#Magic the Gathering
atomic harness
atomic harness
wow it's christmas already?
twilit canyon
like christmas mornin
twilit canyon
it is
its great in 2 color aggro decks
so
in nothing really atm
besides cope gruul aggro decks
atomic harness
one day
sudden lava
also a huge shame theres no megatron
more apparently are in
so dont count megatron out just yet
zinc shard
the rest of the cards for anyone who can't click the link
twilit canyon
hidden ermine
its just 6 cards and they are posted above
They did say wed get more of them
golden plover
Yeah it's 15
Kinda wish they didn't just use screencaps from the show at least tbh
Makes it look really lazy
golden plover
Wait really?
Damn, that was not a good style choice then
Like I get why they did it, but it makes it look like they just slapped some screen grabs on the cards
Like at least with the arcane cards that are screen grabs, arcane is a pretty show
twilit canyon
Legendary Creature - Angel Artificer
Flying
Whenever she or another legendary creature you control crews a vehicle, that vehicle perpetually gets +1/+0.
golden plover
Man Tiana, Slimefoot, and Niambi all should have gotten cards in the paper set
golden plover
People like Tiana, Slimefoot, and Niambi
twilit canyon
yea so give em good cards
golden plover
Yeah but there's no good paper Niambi if you wanna play her
twilit canyon
good
golden plover
And Slimefoot is fine, but hes a fan favorite
twilit canyon
paper players shouldnt get to enjoy as many cool cards
golden plover
The majority of players are in paper tho
twilit canyon
thats too bad
majority of players will never have the joy of owning 4 goyfs
majority of paper players will never experience the joys of cedh, legacy or vintage
but thats too bad
copper pecan
Man Tiana, Slimefoot, and Niambi all should have gotten cards in the paper set
dominaria has too many characters in it to fit all of them into one set
golden plover
True. But Slimefoot is cool
golden plover
Yee, but Bortuk isn't in the story either. Another, better Slimefoot would have been cool
glad peak
4 regular goyf and 4 future sight goyf
copper pecan
it's not like they cut slimefoot from the set just so they could put them in alchemy
glad peak
all in the shame box
golden plover
Probably not, yeah. But he got a sorcery and didn't show up so it's unfortunate
zinc shard
[[Marwyn, The Nurterer]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever another Elf enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Marwyn, the Nurturer.
: Add an amount of 
equal to Marwyn's power.
Midwife to mothers and leader to all.
1/1
zinc shard
Holy fuck
Play this with that one defender that gives your board haste
make approximately a billion mana
trail anvil
yo dawg I heard you like ramping
twilit canyon
mana
golden plover
Why do the kids on that art look so out of place
Card is probably fine tho. Neat design space, but I dunno what wants it?
I guess elves in historic or whatever don't mind paying 1 more for marwyn when the cieling is a lot of dorks too
twilit canyon
its a mana sink to make more mana
this is probably a super easy 1 of to include in historic elves so u can trigger leaf-crown visionary a bunch of times to draw a ton
also being able to go wide for hoof
twilit canyon
this is probably a super easy 1 of to include in historic elves so u can trigger...
note: not with these guys etb
but for future storm off turns
zinc shard
ayy we got Megatron
languid quest
so they took that approach with Blitzwing who is triple changer
also nice to see Cyclonus as well
twilit canyon
Vodalian Wavemage
1GU
Creature - Merfolk Wizard
3/3
Whenever one or more nontoken creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, choose one of those creatures. Conjure a copy of the chosen creature in your hand.
golden plover
Wew apparently the Warhammer decks are $70 USD each at big box stores
young dirge
good god i just watched some vids about the entire urza lore
how could a man be so machveilan to the extreme
it makes the story just so good
languid quest
he was very much driven by grief and revenge to point that nothing else mattered to him
it was also totally his fault that Phyrexians found Serra's realm
young dirge
i still cant get over the fact that bred a entire race for figthing
that's just warhammer 40k levels wtf
young dirge
it was also totally his fault that Phyrexians found Serra's realm
sadly that worked out in his favor too
twilit canyon
eugenics
urza was the villain but there just so happened to be bigger villains during his time
languid quest
at end she lost everything and let herself to be killed because she had nothing left
young dirge
urza was the villain but there just so happened to be bigger villains during his...
yeah honestly if the phyrexians didnt exist then i would totally see urza immediately becoming that replacement
actually what did urza want to do after he defeated them
twilit canyon
the phyrexians?
young dirge
the phyrexians?
yeah i totally just misspelled there names
languid quest
Phyrexians were also born from tragedy
young dirge
Phyrexians were also born from tragedy
that im not familiar with
what happened
languid quest
event called Fall of Thran happened
Thran were experts in artificing but they were wiped out and they survivors escaped through planar gate to Phyrexia were they ended up becoming Phyrexians
twilit canyon
urza didnt survive the final fight
his severed head and gerrard fired the legacy weapon which destroyed yagmoth and gerrard and the final bits of urza
young dirge
Thran were experts in artificing but they were wiped out and they survivors esca...
zamn
young dirge
urza didnt survive the final fight
yeah i know but was there anything that he wanted to do after the war
twilit canyon
unknown
when he arrived in phyrexia he was fascinated by phyrexia
he had apparently hidden some artifacts to help with the mending but its unknown if he was gonna it at any point
languid quest
in a way he was like kid in candy store when he arrived there
twilit canyon
that reaction is why lord windgrace grew to despise artifice in any form
young dirge
it really makes me wonder what urza wanted
he did all the sutff he did to prepare to fight phyrexia and destroy them
then when he gets there he decides not to
sleek ferry
languid quest
then when he gets there he decides not to
while there was full scale war against Phyrexians going on if I may add with Dominarians fighting desperately for they plane
young dirge
urza is a strange man
twilit canyon
clever sun
Influx Array IS GOOD
zinc shard
when are we getting these cards?
clever sun
Probably this coming Thursday
golden plover
Welp they confirmed there won't be UW printings for the transformers cards
Weird they walked that one back from "we'll make sure smaller drops come with UW printings" (although we still haven't seen the walking dead or street fighter ones)
copper pecan
they specifically said that would only be for secret lairs
they never said it would be for everything smaller than a set
they're not walking back on anything
golden plover
I could have sworn it was "anything smaller than a set"
Either way, it's a weird policy
copper pecan
it's definitely weird but i can see why they did it
there's going to be way more copies of these cards in circulation than there would be of any given secret lair
golden plover
Yeah I guess, but people do like having non-advertisement versions if they like the mechanics
Like people liked the small pool of friends forever characters and it was good to have a variant there that was in-universe
twilit canyon
transformers should be canon to mtg anyways
golden plover
Absolutely not
golden plover
It's not boring, it's more consistency than anything
Like it'd be really weird and jarring if Jon Snow was in the new LoTR show
twilit canyon
no thatd be cool
copper pecan
i'm fine with crossovers if they're not canon
golden plover
Imo they should have brought back deck master as a system and given them all different backs
All MTG cards worked within deck master, but each other release was its own thing
copper pecan
i'm pretty sure they didn't all work within deck master
golden plover
Well all MTG cards are already all deck master cards
Since deck master was intended to include other card games before that idea failed
copper pecan
deck master didn't really mean anything though and also i don't think it would be in wotc's best interest to have a bunch of cards that can't be used for anything
since for all of the universes beyond stuff there aren't enough cards to make a full deck out of
golden plover
They'd still work the same as they do now, just not legal to MTG by default
golden plover
Places could decide if they wanted to do deck master or MTG
Could also allow for full sets within a specific ip
copper pecan
they really shouldn't be arbitrarily excluding cards from formats entirely because of flavor
golden plover
I mean they already exclude based on rarity, year the card was printed, etc
copper pecan
okay but those are actual mechanical reasons
there aren't any formats that are like "only cards set on dominaria" or whatever
golden plover
There used to be, but that's true
We did used to have block standard as a format, but it's been dead for it's a bit now
copper pecan
yeah because nobody played it
golden plover
Well it was the sanctioned variant of standard at the time
It just happened no one played standard
Arena is really the only place standard sees much play
copper pecan
no like
people absolutely hated block constructed
nobody was playing it outside of tournaments because the small card pool meant that there were like 2 or 3 good decks at most
clever sun
Yeah Block SUCKED
You know what doesn't?
Transformers
And I am definitely gonna get these cards
copper pecan
i don't really like transformers but these cards existing doesn't bother me
languid quest
it's neat and harmless like all other Universes Beyond products
glad peak
No magic set made sense early on
The first magic sets were literally random dnd games and references and full on call outs (gasp advertisements) to other things
waxen timber
I wouldn't mind transformers in canon mtg lore. Just not optimus prime or any other pre-established character
sudden lava
Not even Hotshot?
twilit canyon
why hotshot of all transformers
twilit canyon
nostalgia over armada??
atomic harness
Brutal cathar 
(he said gg first then scooped so hopefully this doesnt come off as bm)
just a poorly timed sss
copper pecan
holy fuck it's finally happening
they're reprinting black lotus
oh shit the dual lands are in there too
glad peak
Sadly not tournament legal so they’re glorified proxies
copper pecan
i don't think any reasonable person would object to people using these in commander (for the cards that aren't banned there)
glad peak
No reasonable person objects to using regular proxies in commander
glad peak
Discord presides society
fallow citrus
also the turn you play it you get 2 effects just like urza
also holy shit
the 30th anniversary stuff comes in booster pack form
and it's $999 for 4 boosters
zinc shard
.... $999 for proxies?
tired agate
For randomized packs of proxies.
copper pecan
oh yikes
tired agate
copper pecan
that's dumb
tired agate
Truly, wotc is innovative how much they can milk their whales and investors.
zinc shard
ugh they're gonna sell too
zinc shard
sleek ferry
Yikes
copper pecan
what did he do?
zinc shard
||It's satire, the videos a 9 year anniversary video||
copper pecan
oh
zinc shard
LETS GO
copper pecan
very curious to see if they actually put emrakul in the set
i feel like that would be the largest hurdle for this now that we know they were putting in meld regardless
there isn't anything in arena that works even remotely like emrakul
golden plover
$1000 for the proxies are they fucking nuts?
You can do the same thing easy for like $15
copper pecan
yeah this is so stupid
but at least they have no excuse to not reprint the reserve list now
zinc shard
golden plover
I like that it's not even 1 of each for $1000
Like they're already proxies
It's 4 random packs
zinc shard
yup. you could buy this and get junk
well its all junk cuz its fn proxies but regardless
golden plover
Ya know, this is probably the most representative of the current state of magic their 30th anniversary thing could have been. Randomized seeded packs of cards people actually want, but they're not playable, they're limited time only, and only the absolute most whales will be able to buy them. It's peak WoTC
And unfortunately it's gonna sell out immediately and make them millions. Why cater to people who actually wanna play the game now? Just give the whales shiny cardboard
It's so funny this product seems to have pissed off EVERYONE
twilit canyon
i legit have only seen a couple of ppl upset
its a stupid pricing
but i really havent seen ppl upset
copper pecan
yeah i haven't seen a ton of people upset either
golden plover
I don't think people are pissed I guess, more mocking it
copper pecan
most of the people i have seen upset are those "mtg finance" people and fuck those guys
golden plover
twilit canyon
yea lol
golden plover
Lmao
We are unwilling to reprint Reserved List cards at normal card size regardless of border or back
*unless we can charge $1000 for proxies of them
copper pecan
i don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to use a quote from 5 years ago, from a guy who probably doesn't have the authority to make decisions on something like this, as a gottem
golden plover
Yeah he probably didn't make the decision
It's just funny that 5 years ago, this was a never
And now that it's gonna be ridiculous money for Hasbro, it's on the table
copper pecan
i'm glad it's on the table tbh
fuck the reserve list
all my homies hate the reserve list
golden plover
I mean, this doesn't affect the reserve list in any meaningful way
The only people who can buy these are people who could already buy RL cards
They've printed proxies of the reserve list before in the world championship decks
atomic harness
yikes got flooded 5 games in a row today
copper pecan
the mtg experience
atomic harness
sleek ferry
it does affect reserve list investors which is a good thing
golden plover
Ehh not really. RL card prices don't change because of this kind of thing
Bolt is like $0.75
sleek ferry
remember when what's his name got printed and they wouldn;t even give us a black lotus token for his effect?
golden plover
Alpha Bolt is $500
sleek ferry
that was due to fear of backlash
golden plover
That and they didn't wanna make an official black lotus proxy
Since Garth doesn't make tokens
He casts copies
Which LMAO they made an official black lotus proxy a year later because they can sell it for $1000
copper pecan
it probably doesn't given how these prints aren't tournament legal in the first place
golden plover
Yeah but it's printed at common in what's technically an official MTG pack
So we'll have to see. But I'm hoping not, or it's just instabanned
trail anvil
what I wanna know is who's actually buying this
it doesn't feel like a collector item when you're better off just going for the original cards
golden plover
Mega whales are gonna have it sell out the second it goes online
Whales, investors, and people who open these packs for YouTube
And bots designed to upsell it to those 3 groups
It's unfortunately gonna be one of the best selling MTG products ever probably
trail anvil
so they could shit in a box and it would get hype
golden plover
Yeah pretty much
That might as well be what this is
It costs them the same amount to print this as it does any regular set
So the 400% upcharge is because they know people will buy it
Yo wtf they edited out Mark Poole's signature
They also cropped out Tedrins and Rush's
hidden ermine
Ok thats kinda scummy
golden plover
The whole thing is scummy, but ther's literally no reason to edit out artist names
twilit canyon
Yeah but it's printed at common in what's technically an official MTG pack
not how pauper works
the crops are errors
golden plover
the crops are errors
Nope, all three are intentional
They bragged about the sol ring crop
And the birds isn't a crop, they outright digitally erased his signature
It's not zoomed in or anything, they just brushed over it in Photoshop
Actually for the sol ring, they moved the signature and then cropped it
twilit canyon
golden plover
But that doesn't make sense compared to the DMR one
It's in the same frame
His signature is there
And with the sol ring, they moved the signature completely
It's in a different spot here
strong quartz
I do think these were intentionally done so that it can't be sold as "real"
golden plover
The back is different, as is the text
I can't see a reason other than to take artist credit off cards
golden plover
Yeah, but I was edited out of the art itself
fallow citrus
but it hasn't been taken off the cards
golden plover
Not fully, but there's no reason to edit it off the birds or sol ring arts
It's really weird
fallow citrus
maybe just to make the art look cleaner?
golden plover
I think maybe the black lotus was them putting all of 5 minutes of effort into this and it got cropped out that way
But the other two, they had to intentionally move the signature
fallow citrus
they didn't have to move the sig for the bird
like if you look at the frames they're smaller height wise and larger width wise
fallow citrus
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden plover
It just keeps getting worse
(The artists still had the rights to this art as opposed to the modern commissions)
And they didn't get the rights from the family before doing this
The $250 per pack is to cover their asses in lawsuits
copper pecan
fucked up if true
twilit canyon
(The artists still had the rights to this art as opposed to the modern commissio...
iirc they do not
but its still unethical
twilit canyon
yes for a certain period of time
golden plover
That includes these
twilit canyon
7th ed is the time they made new art to avoid paying royalties
golden plover
Well I dunno if they've changed the contract internally
twilit canyon
point is that contract already expired
sleek ferry
Wouldn’t it be the same as copyright laws and have a finite time before it wasn’t covered under law anymore?
golden plover
But it seems like these should still fall under license
golden plover
Copyright law is way longer than that
twilit canyon
unless wotc messed up somewhere
copper pecan
i can't imagine they didn't have the legal team look at this stuff before making this product, given what's in it
twilit canyon
it isnt the same as copyright but its similar
in that they very likely dont have legal grounds to push this
since that art was already sold to wotc
and since they didnt ever renew with the artist or family then the license is gone
so they have no grounds
golden plover
Licensing works on a print by print basis
twilit canyon
sure
golden plover
They'd have to renew the license every time they printed the art again
golden plover
Well it depends on the contract
Quinton's son said there that they were approached to sell last time but didn't get a fair rate
So the artwork seems to have not been sold
twilit canyon
oh so then their license expired
golden plover
Iirc this has come up with stasis prior
twilit canyon
again then the issue then just becomes that this isnt really illegal of wotc to do but rather just scummy
golden plover
Since the artist for stasis licensed one of her paintings to her nephew to use
It could very well be illegal based on the contract
Depends on the specifics of what the contract Hoover was offered in 1993 was
twilit canyon
unlikely it was a good deal made with the artist in mind
golden plover
Yeah, but it's entirely possible the contract wouldn't allow this either. So it depends on the specifics as to whether or not this is legal
twilit canyon
given that hasbro and wotc are such a big corporation they probably understood they can do this
golden plover
I'm sure they can win a legal battle should one come up
Either way, this is scummy and possibly illegal
copper pecan
i think the fact that they used it in the first place indicates that they probably do have the rights to use it. i doubt they'd want to risk a law suit for something like this when they could easily avoid it
golden plover
It just all comes down to Hoover's contract in 93
copper pecan
they're not stupid
twilit canyon
yea for this to be super serious of a case u would need wotc to be comic book-villain levels of stupid and malicious
golden plover
I mean this set is comic book level greed if nothing else
Could be they didn't consult thoroughly or got contracts mixed up, but it depends on if his son has a case or not
I find it hard to believe they'd forget to license a piece of art for a $1000 set, but I also don't see why the son would bring up them trying to buy it at a poor rate prior if they owned the rights
Meekstone has used an alternate art for all printings since the Championship Decks (the last time they did this proxy thing)
So maybe they didn't have the license to this one individual piece
It's possible what it is that their contract says they have the rights to use the art in context of "Beta" so they're considering this a reprint of Beta
young dirge
ok this may sound stupid but are the brother war cards and the warhammer cards only playable in commander
twilit canyon
no
brothers war is going into standard
40k is gonna be playable in legacy, vintage and commander
golden plover
The transformers cards in brothers war are only going to commander (and legacy and vintage)
young dirge
damn at least legacy aint so different from modern
young dirge
brothers war is going into standard
so like after a few years do these just go to legacy too
twilit canyon
they are always in legacy
young dirge
oh
golden plover
Every card is legal in legacy by default
twilit canyon
when they get printed they automatically become vintage and legacy playable
golden plover
Well except uncards and banned cards
But everything goes straight to any older formats it'd be legal in
So the brothers war stuff will also be modern, pioneer, and Pauper (if common) legal
young dirge
shame if i may
why arent they in modern
twilit canyon
40k stuff bc they deemed it too strong to include stuff in there in modern
transformers cards same deal
golden plover
It's not necessarily too strong, moreso just UB was designed to only be eternal format legal
(Except for the LoTR stuff)
twilit canyon
they can always make exceptions
young dirge
well have there been any cross over cards allowed into modern
twilit canyon
they deemed cards here too good or too potentially impactful for modern
golden plover
Yeah all of this can change at any given point randomly
twilit canyon
the lord of the rings set next year will be modern and up
golden plover
The Lord of the Rings ones will be modern legal
young dirge
the lord of the rings set next year will be modern and up
i didnt even know theres going to be a lotr
twilit canyon
there are crossover cards u can play in modern though
young dirge
set
twilit canyon
some of the 40k commander stuff has cards printed that are 40k themed reprints that have modern-legal variants
young dirge
some of the 40k commander stuff has cards printed that are 40k themed reprints t...
well that sounds nice at least
golden plover
Technically also all the DND cards
golden plover
DnD is a different universe. It counts as a crossover
golden plover
Peppa Pig isn't a crossover then
twilit canyon
this fucker combos with devoted druid
i want devoted druid on arena literally now
zinc shard
[[Juggernaut]]
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twilit canyon
this is kinda funny though yea
strong etb discard
on a body at least
but it then leaves u a fat problem down the line
copper pecan
who the fuck is reezug and why does he look like that
twilit canyon
hes a man
trail anvil
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/xvyarm/the_30th_edition_announcement_page_has_been @twilit canyon @golden plover kek fuckin w
Still active as of 8:16PM Pacific on Oct 4. Text now reads
>> Thank you, Wizards of the Coast for making it clear that after 30 years the only Magic: the Gathering fans that matter are those with money.
>> Promos used to celebrate the fans and players but today they celebrate the shareholder. Priced to maximize profit instead of enjoyment, this is the future that we look forwards to as fans.
>> Wizards of the Coast Official Suggestions for Celebrating 30 Anniversary if you don't have $1000 to toss around: no results found
>>Do Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast see fans and players as anything more than a towel of cash to wring as much money out of?
im so unsure as to why ppl are so shocked that a corporation is willing to exploit whatever and whoever they can for money
Promos used to celebrate the fans and players but today they celebrate the shareholder. Priced to maximize profit instead of enjoyment, this is the future that we look forwards to as fans.
this has always been true and how its always functioned
Wizards of the Coast Official Suggestions for Celebrating 30 Anniversary if you don't have $1000 to toss around: no results found
yea they want ur money is that so hard to grasp
Thank you, Wizards of the Coast for making it clear that after 30 years the only Magic: the Gathering fans that matter are those with money.
yea. this was always the case they literally invented the reserved list to appease the fans with money
Do Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast see fans and players as anything more than a towel of cash to wring as much money out of?
no. they never have and never will under capitalism. is this really so shocking?
like its fun to poke fun at the 1k price tag and be upset about it but why is this news
why is this shocking
atomic harness
@twilit canyon how expensive is RDW in standard? The ones with like kumano faces and whatnot
atomic harness
yay
golden plover
I dunno, I think it's pretty egregious to only market your 30th anniversary product to super whales and no one else, and also just make it pretty underwhelming
Wotc has been cutting corners and hurting the game's quality a lot these past couple years, and this is probably the biggest example of that
There's not even a 30th anniversary product for "regular players". The lair (which looks like it's a bonus card from each lair recently that would have been too much value) is gonna have the same issue as the war of the spark mythic edition stuff, in that it'll be bought out by bots on sight (they're limited order)
And this was the big focus of their 30th anniversary stream. Comes off as not caring about regular players, only those that'll shell out 1000s
Like yeah, WoTC wants to make money. But it's cartoonishly evil and really hurts their goodwill
At the end of the day though, it's because WoTC is the only thing keeping Hasbro afloat rn, so they'll milk Magic until the bubble crashes
twilit canyon
<@480437470870110209> how expensive is RDW in standard? The ones with like kuman...
fair bit but can be decently affordable
atomic harness
Yeah I kinda wanna try it im ngl
twilit canyon
if u wanna play mono red ur better off in alchemy
cus standard doesnt has a clean maindeckable way to beat sheoldred besides 2 for 1ing yourself
meathook doesnt gain life in alchemy too
and you have better 1 drops and 2 drops
alchemy mono-white looking buffed but also i wish this was a soldier
@trail anvil for ur filthy azorius control needs
hidden ermine
Wait, whats a boon
twilit canyon
boon is what they decided should be emblems for non-walkers
stuff that triggers just once for the next thing u do that the card specifies
vesuvan mist is sick
trove mage is unfort too expensive to see play in historic but might also be too awkward at the same mana value as urza
neat
kind of a solid aggro 2 drop in general
historic madness will appreciate this
also alchemy can def build around this
storm time???
arvad is kinda sick 2 drop ngl
@trail anvil they really want u to play alchemy/historic
they gave us thalias lieutenant for all tribes wtf
and the rebalances
all of it is new capenna stuff which is a shame
copper pecan
arvad seems really strong for historic brawl
waxen timber
Civil servant I think they made worse cause trample on 3 power doesn't mean shit while taking away lifelink
copper pecan
the nerfed cards that rotated out are now unnerfed
finally i can stop seeing people complain about this not happening
waxen timber
Same with Metropolis Angel. Making it cost 1 more mana while just bumping up it's stats a smidge makes it even more unplayable
Like why make cards that don't see play worse
clever sun
It's for limited
copper pecan
pretty wild that they didn't nerf inspiring overseer for limited
trail anvil
<@166336091941634048> they really want u to play alchemy/historic
they can keep trying tbh
zinc shard
golden plover
https://twitter.com/VorthosMike/status/1577393128633516034?s=20&t=J6xzIqvbJfcIUk...
Confirmed they didn't contact the artists at all
Jeff Menges had no clue this was happening and doesn't seem to be set to recieve royalties on his art
Mark Tedin also said that he didn't know this was happening
trail anvil
oh boy
golden plover
Also Rush's daughter has mentioned that he owned the rights to all his art up until his death, when the contract changed
So it'd seem that the contract was that all the artists back then owned the rights and that wotc paid royalties per printing of the art
It also explains why they do stuff like change the counterspell or the power 9 in vintage on MTGO
Individual artists might have different contracts tho
Wotc might have gone ahead even though the art was in legal limbo because they know they can afford lawyers forever and just keep the artists and their families jumping through hoops until they settle
atomic harness
if u wanna play mono red ur better off in alchemy
oh wild
Does meathook only burn in alchemy?
golden plover
Oh god, I just realized something fucky. UB Assassin's Creed has a very high chance of giving us cards based on real people
Like we'll probably get a George Washington or Leonardo da Vinci card
Actually, if they do 2, which is the most likely, there's almost a 100% chance we get a Da Vinci card
fallow citrus
they're definitely going to make a hidden blade equipment
golden plover
For sure. And Da Vinci designed the hidden blade
That's gonna be really weird having cards in the game based on real people
Unironically it'd be one of the few LGBT characters that actually have cards too
clever sun
Apparently the official MtG official discord had to put up an announcement warning users not to send WotC employees death threats over the recent Magic 30 packs
trail anvil
jesus dude wtf
just don't buy the product, chances are this is hasbro's money driven decision anyways
copper pecan
honestly i'd rather they have stuff like this be the collectors' items than have cards you actually need to play the game be super expensive
twilit canyon
brian kibler mentioned that too
better it be something thats not essential for play at all
and yea i saw the announcement made
death threats to a lot of wotc employees on the discord itself
ton of ppl being hostile to players just hanging out
it was a mess
atomic harness
the slow climb begins
I think I'll only go for dia this time around since persona is coming up soon
twilit canyon
i find getting to diamond will often incidentally leave u in mythic anyways
zinc shard
golden plover
I just remembered I've got a proxy black lotus. I should take it to the card shop tonight and see if anyone wants to cut out the middleman and give me $1k for it
golden plover
Exactly. It even has the regular card back, so it's clearly worth more than the wotc ones
glad peak
Depends on how sentimental they are about magic’s 30th
zinc shard
start high, end high
copper pecan
goblin influx array is such a fun card
i was a bit skeptical about how the whole "conjure a random card from the spellbook" thing would play but it's actually really fun
the secret is to just have the cards in the spellbook be roughly the same power level, i guess
twilit canyon
yea that card is very strong
twilit canyon
oracle is gas actually
ghitu embercoiler actually is nuts
discard a 3 drop to automatically find jaya
discard moxen to draw real cards
clever sun
Sick
I'm trying out Jund/Non-Blue Dragons in Alchemy
Seems solid
Also
Crokeyz rant about Alchemy is so on point overall
twilit canyon
golden plover
Hmm should I be running the progenitus guy in Elsha?
atomic harness
Oh no how sad, anyway
twilit canyon
btw ren crokeyz posted an esper aggro list for standard that performed well on youtube finally
twilit canyon
twilit canyon
dennick is slowly becoming insane this standard lol
twilit canyon
im considering him a bit in alchemy esper too tbh cus hes nice to discard to diviner of fates and raffine
have also considered the meme of running him + the new reezug to lock graveyards near permanently lol
atomic harness
Whats the new reezug?
twilit canyon
reezug is a 2 drop from dmu alchemy
1/3 for 1b
tap to make target creature in ur gy an artifact and you may cast it this turn
atomic harness
twilit canyon
it loses all other types so dennick would become a 2 mana artifact with that same text box
no longer a creature gl removing it outside of red
atomic harness
lmaooo
twilit canyon
highly considering it in general bc yea having something like diviner or sheoldred being immune to creature removal sounds like gas
atomic harness
sounds pog
what do you think of trespasser mained, shes been carrying too
conflicts w dennick ofc but they dont normally show up together
usually dennick eats it before I get to drop her
dude went neg 10 billion here
twilit canyon
i like trespassers but not in the main in standard
in alchemy yes bc u wanna max out on tasha -2 value
give opponents less of a choice when going -2
atomic harness
[[tasha]]
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twilit canyon
[[tasha unholy archmage]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Tasha
+1: Until your next turn, whenever a creature attacks you or Tasha, Unholy Archmage, put a -1/-1 counter on that creature.
−2: Target opponent puts a creature card of their choice from their graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. That creature gains ward 
.
−6: Target opponent reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal three creature cards. Put those cards onto the battlefield under your control. That player puts the rest into their graveyard.
Loyalty: 4
atomic harness
Nyaruhodo
Oh is ertai actually real? I remember you saying he was balls
from what ive seen of him hes also very balls
twilit canyon
he is but crokeyz wanted a 5th interceptor
ertai does fit that
oh also toluz is actually nuts
guardian + toluz is a combo
twilit canyon
yea exactly lol
atomic harness
Id try this but no rare wcs unfort 
twilit canyon
toluz is the best body to throw on board on t3 tbh
at least vs midrange mirrors
makes lili + or - bad vs u
atomic harness
that's v true I haven't even considered that
twilit canyon
if they go -2 on their t3 you play toluz and their future +1s are bad
if they play lili into your t3 toluz they need to -2 and they -1 themselves
twilit canyon
improve on those lands for sure besides that looks solid
atomic harness
oh any suggestions on the lands
atomic harness
gotcha, thanks
atomic harness
golden plover
Glad these were the Godzilla treatment
Looks like it's no value in them at all from a reprint standpoint tho. Like it's $50 of cards between all 4
twilit canyon
no tau cards
glad peak
Oh no not more najeela players
What was the blood bowl
I thought warhammer was grimderp not just derp
golden plover
Bloodbowl is a Warhammer football spin-off
twilit canyon
in the grimdark future of the 41st century, john madden football is still playing
and the browns are losing in even more atrocious ways
golden plover
Is [[Impact Tremors]] the only version of it's effect?
golden plover
I'm toying with Yoshimaru/Rogarkh combo and it's the only one I can find
hidden ermine
[[Purphoros god of the forge]]
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red is less than five, Purphoros isn't a creature.
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, Purphoros deals 2 damage to each opponent.
: Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.
6/5
golden plover
I guess Purpohoros would work too
He's too expensive to get the t3 table kill tho
But that's not always gonna happen anyways
There's also a t2 kill, but it's only for a single opponent
Play both commanders t1, cloudstone curio on t2 with any 0 mana kobold in hand
golden plover
That's another option. I'm gonna just run good Boros equipment stuff as the backup plan
hidden ermine
golden plover
But there's plenty of fast mana and tutors that guarantee I can kill the table t2
Infinitely large dog time
golden plover
Looks like stickers do, in fact, damage the card
They said it wouldn't regardless of whether or not the card is sleeved
Oh and Space Beleren is printed with an acorn sticker
twilit canyon
laaaaame
golden plover
He's still eternal legal, maybe (although this honestly fits better)
Just seems to be QC fucking up
twilit canyon
oh okay good
golden plover
So there's likely other cards printed the same way with and without the correct stamps
Which is gonna be fun explaining to someone that their animate graveyard or whatever isn't legal despite the stamps being fucked up
But damn, they had literally one thing they had to get right
copper pecan
Looks like stickers do, in fact, damage the card
according to the reddit post this is from it seems like this is mostly just happening to etched foils
golden plover
It shouldn't happen at all tho. They constantly said it wouldn't.
copper pecan
yeah this isn't an acceptable mistake for them to make
golden plover
Especially considering stickers are legal and every other set since commander legends has had etched foils
Going 0/2 on Quality Control from Unfinity it seems. But that's Hasbro for ya
sudden lava
Looks like stickers do, in fact, damage the card
that poor swarmlord
waxen timber
Wow, that jace looks cool
zinc shard
damn, was hoping stores would have em at 40
zinc shard
damn
clever sun
Kethis is back in Historic
I'll be back to continuing to play Dragons in a bit but this deck is so fucking sick
golden plover
Apparently they are way underprinted
Yup. A lot of stores had to cancel orders
Get ready for any playable cards to end up being mega pricey
hidden ermine
I just wanted the Necron deck man 
Surely theyll print more
Since its money theyre leaving on the table
golden plover
You'd think that
But when have they ever reprinted to demand
Outside of like... Jumpstart?
golden plover
Dont say this isn't a "real" wheel of fortune. That's gatekeeping
clever sun
relic of legends sounds bonkers with kethis
And kinan
Doubles the mana to let you play out your shit. Reezug is further insurance.
Also Historic has some VERY fun combo decks atm
zinc shard
BRUH
golden plover
Yup...
WoTC Quality Control is at it again
Although this one is an outright lie, since they said stickers wouldn't do that, even if unsleeved
clever sun
Another new addition to combo in Historic
Oracle of the Alpha adds more free spells for Song of Creation combo
Oh I should remove the Tendrils
So that Settle always finds Song
Pretend it's two Grapeshots
Another one
Benthic Biomancer + Alchemy's buffed Wizard Class will draw your entire deck
You can then either Fling the Biomancer or Jace
Tried and true Dragonstorm
And the classic Tainted Pact
All of these are a lot of fun and healthy combo decks overall
Goblins excluded for being STINKY
(They are actually a bit too much)
golden plover
Speaking of stickers and (maybe) lying about them: Weren't we supposed to have some app that would randomize your sticker sheets?
I remember them mentioning that a few times
clever sun
The companion app?
Also I don't really care I was never putting a sticker on a valuable card no matter what WotC said
golden plover
Also I don't really care I was never putting a sticker on a valuable card no mat...
I mean, that's obvious. But they outright lied by saying there was no chance of the stickers getting on even unsleeved cards
clever sun
I don't particularly care
golden plover
Tbh it was really obvious the stickers were gonna damage cards, they're fucking stickers. But they really shouldn't have lied about it
lapis viper
oh okay good
Man Im sad at this blood bowl secret lair
The cards are just reskins which is like
Fine I guess
twilit canyon
the ball
lapis viper
But they're kinda bad
twilit canyon
only fellwar stone is good
lapis viper
But
twilit canyon
iirc
twilit canyon
fellwar is 1 of the best mana rocks ever
lapis viper
I love blood bowl
twilit canyon
no
golden plover
Approach is playable in a few formats
twilit canyon
this is the 1st foil print of fellwar stone
golden plover
But it's never used for anything fair. It's a combo piece only
fallow citrus
I'd say being a combo finisher is pretty fair
golden plover
Definitely, I meant it in the sense of "no one plays it and then waits 7 turns, plays it again"
Approach isn't an unhealthy card at all
lusty trench
Finally making my dragon tribal deck
viral marsh
Does the mtg app in which you play online and stuff have a commander setting?
sleek ferry
I hope brothers war has some goblins
I really want to make Gruul goblins in standard
Building anything with white is so expensive right now in standard
glad peak
Inb4 rakdos goblins
copper pecan
i'm so glad that goblin tribal is shaping up to be an actual deck in alchemy
at least it's good somewhere
glad peak
It’s fine in modern
sleek ferry
I just hate how they gave elves exactly what they needed post rotation lol
Hopefully the same doesn’t happen to goblins
Soldier tribal is kinda real in standard right now
But that’s mainly due to a lot of the white op creatures being soldiers
lusty trench
My partner in unset draft kept rolling sixes for comet's ability
twilit canyon
i'm so glad that goblin tribal is shaping up to be an actual deck in alchemy
goblins are 1 of the best historic decks atm
sleek ferry
Either ways at this point I’m saving up my wild cards
I’m down to 5 mythic and 4 rare wildcards
glad peak
I’m more concerned about merfolk in the next few years
They’re pretty much guaranteed to be getting back to back to back support
viral marsh
mtga? mtgo? spelltable? cockatrice?
Mtg arena
golden plover
Arena doesn't have commander, no
It's got brawl, which is 1v1 with a much more limited cardpool and the digital only cards in it though
clever sun
Oh this is sweet
This is so fucking sweet
Hullbreaker Horror and two Moxen is infinite mana of the two colors
With Saiba Syphoner it is also then infinite of a spell
The most obvious spell is Time Walk
Infinite turns and infinite removal of all blockers too
sleek ferry
Hullbreaker horror is such a fun card
golden plover
trail anvil
is there a bug where someone drops kumano faces kakkuzan and it crashes your client?
I lost a game cause of that shit lmao
broken fjord
Man, trying to find a decent place to sell my cards is a pain. MTG doesn't have a decent marketplace sub like YGO I guess.
lusty trench
So now that dominaria United has been out a while what's peoples thoughts on it
golden plover
It's got a good limited and some solid cards overall
No clue about like standard or anything tho
trail anvil
it supported black a little too much when they were already good post rotation, but otherwise it's a pretty nice set for standard imo
golden plover
Holy shit, I just realized that come November, it'll have been a year on the coin flip lair
Bonus card better be a mana crypt or something at this point because that's actually ridiculous
lusty trench
They still not sent those out???
golden plover
Nope
Got my 2 neo collectors boosters a few months back, had all of nothing in them
lusty trench
My friend got the dragon secret lair earlier yesterday so it's definitely not the size of the product causing issues
golden plover
But the coin flip lair hasn't been shipped yet
Doesn't the dragon lair also come with a deck box and sleeves?
lusty trench
Yeah
golden plover
So it's not that that's the issue
lusty trench
The deckbox is fucking huge btw
golden plover
All I can think of is the coin maybe?
At this point, they need to just cut the fucking coin and ship them
lusty trench
All I can think of is the coin maybe?
Remember the dragon lair had a dragon shaped life counter so I doubt that's the issue either
lusty trench
Yeah
golden plover
So wotc just can't print a single 100 card deck in a year?
lusty trench
golden plover
Despite having like 20 other lairs, multiple sets, commander decks, etc in that time frame
lusty trench
Apparently not
golden plover
Oh yeah, that's way higher quality than the coin is even gonna be
The coin is one of those oversized plastic pokemon ones
lusty trench
I would not be surprised if wotc starts canceling orders for it tbh
golden plover
I want my fucking money back at this point, honestly
Like this was $100 I spent a year ago and I've heard nothing beyond "here's 2 random collectors boosters we're gonna offload on you"
lusty trench
Also after seeing the dragon secret lair in person, it's absolutely beautiful and if I got it I'd never remove the cards for it
lusty trench
Like this was $100 I spent a year ago and I've heard nothing beyond "here's 2 ra...
That's perfectly fair tbh
The dragon secret lair cards are attached to this plastic foldable thing that tells a story of someone conquering the dragons pair by pair till they reach tiamat, and behind her is the bonus card: dragons hoard
It's super neat
golden plover
I heard the lair was really pretty, but limited print runs kill any chance of me wanting to spend money for that kinda stuff
lusty trench
It sold out pretty much instantly iirc
golden plover
Same thing for the M30 lair since scalpers are gonna ruin that one having any chance
golden plover
It sold out pretty much instantly iirc
Yup, scalpers always do that
But yeah, I kinda want a refund on the $100 wotc took from me 11 months ago
lusty trench
After playing unfinity draft... The set is way too tame imo
golden plover
Yeah that's what I've been hearing tbh
lusty trench
It's just usually "here's a thing we'd like to do in the actual game but doesn't work due to ruling issues"
golden plover
They wanted to work all the different stuff into the set, so it stops feeling like an unset
lusty trench
The most wacky card in it is form of the approach of the second sun
golden plover
I drafted Unstable recently (online so certain cards didn't work) but it's unironically vastly different
That and Quality Control issues all over the set really makes it feel like a huge miss
lusty trench
The most wacky card in it is form of the approach of the second sun
Unfortunately I drafted it but not only have balancing issues but my head is not shaped for balancing cards at all
golden plover
lusty trench
Yikes
golden plover
Like this is constantly happening
Also, they straight up lied about the stickers
They damage etched foil
lusty trench
I wouldn't trust them around any card tbh
All it takes is one particularly sticky sticker
golden plover
They kept going "well we constantly tested it and the stickers don't damage cards, sleeved or unsleeved"
They really fucked up unfinity tbh, which sucks, becasuse regular unsets were pretty fun
lusty trench
At least the lands are absolutely gorgeous ig
golden plover
True, that's the only upside tbh
lusty trench
And comet, don't forget comet, card is a lot of fun and I've seen my partner manipulate rolls so they constantly roll 6s
golden plover
Wait dont the Warhammer commander decks have all foil variants? They can print that but they can't do the 50 foils in the secret lair
Oh true, comet is really fun
lusty trench
Wait dont the Warhammer commander decks have all foil variants? They can print t...
There's issues with those I've heard
Someone opened a collector's edition and not received lands in it but doubles of other cards
golden plover
I mean the decks come pringled
Also, the regular temur and Esper ones are both constantly missing cards
lusty trench
Others have received collector's edition decks in the standard box
golden plover
I think that's happened with the mono black one too
lusty trench
Also, the regular temur and Esper ones are both constantly missing cards
Our shipment had one of the rares in each of those decks come in the token packet
golden plover
Love that they're pushing all this shit and Quality Control just keeps getting worse
golden plover
Our shipment had one of the rares in each of those decks come in the token packe...
They made a note of that because it's happening a lot yeah
The Esper one has like a 50% chance for the rares to be in the token slot
lusty trench
Thankfully I noticed cause I usually forget about the token packet
golden plover
Not counting the times where it's outright missing cards, or has dupes instead
lusty trench
Iirc I had dupes in my animatou deck back in the day... That was really odd for a younger me to experience
golden plover
That's happened here and there, but from like 2018-2021 this wasn't an issue at all
lusty trench
Only the non legendaries so no dupe yuriko sadly
golden plover
Then suddenly this year it's been an issue for like 75% of commander decks
languid quest
I wish 40k Commander precons were cheaper than those are since cheapest ones I have seen are 67€
golden plover
Yeah, they also keep adding another $10 because no MSRP
lusty trench
To put a positive spin on this though, the 40k decks are super fun out of the box and especially vs each other
golden plover
Pre-New Capenna the precons were $40
lusty trench
I wish that they had this level of care in all the decks they released
lusty trench
We got our precons for £42 each for standard edition cause we pre-ordered early
golden plover
I miss the $20 ones. That was the best price for these tbh
Also, all 4 of the $20 ones were genuinely pretty good
languid quest
I follow Professor's advice of not paying mark up
golden plover
Lathril is the most popular elf commander and it came with a lot of good reprints, The guy you replace with Brago is cool
The rogue deck was nice, and the Naya one wasn't bad
lusty trench
The simic one I remember being super good out the box so I've heard
languid quest
New Capenna ones do seem nice
lusty trench
I hope they give some nice reprints for brothers wars commander decks
golden plover
Iirc weren't the new Capenna decks all sorta super lackluster?
lusty trench
If you get a non Warhammer deck i'd probably say get the orzhov baulders gate decks
lusty trench
Iirc weren't the new Capenna decks all sorta super lackluster?
All but esper yeah
golden plover
But yeah, Brothers War seems exciting. I like that they're all old border too
Although I wish they'd use the creature border for old bordered colored artifacts
Like [[Baleful Strix]] just uses the artifact frame
languid quest
from DnD ones I am interested from both dragon themed ones
lusty trench
I'm hoping for an urzas incubator reprint but... I'm not hopeful
lusty trench
from DnD ones I am interested from both dragon themed ones
Get the og DND set dragon deck out of those two
golden plover
It'd be really funny if the Mishra one has [[Gonti's Aether Heart]] in it
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Legendary Artifact
Whenever Gonti's Aether Heart or another artifact enters the battlefield under your control, you get 
(two energy counters).
Pay , Exile Gonti's Aether Heart: Take an extra turn after this one.
Despite the magic that sustains Gonti's life, the crime lord is often described as heartless.
golden plover
Since Mishra goes infinite with this
lusty trench
Urzas incubator or reprints of the mh1 cards would be amazing but it's not happening
golden plover
People are trying to buy it out so it'd be hilarious if it's in the deck
golden plover
Urzas incubator or reprints of the mh1 cards would be amazing but it's not happe...
Nah, precons can't have too much value now
lusty trench
Unless they're new cards ig
golden plover
Even then it's hit or miss
languid quest
value in precons seems to be more spread out so no more 1 or 2 major reprints in those
golden plover
Urza's Incubator is a $50 card. They can't throw that in there AND put other good cards in the set
They'd go broke
You'll get [[Urza's Armor]] and you'll like it
lusty trench
Last print on urzas incubator was... I want to say c17?
golden plover
Last print on urzas incubator was... I want to say c17?
2015
lusty trench
Wasn't it in dragons descent?
golden plover
Got an anthology print
So that doesn't count because those were $300 products out the gate
And they're $500 now
golden plover
Wasn't it in dragons descent?
It wasn't
That one got [[Ugin the Spirit Dragon]] so can't have too many $50 cards
lusty trench
Ah i see, my bad
languid quest
[[urza's incubator]]
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Artifact
As Urza's Incubator enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Creature spells of the chosen type cost less to cast.
"Stop thinking like an artificer, Urza, and start thinking like a father!" —Rayne, chancellor of the Tolarian Academy
languid quest
oh yeah that card
lusty trench
While I need incubator for my dragons I'm also fighting for deck slots so I don't need to pick it up any time soon thankfully
golden plover
They put the cycle that reduce 1 colored mana from their two colors in the artifact slots instead
languid quest
super good in tribal deck so no wonder Jotlico thought it might had been in Dragons Descent
golden plover
It honestly should have been, would make sense there
But again, precons can't have too much value now
lusty trench
They have a thing with tribal decks nowadays to like... Not give them good generic tribal support
golden plover
Yeah they throw a bunch of random tribal cards and then like 1-2 cost reducers
languid quest
Cavern of Souls getting reprint in tribal deck would also be nice one that won't happen
lusty trench
No coat of arms, no heralds horn (unless your a 40k set cause then you get special treatment), no vanquishes banner, no door of destinies, no metallic mimic, and especially no kindred dominance
Etc etc
lusty trench
They also recently reprinted it at mythic so
In a master's set
So that shows how they value it
languid quest
best we get is Tapestry of Ancestry
golden plover
You'll get 1 shock in your pioneer decks at best and that's it
golden plover
Yeah, especially considering it's kinda shit in the draft format
It definitely looks like the set was supposed to be commander legends 2 and then they gutted it and put the cards in the $10 booster instead
languid quest
Dockside is one of those cards that's only good in EDH
golden plover
Considering it has the etched foil commander reprints, had dockside, had tithe, and had animatou who has "can be your commander" on her in a non-commander limited format
lusty trench
I struggle to call double masters 2022 a draft format tbh
It was just not a fun draft experience imo
I got my imperial seal, a few other cards I needed, then dipped
golden plover
It's not designed to be drafted. It's designed to be an overly expensive pack that had all the necessary reprints people wanted in it
Which would be fine if they didn't justify a lot of dumb shit by going "but the draft format"
It's why it's got [[Cryptic Spires]] in it for draft. Last minute way to fix the awful format
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Land
As you create your deck, circle two of the colors below.
Cryptic Spires enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add one mana of either of the circled colors.
lusty trench
I had a really good draft run for it and I wasn't having fun at all because it wasn't because I was good at draft
I just pulled better
golden plover
Yeah that's kinda what it comes down to
lusty trench
And I took every cryptic spires passed to me
golden plover
Better have drafted 2 bomb rares
Oh your opponent drafted better bombs in their color? Gg
lusty trench
I think the most fun I've had drafting recently was... I want to say baldurs gate actually
golden plover
Oh also the money rares and mythics were almost all bad in draft
So you've gotta decide on taking the cards that are good in your $10 packs or taking the cards that are worth money
golden plover
I think the most fun I've had drafting recently was... I want to say baldurs gat...
Baldur's Gate is unironically a really good draft format. Kinda not a great set overall in constructed and really shouldn't have been a "commander legends" set, but it's a good draft
lusty trench
I think the most fun I've had drafting recently was... I want to say baldurs gat...
Were some commanders too strong (cough miirym cough)? Sure but like it was a nice experience and the bonus goals were cool too
The winner of the bonus goals at our lgs got a neon yellow card from kamigawa
glad peak
There’s lethal in this hand?
golden plover
Yup, t2 actually
golden plover
Nah, not t1 lethal but t2 works
sudden lava
