Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

nah

its bad

dont run it

[glad peak]

Yeah it’s pretty bad

Maybe the 4 life to draw is the best mode if you have infinite mana and then infinite life but

Why

[trail anvil]

wait when were these rebalances posted?

also this is the best feeling in esper midrange

[twilit canyon]

earlier yesterday

i posted the article to em

[copper pecan]

why do the mite tokens looks like the mass produced eva units

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1032846698835361883/1065185105020211280/IMG_8172.jpg?width=476&height=662

oh shit

[trail anvil]

damn maybe I should pay attention to them cause one day a change is gonna be relevant to historic brawl

[twilit canyon]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

the only real issue is that this has no real home

i cant think of much that this specifically counters that dispel also wont hit

besides the obvious creatures

but for decks that want dispel, they very likely have removal spells for said creatures

[fallow citrus]

damn

new misstep and it isn't broken now

[twilit canyon]

bc it isnt broken its shit though

cus misstep exists so

tough

[fallow citrus]

yeah lmao

[twilit canyon]

well i wouldnt say shit

but like

its unplayable

[fallow citrus]

like

you can't even play it in standard cause you have spell pierce lmfao

[trail anvil]

hey question, does this work vs cost reduction

[twilit canyon]

no

mana value means it considers the actual base cost of the spell

[trail anvil]

damn no secret monoblue counter

[atomic harness]

Mental misstep still the king bb

[fallow citrus]

damn that's uh

mid

[waxen timber]

Disenchant is a playable card and this is basically 1 more mana to hit plainswalkers and exile

Which I think makes this a staple in white commander decks

[fallow citrus]

https://twitter.com/Mengu09/status/1615666705023254529?t=bRuy4HGKKyi_b0CIeWBkKg&s=19

seems like mengu likes the card

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09)

Excellent card for Modern, great vs Cascade and the many decks that are loaded on 1 mana cards. I will for sure try this in UR Murktide. #MTGModern #MTGPhyrexia

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oh shit I didn't say it was or less

so this just hits cascade free

[atomic harness]

Oh nice

@twilit canyon apparently it hits basbade?

[last glen]

[[Misstep]

[waxen holly]

Could not resolve English data for searches: [misstep

[last glen]

[[Misstep]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/88/misstep

Misstep <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Creatures target player controls don't untap during that player's next untap step.
The feet have no eyes. —Saprazzan saying

[lusty trench]

[[mental misstep]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/38/mental-misstep

Mental Misstep <:manaup:292901508780130305>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Counter target spell with mana value 1.
"Your first mistake was thinking I would let you live long enough to make a second." —Sarnvax, Gitaxian sective

[glad peak]

I mean this hits cascade, but I don’t see where this will have more practicality than flusterstorm in that matchup and burn other than late game

Maybe 1/1/1/1 split of pierce, misstep, snare, and fluster with extra copies of each in the side?

[golden plover]

Dammit, that art had me thinking it was a [[Hive Mind]] variant

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind

Hive Mind <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell, each other player copies that spell. Each of those players may choose new targets for their copy.
"All consciousness is one, separated only by a thin veil of the physical." —Jace Beleren

[golden plover]

Otharri is pretty cool actually

I like the way they translated their story ability for the return

This seems solid

[atomic harness]

[golden plover]

Wow this seems.... Bad???

Maybe unplayable?

[last glen]

Dinosaurs let's go?

Little green heavy for a gruul or naya variant

Also 7 is pretty steep

Hrm
Not actually dinosaur support
Unfortunate

Okay so it's better by itself than Ghalta
But Ghalta combos much better well with Regisaur Alpha access and having board presence
Some of the upside is wasted in a Dinosaur deck

[golden plover]

Oh shit the boros deck has [[Flawless Maneuver]] in it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/26/flawless-maneuver

Flawless Maneuver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
If you control a commander, you may cast this spell without paying its mana cost.
Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
"Captain, your units are the tip of our spear. There is zero room for failure." —Jirina Kudro

[golden plover]

Unfortunately neither deck has blue so no fierce guardianship this time

[twilit canyon]

so does flusterstorm for the most part

[fallow citrus]

I think it's a real big stretch to say this is unplayable

like it's not amazing but it's not unplayable

[twilit canyon]

3 mana 4/4 flyer for dredge decks that can randomly flash back a decent card

its far from bad in the right deck

[fallow citrus]

black also really gets everything huh

[twilit canyon]

zenith chronicler is an interesting cars

*card

[fallow citrus]

I wonder if over the course of some sets

they're going to make artifact creatures involving multicoloured cards

[twilit canyon]

they have

[fallow citrus]

well we have uh

spectrum sentinel last set

now this

[twilit canyon]

there is 1 in boros from mh2

[golden plover]

Isn't there all of 3?

And the Future Sight Dimir one

[twilit canyon]

iirc a few in azorius from mh2 as well? idr their effects

[zinc shard]

"Elesh Norn can we have Carnage Tyrant?"
"We have Carnage Tyrant on Phyrexia"
Carnage Tyrant on Phyrexia:

[golden plover]

English text for Atraxa

[lusty trench]

She sucks and I'm so disappointed

[golden plover]

Confirms the card type name is "battle"

Yeah she really does

Like if they were gonna make her bad, she should have at least been phyrexian tribal or something

At that mana cost, would her 10 effect be "put each revealed phyrexian on the Battlefield" or something too much?

[lusty trench]

Literally couldve been a collector's pack reprint in this art and I would've been happier

[golden plover]

Honestly

The art is so good

The card is so bad

Also, battle is a bad name for the card type

Skirmish wasn't great, but it was better

[lusty trench]

I smell the distinct lack of hexproof from a mile away

[golden plover]

"I'm gonna cast a battle" feels weird from a flavor standpoint

I guess we'll have to see what they do, but "battle" does not inspire confidence

[clever sun]

Excuse me what

She's a Niv-Mizzet reborn level of draw power on a relevant ETB body

[golden plover]

Niv is way cheaper

And he's way easier to build around without missing

[clever sun]

Two mana cheaper

[golden plover]

5 mana vs 7 is a big difference

[clever sun]

And she can draw more cards much easily

She's far from bad

[golden plover]

And you're way more likely to see guild color combos than a card of each type

[clever sun]

Incorrect

[golden plover]

If you build a deck around niv, which has proven to be a playable archetype, you can almost always guarantee you're drawing at least 4-5 cards

[clever sun]

She can grab one of any card type

Yes and she can much more easily grab 4-5 or more

[hidden ermine]

2 mana is definitely a huge difference

[clever sun]

You don't need to meet guild requirements

[golden plover]

Yeah, but the issue is you're forcing yourself to run extra enchants, sorceries, and whatnot for the big chance you get maximum payoff

[hidden ermine]

And she requires weirder deckbuilding

Like instant, sorcery and creature are easy to make consistently gettable

Artifact as well, sure

[clever sun]

You don't need to run a weirder deckbuilding at all

[golden plover]

Guild colors is a lot easier of an ask in deck building

[clever sun]

Enchantments are extremely common nowdays

[hidden ermine]

But to also be able to reliably hit planeswalker and enchantment is ... a lot to ask

[clever sun]

With Wedding Announcement, Fable of the Mirror Breaker

[glad peak]

7 mana draw 5-8 (depending on if you want a battle) is very good

[clever sun]

Sagas

Enchantment creatures

[golden plover]

Outside of like edh, I can't see you ever really drawing more than 4-5 consistently

[glad peak]

But I don’t like 7 mana commanders regardless so, it’s a no for me

[golden plover]

I think she's gonna play MUCH worse than Niv

He's a playable pioneer and modern deck

I can't see her being the same

[glad peak]

In terms of comp play, yeah no standard doesn’t have the fixing

[clever sun]

Not anymore for Modern

[glad peak]

Niv isn’t playable in either

[golden plover]

Oh damn that sucks

Niv to light is a really fun deck

[clever sun]

But Niv Reborn was very strong for its time

[golden plover]

At least it's still around in pioneer

[clever sun]

Standard does actually

The current Esper Midrange lists can actually cast Atraxa easily

And there are plenty of Domain decks in Standard right now

[golden plover]

But is it worth splashing green and hoping your 7 drop draws you cards?

[glad peak]

Eh not really, it’s like saying infect is around in modern

[clever sun]

I can easily see them playing a seven drop with keyword soup that draws you 4-7 cards

[golden plover]

I mean it's not consistently tiered, but you can always take niv to a tournament and do okay

[glad peak]

That’s exactly what I just said

[golden plover]

Yeah true

But point is, Niv has less constraints on your deck building and costs 2 less

The difference between 5 and 7 mana is massive

Oh shit myr Lord

[glad peak]

Niv being bad is due to his restraints, atraxa doesn’t have any restraints

[golden plover]

Atraxa doesn't have any up front restraints

You'll find quickly in deck building there's more when you're actually trying to utilize her

[glad peak]

You don’t need to draw 7 cards to make her good, just a decent 3-4

[twilit canyon]

whenever u cast a myr spell make a 1/1 myr colorless

at the beginning of combat on your turn, untap every myr you control

[golden plover]

WUBRG is "put 3 +1/+1 counters on all Myrs you control. Sorcery." Right?

[twilit canyon]

wubrg tap: put 3 +1/+1 counters on all myrs you control. activate only during your turn.

big difference from sorcery

cus you can do it as a combat trick too

[golden plover]

Ah gotcha

[twilit canyon]

as for atraxa, this is key

[golden plover]

He's nothing crazy, but having a myr Lord is cool

[twilit canyon]

shes a 7 drop with keywords that etb draws a ton

shes far from bad

i can see her being the breaker in midrange mirrors

current mana base for esper midrange can cast her on turn 7 anyways

[trail anvil]

I feel like she has a crazy good body too

[twilit canyon]

no yea

its the other main draw to her

she etbs and she stays in play, she wins

[trail anvil]

all those keywords besides deathtouch are pretty fuckin solid

[twilit canyon]

but even if she doesnt

[glad peak]

Esper control splash for atraxa and shana

[twilit canyon]

she drew you 4-7 maybe 8 cards

that game is beyond over at that point

seeing 10 cards means she is likely to hit another atraxa

[twilit canyon]

ppl already try this in current esper shell but idt its all that amazing

sadly

shana needs more direct support that esper midrange wont give her and the deck likes to have either mana available for the opponents turn or tapping out on key turns

[clever sun]

Yeah Atraxa will probably see play

[lusty trench]

This feels very goshintai

But with the downside the myrs don't nearly have as much synergy as shrines

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/YreZouGlA4I

[golden plover]

This is almost really cool

Again, wish it was just infect over toxic

But it's cool enough

[lusty trench]

Me when the entire deck seems better with atraxa at the helm

And the reprints seem whatever

[lusty trench]

This is cool though

[lusty trench]

I like this

[golden plover]

I really wish they had put deflecting swat in the boros one and the white one in the abzan one tbh

Since no guardianship reprint

[fallow citrus]

Sword of Forge and Frontier (3)

Artifact Equipment — Mythic

Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and red.

When equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile the top two cards of your library. You can play them this turn. You can play an additional land this turn.

Equip 2

[golden plover]

Eh? It's fine

It's one of the better swords

But it's not crazy either

[fallow citrus]

I wish it didn't look like a nerf sword

[golden plover]

True

I think Hearth and Home is still the best sword

[twilit canyon]

excuse you?

sofai is still a card

as is feast and famine

hearth and home is unplayable

[golden plover]

Hearth is nice for ramp and resetting etbs

Fire and Ice is probably the second best tho

Most generically good

Body and Mind is probably the worst one

[twilit canyon]

hearth and home also gives protection from rather irrelevant colors

ur using the swords for the effects yes but also from the blanket protection from those colors

[golden plover]

That's true. It's more format dependent I guess

[twilit canyon]

hence why fnf and fni are the best

for the most part

[golden plover]

Actually I'm not sure if Body and Mind is worse than Truth and Justice or vice versa

[twilit canyon]

body and mind is the worst cus green and blue arent really removal colors and the mill is mid

[golden plover]

This actually feels kinda sick

They get 10 attacks to kill you and it encourages attacking the people who swung at you

I don't think it's great, but it seems fun

[trail anvil]

cool art with a very okay effect

I feel like most of ONE is gonna be like that

[fallow citrus]

how I felt with a lot of neon dynasty samurai ngl

[golden plover]

Oh I just realized it's wings are teeth

Fucked up

[fallow citrus]

wow this looks way better

[copper pecan]

love the art direction in this set

also i'm a little disappointed that the sword didn't end up being a dimir sword called "sword of oil and water"

[fallow citrus]

surprised cause a dimir sword would have been super relevant in standard

[golden plover]

I think "Smoke and Mirrors" is a better name for a dimir sword

[hidden ermine]

Isnt it named in order of the colours?

So oil and water wouldn't have really worked

[last glen]

Do you get the extra land while the card is unequiped?
Do you get it if it's equipped but without attacking

[twilit canyon]

the extra land is part of the damage trigger

[last glen]

unfortunate
but understandable

reddit really talking up Tyrranax Rex

[golden plover]

It seems fine

The last one was good in standard

[last glen]

comparing it to Ghalta for Dino tribal in Pioneer
it doesn't get cheaper like Ghalta
and it's lower stats
but it's otherwise stickier and has the haste built in

but then again
have haste built-in means it doesn't actually benefit from Regisaur Alpha

and it doesn't have an enrage trigger, either

[sudden lava]

new sword!

[twilit canyon]

it doesnt compare to ghalta

it compares to [[carnage tyrant]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/179/carnage-tyrant

Carnage Tyrant <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
This spell can't be countered.
Trample, hexproof
Sun Empire commanders are well versed in advanced martial strategy. Still, the correct maneuver is usually to deploy the giant, implacable death lizard.
7/6

[twilit canyon]

and you play: neither

[golden plover]

Carnage Tyrant saw a lot of standard play

But this isn't Carnage Tyrant

Although maybe the Haste will make up for ward over Hexproof?

[copper pecan]

ward 4 is functionally hexproof a lot of the time

[golden plover]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

It effectively makes it untargetable

So it might end up seeing play. And creativity might try it over [[Titan of Industry]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/159/titan-of-industry

Titan of Industry <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
Reach, trample
When Titan of Industry enters the battlefield, choose two —
• Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
• Target player gains 5 life.
• Create a 4/4 green Rhino Warrior creature token.
• Put a shield counter on a creature you control.
7/7

[fallow citrus]

creativity in which format?

[golden plover]

I was guessing pioneer

[fallow citrus]

I think the only home that card has is in standard tbh

[golden plover]

Probably. But it's worth a test

It's something that kills fast and is hard to interact with

[fallow citrus]

looking at their lists it just seems like you're meant to creativity for 2

and grab [[xenagos, god of revels]] + [[worldspine wurm]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bng/156/xenagos-god-of-revels

Xenagos, God of Revels <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red and green is less than seven, Xenagos isn't a creature.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, another target creature you control gains haste and gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is that creature's power.
6/5

https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/140/worldspine-wurm

Worldspine Wurm <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Wurm
Trample
When Worldspine Wurm dies, create three 5/5 green Wurm creature tokens with trample.
When Worldspine Wurm is put into a graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into its owner's library.
15/15

[fallow citrus]

which is just a straight up kill

I suppose you could replace wurm with rex but it doesn't hit lethal

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Ossification-Phyrexia-All-Will-One-Spoiler.png

better on thin ice for 1 more mana

[glad peak]

So a worse on thin ice

[golden plover]

It's more generic

But it's also not as good as [[Chained to The Rocks]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ths/4/chained-to-the-rocks

Chained to the Rocks <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant Mountain you control
When Chained to the Rocks enters the battlefield, exile target creature an opponent controls until Chained to the Rocks leaves the battlefield. (That creature returns under its owner's control.)

[glad peak]

All of which are just worse than path, swords, and in some decks, binding

I still remember back in the day you’d play chained if you were playing budget burn

[golden plover]

I wanna see the Ixalan one again

[[Ixalan's Binding]] was fun in standard

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/17/ixalans-binding

Ixalan's Binding <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When Ixalan's Binding enters the battlefield, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Ixalan's Binding leaves the battlefield.
Your opponents can't cast spells with the same name as the exiled card.
Jace awoke to the certainty that he was lost.

[golden plover]

Tbh I also wanna see [[Adanto Vanguard]] back in standard

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/1/adanto-vanguard

Adanto Vanguard <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Vampire Soldier
As long as Adanto Vanguard is attacking, it gets +2/+0.
Pay 4 life: Adanto Vanguard gains indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
1/1

[golden plover]

He's one of my favorite white fair aggro tools

[glad peak]

You should play cube then

Love vanguard in cube

[copper pecan]

so uh

the entire set just got leaked

except for 1 card that the leaker doesn't have

https://youtu.be/FMwD0WNDSKE

they're all in spanish though

[golden plover]

I should. Vanguard is a really fun card that could fit a lot of Archetypes

[golden plover]

Does he have the rest of the gods cycle?

And I'm assuming no single battle card?

[copper pecan]

there are no battle cards but there is at least 1 card with affinity for artifacts for some reason

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1065435239620562954/Screenshot_20230119_005903_YouTube.jpg?width=1440&height=648

[golden plover]

Huh that's weird

Also kinda bad

What about the god cycle?

[copper pecan]

i'm still looking through it

i don't think he has the blue god but the other ones seem to be there

[copper pecan]

also there's an orzhov creature that has battlecry even though nothing else in the set has it which is really weird

i wonder if this is gonna be an ongoing thing where they just randomly sprinkle in keywords that aren't otherwise in a set into sets

[fallow citrus]

calling it now, the battles are either going to all be named like "Battle on/of [Plane Name]" or the same but with more specific locations and they'll all be in MOM

[waxen holly]

Hane-Hane

Level: 2
[ Beast / Effect ]

ATK 450 / DEF 500

Effect

FLIP: Select 1 monster on the field and return it to its owner's hand.

F/L Status: Unlimited (TCG/OCG)

[fallow citrus]

... I forgot about bots

[burnt relic]

Battle of Hane-Hane

[copper pecan]

plane-plane

[copper pecan]

okay so the black dominus doubles death triggers https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1065445451714801744/image.png

1 power off from being a yargle

[golden plover]

The statlines in this set are actually insane

An invincible 8/3 for 5 and 4 life + sac two

[copper pecan]

the dominuses don't all have the same cost for the indestructibility by the way

[golden plover]

Oh right, his is exile 2 creatures or artifacts

Still a crazy statline

[copper pecan]

yeah it's wild

[golden plover]

Hell, I thought the 1 drop 1/2 vigilance flier was a wild statline

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1065447161543798844/image.png

[golden plover]

Not like broken on it's own, but there's been some crazy stat creep

[copper pecan]

green one doubles the power and toughness of all your creatures at the start of each combat

[trail anvil]

at 7 mana I feel like you might as well give it trample/give the other cards trample

ig they thought it was enough of an issue for limited

[golden plover]

The green one feels so much more fair than the black

Like it's a vigilant 8/12 on your turns

But thats also for 7 mana

[trail anvil]

alcance is reach

also it's every combat not just your combat

it's unnatural growth on a body, but you kinda don't actually want a body for that effect tbh

on top of sacrificing 2 creatures being pretty fuckin steep of a cost for green

[twilit canyon]

honestly very few cards in this set actually feel good

[trail anvil]

I feel like we've been saying that for every set

[twilit canyon]

not gonna lie

its been kinda true outside of a few outliers

idk i think this set is particularly notable

[golden plover]

I dunno, I think there's been some standout cards in every standard set recently

[twilit canyon]

the most impactful card in brothers war for standard outside of lands has been...

go for the throat

what a successful set

[golden plover]

Isn't cut down also really solid?

It's been seeing play here and there

[twilit canyon]

cut down isnt from brothers war

[golden plover]

Oh right, it's dmu

[trail anvil]

brothers war cemented azorius soldiers' place in the meta

also gave azorius control sylex and teferi

[twilit canyon]

yea it did i guess

teferi?

[trail anvil]

lay down arms has been huge removal, loran has seen play in a lot of white midrange

[golden plover]

Loran is just good overall in general

[trail anvil]

steel seraph is a great creature for white too

[twilit canyon]

loran is actually just a good card yes but not a notable card

i disagree on steel seraph personally

outside of the midrange builds

but i dont like the midrange lists

[trail anvil]

I like them, they're pure value piles

[golden plover]

Honestly, I prefer a few decent-strong cards in sets as opposed to everything being eldraine-mh2

[trail anvil]

gix has been nice for monoblack

[twilit canyon]

yea and we can have that

such as kamigawa

and new capenna

[trail anvil]

fleshgorger has been a really nice card for monoblack and esper side deck

[golden plover]

New Capenna was probably one of the most polarizing sets this entire year

[twilit canyon]

dmu had a lot more cards that stand out to me i feel vs brothers war

[golden plover]

There's like 4 really good cards in it

And then the rest of the set is awful

[twilit canyon]

thats actually just incorrect

[golden plover]

I mean there's the triomes too

But like outside of them, shredder, hearse, and I guess face breaker there's really not much there

[trail anvil]

raffine

[golden plover]

Oh right, forgot raffine

She's the other one I was thinking of

[twilit canyon]

make disappear

corpse appraiser

[trail anvil]

sanctuary warden is nice for monowhite midrange

faerie vandal is seeing play in esper as much as misty disagrees with that

[golden plover]

Oh forgot offer too, but most of snc just felt not there

[twilit canyon]

yeah there are vandal builds of esper

[trail anvil]

slip out the back is key for monoblue too

[twilit canyon]

slip out the back yeah

was just about to bring it up

[trail anvil]

what's really lacking rn is green

[twilit canyon]

green has not been a color in a while yeah

[trail anvil]

jund saw fringe meta play before by doing reanimator stuff but that wasn't sustainable

especially with graveyard trespasser dominating the format at the time

[twilit canyon]

also titan of industry

[trail anvil]

titan is a good card but not good enough to carry the color for sure

[twilit canyon]

i meant for relevant new capenna cards

[trail anvil]

they tried to do a weird aritfact theme with it in capenna and I'm kinda worried the toxic theme they got going on in ONE won't pan out either

[twilit canyon]

im actually opening the arena capenna list of cards

[trail anvil]

oh yeah

[twilit canyon]

giada

i forgot about her

she has been enabling solid angel decks in various formats

[trail anvil]

I'm still kinda surprised that ob nix fell off as hard as he did, but ig the damage each turn isn't nearly as impactful with all the lifegain in the format lmao

[twilit canyon]

raffine's informat

extraction specialist

elspeth has been fine

witness protection

an offer you can't refuse in other formats

[trail anvil]

is strangle still a staple in red control

[twilit canyon]

tenacious underdog

[trail anvil]

tenacious has been relegated to monoblack and rakdos for now but he's still hanging around yeah

[twilit canyon]

strangle is still good

unlucky witness

[trail anvil]

fight rigging needs the right deck but that card should still be good tbh

[twilit canyon]

widespread thieving and fight rigging yeah solid cards

gala greeters

topiary stomper

[trail anvil]

tainted indulgence is pretty solid tbh

[twilit canyon]

jewel thief is by all means an insane card and the second green aggro gets back on track

its gonna pop the fuck off

[trail anvil]

I think that new 3 drop in ONE might help monogreen, the toxic trample one

[twilit canyon]

toluz has been excellent tech for esper midrange

void rend, obscura interceptor

obscura charm

[trail anvil]

those have fallen off over time imo

[twilit canyon]

unleash the inferno and the jund charm

[trail anvil]

I still see some builds with toluz and interceptor but eh

[twilit canyon]

they are all still solid cards that can see play

[trail anvil]

btw this card is like a lot stronger than I initially thought

idk how strong poison counters will be in general, but the fact that this counts your own spells means you have some really annoying combos, especially with stuff like slip out the back and [[march of swirling mist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/61/march-of-swirling-mist

March of Swirling Mist <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)

[trail anvil]

so far it seems like green has some decent toxic creatures too and blue has some solid proliferate cards

[twilit canyon]

it might be fine enough

for tier 2 or so

[trail anvil]

what I'm wondering is what the "prebuilt" deck is gonna be tbh

[sudden lava]

Thin ice cant target planeswalkers, this can.

[glad peak]

Planeswalkers mattering is kind of meh

Doesn’t come up too often

Not anymore at least

[sudden lava]

plus different name so another copy of a similar card

for commander

[golden plover]

We already have [[Banishing Light]] so I dunno how many copies you'd need

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/19/banishing-light

Banishing Light <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When Banishing Light enters the battlefield, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Banishing Light leaves the battlefield.
The Champion reached for a stone, and Heliod placed the sun into her hand. —The Theriad

[golden plover]

The only place you'd need ossification is 60 card formats and I think there's better options in everything but maybe standard for that effect

And I dunno if standard really needs it?

[trail anvil]

if planeswalkers outside of wandering emperor were more common I think it'd be better placed

[copper pecan]

https://i.redd.it/sjlwmq97vwca1.png

doubles noncombat damage

cost for becoming indestructible is discarding 2 cards

[zinc shard]

4 manas abit steep for a burn deck

All Will Be One
3RR
Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more counters on a permanent or player, All Will Be One deals that same amount of damage to target opponent or target creature or planeswalker that opponent controls.

this is a really strong build around

[golden plover]

Oh hey it's the bulk red mythic with a cool effect

I'm honestly surprised this one wasn't done before

[zinc shard]

Drivnod, Dominus of the Massacre
3BB
Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Horror
If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers one more time.

[B/P][B/P], Exile three creature cards from your graveyard: Put an indestructible counter on Drivnod, Dominus of the Massacre.

[waxen holly]

I:P Masquerena

Rating: Link-2 (↙↘)
[ Cyberse / Link / Effect ]

ATK 800

Effect

2 non-Link Monsters
During your opponent's Main Phase, you can (Quick Effect): Immediately after this effect resolves, Link Summon 1 Link Monster using materials you control, including this card. You can only use this effect of "I:P Masquerena" once per turn. A Link Monster that used this card as material cannot be destroyed by your opponent's card effects.

F/L Status: Unlimited (TCG/OCG)

[zinc shard]

bruh

Zopandrel, Dominus of Hunger
5GG
Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Horror
Reach

At the start of each combat, double the power and toughness of each creature you control until end of combat.

(G/P)(G/P), Sacrifice two creatures: Put an indestructible counter on Zopandrel, Dominus of Hunger.

[clever sun]

I think I'm with Misty on this set overall feeling kinda weak

Not that it is a bad thing

[atomic harness]

I'm a bit sad given the theme of the set but it really do be like that

[clever sun]

We will see how this actually impacts standard and such

I assume though that it just further pushes Midrange decks though

[atomic harness]

caster thopter foundry finally came in the mail

[clever sun]

Nice!

How does your deck feel now?

[atomic harness]

I don't have infinite mana though, so I wonder what's the best way to go about it
because I feel like if I pull it out they'll target me even more

there was this one time I joined a casual group the moment they saw I play sword the three other dudes shit their pants and I had to keep saying I dont have infinite

deck feels a lot nicer now w the upgrades I added in
it's kinda copey but the mana myrs are neat, since they help turbo out urza (affinity for artifact creatures + tapping for his colors)

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/YreZouGlA4I

[clever sun]

They are usually quite strong yeah

They have an issue that other mana dorks are just more efficient

But otherwise fine on a budget

[atomic harness]

[sudden lava]

Alternate commander for corrupting influence

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Vishgraz-the-Doomhive-265x370.jpg

[atomic harness]

these have been the overperformers so far

from the new additions

[clever sun]

I love Sojourner's Companion

[atomic harness]

so far the biggest issue has been convincing people I'm not a threat or giving them incentive to ally with me

since I dont offer much aside from go wide hit hard artifact unga bunga

[clever sun]

That actually makes you quite a threat

But I can't help you with politics in casual

I play hard stax or miserable control even in casual

[atomic harness]

do I just deal with it and keep up the offense taking out the other most threatening player still?

urza giving the big boys menace kinda incentivizes you to keep hitting

since if a board wipe is imminent I might as well deal as much damage as possible

[clever sun]

Yeah try and balance out who is the actual threat and try and leverage that

It can also help to be more unassuming

If you have hasters

[atomic harness]

unfort no hasters
people tend to panic when they see more than one karnstruct

The other mode of this deck is uh mass draw but only if I luck into it
usually involves Shimmering Dragon and Sai master thopterist

[clever sun]

If you get targeted a lot, leaning into the grind can help

[atomic harness]

[sudden lava]

really enjoying the boros equipment theme in the new set

New ||Myr|| commander also looks like a fun build around

[lusty trench]

We did it, we broke myr galvanizer

[fallow citrus]

I love myrs so this makes me happy

[sudden lava]

remind me cuz Im an idiot, ||most myrs are colorless right?||

[lusty trench]

They are but some tap for coloured mana

[sudden lava]

sweet

[golden plover]

A decent chunk tap for colored mana

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tyrranax-Rex-Phyrexia-All-Will-One-Spoiler.png

big stomp boy

Has protection, haste, trample, and toxic 4

[lusty trench]

Man the alt art atraxas look so nice

Shame I'm never going to use her

[rigid scarab]

Carnage Tyrants cooler cousin

[lusty trench]

Better stats and haste feels good, ward 4 Vs hexproof does not

[rigid scarab]

But it is cooler

[lusty trench]

True

[sudden lava]

hexproof means you cant target it with any ability, ward only applies to opponents

[rigid scarab]

That's shroud

[sudden lava]

oh mb, even still if the opponent wants to get their targeted removal through they will have to pay the price >: D

[glad peak]

or they just kill you because you played a 8 mana do nothing

[lusty trench]

Yeah but carnage tyrant was meta in ixalan when- looks at ixalan card lists oh right yeah that might be why

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/bugn255du0da1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0cb1d87947527a8a29d1d7685aa9f52143094a3a

Second card with random affinity

I like weird affinities like this tho

Deciduous affinity with weird variants would be sick as a draft archetype thing

Like next time we go to Theros, have the white signpost uncommon be "affinity for enchantments"

[fallow citrus]

Awaken the Sleeper - 3R

Sorcery (Uncommon)

Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. If it is equipped, you may destroy all equipment attached to that creature

[[claim the firstborn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/118/claim-the-firstborn

Claim the Firstborn <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target creature with mana value 3 or less until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn.
"The deal was struck and the favor had been done. And so, under the cover of night, the debt was paid." —Tales of the Fae

[fallow citrus]

3 more mana to control anything

[glad peak]

expand the sphere is interesting because it's more copies of cartographer's survey

probably no one wants both in the same deck but it seems interesting to have in valakut land control decks

[fallow citrus]

oh ik someone pointed out uh

[[mycosynth gardens]] in amulet titan

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/256/the-mycosynth-gardens

The Mycosynth Gardens

Land — Sphere
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color.
, : The Mycosynth Gardens becomes a copy of target nontoken artifact you control with mana value X.
As the Invasion Tree grew, its branches pierced through the world's silent core.

[sudden lava]

it has haste

and its not even 8 mana, its 7

[glad peak]

7 mana do nothing isn't really better than 8 mana do nothing

[sudden lava]

Mudkip it toxics for 4, and has enough bulk to get through stuff.

[glad peak]

i know what it does, i'm saying it doesn't really do anything for that much mana

[fallow citrus]

worst case it's a card in green aggro for standard

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Prosthetic-Injector.png

this art is pretty creepy

[granite badge]

most Phyrexian art does evoke that feeling tbh

[golden plover]

I think the haste is the biggest upside

The toxic is flavor text

Sometimes it'll matter, against like lifegain or whatever

But 99% of the time, it's irrelevant

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm2SVGoXoAM0wCi?format=jpg&name=small

Official reveal

Big downside to this over ratchet bomb we didn't see from the spoiler

Oh wait I thought ratchet was opponent for some reason

I dunno if it's strictly better or not, but it seems fine

[zinc shard]

only downside compared to Bomb is Sylex is Legendary

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Infested-Fleshcutter-265x370.png

something thousand cuts and all 😅

[last glen]

Lotta can't block token generation

We racing out here

[sudden lava]

oh and concerning big rexxy boi from earlier

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tyrranax-Rex-Variant-Phyrexia-All-Will-One-Spoiler.png

http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tyrranax-Rex-Variant-2-Phyrexia-All-Will-One-Spoiler.png

[golden plover]

That art feels much worse

Oh he's one of the 20 oil slick mythics?.

Sucks if you want Norn ig

[sudden lava]

I like the first alt art, not a fan of the second

[golden plover]

Art isn't bad tho

I'm the other way around, first sucks. Second is Good

[twilit canyon]

yea agree

i dont hate the 1st much tho

[golden plover]

Any oil slick mythic that isn't norn or a walker really makes it feel worse to see tho

Well I guess the sword is a nice slick too

Since those are collectors booster bundle exclusives only and you get one with your $120 booster

[sudden lava]

also something about the text looks cleaner without the reminder text

[golden plover]

Damn they gave Atraxa really good arts

[sudden lava]

atraxa seems like a fun build around, but we still dont know what battles do

[twilit canyon]

shrapnel launcher

artifact creature - phyrexian beast

[twilit canyon]

when shrapnel launcher enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a creature. when you do, destroy target artifact an opponent controls

[fallow citrus]

I wonder if the uh

anvil deck will make good use of some of these

[sudden lava]

Veil of assimilation could work for Myr tribal if you have a way to give your tokens haste

[golden plover]

Veil doesn't give my whole board Hexproof and draw cards

0/10

[twilit canyon]

veil is awful

[golden plover]

Yeah

The only good veil had to pay for it's crimes

[[Veil of Summer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/198/veil-of-summer

Veil of Summer <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Draw a card if an opponent has cast a blue or black spell this turn. Spells you control can't be countered this turn. You and permanents you control gain hexproof from blue and from black until end of turn. (You and they can't be the targets of blue or black spells or abilities your opponents control.)

[twilit canyon]

hey dont forget

liliana of the veil is pretty okay still

[golden plover]

Oh true

And the chain veil isn't bad

[trail anvil]

I think everything revealed today is pretty underwhelming

veil of assimilation might be better with another keyword but vigilance is actually just useless on the mite tokens that can't block

[last glen]

I'm just sad the dinosaur isn't actually that great in dinosaur tribal

[sudden lava]

if corrupt green becomes a thing, maybe you play this as a finisher

[twilit canyon]

its way too much mana for that

[twilit canyon]

Hexgold Halberd - 1R

Artifact - Equipment (Uncommon)

For Mirrodin! (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 red Rebel creature token, then attach this to it.)

Equipped creature has first strike and trample during your turn

Equip 2R

[copper pecan]

seems good

[twilit canyon]

labyrinth skullbomb
artifact
1, sacrifice labyrinth skullbomb; draw a card.

2g, sacrjficr labyrinth skullbomb, target creature you control gets +3/+3 and trample until end of turn. draw a card. activate only as a sorcery.

[golden plover]

This seems like the best sphere we've seen yet. Indiscriminate draw for the price of a land ends up solid in control

It's finally happened. A dude at my locals is trying to make their own commander variant

What can we do to break this

Playtest cards being legal is immediately easy to break

I'm immediately thinking [[Buried Ogre]] is solid

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/36/buried-ogre

Buried Ogre <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Ogre
You may begin the game with Buried Ogre in your graveyard. If you do, you lose 1 life.
6/4

[twilit canyon]

food chain

just play food chain first sliver with goblin bombardment as ur wincon

kenrith can also win the game

[zinc shard]

whatever that combo was that lets you throw a chair onto the table

[twilit canyon]

literally nothing stops kenrith from doing lab jace

kenrith is actually optimal here

best commander value and has various combos u can make infinite mana with that can go infinite through kenrith

[zinc shard]

also am i reading this correctly or did they not ban Llanowar Elves?

[twilit canyon]

they did not

they havent banned [[arbor elf]] either

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/160/arbor-elf

Arbor Elf <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Untap target Forest.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

or fyndhorn elves

[zinc shard]

wonder if that's intentional or they just forgot

[twilit canyon]

they 100% forgot

anyhow yeah food chain combo works here

completely untouched

kenrith is untouched

ikra kraum can be ran too

with minor adjustments

tasigur control

you can do tasigur neoform to cheat in nezahal, tidesprout/hullbreaker

elsha top can still win here

oh korvold

korvold stomps this format still

even without dockside

they missed a ton of good dorks too

ignoble hierarch

orcish lumberjack

tiner wall

win with chain of smog + witherbloom apprentice

[golden plover]

The proxy rule is actually wack tbh

But yeah, Elsha is safe

[twilit canyon]

inalla wizards can absolutely stomp too

[lusty trench]

Wild they just decided ramp was an issue

They hit Steve for god's sake

[twilit canyon]

@clever sun can evelyn win through wgd without thoracle?

[clever sun]

Hi

Hm

Yeah easy

You draw your entire deck through WGD loops with Evelyn in play

You just need to cast JWOM

Granted it is more mana

[twilit canyon]

oh ishai tevesh sounds insane too

its a midrange adnaus deck

with a ton of solid cards to roll out without needing to worry about thoracle consult?

[clever sun]

What is this for

[twilit canyon]

this

[clever sun]

Oh a new commander variant LOL

[lusty trench]

They hit my boy steve

[clever sun]

This list and ruleset is dogshit

It fundamentally misunderstands why commander has evolved to how it has

[twilit canyon]

ye

oh thinking on esper

tivit sounds insane too

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's really not good

[twilit canyon]

u can win off time sieve still

[clever sun]

Hmm

Yeah true

Tivit is broken here for sure

[lusty trench]

they haven't banned the original dual lands

... interesting

[clever sun]

True duals and fetches are bad

The real way to get perfect mana is rainbow lands

[lusty trench]

It's just an interesting choice

[clever sun]

True duals and fetches are weak

They failed to hit the good lands

[lusty trench]

Surprised entomb isn't on here

[clever sun]

There are infinite amount of issues

You can do Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal

Sure you need bad dorks for the most part or weaker dorks combined with worse Rocks

But you can still do a ton

[twilit canyon]

yea tivit still goes infinite with time sieve and thats not even the most egregious combo they overlooked

[golden plover]

I'm p sure they left true duals because the dude is an old school guy

[twilit canyon]

lol

yeah nah this format just wouldnt work

u want battle cruiser magic to return?

specifically ban every card printed after like

2005

[golden plover]

I dunno how you prove you own a card for the sake of a proxy tbh

[twilit canyon]

usually ppl put them in a binder

to prove they have it

like i do

i dont play my duals

i have em in my showcase binder to show i have these cards

[granite badge]

"Commanders must have a MV of 5" is where this goes from meh to unreasonable to me

[twilit canyon]

its stupid cus it stops literally nothing

[lusty trench]

Can't play isamaru

[twilit canyon]

it just makes everyone get stomped by strong fatty commanders

[lusty trench]

[golden plover]

Can't play Roghark Yoshimaru

Which honestly, he's lost to that so that's probably the reason

[lusty trench]

Is the guy who made these rules going to be playing in the event?

[twilit canyon]

loool

[lusty trench]

Cause if so... Yikes

[golden plover]

Yeah probably

Event was supposed to be this week and failed

[lusty trench]

Do these rules clearly benefit the decks they're known to play?

[golden plover]

He plays battle cruiser shit

[lusty trench]

And there we go

[twilit canyon]

this doesnt benefit battle cruiser magic

this doesnt stop any of the "issues" he thinks commander has

[lusty trench]

Ah apologies, I'm not too familiar on what cards make different deck themes good or not and assumed lack of fast mana and limiting interaction would assist a battle strategy

[twilit canyon]

nope

magic creature power creep has gotten intense

theres no way to go back to battle cruiser magic without acknowledging this

[copper pecan]

he didn't ban craterhoof behemoth or blightsteel colossus

fam...

[twilit canyon]

theres a million other issues

korvold existing can solo every battle cruiser deck ever made

ikra kraum midrange decks and kenrith can farm every battle cruiser deck

[copper pecan]

sakura tribe elder banned
?????????????????????????????????????????????????

[twilit canyon]

tivit, tasigur, inalla

all can destroy whatever battle cruiser deck they bring to the table

[lusty trench]

My boy Steve died for nothing

I see

I think I'll do more research on Edh as a format cause I've just been building whatever, at the very least it'll help my deck building and might help my understanding of why things are good

[twilit canyon]

things are good when they affect the table all at once

generally

if a card can win the game by itself, even better

another thing that makes the game good, is when you can play these cards very far ahead of curse

*curve

hence fast mana being great

[lusty trench]

I see

So by limiting the fast mana options they're not fixing any of the actual issues of edh but instead challenging the nature of edh?

[twilit canyon]

all it does is it makes decks go deeper into the midrange/control combo routes

[lusty trench]

I see

[twilit canyon]

cus u still arent likely to stop them (especially by banning interaction like force of will)

[lusty trench]

I think I get it now, thanks for explaining this to me my experience on edh has mainly been limited to me just playing games at locals with people just playing whatever

[glad peak]

Welp time to just play akroma/kamal stax

Just to bastardize his vision for the format

[twilit canyon]

i like the idea of running tivit here

that will be a fun thing to watch him realize

[golden plover]

Yeah honestly. I already have stax and can just cut random shit from Elsha until he revises it

[twilit canyon]

play tivit

have him etb

and then cast time sieve

and watch him literally cry

[golden plover]

Oh true

Wait I can play Korvold too?

Yeah this list is dumb

[twilit canyon]

yes korvold

i mentioned it already lol

korvold will auto win vs any battle cruiser deck

[glad peak]

Yawgmoth’s testament is legal huh

More consistency to food chain

[trail anvil]

are mana dorks strong in edh or

I thought rocks were typically the go-to

[glad peak]

Dorks are the go to if you’re in green

Unless you mean the ones like Sol ring, mana crypt, and the like

The 2-3 mana ones aren’t really good if you have access to dorks

[atomic harness]

Can someone eli5 me on what battle cruiser magic is

is that like what boomer mtg is to ygo

[hidden ermine]

Big dumb beaters crashing into each other

[glad peak]

Kinda

Imagine what people think was the first yugioh format: blue eyes + 2 tribute monsters

[twilit canyon]

beyond boomer magic

its delusional magic

[glad peak]

Except you know from history that it never happened, same for magic

Super expensive creatures that don’t do anything coming into play and somehow no one having cards in hand

[atomic harness]

oh so its cringe magic

[glad peak]

It just doesn’t happen nor is it fun

[copper pecan]

it's magic but every creature is colossal dreadmaw

[twilit canyon]

p sure dreadmaw can clear most things ppl call battle cruiser magic

[atomic harness]

[[colossal dreadmaw]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/176/colossal-dreadmaw

Colossal Dreadmaw <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Trample (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
If you feel the ground quake, run. If you hear its bellow, flee. If you see its teeth, it's too late.
6/6

[copper pecan]

reprint soon, lads

[atomic harness]

I'm giga casual and even this looks ass

[copper pecan]

it is

[atomic harness]

[copper pecan]

but it was good in limited so they reprinted it like 3 sets in a row and it became a meme

[glad peak]

Trample is too strong for battlecruiser

[atomic harness]

oh I mean the format

[copper pecan]

oh lmao

[twilit canyon]

battlecruiser isnt really a format

its a mentality

[atomic harness]

im guessing even precons are too strong for this?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[atomic harness]

insane

[twilit canyon]

interaction is sacrilege for battlecruiser magic

so any precon with removal?

a solid gameplan?

[glad peak]

Look at Sheldon’s decks and remove the only removal card he has from it

Then you’re almost there

[twilit canyon]

keep digging away at playable creatures

[atomic harness]

wait do the commanders need to have exactly 5 cmc or at least?

[twilit canyon]

no

but generally battlecruiser commanders are gonna be fat and expensive

and really bad

[glad peak]

Think something like

Hold on let me get my binder

Wait no a lot was in the more recent sets

The [[Tarrasque]] would be too powerful for battlecruiser tbh

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/207/the-tarrasque

The Tarrasque <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dinosaur
The Tarrasque has haste and ward as long as it was cast.
Whenever The Tarrasque attacks, it fights target creature defending player controls.
When it rises, nations fall.
10/10

[glad peak]

But yeah stuff like this is what they mean by “real magic”

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

If your creatures are less than 6cmc, you’re not playing real magic

[atomic harness]

What about affinity for artifacts

[[sojourner's companion]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/235/sojourners-companion

Sojourner's Companion <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact Creature — Salamander
Affinity for artifacts
Artifact landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for an artifact land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
Before Phyrexia's corruption, many of Mirrodin's creatures were more curious than cruel.
4/4

[atomic harness]

it says 7 kidge

[glad peak]

Affinity is a sweat mechanic, get out of here you sweaty nerd

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

says a sweaty nerd

[last glen]

creatures are true magic

my preferences are definitely not influenced by any other card games I play

[atomic harness]

I'm just here since I love artifacts

[copper pecan]

token gang

i love controlling 7 creatures at once

[atomic harness]

i like tokens too
Mostly thopters and karnstructs

[golden plover]

Pulled off one of my favorite dumb wins tonight:
Playing Ghen Stax, I locked down the table with 20 life, solitary confinement, and bolas's citadel. Used two tutors to stack [[Approach of the Second Sun]], then put it in hand won at 5 life left

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https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun

Approach of the Second Sun <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
If this spell was cast from your hand and you've cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. Otherwise, put Approach of the Second Sun into its owner's library seventh from the top and you gain 7 life.

[sudden lava]

wooper turbo 😮

[golden plover]

We didn't even consider what dumb silver border stuff we can do with this

I'm sure there's plenty of dumb silver border and playtest cards that can make the game miserable

The obvious is looping ashnod's coupon

Oh wait, this means HEROES OF THE REALM CARDS ARE LEGAL

Time to do dumb shit with [[Sol, Advocate Eternal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ph18/3/sol-advocate-eternal

Sol, Advocate Eternal <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Angel
Legendary partner (You can have two commanders if this is one of them. The other one is promoted to legendary.)
Flying, vigilance
Teamwork — Whenever you attack or block with both Sol, Advocate Eternal and its partner, support 4 and investigate four times.
Heroes endure; legends prevail.
4/4

[golden plover]

Fuck, 4 mv

[copper pecan]

man, sol is such a broken card

[golden plover]

Sol is insanely busted

[copper pecan]

any deck that isn't running a partner already would run sol

[golden plover]

You can run sol and partner shit like blood artist too

There's better options, but that was the first thought

[copper pecan]

oh god i didn't even notice that you could just have literally anything as the other commander

[golden plover]

Wait new idea: use [[Decorated Knight]] to just grab my cedh deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/hho/19/decorated-knight-present-arms

Decorated Knight <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Knight
Whenever Decorated Knight attacks, draw a card from your original deck if it's outside the game.
3/3

Present Arms
Sorcery — Adventure
Exchange your library with another deck you own from outside the game. Shuffle your library.

[golden plover]

Gonna immediately get that one banned

[copper pecan]

[golden plover]

It's like $20, I don't even have to proxy it

I'll just build a second Elsha deck that runs this dude

[granite badge]

omg this is literally the funniest thing ever

reminds me of Lost World in Buddyfight

[golden plover]

Another funny idea:

Loop [[Double Cross]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ugl/31/double-cross

Double Cross <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Choose another player. Look at that player's hand and choose a card other than a basic land card from it. They discard that card. At the beginning of the first upkeep in your next game with that player, look at that player's hand and choose a card other than a basic land card from it. They discard that card.
"You're in for a nasty butt-kickin'."

[golden plover]

Make it so he starts every future game with 0 cards in hand

[copper pecan]

double cross is on the banlist

[golden plover]

Oh fuck

Makes sense

[trail anvil]

man you can discard nonbasic lands with this lol

[golden plover]

Yeah this card is nuts

[trail anvil]

well that "discard at the start of next game" part is ridiculous but 5 mana discard 1 in the game you're playing is probably extremely late for a discard

[copper pecan]

apparently they wanted to use this mechanic in future sight but it got shot down for 1. being really broken and 2. impossible to have work on mtgo

[golden plover]

Wait I just realized he banned [[Lotus Cobra]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/znr/193/lotus-cobra

Lotus Cobra <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, add one mana of any color.
Its hood blossoms as a warning: receive your gift, but stray no closer.
2/1

[golden plover]

Poison isn't an issue, but lmao

[zinc shard]

Poison
Fun

[atomic harness]

Infect is fun

what is Toxic anyway, poopier infect?

[zinc shard]

yeah, isntead of placing poison equal to the damage, it does a set number (Toxic 1 places 1 counter for example)

[atomic harness]

Ohh

[fallow citrus]

Tablet of Compleation
Artifact
T: Put an oil counter on Tablet of Compleation.

T: Add ◊. Activate only if Tablet of Compleation has two or more oil counters on it.

1, T: Draw a card. Activate only if Tablet of Compleation has five or more oil counters on it.

Serum Core Chimera - 2UR

Creature - Phyrexian Chimera (Uncommon)

Flying

Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, put an oil counter on Serum Core Chimera.

Remove three oil counters from Serum Core Chimera: Draw a card. Then, you may discard a nonland card. When you discard a card this way, Serum Core Chimera deals 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker. Activate only as a sorcery.

2/4

[sleek ferry]

Was reading through the comments

how can you guys possibly think new atraxa is bad

loo at top 10 and you're most likely adding at least 4 cards if not more? This is prob game winning most of the time in commander

[lusty trench]

I was viewing it under the lense of would I run this with the other atraxa and that's why I'm disappointed in it

Like it does nothing to further my strategy and if I wanted card advantage there are cheaper and better ways to get it

[fallow citrus]

I mean maybe in that

but the new atraxa is good you just need to think about the context you're running it in

[[atraxa, grand unifier]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/196/atraxa-grand-unifier

Atraxa, Grand Unifier <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Angel
Flying, vigilance, deathtouch, lifelink
When Atraxa, Grand Unifier enters the battlefield, reveal the top ten cards of your library. For each card type, you may put a card of that type from among the revealed cards into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. (Artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, and sorcery are card types.)
7/7

[lusty trench]

I'm not denying the body and card advantage are good, but idk I'm just let down, feels a bit boring

[fallow citrus]

And a lot of people would say regular atraxa is boring too

this has some cool applications in standard with some of the new reanimator cards

[sleek ferry]

regular atraxa is 100% one of the most boring commanders ever

proliferate in general is a very vanilla/boring mechanic

[fallow citrus]

[[geth thane of contracts]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/95/geth-thane-of-contracts

Geth, Thane of Contracts <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Zombie
Other creatures you control get -1/-1.
, : Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains "If this creature would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else." Activate only as a sorcery.
"It seems someone forgot to read the fine print."
3/4

[fallow citrus]

this with the new atraxa

sheesh

are there any good ways to get atraxa in grave though

other than the [[otherworldy gaze]] and [[consider]] stuff

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https://scryfall.com/card/mid/67/otherworldly-gaze

Otherworldly Gaze <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 3. (Look at the top three cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/44/consider

Consider <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
Draw a card.
Ivold gasped in surprise. Either a very strange insect had crawled onto one of the lenses or he was seeing geists at last!

[fallow citrus]

are we about to see faithful mending playable

[trail anvil]

I don't think anyone posted this yet?

looks like an interesting sidegrade to certain creatures, in standard you're probably getting more value out of this than your regular "when your creature dies deal 1 heal 1"

[golden plover]

Jesus. That's insanely strong in pauper

[glad peak]

Huh looks like draft just got their best color

[sudden lava]

I like the new Atraxa, big value

I just dont know what battles do

[merry owl]

7 mana 💀

[golden plover]

Man it's gonna suck that Tibalt's only compleated card will be alchemy only

Since he's dead, he won't get one in MOM

[hidden ermine]

Wait hes dead dead?

[golden plover]

Yeah, Tyvar stabbed him in the chest and threw him off a bridge

[hidden ermine]

... but why

[golden plover]

Revenge for Tyvar, but it was kinda pointless over all

He was literally the only person Tyvar fought the entire storyline

But yeah, congrats on his alchemy card

Time for it to randomly conjure cards or something so he couldn't get a paper one

[lusty trench]

Nah he's fine, it's tybalt

[golden plover]

He's probably dead, but they could just bring him back

[glad peak]

They’ll bring him back the same way they brought back Loki in the mcu

They even killed him off in the same way

[twilit canyon]

wait no shor

*shot

inb4 tibalt ends up back bc teferi time plots to fix the phyrexian victory

[glad peak]

Fits because he went back in time in brothers war and they went through a bunch of obstacles to not change anything

Which suggests it’s a lot easier to go back to change something

[fallow citrus]

Basilica Skullbomb (?) - {1}

Artifact (Common)

1, sac ~: Draw a card

2W, sac ~: Target creature you control gets +2/+2 and gains flying until end of turn. Draw a card. Activate only as a sorcery

[glad peak]

Can’t wait for the “basilica skullbomb good in hammer???” takes

[twilit canyon]

these bombs are kinda decent

nah no way in hammer

[glad peak]

“But but it’s fetchable with saga and it’s white and you can give your hammer dudes flying”

[fallow citrus]

3U

Artifact

Flash

At the beginning of your upkeep, put an oil counter on ~

Instants and sorcery spells you cast cost 1 less to cast for each oil counter on ~

3

Artifact creature - phyrexian golem

Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, if it has at least one oil counter on it, put an oil counter on it.

Creatures you control with oil counters on them get +1/+1

2/3

[twilit canyon]

sanity plate golem

and spirit-invading device?

[golden plover]

Huh, flashback

[hidden ermine]

Seems ... interesting?

[twilit canyon]

its gas yea but unfortunately a 5 drop

[fallow citrus]

ok the 1 drop bombs are a cycle

2U, sac ~: Return target creature to its owners hand. Draw a card. Activate only as a sorcery

2B, sac ~: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand. Draw a card. Activate only as a sorcery

1R, sac ~: Put two oil counters on target artifact or creature you control. Draw a card. Activate only as a sorcery

2G, sac ~: Target creature you control gets +3/+3 and gains trample until end of turn. Draw a card. Activate only as a sorcery

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507388259165536263/1066057869021155510/Screenshot_20230120-181236_YouTube.jpg

is this what legacy is like

[twilit canyon]

no

no one plahs hydro or blue elemental in a serious match

[glad peak]

That’s what pauper was like (minus borrower)

[trail anvil]

that's like the most typical not-death flag

[copper pecan]

we heard a crunching noise when he landed though

and tyvar saw the body

[lusty trench]

It's tybalt, he's fine

[tough nymph]

Currently playing a mono red lathlass dragon tribal deck in edh

[twilit canyon]

tibalt mcfreaking explodes as he hits the ground

"hmmm maybe hes not dead"

[sleek ferry]

In before Tybalt faked his death, comes back in the last act, kills Elesh Norn personally, and becomes a Nicol Bolas level threat

[twilit canyon]

👍

[tough nymph]

I am a Timmy

Dragons are cool

[twilit canyon]

i have never fairly cast a spell over 5 mana

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/maro254/status/1616495073340059648?s=46&t=o0LyVr8G1ODko6O-_X0eLA

Mark Rosewater (@maro254)

@mtg_ds To save everyone some time, flashback has become deciduous. : )

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Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 5:57 PM

nice

[glad peak]

Imagine casting something for more than 4 mana

[copper pecan]

imagine having never cast colossal dreadmaw

can't be me

[glad peak]

Why cast it when you can get multiple into play for free

[copper pecan]

limited

[twilit canyon]

i sneak in my copy of sneak attack to every limited event i play

[glad peak]

My impenetrable logic wins again

[trail anvil]

isn't he a master of disguise

it wouldn't surprise me if he weaseled his way out somehow

is it just me or is this lookin kinda playable?

at least depending on how reasonable corrupted is to achieve

[lusty trench]

This feels good in limited at the very least

Love orzhov card arts they're always fire

[trail anvil]

for real

[lusty trench]

Makes me want to play it more but it's hard finding a commander I like

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/bsweitz123/status/1616485373886226434?t=6YSMioBtuL8cwy0AhQr-kA&s=19

Ben Weitz (@bsweitz123)

You may notice there are no +1/+1 counters in ONE. This was decided pretty early on, and Play Design had to institute a swear jar for every time one of us suggested a +1/+1 counter somewhere.

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Twitter · Jan 20, 2023, 5:18 PM

[copper pecan]

i still wish we got some -1/-1 counters

love those

[glad peak]

At least they realize how boring +1/+1 counters are for draft

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1066142952314916874/image.png?width=485&height=676

[last glen]

[[Imposter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/nec/13/imposter-mech

Imposter Mech <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact — Vehicle
You may have Imposter Mech enter the battlefield as a copy of a creature an opponent controls, except it's a Vehicle artifact with crew 3 and it loses all other card types.
Crew 3
The best way to fight evil is with its own weapons.
3/1

[atomic harness]

mail day