Magic the Gathering

[steady onyx]

its not a 1v1

its a 1v1v1v1

and u have to like talk to the other peple

[glad peak]

Mana management, people management, threat assessment, tempo assessment, card+mana advantage, lands

There’s a lot

[steady onyx]

the big one for me was people management

and like not being able to stop other people as they "comboed" off

[glad peak]

Yugioh has a lot of skills that magic doesn’t offer either

Well, most magic formats at least

[steady onyx]

i got inifinite comboed? like 2 out of the 5 games i played

fksdngkdsg

[glad peak]

Free interaction

[sleek ferry]

Hey at least the stack is fairly easy to understand if you’re coming from Yugioh

[steady onyx]

yeha

that was super easy to undertstand

[glad peak]

You think that’s easy to understand? Let me blow your mind by showing you that people are technically not casting spells correctly

[steady onyx]

'

?

[glad peak]

Someone actually got disqualified from a world championship back in the day for this

You’re supposed to declare and put onto the stack a spell before paying for them

And that rule lets you do a lot of weird things that don’t really exist in commander (mostly due to low consistency or it doesn’t instantly win)

[steady onyx]

wait

so u like pay cost

when chain resolves?

[sleek ferry]

Do people not do this?

[glad peak]

Nope

No one does this

[steady onyx]

quick question

[glad peak]

Most people float then pay, which is now possible because they just gave up enforcing the rule

[steady onyx]

can u flash ur comander

if it has flash?

[glad peak]

Yes

[steady onyx]

from command zone

ok

[sleek ferry]

Oh wait so there’s two steps to declaring? Pre paying the cost and post paying the cost?

[glad peak]

There’s layers within layers to rules

Mana speed is a thing because of this iirc

[sleek ferry]

I always assumed you had to pay then declare

[glad peak]

It’s “I intend to play X, target Y (if applicable), then tap mana”

[sleek ferry]

What’s a specific situation where declaring and not playing would be relevant? Land destruction/tap your lands down?

[glad peak]

No, KCI combo

And panglacial wurm schenanigans

KCI combo itself is easy to execute but the rules behind it are weird

You can intend to cast something that will trigger something that isn’t in the grave at that point then sacrifice the thing that wants to trigger for mana, then trigger the thing

I can’t remember what the name of the card was but it leads to a loop

[sleek ferry]

That’s actually interesting. I know I watch a lot of cardmarket’s weekly videos about previous rulings that caused confusions and etc, surprised this hasn’t been brought up

[glad peak]

They’ll probably bring it up on one of their format throwback recaps if they get to that era of modern

KCI has some easy wins but this casting rule really made you become a master of the deck

https://youtu.be/8olqGdtZuvg

2:55

I guess the closest thing to it in yugioh is setting up a situation where you get a mandatory trigger to chainblock a card you want to resolve

[lusty trench]

Thinking of making a politics commander deck anyone know any cards they like having played on them (kinda like the join forces cards)

[sleek ferry]

The green 4 drop

Hmm was it a 4 drop

It’s the one that you make everybody on the table destroy somebody else’s artifact/enchantments besides your own

It’s pretty recent

[golden plover]

I'm thinking of eventually building all proxy Kynaios and Tiro

And something Jund/Properly temur

[sleek ferry]

Oh here we go

[[druid of purification]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/39/druid-of-purification?utm_source=discord

Druid of Purification <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Druid
When Druid of Purification enters the battlefield, starting with you, each player may choose an artifact or enchantment you don't control. Destroy each permanent chosen this way.
"Return to the earth and the wind."
2/3

[golden plover]

Gonna convert Thrasios and Jeska into Thrasios and Vial Smasher

[golden plover]

Could always go marchesa and do all the fun voting cards

[steady onyx]

are any partner commander

/person and backstory commander

good

cause the idea of having 2 commanders is kinda cool to me

[sleek ferry]

A lot of partner commanders are either extremely powerful or extremely fun to use

[golden plover]

[[Capital Punishment]] is fun

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/40/capital-punishment?utm_source=discord

Capital Punishment <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Council's dilemma — Starting with you, each player votes for death or taxes. Each opponent sacrifices a creature for each death vote and discards a card for each taxes vote.
"I did offer them a choice . . ." —Queen Marchesa

[sleek ferry]

I would recommend taking a look at the partners in commander legends 1 to start

[steady onyx]

ok

[golden plover]

Throw in shit like [[Grudge Keeper]] to force them to vote your way

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cns/28/grudge-keeper?utm_source=discord

Grudge Keeper <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Wizard
Whenever players finish voting, each opponent who voted for a choice you didn't vote for loses 2 life.
"Your defiance is noted."
2/1

[sleek ferry]

They’re more simplistic than the older partners

[golden plover]

There's a ton of fun partners in CL1

Obviously I'm biased towards Roghark

[steady onyx]

my biggest sad thing about magic

is there no waugh

waifu :(

[sleek ferry]

Uh

[golden plover]

There's about to be a decent amount of anime cards if that's your thing

[steady onyx]

ohhh

👀

[sleek ferry]

You’ll find out real quick that you don’t need waifus in a world where Teferi is daddy

[golden plover]

I think only one is a legendary creature tho

Also, yeah, there's way cooler things than worrying about waifus

[sleek ferry]

The thing that immediately struck me when I started playing mtg was

“Holy shit there’s POC in a tcg?! Now that’s fucking cool”

[lusty trench]

And what's even cooler is they're getting even more representation

[golden plover]

Yeah honestly that is one thing MTG does relatively well compared to other tcgs

[steady onyx]

poc?

[lusty trench]

And while what happened to nissa and Chandra was awful, I'm happy they've improved somewhat about LGBT support as well

[golden plover]

There's even some LGBT reps, but that's pretty hit or miss

[sleek ferry]

Yeah there’s not only POC, but they’re a central part of the story

[lusty trench]

Persons of colour

[sleek ferry]

Like Kaya is probably the most badass person in the world rn

[golden plover]

Most of the time the LGBT characters are random side characters on a plane unfortunately

But there's cool stuff like [[Vadrik]] who just wants to get home to his husband

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/248/vadrik-astral-archmage?utm_source=discord

Vadrik, Astral Archmage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
If it's neither day nor night, it becomes day as Vadrik, Astral Archmage enters the battlefield.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast, where X is Vadrik's power.
Whenever day becomes night or night becomes day, put a +1/+1 counter on Vadrik.
1/2

[golden plover]

And yeah, Kaya is awesome

[lusty trench]

These are good suggestions, Ty guys

[golden plover]

There's a couple cards that double your votes too if you wanna lean into voting

[[Ballot Broker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/13/ballot-broker?utm_source=discord

Ballot Broker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Advisor
While voting, you may vote an additional time. (The votes can be for different choices or for the same choice.)
"Merchants and politicians differ only in name." —Queen Marchesa
2/3

[golden plover]

And [[Brago's Representative]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cns/14/bragos-representative?utm_source=discord

Brago's Representative <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Advisor
While voting, you get an additional vote. (The votes can be for different choices or for the same choice.)
On Fiora, no matter is settled until King Brago offers an opinion.
1/4

[golden plover]

Could actually do tivit since he gets you another vote and gets you blue

Gets you all the fun blue voting cards and [[Illusion of Choice]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/31/illusion-of-choice?utm_source=discord

Illusion of Choice <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
You choose how each player votes this turn.
Draw a card.
"Please vote with a clear head and vigilant heart, knowing each voice is meaningful regardless of the outcome." —Ottavio d'Oro, Electoral Committee Speaker of Paliano

[golden plover]

Fun combo with [[Expropriate]] to take a lot of turns

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/30/expropriate?utm_source=discord

Expropriate <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Council's dilemma — Starting with you, each player votes for time or money. For each time vote, take an extra turn after this one. For each money vote, choose a permanent owned by the voter and gain control of it. Exile Expropriate.
Few things are more valuable than time or money—and Leovold has plenty of both.

[golden plover]

Damn now I kinda wanna build tivit voting for my Esper deck

[lusty trench]

Welp tried to make a voting deck

There's only like 10 cards that care about it

[copper pecan]

pretty wild that they printed [[cosmic larva]] and then never elaborated on it at all

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/63/cosmic-larva?utm_source=discord

Cosmic Larva <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Beast
Trample
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Cosmic Larva unless you sacrifice two lands.
For millennia they wandered from plane to plane, devouring all metal. Finally, their wanderings are over.
7/6

[copper pecan]

like you'd think this would be important to the plot because of the flavor text

but it never gets mentioned in the story

[zinc shard]

in b4 they show up and kill the Phyrexians

[copper pecan]

can't wait for them to print cosmic pupa in the next set

[golden plover]

That's the secret anti-phyrexian weapon

[zinc shard]

I love this phrasing

[lusty trench]

Oh I love this

It's absolutely a card they made cause they got mindslavered or emrakul'd

But something like this would be very neat

[glad peak]

2 mana 3/2

Busted

[twilit canyon]

flash

all it needed was another keyword

[golden plover]

Yeah it should really be a 2/2

But otherwise it's fine

[lusty trench]

This is an ability niche enough where I don't mind it having the good stat line, but my issue with it is that it's entirely too niche

[granite badge]

how many cards even take control of you? isn't it just mindslayer/Emerakul?

[golden plover]

Would also prevent stuff like [[Opposition Agent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=discord

Opposition Agent <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
You control your opponents while they're searching their libraries.
While an opponent is searching their library, they exile each card they find. You may play those cards for as long as they remain exiled, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast them.
3/2

[golden plover]

And [[Sorin Markov's]] ult

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m12/109/sorin-markov?utm_source=discord

Sorin Markov <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
+2: Sorin Markov deals 2 damage to any target and you gain 2 life.
−3: Target opponent's life total becomes 10.
−7: You control target player during that player's next turn.
Loyalty: 4

[lusty trench]

Opposition Agent is the biggest one to think about as it's incredibly relevant

But I don't think this is going to fix that issue given that... You're probably going to have to search for this to answer it anyway

[golden plover]

There's also my personal favorite:

[[Cruel Entertainment]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/11/cruel-entertainment?utm_source=discord

Cruel Entertainment <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Choose target player and another target player. The first player controls the second player during the second player's next turn, and the second player controls the first player during the first player's next turn.

[glad peak]

It’s not that it just has a good statline, it’s a 2 drop that trades up and hits for more than it should due to flash

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

It flashes in on the attack of a 3/3 and trades

If it was WW tho, I'd be fine with that

[glad peak]

It would be an instant staple in cube even without any other text

[golden plover]

Way more restrictive tho

So a 2/2 1W or a 3/2 WW

Because the flash is vital

[lusty trench]

Iirc they don't make flash cards with power higher than their cmc

[golden plover]

Pretty much

[[Brineborn Cutthroat]] ended up being one of the closest and he's a design they've moved away from

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/50/brineborn-cutthroat?utm_source=discord

Brineborn Cutthroat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Pirate
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
Whenever you cast a spell during an opponent's turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Brineborn Cutthroat.
"I always attack from where their spyglasses can't see."
2/1

[last glen]

I was doing some trimming for my money-some-object build
and damn a lot of the cost in this game is in the good lands

[lusty trench]

Yup

[glad peak]

Which deck and format?

[lusty trench]

Wotc when I ask for another set of fetches

[glad peak]

Because costs can get so much worse

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/flcl-shakedown-robbed-money-let-it-out-gif-20742472

[last glen]

Pioneer
those shocklands are not necessary extremely expensive
I've seen those Modern costs
but they're still a pretty big bite when you buy playsets of them

also Boseiju

[lusty trench]

Play edh, you only have to buy one hides stupidly expensive format staples

[glad peak]

If you think modern is bad, they’re pretty cheap compared to even a year ago

Edh is the worst of both worlds, stupidly expensive and you don’t see most of them in play

Also look at legacy manabases

[lusty trench]

You wanna buy a gilded drake

It's only checks prices fuckin hell

[last glen]

I could buy whole Yu-Gi-Oh decks for the price of a manabase lol

[glad peak]

I mean, it’s like buying ash blossoms back before the reprints

Staple cards that you need for any deck

Buy once use forever kind of deal

[lusty trench]

Wizards making accessible reprints is a hilarious joke we tell ourselves because we lowered the bar on that so much

[last glen]

I was able to get down from three hundred to about a hundred
mostly by making my mana base worse

maybe I'll grab it up when I find somewhere to play in person

or just to collect a deck

[lusty trench]

Remember commander collections

That was nice

[glad peak]

Meanwhile mh2 reprints cutting prices by 4x

[lusty trench]

I mean on the one hand sure

On the other, mh2 also made new cards at that price too

[last glen]

I feel like it's somewhat worse since you need them for different color combinations
my red-green lands won't fit in a blue-white deck

[glad peak]

Don’t play bad colors then

[lusty trench]

Because if wotc is going to reprint anything meaningfully, they're making pushed AF cards as well to sell

[last glen]

I have been having some fun doing some hyper-budget Pioneer builds
all cards 50 cents and cheaper

[glad peak]

Also prize support is generally much much better in magic so just win some to be able to buy some of the expensive ones

[lusty trench]

win

[glad peak]

I swear some lgs events are money laundering schemes

[lusty trench]

I am allergic to victory

[glad peak]

Gitgud

[lusty trench]

Me getting foil windfalls for... Walking into stores

I got two secret lairs for... Attending two £5 events

I'd like to bring my strong decks to my lgs to win stuff but I don't want to pub stomp

Or get super targeted

[glad peak]

I remember winning $150 for getting second at 2 modern weeklies

With a budget deck that cost less than the payout

[lusty trench]

[glad peak]

Also remember blood mooning someone turn 2 and seeing them ragequit

In commander

[lusty trench]

If you did that to my dragon deck I'd concede

The deck runs no basics

I fetch for triomes

And triomes only

[glad peak]

Run more basics scrub

Actually though, the deck was made with fighting cedh in mind but trying to be weak so it has a lot of nonbasic land hate

A deck meant to try and make it miserable to play the stronger your deck is

[lusty trench]

My dragon deck is strong but it takes a bit to get there, and people know it, so I'm cool with it... My urza deck though people just... Forget about me as I usually don't have a great board presence

[glad peak]

Ignoring combo decks because they have no field, what’s wrong with edh players

Actually I kind of find it funny abusing that tendency people have, letting me draw every piece of protection then letting me 2 card combo

[lusty trench]

I reality chip sensei combod

They tried to answer it but I got the chip back and attached it again

And then I windfalled all of them

We all decked out

[golden plover]

Someone convince me not to Cow Tools my Swords to Plowshares in my new deck

Consider I'm 100% making this the Propaganda too

[lusty trench]

Get a blue piece of paper to put over the not when they pay the cost

[golden plover]

Lmao true

You are temporarily immune to propaganda

[waxen timber]

It's crazy how little representation green has in standard. Looking at MTGgoldfish's stats it's at like 10% or like 7% if you don't include 4c and 5c

Kinda makes sense when Dimir plus decks are 50% of the meta

If I had to guess what caused this, probably we are just now hitting the results of green being overpowered during FIRE design

[golden plover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1597284108228755456

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

The 30th Anniversary Edition sale has concluded, and the product is currently unavailable for purchase. Thanks to everyone who joined us today!

Please reach out to customer service if you believe you’re experiencing an issue with your purchase: https://t.co/qet9R12Lo2

Twitter · Nov 28, 2022, 5:39 PM

Sold out in 20 minutes

So much for "no one is gonna buy these"

[languid quest]

in perfect WotC's greed and toxicity wouldn't be rewarded but we don't live in perfect world do we so there are always enough idiots that fall for it

[golden plover]

Yup, and they'll keep doing it

[languid quest]

sad but true

[last glen]

I've seen speculation that the language of "has concluded" as opposed to "sold out" implies that they're not sold out

But I think the language used on the website itself is "Sold Out"

[golden plover]

Yeah, I think the tweet is just worded weird

Their stores all day "sold out"

[copper pecan]

ngl, anyone who thought this wouldn't sell well wasn't very smart

this was obviously going to sell well

[golden plover]

Yeah the mega whales were gonna buy it up on site, encouraging more of it

Literally everyone went "that's a waste of money, don't do that" but it was gonna happen no matter what

[languid quest]

you know I have feeling that thanks to those people whole 30A debacle was just tip of iceberg and things will only get worse

[copper pecan]

i feel like it would be best to just wait and see

[languid quest]

we have already seen how low WotC is willing to go so things will surely only get worse

[golden plover]

It's kinda hard to sink lower than $1000 proxies

But I'm sure they'll find a way

[twilit canyon]

i have absolutely no qualms about them selling proxies for $1k

so long as its non-essential game pieces

[glad peak]

Let people spend money on what they want as long as you don’t need it to play well

Honestly same reason I don’t care for the reserve list (Yes yes commander but you don’t have to play commander well, it’s literally the purpose)

[languid quest]

oh they always find the way

[glad peak]

Legacy though, that’s more tricky

[languid quest]

that's nature of large corporations

[golden plover]

I mean the biggest issue is it showing they're probably just gonna move to focusing on the mega whales more and not caring about the game itself as much

Players give you next to no money when you can get it all from investors buying $1000 products

[last glen]

I think the bigger stink is that it was marketed and framed as a communal celebration
but priced way out of the range of most players, even considering MTG as a luxury hobby

[golden plover]

Yeah that too

[last glen]

otherwise it'd just be an expensive collectors item/product

[golden plover]

It was marketed as a fun thing to celebrate 30 years but it's only available to the mega rich players

If there was anything else going on for anniversary, it wouldn't have mattered, just been a shitty product

But it's THE 30th anniversary product

For comparison, Pokemon reprinted the full base set into standard at $3 packs for their 25th, and had new modern versions of iconic cards in the set too

They still had expensive collectors cards in that, but it was all alt arts and stuff

[languid quest]

yeah and by telling "this product isn't for you" to 99% of community they basically told most of community that they are not welcome

[golden plover]

It's really telling they couldn't get MTG YouTubers to open these for videos

They had to get Yugioh and Pokemon YouTubers to do it

And even then, one of the yugioh ones put out an apology video

[lusty trench]

A lot of them turned it down too

Cause any amount of research into the product turns up with people saying this is a good idea for a product priced to the extreme

[golden plover]

Yeah, didn't Team APS say they turned down the offer?

It was being offered to a lot of YouTubers

Most MTG ones said no

A decent chunk of the yugioh ones said no

Cr1tikal made a video on it

[languid quest]

folks at Team APS are not only smart but also friends with The Professor so they are likely well informed

[golden plover]

Yeah I like team APS, they seem like good guys

https://twitter.com/franalations23/status/1597286001998589952

franalations.eth (@franalations23)

@wizards_magic Got my two! 🤘🏻

Twitter · Nov 28, 2022, 5:47 PM

Lmao this dude is the trifecta

Nft pfp, Twitter blue, bought 2 of them

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/Mystmin/status/1597192832107696129?t=Yts5dk3rzu8ymUplKu2liA&s=19

Mystmin (@Mystmin)

This is the most powerful deck I have ever ever played, and I was the first to build it. I just reached #1 on the Historic ladder going 93-8. Read about the deck's cards on https://t.co/bvvNm3qE4k

Likes

142

Twitter · Nov 28, 2022, 11:37 AM

this deck is broken

[lusty trench]

Man £2k and he can't even set up a draft with jt

[twilit canyon]

i fought mystmin on my quest to #1 a few rimes

*times

vsing this deck

and he beat me on em

[golden plover]

You'd need $4k minimum to draft it lmao

[languid quest]

£2k for worthless card board

[twilit canyon]

glad i was some of his losses at least lmao i cant imagine being those players who got cleared 2-0

[twilit canyon]

tbf all cardboard is worthless regardless of what is printed on em

[golden plover]

True. These packs cost pennies to print

[languid quest]

profit margin in those is insane

[golden plover]

Easiest millions wotc has ever made

And now they know it'll work again with homelands or legends or whatever

[last glen]

Apparently there are some boxes on resale for upwards of $1500

Don't know how well they're selling on secondary

[golden plover]

This is day 1 tho

What'll be really telling is a few weeks from now

[languid quest]

yeah thanks to 1% of community having voted with they wallets that this is direction that WotC needs to keep

[golden plover]

They'll either sit around and shoot up, or they'll drop to like $100

Opened cards are definitely gonna be no value

Unless they're like P9 or lotus

[languid quest]

oh right I forgot about scalpers

[golden plover]

Your proxy [[Animate Wall]] is gonna be like $0.25 in your $1000 booster's rare slot

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me1/2/animate-wall?utm_source=discord

Animate Wall <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant Wall
Enchanted Wall can attack as though it didn't have defender.

[languid quest]

they are always willing to spend money for chance to make even more money

[golden plover]

Scalpers and Investors are the real target audience

That and Brian Kibler

[languid quest]

and this cycle continues on and on and on

[fallow citrus]

huh cool deck

[granite badge]

yeah, because they didn't understand the ramifications of what they were being told to advertise

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

[granite badge]

it would be like if Konami gave Game Knights the Crystal Beast SD to open

they won't be able to understand why players wanted to open it they'll just go "oh anime nostalgia neato"

[golden plover]

The only people who opened them for the sponsorship were people who didn't know any better

Tbf tho, crystal beast SD is $10

And legal cards

There's a big difference when the sponsorship involves you going "hey viewers, buy these"

It's basically trying to promote a scam, and it's probably why no magic creators wanted in

And so they tricked outsiders into promoting a scam

[lusty trench]

And a set of ashes

[golden plover]

True, the crystal beast SD is actually a good deal

This is just a scam

[torn idol]

I see the MTG 30 is going well lol

[golden plover]

It sold out immediately

[torn idol]

As expected

It was bound to sell out regardless of it being literal proxies

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

Speculators, investors, and nftbros are the target audience and they don't care

It's interesting, even Cr1tikal called it a scam and he's the target audience

Although he's got one of every kaladesh invention. If he wanted a set of alpha, he could buy it

[golden plover]

Huh apparently The Professor was on Phillip DeFranco's show about it too

[torn idol]

That's uh

Strange?

I'd have never thought that would be a thing lol

[last glen]

yeah
I'm told it was a fairly big part of the episode too

[golden plover]

Yup, the majority

[fallow citrus]

explorer anthology 2 got some sauce

[twilit canyon]

was just comin to post these

[copper pecan]

it seems like [[eidolon of the great revel]] is also in

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/128/eidolon-of-the-great-revel?utm_source=discord

Eidolon of the Great Revel <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Whenever a player casts a spell with mana value 3 or less, Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to that player.
Xenagos reveled while Theros burned.
2/2

[copper pecan]

it's listed as being in the next arena cube

[twilit canyon]

alchemy brothers war cards yea

[twilit canyon]

this card feels insane in control decks

[fallow citrus]

ooh

argivian welcome is cool

imagine using that and giving arcane proxy flash

lonely end seems really good too

although idk how prevalent planeswalkers are in alchemy formats

[twilit canyon]

or something like supreme verdict

[fallow citrus]

oh truee

[twilit canyon]

kaito, emperor, lotv are all popular

[fallow citrus]

good card then

[twilit canyon]

all 3 cards seem nutty as hell

[fallow citrus]

they are

[last glen]

apparently my dream Dinosaur deck is fully legal within Arena Explorer

do I spend untold amounts of money trying to get it in Arena

[golden plover]

Probably not unless you really wanna grind or spend like $500

[last glen]

damn for $500 I could buy my deck in paper lol
less than, even

[golden plover]

It might be a bit more or less based on the number of wildcards you'd need

But I'd assume $300-$500 is probably a decent guess

What's the list? I wanna see how many rares are in it

[last glen]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UbWay9-0Z0aQ3ApJf7G-Qw

[golden plover]

Yeah, probably somewhere between $300-$400 on a fresh account

The manabase and creatures are almost exclusively rares

[last glen]

oomfies

[golden plover]

Less if you wanted to try and grind packs, but there's no cheap way to build this in arena

Consider that every rare is an equivalent price in arena, same for mythics

Great for rares/mythics that are $80irl, but terrible for stuff like Ghalta that's like $1

[last glen]

gotcha

so it'd probably be similar price to paper
especially considering the sticker price doesn't include shipping

[golden plover]

Yeah probably

If you've got locals that play pioneer, youd be better off building it in paper

[last glen]

I'll consider it
in truth I don't really have anywhere to play card games in person
outside of the rare con or meetup with friends

[twilit canyon]

arena is probably cheaper than paper

by like

a lot

especially now with gold packs

[golden plover]

Gold packs are only the most recent X standard sets, no?

They wouldn't contain shocks or anything

The majority of this deck's price would be the manabase and creatures

Yeah gold packs are only standard legal rares

That doesn't help for this deck

[twilit canyon]

doesnt matter

you just get the wildcards out of the recent set

with the recent important lands

[golden plover]

I can't see 40 rare WCs being that cheap at all on arena

Especially when none are standard cards

Arena's system also heavily discourages building fun decks as opposed to meta decks

Everything is built around ladder, grinding, and wins

[twilit canyon]

thats not true with gold cards

also the mana base for the dino deck will most likely involve standard cards to pull from atm

[copper pecan]

wouldn't you still need shocks tho

[twilit canyon]

yes

[golden plover]

Yeah the issue is stuff like shocks and pathways

[twilit canyon]

but not as many

painlands are much stronger than pathways in any aggro deck

significantly stronger

[twilit canyon]

yea let me fix this decklist

21 lands is not enough for your curve

ur running some really ass cards too

[fallow citrus]

is allosaurus shepherd not in historic

oh this is pio

nvm

[twilit canyon]

this deck should do a lot better in the current explorer landscape

actually

1 sec

there i swapped some of the overkill enchantment hate for cards that kill sheoldred in 1 hit

[last glen]

damn eight elf not doing well in explorer?

[twilit canyon]

8 elf in a field with so much cheap 1 mana removal is gonna be a tough sell

unless ur payoff is as broken as the nykthos ramp decks its not worth it

also

marauding raptor kills any future elf

meaning they are completely dead dead

your top end of chandra and vivien are also not mandatory cards

you can do embercleave

you can do [[ranger class]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/202/ranger-class?utm_source=discord

Ranger Class <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Ranger Class enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token.
: Level 2
Whenever you attack, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature.
: Level 3
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.

[twilit canyon]

you can do more maindeck removal like obliterating bolts or reckless rage

even [[the akroan war]] is not bad in that slot

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/777/the-akroan-war?utm_source=discord

The Akroan War <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Gain control of target creature for as long as The Akroan War remains on the battlefield.
II — Until your next turn, creatures your opponents control attack each combat if able.
III — Each tapped creature deals damage to itself equal to its power.

[last glen]

I see
thanks for the advice

[twilit canyon]

big thing to consider with dinos is that you are gonna be building a worse version of gruul aggro/midrange

id say realistically

wait till we go back to ixalan or ikoria for more proper dino support

[last glen]

well yeah I'd already known that

if I wanted a proper competitive deck I'd probably build normal gruul midrange or gruul vehicles

instead of some awful Naya dinosaur mash on 21 lands lol

[twilit canyon]

21 lands is really low for that deck

and no

[last glen]

simply don't brick
I have years of experience doing that playing dinos in yu-gi-oh

[twilit canyon]

8 elves arent lands

its not about bricking

cus mtg you dont really "brick" in the traditional sense

[last glen]

it's more about losing tempo because you don't hit your land drops each turn, right?

[twilit canyon]

yep

especially for an aggressive midrange deck

you wanna curve out

have a play on t1 with commune if possible

t2 you want a 2 drop

t3 a 3 drop

t4 a 4 drop

etc etc

marauding captain and drover are good at accelerating you to your t4 or 5 a turn sooner

elves do this too but they are more vulnerable and are completely dead if you control a raptor

[zinc shard]

We are so close to Modern Death and Taxes on Arena

In case these weren't shown

[twilit canyon]

they were mentioned

not shown

ty for the pic

[copper pecan]

god, the sheer amount of copium from people who can't accept that alchemy is more popular than explorer is so funny to me

gee, i wonder why a format whose main reason to exist doesn't matter to the majority of players isn't very popular

it's almost like most of the players don't particularly care about whether or not the format they're playing is playable in paper

[trail anvil]

ngl these new alchemy cards actually make me want to try out historic again

[fallow citrus]

why does explorer exist again

[trail anvil]

because pioneer is a format but it takes a long time to add cards

also because you had enough people complaining about alchemy cards & rebalances ig

[fallow citrus]

so it's pioneer but.. not pioneer?

[last glen]

unironically yes

[fallow citrus]

wild

[last glen]

allegedly someday they'll make it all the way to Pioneer

but apparently Pioneer parity isn't a major interest in the Arena playerbase

[golden plover]

Tbh it'd literally only take like 25 cards

They said it'll take years, but that's because they're adding shit like [[Thought-Knot Seer]] that sees no play

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/9/thought-knot-seer?utm_source=discord

Thought-Knot Seer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manac:292901508943577088>

Creature — Eldrazi
( represents colorless mana.)
When Thought-Knot Seer enters the battlefield, target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it and exile that card.
When Thought-Knot Seer leaves the battlefield, target opponent draws a card.
4/4

[twilit canyon]

they are adding all playable pioneer cards eventually is the goal

thats why its taking a while

also

cus

most of pioneer is already playable on arena

bar a few things

that they arent sure should remain legal

[thorny vine]

frankly after learning more about EDH I actually want to try out the format now
problem is that playing a “casual” format for me personally just feels wrong, and the games seem to last wayyy too long

[waxen timber]

How long it takes depends on the groups you play with. If you and your group have good decks that have wincons, you should be able to get thru games pretty fast

Biggest reason games take forever in EDH is that people don't have wincons so, the whole board ends up in a board stall

[rigid scarab]

The cEDH community is pretty sizeable

But at that point you could argue its just Vintage with extra steps

[thorny vine]

redownloading arena, time to hope that the game won’t crash to oblivion

they laugh at MD’s poor optimization but at least the game’s playable on my device

[glad peak]

cEDH is sort of fun even if it’s just legacy with less beatdown

And delver is fun so don’t play cEDH

[zinc shard]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/secret-lair-transformers-2/

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1047689939011248188/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1047689937673265273/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1047689938050760785/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1047689938541482034/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1047689939439063070/unknown.png

[hidden ermine]

The Transformers swamp reads pretty poorly on first glance

Looks more like a forest

The first of the 3 lairs is also kinda lame

Good value, but idk

[copper pecan]

i like the dark ritual

[lusty trench]

I love the second transformers lair

It's full of 1986 movie references

[zinc shard]

I thought the Dark Ritual looked familiar

not an uncommon pose but still

[golden plover]

Definitely

[sudden lava]

to go with your decepticon and autobot commander decks

[clever sun]

That Dark Ritual is sexy

[hidden ermine]

Well the first was easy to guess

[twilit canyon]

yea black midrange decks and white aggro are the only 2 real standard decks atm

[hidden ermine]

2 mana almost unconditional removal is just always good in standard

I wonder what the best version of it is

[copper pecan]

does soldier tribal run blue at all or is it just white

[twilit canyon]

its mostly mono-white in bo1

splashing blue is better if you have a sideboard

can slot in more counters or removal or side these out for a linear gameplan

[twilit canyon]

its esper

same as its been sincd new capenna dropped

ppl are coping with grixis and its not bad but its not esper

[hidden ermine]

No as in

The best version of the 2 mana almost unconditional removal in black

[lusty trench]

Wait looking through the transformers cards

Did they not give hotrod a card?

Hot, main protagonist of the 1986 movie, rod and he doesn't get a card

[copper pecan]

have y'all heard about the new angle shooting controversy

[hidden ermine]

Which one?

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/Karatedom10/status/1598025815425486849

Dominick Paolercio (@Karatedom10)

Judge Policy and my experience round 6 at NRG Chicago

Read: https://t.co/1HwYPwlG5V

Likes

462

Twitter · Nov 30, 2022, 6:46 PM

personally i think this guy absolutely deserved the loss

even if this somehow wasn't cheating it would still be a really scummy thing to do

"oh you didn't immediately announce the trigger? clearly you must have forgotten about it even though it's still on the stack and hasn't resolved yet"

[hidden ermine]

Wait hold on

He tried to angleshoot

And is complaining that not letting him angleshoot is ... angleshooting?

[copper pecan]

yes

like i said, he absolutely deserved the loss

tbh this kind of thing was what caused me to stop playing competitive yugioh so it boggles my mind seeing people argue in favor of it when it makes the game so much less fun to play

something i like a lot about digital card games is how much harder it is to angle shoot like this

[lusty trench]

This is literally just cheating

I'm amazed this guy is this staunch about this

If it's a mandatory trigger and you're aware of it and don't say anything due to it being bad for you, that's just low, even if in some cases the rules allow it

[hidden ermine]

Tbh I found magics competitive rules to be ... really odd in places

Like how some forms of matchfixing, i.e. intentional draws, are explicitely allowed

[lusty trench]

Maintaining the board state and life totals should be the job of both players

I don't care if you forgot your sheoldred trigger, I'm figuring out if it's rewindable

And if it's not then I'll just take the damage bruh

[copper pecan]

match fixing should be a banworth offense, honestly

it goes completely against the spirit of competitive games

imagine if someone in a sport tried to do that

there's no way people would be okay with it

[lusty trench]

Im still really confused about this cause like even if this guy didn't blitz through his turn, if you're doing this much to avoid 2 damage you're nuts

[hidden ermine]

Yeah thats the thing that perplexes me

Like Ive had several magic players go "oh intentional draws to ensure both players go through are totally ok, there is no way to fix it, etc. etc.." and like

... of course there is?

That shit is banned in every other competition

Its banned in YGO for heavens sake

[languid quest]

it does show how little WotC cares about they game when even Konami cares more about there's

[zinc shard]

what... the fuck

[copper pecan]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[zinc shard]

oh and the Scarab God isnt included, you have to spend at least $200 on secret lair drops to get it

[copper pecan]

wack

[lusty trench]

bonus card is worth more than these three cards combined
Wotc totally doesn't look at the secondary market

[glad peak]

That secret lair is kind of funny tbh

I like it

Also about IDs, even chess allows it so

[lusty trench]

etali primal storm
Share with your friends

yup uh huh totally

[glad peak]

I mean, they’re forcibly sharing with you, so technically not wrong

[last glen]

this is not the dinosaur support I asked for

shit it does look kind of cool
do I get this
I should not

[twilit canyon]

are u building or using these cards in paper?

if not probs skip

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t get it unless you want to frame it up since I kind of like what they did here

[last glen]

the only value for me would be as a cool-looking collectible ye

[lusty trench]

I've decided I don't want any of these, I want the ulamog puppet

[glad peak]

Buy them and tell your kids this was what old cereals were like

And hit them with the “back in my day we didn’t eat as much as you”

[lusty trench]

But

But ceaseless hunger

[fallow citrus]

oh these slap

[lusty trench]

Tfw they're not gonna do a lair with the titans arranged as the shrine of forsaken gods

[fallow citrus]

oh no not again

[lusty trench]

Gross

Is that the last lair drop?

[fallow citrus]

there are a few I just haven't posted them

[lusty trench]

I see

Ty for your service aeri

Is that a damn winds of change reprint in 2023

[lusty trench]

These are unfortunately not for me

[last glen]

Did they not announce pricing for the cereal-themed Lair?

[golden plover]

Man they really are leaning into the double sided lairs

Hopefully the tech is there tho, and these don't all take months

I'm honestly really unsure how they're gonna rule these actually

They're the first double sideds that don't have the rules text on one side

[glad peak]

welp i feel like i'm going insane

i swear i just won a draft with guardian of new benalia and right when i look for it to put into my cube, it's nowhere to be found

[golden plover]

Nobody posted this one yet

This is actually so hard to read

Neat art, but hard AF to read

[lusty trench]

Indie horror RPG scarab god

[zinc shard]

Honestly wanna get a playset of TKS for my Eldrazi and Taxes

[glad peak]

The trick is to not play eldrazi and taxes

Actually though it’s been a while since I’ve heard that name

[zinc shard]

It was the first Modern Deck i ever built, ik it sucks but i don't have the heart to take it apart

(also cant afford another one atm)

[glad peak]

from what i remember regular dnt is better at the moment

havent seen either in a long time though

[twilit canyon]

the rave god

[copper pecan]

ayy, i was wondering when we would get kozilek

[zinc shard]

ive got my fingers crossed we get Eldrazi Temple

[copper pecan]

i'm sure i'll end up seeing kozilek in historic brawl in golos

[lusty trench]

Worth noting the eldrazi lair references emerakul through the bold text

Something like emerakul is coming

Could you imagine if they made emerakul the bonus card just for that

[burnt relic]

arena is finally getting eldrazi? 👀

[copper pecan]

i feel like they're probably not going to bring over emrakul

aeons torn is basically never used for anything other than instant death combos and would also be really obnoxious to deal with in historic brawl because of golos making it super easy to cheat out

and if they're gonna print promised end it's gonna be in shadows remastered

[lusty trench]

I meant in like the secret lair

[copper pecan]

oh

[last glen]

hmm
I wonder if I could find anyone willing to split the Just Add Milk Secret Lair
I just want the dinosaurs

[broken fjord]

Thinking of building Preston stax combo. Seems like a decent deck with a reasonable win condition.

[broken fjord]

Like go half with you for it?

[last glen]

I don't know if half would be the appropriate split, but something like that
we split the cost
someone puts the order in
and then ships the other cards to the other person after they get it

[glad peak]

Gonna be testing out a 4 player 2 color Winston cube today

Seems… odd

Maybe we’ll do a 6 player rotisserie first to see what we come up with

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/coL_Amazonian/status/1598717419287109634?t=_ryJgy_vruqx7jwKJEpuBw&s=19

Amy the Amazonian (@coL_Amazonian)

I am super excited to show off these new cards from Brothers' War Alchemy. Thank you @wizards_magic for this opportunity.

People were asking, "Where's Rusko?" and the answer was RIGHT HERE! Rusko, Clockmaker is building the finest clocks in Kroog.

1/4

Twitter · Dec 2, 2022, 4:35 PM

midnight clock tribal

[broken fjord]

I'm up for that.

[granite badge]

lowkey I think you could maybe make this work in paper since you can make token copies of named cards

[copper pecan]

there is no way you'd be able to fit all of midnight clock's effect text on this card and still give it the second effect

that would be 15 lines of text

[golden plover]

It'd technically be possible, but midnight clock has a ton of text

[zinc shard]

I love this

The other cards

[copper pecan]

raddic seems great for historic brawl

[glad peak]

Ok 4 player roto draft was a success, now to try Winston

[golden plover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MTGOsalseo/status/1598757450890375168

MTGO Salseo (@MTGOsalseo)

Ojo sale el puterio a la luz.
Wotc da marcha atrás.

Twitter · Dec 2, 2022, 7:14 PM

Damn, if this is real, it didn't sell well at all

But it could just be a dude claiming that tho

[copper pecan]

yeah i'd need more verification to believe this

[last glen]

I've seen those rumors

[copper pecan]

it doesn't make much sense to me that they would cut it after 30 minutes if it didn't sell out

that's just way too fast

[golden plover]

Would still be over $2 million if this is accurate tho

[last glen]

those are some wild attempted sale to actual sale ratios

[golden plover]

I don't personally believe they cut it to save face, but previous mythic editions sold out in 5

[last glen]

20% failure to sell in US
near 50% in UK and EU

[golden plover]

The 30th secret lair sold out in 10

[copper pecan]

those didn't cost 1000 dollars though

[golden plover]

So I guess I can see why people are saying they did

[copper pecan]

these have a much smaller target audience

[golden plover]

Yeah but the theory is that they wanted it to look better than it did to speculators

I think they probably did actually sell out, but it's possible they intentionally keep the numbers low for some reason

[copper pecan]

i would be surprised if they made more than a few thousand

[golden plover]

Although the official Singapore site does list number sold for some reason and it listed 0 until it went to "sold out"

Although I imagine that's probably more representative of the Singapore market than anything

[last glen]

they could always repurpose this as a collectible/bonus product for events and such
they probably intended to keep some back for that purpose anyway

[golden plover]

They already did that before

They were giving these away as bonuses at M30 for various tier tickets

And then they gave a bunch away randomly on the last day

I'm pretty inclined to believe these numbers are also just a dude making shit up until we see a better source

But I think this product probably also didn't sell like wotc hoped

[languid quest]

they are very desperate to save face instead of admiting that they were wrong but that's big corporations for you

[golden plover]

Not that it matters, because even these numbers are $2 million for what costs like $100 to produce

The other theory is that maybe they cut it early for the sake of them "finding enough to do a second run" in the future, and I'm more inclined to believe that one

Say "oh we had a few boxes lying around, we'll sell them for $750"

Or go up to $1500 because the first run sold out so fast

[last glen]

the price skimming theory could work

but it's a really uncommon pricing strategy for collectibles

that's normally a thing for products with high upfront costs that you intend to produce more of down the line
like new tech items

[golden plover]

True, who knows

I doubt we'll ever see real sales numbers

[languid quest]

oh there is no doubt that they won't reveal real sales numbers in order to save face and make it seem like 30A was success

[golden plover]

I mean, even if it wasn't what the execs thought it'd do, it was a success

It cost next to nothing to produce

And they'll make millions

[copper pecan]

if they wanted to do a second run they could just print more

this is literally cardboard, it's not expensive to produce

[golden plover]

Yeah they definitely can

[copper pecan]

not gonna lie, this sounds like wishful thinking to me

it would be great if this product did badly but i think it's pretty unlikely that there's some conspiracy to make it look like the product sold better when it's totally possible that it actually did just sell well

[golden plover]

I think it probably did okay, but I think execs wanted it to do better

I mean a free Christmas bonus of a couple millions is probably good no matter what

[twilit canyon]

https://mtgazone.com/explorer-anthology-2/

[rich bronze]

Who's Gwendolyn Di Corci

[glad peak]

The bant or esper legend that steals creatures?

Or am I thinking of someone else

[rich bronze]

The hot one

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/coL_AliasV/status/1598844472686583808?t=ZhUXC7uKsjZKnwCCXllVeg&s=19

Eilidh Lonie (@coL_AliasV)

Brother's War Alchemy will be in @MTG_Arena soon, and some insanely cool cards are coming with it!

Check out my 4 preview cards, courtesy of Wizards! How cool is the art on Forgefire Automaton??

#MTGBro #MTGAlchemy

Twitter · Dec 3, 2022, 1:00 AM

new alchemy cards

automaton seems crazy strong

[copper pecan]

at first i wasn't really sure why penregon besieged didn't just use -1/-1 counters but then i remembered there's a ton of unearth stuff in alchemy right now so the change being perpetual probably will be relevant fairly often

[trail anvil]

motherfucker had the most insane luck I've ever seen in historic brawl

[copper pecan]

and underdog also

[trail anvil]

teferi's protection to prevent them from being gamed, then they topdecked river's rebuke, then they topdecked azor so I couldn't farewell

jesus fucking christ dude

what are the actual chances

river's rebuke seriously needs a ban in this format honestly lmao

[clever sun]

Oh wow the cards revealed for this Alchemy drop has been super strong

[copper pecan]

ye

[clever sun]

She's a Grixis legend

[glad peak]

huh i may have forgotten

anyways i just remember her art being questionable and not looking more into her lol

[zinc shard]

Gix is fun

[lusty trench]

That discard 5 worked out well for you huh

[fallow citrus]

man not having wildcards suuucks

[zinc shard]

*7

[broken fjord]

Discarding with gix to grab top 15 is hilarious. Got a dockside and Jin gitaxias off of that.

[rigid scarab]

2 Set Booster packs and a DMU promo got me this

[last glen]

brain check
are there any cases where you can cast Sorceries during combat

[glad peak]

i mean

[clever sun]

If a sorcery specifies you can

Or a card effect in play says you can

[glad peak]

always but it'll cost another card that can give it flash

[hidden ermine]

It has to be given flash pretty much, yeah

Or, and this effect is much rarer, an instant-speed effect that lets you cast another card

[last glen]

gotcha

[glad peak]

there was a cycle of them iirc with [[rout]] being the most played one

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/101/rout

Rout <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
You may cast Rout as though it had flash if you pay more to cast it. (You may cast it any time you could cast an instant.)
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.
"End this. What I seek is far greater." —Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

[last glen]

trying to see if [[Tail Swipe]] is strictly better than [[Savage Stomp]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/182/tail-swipe

Tail Swipe <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Choose target creature you control and target creature you don't control. If you cast this spell during your main phase, the creature you control gets +1/+1 until end of turn. Then those creatures fight each other. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/427/savage-stomp

Savage Stomp <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
This spell costs less to cast if it targets a Dinosaur you control.
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. Then that creature fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)

[clever sun]

Tail Swipe is different

[last glen]

(all the relevant targets would be dinosaurs so the cost is the same)

[clever sun]

Savage Stomp is a permanent power boost

[last glen]

ahh

that's the difference

[clever sun]

Tail Swipe can be used at instant speed but when used on your own turn it won't boost permanently

They are used for different cases as a result

Tail Swipe is good at cleaning up chump blockers

Stomp is good at beating actual threats

[glad peak]

welp due to popular demand i guess im expanding my 2 color 4 player winston cube into a 2 color 6 player team draft cube

[last glen]

brain check
does "fighting" trigger battle effects like Deathtouch?

[glad peak]

yep

[clever sun]

Yes it does

The creatures fight but it is also not combat

[glad peak]

no idea what a brain check is supposed to mean

[clever sun]

So for the purpose of [[Soul-Scar Mage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/148/soul-scar-mage

Soul-Scar Mage <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Wizard
Prowess
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to a creature an opponent controls, put that many -1/-1 counters on that creature instead.
1/2

[hidden ermine]

It also doesnt let you do trample damage iirc

[clever sun]

A fight spell would deal damage as -1/-1 counters

It does not trample yes

Unless specified

[[Ram Through]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/170/ram-through

Ram Through <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to target creature you don't control. If the creature you control has trample, excess damage is dealt to that creature's controller instead.
"Need a medic! And some stonemasons!" —Wyllon, Drannith merchant

[glad peak]

or, for a funny interaction, [[toralf]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/154/toralf-god-of-fury-toralfs-hammer

Toralf, God of Fury <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls is dealt excess noncombat damage, Toralf deals damage equal to the excess to any target other than that permanent.
5/4

Toralf's Hammer
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ", , Unattach Toralf's Hammer: It deals 3 damage to any target. Return Toralf's Hammer to its owner's hand."
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 as long as it's legendary.
Equip

[clever sun]

Ah yes

You can boost shoot excess Fight spell damage off Toralf

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1049172003950710804/ahggfyid4y3a1.png?width=466&height=662
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1049172493174317136/uxz3g3bqwx3a1.png?width=472&height=662

[golden plover]

What the fuck? 3 mana 5/5 with minimal downside that it turns off???

I know the meme is alchemy designs are really pushed, but JESUS

[twilit canyon]

3 mana 5/5 menace but you need to discard is a very rough downside

if this was in just black this would be broken

[golden plover]

It's not huge, especially considering you get all your discards back when it dies, effectively

[twilit canyon]

but bc its rakdos its probably okay

[golden plover]

It's like [[Bomat Courier]] but really over the top

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/199/bomat-courier

Bomat Courier <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
Whenever Bomat Courier attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Bomat Courier: Put all cards exiled with Bomat Courier into their owners' hands.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

i think it will be strong

but not overbearing

the big thing

is that aggro decks have been sooo bad for a long time

even now

by elspeths command is insane

if only control decks didnt have so much exile removal atm

this card would be insane otherwise

[trail anvil]

back to an old classic

[copper pecan]

i wouldn't call sacrificing itself unless you discard a card a minimal downside

[golden plover]

It draws you however many times you discard

[copper pecan]

okay but what if you don't have anything in your hand that you want to discard

also the drawing only happens if you discard your entire hand to do it

so if it only has like 2 intensity and you have more than 2 cards in your hand you get nothing

[twilit canyon]

dont get me wrong when i say that this card isnt as good as it sounds

its very strong

but it is quite vulnerable

and can be tempo'd out like say

[[rotting regisaur]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/111/rotting-regisaur

Rotting Regisaur <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Dinosaur
At the beginning of your upkeep, discard a card.
"Now, that's a zombie!" —Modriss of Zargoth Fen
7/6

[twilit canyon]

at the cost of losing 2 power and 1 toughness

and the increase of going to 1rb over 2b

it gets menace and the ability to grow its own intensity to maybe edge out the cards discarded to it after it leaves

[twilit canyon]

this "downside" part is worded well

its worded like [[seasoned pyromancer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/123/seasoned-pyromancer

Seasoned Pyromancer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
When Seasoned Pyromancer enters the battlefield, discard two cards, then draw two cards. For each nonland card discarded this way, create a 1/1 red Elemental creature token.
, Exile Seasoned Pyromancer from your graveyard: Create two 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

which means that if you have an empty hand

you can discard and get the cards

[fallow citrus]

elspeth's command is neat

not sure how good it is at 3 mana but I guess it's something to slot into soldiers

[twilit canyon]

its great

but theres so much exile removal from control decks

and this card is great into control decks

or

would have

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8307YQf6rk&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

[last glen]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1599810833424551945?t=5PqUFcYN_l_vUNBoNYiVSA&s=33

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

Important news!

The #MTGPhyrexia First Look will take place on Tuesday, December 13th, at 10am Pacific.

With that change, that means we are previewing #MTGDMR tomorrow at 10am Pacific! WeeklyMTG will feature nearly 100 cards from the set!

Twitter · Dec 5, 2022, 5:00 PM

[zinc shard]

This is the second draft in a row I got Teferi pack 1

[golden plover]

The spoilers never end

[languid quest]

they really need to slow down with new product releases

they push out new product so fast that even Bushiroad could tell them to slow down

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1049394029286142012/jcnveyu6h44a1.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1049394029810425967/lyhib1o7g44a1.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1049394030250836008/rshx597mf44a1.png

piece it together is probably the best implementation of intensity that they've done so far

also assembly seems like it will probably do something crazy at some point in the future

[fallow citrus]

oh cool endures is just bootleg ephemerate

i mean assembly is just sac an arti grab an arti

or enchantment ig

[golden plover]

Dammit, that sick ass art was for an alchemy card

Was hoping it'd be on something in all will be one

[golden plover]

This is just [[Frantic Searching]] or whatever

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/222/frantic-search

Frantic Search <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw two cards, then discard two cards. Untap up to three lands.
It took the banning of temporal manipulation at Tolaria West to teach its students the value of time.

[golden plover]

Not that one, the one from core 2020

[[Frantic Inventory]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/50/frantic-inventory

Frantic Inventory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw a card, then draw cards equal to the number of cards named Frantic Inventory in your graveyard.
"Another village, another angry mob. Why do I even bother unpacking?"

[golden plover]

Actually it's almost exactly a wordier [[Dragon's Approach]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/97/dragons-approach

Dragon's Approach <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Dragon's Approach deals 3 damage to each opponent. You may exile Dragon's Approach and four cards named Dragon's Approach from your graveyard. If you do, search your library for a Dragon creature card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
A deck can have any number of cards named Dragon's Approach.

[golden plover]

So you'd have to copy the 4th copy, or play the 4th on the stack after to get more than 1 extra turn off it

Since it won't increase the ones on the stack

Apparently it might not carry over at all, based on perpetual being copied with cards

[twilit canyon]

its better to loop it with dreadhorde arcanist and saiba syphoner

tawnos endures is a very cool card too

[golden plover]

I wonder if there's something there. I dunno about historic at all, but that theoretically sounds busted

If you can take infinite turns at basically 3 mana

Well not infinite, but 4 extra turns should be enough

[fallow citrus]

flicker deck in alchemy with endures would be neat

although I don't know if there are any mulldrifter etc analogues in it

[golden plover]

You can theoretically make something with unearth come back forever, yeah?

[fallow citrus]

yeah

[golden plover]

I dunno if there's anything there tho

There's not like an unearth value engine iirc

There's what, a token maker and a guy that plays extra lands?

[fallow citrus]

[[phyrexian dragon engine]] kind of is worth bringing back

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/163a/phyrexian-dragon-engine

Phyrexian Dragon Engine <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Dragon
Double strike
When Phyrexian Dragon Engine enters the battlefield from your graveyard, you may discard your hand. If you do, draw three cards.
Unearth
(Melds with Mishra, Claimed by Gix.)
2/2

[golden plover]

Yeah that's probably your best bet

Actually, what happens with that + meld

If you meld it, does that half come back separate?

So what it seems is "it keeps the ability and when the meld pair dies, it comes back as dragon engine without the tawnos ability"

[granite badge]

i love this flavor text lol

[last glen]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/changes-to-country-specific-card-sleeves

no more buying flag sleeves
owners will keep their sleeves and receive a gem reimbursement
they will show up as the default card back to other players

[hidden ermine]

Yeah that ... is fair I suppose

[copper pecan]

understandable

especially given that one of them is russia

[twilit canyon]

it def has a place

[hidden ermine]

Oh hold on

That doesnt exile the spell

Thats interesting

As its worded, does it let you cast a sorcery spell at the start of combat?

[twilit canyon]

yes

jarsyl is actually really nuts

[hidden ermine]

Are there literally any additional combat step spells in standard?

[twilit canyon]

immediately play a 1 mana spell entering com at

*combat

[twilit canyon]

nope

also this cant loop those

once the intensity rises it wont be able to loop

[hidden ermine]

Oh

"Equal"

And its not done via counters so you cant change it

[twilit canyon]

correct

nothing reduces intensity atm when it goes up

but anyhow yeah

jarsyl can helm a gross aggro deck or midrange deck

if you had a 1 drop shitter die, cast it again

if you used a 1 mana removal spell, play it again

next turn do the same for a 2 drop

then for a 3 drop

etc etc

value all the way through

notably

this doesnt increase the intensity of other jarsyls

so if you have an intensity 1 jarsyl and your curve of spells to cast has ended at 3 or so you can just cast the one that isnt spent

[golden plover]

That's gotts be an oversight that it doesn't exile, yeah?

[copper pecan]

why would that be an oversight

[twilit canyon]

no

[copper pecan]

it can't cast the same thing over and over again

[twilit canyon]

it cant ever cast the 1 mana spell again

yea

once its intensity goes up it cant replay 1 mana spells or 2 mana spells

[golden plover]

Oh it's not "or less"

[twilit canyon]

2nd person in this same thread that got got by the text

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25900479

anyways i really like jarsyl

[hidden ermine]

What happens with a clone-type effect

Does it use starting intensity, or the new intensity

[copper pecan]

i think it would be starting intensity?

clones don't copy perpetual changes to stats so i don't see why it would copy perpetual changes to intensity

[twilit canyon]

it only increases intensity if it says so

[[static discharge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/j21/25/static-discharge

Static Discharge <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Starting intensity 3
Static Discharge deals damage equal to its intensity to any target, then perpetually increase the intensity of all cards you own named Static Discharge by 1.

[twilit canyon]

or the new 1 mana spell

[trail anvil]

I don't really understand using intensity over counters for stuff that stays on the field, but it makes sense to me for stuff like piece it together

norn's dissassembly is actually gonna be really huge in historic brawl if you can sacrifice cheap creature tokens

[golden plover]

I mean, Jarsyl is almost exactly [[Mixiz of the Magius]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Mixiz of the Magius”

[golden plover]

[[Mixxiz of the Izmagus]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Mixxiz of the Izmagus”

[golden plover]

Fuck, old Mizzix

[[Mizzix of the Izmagus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/257/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus

Mizzix of the Izmagnus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Wizard
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell with mana value greater than the number of experience counters you have, you get an experience counter.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast for each experience counter you have.
2/2

[golden plover]

Like you could swap Jarsyl to be experience counters and it doesn't change the card at all

Well it changes niche things, but not much

Tbh, that's kinda the case for most intensity cards

[fallow citrus]

as long as you can make artifact creature tokens then yeah

[copper pecan]

it changes anything else that uses experience counters

the way jarsyl currently works doesn't do that

[golden plover]

I mean, if you made them all use experience counters, yeah

But a lot of them could just use a named counter and be functionally the same 99% of the time

Like I said, Piece it Together could be printed into paper if it just counted copies in the graveyard instead and that largely doesn't change the usage

[copper pecan]

okay but that's missing the point of these cards

[golden plover]

Especially since copies don't copy the current intensity

[copper pecan]

they were never going to print these in paper

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm aware. But outside of mostly seek, cards that track whether you started 1st or 2nd, and draft, there's really not much alchemy cards do that has to be done digitally

[copper pecan]

perpetual

hell, most of these cards either can't be done in paper or would be really unfun in paper

[golden plover]

They've gotten a little bit better about it recently, but a lot of perpetual effects feel largely irrelevant

A lot of the original batches of perpetual cards were "give it a perpetual +1/+1 counter" or whatever

Which doesn't really matter all that much

[copper pecan]

also i'm pretty sure piece it together not working with copies is intentional

[golden plover]

New Capenna onwards has been a bit better about it tho

[copper pecan]

they probably don't want you to be able to loop a single copy of it

[golden plover]

Probably, but it removes the design space that had to be digital then

[copper pecan]

no it doesn't?

[golden plover]

If it was "then if you have 3 or more cards named Piece Together, exile them and this card and take an extra turn" like Dragon's Approach, it'd function almost identically in paper

[copper pecan]

having the cards track their intensity individually isn't something you can do in paper

you have to cast them

[golden plover]

Not the intensity no, but the effect is almost the same as Dragon's Approach

[copper pecan]

you can't just have them in your graveyard

that's a huge functional change

if you could just get the extra turn by having this in your graveyard it would probably be too strong

[golden plover]

Yeah there's always niche things like that that wouldn't be 100%

[clever sun]

I believe it is entirely to prevent people from removing counters

or never getting more counters like [[Solemnity

[[Solemnity]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/hou/22/solemnity

Solemnity <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Players can't get counters.
Counters can't be put on artifacts, creatures, enchantments, or lands.
The arrival of the God-Pharaoh marked a betrayal of both gods and mortals.

[clever sun]

This would let you abuse the hell out of the intensity cards

It also prevents them from being sped up by external means like [[Vorinclex Voice of Hunger]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/189/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger

Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample
Whenever you tap a land for mana, add one mana of any type that land produced.
Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that land doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
7/6

[clever sun]

Also Shaman of the Pack is coming in the next Explorer Anthology so Elves will probably be Historic meta

Get ready for Green creature combos

Mutavault is a very strong addition to the format too

https://t.co/QRyo2XNTQm

[copper pecan]

honestly i really hate solemnity

nobody uses it for anything actually fun

it's either a floodgate or a combo piece for something unfun

[clever sun]

I just typed the wrong Vorinclex

oops

Anyhow yeah

[fallow citrus]

I mean that's just stax pieces in a nutshell

[clever sun]

Intensity is a good way to avoid abuse

[fallow citrus]

yeah intensity is cool

[clever sun]

Jarsyl would be way stronger if it required experience counters

Either removing them or being unable to gain more than X amount

You could find an extra turn spell and infinitely loop it that way

It also helps against feelbad moments where your Jarsyl is killed at like Intensity 2

If you cast that same copy again, it starts at Intensity 2 and climbs to 3 afterwards

[fallow citrus]

speaking of extra turns

i've been seeing these food decks surge in popularity recently in modern and they look like a blast ngl

[clever sun]

They suck don't fall for it

[fallow citrus]

sad times

[clever sun]

They can be fun

But they suck

[fallow citrus]

well it's just like any non meta deck I suppose

they can go off and they look fun but suck

[clever sun]

Yeah in a sense

Though other non-meta decks have some more oomf to them that pushes them into relevance

Like having a good match up against a meta deck or two

[fallow citrus]

definitely a deck you can pop off with at an fnm but that's about it

[clever sun]

For example: Merfolk

Merfolk are secretly meta

They dumpster Creativity hard

And Rhinos struggle hard

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah I've seen merfolk pop up more now

[clever sun]

They have a decent match up into 4c Control

And while Murktide is a nightmare at times, you can beat Murktide too

You are really only weak to Rakdos Scam and Hammer

[fallow citrus]

I have a soft spot for that deck because I love mermail and merfolk is fish person the deck so it works out

[clever sun]

Goblins are my favorite tribe as a whole but I do like me some fish

[fallow citrus]

even against hammer you have angles of attack you can work with

[clever sun]

Yes but also no

That match up is brutal

They are way faster than you and have much more kill potential

[fallow citrus]

yeah

you just need to open pure gas and they need to open just okay

you have those cute interactions like shaper vs saga

[clever sun]

Burn can draw-go you into oblivion as well but this is true of Burn against any tempo-ish deck

[fallow citrus]

I think if I were to pick up a modern deck to play seriously it'd probably be rakdos scam