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clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:18 AM

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Rakdos is gross value

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:18 AM

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it's disgusting

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:19 AM

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Proving again that shoving in four copies of Fable and Fabio is more than enough to win games

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:19 AM

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grief sticking around t1 and you've ripped 2 cards is already nutso

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and then yeah fable just fuels you so much

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:20 AM

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Fable + Grief is just a weaker version of the Historic/Alchemy Fable + Citystalker combo

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You can lock a person out of a game either way

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But Citystalker also gives you blood tokens to cycle

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:20 AM

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Man that's the whole explorer archive? That sucks

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There's like 5 cards actually in the format in it

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And 2 of them are commons

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:20 AM

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It is value but it is missing some cards

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:21 AM

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It'd take like a single archive to catch up at this point

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I know they're waiting on Innistrad remastered for stuff like thing in the ice

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But adding Nykthos and Treasure Cruise makes the format almost exactly Pioneer

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:21 AM

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Mutavault, Rending Volley, Fiery Impulse, Ethereal Armor, Eidolon, Wayfinder are good adds

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:21 AM

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grief is still my favourite incarnation from when I dipped my toes into modern by playing orzhov stoneblade

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:21 AM

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So is Courser tbf

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:22 AM

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Yeah all of those are good... But there's just so much filler

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:22 AM

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Also I love the Eldrazi cards myself

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:22 AM

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No one was dying for the sliver or elf stuff

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:22 AM

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Those cards definitely got added for Historic

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Shaman of the Pack makes Historic Elves almost as strong if not stronger than Modern Elves

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:22 AM

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But Historic has its own archive

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I get "anything that's pioneer legal goes in this one" but it just feels like a waste of slots

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Especially [[Clever Impersonator]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 6, 2022, 1:23 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/c19/82/clever-impersonator

Clever Impersonator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Shapeshifter
You may have Clever Impersonator enter the battlefield as a copy of any nonland permanent on the battlefield.
"Our own selves are the greatest obstacles to enlightenment." —Narset, khan of the Jeskai
0/0

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:23 AM

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I think they figured adding those that are Pioneer legal but would most likely see Historic play would be fine

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:23 AM

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Like he's a 1 off in fires at best

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True. And I really wouldn't mind it I guess if they added the cards that actually see play

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It's literally less than 10 cards to have the format be almost fully pioneer

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:24 AM

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I think it is mostly a case of them not being sure if they will actually keep those cards legal for the most part

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:24 AM

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But they're just drip feeding them so slowly

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:24 AM

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Nykthos in particular

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:24 AM

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I could see them waiting on Nykthos for that reason

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But also, they're in charge of the banlist too

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They could just ban Nykthos (or the real problem card, Karn) and then decide

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:25 AM

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This is WotC

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:25 AM

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I get delaying the innistrad ones for remastered too, even if it's to just make more money by splitting them over releases unfortunately

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:25 AM

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Infamously bad at format management

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:25 AM

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True

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I'm 75% sure they'll eventually ban Nykthos at this point tho

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The other 25% is me hoping they make the correct hit

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But they'll go for Nykthos first I feel like

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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Karn would be a lame hit

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Nykthos makes more sense to ban

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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Karn only ever becomes more problematic and finds new shells

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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It makes Gaea's Cradles level of mana for not enough payoff

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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Either hit kills the deck

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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Gaea's Cradle is always the problem card

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That said

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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Leaving Nykthos alone lets it exist for janky shit

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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The deck has proven it isn't actually all that

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And it should be fine to leave it alone

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:27 AM

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Losing Karn kills the deck and prevents future problems

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Because something else will find a way to abuse Karn down the line

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:27 AM

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karn's only going to be a major issue if you have some way to make dumpy amounts of mana in one turn

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:27 AM

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Not necessarily

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Having a silver bullet wishboard and shutting down every other artifact is generally kinda nuts

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Obviously without Nykthos he'll be "fair" in Pioneer

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But it's only so long until something unfair breaks him again

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:28 AM

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I mean like yeah being able to grab anything from board is good but like

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what else is playing him

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:29 AM

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Nothing in Pioneer, but he's seeing play in other formats for the same reason

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:29 AM

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The Mono-Red Fires deck plays Karn usually

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:29 AM

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He got restricted in Vintage for it, and there's even been talk of him being an issue in Modern

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Oh right, forgot about that

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:29 AM

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He is not an issue in Modern

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or Legacy

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Karn is fine

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:30 AM

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seeing play in other formats doesn't really matter

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:30 AM

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I've heard conflicting opinions on him in those formats, but they also have a lot more answers to Karn and higher power cards in general

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In Pioneer without Nykthos he's still part of a t2 deck until something new bumps him back up to t1

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 1:31 AM

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I mean that sounds fine

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 1:31 AM

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karn is dogass in all formats

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except pioneer

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and even then

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:31 AM

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For now yeah, but I think he's the obvious long term hit in pioneer

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 1:31 AM

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recent event results

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:31 AM

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Either hit kills the deck

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 1:32 AM

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has shown the karn deck isnt very good actually

clever sun Dec 6, 2022, 1:32 AM

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Yeah I think it's fine if he remains legal

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 1:32 AM

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And Nykthos doesn't end up going into a new one that's equally as powerful

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 1:33 AM

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yea nykthos is fine

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so is karn

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u dont have to hit this deck

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it is actually kinda shit

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 3:33 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/11/kaylas-kindling?utm_source=mtgspoilerbot

Scryfall Magic: The Gathering Search

Kayla's Kindling

{3}{R}{R} • Enchantment • When Kayla's Kindling enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to any target. At the beginning of your upkeep, draft a card from Kayla's Kindling's spellbook and exile it. Until end of turn, you may cast that card. • Alchemy: The Brothers' War (YBRO) #11 • Illustrated by Ernada Souza • Magic: The Gathering, MTG

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this can grab some really good cards

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but its so steep at 5 mana

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:23 AM

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nykthos just got confirmed to be in

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https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/zdt6j0/ea2_rmagic_arena_preview_card_nykthos_shrine_to/

r/MagicArena - [EA2] /r/Magic Arena Preview Card: Nykthos, Shrine t...

0 votes and 36 comments so far on Reddit

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:25 AM

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is there a meaningful advantage to playing standard basics over snow basics
if money is no object

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:25 AM

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no

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:25 AM

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sorry asked the opposite of what I wanted lol

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I know there's targeted snow hate

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:26 AM

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unless your opponent is specifically playing [[break the ice]] or that one kaldheim god

lost widgetBOT Dec 6, 2022, 4:26 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/77/break-the-ice

Break the Ice <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy target land that is snow or could produce manac .
Overload mana4 manab manab (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each.")

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:26 AM

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there isn't a meaningful advantage to not going snow

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:27 AM

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if you have no snow interaction
is it better to go no-snow for the slim chance to dodge snow hate
or does going snow have fringe benefits

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:28 AM

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it has fringe benefits

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if you're running anything that changes control of creatures or copies spells

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but most of the time it doesn't matter

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:28 AM

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why control change or spell copying?

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:31 AM

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if your opponents are running something that cares about snow, you want to have snow so you can use that

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like [[ohran frostfang]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 6, 2022, 4:31 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/c19/33/ohran-frostfang

Ohran Frostfang <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Snow Creature — Snake
Attacking creatures you control have deathtouch.
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
Silent as a snowdrift. Inexorable as an avalanche.
2/6

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 4:31 AM

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copper pecan https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/zdt6j0/ea2_rmagic_arena_preview_car...

pogofgreed

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:31 AM

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wait that's not it

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the one that draws a card if you have a snow land

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 4:32 AM

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jorn?

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no

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wait

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idk which one u mean onw

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*now

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:32 AM

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[[ice fang coatl]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 6, 2022, 4:32 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/203/ice-fang-coatl

Ice-Fang Coatl <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Snow Creature — Snake
Flash
Flying
When Ice-Fang Coatl enters the battlefield, draw a card.
Ice-Fang Coatl has deathtouch as long as you control at least three other snow permanents.
1/1

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 4:32 AM

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was what i was thinking of

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idk why i thought the draw was tied to snow

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:32 AM

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ahh

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was just curious because most lists don't run basic snows

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so I was just wondering if it's just a simplicity thing

trail anvil Dec 6, 2022, 4:42 AM

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you can run snow lands to bluff if you're not running snow cards, but it's really up to you whether you want to bother

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 3:01 PM

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Urza's Construction Drone 3
Artifact Creature - Construct
When this enters the battlefield, conjure 1 of each of the tron lands into your library and shuffle.
When this attacks or dies, seek an Urza's land.
3/3

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WOW

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 3:09 PM

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Is this Arena-only?

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 3:10 PM

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yes

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idk how you would do this in paper

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 3:31 PM

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anyways idk how to evaluate this card

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oracle of the alpha has shown that this kind of effect can be good if the stuff it conjures is strong enough

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but the payoff for this is way weaker than the payoff for oracle

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 3:36 PM

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oh

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it puts the cards into your deck

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I thought it was hand for a moment

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hmmm

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oh
the artist who did the Just Add Milk Secret Lair art put the art on his shop
https://www.inprnt.com/gallery/mike_burns/

INPRNT

Art Prints by Mike Burns

Shop gallery quality art prints by Mike Burns.

trail anvil Dec 6, 2022, 4:05 PM

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copper pecan idk how you would do this in paper

have it grab from sideboard instead of conjuring

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seeking you'd just have to do with dice and naming the options, but that would be too difficult to realistically implement in paper

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:15 PM

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seek is search randomly?

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you could do it like an excavate

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 4:16 PM

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Yeah, you'd just do it like any of the cards that look at X cards until they hit a criteria

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There's precedent in stuff like [[Abundant Harvest]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 6, 2022, 4:18 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/147/abundant-harvest

Abundant Harvest <:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Choose land or nonland. Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a card of the chosen kind. Put that card into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
"Gaea knows what you need. Do you?"

trail anvil Dec 6, 2022, 4:35 PM

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unfortunately then you might be able to stack those

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 4:51 PM

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DMR reprint

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 4:51 PM

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@lusty trench

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You said you needed one of these, yeah?

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 4:52 PM

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mythic in a limited print run set

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Wow I hate it thanks wotc

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 4:52 PM

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Yeah that sounds about right

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Can't drop the price on our $50 cards too much

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"But we don't look at the secondary market tho"

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 5:07 PM

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wouldn't be at all surprised if this has to be banned in historic brawl

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 5:07 PM

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brain check
is DMR standard-legal

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 5:07 PM

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no

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 5:25 PM

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I wish lmao

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 7:32 PM

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copper pecan

this is an absurdly good tutor

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what

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also i cant quite tell

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i recognize kaya, emperor, vraska

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nissa?

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 7:56 PM

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Looks like Gideon for some reason

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It shouldn't be Gideon, but that's who it looks like

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:05 PM

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The one on the left eludes me most

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:05 PM

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Yeah that's who I said was Gideon because I can't fucking tell who that's supposed to be

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:05 PM

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Braided red hair isn't something I recognise on a planes walker

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:06 PM

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I'd assume it's supposed to be a female walker, since this art has "Avengers girl power" scene energy

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But I dunno who it's supposed to be

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 8:08 PM

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👀

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these new arts man

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lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:09 PM

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Welp this set is being bought out

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:10 PM

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Yeah this set is gonna be impossible to get

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$400 box time

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:11 PM

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golden plover But I dunno who it's supposed to be

could it be uhh
that Boros planeswalker

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the one about the equips

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:12 PM

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It's definitely not Nahiri

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I'm trying to think of female walkers it could be

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Doesn't look anything like Vivien but she's the most fitting I guess?

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:13 PM

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what's that on the wrist?

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:13 PM

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If we include male walkers and walkers who aren't involved in the story, it could be Tyvar?

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:13 PM

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looks kinda like a hook

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:13 PM

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But Tyvar has done literally nothing

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:13 PM

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I think it might be a guy, broad shoulders and nothing on the back covering the front

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:14 PM

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last glen what's that on the wrist?

See that's the issue. That's historically a Gideon weapon

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Gideon usually has a blade on his wrist

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It REALLY looks like Gideon tho

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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maybe this is just before he died

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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Yeah I don't think it's Tyvar?

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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last glen maybe this is just before he died

He would have never met the Wanderer before death

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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it sorta looks?

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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inb4 they travel back in time to grab gideon

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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They were only on the same plane for like an hour

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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uhhh noncanon artwork?

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM

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I don't know which would be funnier:

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This card art spoils Gideon coming back from the dead (we all know it's coming)
This card art has Gideon in it for literally no reason

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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It's 100% tyvar

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The wrist weapon lines up

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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It's pretty off model to be Tyvar

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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wait why do we know Gideon is coming back

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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The braided hair

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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is it comic book immunity

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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And Tyvar has gauntlets, but not blades

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:16 PM

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The lack of upper body coverings

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:17 PM

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last glen wait why do we know Gideon is coming back

Pretty much. He's one of the original cast and they'll bring him back when they feel like it

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He's the boring white guy protag, there's no way he stays dead long

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:17 PM

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is that why they're assembling the team

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 8:17 PM

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i mean it could also just be a new planeswalker introduced in ONE

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:18 PM

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lusty trench It's 100% tyvar

But why is Tyvar involved? Last we saw he fucked off and did nothing in Kaldheim

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:18 PM

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0 clue

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:18 PM

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He beat up his brother, Planeswalked for a bit, came back, and went "imma stay here guys"

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:18 PM

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Tbh most of these planes walkers don't have a reason to team up

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:18 PM

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also those colors are all over the place

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:19 PM

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Kaya and the Emperor are at least working together in the story now

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Vraska, Nissa, and ??? Aren't involved at all tho?

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:19 PM

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It's actually a Jace reboot

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:20 PM

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It really just looks like a random set of female walkers, and maybe Tyvar, to do a "girl power walkers" art

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Big Avengers endgame scene vibes

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:20 PM

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Without Liliana though it's an odd choice

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:20 PM

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Or the three female walkers that are actually the main part of this current storyline

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Saheeli, Chandra, and Elspeth

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 8:21 PM

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maybe Chandra did her hair differently today

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it does look kind of red
even if it's also set against a reddish sun

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:23 PM

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Maybe it's really off model Chandra, yeah

lusty trench Dec 6, 2022, 8:24 PM

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It's tyvar

copper pecan Dec 6, 2022, 8:25 PM

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yeah it's tyvar

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 8:30 PM

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Tyvar makes 0 sense from a lore standpoint tho

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It's probably him I guess, but he just seems so out of place

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Although tbf Nissa and Vraska don't make sense there either

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Vraska is stuck doing guild leader stuff on Ravnica and Nissa is on Zendikar doing... Whatever

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Oh Tyvar was apparently mentioned to be joining the anti-phyrexian group in like a sentence in a side story for Brothers War

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 9:16 PM

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nice so it is tyvar

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vraska joining the gang too?

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then is it really nissa there?

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cant think of any other green walker

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that has that frame

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 9:23 PM

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I'd assume it's Vraska and Nissa. They weren't mentioned in the story, but they'd be likely

fallow citrus Dec 6, 2022, 10:02 PM

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pog

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:08 PM

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This set is looking crazy good

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Here's hoping it's not another TSR situation then

zinc shard Dec 6, 2022, 10:36 PM

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You need $200 to get the bonus cards... 5 lairs puts you at 199.95

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:52 PM

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That's intentional

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Scummy, but intentional

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You're supposed to go "well I'm a dollar short and one more lair won't hurt"

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 10:54 PM

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clearly the solution is to get seven non-foils

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:54 PM

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Doesn't that still put you at $199?

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The foils are $10 cheaper

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Oh nah, that'd work

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 10:55 PM

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yeah it puts you at just under $210

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six would be $180

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 10:55 PM

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7 non-foils probably looks better on their sales figures

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:55 PM

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Either way, they definitely did this on purpose

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 10:55 PM

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oh yeah

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:56 PM

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It should realistically count shipping, but that doesn't make people spend $40 more for FOMO

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 10:56 PM

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premium currency systems have been doing this for years

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 10:56 PM

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this is weird tho cus overall this

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:56 PM

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Yup, I actually think the arena currency does the same thing for drafts

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 10:56 PM

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is good for ppl who buy a single lair per drop

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which goes against their business motto in recent years

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 10:57 PM

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Well it's good if you buy multiple of a single lair

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If you just want 2 lairs out of the drop or whatever, it doesn't help you at all

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But I think it's probably them experimenting with what FOMO systems work best for lair drops

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They're definitely learning how to maximize money off them. Consider that you could cancel the previous lair drop by the time they revealed crossroads was in 2XM2

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But you couldn't cancel the remora one by the time you found out that remora was in DMR

twilit canyon Dec 6, 2022, 10:59 PM

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remora is just an alt art

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it was always gonna be fine

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 11:00 PM

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I mean, both were cases of only alt arts

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The thing was that it was notably the first big reprint of either in X years

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But the crossroads lair's sale/cancel window ran until the 2XM reveal

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Also tbh, the SLD remora art is awesome

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And Remora needs all the reprints it can get

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 11:27 PM

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Oh thank god, DMR is confirmed to be a larger print run than TSR

last glen Dec 6, 2022, 11:55 PM

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larger

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for real, though
hopefully this one is printed closer to demand

golden plover Dec 6, 2022, 11:59 PM

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It's not, it's already been stated to be intentionally limited

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But if it's reasonable, we won't see $400 boxes

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 1:52 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/magicthecirclejerking/comments/zenfsp/bottom_5_scoring_submissions_of_the_week_from/

r/magicthecirclejerking - Bottom 5 Scoring Submissions of the week ...

0 votes and 5 comments so far on Reddit

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bottom 5 starting out strong this week

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phyrexian mana, "restart the turn"
0 mana counterspell
card that is needlessly confusing for what it does
literally 13 lines of text
phyrexian mana and 13 lines of text
card that does nothing unless you are specifically playing cards with C in the cost, and even then only does things at random
mono blue hard removal
repeatable removal every turn that also counters spells every turn

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these are all basically unsalvageable

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 1:59 AM

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also the commander has partner and it also transforms and has a custom keyword

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 1:59 AM

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Not true

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Witness

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:01 AM

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Honestly the 0 mana counterspell looks super weak

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Unless escape overrides the additional costs part

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 2:01 AM

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it's 0 mana

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:01 AM

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Mono-Blue Hard Removal 1U

Instant

Phase out target non-land permanent.

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 2:01 AM

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that's not hard removal

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it just phases back in later

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:01 AM

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This is keeping it balanced

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The other way is doing it how [[Refabricate]] does

lost widgetBOT Dec 7, 2022, 2:02 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/45/defabricate

Defabricate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose one —
• Counter target artifact or enchantment spell. If a spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
• Counter target activated or triggered ability.

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Errrr

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[[Resculpt]]

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:02 AM

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copper pecan it's 0 mana

Yeah but with that additional cost its basically shite force of will

lost widgetBOT Dec 7, 2022, 2:02 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/51/resculpt

Resculpt <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Exile target artifact or creature. Its controller creates a 4/4 blue and red Elemental creature token.
Critics were struck first by the elemental's surprising grace, and then by its fists.

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 2:03 AM

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force of will doesn't have escape

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and also even shit force of will is still pretty strong

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:03 AM

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Force of will doesnt require you to banish 2

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From hand

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 2:04 AM

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you still have to pay the additional cost as well if you escape it right

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:04 AM

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Yes

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:04 AM

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I think so?

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:04 AM

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Wait

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No

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Escape is an alternate cost

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So you pay the Escape cost instead

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 2:04 AM

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in that case I think that card's only really good because you get 2 counters for 1 then

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:05 AM

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You pay the escape cost instead of mana

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But additional costs should still have to be paid no?

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:05 AM

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Yes this is an additional cost

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:06 AM

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So you still have to pay it when escaping?

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:06 AM

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Yep

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 2:06 AM

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ok it's a lot worse then

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:06 AM

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Cus you are still casting

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Now I understand why people aren't liking this

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It is wayyyyy too steep

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Just to force a card to exist

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:06 AM

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Yeah it just reads ... bad

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Especially since you need an island in the bin to escape

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:07 AM

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Let me fix this

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Impending Force 2U
Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays 3.
Escape - Exile a blue card and a basic island from your hand or Graveyard

hidden ermine Dec 7, 2022, 2:10 AM

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Idk if a counterspell with escape should really exist

glad peak Dec 7, 2022, 2:11 AM

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why not? there's enough cost

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:11 AM

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It would require specific cards to escape

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I made it not be a hard counter

glad peak Dec 7, 2022, 2:12 AM

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there's [[fervent denial]] which is just bad but you can make a middle ground between that and literally double force

lost widgetBOT Dec 7, 2022, 2:12 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/c19/86/fervent-denial

Fervent Denial <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell.
Flashback mana5 manau manau (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
"I prefer a reality in which you are not."

clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:13 AM

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Right

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This card was printed a millenia ago

glad peak Dec 7, 2022, 2:16 AM

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Reprinted fairly recently so not out of design space just yet

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 2:29 AM

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they don't do on board counterspells anymore

glad peak Dec 7, 2022, 2:31 AM

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Isn’t there a counterspell creature in standard right now?

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 2:32 AM

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yeah but it isn't a hard counter

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it's just a taxing counter

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unrelated but

glad peak Dec 7, 2022, 2:33 AM

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Eh even if it is a taxing counter, functionally it’s the same as a hard counter on the turns where it matters

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That’s how I view counters at least

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 2:36 AM

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it's a lot easier to play around a taxing counter than a hard counter

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clever sun Dec 7, 2022, 2:44 AM

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Gruul draw two

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Interesting

golden plover Dec 7, 2022, 5:22 PM

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Oh cool

copper pecan Dec 7, 2022, 5:32 PM

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i guess future sight did take place on dominaria even if street wraith specifically didn't

golden plover Dec 7, 2022, 5:33 PM

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Means we'll probably see goyf too then

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 5:40 PM

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gamble pog

languid quest Dec 7, 2022, 5:53 PM

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lol WotC isn't beating behind bush anymore

zinc shard Dec 7, 2022, 5:54 PM

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We're probably getting Enlightened and Mystic Tutor at this rate

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 5:55 PM

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nyaruhodo

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we already had these revealed

zinc shard Dec 7, 2022, 6:01 PM

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So I was right nyaruhodo

granite badge Dec 7, 2022, 6:43 PM

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wait do we not have a red version in this cycle

fallow citrus Dec 7, 2022, 7:18 PM

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fallow citrus gamble pog

^

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there is no "X Tutor" instant in red, gamble is the best we have

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ohh I dig this art

zinc shard Dec 7, 2022, 10:15 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3oW3-eItkE

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golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 12:39 AM

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Absolutely floored this wasn't downshifted

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Like this is... Actively one of the worst rares

fallow citrus Dec 8, 2022, 12:50 AM

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i love that it has echo

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 12:51 AM

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Can't have an unrestricted card draw engine. Better pay... 12 for it

fallow citrus Dec 8, 2022, 12:51 AM

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hey to be fair

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it's not 12 it's 6 every turn

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 12:52 AM

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Well 6 for 2 turns

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But even for 6 once, there's better cards

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Honestly this should have been an uncommon, but I think it's probably the 2XM2 thing again: all the good cards day 1

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Like why was this upshifted?

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It's a good reprint for an uncommon, but a shitty rare

copper pecan Dec 8, 2022, 1:02 AM

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?

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this is a strong card

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 1:07 AM

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It's historically been uncommon

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It's a really strange upshift

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Also both versions are under $5

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A $5 uncommon in a $200 box would feel good, but a $5 rare in a $8 pack sucks

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I mean there's worse rares, but it really should have been an uncommon

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They downshifted [[Radha, Heir to Keld]] after all for this

lost widgetBOT Dec 8, 2022, 1:11 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/259/radha-heir-to-keld

Radha, Heir to Keld <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
Whenever Radha, Heir to Keld attacks, you may add manar manar .
manat : Add manag .
"Run home, cur. I've already taken your master's head. Don't make me thrash you with it."
2/2

glad peak Dec 8, 2022, 1:58 AM

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I mean, helm is much much better than Radha

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 3:14 AM

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Definitely

broken fjord Dec 8, 2022, 6:26 AM

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Mulling over putting [[Scroll of Fate]] in Preston. It's a do nothing on its own, but it does help me fulfill Preston's gameplan. And flickering the manifests lets me save mana.

lost widgetBOT Dec 8, 2022, 6:26 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/c19/58/scroll-of-fate

Scroll of Fate <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
manat : Manifest a card from your hand. (Put that card onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
"Our stories define our reality." —Ugin

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 3:56 PM

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So can this cast Booster Tutor in a regular game?

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(HoTR cards are commander legal)

copper pecan Dec 8, 2022, 3:57 PM

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sure but like

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these cards are only legal if you are one of the people who was given them by wotc

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for anyone else they aren't

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 3:59 PM

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True, but I'm sure if you bought/proxied one, it wouldn't be a huge deal

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Hell I kinda wanna proxy a [[Legend of Arena]] at some point

lost widgetBOT Dec 8, 2022, 3:59 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/ph18/4/the-legend-of-arena

The Legend of Arena <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment — Saga
The Legend of Arena can be your commander.
I, II — Create a 2/1 red Human Wizard creature token. Spells you cast this turn cost mana1 less to cast for each Wizard you control.
III — Search your library for a planeswalker card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. It enters with an additional loyalty counter on it for each Wizard you control.

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 3:59 PM

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Jeskai Superfriends with a saga commander semes fun

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I like that it's the only one they redid the art on too

lusty trench Dec 8, 2022, 4:07 PM

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copper pecan for anyone else they aren't

They're straight up not legal anywhere

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 4:15 PM

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The Rules Committee rule is "if your name is on one, you can play it"

lusty trench Dec 8, 2022, 4:17 PM

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Oh, odd

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 4:24 PM

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Simply print off a proxy of one and write your name on it in sharpie

last glen Dec 8, 2022, 4:30 PM

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so when is the fireside chat

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oh it's right now

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damn this is a corporate meeting

zinc shard Dec 8, 2022, 6:22 PM

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wow

glad peak Dec 8, 2022, 6:26 PM

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Seems

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Very very bad

golden plover Dec 8, 2022, 7:08 PM

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Huh so it turns out they did pull 30A early

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Their reason being "We listened to customer feedback"

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Which makes no sense but okay

fallow citrus Dec 8, 2022, 8:19 PM

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last glen Dec 8, 2022, 8:32 PM

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hmm

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Arena coming to Steam

fallow citrus Dec 8, 2022, 8:35 PM

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o neat

granite badge Dec 8, 2022, 9:16 PM

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last glen Arena coming to Steam

hopefully with linux compatability...?

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would be based to play Arena on the Steam Deck

last glen Dec 8, 2022, 9:20 PM

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I might take the plunge soon

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Try out Arena

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Won't spend any money yet

subtle sierra Dec 8, 2022, 9:23 PM

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granite badge would be based to play Arena on the Steam Deck

you can already do that with wine

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the only issue is patching

twilit canyon Dec 8, 2022, 9:43 PM

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arena coming to steam is gonna be great

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they announced it a while back but did they give a proper date yet?

copper pecan Dec 8, 2022, 10:38 PM

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just "some time next year"

granite badge Dec 9, 2022, 12:53 AM

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subtle sierra you can already do that with wine

well I tried that on my chromebook already, didn't work

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and for some reason my chromebook doesn't support Arena on the play store

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 1:00 AM

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thats weird

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but then again arena's play store and ios app are really weird apparently

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it runs smooth as butter on some phones or chromebook/macbook models

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and then it just cant be downloaded on others

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seemingly arbitrary

granite badge Dec 9, 2022, 1:34 AM

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yeah

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my chromebook is actually above average specs for chromebook standards

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I think what it is is the display size

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its like

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2243x1170 pixels or some random bullshit

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its the single most annoying thing about this computer cause since its not a standarized display its easy for games to not work properly in fullscreen or even windowed

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and I have to tinker with both ingame settings and my displays internal size as well

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 3:45 AM

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Had a funny game tonight where all three LGBT players in the pod (3/4) dropped Mana Confluence as their land for turn. All 3 using the SLD art

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2 of us were even on Yoshimaru (my Rogarkh and the guy beside me's Thrasios)

granite badge Dec 9, 2022, 4:08 AM

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funny coincidence lmao

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 4:10 AM

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It was

granite badge Dec 9, 2022, 4:12 AM

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I actually don't know what my lgs looks like lgbtq wide

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 4:14 AM

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I only know those 2 people are

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And a guy I haven't seen in a while

zinc shard Dec 9, 2022, 4:13 PM

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https://youtu.be/ZLOrzf5TU5Q

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languid quest Dec 9, 2022, 4:51 PM

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I was little worried when first two Jump Start 2022 boosters were same theme but other two were different plus last one was Holy so it had angels

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other than that I picked up new Gruul dragon commander precon

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 6:16 PM

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Welp finally expanded my 4 player bw only cube to be a 6 player bw only cube

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Preston is somehow absurd even with barely any blink support in an environment with a lot of taxing and land destruction effects

trail anvil Dec 9, 2022, 6:54 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/zh1ju7/please_for_the_love_of_all_that_is_holy_ban/ @twilit canyon I don't think you play historic brawl much, but this post feels like max casual complaining

r/MagicArena - Please for the love of all that is holy... ban parad...

85 votes and 98 comments so far on Reddit

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paradox engine is banned in commander for a reason, but brawl has a very diverse archetype playing field, on top of a lower power level

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I feel like the wotc employee that made a response actually had some really good points, although I doubt most people on the sub would actually acknowledge them (see the one dude hyper focusing on the employee telling them they can concede at any time)

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there's also people falsely comparing it to ugin 8 when that card could be run in basically any brawl deck and swing gamestates hard, making it insanely unfun to run into

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 6:59 PM

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it shouldnt be banned in commander

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a lot of ppl theorize that only reason it was banned was for the commander rc to manipulate the mtg market a bit and sell their copies at a premium before it was banned

copper pecan Dec 9, 2022, 7:02 PM

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i dunno, i feel like it being banned in commander makes sense

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like the wotc employee said in that thread, it's way easier to exploit paradox engine in commander since people are always running mana rocks in every deck anyways

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 7:03 PM

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yea but also in commander its just as if not easier to kill

copper pecan Dec 9, 2022, 7:11 PM

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fair enough

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i can see an argument for it either way

trail anvil Dec 9, 2022, 7:16 PM

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either way it's definitely not ban worthy in brawl

broken fjord Dec 9, 2022, 7:16 PM

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Fuck Paradox Engine. Good riddance to it.

trail anvil Dec 9, 2022, 7:16 PM

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people focus on how they lose to an infinite combo but don't think about all the times the artifact deck loads a bunch of useless shit on board and stalls out

broken fjord Dec 9, 2022, 7:16 PM

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I ain't there to watch you take an eternity per turn cycle

trail anvil Dec 9, 2022, 7:17 PM

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the only time I find it really threatening is when they open the nuts or they're playing oswald fiddlebender, and the latter is just one of those "answer or die" commanders anyways

broken fjord Dec 9, 2022, 7:17 PM

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People are notoriously bad at playing efficiently

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I don't ascribe to the theory it was for market manipulation

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The RC is pretty open about their reasoning when asked.

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Paradox Engine goes infinite pretty easily and the triggers end up taking forever to keep resolving. Think the ban logic was that it was just plain strong and unfun.

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 7:25 PM

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ig in casual play it could be unfun

broken fjord Dec 9, 2022, 7:26 PM

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If every pod was cedh level, then it probably wouldn't be as bad. People would just end games. But a battlecruiser pod would probably take forever.

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 7:44 PM

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Eh paradox engine is one of those cards where if your group doesn’t like it, just don’t play with it

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Just like hullbreach horror

copper pecan Dec 9, 2022, 7:47 PM

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sure but that doesn't really work in the context of an online format where you're playing with strangers

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 7:48 PM

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Then just concede when you see the card played

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You’ll always find combo decks online

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 7:52 PM

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I think if anything, engine's biggest issue is how long it takes

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 7:52 PM

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That’s all combo decks with moving parts

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 7:52 PM

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Love the card, but you're tapping and untapping shit a ton

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It's a little better in paper when you can skip to the end result

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But I can see it being annoying for that reason

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 7:54 PM

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have u seen twiddle storm performed

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or eggs

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or manual storm

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i can keep going

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 7:55 PM

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I mean, yeah there's a lot of decks that do it

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But I can see the complaint

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Also, wasn't eggs hit for that reason once?

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Hits for unfun play patterns happen, especially in commander (Golos)

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 7:57 PM

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Eggs was hit for consistently going to time for their combo and because it wasn’t deterministic

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 7:57 PM

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same with four horsemen

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another long combo that is not deterministic

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 7:58 PM

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Combos that take long without having a deterministic end is usually an issue

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Paradox engine is not one of those

hidden ermine Dec 9, 2022, 7:58 PM

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... isnt it?

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 7:59 PM

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It depends on the paradox engine combo

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Some were, some weren't

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 7:59 PM

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It becomes deterministic much much faster than eggs or four horsemen

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Those decks aren’t deterministic until the very end steps

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 8:01 PM

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I'm just saying that Paradox Engine has unfun play patterns, but I don't know if it's that bad in Brawl

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The commander ban was whatever but I can see why

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 8:01 PM

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The commander ban list is a joke for a reason

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 8:01 PM

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It also helps that Paradox Engine was colorless, meaning it was open to way more archetypes and combos

twilit canyon Dec 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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it also helped a lot of non-blue decks be viable

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 8:06 PM

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Yeah, but "for the wrong reasons"

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Paradox being allowed or banned wouldn't bother me either way, but it does make sense why they hit it

broken fjord Dec 9, 2022, 8:08 PM

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Think a problem was that any deck could run it

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 8:10 PM

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Yeah that's what I mentioned prior

copper pecan Dec 9, 2022, 9:22 PM

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if paradox engine was blue and not colorless i feel like a lot fewer people would have problems with it

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 9:44 PM

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Yeah probably

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Something like 3UU and it'd be fine

fallow citrus Dec 9, 2022, 9:55 PM

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[[paradox engine]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 9, 2022, 9:55 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/aer/169/paradox-engine

Paradox Engine <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell, untap all nonland permanents you control.
"One look at this glorious item convinced me that Kaladesh deserved my full attention. Sure enough, my time here has yielded exquisite fruit." —Tezzeret

glad peak Dec 9, 2022, 11:04 PM

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I think more people would have issues with it

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 11:10 PM

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There'd be issues no matter what

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But I think it being locked into a color feels better

copper pecan Dec 9, 2022, 11:22 PM

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it being locked into a color means it wouldn't be as prevalent

golden plover Dec 9, 2022, 11:23 PM

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Exactly

glad peak Dec 10, 2022, 2:35 AM

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Or it would mean blue is more prevalent

copper pecan Dec 10, 2022, 2:40 AM

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i don't think paradox engine is strong enough to warp the color distribution like that

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like, it's a very strong card but not format warpingly strong

last glen Dec 10, 2022, 3:41 AM

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Are there any decks that have a compact enough wincon to fit within fifteen cards?
I wanna try some smokescreen shenanigans in brewing.

golden plover Dec 10, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Man my LGS and apparently all the other ones nearby are struggling with magic

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We had Jumpstart 2 tonight: 6 players

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FaB was 30ish

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FaB also has way better prize support jesus

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They had seasonal playmats and stuff

sleek ferry Dec 10, 2022, 2:56 PM

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sleek ferry Dec 10, 2022, 3:11 PM

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Kinda sad that FaB is getting that much love considering the principles the game was made on

golden plover Dec 10, 2022, 4:16 PM

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I've heard it's improved a bit lately, but true. Last night was sad, and commander night before it was only 8 of us

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Digimon got like 15 people too, so I don't know if it's just the local stores having issues or magic itself

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Jumpstart was fun at least, even tho my themes sucked together

twilit canyon Dec 10, 2022, 4:32 PM

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def a locals issue

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over here we started firing multiple events through the week cus we can no longer fit everyone during fnm

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and theres thoughts to split modern into 2 events

golden plover Dec 10, 2022, 4:34 PM

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It's weird tho, because the other two locals that are an hour away have been struggling too

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I guess magic is just falling off in the area. But the one that actually did pioneer isn't doing it now because it can't keep players

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All three have commander still, one is doing pauper, but most other stuff is falling off

twilit canyon Dec 10, 2022, 4:36 PM

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this is kind of a down season for other formats

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nothing released impacting them

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ppl are still not liking pioneer

golden plover Dec 10, 2022, 4:39 PM

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I guess. But the bigger down season didn't kill local pioneer play last time

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It might be that only one of the stores is a WPN store too?

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But I've talked to the owner about that and apparently it's really hard to get WPN status

last glen Dec 10, 2022, 4:54 PM

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wait
What's the drama with FaB?

copper pecan Dec 10, 2022, 4:57 PM

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it's the kind of game that was designed to cater to scalpers

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with stuff like mechanically unique cards that are as rare as ghost rares

golden plover Dec 10, 2022, 4:59 PM

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Apparently the reprints have made it a lot more reasonable tho

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I haven't played it, but people were saying that it's cheap to get into now

last glen Dec 10, 2022, 5:11 PM

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that's what I'd heard
that the game had decent reprints

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the core gameplay doesn't seem personally appealing

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but it does look like a potentially fun game

twilit canyon Dec 10, 2022, 5:12 PM

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i dont trust too much cus fab appeals to the magic players who say shit like "oh dont worry it is cheaper. x magic deck is no longer 15k its budget." and when u check the price its 12k

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like not wrong but also way too expensive for anyone reasonable

languid quest Dec 10, 2022, 5:22 PM

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honestly at current point FaB is option for MtG that appeals to MtG players

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it has that same western fantasy look

twilit canyon Dec 10, 2022, 5:34 PM

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kinda funny that wotc is trying to appeal to the anime demographic

golden plover Dec 10, 2022, 5:41 PM

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I wish there was more playstyle variety for FaB, but the gameplay is pretty okay and if I can get a deck for cheap, it seems pretty cool

copper pecan Dec 10, 2022, 5:42 PM

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twilit canyon kinda funny that wotc is trying to appeal to the anime demographic

there was already a really big overlap between mtg players and anime watchers

twilit canyon Dec 10, 2022, 7:34 PM

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hey just bc they are both losers doesnt mean theres overlap. theres different levels to nerd

sleek ferry Dec 10, 2022, 8:50 PM

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Yeah mtg players are bigger nerds

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nyaruhodo

last glen Dec 11, 2022, 1:28 AM

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it has begun

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I am playing the MTGA tutorial now

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golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 1:49 AM

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Jumpstart printing issues got us a phyrexian token

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So now we have reminder text on Toxic

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Makes sense it's worse Infect

copper pecan Dec 11, 2022, 1:55 AM

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seems to just be poisonous but not using the stack

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which is fine i guess, probably just to cut down on stack triggers to save time in arena

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 2:03 AM

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It's notably not activated now

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Although that's really not hugely relevant at all

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You're not gonna [Stifle] a poison counter

waxen hollyBOT Dec 11, 2022, 2:04 AM

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golden plover You're not gonna [Stifle] a poison counter

Could not resolve English data for searches: stifle

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 2:04 AM

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[[Stifle]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 11, 2022, 2:04 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle

Stifle <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target activated or triggered ability. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
"Superior force meets woefully inadequate object. What paradox were you expecting?" —Azguri, archmage of Evos Isle

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 2:34 AM

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Snow is a $40 pack?

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Holy shit

hidden ermine Dec 11, 2022, 2:39 AM

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https://imgur.com/SgI8N0Y

Imgur

Phyrexian Token found in Jumpstart pack (Poison counter on opposite side)

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"New" mechanic is just poisonous but they didnt want to make it clear they were copying their homework

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 2:41 AM

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It's not triggered now

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But yeah

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 4:03 AM

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golden plover

Apparently coldsteel heart is like £15 for some reason

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 4:30 AM

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Yeah, Coldsteel is like $20 USD for no reason

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 4:35 AM

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People must really like the art or something

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 4:38 AM

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I guess so. I'll probably try and flip it before it drops to a reasonable price

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 4:42 AM

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Can't even look up if the artist is famous cause of the star in their name

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 4:53 AM

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Man the more I think about Toxic, the worse it feels

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You can't buff them like Infect

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I'm sure we'll get some shitty enchantment that gives all your guys toxic 1 or whatever

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But toxic being a hard set number feels bad

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 4:55 AM

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It's cause some players don't view infect as a valid way to win

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Alt win cons rub people the wrong way

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 4:55 AM

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Yeah that's really what it is

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They've had so much complaining about "infect isn't fair" that they "fixed" it by taking away all the stuff that made infect work

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It also guarantees you can't run any of these cards in infect decks or whatever because you can't pump them up

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It's really just a pointless downgrade all around

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I'd get cutting the -1/-1 counter part because it's awful in limited and leads to wonky environments here and there, but it's such a weird choice to make it a set number

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Oh god we're gonna get an awful bulk mythic that's got "Toxic 10" aren't we?

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 5:14 AM

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I'd be surprised if they didn't

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It'll be green, surprisingly low cost for the stat line, and have keyword soup with none of them being trample

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 5:14 AM

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"Fixed Blightsteel" time

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Nah, I'm def picturing an overall worse Blightsteel

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 5:15 AM

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I mean they already have that

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 5:15 AM

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Darksteel came first

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 5:15 AM

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Ah

golden plover Dec 11, 2022, 5:16 AM

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I'm picturing a 10 mana 10/10 indestructible toxic 10 with the shuffle ability

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It won't have trample because "Blightsteel feels bad"

fallow citrus Dec 11, 2022, 7:06 AM

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inb4 we get a land creature that does toxic damage

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inkmoth nexus 2.0

glad peak Dec 11, 2022, 10:37 AM

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They really thought infect was unfun so they went back to the mechanic they explicitly said didn’t work

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I’m just hoping there’s more utility to poison counters and these are just creatures that enable that utility rather than going for straight up infect kills

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 10:39 AM

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Since atraxa is in the set it'd be odd to not see anything with proliferation

glad peak Dec 11, 2022, 10:42 AM

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Since mirrodin and phyrexia are in the set you mean nyaruhodo

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I wonder if the rest of the sword cycle will be implemented

lusty trench Dec 11, 2022, 10:44 AM

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I doubt they're gonna print a sword in standard

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Iirc their last one was at mythic in mh2 so that kinda confirms their stance on the swords power levels

glad peak Dec 11, 2022, 10:50 AM

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Sure but the mh2 swords are also completely unplayable

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They definitely would’ve fit better in standard

copper pecan Dec 11, 2022, 4:10 PM

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they don't really print "protection from (color)" in standard anymore

twilit canyon Dec 11, 2022, 4:11 PM

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some cards i didnt see posted

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legion of clay makes jewel thief really strong overall

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theres already a decent mono-green aggro list for alchemy with the 3 drop that makes a clue and jewel thief is semi-playable

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this might be enough of a boost

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resolute is nice but idt it could replace any 3 drop in soldiers who is already bloated with 3s

fallow citrus Dec 11, 2022, 5:45 PM

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[[jewel thief]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 11, 2022, 5:46 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/151/jewel-thief

Jewel Thief <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Cat Rogue
Vigilance, trample
When Jewel Thief enters the battlefield, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"They can afford the loss. They build it into their prices."
3/3

fallow citrus Dec 11, 2022, 5:46 PM

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how does legion of clay do anything with thief cause thief makes a token

twilit canyon Dec 11, 2022, 7:22 PM

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the new 1 drop

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in green

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[[toothing wyrm]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 11, 2022, 7:22 PM

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No card found for “toothing wyrm”

twilit canyon Dec 11, 2022, 7:22 PM

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wtf

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[[teething wurmlet]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 11, 2022, 7:23 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/192/teething-wurmlet

Teething Wurmlet <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Wurm
Teething Wurmlet has deathtouch as long as you control three or more artifacts.
Whenever an artifact enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life. If this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Teething Wurmlet.
1/1

twilit canyon Dec 11, 2022, 7:23 PM

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[[simian simulacrum]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 11, 2022, 7:23 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/205/simian-simulacrum

Simian Simulacrum <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Ape
When Simian Simulacrum enters the battlefield, put two +1/+1 counters on target creature you control.
Unearth mana2 manag manag (: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Unearth only as a sorcery.)
2/1

twilit canyon Dec 11, 2022, 7:23 PM

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theres an artifact-focused green list in alchemy with these and the aforementioned

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jewel thief can ramp you and pump the wurm

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ig they dont interact with the legion of clay super well besides both of them being very good target to get counters

fallow citrus Dec 11, 2022, 7:49 PM

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ohhh right

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I thought you just meant like

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jewel thief directly interacted with it

twilit canyon Dec 11, 2022, 8:29 PM

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yea i can see how that read like that my bad

fallow citrus Dec 11, 2022, 8:34 PM

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nw

fallow citrus Dec 11, 2022, 11:16 PM

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mtga players try not to run the rope so I get bored challenge (impossible)

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got myself into plat for standard anyway this is kinda easy

zinc shard Dec 12, 2022, 5:58 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJUTUIgd7tU

YouTube

PleasantKenobi

State of Magic, December 2022

This video is a little hyperbolic, I know.

▶ Play video

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 6:10 PM

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Just wait until LOTR horizons next year

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All the complaints about Horizons sets doing what they do to Modern + UB is gonna be interesting when Frodo becomes the most played creature

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(For context, 4 out of the top 10 modern cards are horizons cards. 8/10 if you just look at creatures)

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Healthy set

copper pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:14 PM

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god i hate sanctifier en-vec

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i thought we had moved past the design philosophy of cards that lock entire archetypes out of the game being okay

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especially cards that care about the color of your opponent's cards

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 6:16 PM

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That's horizons set design babyy

copper pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 PM

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unironically the thing that bothered me the most about mh2 was them giving chatterfang forestwalk for no reason

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 PM

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Ragavan is the classic because it does all 3 things creatures have historically done for value

copper pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:17 PM

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i was under the impression that landwalk was generally considered to be a badly designed mechanic

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 6:20 PM

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But so many horizons cards are wack designs that shouldn't have happened

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Great draft format tho

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Terrible for what they did to constructed tho

copper pecan Dec 12, 2022, 6:22 PM

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i feel like most of the cards were fine

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the ones that were problems were really big problems though

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like the force elementals really shouldn't have been printed

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and they should have known better than to make hogaak

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if gurmag angler, a delve card that was otherwise a vanilla, was strong enough to see play, they should have realized that hogaak was too good

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 6:27 PM

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Yeah the majority of the cards didn't see play and they're fine, but the ones that did were mega pushed

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I mean, the idea of the set was to force rotation on a no rotation format

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So that's probably why

hidden ermine Dec 12, 2022, 6:34 PM

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I dont think it was, they just wanted to print new cards for the format, and fucked up because their card design at that time was not great

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See also: Oko and Companions

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 6:35 PM

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I guess we'll see when the third comes out soon

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Reveals for that start in January I think?

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So we'll see how pushed they are

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:03 PM

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hidden ermine I dont think it was, they just wanted to print new cards for the format, and fuc...

mh2 was a year after both

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also i stand by mh2 being better for modern than any other set

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:04 PM

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golden plover

i see this list and think. good 3 of the top 5 creatures are interaction and the other 2 are non-oppressive stax pieces

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lets also clear some air on that top creatures list

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it is heavily skewed towards murktide cards cus murktide is the most played deck by a wider margin of players

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this doesnt mean its the best deck

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the best deck in modern is by a decent margin, the creativity deck

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and it runs at most fury of this top 10

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:11 PM

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golden plover I mean, the idea of the set was to force rotation on a no rotation format

and to be perfectly clear, mh2 didnt introduce rotation to a non-rotating format. bot any more than any new standard set so far has

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if we start going back and looking at playables from sets this year

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they all had a pretty crazy amount of em

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kamigawa had emperor, fable, kaito, jukai visionary (in niche builds), a few chunks of artifacts that synergize with affinity, greasefang (weaker overall in modern but still a deck)

sleek ferry Dec 12, 2022, 7:18 PM

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I don't get the complains, Modern is probably the funnest competitive paper format?

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We get mh sets once every 2 years

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the elementals were amazing card design

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I'm sure you could pull up the amount of cards from mh sets used in commander and it would be pretty up there too

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also out of all things to complain about

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you choose mh2?

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literally one of the best sets we've gotten in this game's history

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top to bottom

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the set is beautiful design wise

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:21 PM

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The general consensus was that modern was a safe to invest in format where your decks stuck around for a while, with a few new cards here and there every year

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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new capenna: ledger shredder, hearse, raffine (in niche esper lists), the 3 colored mana instants

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decks still stick around tho

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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But Horizons 1 and 2 pushed the power level a lot and forced rotation effectively

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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its so stupid how ppl think that all decks died

hidden ermine Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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I mean modern is just basically the main constructed format now, isnt it

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Standard fell off super hard once it wasnt the only format that got competitive support

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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So it went from changing decks once every 3-4 years or so to once every other year when then new horizons set dropped

hidden ermine Dec 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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~~Because as it turns out if you dont force players to play standard, theyre not gonna play standard~~

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:23 PM

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Modern Horizons has a lot of fun designs, but it turns out that a lot of it pushed the envelope too hard and it lead to people not liking the sets

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:25 PM

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after watching a fair bit of him I kind of agree with what mengu says about mh sets

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they make the format a lot more interactive

sleek ferry Dec 12, 2022, 7:25 PM

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also before horizon sets weren't people nonstop bitching about modern? (it was before my time, but i always hear modern players praise how much horizon sets did for the format)

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:26 PM

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also like

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remove interaction and you have pioneer basically

glad peak Dec 12, 2022, 7:26 PM

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People were always bitching about modern

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:26 PM

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It's a mixed bag. Some people liked the old modern, others hated it

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But when you're the most played competitive format, you're gonna have people complain either way

glad peak Dec 12, 2022, 7:26 PM

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Especially the fact that it wasn’t interactive

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Now they’re bitching about it being too interactive

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:27 PM

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I don't like some things about MH2 like ragavan all that much

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but the incarnations are cool

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:27 PM

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I think the incarnations are cool designs, but they probably shouldn't have been literally free

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Probably should have had a smaller cost to the evoke

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:27 PM

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they're 2 for 1s unless you're playing a deck dedicated to abusing them

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:28 PM

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True, but so is stuff like FoW

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A 2 for 1 can be fine when it's a really good effect

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:29 PM

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aight but the meta decks in modern always changed frequently

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even before mh1

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Yeah true. But usually old decks could still compete

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:29 PM

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ppls pet decks were "viable"

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:29 PM

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I would also say one of the biggest changes in deckbuilding recently is people going towards 5c to abuse leyline binding

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:29 PM

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there are now way more pet decks viable in modern

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:30 PM

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You could bring a 2013 deck in 2015 and it'd be playableish

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:30 PM

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no it wouldnt

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:30 PM

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You wouldn't be like winning anything more than maybe an FNM but you'd have the ability to win some games

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:31 PM

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same with nowdays

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:32 PM

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I think the biggest thing tho is that people didn't like that the sets made the format feel like you've gotta be playing cards exclusively from 2 sets to compete

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:32 PM

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there are more viable tier 2-3 decks atm and a larger amount of tier 1 decks

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:32 PM

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It might just be them pushing power more in general, but the horizons sets ended up pretty divisive and it's probably at least partially because they're really centralizing

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:33 PM

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murktide, hammer, creativity, 4c midrange, 4c elementals, 5c control, leyline rhinos, blood moon rhinos, living end, rakdos scam, deaths shadow, merfolk are all tier 1 decks

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:33 PM

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mh just feel like powerful standard sets really

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:33 PM

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i cant list every tier 2 deck or it just wont end

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 7:33 PM

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I guess the closest comparison is probably Eldraine

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:33 PM

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like again

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leyline binding has kinda changed how people build their mana bases

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people are now more inclined to go 4/5c because they have good payoffs for it

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:35 PM

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and it makes land destruction and blood moon better

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saw a rakdos scam player cast fulminator mage and then cast 2 revival spells on it and watched him win vs rhinos

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:38 PM

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pretty sure that's a reportable crime

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:40 PM

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it was pretty funny

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 7:42 PM

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also reminds me I just saw arcane proxy in a rhino list

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pretty neat

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 7:50 PM

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its good in rhinos yes

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i was gonna get to that

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dmu introduced a fair lot of cards to modern

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merfolk lord, goblin lord, elf lord

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affinity karn

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sheoldred

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cut down

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tear asunder

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leyline binding, niashoba brawler

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theres a few more

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and now brothers war introduced more shit

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arcane proxy, the worm with ward pay life equal to its power, saheeli, haywire mite, third path iconoclast

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theres more stuff but im at work rn

fallow citrus Dec 12, 2022, 8:00 PM

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iconoclast was huge

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and haywire mite is in the side of nearly every deck that plays saga

twilit canyon Dec 12, 2022, 8:04 PM

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should be 100

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every saga deck can play mite and splash a tiny bit of green for it

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card is insane

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 8:07 PM

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Had an interesting idea:
-Partner Jumpstart
Make a packet of 48 cards for each partner commander (2 slots left out for sol ring, arcane signet, mana confluence, and command tower) and treat it like a cube. I think I'd use the uncommon partners from Commander Legends as the "rare packs" and the various other partners as the "mythic packs"

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Wouldn't be using any of the partner with, friends forever, or background cards tho

glad peak Dec 12, 2022, 8:50 PM

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Yep, I thought about that too but with a 29 card half deck instead of 48

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Since commander draft decks are 60 cards

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The issue is mostly that there aren’t many interesting directions to have the existing partner commanders go other than the archetypes they’re locked into

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Generally that’s fine but then sometimes you’ll run into something like roggy+tree

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 9:23 PM

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Yeah true. A lot of them are mishmash archetypes

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But that's sorta jumpstart as a whole

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Some are good like the blue one that turns scries into draws and the djinn tho

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 10:24 PM

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glad peak Yep, I thought about that too but with a 29 card half deck instead of 48

Another downside I realized: It'll be REALLY hard to track and guarantee all possible deck combinations are singleton

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I could probably just choose to ignore it for the sake of this

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But say you use something like Fellwar Stone in Akiri. You can't use Fellwar Stone in any of the other 56 decks

sleek ferry Dec 12, 2022, 10:32 PM

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Speaking of which

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Was commander legends 2 a good draft format?

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I was too busy hating the set to actually play it

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 11:12 PM

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It's fine

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Not super great, but not awful

sleek ferry Dec 12, 2022, 11:34 PM

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Not better than CL1 right

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 11:49 PM

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MUCH worse

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The draft format is much slower and grindier

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Games go on FOREVER because of initiative

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Man building a deck for some of these partner pairings sucks

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[[Alena, Kessig Tracker]] is notably bad

lost widgetBOT Dec 12, 2022, 11:50 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/160/alena-kessig-trapper

Alena, Kessig Trapper <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Scout
First strike
manat : Add an amount of manar equal to the greatest power among creatures you control that entered the battlefield this turn.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"Halana and I have a bond that'll never be broken."
4/3

golden plover Dec 12, 2022, 11:50 PM

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I just threw a bunch of big low cost creatures in hers

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Some are gonna have to be tribal (Akroma, the Wolf, etc)

glad peak Dec 13, 2022, 12:10 AM

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Yep, partner jumpstart is miserable to build if you don’t just straight up errata your sleeves to give things partner

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You can add kiki and sneak attack type cards into alena btw

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 12:29 AM

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Oh true, that could help

zinc shard Dec 13, 2022, 1:36 AM

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code "RepairAndRecharge" for 3000 XP and 1000 Gold

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:26 AM

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lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:27 AM

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Initiative going that hard huh?

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:27 AM

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Yeah

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They've had to ban a lot of the good initiative cards in pauper

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And mono-white initiative is currently tearing up legacy

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:28 AM

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Isn't minsc and boo also doing a fair amount

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:28 AM

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Yeah, turns out giving a planeswalker an etb is GOOD

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Funny the set sucked for commander outside of a few cards but it's doing numbers to eternal formats

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Tbh I dislike how much bookkeeping initiative adds as is

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But it's not designed to work well at all in a 2 player game

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 2:34 AM

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minsc and boo is falling off

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but initiative is good because you get to play other good cards with it

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:36 AM

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He can't fall off he's in baldurs gate 3 now

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VERYSADCAT

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 2:36 AM

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he fell out of legacy and into baldurs gate 3

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:36 AM

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I will accept that

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nyaruhodo

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 2:36 AM

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but I think M&B was just in the same situation as Nykthos Ramp in pioneer

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people just figured out how to play against it

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so it isn't as good

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:37 AM

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I think Minsc will probably pop up again here and there, but he's not as insane as he seemed at first yeah

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:37 AM

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Loving him in my dragon commander deck rn

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:37 AM

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But yeah, the upside to initiative is that you've only gotta play a few good initiative cards to keep it on yourself and the rest of the deck can just be goodstuff

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:38 AM

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Card randomly shows up and I'm like "omg minsc hiiiiii 💖"

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:38 AM

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And even if they kill your initiative guy, it's around for the rest of the game

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Which ends up being the issue

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Its fine now in pauper, but like 3 or 4 are banned

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 2:39 AM

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also helps that the initiative guys are just good

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[[seasoned dungeoneer]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 13, 2022, 2:39 AM

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/660/seasoned-dungeoneer

Seasoned Dungeoneer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Warrior
When Seasoned Dungeoneer enters the battlefield, you take the initiative.
Whenever you attack, target attacking Cleric, Rogue, Warrior, or Wizard gains protection from creatures until end of turn. It explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on the creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
3/4

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 2:39 AM

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gives you safe attacks to steal the initiative

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but it just benefits off of like

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you have all the disgusting white cards

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:40 AM

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Yeah you're already able to play all the good cards in your colors so you can just throw these in for free advantage

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That's what happens when you don't test them outside of 4 player tho

glad peak Dec 13, 2022, 2:57 AM

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commander is a problem i agree nyaruhodo

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:57 AM

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Thing is, these designs are totally fine in commander

glad peak Dec 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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monarch was also designed for 1v1 so i'm generally alright with that sort of design

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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Yeah monarch was tested in 1v1

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This comes from them not testing it in 1v1 games too

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Tbh, initiative is really annoying to track considering everyone has to track it the second it starts, regardless of if their deck cares or not, so it's kinda bad design too

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But testing them in 1v1 and commander is important

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 3:00 AM

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I mean everyone's deck cares about intiative because you still get bonuses even if you aren't playing initiative cards

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this isn't day/night

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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Yeah, you get stuff whenever you have it, but you've gotta keep track of it too regardless of if you wanted to or not

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 3:08 AM

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it is what it is ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I don't really mind tracking things as long as they aren't night/day

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just not a mechanic I enjoy

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 2:51 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1052224772701945936/IMG_2865.png?width=828&height=662

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so this supports the ||quintorius becomes a planeswalker|| leak

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:53 PM

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Who is the ||lady knight||?

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Also ||what a random ass person to become a planes walker||

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||also I see you there tezzeret you ain't slick||

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 2:55 PM

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||i think the knight is thalia||

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:55 PM

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copper pecan ||i think the knight is thalia||

monkaGIGA

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||stax walker???||

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 2:55 PM

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||god i hope not||

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 2:56 PM

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||wait so with this art, does this mean all is one refers to the phyrexians merging all planes together?||

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||because I see theros, zendikar and kamigawa here||

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 2:57 PM

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do we spoiler reveals here?

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 2:57 PM

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||seems like it||

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only leaks

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 3:00 PM

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don't know if these are already revealed or leaks so I'll spoiler them

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granite badge Dec 13, 2022, 3:02 PM

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last glen don't know if these are already revealed or leaks so I'll spoiler them

I believe these were leaks from a month ago or so?

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 3:02 PM

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ahh

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I just saw them today

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when is the official reveal stream

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https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1602362651715198976

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lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 3:03 PM

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||so err, if the phyrexians are making all planes one, what does that mean for bolas in ugins meditation realm?||

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 3:14 PM

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||phyrexian bolas when||

sleek ferry Dec 13, 2022, 3:14 PM

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Plot twist: ||phyrexian ugin, good guy bolas||

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 3:15 PM

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Tbh ||bolas would absolutely team up to put down ugin||

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||but ----- has no power anymore so that's probably not gonna happen, cause y'know, no name||

sudden lava Dec 13, 2022, 3:19 PM

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wait stream today?

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 3:22 PM

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yeah

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in a few hours

lusty trench Dec 13, 2022, 3:22 PM

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Ping me when cards are revealed

sudden lava Dec 13, 2022, 4:12 PM

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@copper pecan is there a link?

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 4:12 PM

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it's twitch.tv/magic

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idk when the stream happens

sudden lava Dec 13, 2022, 4:12 PM

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ty

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:09 PM

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twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:13 PM

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elesh norn breaking the pattern

hidden ermine Dec 13, 2022, 6:14 PM

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Wrong mana cost?

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:15 PM

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twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:17 PM

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im upset

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why did they change the flavor text

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it was perfect

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:17 PM

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Is this a standard set

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:17 PM

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yes

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:17 PM

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new pioneer toys

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:18 PM

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yep

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:18 PM

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there better be dinosaur support here
~~there will not be~~

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:18 PM

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there wont

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:18 PM

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twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:19 PM

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noooooo

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slobad was dead

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:21 PM

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last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:22 PM

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last glen

also this is part of a cycle

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:23 PM

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koth pogofgreed

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last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:25 PM

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ten planeswalkers in this set
(not this art except for Koth)

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story spoilers
||five of these planeswalkers will be compleated||
||Koth is confirmed safe||

hidden ermine Dec 13, 2022, 6:27 PM

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Hmm

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:28 PM

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all of them are getting what-if compleated manga art

hidden ermine Dec 13, 2022, 6:28 PM

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||Lets guess. Its not Jace even though it should be Jace. Not Koth. Probably not the Wanderer/Emperor. So Im guessing Nahiri, Vraska, Luka, the Kamigawa dude and the elf dude||

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:29 PM

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iirc according to leaks ||jace does get compleated||

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:29 PM

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they're showing everything on stream

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can't grab all the art but here's an example

hidden ermine Dec 13, 2022, 6:30 PM

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The problem with ||compleating Jace|| is that it removes tension

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||Because then you know compleation can and will be reversed||

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 6:31 PM

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can't believe they're going to reprint gitaxian probe this set :^)

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 6:35 PM

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last glen

Why'd they fuck with the design

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:35 PM

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i like the new design tbh

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just hate the flavortext

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 6:35 PM

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It's a good design but obliterator is iconic

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:36 PM

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last glen story spoilers ||five of these planeswalkers will be compleated|| ||Koth is conf...

bets on ||jace, vraska, koth, nahiri, and lukka||

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everyone else is probably too crafty/powerful/safe for now

hidden ermine Dec 13, 2022, 6:37 PM

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||Koth is confirmed safe||

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||Im doubting Jace because they never allow Jace to be in real danger||

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:38 PM

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oh shit the alt art for norn is being done by junji ito

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 6:38 PM

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That came from the same leaker as Quintorius tho

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:38 PM

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One of ||Jace and Vraska|| makes sense to me
Milk that character drama

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 6:38 PM

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hidden ermine ||Im doubting Jace because they never allow Jace to be in real danger||

So... It's pretty much confirmed

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:39 PM

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have a feeling ||compleated walkers will be able to be reverted. karn and urabrask will work together after the fact to restore those lost||

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:44 PM

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wait i just remembered

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[[assemble the team]]

lost widgetBOT Dec 13, 2022, 6:44 PM

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https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/17/assemble-the-team

Assemble the Team <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search the top third of your library, rounded up, for a card. Put that card into your hand, then shuffle.

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:45 PM

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i swear to god if they accidentally spoiled who dies

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:45 PM

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oh now im thinking all these guys live actually

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:45 PM

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they can't

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koth isn't there and we know that he lives

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:45 PM

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i meant the ones pictured

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well compleation isnt death

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:45 PM

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and that means there would only be 4 compleated planeswalkers

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oh

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:46 PM

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they hit us with a "koth is safe" but thats just for now

trail anvil Dec 13, 2022, 6:48 PM

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last glen

ayo elesh norn seems pretty bonkers?

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:49 PM

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yea she is

trail anvil Dec 13, 2022, 6:49 PM

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5 mana for a 5/7 is already a pretty decent rate, then you get yarok + floodgate on top of that

twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 6:49 PM

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generic enough cost too

sleek ferry Dec 13, 2022, 6:49 PM

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Can’t wait for every casual commander channel to be like “ban elesh norn”

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:52 PM

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I missed some because stream froze moon2A

trail anvil Dec 13, 2022, 6:52 PM

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last glen story spoilers ||five of these planeswalkers will be compleated|| ||Koth is conf...

also ||my money's on nissa getting compleated, not only because it would be a shock but also I feel like her aesthetic would work with compleation||

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:53 PM

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I think these are "universes within" of the Street Fighter Secret Lair

sleek ferry Dec 13, 2022, 6:56 PM

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Didn’t we also recently get ||black nissa?||

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Or am I misremembering

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 6:56 PM

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yeah we did

trail anvil Dec 13, 2022, 6:56 PM

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||yeah in that landfall set||

sleek ferry Dec 13, 2022, 6:57 PM

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I would enjoy if ||jace finally got the death he deserves, I mean nobody actually likes him||

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Also seeing as how they’re setting up this to be ||Teferi’s greatest accomplishment, can we assume he dies in the next big lore event?||

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:59 PM

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last glen Dec 13, 2022, 6:59 PM

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sleek ferry Also seeing as how they’re setting up this to be ||Teferi’s greatest accomplishm...

||maybe he dies in this arc as part of his great accomplishment||

copper pecan Dec 13, 2022, 7:00 PM

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last glen

ryu from streets from mtg...

trail anvil Dec 13, 2022, 7:01 PM

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||tbh it wouldn't surprise me if they just made teferi the mc from this point on||

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||they kinda already have||

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 7:02 PM

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sleek ferry Dec 13, 2022, 7:02 PM

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He is but ||it also feels as if they’re positioning Kaya to take over that spot at some point imo||

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 7:04 PM

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fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 7:05 PM

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👀

trail anvil Dec 13, 2022, 7:06 PM

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pog

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 7:06 PM

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machine mommy has so many different alt arts lmao

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twilit canyon Dec 13, 2022, 7:08 PM

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she is the queen and must make it everyones problem

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:09 PM

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NOOOO

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 7:09 PM

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fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 7:10 PM

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god DAMN these alt arts are nice

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golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:10 PM

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Yeah Venser isn't coming back from this one

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:11 PM

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last glen

New Koth creature or walker?

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(The Boros Commander Deck is headed by Koth)

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 7:12 PM

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We know a new Koth walker

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:12 PM

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Yeah but he's not Boros and can't be your commander

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There's a second Koth

last glen Dec 13, 2022, 7:12 PM

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Ahh

fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 7:12 PM

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yoo

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phyrexian lands

golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:13 PM

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fallow citrus Dec 13, 2022, 7:13 PM

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golden plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:13 PM

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So Boros Koth and 3c Norn?

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Is that Norn?

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That's not Atraxa

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