even the normal full art lands look beautiful
#Magic the Gathering
twilit canyon
sheeeesh
fallow citrus
need those islands and plains
twilit canyon
love all these
clever sun
These lands OH MY
sleek ferry
They’re so fitting for their respective praetors
fallow citrus
golden plover
Those are sick
clever sun
Ten walkers this set is gonna be annoying
sleek ferry
Let’s go Jodah super friends in standard
last glen
1 for every color makes sense
sleek ferry
(Actually not, the deck fucking sucks to vs when they start snowballing)
golden plover
So that confirms Luka is compleated, and Kairo is probably safe
clever sun
Jace, Kaito for blue
Koth, Lukka for Red
Nahiri, Emperor for White
Vraska, Kaya for Black
Nissa, Tyvar for Green
Yeah my list is gonna be:
Jace -> compleated
Lukka -> compleated
Nahiri -> compleated
Vraska -> compleated
Nissa -> compleated
last glen
When you put it like that
It feels a lot easier to predict
last glen
They confirmed it's not Koth
clever sun
Ah
Then yeah
Bye Lukka
We hardly knew ya
Like literally this would be his third story appearance
last glen
I'm going back and forth on Black
clever sun
Kaya and Emperor are far too powerful to reasonably compleat
Both of them have defeated a Praetor in single combat
clever sun
Emperor herself would have eliminated Jin if it wasn't for Tezzeret saving Jin last minute
Yeah could be for sure but they are also really new walkers and they have story to keep telling with them
Compared to everyone else they are all just too new and would likely not bite the dust here
golden plover
We know that ||Jace|| gets compleated from the Quintorius leaker
So yeah, you're probably right
last glen
The thing is
Do you think they will both protect Kaito and Emperor?
golden plover
Probably
last glen
Surely they milk the character drama by splitting them
golden plover
They can use this to write out a bunch of old walkers
clever sun
Kaito and Emperor are both pretty damn strong as far as walkers are concerned
Emperor in particular
golden plover
Also, considering ||Jace|| is getting compleated, it's probably reversible
clever sun
She might be our most powerful walker in terms of power level in lore at the moment besides Teferi
last glen
Even if it is reversible, you still have to wonder the timetable of when
sleek ferry
I hope not, they deserve to die
golden plover
I feel like the bigger shakeup will be a death outside of compleation
clever sun
And the complications with Emperor being compleated
If she ever falls unconscious she walks away
sleek ferry
Elesh Norn has to get at least 1 notable kill imo
last glen
If anyone listens back to the announcement
golden plover
Even if it is reversible, you still have to wonder the timetable of when
There's only one more set this arc
So likely then
clever sun
So she would willingly need to be compleated
last glen
I didn't take note of the specific language
last glen
So I don't know if the split is
5 compleated/5 noncompleated but maybe they die
or
5 compleated or die/5 totally safe
sleek ferry
So March of the Machines is the equivalent of WAR yeah?
clever sun
I have a feeling
We will see the ramifications of this event happen throughout the next few magic sets
fallow citrus
Perhaps the next few sets where we revisit locations will be like a kind of
sweeping out phyrexians holding out and also just rebuilding
clever sun
They may stop Elesh Norn herself but because the Phyrexians managed to spread out there are still Phyrexian threats around the multiverse
My guess will be: they stop Elesh Norn, Urabrask takes over and undoes the Phyrexian hive mind and grants sovereign rule of all individual species oppressed on Mirrodin
But Sheoldred and Jin survive and try and recoup their losses in other worlds
sleek ferry
Let Sheoldred survive so Kaya can kill her
clever sun
Vorinclex, not caring about any side besides who is the strongest, likely dies. Or ends up serving with Urabrask or going with Sheoldred/Jin
Yeah the story then goes on as the surviving, uncompleated walkers hunt down those that escaped
Maybe say
Jin kidnaps Tamiyo to prevent her from being turned back to normal
Either mentally or both
Sheoldred takes Vraska
Vorinclex takes Nissa
sleek ferry
Just make Kaya kill them all, it fits her character
clever sun
Hot take then, Jace and Nahiri die permanently in the struggle
Or are the first to be saved from the hive mind
Jin takes Tamiyo because of her knowledge of secrets throughout the multiverse
Such as the moon in Innistrad
or maybe Tamiyo directly leads Jin to Eldraine for some device
and Vraska takes Sheoldred or helps her get to Ixalan
rigid scarab
Wait for Caverns of Ixalan my son
clever sun
Caverns of Ixalan makes me think that it could involve hunting down the remaining Praetor(s) there now
sleek ferry
The fact that we have eldraine as a set coming up would make me think Vorinclex lives
No other praetor makes sense in eldraine
copper pecan
if there isn't a reprint of colossal dreadmaw in caverns of ixalan i will unironically be disappointed
clever sun
No other praetor makes sense in eldraine
Sheoldred was originally gonna appear in Eldraine
They went back and removed her from the set though
Though I can see Wilds of Eldraine being a more favored terrain for Vorinclex
sleek ferry
I mean if you think about it, you don’t really gain anything from killing Vorinclex
Vorinclex is no mastermind, he is the most feral of all the praetors and seems to act solely on survival instinct
clever sun
He does for the most part yes
twilit canyon
compleated vraska preview
twilit canyon
[[!phyrexian gargantua]]
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twilit canyon
ppl point out that new venser is in a body like this
ppl are also pointing out
jace in the what-if art has the luxior
which is confirmed to hurt phyrexians more than usual
golden plover
Huh I just realized Koth is rare
twilit canyon
so i can see it being a case that hes a sleeper agent for the good guys
lets himself get compleated
golden plover
I wonder if that means one cycle will be rare and the other is mythic
golden plover
I think our rares will be mono and mythics dual because compleated
Although Lukka and Nahiri are both Boros?
Lukka could be Gruul maybe
copper pecan
it's so weird that lukka is boros and not gruul
twilit canyon
nahiri started out as mono-white
granite badge
GIVE ME
golden plover
She's mostly been mono-white, but the compleated cards use hybrid mana
Her only hybrid color is Boros
Also, I'm thinking that the Abzan commander is Glissa
golden plover
Yeah it could not be by color then
Since Nahiri being safe either means Emperor is gone or something else
But that confirms her being safe
twilit canyon
this doesnt mean nahiri is safe?
golden plover
If her sword is the set symbol, it's probably important
Maybe she's not wielding it, but they picked her sword for a reason
golden plover
Finally off work. Gonna guess this for our compleated walkers if the color theory is true
hidden ermine
Arent both the Emperor and Lukka white?
golden plover
Lukka is red primary
Nahiri is the other white one
Lukka is basically confirmed to be Compleated if color theory works, because Koth is confirmed safe
sudden lava
damn
fallow citrus
aren't all those alt arts of every walker compleated
copper pecan
i've seen it
golden plover
aren't all those alt arts of every walker compleated
Yeah there's one for each walker
last glen
oh they confirmed the image during the stream
so I guess it's not a leak anymore
although maybe sorta since we got it in high def
last glen
damn Stone Brain call Mountain is a very funny play against mono-red
twilit canyon
it only eats 4 mountains
it isnt all that amazing especially if a red deck curves out (3 lands)
you might be doing them a favor
golden plover
Yeah you're better off calling other things unless they're on a very small splash
last glen
still
four lands out of how many?
including ripping from hand
twilit canyon
4 out of 20
tops
and they likely already played out all the needed lands
red only wants to draw 3 lands tops
maybe 4
but often just 2-3
last glen
if I buy alt-arts on Arena and I don't own the card
do I get one copy of the card?
golden plover
Nope
last glen
lamo
trail anvil
god dude I had someone name a basic land type when I was playing 3c in historic brawl
they literally only exiled 3 lands out of my library lmao
nice 4 mana spent
glad peak
Merely exile all basics then get blood mooned
I remember pulling the fabled turn 1 blood moon + commander (with a bunch of rituals of course) in a table with 3 other 3-5c decks and they all happened to start with 3-5 basics on no mulligans
trail anvil
did arena's update make it so any card that has more info just gets pushed off to the left side?
I'm seeing a lot of cards that I can barely read the text for cause they're pushed offscreen
also just learned piece it together only takes an extra turn if the intensity is exactly 4 which makes me kinda sad
clever sun
Yes some cards seem to be too far into the edge
lusty trench
So with what we know of the 10 planeswalkers
Thoughts on this?
A failed charge on elesh Norn/ sheoldred by these 5?
sleek ferry
I would say these are the 5 that get ||compleated||
But then I would also say that ||kaya can probably overcome compleation||
Everybody else though? Idk
lusty trench
Man if either kaito or wanderer get compleated but not both that's gonna be devastating, or if Jace does and vraska doesn't
glad peak
Maybe that’s the point
copper pecan
nahiri going on her podcast to explain that the soi block was just a heated gamer moment
lusty trench
Tempted to build chun li multikicker flicker
fallow citrus
really weirdly feels like selesnya enchantments is super common in standard arena
at like plat 4
twilit canyon
idt wanderer can be compleated
itd be a huge reach given she needs to concentrate to not planeswalk
so attempting to capture her would involve a lot to happen and attempting to compleat her would mean she needs to be willing to go through the process and has to concentrate for the whole thing
she cant lose concentration thru a very painful process in which everyone we have seen compleated has fallen unconscious during so she would just planeswalk out
similarly for kaya, she could phase past any attempts to capture her
zinc shard
Free stuff for logging in
twilit canyon
the other 3 arent safe but killing off 3 mono-green walkers in one set? seems tough
last glen
Free stuff for logging in
Like, for today specifically?
twilit canyon
yea seems to be cus of the logging in errors yesterday for that specific reward
ill log in soon to check
zinc shard
"We apologize for the recent disruptions that may have impacted your play experience. The issues should now be resolved. Thank you for your patience while we fixed this issue"
copper pecan
just when 7-2 in bruh war draft
felt great
shout out to [[sculpting steel]] for winning like half of those games for me
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fallow citrus
[[forgefire automaton]]
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Artifact Creature -- Construct
Prototype 
— 3/2
At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card with power less than Forgefire Automaton's power from your graveyard to the battlefield. Its base power perpetually becomes equal to Forgefire Automaton's power.
8/5
fallow citrus
not bad
copper pecan
yeah one of the two losses i had in the draft was because of this
it's a crazy card
trail anvil
[[forgefire automaton]]
if you can keep it alive, looks like insane value
I might wanna craft it for nethroi brawl
broken fjord
Apparently Slicer, hired muscle is crazy strong. Super aggressive red voltron/stax.
golden plover
So the Junji Ito secret lair bonus card isn't a sketch or anything like usual
Looks like it was probably norn (the original) and they moved the art to ONE to drive up sales
broken fjord
Or they just had him do the art for ONE since they had access to him
golden plover
Every other artist lair has had the bonus card be an artist card
This is the singular exception
Seems more probable they moved the card
copper pecan
bruh
golden plover
Also notably these aren't the spoiled arts, so theyre probably real
last glen
they really chose to take the least legible picture of those huh
wait braincheck
are these in ONE
or are these from a future set
or from a Secret Lair bonus
hidden ermine
Well
golden plover
Vraska has a 0 mana proliferate and draw a card
hidden ermine
That confirms compleation is temporary
last glen
I wanna know where these are from before I start disseminating misinformation on the internet
golden plover
WAIT I MIGHT BE RIGHT
copper pecan
where did you find this?
golden plover
golden plover
Huh Jace's ult is "draw X cards"
Yeah Lukka is guaranteed to be Compleated
Higher quality one
Looks like the Vraska 0 gives you a poison counter?
Maybe it's "You draw a card for each poison counter target opponent player has. Proliferate"
The -9 looks like it doubles a players poison counters
Looks like the compleated cycle is mythic and the regular walkers are rare
copper pecan
the nissa seems kinda crazy
steady onyx
copper pecan
wait actually nvm i just remembered what compleated does, this is fine
poison counters are good in some formats
infect is an archetype that exists
golden plover
Yeah the Nissa is only really good if you hard cast her
I think the Vraska has the most potential based on who gets a poison counter off her 0
copper pecan
i legit thought for a second this was a 5 mana planeswalker that makes a 7/7 as an uptick
golden plover
But we'd also have to see her MV
OH LUKKA IS BOROS
The collectors numbers rule out mono red
They don't rule out mono-white tho
hidden ermine
Nissa seems bad tbqh
golden plover
Yeah she seems weak
hidden ermine
Apparently its not Lukka
Vraska and Nissas numbers are right next to each other
There is no compleated red walker (?)
twilit canyon
could be out of order cus these are collector prints
golden plover
There is no compleated red walker (?)
Lukka is Boros
hidden ermine
Wasnt he only boros because of his companion?
golden plover
Yeah, but he's able to be in any color because of that
I'm still sure Nahiri is safe tho
golden plover
They're treating him as "blue" for this
golden plover
I can't see it
twilit canyon
so itd be lukka, kaito, jace, vraska, nissa
golden plover
Nahiri is secondary in red and Lukka is primarily red
I'm still pretty sure my prediction from before was right
twilit canyon
i highly doubt nahiri lives
i also doubt emperor dies here
i wish they paired them better so we could have a clear understanding at what color they are
cus u can technically pair a lot of these in different ways
kaito could be black with kaya
or black with vraska
kaya could be white or black
golden plover
Kaito is blue primary
Kaya is the only weird one where she's been White primary mostly
But Vraska was green primary, and she's mono black
Oh apparently Vraska has always been black primary?
OHH PW DECK CARD
twilit canyon
yes she was
kaya has actually never been mono-colored
iirc
but the big thing is that i dont think the emperor can be compleated
by the given rules of compleation
unless she willingly gets compleated
zinc shard
aw Jace and Vraska can be together now... as Mechanical abominations
golden plover
I think she can, it's just not likely
twilit canyon
in what way could she be?
remember
she has to concentrate not to planeswalk
when tezerret knocked her out in the story one time she just instantly planeswalked away
golden plover
We don't know how the new compleation works
We hadn't seen it happen for Tamiyo or Ajani
twilit canyon
we know with squee and tamiyo that they are unconscious when it happens
golden plover
Maybe they just have to poke her with an oil syringe or something
twilit canyon
we never saw ajani get compleated
like they sneak it on her
hmm
sounds extremely unlikely that something wouldnt happen
her spark is too volatile though
golden plover
Yeah, but I think she makes the most sense here from a narrative standpoint
The drama of tearing one of the couples apart is big
twilit canyon
by terms of narrative
they already are killing one couple
technically 2
cus chandra is losing nissa
golden plover
They're just switching their side
twilit canyon
even if they werent a full couple
golden plover
Nissa and Chandra has been dead for a while now
twilit canyon
yes but this officially kills it
golden plover
Chandra was seeing Adeline for a bit prior
twilit canyon
yeah i remember
golden plover
I think they'd definitely play up the whole "He spent all that time trying to find her and now she's trying to kill him" thing
Since they're 100% gonna get turned back later
twilit canyon
hmmm also this means that the picture with the first strike team had 2 members go down at least
vraska and nissa
we know that tyvar is safe for sure
and that koth is safe
this does place a target on emperor and kaya then
i could see either of them
golden plover
Kaya is being treated as primary black
She's safe
Otherwise we'd have 3 primary white walkers and the cycle wouldn't work
Oh wait Lukka has to take a new companion each plane
He could be Rakdos or something, tried to work with a phyrexian beast
last glen
okay so apparently
the leak comes from a premature post on WotC weibo
languid quest
does anyone care about Lukka? like if he got killed or compleat woud anyone miss him?
last glen
this is third-hand info from me, mind
trail anvil
does anyone care about Lukka? like if he got killed or compleat woud anyone miss...
he's too much of an asshole in the story, maybe they want to give him some character development
I feel like nissa's strength depends on if paying 4 life means 4 less loyalty, but even still generating a 4/4 (and increasing) each turn sounds ridiculous, even at 5 mana
lusty trench
I feel like nissa's strength depends on if paying 4 life means 4 less loyalty, b...
It absolutely is gonna work how you describe
trail anvil
even still, she generates some massive bodies each turn
makes me think she'd be a nice top-end, maybe we can get her in monogreen
she might have enough value for jund too?
lusty trench
I feel odd using these land type matters cards in anything other than mono colour
fallow citrus
nothing really
sleek ferry
Really? Because I just got that stupid 9 drop artifact dropped on me turn 3 and then i died
fallow citrus
what deck is doing that t3 in standard what
sleek ferry
it all happened so fast, they cheated it out and then just kept dropping high mana cost artifacts on me
fallow citrus
I think you just got cleaned out by someone's brew
there's no relevant deck off the top of my head I can think of that's doing that in standard
glad peak
Just have more removal for the early turns, easy 
trail anvil
wait I think I know what drops that on 3, but it can't make it stick
fallow citrus
what colours was the deck in
trail anvil
but yeah most relevant decks are midrange
I'm guessing they're using that red creature that cheats artifacts and gives them haste, but sacs at end of turn
sleek ferry
it was white and black i believe? might have been a 3rd color also but i was too busy being in awe to really get a full scope at what was happening
trail anvil
I was thinking of [[arms race]] but that's too late
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trail anvil
were you playing standard? @sleek ferry
golden plover
You wouldn't wanna arms race portal no?
fallow citrus
no you wouldn't
golden plover
Because then you're just playing the world's most inefficient murder
lusty trench
The triple sac is pretty decent but it's not worth cheating out like this
trail anvil
well it's sac 3 but I'm just trying to figure out what cheats this out early
cause if you're playing historic at least there's dumb shit like [[tibalt's trickery]]
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trail anvil
idr if that was banned in that format yet
sleek ferry
it was def a white card that did it
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golden plover
There's not one in standard?
Yeah it'd have to be Invoke Justice from the graveyard
fallow citrus
I guess I could see like
trail anvil
you would need ramp twice for that though, on top of getting it in the grave
fallow citrus
a funky brew where you play cards like [[raffine's informant]] and mill cards to dump big artifacts in grave for justice
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golden plover
Yeah that's all I could see
trail anvil
are you sure you didn't divine gambit them or something
golden plover
There doesn't seem to be a white card that does that in alchemy either
Since Alchemy yields the same results
I just checked every white card with the word "artifact" on it in standard
There's nothing that could cheat it out?
fallow citrus
just played against azorius control in standard which is wild ngl
golden plover
The only other thing I see could be [[Rabble Rousing]]
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golden plover
But you're NEVER resolving that t3
fallow citrus
annoying matchup cause my hand was bad into them specifically
2 essence scatter vs planeswalkers and instants pog
sleek ferry
I figured it out, I got hit with repair and recharge turn 3 and 4
last glen
damn Arena really expects you to win fifteen games in one day
copper pecan
it doesn't
you get more stuff out of the first 4 wins than you do out of the other 11 combined
twilit canyon
skill issue?
last glen
you get more stuff out of the first 4 wins than you do out of the other 11 combi...
oh?
that's good
sleek ferry
I reached mythic a month after finishing the tutorial
And haven’t been back there since
:^)
copper pecan
the ranked incentives are like "you get a free pack once per month" or something
golden plover
Like 1-3 packs and 2 card styles
trail anvil
yeah card games are good about that
twilit canyon
its 5 packs and 5k gold
and u get to potentially qualify for bigger events that cash out
last glen
is it games/time-based or rank-based?
twilit canyon
its rank based
iirc
idk
i spend all my time in mythic which runs a different ranked system
sleek ferry
It’s rank base from bronze to plat you get 2 levels per win lose 1 per loss. After plat you gain 1 level per win lose 1 level per loss
sleek ferry
6 I believe moves you up a respective tier
twilit canyon
i dont spend more than a day or so
in lower ranks
mtga does a good job of filtering ppl to their respective rank
you rarely get mismatched hard
sleek ferry
Also, you get walled hard at diamond 2 if you’re not good enough to rank up
That’s around where the level goes up
twilit canyon
all diamonds can be hard walled
sleek ferry
From there every single tier feels harder and harder
twilit canyon
depends on the format
i hear that explorer is brutal for ranking past diamond
cus they have less players active
so mythic downpairs into diamond is a more common case there
sleek ferry
Explorer would make a lot of sense since it probably has the lowest player count. So whoever you’re vsing in the higher tiers has to be somewhat decent.
As opposed to standard where honestly I see no difference between a bronze and plat player
They’re both equally bad
last glen
How is ranked compared to unranked
sleek ferry
Your experience will feel pretty much the same until you get high up there
twilit canyon
ranked is entirely the same overall
its p much always optimal to play ranked over unranked
even if you dont climb too much you get rewards
twilit canyon
the easiest ranked metas to play are
standard/alchemy
historic
draft
explorer
twilit canyon
hot
last glen
I'm seeing people thinking that the leaked compleateds don't actually have story spoiler implications
since they might make all ten compleated versions
unrelated to the other ten compleated versions we saw on the reveal stream
trail anvil
Explorer would make a lot of sense since it probably has the lowest player count...
hopefully the latest anthology will boost the player count cause of stuff like nykthos
but it might just push historic numbers
last glen
how value are the one-time bundles
last glen
no there's these "first time player" bundles that you can only buy once
sleek ferry
Post a pic of them, I don’t remember what they include
last glen
in the middle of MD rn
memory serve me right
one of them is $5 for five assorted packs and 2500 gems
the other is $15 for 3500 gems and some cosmetics
golden plover
I'm seeing people thinking that the leaked compleateds don't actually have story...
Nah there's a version of both, but these have the "compleated" mechanic
The alt arts won't
last glen
no the argument is
they will make versions with the phyrexian mana of all ten
so the cards do not represent story spoilers
I'm not convinced, personally
but I've seen the argument and I wondered if it had teeth
last glen
r/magictcg has more ONE leaks
golden plover
I can't see toxic/corrupted working well outside draft without some pushed cards
last glen
leaks
||wait Cankerbloom is cheaper Thrashing Brontodon but also with Proliferate||
fallow citrus
toxic just gives people poison counters right
fallow citrus
I don't see them giving us a [[blighted agent]] in this set
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last glen
do you win at 10 Poison counters?
fallow citrus
yes
your opp dies at 10 poison
I can just see all the pump spells we've been given getting played
unless the cards are completely unplayable someone will make infect in standard
golden plover
Pump spells don't work on toxic
They're a set value, like poisonous
They really did nerf infect for no reason with that one
fallow citrus
oh sure
last glen
||Myr Convert is an onmicolor mana rock for only two mana||
surely that has some value
golden plover
I mean some of the ones we've seen have been that
fallow citrus
||Myr Convert is an onmicolor mana rock for only two mana||
surely that has some...
Kind of but like
I think standard has an issue that modern has rn
you can't play dorks because they die to the cheapest removal in the game and all the playable decks are running that removal
tap 2 play that it gets hit with [[cut down]] in your end
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last glen
you still play eight elves in Pioneer
make them have the out
golden plover
The general rule of thumb is that a dork that makes less mana than it's cost isn't worth it
Obviously there's exceptions like [[Paradise Druid]]
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Paradise Druid has hexproof as long as it's untapped. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
: Add one mana of any color.
"There are many kinds of duty, and mine is to see our world grow and endure."
2/1
golden plover
But they've gotta have another upside
fallow citrus
also like premium removal in pioneer is a bit suspect
golden plover
That's the reason why
fallow citrus
I think the best you have in pio is fatal push
golden plover
You don't wanna pay more mana to make a dork that's gotta last a turn than you're gonna get back
fallow citrus
the only exception to the rule I would say is yawg in modern
where you play birds and ignoble
golden plover
Yeah, but Yawg does other things too
And technically Birds is a 1 for 1
Ignoble is also 1 for 1 and Exalted
fallow citrus
they seem to be trying to push the toxic a little bit though with the corrupted keyword
so I'm doubtful they're going to make it mega bad
it'll probably fall into the "standard playable" hole
fallow citrus
yes
well oil counters are new I'm p sure
this golgari creature is exactly what I mean by standard playable too
golden plover
The issue is that so far toxic and corrupted are on different cards
We'd need cards with both to make corrupted work
And Toxic feels bad on it's own
sleek ferry
The $5 one is prob the one I would go for
last glen
damn I have been turboing through ranked
and I feel like my winrate was pretty good in unranked too
last glen
slightly modified Werewolf starter deck
I'll post it after this
not a super-edited list
just swapped some things out and in
I honestly haven't updated it after grabbing a bunch of cards from various places
I should update it again sometime
zinc shard
Lookin good
fallow citrus
clever sun
16/9
glad peak
welp the ||2 mana 3/2 with upside|| that was leaked is concerning
golden plover
welp the ||2 mana 3/2 with upside|| that was leaked is concerning
Yeah this was mega pushed tbh
lusty trench
what
golden plover
It's a super pushed version of [[Thrashing Brontodon]]
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Creature — Dinosaur
, Sacrifice Thrashing Brontodon: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
It cares more about preserving the herd's territory than about preserving itself.
3/4
zinc shard
fallow citrus
I'll take pushed green card over more pushed black cards
lusty trench
I'll take pushed green card over more pushed black cards
No, the pushed black cards must go even further beyond
golden plover
I mean we're also getting phyrexian obliterator this set
fallow citrus
because that was just what standard needed
lusty trench
I mean we're also getting phyrexian obliterator this set
Yeah but that's not enough
I need more
Mono black needs to be the only viable strategy in both standard and pioneer
Then sheoldred will be banned in both and I can pick up one for like £5 cheaper
glad peak
You want to get even more 4 drops in black?
lusty trench
Yes
glad peak
Not a smart deck building decision 
lusty trench
I want and entire mono black set
glad peak
Anyways I’m glad they’re expanding what poison counters can do with the corrupted mechanic
lusty trench
It's a lot more interesting of a take then just half your life total
glad peak
I want and entire mono black set
I’m not talking about more cards, I’m talking about black decks running too many 4 drops then dying to anything fast
fallow citrus
aw but that was interesting
I want to swing my glistener elf at you and then drop every mutagenic growth from my hand onto it
lusty trench
I’m not talking about more cards, I’m talking about black decks running too many...
They should run more
glad peak
I mean, I know you want easy wins but
fallow citrus
lusty trench
I want to swing my glistener elf at you and then drop every mutagenic growth fro...
Ah the old turn 1 glistener elf turn 2 dump the 4 copies of mutagenic
glad peak
It’s pretty easy to win when your opponent can’t do anything until turn 4 
glad peak
Ah the old turn 1 glistener elf turn 2 dump the 4 copies of mutagenic
9 poison? Bad play
lusty trench
I mean, I know you want easy wins but <:ToadallyConcerned:935911047833989230>
Wdym I'm gonna be the one doing it 
golden plover
Yeah I don't like poison compared to infect
It's probably because I've been playing pauper infect
But it feels weird you can't buff these
lusty trench
9 poison? Bad play <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Not when you pull the 5th out of your sleeve
glad peak
Wdym I'm gonna be the one doing it <:peepowiiide:652737244112617482>
I know you don’t like winning but
golden plover
Toxic just feels like a nerf no one wanted
lusty trench
I know you don’t like winning but <:ToadallyConcerned:935911047833989230>
It's true, I do not like winning
fallow citrus
you don't need to pull the 5th when you tap your one land for a giant growth
golden plover
Well the people who complain about alt wincons wanted the infect nerf
glad peak
Bad commander players wanted the infect nerf
lusty trench
As a mono black player I've been having the time of my life with these recent sets
Not in standard I just mean I picked up nice cards for edh
glad peak
Just splash blue and get an actual win condition
lusty trench
Just splash blue and get an actual win condition <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Ouch this hurts my blood artists feelings
lusty trench
And my thassas is in my urza deck
glad peak
Wait hol up imagine playing blood artist in 2022
lusty trench
I also play every effect remotely like blood artist
glad peak
Imagine playing thassa’s in an urza deck
lusty trench
Imagine playing thassa’s in an urza deck <:ToadallyConcerned:935911047833989230>
He reduces cost, he gets equipped with the chip
I senseis
lusty trench
Wait hol up imagine playing blood artist in 2022 <:AWAAAAAA:780566785769472010>
I also run every effect like it, it's a mikaeus unhallowed deck
glad peak
The tragic part of unhallowed is that the good cards for an unhallowed deck are more than just mono black
Actually there’s one mono black persist card with an etb right?
lusty trench
Yeah
golden plover
Bad commander players wanted the infect nerf
Honestly that's literally it
Like infect is strong in pauper, probably the place it's strongest rn
And even there it feels... Fine?
glad peak
Isn’t infect kinda still pretty bad in pauper
glad peak
Costs life though so
No it doesn’t
golden plover
Its playable and you can win a tournament with it, but it's not one of the best decks
lusty trench
Tempted to actually just make reality chip as a commander deck but I don't wanna piss people off
glad peak
Also even if it did, just kill them
golden plover
Tempted to actually just make reality chip as a commander deck but I don't wanna...
Just build Elsha
lusty trench
No it doesn’t <:ToadallyConcerned:935911047833989230>
Oh no it sacks on end phase doesn't it
golden plover
Fully commit
glad peak
It exiles on end phase
golden plover
Elsha also gets a nice etched foil variant
lusty trench
I was actually thinking of just making chun li multi kicker flicker
golden plover
And she's just fun
lusty trench
Cause the name is funni
glad peak
Also just run triskelion and ballista in unhallowed and make the rest of the deck removal and draw power
glad peak
No jank like obliterator, sheoldred, or whatever blood artist thing you have going on
lusty trench
It's reanimator mikaeus
glad peak
Heliod in an urza deck
lusty trench
Holy shit that do just go infinite like that huh
Trying to think of all the other decks I've probably made suboptimally now
It's probably all of them tbh
Oh well, my pods aren't usually good anyway so I think it's for the better
lusty trench
Anyone know any good cards to flicker in azorius besides the obvious draw power ones?
lusty trench
Oh right cause they permanently exile them right
zinc shard
last glen
Oh
The Wanderer profile icon will be going away soon
hopefully it doesn't go away before I grind up the necessary gold
golden plover
This is potentially concerning?
Hopefully it's just like a new permanent type or something
golden plover
Worst case scenario is UB is now part of the main multiverse or something. But something like a new type of land/permanent or whatever wouldn't be that bad
Ideally it's not an extra deck, unless that's executed well. But so far all the "extra decks" we've had that weren't lessons were hit or miss
lusty trench
And lessons didn't hit it off cause most of them were bad
I think the most unique thing that's stuck well in some variety is dual face cards where you pick the mode
golden plover
Yeah definitely. They've felt natural and haven't been either overbearing like companions or unplayable like lessons
twilit canyon
i just bet that sagas are made their own thing
golden plover
Yeah I could see a new permanent type that's expanded sagas/whatever
And I'm hoping that's what MaRo is hinting at. Since new massive mechanics can potentially be harder to undo if they go wrong
copper pecan
just wait until they actually reveal what it is
golden plover
I mean yeah, we'll have to wait and see
But a lot of tcgs have introduced a big new mechanic that really fucked up the game, so there's always that concern when "big changes" are announced
I think yugioh is probably the only one that's consistently been able to add new major mechanics and hasn't suffered for it, ignoring the ones that ended up being issues
lusty trench
Companion 2
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Honestly I think its not UB but I think they may be making it so non planeswalkers can more easily interact with other planes
golden plover
That sounds likely enough, yeah
last glen
or they make a lot more characters planeswalkers
lusty trench
Honestly I think its not UB but I think they may be making it so non planeswalke...
Which is a stupid idea from a lore perspective but eh
Like so many planes have actively hostile forces that would love to invade
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one of the bigger things about MTGs lore is that sure, we go to Dominaria Innisistrad often enough yeah so that everyone knows who Niv Mizzet, but mr scrimblo bimbo on the plane of whothefuckcares doesn't have a meaningful presence in the story because of the very way the world is setup
golden plover
Yeah, Itd be kinda stupid, but most "massive changes" are
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and it leads to the same 10-15 characters always having a presence and nobody esle
golden plover
Also yeah, if it's just easy to travel between planes Planeswalkers aren't special and every plane would be pissed at each other all the time
lusty trench
I mean tbh even the planes walkers they're trying to set up often lack any impact
golden plover
People would wanna steal resources from each other and stuff
last glen
Also yeah, if it's just easy to travel between planes Planeswalkers aren't speci...
To be fair
This sounds like a great setup conflict for a story
granite badge
god imagine
lusty trench
If someone can name for me without checking the selesnian planes walker from theros I will eat my hat
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Say like Esper forces arrive on Amonket
golden plover
It could be some interesting stories but there's a huge disparity in planes
golden plover
If someone can name for me without checking the selesnian planes walker from the...
Calix?
lusty trench
Fuck
golden plover
Might be Calyx?
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If someone can name for me without checking the selesnian planes walker from the...
its something that starts with a C
golden plover
It's one or the other
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that's all I remember
golden plover
I can't tell you anything printed on his card text tho
lusty trench
Basically just trying to say that the new walkers are just not memorable
lusty trench
I can't tell you anything printed on his card text tho
It's enchantment matters
golden plover
I know he cares about enchantments but I have NO CLUE what he does
twilit canyon
it is calix
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I only remember him because I pulled his borderless foil and thought it sucked ass art wise
golden plover
Same with Niko?
twilit canyon
+1 look at top 4 add an enchantment from among them to hand
golden plover
They make a weird token they're the only card to make and I think they scry cards?
twilit canyon
-2 oblivion ring a creature an opponent controls into an enchantment you control
lusty trench
I'm happy they turned the world wide series planes walkers into actual characters
twilit canyon
ult brings all enchantments back into play from grave
lusty trench
Haven't used them in a while though
golden plover
Yup
golden plover
Basically just trying to say that the new walkers are just not memorable
But yeah you're right. 99% of the new walkers just kinda exist
lusty trench
It also doesn't help half of them are just kinda assholes
Like I would not want to be in a room with most of these people
lusty trench
Karn is like the only one I'd actively want to be in a room with but they kneecapped him mentally
golden plover
It also doesn't help that most of them get a card and no explanation for stuff
Like, what's Tyvar's power?
I'm sure you can't guess it
last glen
Isn't he an elf community organizer
golden plover
He's got a unique power too
lusty trench
I'm sure you can't guess it
Racism
golden plover
The cards don't show it at all
last glen
now that's cheating
lusty trench
Does he grow more trees or something
golden plover
Answer: ||He can make his hands turn into a random material based on the plane||
last glen
That does not seem very generally applicable
lusty trench
That's literally a power rangers power they never used because it was so niche
last glen
How would you even make that a card power
golden plover
Yeah I'm not sure what uses it has
But it's one he used twice in the Kaldheim story
golden plover
Hey tbf Ashiok has somehow spooked Norn
But that's all they've done
Otherwise they keep going to random planes and going "haha I'm gonna do nightmare stuff here"
lusty trench
They keep killing all the nice characters man
You need them to balance out the assholes
They got rid of jaya
golden plover
And then immediately made a secret lair out of it
lusty trench
I still can't believe they did that
last glen
The killing or the secret lair
golden plover
I can't believe they put a FUCKING OBITUARY IN THE PAPER about it
Like that was in really poor taste actually to put it in the real obituaries pages
last glen
okay maybe that's a little disrespectful
granite badge
I can't believe they put a FUCKING OBITUARY IN THE PAPER about it
wait what
golden plover
Yeah the lair felt like a weird cash grab but it was whatever. The obituary was kinda shitty
granite badge
bruh
lusty trench
So like who have we got: nissa? She used to be racist now she does nothing, Chandra? She's fine, a bit hot headed but otherwise eh, wanderer? Actually cool same with kaito, vraska? She's got issues but has mellowed out a bit, tyvar? I do not trust this man, sorrin? Lazy and in mourning, nahiri? She almost bruh moments an entire plane
Etc etc
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BRUH WAIT THAT'S AN ACTUAL NEWSPAPER
golden plover
Like at least it's labeled as an ad, but it was really poor taste to put it in the real newspaper alongside actual obituaries
At least it's near other ads, but it's really weird as hell
last glen
what paper was this
golden plover
The Seattle local paper
last glen
So like who have we got: nissa? She used to be racist now she does nothing, Chan...
gotta kill compleat more good guys
lusty trench
I think teferi, saheeli, Chandra, Jace, elspeth and the wanderer are like the most reliable people the multiverse has now, which says a lot given the wanderer physically doesn't get to pick where she is
Even Jace can be flakey
copper pecan
the most important thing about the obituary is that the website it links to was the first place to canonically mention teferi's last name
lusty trench
I would've added karn to this list but I have a feeling he's not making it out of this arc alive
Or with his spark (dude loves giving up his spark)
hidden ermine
Teferi has a last name?
copper pecan
akosa
lusty trench
Teferi disruptive student akosa
sleek ferry
If someone can name for me without checking the selesnian planes walker from the...
Lmao you literally asked for one of the coolest planeswalkers when I was first getting into the game
lusty trench
When your first getting into the game a lot of things stick more though
sleek ferry
Yes and no? There’s very few planeswalkers that I actually consider “cool” mechanically
Ob nix from new capenna is the greatest planeswalker of all time mechanically to me
lusty trench
If you vibed with the walker mechanically then that makes sense
Ob nix from new capenna is really cool
It's rare for me to like planeswalkers cause I feel a lot of them are too similar
sleek ferry
The issue is
For a planeswalkers to be good, it usually had to have: protection AND advantage of some type
Or be game winning without their ultimates
twilit canyon
yea like oko
or minsc and boo
or wandering emperor
oko has near universal removal and an infinitely generating wincon
minsc is inevitable + removal with draw
emperor is near perfect removal and inevitability
broken fjord
Anyone got any suggestions for good Red stax pieces, other than obvious ones like Blood Moon? Trying to make Slicer into something akin to an aggro-stax deck, but I'm not familiar with red stax.
twilit canyon
[[stranglehold]]
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twilit canyon
[[mana flare]]
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twilit canyon
yea this
in theory
dockside extortionist is a fantastic red stax piece bc the threat of having it and casting it and resolving it and getting 1 billion treasures has some gameplay implications if u can do something with the mana
broken fjord
Yeah, I got dockside.
Stranglehold is something I thought of. The Slicer list puts out incredible pressure turn one, so instead of voltron(which is fragile enough), I thought going more stax-focused would be best to limit people developing their board.
Barbs looks good, too.
Hmm, Brand of Ill Omen seems ok. They get Slicer on their upkeep, so they can't develop it. And it's pesky to dispose of, since it can't be sacrificed.
twilit canyon
burnt relic
rrat
twilit canyon
referencing rat kings is pretty on brand for a phyrexian set
golden plover
This is neat, but you'd be better off with a normal lord, no?
Could be a good backup option in [[Ashcoat]] or whatever
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golden plover
[[Ashcoat of the Shadow Swarm]]
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lusty trench
The main thing is a lot of rats decks are just thrumming stone decks
So the massive amounts of rats getting toxic leads to easy kills
Plus at 1 CMC lower than ashcoat, it's a good commander option
golden plover
Yeah but if you're swinging with 10 colonies, you've got game already
Toxic is forcing you to do 3x as much damage to win
Since other players can help with regular damage
It's probably pretty okay in the 99, but I don't think it's a good wincon
Toxic as a whole feels really weak
zinc shard
This is best used for the 3rd effect, drawing up to 5 is nice
golden plover
Yeah the ETB is what matters the most
It'll probably average 1-3 rats in commander
zinc shard
trail anvil
Honestly surprised it's not a 10
tbh after the rebalance they seemed okay
yorion and lurrus were problems but I feel like with better deckbuilding restrictions you could actually make it work with the original vision
golden plover
I mean there's still been companions that got banned post rebalance
kaheera namely, and Jegentha is working it's way towards one
trail anvil
hence why I say with better deckbuilding restrictions
golden plover
The issue is that you've gotta restrict companions HEAVILY, yeah
lusty trench
I am not a fan of how companion works in commander
golden plover
Yeah companions outright shouldn't work in EDH at all
trail anvil
you probably need to do it like those alchemy cards where you require a minimum creature count for those creature requiring ones
golden plover
Yeah but that wouldn't work in paper
golden plover
But that's fine if we never see a paper companion again
trail anvil
well
golden plover
There's really not all that much safe design space for a companion
lusty trench
I watched someone play vial smasher ravos soul seeker with obosh as companion
That obosh did not stay down
trail anvil
it probably should work in paper given you already have stuff like [[kaheera the orphanguard]]
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Legendary Creature — Cat Beast
Companion — Each creature card in your starting deck is a Cat, Elemental, Nightmare, Dinosaur, or Beast card. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for any time you could cast a sorcery.)
Vigilance
Each other creature you control that's a Cat, Elemental, Nightmare, Dinosaur, or Beast gets +1/+1 and has vigilance.
3/2
golden plover
Lutri wouldn't have had to be banned if companions didn't work that way
trail anvil
there's no way to confirm something like this mid-game but you can with a decklist
golden plover
He'd be fine in the 99 of Izzet decks, another snapcaster
Wait Kaheera isn't the one who got banned after
last glen
Where is Kaheera banned?
trail anvil
zirda was banned in legacy right?
last glen
Also how good is Jeg after the companion change?
trail anvil
jegantha is still a free creature in certain decks
last glen
[Jegentha]
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[Jegentha]
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trail anvil
it was run a ton in jund
golden plover
Jeg still sees a decent chunk of play in modern and pioneer
He's being used for fires notably
last glen
[[Jegentha]]
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trail anvil
[[jegantha the wellspring]]
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Elk
Companion — No card in your starting deck has more than one of the same mana symbol in its mana cost. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for any time you could cast a sorcery.)
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. This mana can't be spent to pay generic mana costs.
5/5
golden plover
Oh wait, Jegentha is being used in Jund stuff, yeah
Keruga is the fires one
He's also getting himself in ban range in some formats
trail anvil
yeah it didn't help that stuff like brazen borrower and bonecrusher giant let you cast spells on 2 in that deck
golden plover
I think Gyruda, Umori, and Lutri are the only fair constructed companions
And even then, Lutri is banned in EDH
last glen
Eight mana over two turns for two or three mana per turn
trail anvil
even gyruda had a cheesy deck in its standard
last glen
Lutri is the highlander companion ye?
golden plover
Yup, and some pioneer memes
golden plover
Lutri is the highlander companion ye?
Yup
last glen
Literally free in Commander
Which seems like not it's fault
trail anvil
kaheera would've been fair if it required at least some creatures but you could just slap it in azorius control for no downside whatsoever lmao
golden plover
I mean if they just didn't let companions break the commander rules Lutri would be fine
trail anvil
I think obosh is fair unless I'm missing something?
golden plover
But the issue is Lutri is a 101st free card for everything in izzet
Obosh has seen play on and off, but he's fair enough
trail anvil
even pre-rule change his deck cost was notable and his aggro deck wasn't amazing
last glen
Can't even play Kaheera in pure Dinosaur Tribal because it dies to Marauding Raptor lamo
lusty trench
Obosh in my example was more so just annoying than an issue, it's just a bit of consistency that the deck shouldn't of had
last glen
wait what is the application if you have no creatures
golden plover
That's the other issue with companions, yeah
golden plover
wait what is the application if you have no creatures
He's a free creature when you need it
You're already playing hard control
So usually stuff like him and [[Shark Typhoon]] slowly kill them
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Enchantment
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying, where X is that spell's mana value.
Cycling 
(, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Shark Typhoon, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying.
last glen
[[Shark Typhoon]]
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Enchantment
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying, where X is that spell's mana value.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Shark Typhoon, create an X/X blue Shark creature token with flying.
golden plover
It's not, but it usually doesn't matter
It's just another creature in the command zone you can beat them to death with
Well, sideboard
trail anvil
can we talk about how ridiculous shark typhoon was btw
golden plover
Yeah, Shark Typhoon is an insane card
trail anvil
it served as a lategame wincon if you could land it but also just was fantastic as an instant speed flying creature that scaled
golden plover
Pretty much
trail anvil
I loved mutate as a set mechanic when it came to ikoria at least
golden plover
Having the ability to always play it on curve is wack
trail anvil
those are still my favorite creatures probably
lusty trench
Mutate was super cool
fallow citrus
I think companions are fine if they're just stuff like keruga and kaheera
lusty trench
The tri coloured mutate cards are very need
golden plover
The issue is that even when a companion is fine, it's extra consistency for minimal downsides
fallow citrus
lurrus just happened to have a bonkers effect while being easily accessible
golden plover
If you could run one, or make slight changes to run one, there's no reason not to
fallow citrus
only reason yorion got hit was because it increased times for shuffling
golden plover
And you don't want it to be "well you're playing this archetype, there's no reason not to include a companion" forever
They also have the issue that as more cards come out, they only ever get better
trail anvil
The tri coloured mutate cards are very need
yeah those were my favorite
just stacking stuff in general was super fun
lusty trench
Nethroi I think is probably my favourite out of the tri colour ones
trail anvil
yeah I wanna make it work in historic brawl but it's kinda weak xd
fallow citrus
I mean kind of? Keruga and kaheera aren't like.. so good they're an issue
golden plover
The more cards in a format, the more ways you can break them and mitigate their downsides
I mean they're not, but having a big dork you can rely on consistently or drawing a ton of cards is still a huge boost for little drawback
fallow citrus
keruga isn't even really played in anything
golden plover
He's seeing play in 4c Fires in formats where that's a deck
So mostly pioneer and some modern play
Obviously Lurrus, Yorion, and Zirda were the worst offenders as a whole, but they're all extra consistency for little drawback
fallow citrus
kaheera is better than keruga in decks that play keruga
lusty trench
Anyone know a good partner for sakashima?
fallow citrus
and I guess they're an issue in pioneer? but seeing play in an ok tier 2 deck probably isn't the worst thing ever
fallow citrus
Anyone know a good partner for sakashima?
krark
golden plover
You can't play Kaheera in fires. You're on creatures that aren't elementals
And also drawing like 6 cards with it and [[Cavalier of Flames]] is relevant
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: Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
When Cavalier of Flame enters the battlefield, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards.
When Cavalier of Flame dies, it deals X damage to each opponent and each planeswalker they control, where X is the number of land cards in your graveyard.
6/5
lusty trench
Why krark just to ask?
fallow citrus
because sakashima becomes another krark
golden plover
I guess the nerf made companions less of an issue as a whole in modern, but it's still not really a design space worth revisiting and they've never had to nerf an entire mechanic before or after companion
lusty trench
Oh I meant more so to take advantage of the legend rule not applying on a wider scale
golden plover
[[Kodama of the East Tree]] is pretty popular too
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golden plover
Doubling up on him in simic colors is pretty neat, but costly
lusty trench
I want magic to make kodama of the north north west tree just to trip people up
Maybe in an unset
hidden ermine
Kodama of the south by south west tree
trail anvil
fuck that feels so good
mana screwed a control historic brawl player with gemrazer by mutating it twice
trail anvil
All the green mutate cards do
mutate my beloved
twilit canyon
And you don't want it to be "well you're playing this archetype, there's no reas...
theres already must-includes and companions still have design space to explore imo