Magic the Gathering

[atomic harness]

also bruh I got told by the group leader to "keep up, everyone's upgrading/buying more"

I've changed 28 cards already

added more removal, counterspells, artifact synergies

[twilit canyon]

are they spending hundreds??

[atomic harness]

I dont think so

nobody has broken the $50 mark yet even

outside of him when he broke the rule of precon and decided to bring an entirely new deck w a new commander

having this thopter chick as his commander (4 colors), the urza that lets you tap for blue, saga, and the infinite thopter combo

so we killed him asap that game

I told him I already upgraded a third of the deck

he's like "but how much did you spend though"

I'm sorry I didnt know you had to buy super expensive stuff to upgrade the 99

I've always preferred relatively inexpensive additions that still work

[fallow citrus]

oh was it [[breya, etherium sculpter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/192/breya-etherium-shaper

Breya, Etherium Shaper <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Human
When Breya, Etherium Shaper enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 blue Thopter artifact creature tokens with flying.
, Sacrifice two artifacts: Choose one —
• Breya deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker.
• Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn.
• You gain 5 life.
4/4

[fallow citrus]

and yeah I don't get this

[atomic harness]

Yeah this one

[fallow citrus]

you can make very good upgrades without breaking the bank

[atomic harness]

Yems!

I'm looking into cheap faster lands right now

any ideas? Caves of K was inexpensive but adarkar seems to be a lot pricier

Underground River isnt too bad

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1066158618073894952/lea-203-ironroot-treefolk.jpg?width=485&height=676

how we feeling about this flavor text?

[atomic harness]

The stuff I want to replace is like

The chancery and the skycloud expanse

Maybe sea of clouds?

[fallow citrus]

nah don't get rid of sea of clouds it's good

[atomic harness]

oh I mean I'm getting sea

[fallow citrus]

ohhh right

[atomic harness]

Here are the non lands that give mana

Thran spooder might be meme but it gives me some politics

[fallow citrus]

i forgot how much i liked the old borders sheesh

[atomic harness]

they look so nice

[glad peak]

I like how the old old cards feel but I can understand why they won’t do it anymore

The threaded/bumpy lattice feeling

[trail anvil]

I saw incubation and was really excited, then saw what it did and got less excited

[fallow citrus]

yep lmao

[atomic harness]

They knew

[golden plover]

I wish it was like 3 mana to make the token

[trail anvil]

ayo?

[glad peak]

It’s hard to proliferate much, seems meh

[trail anvil]

there's a fuckton of proliferate in this set tho

[glad peak]

A ton of one off proliferate

Actually a ton might be overselling it

[golden plover]

And and

[subtle sierra]

Holy

And and

[trail anvil]

and and

[atomic harness]

Looks like "and" proliferated

[atomic harness]

How is [[Dovin's Veto]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/193/dovins-veto

Dovin's Veto <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
This spell can't be countered.
Counter target noncreature spell.
"I see you've learned nothing, Chandra. You'd still put a match to something rather than understand it."

[atomic harness]

looks cheapo and it protects me from board wipe into enemy counterspell stopping my counterspell

when ppl gang up on me

[zinc shard]

free sac outlet, albeit with some work required

[trail anvil]

this card sees a decent amount of play in older formats iirc

a counter spell that can't be countered is really nice to have in certain matchups

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

free sac outlet is still really nuts, even if it's once per turn for a draw you usually gotta pay mana

[atomic harness]

Nice, I picked it up alongside sea of clouds then since this one shop had both

[[sea of clouds]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/360/sea-of-clouds

Sea of Clouds

Land
Sea of Clouds enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.
: Add or .
A shoreless sea extends to every horizon, sharing its beauty only with those who can fly high enough to see it.

[trail anvil]

oh idk how good it is in edh

[atomic harness]

Probs fine tbh

a lot of people have blue so what happens is

I get ganged up by two blue peeps, one uses a board wipe, I use a counter spell, they counter my counter

[twilit canyon]

veto fundamentally destroyed control mirrors in formats it is legal in

[copper pecan]

yeah i remember it being crazy back when it was in standard

[trail anvil]

god I remember seeing at the reveal how fucked it was, I still can't believe wizards unironically printed this card

[twilit canyon]

veto is actually one of the most egregious designs of war of the spark for sure

it has also killed p much any other control deck in other formats that dont run white blue

[atomic harness]

poggers

also looks like someone is bringing the big boy cards, bought esper sentinel and urza's saga as upgrades

[lusty trench]

Narsets reversal is another good pick up

[glad peak]

So I did another dom remastered draft

Someone passes to me in pack 1

Sylvan library???

Ok then

[atomic harness]

Their goals are beyond your understanding

[glad peak]

I destroyed them in round 1 so their goal was not met

But yeah that was a good start to the morning

Abzan rock

[hidden ermine]

We havent had non-U/W/x control for a while in standard, no?

Last I can remember is Scarab God control

[trail anvil]

izzet was decent with strixhaven iirc

[atomic harness]

EI is a disgusting card

[trail anvil]

it became jeskai later down the line with hinata but that was after kamigawa

[twilit canyon]

izzet was carried by expressive iteration and the fact that veto wasnt in standard

[trail anvil]

ye veto is format warping, but uno was asking about a non-UW control in standard

you could probably honestly do dimir for a while with ashiok 5 too

[trail anvil]

fridge gif

actually nevermind this thing goes hard placing it on other permanents

[last glen]

yeah clearly you're supposed to use this to replenish oil counters on other things

[golden plover]

Hmm card that's only good in maybe 5% of decks or card that's good in 99% of decks? Who can say what the real issue is

[trail anvil]

did they plan to ban mommy or

[rigid scarab]

Honestly I'm really iffy on this whole 'gain value from poison counters' mechanic

At least for EDH

Which is a good thing

Gaining value from poison counters is absolutely best in 1v1

[last glen]

Sheldon was talking it up
don't think the committee has voted on it, though

[golden plover]

Sheldon said he wanted to and that he asked wotc not to print it

[waxen timber]

Imagine all the fun and cool cards that RC said to not print and we never heard about

[languid quest]

Sol Ring isn't problem so it's not going any were

if some one can't deal with early Sol Ring then it's skill issue

[fallow citrus]

translation of that card from ages ago

by ages I mean like the other day

[atomic harness]

will oil be good?

[last glen]

Oil will be everywhere

Surely at least some of the oil cards will be good

The question is if oil synergy will be good

[fallow citrus]

I don't think oil's going to be fantastic tbh

I'd need to see all the oil counyer cards again

[trail anvil]

I don't remember being impressed by anything

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Watchful-Blisterzoa.png

this seems pretty bad

[copper pecan]

idk it's probably good in limited

a 4/4 with flying is no joke

in constructed it's def bad though

[trail anvil]

this one feels kinda black too

[thick island]

Just curious. Do people sell mtg cards in here? Or is this just mtg talk?

[atomic harness]

usually just mtg discussion

[twilit canyon]

we dont really allow the sale of non-yugioh things in the server and the only place to sell yugioh stuff is in #marketplace_discussion

[atomic harness]

Misty do you know of fast good duals that dont hurt the bank too much
U/W, W/B, or U/B
I picked up Sea of Clouds but got priced out of morphing pool and vault of champs

adarkar/underground river maybe? I already have caves of scoliosis

[twilit canyon]

painlands are fine

how are your rainbow lands looking

[atomic harness]

Uhh

[thick island]

Ah I see. I'm looking to buy mtg cards but can't find a server that sells them. Do you know any?

[atomic harness]

are they the ones that provide any color like spire of industry?

[twilit canyon]

nope

[twilit canyon]

yes

forbidden orchard, command tower, spire of industry

city of brass

[atomic harness]

Spire, Command Tower, Exotic Orchard, Path of Ancestry

[twilit canyon]

path of ancestry is mid

[atomic harness]

Yeah was hoping for something faster

my other buddy was on [[glimmervoid]] not sure how good that is

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/319/glimmervoid

Glimmervoid

Land
At the beginning of the end step, if you control no artifacts, sacrifice Glimmervoid.
: Add one mana of any color.
An empty canvas holds infinite possibilities.

[twilit canyon]

its decent

[atomic harness]

oh is it worth it to give someone free spirits

Might get adarkar, glimmer and underground river then

[twilit canyon]

yes getting them free spirits is almost always worth it

[atomic harness]

I could use that for politics

is there a trick to it? Like say 4 ppl
spread out the spirits so nobody like amasses a bunch, and give it to the least threatening ppl?

[twilit canyon]

yeah generally how u use it

also make sure not to feed ppl who can actually use the creatures

[atomic harness]

gotcha

tyty

[sudden lava]

@atomic harness want political draw?

[atomic harness]

hmm what do you have in mind summer? my colors are esper

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f0b1400-0608-47fd-9c73-b7730bcf6b7f.jpg?1644888600

give it someone with plenty of draw, and you get more draw yourself

[atomic harness]

I'll look into it, thank

[trail anvil]

also the card flavor is very uwu

[atomic harness]

also an artifact

[sudden lava]

yw

there is also this

https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/04f9eb05-7c1d-49f5-a9dc-c44e1a1add89.jpg?1625191741

they get a card at a price

[twilit canyon]

its not good at all dont run it

[atomic harness]

Yeah I'm just buying lands

and some other bs

[trail anvil]

the 1W indestructible 3/1

there it is

[trail anvil]

this damage might add up with menace

[fallow citrus]

and it's a soldier too

[glad peak]

Logbook is actually playable in 8cast

Nice

[fallow citrus]

not sure if you'd want to though

3 mana to play and then 1 blue to keep drawing

[glad peak]

3 mana to play isn’t too bad but yeah that’s the biggest hurdle

1 blue a turn to keep drawing is very good though

[sudden lava]

Looks like we have a cycle of 4 monocolor mana 5/5

[sudden lava]

someone is gonna infectious bite at the last second just to troll, got a feeling

[rigid scarab]

Infectious Bite is 100% going in an EDH Simic Copy deck

[atomic harness]

Oil counter monka

[last glen]

Part of me feels like
They should have compressed oil and infect into one mechanic

But maybe that's too much synergy

[golden plover]

I can see why they didn't. I just wish they used infect over toxic

Since we now have 3 incredibly similar mechanics

And only infect has been good

[atomic harness]

True

Infect is the goat

toxic and oil kinda

[last glen]

Oh right it's "toxic" now

[lusty trench]

Someone ping me when black gets another cool thing

[atomic harness]

is it bad that the only card I like so far

is soulless jailer

[lusty trench]

Elesh and the phyrexian gods are cool

Phyrexian arena is a good reprint

Other than that though

Eh

[golden plover]

There's a few cool cards

New Nahiri is crazy

And Jailer is insane, yeah

But overall, the set feels ehh

[lusty trench]

Honestly most of the mythic slot feels good so far

Other than the like... Idk phyrexian staff?

[atomic harness]

Neat

power level does feel like on the lower end though yeah

[sudden lava]

I like the 4 mana 5/5 cycle so far

[golden plover]

This is okay

[sudden lava]

on target permanent

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tekuthal-Inquiry-Dominus-Variant-Phyrexia-All-Will-One-Spoiler-265x370.png

[golden plover]

This feels like the worst one

He doesn't enable himself and he's the easiest to kill

[lusty trench]

I'm glad it's not whenever you would draw a card draw twice that many cards tho

[golden plover]

Yeah true

[lusty trench]

Some nice axtraxa super friends buffs here

[golden plover]

That or copy a spell

[lusty trench]

Do like them fairly well

[golden plover]

Copy a spell would have been fine for like 6 mana, but it's boring too

[sudden lava]

Im just hoping they reveal battles soon

[copper pecan]

battles aren't gonna be until next set

[golden plover]

Yeah already announced that

[atomic harness]

Saltdust do you know why artifacts bypass fear

is it because they cant be scared

[sudden lava]

oh

[atomic harness]

[lusty trench]

Tell that to vegeta

[golden plover]

This is probably really solid in the right deck

4/4 flier with haste that leaves the equipment behind

The equip cost is probably too much, but you're only equipping if the game gets grindy

[twilit canyon]

5 mana 4/4 flying haste but it has equip for 5? nah

[trail anvil]

for a rare I feel like that equip cost should've been lower

idk maybe the body + leftover equip is enough

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631289278479073303/1066891658689515693/tempFileForShare_20230122-221741.jpg?width=874&height=676

[golden plover]

I think treating it as the body with upside on death is better than treating it as an equip

And 5 mana puts it on par with [[Glorybringer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/134/glorybringer

Glorybringer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying, haste
You may exert Glorybringer as it attacks. When you do, it deals 4 damage to target non-Dragon creature an opponent controls. (An exerted creature won't untap during your next untap step.)
What the initiates face in the final trial is completely at Hazoret's discretion.
4/4

[waxen timber]

4 mana 4/4 dragons with upside sometimes don't see any play in these recent standards so, just that stat line doesn't always cut it

[golden plover]

Yeah true. I think it's probably great in limited tho

Might have a home in a standard or some other deck

[twilit canyon]

not standard

[golden plover]

He's playing with his praetor toys in this art too

What are they made of?

[broken fjord]

Guess the gameplan of Tekuthal is to spread his counters on all your stuff.

[twilit canyon]

metal?

what a strange character and i wonder if he means something to the greater story of phyrexia

[last glen]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/phyrexia-all-will-be-one-direction-part-2

[fallow citrus]

Flayed Gladiator - 1B

Creature - Phyrexian Skeleton (Common)

Corrupted - 2B: Return ~ from the graveyard to the battlefield tapped. You lose 1 life. Activate only if an opponent has 3 or more poison counters

2/2

Pestilent Siphoner (?) - 1B

Creature - Phyrexian Insect (Common)

Flying

Toxic 1

1/1

Stinging Hive Master - 2B

Creature - Phyrexian Wizard (Common)

Toxic 1

When ~ dies, create a Phyrexian Mite artifact creature token with toxic 1 and "this creature can't block"

3/2

Phyrexian Atlas - 3

Artifact (Common)

T: Add one mana of any color

Corrupted - Whenever ~ becomes tapped, each opponent with 3 or more poison counters lose 1 life

[sudden lava]

rustvine is not that good

[last glen]

one mana
but very slow

[copper pecan]

yeah it seems bad

[sudden lava]

Llanowar Elves but phyrexian, slower, and with barely any extra bulk

[twilit canyon]

its not llanowar

its [[arbor elf]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/160/arbor-elf

Arbor Elf <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Untap target Forest.
1/1

[last glen]

to be fair
this does untap any land

untap Nykthos let's go?

[sudden lava]

oh right arbor elves untaps, llanowar gives the green mana

[twilit canyon]

untap nykthos is nutty yeah

but its a very slow/mana intensive required to actually get the untap

[golden plover]

Pioneer hammer time?

[atomic harness]

indeed

[last glen]

It does require a red and white specifically

[twilit canyon]

theres already plenty of "pioneer hammer combos"

none of them have cracked the barrier to become good bc they fundamentally cant become what hammer time is in modern

[golden plover]

This and the cat probably makes the deck actually work

[twilit canyon]

for funny otks maybe

but thats not why hammer is good

hammer is good bc it plays quality cards like stoneforge -> batterskull or kaldra

or reality chip

puresteel paladin is huge in letting hammer grind as well

modern hammer can kill you on turn 2 easily yes but notably hammer can grind a deck out of the mid-game and finish them off

genuinely modern hammer may be one of the most misunderstood decks in recent history

the deck is such a farcry from being all-in on t2 kills

[atomic harness]

oo

[clever sun]

Let her cook

Hammer is very close to the evolution of Affinity in Modern

Traditional Affinity turned to Scales

But the grindy nature of Affinity is what Hammer does now

[twilit canyon]

[atomic harness]

[fallow citrus]

Atmosferic Surgeon - 1U

Creature - Phyrexian Wizard (Uncommon)

Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, put an oil counter on ~.

Remove an oil counter from ~: Target creature gains flying until the end of turn. Activate only as sorcery.

2/1

[fallow citrus]

Rib Skiff - 4

Artifact - Vehicle (Uncommon)

Toxic 2

When ~ enters the battlefield, draw a card

Crew 3

4/4

[fallow citrus]

Devoted Duelist

Creature - Phyrexian, Soldier

Toxic 1

As long as it's your turn, X has first strike.

Tyrannax Abomination

Creature - Phyrexian, Dinosaur

Haste

Toxic 3

[sudden lava]

another toxic dino 😮

[golden plover]

Salvo kills the whole god cycle in limited

Neat

New pod

[hidden ermine]

Thats interesting

Not very good though

[golden plover]

It's funny tho

[lusty trench]

I was about to type the same shit

Like in using this cause it's haha

[trail anvil]

tfw sorcery speed and doesn't kill sheoldred or mommy

[last glen]

Hmm

Five CMC for haste 4/4 seems a little weak

[last glen]

(functionally) three mana and sac a land to draw a card?
Seems okay

[fallow citrus]

they're worse horizon lands

did we already know this

[trail anvil]

yeah thrummingbird was in the first set of leaks

[glad peak]

All will be one’s wording suggests battles can be targeted for damage but then realized that you can’t target your own stuff

[fallow citrus]

I saw something about battles I thought was an interesting idea

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/10j4ws3/what_if_battles_were_locales_that_creatures_went/

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/extended-art-urtet-remnant-of-memnarch-rarity

Lmao they did it again

"Both rarities are right, don't worry about it"

[copper pecan]

i really hope battles aren't something your opponent can also complete

i feel like something like that would feel really bad

[golden plover]

It would, but it'd feel like it's lacking design space if it's something only you can do. Since there's already enchantments that do tat

Like the [[Quest for the Holy Relic]] cycle

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/33/quest-for-the-holy-relic

Quest for the Holy Relic <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast a creature spell, you may put a quest counter on Quest for the Holy Relic.
Remove five quest counters from Quest for the Holy Relic and sacrifice it: Search your library for an Equipment card, put it onto the battlefield, attach it to a creature you control, then shuffle.

[copper pecan]

i don't think anyone would run a quest card that risks your opponent getting the bonus instead of you in a competitive environment

and it would be really lame if they made a mechanic that was just completely dead on arrival like that

[golden plover]

Yeah true. But it'd also be really lame if they made the quest cards their own mechanic

They really need to do something that's way more unique than the "battle" name implies

[fallow citrus]

I mean initiative is a thing

but if they just make it initiative 2 it does devolve the game into who can keep initiative

[copper pecan]

i don't think initiative would make sense as an entire card type

as an emblem, sure

but a card type?

nah

[fallow citrus]

we'll have to wait and see anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper pecan]

i came up with an idea but then i realized my idea was literally just sagas

[golden plover]

I mean, that's what happened to legacy

And pauper

[golden plover]

Was replying to this

[fallow citrus]

yeah and it sucks to play against

[clever sun]

HE'S STILL GOING STRONG

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1067506667056545852/image.png

oh boy my favorite genre of legend, random guy mentioned on 2 cards from 20 years ago

[clever sun]

UGHFHG

I LOVE HIM

Three mana 5/4 Flying Haste that draws a card and makes it cost 0

Wait

fuck he's a commander card

I no longer care

[last glen]

Wait this is not standard legal?

[clever sun]

Nope

Look at the set symbol

It's for commander MoM

I'd have loved a deck with this in Standard/Alchemy or Historic

And I would definitely be brewing it in Modern

[fallow citrus]

if that was standard legal sheeeesh

[lusty trench]

INJECT THIS INTO MY VEINS

I LIVE AND BREATHE CASTING THIS WITH 6 TREASURES ON THE FIELD, THEN SACCING 3 FOR COST

Affinity checking before costs are paid will always be my favourite thing

[clever sun]

Why would you reduce your Affinity count willingly before this guy attacks?

[lusty trench]

Because I am bad at land ratios and thus need to sac the treasures to ensure I can pay cost

(I am simply bad at the game)

[last glen]

How did you get to six treasures without having three red

[lusty trench]

I am not a smart person

[golden plover]

Been sitting on a [[Smothering Tithe]] for 5 turns

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/31/smothering-tithe

Smothering Tithe <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player may pay . If the player doesn't, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"I await your donation." —Dasha, Orzhov priest

[sudden lava]

ooh I like chiss-goria

[fallow citrus]

[[tooth of chiss-goria]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/264/tooth-of-chiss-goria

Tooth of Chiss-Goria <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Flash
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
: Target creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.

[fallow citrus]

[[claw of chiss-goria]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “claw of chiss-goria”

[fallow citrus]

or is it uhh

[[fang of chiss-goria]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “fang of chiss-goria”

[fallow citrus]

I'm making cards up then

[lusty trench]

Scale

[fallow citrus]

[[scale of chiss-goria]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/236/scale-of-chiss-goria

Scale of Chiss-Goria <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Flash
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
: Target creature gets +0/+1 until end of turn.

[fallow citrus]

oh sure

[golden plover]

As for how you got the tithe in mono-red? Ragavan

[twilit canyon]

3 lands in mono-red with 6 treasures and you have ragavan?

[golden plover]

[[Unexpected Windfall]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/164/unexpected-windfall

Unexpected Windfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
Draw two cards and create two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Fortune favors the fortunate.

[golden plover]

This makes treasures

And I guess Face Breaker

[subtle sierra]

Isn't Big Score just a better Windfall?

[atomic harness]

[[Big Score]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/102/big-score

Big Score <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
Draw two cards and create two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"Unimaginable riches? I assure you, I have a vivid imagination."

[zinc shard]

Why didn't my tarmagoyf copy have any of tarmagoyfs abilities?

[rigid scarab]

What did you use to copy it?

[[Windfall]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/46/windfall

Windfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"Rich" is a relative term.

[rigid scarab]

Uh

[zinc shard]

[[Croaking Counterpart]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mid/215/croaking-counterpart

Croaking Counterpart <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Create a token that's a copy of target non-Frog creature, except it's a 1/1 green Frog.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Frog is the sincerest form of flattery.

[rigid scarab]

[[Tarmagoyf]]

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No card found for “Tarmagoyf”

[rigid scarab]

[[Tarmogoyf]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/235/tarmogoyf

Tarmogoyf <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Lhurgoyf
Tarmogoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1.
What doesn't grow, dies. And what dies grows the tarmogoyf.
*/1+*

[rigid scarab]

Oh

Tarmogoyf's text I believe is a condition on its stats

The frog just calls it a 1/1

I cant put it into words but

It makes snese in my head

[zinc shard]

i get what you mean

[trail anvil]

this card is fucking nuts

thick mana dork that turns into a 3/3 and exiles cards from graveyards

[atomic harness]

Pog

[twilit canyon]

actually good yeah

cant exile while making mana or when attacking

[trail anvil]

you mean can?

[twilit canyon]

can

yea

[trail anvil]

tbh I wonder if you run this in monogreen

cause this can be used to ramp into that 5 drop or you could go some oil counter synergies with that 4 drop that sacrifices itself

esp since scooze isn't in standard anymore

[atomic harness]

You should tbh

[twilit canyon]

might be okay?

would require mono-green to be a thing again though

i actually do like this in alchemy mono-green

though tbf

more and more does the deck just want a 3rd color and this being a wubrg dork further pushes a splash

*2nd

[trail anvil]

I'm kinda seeing it in standard, that toxic 3-drop seems like a decent body to fill the curve

and the new thrun seems like a really nice value drop

[trail anvil]

duress staying in standard as usual

[twilit canyon]

iirc duress is evergreen

[trail anvil]

as it should be, with negate

[twilit canyon]

i just dont know yet how mono-green will look

as i said with alchemy green, its becoming increasingly less likely you want to be purely green

[trail anvil]

so many of these equips have cool effects that apply to the whole board, but I just feel like so many of them are too much mana

it feels kinda like the problem with shrines where you have a really cool ramping effect but you gotta invest so much in them that you fall behind usually

[fallow citrus]

yeah I think we've got a situation with living weapon again

where they'd be very playable if we had stoneforge in standard

or a similar effect

[lusty trench]

Did someone say "pushed"?

[atomic harness]

finally a good oil card

[golden plover]

Jesus I kept trying to spot the downside

But there just isn't one

[lusty trench]

This is either garbage or very good and it all depends on how easy poison counters will slide into the meta

Annnnnd I just realized that creatures with oil counters count as modified

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Evolving-Adaptive-265x370.webp

ha funny joke

its the evolve keyword, but instead of +1/+1 counters, its oil counters

[last glen]

the downside is you eventually run out of counters
(without additional card investment)

also it doesn't have haste
+2/+2 does make it kinda sticky tho

[lusty trench]

Or does it?

This is probably a bad idea but it's funny

Me when I turn 4 a 5/5 with vigilance, haste and menace

[twilit canyon]

downside is that on curve its a vanilla 4/4

it is also on a timer for how often it can use its abilities

and it cant actually be your main source of artifact/enchantment removal he would be 6 mana to do so

[last glen]

Its 1 mana ability is also useless the turn you play it

No haste actually slows this thing down a lot

[twilit canyon]

it is also legendary

[last glen]

How valuable is a 4/4 on T3

[twilit canyon]

meh

[[gruul spellbreaker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rna/179/gruul-spellbreaker

Gruul Spellbreaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Ogre Warrior
Riot (This creature enters the battlefield with your choice of a +1/+1 counter or haste.)
Trample
As long as it's your turn, you and Gruul Spellbreaker have hexproof.
She displays her scars with pride.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

[[old-growth troll]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/khm/185/old-growth-troll

Old-Growth Troll <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Troll Warrior
Trample
When Old-Growth Troll dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield. It's an Aura enchantment with enchant Forest you control and "Enchanted Forest has ': Add ' and ', , Sacrifice this land: Create a tapped 4/4 green Troll Warrior creature token with trample.'"
4/4

[twilit canyon]

[[steel-leaf champion]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/182/steel-leaf-champion

Steel Leaf Champion <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Knight
Steel Leaf Champion can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
One eye open to see the truth of the world. One eye covered to gaze at the goddess within.
5/4

[twilit canyon]

[[topiary stomper]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/160/topiary-stomper

Topiary Stomper <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Dinosaur
Vigilance
When Topiary Stomper enters the battlefield, search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Topiary Stomper can't attack or block unless you control seven or more lands.
4/4

[twilit canyon]

they are all kind of a dime a dozen

its better than topiary and steel leaf in your average stompy/gruul deck

[twilit canyon]

but its way worse than troll or spellbreaker cus spellbreaker is flexible and actually has some removal protection

[fallow citrus]

Zopandrel, Dominus of Hunger

Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Horror (Mythic Rare)

Reach

At beginning of each combat, double the power and toughness of all creatures you control until end of turn.

{GP}{GP}, Sacrifice two other creatures: Put an indestructible counter on Zopandrel, Dominus of Hunger.

I love the design of Crawling Chorus

[lusty trench]

The bat sticks, but he does not do much so we let him

[twilit canyon]

solphim is kinda neat

we had needed a torbran replacement in standard for red for a while

[hidden ermine]

The red dominus looks good

[fallow citrus]

solphim gives red another [[mechanized warfare]] in creature form yeah

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/139/mechanized-warfare

Mechanized Warfare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If a red or artifact source you control would deal damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals that much damage plus 1 instead.
First the automatons reinforced depleted squads. Then they replaced them entirely.

[lusty trench]

I know one of the people at my locals is gonna love solphim

[hidden ermine]

Good effect, decent stats, and pretty easy to make indestructible

[twilit canyon]

all things considered that might be the most playable one

ala hazoret

[hidden ermine]

Whats the black one again

[twilit canyon]

doodoo

[lusty trench]

Zopandral doesn't give trample so it goes into the bin directly

[fallow citrus]

doubles death triggers

[hidden ermine]

Eh

The only other one that stands out to me as being possibly good is the white one

But idk if standard cares much for tokens rn

[lusty trench]

The white one is gonna be money regardless cause

You know

Token doubler

[twilit canyon]

not just that, it is a 7 drop that asks you to eat 2 creatures in your stompy deck as well

[fallow citrus]

how many return from grave things do we have now

[twilit canyon]

a billion tbh

[hidden ermine]

In this set or in general

[lusty trench]

The blue one I like but I have 0 clue how good it's gonna be

[twilit canyon]

so little of them playable

[fallow citrus]

in standard

[hidden ermine]

Probably not very tbh

[fallow citrus]

cause I was kind of wondering if there could be like a weird uh

[hidden ermine]

Blue has the most mediocre effect I think

[fallow citrus]

atraxa revival deck

[lusty trench]

What ways are there to cheat out atraxa rn?

[fallow citrus]

[[geth thane of contracts]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/95/geth-thane-of-contracts

Geth, Thane of Contracts <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Zombie
Other creatures you control get -1/-1.
, : Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains "If this creature would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else." Activate only as a sorcery.
"It seems someone forgot to read the fine print."
3/4

[fallow citrus]

that 5 mana black spell I posted just

idk any more because I've not really been too interested in standard to know

[lusty trench]

I assume the idea is loot to discard atraxa?

[fallow citrus]

yeah cause I doubt we're ever getting usable entomb effects in standard lmao

[lusty trench]

I would be playing standard 24/7

[trail anvil]

man I swear a solid third of the cards in this set are just the same card they've done before + proliferate

[fallow citrus]

who doesn't love proliferate :)

[trail anvil]

well this at least looks really fun with proliferate

[fallow citrus]

yeah true

[trail anvil]

shame there's enough graveyard hate in standard to kill a necromancer

[twilit canyon]

part of why i think this set is gonna be pretty bad all things considered

[lusty trench]

Hell there's a good one in this set isn't there? The rare artifact?

[twilit canyon]

nah not just

the 2 mana green guy that makes mana

[hidden ermine]

Not unusual for draft chaff ngl

[trail anvil]

I think this set is gonna be great, just there's a lot of "pack filler + proliferate" stuff

[twilit canyon]

graveyard trespasser and hearse in the last set

[lusty trench]

Oh god hearse

[hidden ermine]

The Domini are definitely not super creative

But I think thats the point?

[fallow citrus]

well they're just a cycle of decent effects we've seen before

[lusty trench]

They feel like mini preators to me

[hidden ermine]

Yeah theyre just cards using each colours doubling effect

Minus blue I guess

That one just got double proliferate

[lusty trench]

Imagine if it doubled cards milled or something

[twilit canyon]

its the cheapest iirc

the blue one

its also kinda bad

[fallow citrus]

ONE: Bad infect & Proliferate

[hidden ermine]

Blue is also 4 mana like red and white, isnt it?

[twilit canyon]

its 4 yes

red one is vastly more playable though

[hidden ermine]

Yeah

The only real advantage blue has is that it technically is a good attacker once you give it indestructible but like

There is plenty of non-destroying removal around

[twilit canyon]

theres notably a lot right now yeah

[[lay down arms]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/11/lay-down-arms

Lay Down Arms <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile target creature with mana value less than or equal to the number of Plains you control. Its controller gains 3 life.
She'll swing a blade all her life, but never again for war.

[twilit canyon]

brutal cathar

[fallow citrus]

Might try monowhite in standard after ONE

new wanderer is real nice

[twilit canyon]

white midrange def gonna be more solid

[fallow citrus]

what other cool stuff does it have after this set

[twilit canyon]

the white phyrexian obliterator mythic

[fallow citrus]

Oh shit yeah

ossification is probably playable too

[golden plover]

4/4 for 3 is above rate on curve

It's not a crazy card, but it's better than average stats

[trail anvil]

man

[zinc shard]

It be like that sometimes

[twilit canyon]

needs more rainbow lands

[trail anvil]

I thought 3 lands and an arena was a keepable hand but over 2 more hands not seeing anything makes me depressed

it's ok arena apologized to me with these draws, killed a koma through veil of summer and 2 extra turn spells xd

[sudden lava]

Ya know what I want, but we'll probably never get? Capybaras in mtg

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/one-evolving-adaptive-v0-hkwaeatt18ea1.png?s=04725794e1a0536591d11433810491a359d8d002

that's the shit right there

this goes hard with all the proliferate too

[twilit canyon]

its nice ye

[trail anvil]

tbh I think you're right misty, the more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards gruul being played over monogreen

halana and alena, reckless stormseeker, kumano faces kakkazan all are huge

[fallow citrus]

Huh I just noticed adaptive is ripping apart one of these

or is it something that looks really similar

[sudden lava]

was already posted

[sudden lava]

^

but yeah evolve for oil

[glad peak]

Huh infect has a fun new tool

Card advantage Temur infect instead of ug one shot infect

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-xb2T7Z2E&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

[atomic harness]

rg sounds like the move yeah

you even get oil man chungus

[sleek ferry]

Ngl

The new bundles are really good value

Specifically the pack one

[twilit canyon]

yea

they fixed bundle issues i have had in the past

where ppl who dont draft arent charged extra for useless draft tokens they wont use

[trail anvil]

god I hate drafting lmao, I wish the battle pass just gave gems again instead of a draft token

then again I guess drafting is the only way to get free gems outside of those tournaments they host

[twilit canyon]

u can just skip the draft half of the battle pass iirc

[trail anvil]

not if I want to keep getting battle passes without dropping money I can't

the battle pass gives back way less gems than you put in, so you gotta draft (or play in a big tourney) to make up the difference

and I'm not much of a spike

[twilit canyon]

oh the f2p battle pass you mean?

[trail anvil]

I'm confused what other battle pass you could mean

the one that costs 3400 gems

[twilit canyon]

i thought u meant the one that costs 14.99 that comes with elesh norn stuff

this sets battle pass is much better than what it was in previous few sets

cus past few it was 49.99 for the big pack bundle and then 49.99 for draft tokens + battle pass with the other shit

that one has never been worth it whatsoever to get

unless you love drafting

[trail anvil]

is that a battle pass? I thought that was just a pre-order package

[twilit canyon]

yea its the pre-order with the battle pass

a copy of elesh norn

full art norn

the phyrexian dragon pet

and the elesh norn player icon

that one is actually really good value

cus iirc 3400 gems is about $20?

wait im on my laptop i can just open the client

oh its an elesh norn sleeve

[trail anvil]

yeah it's 19.99

[twilit canyon]

not player icon

huh

this one

oh you mean 3400 gems

yeah that one is 19.99

this one is 100% worth it if you want to get the mastery for this set though its $5 cheaper and comes with extra goodies

[trail anvil]

I'm kinda confused, does this put these items on the battle pass?

or is there a separate one entirely that awards different stuff?

[twilit canyon]

no it just gives them to you outright

and then also gives you the mastery pass fully enabled

[golden plover]

Holy shit that pet is awful. Literally reskinned the dragon

[twilit canyon]

this bundle used to cost 49.99 and came with three draft tokens

[twilit canyon]

the pet is whatever

its just a nice little bonus

[trail anvil]

what do you mean fully enabled

[twilit canyon]

the big thing out of it is a copy of elesh norn, the sleeve, and the foil norn with all the rewards out of the mastery pass

u know the mastery pass has additional rewards to get?

[trail anvil]

like all up front without playing?

[twilit canyon]

its those

no it doesnt come with extra levels

its just the mastery pass with the top and bottom row rewards enabled from the get go

[trail anvil]

I only know the one you pay 3400 gems for normally

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[trail anvil]

oh so it's the bottom part

gotcha

[twilit canyon]

this bundle is that + the additional rewards

and i hope they keep doing this for future mastery pass seasons

cus this way is wayyyyyy better if you dont like drafting

[trail anvil]

ye they also have a separate draft bundle for those who want it

[trail anvil]

this looks interesting just for the cost reduction, even if the last effect is pretty niche

[twilit canyon]

its unfortunately too weak of a second effect

[trail anvil]

funny thing is if they buffed it up to 2 damage I wonder if it would be put at rare

oh it's supposed to be an anti-mite tool in limited

[copper pecan]

alexa, cast necrosquito

[atomic harness]

baby are you sizzling because you got some oil counters on you

[twilit canyon]

iirc we have a 1 mana sorcery that deals 1 to everything your opponent controls and the opponent

in standard right now

it became a legacy staple for delver

[trail anvil]

I think I know what you're talking about, but didn't that rotate out

cause I remember monored bo1 decks using it as a mirror breaker

[twilit canyon]

p sure it was in crimson vow or midnight hunt

[[end the festivities]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/155/end-the-festivities

End the Festivities <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
End the Festivities deals 1 damage to each opponent and each creature and planeswalker they control.
When the defenses around Lurenbraum Fortress faltered, the Crimson Ballroom received some unexpected guests.

[trail anvil]

oh I thought you were talking about [[blazing volley]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/107/blazing-volley

Blazing Volley <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Blazing Volley deals 1 damage to each creature your opponents control.
"Don't ask me what to do if you miss. They're stingdrakes. Don't miss." —Orthion, Lavabrink captain

[twilit canyon]

i play legacy sometimes lol

[trail anvil]

forgot that existed

[twilit canyon]

no no no end the festivities is actually fr

ping them for 1 and their board is actually a good effect

ping their board for 1 is ok

but ping everything and them makes it pretty real

oh and it tags walkers ig

[trail anvil]

do you run dreadhorde arcanist in that deck btw?

[twilit canyon]

i killed a wandering emperor with it before

and a thalia

[trail anvil]

cause deal 2 sounds even better

[twilit canyon]

and 2 sentinels

[trail anvil]

nice

[twilit canyon]

no cus arcanist is banned in legacy

[trail anvil]

o

[twilit canyon]

lol

card is fucking absurd when it can flashback ponder and brainstorm

[trail anvil]

ye I bet

[twilit canyon]

it and lurrus are like the 2 cards im still wondering how they remain legal in historic

ngl

actually

underworld breach is slowly approaching that

[trail anvil]

looking up mtggoldfish historic decks and this hurts me give me back my nexus

what does historic meta look like rn anyways, I imagine azorius control is somewhere in there?

[atomic harness]

Lurrus is still legal? gross

[twilit canyon]

not really?

well kinda

historic meta is extremely wide open

flavor of the month deck is the green devotion deck but its really really bad against the aggro decks

but it is quite great vs rakdos midrange and control decks

affinity varities are also all over

usually azorius now

some boros

a few jeskai

merfolk are very very broken all things considered

theres almost an argument that fish can go purely mono-blue now

elves are decent in bo1

burn is a thing now too

izzet wizards remains the most explosive and grindy deck in historic

auras are fine too

ethereal armor was a strong power boost

rakdos midrange has taken over as the jund of historic being able to grind most things to a halt well

same combos are still around

grixis pact, benthic biobomber, dragonstorm

ppl play eldrazi more frequently now too

often with a black or white splash depending on if they like displacer

theres some mono-red nykthos decks

these are all things i saw on my climb to mythic

in mythic i also have seen: selesnya angels, spirits, goblins strong as ever, humans

rusko clockstorm combos

some domain decks both aggro and control

some mono-black aggro

various midrange flavors from jund go bant to temur to golgari

a few song of creation combo lists

if you ask me the meta atm ks

tier 1:
izzet wizards
azorius affinity
mono-green devotion
rakdos midrange
merfolk
tier 2:
goblins
boros affinity
burn
auras
angels
tier 3:
lurrus decks
mill
control
rest of the tribal decks
rest of the midrange decks

tier 4:
grixis pact
eldrazi piles
various combos
mono-black aggro

i will point out: i think once ppl realize that rusko combo is stronger in historic, more ppl will run it

[trail anvil]

what does rakdos look like in historic? similar to explorer?

also is rusko combo just low cost spells to go alongside the clock?

[twilit canyon]

yea

using rusko + oracle of the alpha with cheap spells

so you can loop

eventually rusko and alpha will go infinite

[trail anvil]

ah fun

[twilit canyon]

this is my current rakdos build

mostly similar to pioneer

with the addition of seasoned pyro

crucias

and citystalker

some of the side cards are modular

[trail anvil]

oh right forgot citystalker

[twilit canyon]

like u dont always want languish or shatterstorm

[trail anvil]

this card is so big for black midrange

[twilit canyon]

sometimes u would rather run brotherhoods end

and have the extra slots open for more cards

like rending volley to kill balmor and symmetry sage

or additional ways to do so

[trail anvil]

wait is there a reason to run shatterstorm over brotherhood's end

[twilit canyon]

yes

[trail anvil]

[[brotherhood's end]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/128/brotherhoods-end

Brotherhood's End <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Brotherhood's End deals 3 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.
• Destroy all artifacts with mana value 3 or less.
The brothers' rivalry escalated into all-out enmity, and Tocasia paid the price.

[twilit canyon]

shatterstorm clears out higher mana value artifacts too

[trail anvil]

oh forgot that part lol

[twilit canyon]

works well vs traditional azorius affinity lists

with thought monitor

[trail anvil]

is alpine moon for lotus field?

[twilit canyon]

nykthos

but lotus field too

[trail anvil]

o right forgot about that lol

[twilit canyon]

lotus field decks are catching hella strays rn

[trail anvil]

right

[twilit canyon]

some ppl play [[damping sphere]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/213/damping-sphere

Damping Sphere <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
If a land is tapped for two or more mana, it produces instead of any other type and amount.
Each spell a player casts costs more to cast for each other spell that player has cast this turn.
A Thran relic, it has spent ten thousand years doing absolutely nothing.

[twilit canyon]

my issue with sphere

is that it is a bit awkward on curve

and is just as prone to mono-green removal as moon

[trail anvil]

but on the other hand you could also use that vs combo ye?

idk how many spells you cast in a turn as rusko

[twilit canyon]

sphere can cover rusko ye

rusko wants to cast: all of them

rusko is a solitaire control combo deck

its actually quite fun to pop off with

oh also things shatterstorm clears out that brotherhoods end wont

esikas chariot

goblin charbelcher

though charbelcher will likely come down when it can also use the 3 mana ability on it too

like yea shatterstorm is just nice and having 2 of em with 2 languish is usually good enough

[trail anvil]

so I was looking into most top tier lists and it turns out I'm missing a lot of wildcards

that said, phoenix ain't never dying

this deck stays fun

[golden plover]

Man that art ended up being Thrill? Sad. It's such a cool art

I guess thrill isn't a bad card tho

[zinc shard]

Im about to commit a war crime

[glad peak]

I don’t see a problem

[trail anvil]

now your casualties of war is wide open, ez game ez life

[clever sun]

Blazing Cresendo seems neat

strong way to give power and draw in Red aggro

[fallow citrus]

izzet prowess with crescendo would be real cool

is prowess even a thing in standard rn

whole card gallery has released it seems

[twilit canyon]

prowess in standard? nah

theres like

a bit of merit cus swiftspear + electro infantry

[sudden lava]

I forgot is the ||Myr commander|| revealed officially yet?

[zinc shard]

ye

[fallow citrus]

everything has been posted to the official card gallery

[sudden lava]

alright yeah these new Myrs will work great with the new wubrg Myr commander

too bad kinsmith cant search genesis chamber tho 😦

[golden plover]

There's a new guy here who talks exactly like a Game Knights host. This is somehow the first time I've seen this. Don't wanna be rude to them tho

[glad peak]

Huh I just realized the game knights actually live super close to me

Weird

[lusty trench]

[glad peak]

Also oof I’m sorry for your loss

[golden plover]

It's the LGS classic. This is somehow the first time I've seen it tho

[lusty trench]

I've never had it happen before

That is wild

[golden plover]

I'm waiting on a game and he showed me his hand and went "I'm sure hoping to play some of these cool cards this game"

Like when they turn to the camera

[lusty trench]

Could just be someone excited to play and is new ig?

[glad peak]

Ok that’s not too bad

I thought you meant like doing all the sound effects and especially the “hit face” and “kill animations”

[golden plover]

Yeah true. They're not doing the sound effects so it's NBD. Just unexpected

[glad peak]

cute

[fallow citrus]

https://twitter.com/mtgjp/status/1618889096570769408?t=8CnPgqBk7TMD-v7P21yM8A&s=19

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Twitter · Jan 27, 2023, 8:30 AM

[atomic harness]

@subtle sierra I have a dumb ruling question

[subtle sierra]

prob not the best person to ask tbh

[atomic harness]

it's ok you got this

I couldnt find anything online

If I cast a creature w an etb with using mana from path of ancestry

Does path scry go on stack or does it happen before etbs?

[[path of ancestry]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/907/path-of-ancestry

Path of Ancestry

Land
Path of Ancestry enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity. When that mana is spent to cast a creature spell that shares a creature type with your commander, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)

[subtle sierra]

path def goes on stack but idk when

i think it's simultaneous and you pick, but my experience ends with playing mtga

so

imo ask misty/caster/komi

[atomic harness]

Understandable and thanks, might look for a second opinion

@trail anvil

[lusty trench]

Path goes first

Path checks on cast

Etbs happen after creatures resolve

At least I think

[fallow citrus]

yeah I would imagine the trigger would go on the stack and you can order them

[golden plover]

Yup

[glad peak]

you cast creature
cast trigger: path
path resolves
creature on the stack
creature etbs

It goes like this

[last glen]

are there any cards like Chicken Game in MTG

[glad peak]

Lots

Most of the time it costs mana though

But there’s [[necropotence]] or [[ad nauseum]] as examples

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/98/necropotence

Necropotence <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard.
Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step.

No card found for “ad nauseum”

[last glen]

But your opponent can't use that effect on their turn

That's the part I'm focusing on here

[glad peak]

Wait why

[last glen]

Just thought experimenting

Nothing serious

[glad peak]

In that case there’s probably 1 or 2 but it’ll be a super niche card

[last glen]

I didn't want to go on a whole rabbit hole only to find out Chicken Game already exists

[glad peak]

[[xantcha]] works similarly but costs a lot of mana

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pvan/408/xantcha

Xantcha

Vanguard
Sacrifice a permanent: Regenerate target creature.
A Phyrexian "sleeper agent," Xantcha has developed an inviolate sense of self. This aberration earned her a death sentence, but she was rescued by Urza and joined his crusade. Her Phyrexian credo of "Waste not, want not" has helped Urza more than even he comprehends.
Hand Size: +1
Starting Life: +3

[glad peak]

[[xantcha, sleeper agent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/50/xantcha-sleeper-agent

Xantcha, Sleeper Agent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Minion
Xantcha, Sleeper Agent enters the battlefield under the control of an opponent of your choice.
Xantcha attacks each combat if able and can't attack its owner or planeswalkers its owner controls.
: Xantcha's controller loses 2 life and you draw a card. Any player may activate this ability.
5/5

[last glen]

Hmmm

Grazie

[hidden ermine]

Lemme check

Ah no, the mongers didnt have a draw ability

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/wvqrr2brinea1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=be0d0d426b8320b7d3906fec109d7bc6f022fbe0

The Lisa Frank guy won

[sudden lava]

this is cute

[golden plover]

Terrible value tho

It's another lair that's like $20 at best

The Eldrazi one was the only one that's been over $20

This one is like $10 of cards too

But the art is neat

[glad peak]

How much is Azusa nowadays?

[golden plover]

Like $5

I think the alt art will go for more because waifu

But that lair is like $15 total

So as of now, there's a single lair in the supedrop worth the price tag

Weird the snakes one excluded [[Ohran Frostfang]] but it's probably because he's $20

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/33/ohran-frostfang

Ohran Frostfang <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Snow Creature — Snake
Attacking creatures you control have deathtouch.
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
Silent as a snowdrift. Inexorable as an avalanche.
2/6

[glad peak]

I remember when Azusa was $50 lmao

Oh how the mighty have fallen

[golden plover]

Yeah but she's gotten reprints since

But man, these lairs really suck for value

Super sucks they picked shit sakashima for that art

[atomic harness]

This was the fact or fiction today, pretty mild

How would you separate them?

[merry owl]

2|3 just like in the pic

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3zq2l5XD54&ab_channel=TheCommander'sQuarters

[golden plover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1619379784101888000

MTG Secret Lair (@MTGSecretLair)

Everyone: 🤯
Jund players: 😲
@SamBurleyArt does it again! Check out his take on some of Jund’s favorite Commander cards in the Artist Series drop!

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Twitter · Jan 28, 2023, 5:00 PM

Another shit value lair

Like $10 of cards total

Not sure how these are Jund favorites, but wow there's nothing here

Good artwork tho

[glad peak]

says jund players have their mind blown
none of the cards are jund playable

[golden plover]

Yeah if they wanted it to be Jund playable should've been Ragavan, W6, Breach, and Finale of Devastation

Tbf, it could have at least been Korvold, Breach, and like a chandra

[twilit canyon]

breach???

finale??

oh edh

[golden plover]

Devastation is off the table because it's $45 now

[hidden ermine]

Braid of Fire is actually fine ig?

[golden plover]

Guess just Korvold and filler then, Breach is $20 and Korvold is $15

[hidden ermine]

I swear Ive seen people play that before in commander

[golden plover]

Lairs can't be worth the price tag anymore

[twilit canyon]

braid of fire is fine

[golden plover]

It's playable but it's also like $2

But yeah, it does specifically mention Commander

So actually putting at least one jund commander staple in there would have been better than this

Again nice art, but the card selection for every lair outside of the Eldrazi one this drop has been attrocious

I've literally never seen anyone play master of the wild hunt outside of the one jumpstart game I played where a guy had it

Forgot about this one

[glad peak]

Oh it specifies commander?

[golden plover]

It's also fine?

[glad peak]

Never mind the secret lair is perfect then

[golden plover]

Yeah, it says "Jund's favorite commander cards"

I don't see a single boseiju or Ragavan in there

[glad peak]

It’s commander, literally every card is a favorite and if they put boseiju or ragavan they’d be making the actual edh players mad

[golden plover]

It's weird how some of the first couple lairs were like $100 worth of cards and now we're lucky to see ones that break the asking price

Like the Eldrazi one this time was at least $50 of cards so it's decent

But everything else is $10-$20

The phyrexian one is about $20 of cards, so also under the asking price

[lusty trench]

So more news about the 30th promos LGS came out

They err... They've actively confirmed the expensive promos of the bunch are intentionally being printed much, much less

2 per LGS iirc

If that

[golden plover]

That sucks

Sounds about right, but that's shitty as hell

[lusty trench]

Some other random ones are shorted as well

Vindicate is one of them

That and kor haven are the next short printed ones

Out of the next four I'd expect goyf and coc to be shorted

[golden plover]

So I'd assume that's Loyal Retainers, Kor Haven, Goyf and a few others?

Probably Vito too because he's like a $10 card

[lusty trench]

Kalonian hydra definitely

Card is like £15

[golden plover]

"but we don't look at the secondary market tho"

Oh yeah LGSes are confirming it you're right

That's shady as hell

This set was 2 vindicate/2 kor haven, 50 exalted angel, 50 temple

[trail anvil]

wait this is a lair?

these cards just look normal

[golden plover]

Yup it's an artist series

But like, they're a regular artist in every set

Which also means the bonus card is like Koth

[trail anvil]

idk if I'm dropping that much on a few cards I want some unique looking stuff, but I'm not so

[golden plover]

Yeah it's also just not anything worth the asking price

"Jund commander favorites": $12 of cards

For $30

[glad peak]

Sounds like jund players

[golden plover]

Nah Jund players like paying $500 for foil versions of bad cards that were good 10 years ago

And then another $500 to hold the deck together with the busted staples

[lusty trench]

Still can't believe ancient copper dragon is so expensive

[golden plover]

It's a single "good" card in a bad set no one opened

And the way they did the legendary thing for the set makes it harder to pull than average

[lusty trench]

I mean the set has more value than new capenna iirc but that's not saying much

[golden plover]

SNC has a couple standout cards in a mostly bad set

There's so few cards anyone cares about in Baldurs Gate

[lusty trench]

Eh, still feels odd, I actually didn't mind baldurs gate as a set but it absolutely shouldn't of been labelled a commander legends set nor should it of cost more

[golden plover]

Yeah. I'm still convinced double masters 22 was supposed to be the real commander legends but that would have made it cheap

It had the foil etched popular commander thing the original had and also had stuff like Animatou and Dockside in the draft set, both are awful mythics for draft

And Animatou says "can be your commander"

Feels like it was supposed to be CL2 and then they went "well that'd make it $5 packs. Wr can't print this many good cards in it"

[hollow fog]

Decided to try and get me an irl commander deck after having mainly played magic via arena historic brawl. used my in game deck as the base but idk what irl staples are used for commander decks.

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/beAVJmGGREaxg4tCgQ9FbA

[trail anvil]

just a psa to everyone, the basic land art deals today are sleeves, not land styles

[clever sun]

Hate when they do that

Those sleeves should also have their basics on Arena

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/lZBNErpjGd0

[glad peak]

Ah yes the worst modern deck: death’s shadow

Ok this variant is actually pretty bad but it’s hella aggro which I remembered isn’t a bad take on the deck

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1069302896358854686/image.png

important lore

[sudden lava]

based

[golden plover]

So people are suggesting "Draw 12 put 5 back" over mulligans???

Nah that just makes combo so much better and you cut down on lands

[copper pecan]

one guy suggested that

i don't think it's a commonly espoused opinion

[golden plover]

Gotcha. I saw a bunch of people talking about it

[twilit canyon]

never heard anyone say that

[trail anvil]

I'd still manage to open 1 land lul

[last glen]

A thread got traction on the subreddit

There was discussion

[glad peak]

May I suggest

No mulligans

Magic as intended

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mxKwsee1Qs

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Mb6nk8q3g

[golden plover]

https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2023/01/30/january-2023-quarterly-update/

Time for the bimonthly "No changes, but we're watching Dockside" post

Although there was also "we're not changing poison rules and we're not banning new Norn"

[twilit canyon]

they just said this time dockside is not gonna be suspect until casual changes itself

finally

[lusty trench]

no thassas mention at all
oh boy

I love turning every deck with blue black in it into thassas turbo

[twilit canyon]

are you playing cedh?

if not then this is not happening