't mind digital only cards or rebalanced cards

if they did mind then alchemy wouldn't have twice as many players as explorer does

[twilit canyon]

oh this dude is hella mad that alchemy is popular at all

https://mtgrocks.com/mtg-players-want-more-of-the-games-worst-format/

[copper pecan]

ah yes because that clearly isn't subjective at all

[twilit canyon]

this is actually so funny

1 boomer mtg writer ranting about whatever

[copper pecan]

also the card in that picture, [[juggernaut peddler]], plays totally fine and is a genuinely great design

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/23/juggernaut-peddler

Juggernaut Peddler <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Artificer
Vigilance
When Juggernaut Peddler enters the battlefield, target player reveals all nonland cards in their hand. You may choose one of those cards. If you do, that player exiles it and conjures a card named Juggernaut into their hand.
2/2

[copper pecan]

literally a used car salesman

[twilit canyon]

peddler is actually really funny

i have considered it in historic and alchemy to hate on combo decks

since a lot of recent combo decks have some gy recursion

[golden plover]

When I saw "Art Avalanche" I thought it was gonna be about the fact that a lot of alchemy art is slush art or cards that use real art for an entirely different card in alchemy (all the Baldurs Gate ones) but it's just that there's too much card art?

[copper pecan]

that would at least be a reasonable complaint

[golden plover]

Theres plenty of legit issues surrounding alchemy so that one is weird when if anything, SLs and the billion art variants (Norn having 10 in one set) are a worse contributor

Yeah, like "It's weird as hell that [[Battle Angels of Tyr]] and [[Champions of Tyr]] are entirely different cards with the same art" is a valid complaint

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/9/battle-angels-of-tyr

Battle Angels of Tyr <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Knight
Flying, myriad
Whenever Battle Angels of Tyr deals combat damage to a player, draw a card if that player has more cards in hand than each other player. Then you create a Treasure token if that player controls more lands than each other player. Then you gain 3 life if that player has more life than each other player.
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/hbg/21/champions-of-tyr

Champions of Tyr <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Knight
Flying
Double team
When Champions of Tyr enters the battlefield, you get a boon with "When you cast your next creature spell, that creature enters the battlefield with your choice of a +1/+1 counter, a flying counter, or a lifelink counter on it."
4/3

[golden plover]

If anything, they need to make more art for alchemy so that there's not cards that use paper card art for entirely different cards (or the shitty Photoshop recolors)

[twilit canyon]

yea all alchemy drops on arena come with their own art

all except the baldurs gate one

which is just super odd

[clever sun]

I just want rebalances every three weeks

Like a lot of what WotC does, Alchemy is not curated nearly as much as it should be

[atomic harness]

oh so just a boomer then tldr

[golden plover]

https://youtu.be/z0rtEIIozfg

Man for an RC member, Olivia sure doesn't seem to enjoy the game

She's having fun when she's winning, then the second she starts losing, she's just tilted all game

Also, her deck was by far the best at the table

If she played better, she could have won ez

[twilit canyon]

this is entirely how casual commander looks and is tbh

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

The “everyone had fun because they each did something cool” thing is a farce and a lie people keep saying

[languid quest]

you should check out EDH game play series that she is co-host in to see better look at what kind of decks shew plays and how she plays

also using single game from game group made up from youtube content creators to judge casual EDH is stupid

[glad peak]

I’m not basing it off of a single game

[golden plover]

Maybe she's different in other games, but it was just a shitty attitude

She had all the tools to combo off and came up a bit short, so when she's getting attacked, going "I'm not even a threat" gets really annoying

Tbh I dislike Brian Kibbler, so I was expecting him to be the player I liked the least going in

But he was fine

[fallow citrus]

idk just sounds like that's a normal edh game from the outside looking in

[golden plover]

Probably, I guess I'm just not used to it since I try and make an effort not to play with people who do that stuff

[atomic harness]

this is why I dont have a combo

well I do but shh

[lusty trench]

Idk I never tilt, I may mentally check out of a game once I know its over but like I'm never upset or angry, someone has to win eventually

The people I play with don't either

[golden plover]

Yeah if I'm like dead I'm not sitting there going "fuck y'all". I'm just waiting to get killed

I've been hated out early before, but it's because I've been close to full combo

I've had people go "sorry you died so early" and it's just "if you didn't kill me, everyone else would have died"

[atomic harness]

Yeah thats reasonable imo

and it's also what I say when I aggro out people

[golden plover]

It is a game after all, someone has to win

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus @clever sun I got my paycheck and I'm so tempted to buy urza lord high artificer

[fallow citrus]

[glad peak]

It’s the cheapest it’s been for a while so go for it

[clever sun]

If you can afford it go for it

[fallow citrus]

prerelease gave me phyrexian nahiri, normal lukka and toxic colossal dreadmaw

[fallow citrus]

sigh every time I play paper mtg it makes me want to play constructed in paper

[glad peak]

Then play it

Modern is actually pretty fun even with so many naysayers

[fallow citrus]

I know it is, I just don't have the money to play modern irl right now

[copper pecan]

been playing a bit of historic brawl with the new cards

[[skrelv's hive]] has been a lot better than i thought it would be so far

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/34/skrelvs-hive

Skrelv's Hive <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life and create a 1/1 colorless Phyrexian Mite artifact creature token with toxic 1 and "This creature can't block."
Corrupted — As long as an opponent has three or more poison counters, creatures you control with toxic have lifelink.

[copper pecan]

even in decks that don't run any other poison cards it's not that hard to reach corrupted

[twilit canyon]

unholy heat

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[trail anvil]

this art is fire too

[golden plover]

That art is really sick. Too bad it's top 4 players for regionals only

[clever sun]

SICK

[golden plover]

So my friend has started doing something very fun to his main deck

[twilit canyon]

skrelv's hive is actually kinda nuts

curve of hive -> wedding announcement is lowkey broken

solphim is solid too

[copper pecan]

yeah it's been performing much better than i expected

i thought the tokens not being able to block would be more relevant than it ended up being

[trail anvil]

are you running any other poison cards alongside it to reach corrupted or just using it as a bitterblossom?

[twilit canyon]

im using the corrupted divination and counterspell

1 sec

let me just post the list

[atomic harness]

Mite

[twilit canyon]

skrelv is nice nice

no surprise that the hive is in turn nutty as hell

[trail anvil]

looks really fun tbh

[trail anvil]

I keep getting queued into end the festivities monored this is torture

[twilit canyon]

end the festivities might be proving to be insanely good in standard tho ngl

so this deck might be dead on arrival bc of it

[trail anvil]

maybe I just need to yeet this into ranked so matchmaking won't fix me with that lol

[twilit canyon]

well if mono-red is gonna be meta then ur kinda out of luck tho

and i think solphim might be that one last card red needed

[trail anvil]

oof

[twilit canyon]

red is already good

solphim def pushes them hard

end the festivities for example under solphim

[trail anvil]

I'm kinda terrified of some of these cards but I'm so glad they have amazing art

[twilit canyon]

i think this set is actually kinda weak overall

but there are some good cards in it still obvs

but not as many as other sets in the past

[atomic harness]

True kidge

[twilit canyon]

still

dont underestimate cards in the set

and expect them to show up still

[atomic harness]

Yea understandable

[glad peak]

Cartographer’s survey and expand the sphere being so similar has potential to be great because valakut and explore control and 6-8 copies of the same effect but I have no idea how it’ll work

[rigid scarab]

I do sometimes get tilted in EDH pods

Mainly from when there's no communication on decks and we have High Opt with a precon

Or when someone is CONSTANTLY explaining their boardstate to explain how it's unbeatable

Other cases usually stem from just problem players

[fallow citrus]

https://twitter.com/cwscherer/status/1623169011495075841?t=YJoAUWc-S1btDuB6MmP3Pg&s=19

Caleb Scherer (@cwscherer)

So I finally got my hands on some rotpriests for the stream tomorrow

Twitter · Feb 8, 2023, 3:57 AM

lol, lmao even

[trail anvil]

this deck is fun

extremely unoptimized but fun

[clever sun]

Look at those dudes

Annex Sentry is a sleeper good card

Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up seeing a lot of play

[trail anvil]

I feel like it shouldn't be too sleeper, toxic + defensive statline + flexibility on exile makes it really nice as a tempo card

3 or less means it misses mid to lategame threats but it seems so nice

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/DInA1aOjWW4

Just bonk

but also tokens

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8QFmDcq5nQ&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

[lusty trench]

Think I've almost got everything I wanted out of one except the poliferate doubler

[sudden lava]

Chiss Goria and Urtet made it to the episode in different decks

[fallow citrus]

what are we thinking is going to be good in standard after ONE

[twilit canyon]

mono-red and white will remain good

so will esper and grixis

crokeyz has been toying with a jund midrange list that seems to be playing all the right cards

[trail anvil]

I still wanna see if gruul goes anywhere

[fallow citrus]

oh jund could be fun

might just put some upgrades into mono red so I can farm packs to play other decks

[twilit canyon]

if theres a gruul deck

it would be a gruul spell deck

with spells targeting venerated rotpriest to build up poison counters as fast as possible

thinking something like this

[twilit canyon]

well then

bo1 arena is just rotpriest mirrors

ug or rg

wait shit i forgot tyvar's last stand is a card

[clever sun]

This set has two of the best combat tricks ever

[twilit canyon]

blazing crescendo is nuts

[trail anvil]

I feel like I'm seeing mostly ug cause people wanna play the copy cheese

[lusty trench]

Welp I just saw someone call new atraxa the next griselbrand

That's enough magic twitter for one day

[trail anvil]

is this something

[lusty trench]

It's err

Seems fun at least?

Okay so please someone tell me if I'm crazy or not... But I think new elesh is kinda eh

I honestly think the best part of her is the stat line

[golden plover]

Yeah I think she's not amazing

She's nice but she got overhyped

[fallow citrus]

seems like green to me

[last glen]

What lands should I swap out of the pioneer gruul manabase for the new fastlands

[fallow citrus]

what's in the manabase already

[last glen]

Shocks, pains, slows, and modals

then the cycle lands, creature lands, and other colorless utility lands

[fallow citrus]

can I get an exact list?

[last glen]

I'm really speaking generally here

but here's a Gruul Vehicles/Midrange off MTG Goldfish
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pioneer-gruul-midrange-8ba0e264-3c03-4dc8-af55-cfa71f29ff7c#paper
and my Gruul Dinosaurs list (that's basically your list that you gave to me)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/v2QO-mlQR0Oi5a_DCvO1HQ

[fallow citrus]

I would probably say cut the modals for them

not sure how good manlands are in pioneer

[twilit canyon]

fast lands slot in over some copies of the slow lands and some of the pathways

depends on your ratio for each deck

for this deck, id cut 3 paths and 1 slow land

[last glen]

I'd cut the manlands in my dino deck because they anti-synergy with Marauding Raptor
but they're better in meta decks

[twilit canyon]

they shouldnt be?

i guess den tokens die to raptor

[lusty trench]

Man the more I look at sheoldreds edict the more I love it

[fallow citrus]

that card and obliterator are kind of the only reasons I want to try jund in standard

[twilit canyon]

i dont think u need either card

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzQJpf2kGhk

crokeyz was messing around with this

cus hes convinced tyvar is the best card in the set

[fallow citrus]

I'll give that a watch tomorrow

need me some sleep for work

[twilit canyon]

[fallow citrus]

[lusty trench]

Honestly this might be my favourite set since kamigawa

The limited format isn't great but the cards are so fun

[twilit canyon]

in terms of aesthetic yea

its sick

in terms of playables? im glad most are shit

its just unfortunate that limited is actually awful

[lusty trench]

My pre release was kinda miserable

I wasn't having fun at all despite getting my favourite colours (white black)

[trail anvil]

I'm fuckin having a blast

misread this as soldiers then played into temporary lockdown and still styled on them

[lusty trench]

double wanderer and enjanjo

Sorry, TRIPLE wanderer

[trail anvil]

I only run 3 right now too

idk what the proper ratio is

rn this deck's biggest weakness seems to be getting aggro'd out but I'm trying to work through it

current list

[lusty trench]

This looks super good

Dear lord anoint with affliction must go crazy in here

Yeah I think vraska is my favourite card in the set

[trail anvil]

the biggest challenge for me always seems to be actually reaching corrupted lol

but yeah past that point skrelv's hive goes hard as hell

most threats I've been removing have been 3cmc or less honestly but that'll probably change over time

crawling chorus has been seriously underperforming in some matchups so I might just switch it out for that deathtouch toxic 1 drop, but it pairs so well with kaya and wedding announcement

[twilit canyon]

oh you're in orzhov

was gonna recommend

prologue to phyresis

[trail anvil]

[[prologue to phyresis]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/65/prologue-to-phyresis

Prologue to Phyresis <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Each opponent gets a poison counter.
Draw a card.
"Please, for science, tell me how it feels. Leave nothing out."

[trail anvil]

ah yeah this one

honestly I could probably pivot to esper with this and a bunch more proliferate over the low cost units I have

[waxen timber]

Esper also gives you Voidwing Hybrid which just seems so good for any proliferate deck

[last glen]

maybe this year Naya will be real in Pioneer
(it will not be)

[glad peak]

With better fast lands, it’s possible

But no not dinos

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfhIM5s95Vk

[atomic harness]

is white sun not worth running?

[trail anvil]

I don't have it yet idk

[twilit canyon]

in bo1 its a good 1 of

in bo3 you might wanna side it

[subtle sierra]

siiigh mtga installer doesn't work, and idk if it's me being on linux or just mtga being stupid

[twilit canyon]

its probably a bit of both

i think arena is still buggy as hell on linux

[subtle sierra]

it's just that i think i encountered the installer doing nothing before, and idr how i fixed it

i can (painfully) live through updates breaking shit and be having to yeet all the game data to redownload every patch

but i can't even reach that

unless like

anyone mind zipping up their MTGALauncher folder and sending it to me?

lol

[twilit canyon]

😭

im fucked

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

wotc saw i was winning too much money off them

they had to nerf me

[fallow citrus]

looked at that jund list btw misty

looks pretty cool ngl

[twilit canyon]

yea i agree

i would do minor adjustments to it but besides that, its a very cool deck to prop up

[atomic harness]

[fallow citrus]

so yeah might just upgrade my mono red list and then farm packs to play jund

does monored have more from one other than solphim

[twilit canyon]

this deck is really not as potent as ppl seem to think it is

[glad peak]

All will be one so you 2 card combo

[fallow citrus]

only really playable in modern imo

until standard gets storm cards in MOM obviously

[subtle sierra]

mtga has a lutris script

how did i not think of this

[trail anvil]

as always with the hyped deck of the pack

actually that's not accurate

with the cheese that inevitably arises from the set

[golden plover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/StarCityBen/status/1623374052457910290?t=FA338FRBLSfFgpEn-sdjyA&s=19

Ben Bleiweiss (@StarCityBen)

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Twitter · Feb 8, 2023, 5:31 PM

They clarified real cards and con exclusive

They wouldn't try and do the dragon con thing again, right?

This has to be basically psuedo SL prints

[copper pecan]

it's probably cards from march of the machines

they did the same thing in avacyn restored

[golden plover]

Would make sense

As long as it's not something exclusive to a single con again

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK_tXCQuXX8&ab_channel=ElderDragonHijinks

[lusty trench]

Might be previewing some battle cards maybe?

[golden plover]

That'd make sense. Guess we'll know in a few days

[hidden ermine]

They could be battle yeah

[lusty trench]

I'm gonna look at battles and say "this could've just been an enchantment" aren't I

...I just realized that battles if actually good become immediately better because we have no way to remove them except target permanent deatruction

[fallow citrus]

We don't even know if they're permanents yet

[lusty trench]

Dear lord

[twilit canyon]

could very well be spicy instants or sorceries

[fallow citrus]

could include a whole new zone for cards

whatever they are though I can guarantee most people will be disappointed or upset in some way

[lusty trench]

Last card type introduced was... Planes walker right? Not including like conspiracies or other non legal card type

[fallow citrus]

tribal and planeswalker iirc

bc they were both on goyf

[copper pecan]

planeswalker came out later

tribal was actually in future sight

whereas planeswalkers weren't until the next set

they were just mentioned on goyf

[fallow citrus]

oh sure

[zinc shard]

tmw you forget you already have 4 Phyrexian Obliterator from an Anthology set

[copper pecan]

why did they change the design on him

the old design was so good

the new one looks like a digimon

[lusty trench]

@golden plover your the stax edh player here right? Do you think elesh will go in stax decks?

[golden plover]

I don't see her bringing much to stax

If it's a stax deck where you really want her etbs maybe?

But you can play [[Hushbringer]] for half the price

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/18/hushbringer

Hushbringer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Faerie
Flying, lifelink
Creatures entering the battlefield or dying don't cause abilities to trigger.
"Let's begin this conversation again, and this time you will only listen."
1/2

[golden plover]

This also kills death triggers

[glad peak]

I don’t like mommy but if the mono white guy builds a stax deck around her I’m all too happy to sell for a premium

[golden plover]

I just don't even see her being that prevalent in stax

[lusty trench]

Then yeah I think elesh is going to dip when players realise she's a worse panharmonicon

[golden plover]

Yeah probably

I'd say sell before the price drops

[glad peak]

True but the mono white guy is known to build weird stax decks and is now someone who probably can increase prices on things

Tbh I think I’ll just keep it for now since panharmonicon effects usually don’t go down due to people liking the effect

On the other hand, selling my prerelease pool to buy a monke is tempting

[lusty trench]

Finally got everything I needed from one

[sudden lava]

wait we may see battle cards soon?!

[atomic harness]

Whats the story this time

[copper pecan]

this is literally complaining about there being too many reprints

the things this article is asking for would be terrible for the playerbase

like it's literally saying the game should be more expensive

by "consumer" it doesn't mean people who actually play the game, it means people trying to make money off of it

[twilit canyon]

yea its trying to appeal to the general publics perception that magic is somehow worse by reprinting a lot of cards

and is trying to convince ppl that

this is not actually okay

in fact, they should make cards more expensive for the collectors

[copper pecan]

i'm all for criticizing hasbro when they do something dumb but this is not one of those times

[rigid scarab]

Just Hasbro stock going down I think

[atomic harness]

understandable re: salt misty sickle

right now I'm trying to get my hands on urza LHA

Probably going to be my last major purchase for a while

[rigid scarab]

Ghost take

Working towards getting an Ashnod deck and actually getting to use my sleeves

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus @twilit canyon @clever sun

old man

[lusty trench]

Nicceeee

[fallow citrus]

good shit

[past socket]

Not normally a Magic gamer per se but I was curious about what Burn is like in Magic and it’s formats

[glad peak]

Aggro deck that focuses on using small fast bois to get in damage while using burn spells to finish out a game or remove creatures to get in with smol bois

Sometimes playing control as burn is optimal and the hardest part to master in the deck

[fallow citrus]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/burn-a2dd1132-5301-4882-907a-7b668da3b58a

basically yeah, denying your opponent resources by killing their creatures over burning them and then just chipping away

[atomic harness]

I officially have an infinite now

[fallow citrus]

let's gooooo

[twilit canyon]

nice nice

[lusty trench]

This makes infinite flying 1/1s and infinite blue mana right? First time actually seeing the foundry sword combo

[fallow citrus]

yeah

you just make infinite thopters and threaten a kill

if you have a haste enabler it just is a kill

[atomic harness]

Infinite flying 1/1s and infinite life yee
technically infinite blue too

[fallow citrus]

if only you had red access so you could play like

[[bitter reunion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/127/bitter-reunion

Bitter Reunion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
When Bitter Reunion enters the battlefield, you may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards.
, Sacrifice Bitter Reunion: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
The peace summit proved the grudge between Urza and Mishra could end only in blood.

[fallow citrus]

or other haste things

[atomic harness]

Oo yeah I dont think theres much that gives haste in UBW

[fallow citrus]

I suppose

just use your infinite mana to play [[akroma's memorial]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial

Akroma's Memorial <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Legendary Artifact
Creatures you control have flying, first strike, vigilance, trample, haste, and protection from black and from red.
"No rest. No mercy. No matter what." —Memorial inscription

[atomic harness]

[fallow citrus]

but I think we're flying too close to the sauce there

[atomic harness]

I think I'm okay with just having infinite mana life and thopters yeah

They should scoop at that point

Also his 5 eff is so fun to pull off

I technically get infinite activations of that too

[golden plover]

Yeah I mean you don't need haste if they have to combo to kill you or you'll do it again

[lusty trench]

Take an extra turn cards then

It's a form of haste

[golden plover]

Could always throw a top in there too

[lusty trench]

[atomic harness]

Oh time sieve right
thats what my other friend uses

[golden plover]

Top gets you infinite draws

Oh wait no it doesn't. Forgot what Esper Urza did

[atomic harness]

Ah

[golden plover]

Top is still nice tho

[atomic harness]

I'll look into both, thanks!

I will say though that the combo is mostly secondary, since the usual gameplan is to go tall or wide with artifact creatures then menace unga bunga

[golden plover]

True. Top can also just function as a utility artifact. Lets you stack your deck and draw cards

Although, it's still about $40 iirc

[[Sensei's Divining Top]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/314/senseis-divining-top

Sensei's Divining Top <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
: Look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
: Draw a card, then put Sensei's Divining Top on top of its owner's library.

[golden plover]

Oh $20ish now

[atomic harness]

thats not too bad

[glad peak]

You should run cards like winter orb for esper urza

[atomic harness]

[[winter orb]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as Winter Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[atomic harness]

Oh but this hurts me too no? I dont really have that many sac or effects to tap this consistently

maybe if blue urza was my commander

[glad peak]

It hurts you, sure, but if you have esper urza out early (with affinity), you can quickly overwhelm the game with his end of turn ability

Also it’s just funny

[atomic harness]

OH I get it now, yeah that sounds cute actually

[glad peak]

Run stasis too

[atomic harness]

A fair bunch of my mana actually comes from artifact creatures, cost reduction and the rocks too

so maybe it's not as bad

[glad peak]

Oh and drannith magistrate and ravages of war

[atomic harness]

[[ravages of war]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/me2/27/ravages-of-war

Ravages of War <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all lands.
"Thorn bushes spring up wherever the army has passed. Lean years follow in the wake of a great war." —Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching, trans. Feng and English

[golden plover]

And Ghostly Prison, [[Graffdigger's Cage]], and Smothering Tithe

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/227/grafdiggers-cage

Grafdigger's Cage <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Creature cards in graveyards and libraries can't enter the battlefield.
Players can't cast spells from graveyards or libraries.
"Best bury them right. We don't want any gruesome encores." —Constable Trosk

[glad peak]

Ghostly prison is kind of meh

Run thalia tho

[atomic harness]

I was thinking about tithe but I passed it up for urza LHA

[glad peak]

And esper sentinel to tie it all together

[atomic harness]

what about the magic fish that lets you draw a billion?

remora

[golden plover]

Remora, yeah

And Rhystic Study

[glad peak]

Remora’s good

Add shredder

[golden plover]

We're just building you a goodstuff list at this point

[atomic harness]

[golden plover]

Throw in a land tax

[glad peak]

Oh and with all that draw might as well play thoracle, and if you play thoracle, might as well play consultation, 1 of each land (including basics), and pact

[golden plover]

Oh and war tef, and narset, might as well run windfall with narset

[atomic harness]

[[ghostly prison]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/voc/87/ghostly-prison

Ghostly Prison <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
Though the spirits' bodies were ethereal, Agnur soon learned that their blades were quite solid—and razor-sharp.

[atomic harness]

Oh I've been using [[crawlspace]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c13/240/crawlspace

Crawlspace <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
No more than two creatures can attack you each combat.
Lord Rondor arrived for battle with sixty war elephants, ten catapults, and two hundred of his finest archers. Then he saw the battlefield . . .

[golden plover]

Crawlspace is better for artifacts yeah

[glad peak]

[[silent arbiter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c20/250/silent-arbiter

Silent Arbiter <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Construct
No more than one creature can attack each combat.
No more than one creature can block each combat.
Scholars say that arbiters exist on every world, created by an unknown hand to enforce justice.
1/5

[atomic harness]

It's like one of my few ways to not die to my friend

he plays this millicent thing and often has like 20+ weenie 1/1 spirits that are super hard to chump block

so with crawl he basically cant kill me

usually just send 2 thopters to block him and call it a day

[golden plover]

Oh as well throw in [[Grand Abolisher]] too

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https://scryfall.com/card/e01/12/grand-abolisher

Grand Abolisher <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
During your turn, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities of artifacts, creatures, or enchantments.
"Your superstitions and mumblings are useless chaff before my righteousness."
2/2

[glad peak]

Silent arbiter is actually pretty poggies with esper urza

Unblockable increasingly more powerful constructs is nice

[atomic harness]

Oh silent makes it so your big ass menace karnstruct is actually going to connect yeah, interesting

I was thinking about rogue's passage

[golden plover]

Always a good choice

[glad peak]

Oh right run urza’s saga and retrofitter’s foundry

[golden plover]

There's the cloak too. What's it called?

[[Shadow Cloak]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/m15/113/shadowcloak-vampire

Shadowcloak Vampire <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire
Pay 2 life: Shadowcloak Vampire gains flying until end of turn. (It can't be blocked except by creatures with flying or reach.)
"My favorite guilty pleasure? Are there innocent ones?"
4/3

[golden plover]

Not that one

[atomic harness]

Yeah I'd like to get a saga but kind of budgeting my purchases since we're upgrading as a group

[glad peak]

And of course, all the artifact lands you can

[atomic harness]

The precon came w most of the good ones

[glad peak]

When I say all

I mean ALL

It’ll be easy to run tainted pact by then

[golden plover]

I was way off. It's [[Whispersilk Cloak]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/phed/22/whispersilk-cloak

Whispersilk Cloak <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature can't be blocked and has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equip

[atomic harness]

[[tainted pact]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ody/164/tainted-pact

Tainted Pact <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile the top card of your library. You may put that card into your hand unless it has the same name as another card exiled this way. Repeat this process until you put a card into your hand or you exile two cards with the same name, whichever comes first.

[glad peak]

Tainted pact is literally 2 mana get any card from your deck to hand btw

Sure you might exile most of your deck but

Coincidentally you just kill with thoracle

[atomic harness]

Uhh here's my current list so far

not super amazing or anything but I've been doing okay

Urza LHA is the newest addition

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5391280#paper

[glad peak]

Another route you can go is full on no creatures except hullbreaker

And run polymorph effects to leverage the tokens you’re making

[atomic harness]

aww but I like running artifact creatures

[glad peak]

And you shall have them

Just without the creature type while it’s in your hand

But yeah you can go stax, dnt, or polymorph with a combo finish in each variant

One funny one you can do is humility and just a bunch of cards that make thopters so you can flunge every turn

Turns out [[humility]] is a good card

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https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility

Humility <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
All creatures lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 1/1.
"One cannot cleanse the wounds of failure." —Karn, silver golem

[lusty trench]

Just took infinite extra turns with ichormoon and one with mechanised production

Feels good

[atomic harness]

Nice

[lusty trench]

Not sure if I should try to pick up an elesh soon, I have a feeling they're gonna tank when people realise she's mid but old elesh is still money even though that cards actually just bad

[golden plover]

Old Elesh is unironically better

She kills chumps and grows your guys

[lusty trench]

I'm just... I don't know I have a feeling casual commander players will latch onto her

[golden plover]

Probably

They've latched onto worse cards

[lusty trench]

Like I'd compare it to ancient copper but at least that does something

[granite badge]

I like new Norn coneceptually

doesn't seem like a bad card by any means

compared to the old one though... yeah not a contest

[golden plover]

She's not bad, but she's not crazily useful

[glad peak]

She’s a panharmonicon effect in white and in the command zone, that alone will make her coveted

Not to say she’s good but people like those effects

[lusty trench]

Yay my tekuthal arrived

I'm quite happy with my atraxa deck now, if things go as they should it goes lethal around turn 6-7?

[atomic harness]

Friends I won edh today, group of 6

Dovin's Vetoed a boardwipe that wipes everything but lands

eventually got hit w a second not as bad wipe but I managed to rebuild and take over the game

[[cranial plating]] continued to be a monster, same with Foundry Inspector

people were shocked that I was hitting for 6 turn 3

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/245/cranial-plating

Cranial Plating <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 for each artifact you control.
: Attach Cranial Plating to target creature you control.
Equip

[atomic harness]

They offered a lot of resistance of course, urza got picked off like three times

but affinity for artifact creatures means I got to recast him just fine

[atomic harness]

One guy was like "what the F*** is wrong with that ornithopter of paradise, it's attacking for 8?!!"

[lusty trench]

Tfw your thopter was hitting harder than a phyrexian death machine and demons from hell

[lusty trench]

The fact I've found out vorinclex into new vraska kills helps my deck immensely

[atomic harness]

@dapper jacinth

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEyZH3299tg

[atomic harness]

Good vid, but it sucks that it might be the last one

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/jk5gm4ydgkha1.jpg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=de67aea6b87df2497b200ecddcfd735107713901

We should get this cycle in real mtg

[copper pecan]

only if the original duals get banned in every format

[golden plover]

That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for Legally Printable Gross Field

[hidden ermine]

Oh thats hilarious

If you take 5 lethal damage from a source of lifelink that you control, do you lose?

[copper pecan]

no

the lifelink pushes you back above zero before your life total is checked

[hidden ermine]

It doesnt check inbetween then? Gotcha

https://i.redd.it/la5cx4n1umha1.png

... they're not even hiding the fact that they're trying to do the MCU thing anymore, are they?

[golden plover]

Wow that's ugly as hell

It's like first year graphic design

[lusty trench]

Actual borderlands intro screen

[golden plover]

It's terrible

[burnt relic]

graphic design is their passion

[hidden ermine]

I dont think its ugly tbh

I just think its too 90s

[golden plover]

I do like the color combo, I just think it's really ugly and theyre trying too hard to be the MCU

Although tbf so was all of ONE

[glad peak]

oh hey my theory was right

time for the time travel to get the other sylex and set some stuff up arc and accidentally save tybalt arc

[trail anvil]

it's the correct design for energy drink packaging but not for this

[dapper jacinth]

This an upgrade of the urza commander deck?

[golden plover]

Lmao true

I wanna see what it looks like on a pack, since I can't see it not looking silly as hell

Just that logo with like Chandra or Norn or whatever

[dapper jacinth]

Now im torn between branded despia, dragon link and my tyranids deck

[glad peak]

branded despia or dragon link

[dapper jacinth]

Thought i was editing

[glad peak]

then use the money you win from locals to build an actual good commander deck

[dapper jacinth]

You trying to tell me tyranid swarm isn't good?

Or that i can just build a better tyranid deck afterwards

[dapper jacinth]

Also I'm not going to locals rn

Because my local locals is at an awkward time for me

[glad peak]

i mean, precons in general arent very strong decks

but also yes you can build a better one if you start winning locals (if you went to them)

[dapper jacinth]

Yeah i have a slightly upgraded shorikai deck, a slightly upgraded kathril deck and a base tyranid precon with the cooler commander

But yeah good idea

So

I guess the only real thing is that i just need the bystials for dlink

So dlink is cheaper

So i should finish dlink

[fallow citrus]

man rotpriest in modern is actually better than I expected

[dapper jacinth]

Is that from the ruinous power precon?

Just sounds like a nurgle card

[fallow citrus]

nope it's from the latest set

[[rotpriest]]

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Multiple cards match “rotpriest”, can you be more specific?

[fallow citrus]

[[venerated rotpriest]]

[[venerated rotpriest]] (edited)

Send a message in "Magic the Gathering"

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/192/venerated-rotpriest

Venerated Rotpriest <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Phyrexian Druid
Toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
Whenever a creature you control becomes the target of a spell, target opponent gets a poison counter.
"This was once a peaceful spring, but I wouldn't advise taking a sip." —Melira
1/2

[fallow citrus]

I am going to cry I hate this bot

[glad peak]

yep, rotpriest is sick

it was one of the most obvious modern playable cards that might bring back infect (slightly unlikely) but it seems like it actually brought back storm

[subtle sierra]

ngl, i've redownloaded mtga recently, and toxic as a mechanic is beyond unfun to me

i'll prob skip standard until it rotates

which means a few years

fun

[glad peak]

wait what don't you like about toxic?

the number of toxic usually coincides with half of the power of the creature (except for things that would kill you if you dont kill it immediately regardless), balancing it out

[lusty trench]

People just hate alt win cons

It be how it be

[subtle sierra]

i just don't like that, even if i counter an aggressive deck through bodies, and i keep my health up, they just put a rotpriest and ivy, activate two cards and just win

like i know i'm not playing the best deck, but i feel like i should be rewarded for defending myself against a deck that wants to bash my face in fast, yet i just get fucked

[glad peak]

tbh rotpriest without toxic could've been printed at literally any time in standard (see: fynn)

also i think decks with rotpriest and ivy are usually combo control decks, not aggro

[granite badge]

the biggest issue with Poision and Proliferate being in the same set is the moment you get a posion counter Profileration becomes functional damage

I can imagine its frustrating because its a clock you can't interact with

[glad peak]

But that’s the point of having poison and proliferate in the same set, that was the intention

[atomic harness]

Yeppers

[twilit canyon]

the biggest issue to poison and proliferate is that together they absolutely can wreck control and midrange

aggro decks will out-race the poison

venerated rotpriest combo is the exception in a sense? but the deck itself collapses in bo3

[atomic harness]

Tell them misty

I trust you kidge

[twilit canyon]

i welcome this bc its been such a boring midrange fest in standard for so long

its about time for a change of pace

[atomic harness]

misty do I pick up blink and ink nexus

[twilit canyon]

neither in edh?

[atomic harness]

Oh not worth?

[twilit canyon]

nope

inkmoth i guess

but even then

[atomic harness]

I'll ask Caster for some recs later

I asked my playgroup about arcbound ravager but they're like "nah is fine you don't need it"

[twilit canyon]

arcbound is also not the best in edh

but its a very broken card

hard not to recommend it

[atomic harness]

Yeah caster told me to find one

I guess the super big boy purchase is urza's saga but I'm holding off on it

[twilit canyon]

saga is nuts

[atomic harness]

You usually get sol ring with it right? and try to set it up so you can summon the karnstruct once chapter 2 hits

[twilit canyon]

you get whatever you want or need at the moment

[atomic harness]

uhh so far skullclamp and sol ring come to mind
maybe the gy nukers too?

[twilit canyon]

saga can grab graveyard hate, ability hate

like pithing needle

[atomic harness]

oh yeah wow

[twilit canyon]

can get [[aether spellbomb]] in your list

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https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/456/aether-spellbomb

Aether Spellbomb <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, Sacrifice Aether Spellbomb: Return target creature to its owner's hand.
, Sacrifice Aether Spellbomb: Draw a card.
"Release that which was never caged." —Spellbomb inscription

[atomic harness]

one last q, are you able to tap for colorless before it sacs itself to search an artifact? (or make another karnstruct)

[twilit canyon]

yes

and yes

[atomic harness]

holy fuck

[twilit canyon]

you must hold priority for it but yes

[broken fjord]

Grabbing Grafdiggers off of saga won me a game. It's such a versatile land.

[broken fjord]

I actually pulled an extra copy from the list if you want it, renren.

[atomic harness]

Oh unfort I'm super far away from you Ck

[[grafdiggers]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/227/grafdiggers-cage

Grafdigger's Cage <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Creature cards in graveyards and libraries can't enter the battlefield.
Players can't cast spells from graveyards or libraries.
"Best bury them right. We don't want any gruesome encores." —Constable Trosk

[atomic harness]

Glad to hear it though

[broken fjord]

You in eu?

[atomic harness]

Farther

[broken fjord]

Dang

[dapper jacinth]

[[eerie ultimatum]] is why grafdiggers is necessary

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/184/eerie-ultimatum

Eerie Ultimatum <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Return any number of permanent cards with different names from your graveyard to the battlefield.
"The ground under our feet is a record of every slight against the world, to be avenged at a time of its choosing." —Gavi, nest warden

[dapper jacinth]

[[kathril]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c20/10/kathril-aspect-warper

Kathril, Aspect Warper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Nightmare Insect
When Kathril, Aspect Warper enters the battlefield, put a flying counter on any creature you control if a creature card in your graveyard has flying. Repeat this process for first strike, double strike, deathtouch, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, reach, trample, and vigilance. Then put a +1/+1 counter on Kathril for each counter put on a creature this way.
3/3

[dapper jacinth]

This is the deck i use it in

Funny voltron

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus people have been allying with me more often now

I think it's probably because they dont want to get bashed in the face with menace constructs

it's beneficial for me still even if they dont do much, one less threat to worry about

[fallow citrus]

pog nice

[dapper jacinth]

Lol its fine ill use all my pilot tokens shorikai generates

Ok i don't actually have intruder alarm but it's funny

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry do you wanna see something I got with the kash money

[sleek ferry]

Let’s see it

[sleek ferry]

Added it to@your Urza build or replaced new Urza as your commander?

[atomic harness]

Part of the 99 for now