Yes, I consider Mr. Karate an ex character 
#Fighting Game Chat
shrewd furnace
austere garnet
I think they’re gonna be free because they’re playable on the wilnas patch at evo but haven’t been marketed or announced before hand these would exist
Could do like the gran and djeeta one free and if people like them start making more and charging
paper notch
X
balmy parrot
JOHNNY IS IN GRAND FINALS
late frost
||double luigi||
balmy parrot
JOHNNY HAS WON EVO
faint ice
Kshue's been on a roll this year
late frost
Well this was casually posted earlier
So I hope they have something bigger for the main stage
faint ice
I think it was an accident this vid got out
balmy parrot
late frost
worthy crystal
I’m going to digest all this content when I’m home from work
vivid furnace
lucy has quickhacks 
faint ice
Marvel Tokon ps5 Closed Beta in September
worthy crystal
https://youtu.be/7sacvUzDV_Q
This gameplay actually looks very cool
austere garnet
small furnace
https://youtu.be/7sacvUzDV_Q
whip and gun okay eltnum
worthy crystal
Mentioning eltnum and not whip is crazy
Especially when she literally hit the whip stance
teal pebble
austere garnet
Valid reaction when you’re playing ft2 in an evo top 8
pearl burrow
GO1's reaction is hilarious I'm sorry
shrewd furnace
Oh hey GO1’s still playing
Idk why I thought he stopped, he just kinda dropped off the map
worthy crystal
https://fixupx.com/kayos_o/status/1952115459094143151
What game is this 
worthy crystal
That reaction to losing like that in that game is crazy
worthy crystal
This is just such a funny lineup
late frost
Blind pick request for Tekken 8 grand finals
late frost
we got the sisters
worthy crystal
<@364939622343507988> HAZAMA VS CARL IN GRANDS
Who won
worthy crystal
shocking that hazama even got 2 games on that character
balmy parrot
it was disappointing because the Hazama had the craziest confirms those two games
worthy crystal
Carl can kind of deny that character every single avenue of gameplay
balmy parrot
and then the final round was just the carl hitting buttons legit
worthy crystal
Who were the players
balmy parrot
obviously not to downplay the carl player but I do not like that character very much
balmy parrot
Who were the players
Xcal vs J-Anson
worthy crystal
J anson is playing again sheesh
Xcal is like one of the best players in na
He also won ceo
balmy parrot
grand finals convinced me to not pick up blazblue past sets with friends because I go on twitter for 5 seconds afterwards and everyone is doing the Sarcastic Asshole routine and talking about kobes
I'd crash out after 5 minutes with these creatures
worthy crystal
That is just fighting game players
And I regret to say kobes was most certainly doing some rage induced salt posting
Decade old game is definitely not going to ban its “probably top 1 but we aren’t really sure actually lol” character on a whim
balmy parrot
oh yeah for sure but I don't handle banter like that very well
worthy crystal
Frankly he kind of is just getting what he gives out anyways
Kobes has had some interesting incidents with others at times 
balmy parrot
don't meet your heroes type shit
shrewd furnace
Wait knee has drama?
I thought he was the wholesome mid aged Korean dad
I still remember there was a Korean show where there was a Korean language based joke that came from his name that I can’t say because it sounds too much like a slur 
late frost
Knee claimed Arslan Ash (and others but mostly Arslan) has been using his pull as a top player to affect balance changes
in a "I'm saying things so the game is easier for me" kind of way
worthy crystal
Wait knee has drama?
Knee made a tweet that high profile use Twitter as a hammer to achieve whatever balance goals they want and said he would start speaking up more often about how broken the Williams are which led to an extremely dumb Twitter feud with arslan ash
And ultimately knee said in a ft10 id beat you with Anna or Nina if you were playing Brian and arslan ash said I’ll fight you in like a year which is
I think knee was spitting but also half the arguments were very tenuously made
“If Brian was actually top 3 anyone could win with him” etc ignoring the fact that he’s a pretty demonstrably difficult character
late frost
As an example
As a Cammy player, it is in my theoretical best interest for Cammy to get buffs, or at least not nerfs
So, I should publicly claim Cammy is weak in the hopes the developers listen to me and buff Cammy
This is something top players have enough pull to theoretically do
worthy crystal
A certain Ken player does that quite often
More often they lose to someone and then turn around and say “my opponents character is broken and should be nerfed”
late frost
Video before Street Fighter top 8 incoming....
smh they posted the video too early
THERE'S ANOTHER VIDEO
Okay outfits are a little lame
But also
balmy parrot
that SF6 grand finals was pretty anti-climactic
pearl burrow
worthy crystal
Confirmed for a while
steel gale
incredible
vapid lake
worthy crystal
The general playerbase does
Shabrys is bitch made
Ken is bitch made
Marie is bitch made
It’s funny just how many unblockables there are in P4
From some of the most innocuous characters
balmy parrot
Marie is a crazy stray but I see it
I like every character in that game except for S. Yukari
late frost
looks like there's a minor balance patch alongside Sagat's release
looks like a fair number of the changes are related to making sure interactions with High Tiger Shot behave
vivid furnace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAU5RL5fIk ok im ngl now that im getting to look at tokon its actually gonna be heat
i'll make my final judgment when i get my hands on it
but it doesnt look overly clunky?
like ggst has eons of hitstop n whatnot attached to every hit, but this looks more dbfz
worthy crystal
Marie is a crazy stray but I see it
Just the way she’s designed to play I fear
Shadow yukari is a little bitch made but she’s also pretty hype
pearl burrow
Always has been
vivid furnace
sometimes you just gotta walk forward slowly
worthy crystal
dude he's MASSIVE
He’s a bizarre character
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot play??
balmy parrot
this is going to be an incredibly similar experience to our blazblue matches but let's go
balmy parrot
I can only play like half an hour
np
balmy parrot
sighhhhhhh sure
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot what’s ur steam
balmy parrot
237700850 is my friend code
balmy parrot
only because you said the magic word
balmy parrot
fuck no
worthy crystal
Crazy
balmy parrot
I keep on thinking I'm on Adachi with his j.C's
worthy crystal
This characters so hype
balmy parrot
do you know how to do the max meter "fuck you" ToD from fullscreen
worthy crystal
Yes
balmy parrot
fear
worthy crystal
But u need awakening or shadow or 7 fire levels
It’s not practical on normal yukiko
balmy parrot
did we desync
balmy parrot
probably 3rd I think yukari and ken are worse
worthy crystal
I think yukiko might be worse than ken
Jc can hit the dog out of the air
I’ll break out the P4A 1.0 main real quick
This is elder abuse
balmy parrot
I will be sued
worthy crystal
I also have no idea what this character does anymore
Possibly lizs worst matchup
At least it was in 1.1
balmy parrot
I forgot how to play this character
balmy parrot
BEST DP IN THE GAME
balmy parrot
hm
worthy crystal
There’s a few spots where it’s fine
On sweep mostly
SB fire breath has literally 0 recovery
balmy parrot
balmy parrot
you hovering over yukari almost had me hovering the close window button
worthy crystal
Maybe next time 
balmy parrot
they actually nerfed chie in 2.2 by buffing her damage
she kills you so fast you don't even get to experience half of her kit
worthy crystal
Shadow chie is the one who kills you
Sigh
Because she can stack power charges super fast
And always has meatballs
Regular chie is like not that good anymore after they killed her frame data
Like 2 more games
balmy parrot
brother
worthy crystal
U think I have the hands to be good with this character??
Very fucked up that her 5a is low
If you pick teddie I will unblockable you
Warning you now
I just want you to appreciate my restraint in not doing an unblockable there
However this will be our last match so be warned I may try to actually unblockable you
worthy crystal
Ok one more I really wanna unblockable you
gaunt cloud
toxic yaoi
worthy crystal
Sigh i did the combo wrong
Just know the intent was there
This character can do wake up reversal super and if you block it she can make you take 7k unblockable
The counterplay is simply to eat the hit and take 3k
Anyways ggs
balmy parrot
ggs
worthy crystal
The counterplay is simply to eat the hit and take 3k
(The actual counterplay is to gc roll)
balmy parrot
my fundies are so good I just need to combo and learn how to fundies
worthy crystal
Your fundies are mashing DP
austere garnet
I love fundies
balmy parrot
Your fundies are mashing DP <:icant:1310294700384714813>
to be fair
half of those were muscle memory, I was trying to wake-up grab
worthy crystal
That does not make it better
U were mashing DP on a +2 jab
And then I punished for 4k and you woke up and DPd again
austere garnet
That does not make it better
Wym? Wake up dp or wake up throw that’s the fundies mix
balmy parrot
I was DPing for awakening bro
worthy crystal
balmy parrot
ignore the fact that I died with 150 meter like five times
austere garnet
What game yall playing?
worthy crystal
That’s the worst part of awakening is that it gives ppl an excuse to play like a coke addict
worthy crystal
What game yall playing?
Persona
balmy parrot
I like hitting buttons on narukami but I instinctively use j.C as a jump-in because every other character I play in every other fighting game has a good jump-in j.C
worthy crystal
It’s peak
austere garnet
Or has a fighting game
worthy crystal
P4 arena ultimax ultra suplex hold edition
balmy parrot
I'm proud of myself for not using autocombo a single time except for when I was on Yosuke because his most optimal combo after he installs is actually mashing autocombo
there's no other route that does more damage
balmy parrot
oh
worthy crystal
But I mean
If ur playing normal yosuke w no extra resources its just
Canceling into j.2c
At the end
But I mean there’s plenty of reason to use auto combo with some characters
Yukari uses it for her bnb for example
The meter bonus is also very good for a lot of characyers
That’s why shadows use auto combo a lot more
balmy parrot
I'm such an idiot I forgot Narukami had j.2B
worthy crystal
- it gives you 10% of your burst
worthy crystal
I'm such an idiot I forgot Narukami had j.2B
3rd best air button in the game gg
balmy parrot
we gotta play again sometime this is where my journey begins
cosmic forge
What version of SF6 do you guys recommend getting on Steam
late frost
The base game is... the base game
Fighters Edition basically has the Season 1 and Season 2 pass built in
If you suspect you'll have any desire to buy either Season 1 or Season 2
You should probably get Fighters Edition
It's an additonal $20 USD to the base game's price for content that costs $60+ bought separately
faint ice
Fighters if you're really set on playing/maining the game
If you just want to dip your toes I'd just get base
There's trial tickets and stuff if you don't care about dlc bar say 1 character to give them a test run
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot playge gamge?
balmy parrot
which one?
balmy parrot
I played a bunch of Strive but it's uninstalled
worthy crystal
Not terribly interested in that game again until Lucy comes out
balmy parrot
not sure I'm in the mood to run it yet though I'm deckbuilding
worthy crystal
Sighhh
balmy parrot
do not worry, I'll use this time wisely by practicing my narukami
and also Terumi probably
hexed forum
And Smash just took another major hit to its reputation
balmy parrot
what happened?
hexed forum
what happened?
Steve player won their first match in Top 8, got intense jeering from the crowd and allegedly harassment on socials, and then dropped from the tournament
And later posted they are no longer competing in Singles brackets for the forseeable future
(Top 10 player btw)
Dropping from the bracket mid-top 8 is going to be the story of the tournament
No matter what happens after
shrewd furnace
I remember when double mayonetta evo happened
covert void
worthy crystal
SO TRUE
gaunt cloud
REAL
small furnace
hexed forum
and smash players wanna be taken seriously
It’s not even like 5% of the community, but yeah shit like this is going to be your headlines and what your public perception is going to be
vivid furnace
oh im sure there's plenty of well-adjusted smash players, but as you said this is what makes the headlines
worthy crystal
@balmy parrot my son would you like to play today
paper notch
X
faint ice
you're gonna wild assault whether you like it or not
worthy crystal
What if they just put wild assault in old arcsys games with no other changes
Imagine bbcf but arakune can spend 25% of his OD to turn blue at you @small furnace
worthy crystal
Arakune actually the worst character to mention for it
He already converts off every hit into his entire win condition during which he can already unblockable you and is literally infinitely + for 10 full seconds
But uh if crush triggers all sent characters flying forward half screen they’d be pretty fucked up
small furnace
true but another metered way to go into it would be gross
worthy crystal
I guess BBCP 1.0 CT is kind of analogous to first edition of wild assaults
When they all had 100/100 proration and were long starters
small furnace
honestly chronophantasma was such a wild game to come out both for story and gameplay
worthy crystal
For 25 meter every character could add anywhere between 15 and like 2500 damage to their combo
bbcp 1.0 is probably unironically kuso
Kokonoe is up there for most broken character released in modern fighting games
worthy crystal
And valk, Rachel, litchi Tao are also all insanely fucked up characters
small furnace
usual offenders up to that point
worthy crystal
Bbcp has a character who has an RC that costs 0 meter who has fullscreen lowverheads and can deal 7k damage off average starters
And she’s mid tier
Bbcp has a character with an ino dash that only has like 4f startup before actionable, a 19f overhead special that’s safe on block, a 9f fireball that’s -2 point blank and a DP that combos on hit and can be made entirely safe on block OR CAN BE A PRESSURE EXTENDER WITH RESOURCES and she’s LOW TIER
Horrifyingly terrifyingly insanely fucked up game
I could name some other horrifying mid tiers in that game but alas
small furnace
yeah like
+r got the moniker of it being full of war crimes
but the blazblue series has had it worse
worthy crystal
Tbf both of those characters also have some very glaring issues
small furnace
they'd still often be like
worthy crystal
But bb games post CS1 have insanely high character power levels
worthy crystal
Everyone’s frame data is at least a little broken everyone’s damage potential is insane (even if the floor can be low)
In bbcp and beyond everyone has a universal insanely strong defensive option that you can OS with to murder everything
bb offense is extremely strong because throw OS and later OD OS are so potent
So you have to make offense conversely good, and throws need conversely high reward
Which is why almost every character can achieve their entire win condition off throw
But also BBs entire design philosophy of every character having their own unique gimmicks also inherently lends itself very well to higher power levels
small furnace
yeah true
worthy crystal
Even across drives that are on paper similar (hibiki/jubei, lamb/nu, noel/kagura, relius/carl, etc) they’re extremely different in practice because of the rest of the characters kit
small furnace
every single character u can play has one bullshit maneuver at least
which is fun in its own right even if not every character is good
worthy crystal
Ya bb is truly a game where you can mention anything from at least one character that would make someone’s eyes pop out of their head
Even the actual bottom tiers
Celica has an infinite armor -2 overhead that deals 3k+ on hit
But that character is unfair to mention since they specifically don’t want her to be good
balmy parrot
<@291063973971755008> my son would you like to play today
I did not see this, sorry
balmy parrot
time to get back to learning jin
I have no idea why I dropped this character
oh it's because he's strike/throw, right
teal pebble
worthy crystal
oh it's because he's strike/throw, right
He has a 19f overhead
balmy parrot
it has zero reward without meter or ch though
worthy crystal
Still something you should be presenting often
balmy parrot
oh I'll present something alright
worthy crystal
It’s also safe and frame traps
vapid lake
faint ice
shrewd furnace
Who said I wanted more puppet in my puppet character
paper notch
steel gale
anila can't escape the allegations even in a spinoff lol
vivid furnace
how bad is anila?
like we talkin joke character bad or just bad bad
like potemkin in whatever gg game that was bad
worthy crystal
how bad is anila?
Bottom 2
Her and vik are arguably the only actual bad characters in the game
The joke is that it’s D for Divine General tier
Xrd pot has a similar vibe
If you’re talking about ML though that’s a diff universe
He’s like literally not functional
The basic character concept doesn’t work
vivid furnace
Bottom 2
so flawed and definitely not a pick to go competitive with but playable
unlike, yeah, ML potemkin
worthy crystal
ML potemkins don’t happen anymore
In a world where games get patched that is physically impossible
worthy crystal
vs needs to add payila to redeem the zodiacs
She’ll be even worse than Vik
steel gale
can cope that they'd make dragon good
worthy crystal
Funniest outcome is fully committing to the bit
faint ice
with how middling everyone's favourite sandy was
they just throw darts at a board for their vs state
worthy crystal
Is Leo finally dead
H DP no longer HKDs
Also nago no longer has mix also ram pressure isn’t infinite anymore
balmy parrot
yeah but Happy Chaos is now Top 5 (again)
worthy crystal
shrewd furnace
All good changes to faust, too bad it’s too late 
balmy parrot
I'm very tired of seeing the Leffen character ngl
worthy crystal
I mean HC barely got buffed
And the nerfs matter more probably
Also the wa nerfs are kinda crazy
cosmic forge
I'm very tired of seeing the Leffen character ngl
Me too but unfortunately there’s nothing we can do short of blocking him on social media
gaunt cloud
Oh yea are we gonna talk about being able to YRC during GC now?
worthy crystal
What else would fix gc besides taking it out of the game at that point lol
wicked quarry
You say that like I wouldnt want that
worthy crystal
Let strike throw be good
worthy crystal
That’s not a GC thing it’s a specific moves thing
And I think especially after they just nerfed all the GC moves in this patch + the aforementioned nerf it’s much more handleable
wicked quarry
Well see
I just always thought it was stupid that looping GC didnt have any scaling or staleing
worthy crystal
Because that would be kind of a nightmare to implement and also because that rewards just sitting and blocking
Which is extremely something that strive has disencouraged since day 1
wicked quarry
We already have risc for that
It would just mean you cant win without ever opening up your opponent
Which just shouldnt be a thing to begin with
worthy crystal
Chip damage is a thing in uncountable fgs and in every one of them serves as a means to actually force your opponent to do things
People don’t play fighting games to block for 99 seconds
wicked quarry
Well yeah, but I cant think of a single fighting game beyond strive where you could win with just chip damage
shrewd furnace
We should make chip damage more than on hit
A bunch of older fighting games used to have it where you could just die from chip
worn rivet
We should make chip damage more than on hit <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Amane main?
wicked quarry
Usually chip damage matters most when youre already low on hp
shrewd furnace
No, sailor moon 
worthy crystal
You say that like chip kills are particularly common in strive
Let alone entire chip HP bars
They happen maybe more often than other fgs (besides blazblue and shitty old games) but still not particularly often
wicked quarry
Amongst the top tiers pre-patch it was certainly a factor
Between Garuda and Behemoth Typhoon
Johnny less so because Johnny actually opens you up
wicked quarry
Yes
Problem is, both Pot and Gold force you into blocking a lot, and are doubly rewarded for doing so, and the chip damage is excessive
Its what made both of them such unfun characters to play against when theyre good
(Well armored pot buster is also a thing for Pot)
worthy crystal
GL and pot would both still have been top tier even if they did literally 0 chip damage
I would be more than willing to bet
Especially pot because his strike throw is actually good
wicked quarry
Probably, but theyd be less of a pain in the ass to fight for sure
worthy crystal
That’s just a game feel thing
I regret to say I think you might just hate strive
Considering I have also never seen you say a positive thing about the game the entire time it’s existed
wicked quarry
I mean Game Feel ... is an important part of a game?
Eh I dont hate it, but its not BBCF for me
But a few design decisions really annoy me, which is why I dropped even Johnny even though he was fun
And yeah, Guard Crush is one of those decisions
worthy crystal
I mean Game Feel ... is an important part of a game?
Yes and I think you just don’t like how strive as an entirety feels
wicked quarry
Danger Time at least was a funny badly designed mechanic
Guard Crush is just a badly designed mechanic
Eh, I wouldnt have played it as much as I did if I didnt like how it felt as an entirety
I only stopped playing it much in season 2
pearl zodiac
@worthy crystal when did you wanna play persona btw you weren't available on wednesday
worthy crystal
<@364939622343507988> when did you wanna play persona btw you weren't available ...
I’m busy for the foreseeable future
Either Monday or next Wednesday depending
vivid furnace
watching tns and jesus christ demonhunter is cracked
him vs yullihez, so zmc vs zero may jill, jill got snapped in four fucking times with no reward on any
wins a solo zero comeback, no x, 25% vs entire team
plus he goes for the funniest tac infinite ever, which is just jill yelling AY until she kills
faint ice
fighting lucy feels like bridget with millia speed
wicked quarry
I did notice that her normals seem to have absurd range
I wanna say theyre even slightly longer than Bridgets
faint ice
I don't think they're longer
but when she's a zooming rocket it doesnt matter
I think they were really smart with her and unika as dlc
I'm sure it feels great for anyone to just slam buttons as her
because ppl are just pressing
gaunt cloud
I've seen people using quickhack as basically a roman cancel that also gives you counterhit state
Its kinda crazy
faint ice
Yeah her poison hack gives her so much damage
you do often have to choose between hacks or wall super knockdown though
vivid furnace
so umvc3 on pop_os! really doesnt like it when you use a separate numpad
it'll freeze the game with each input, despite windows umvc3 being fine with it
tkl keyboard? fine. hitbox/pad? fine. numpad? go get fucked
great it looks completely fine on recording
pearl burrow
shrewd furnace
Damn they really went hard on the Russian theming on this guy
shrewd furnace
Londrekia just sounds like a Russian name (I know it’s not) and the theme sounds close with some Russian classical music which of course I don’t know the names of because it’s been a decade since I’ve last played them
Dunno why but always got that feeling from him, he has something that just looks like a Russian character archetype
pearl zodiac
he's more German but his theme does have a reference to Chopin in it
shrewd furnace
True, that was going to be the second one since waldstein and Wagner looks that way too
worthy crystal
@faint ice this Lucy character is pretty good methinks
also did they change everyone’s arcade or does she just have a weird one
faint ice
also did they change everyone’s arcade or does she just have a weird one
She has a special one
worthy crystal
Sigh
worthy crystal
She’s fast she has an ioh her frame data seems fine and she has an RC with upside
- a dp
I don’t really play this game anymore but can’t imagine what would make her not good
She’s like chipp + Bridget and also has a divekick for some reason
That’s basically unpunishable without IB
pearl zodiac
is she like bridget in that she's focused on setplay
worthy crystal
No she’s like Bridget in that her buttons are massive
Her oki seems pretty decent though
wicked quarry
Nope, she just has Bridget-style normals, but otherwise she's just a typical strike/throw character
worthy crystal
Offense definitely feels a bit better than typical strike throw idk
J.h puts in a lot of work and after a knockdown she’s vaguely invisible
wicked quarry
Her being able to combo off of her throw when she has the debuff on the enemy does make it a lot better yeah
Same with her jump aerials
worthy crystal
Her buttons are also good for pressure
And a ton of mental stack options
Crossup from the rekka thing is a -4 overhead
pearl zodiac
is it a real rekka or is it a fake rekka
wicked quarry
I would've said like Chipps Rekka
worthy crystal
Especially the part where it lets you pull up from half screen for no reason
wicked quarry
Just better
worthy crystal
Ok but chipp can’t cancel his rekka into super to fly 2/3 of the screen and turn invisible
In the corner she can also set up pretty hard to see L/R with it
gaunt cloud
Last character of an arcsys' fg season pass
Not part of the same medium as the other characters
Dominates in neutral
Huge normals with fast frame data
Can debuff her opponent
Lucy is LC21
wicked quarry
She's not that broken fwiw
faint ice
Ok but chipp can’t cancel his rekka into super to fly 2/3 of the screen and turn...
wait a minute can't he literally do this
but yeah millia speed with bridget normals is def a combo
a problem I've heard about her is her cancels are awkward
you just have to keep praying wire works
worthy crystal
wait a minute can't he literally do this
Not the turning invisible part
Or increased risc or whatever
I just can’t imagine the quick hack super isn’t really crazy
worthy crystal
a problem I've heard about her is her cancels are awkward
OB it def feels that way
Tagging with f.s in neutral and then ur just like throwing spaghetti
But after she gets a hit it’s far easier
wicked quarry
Oh Blitzcrank was announced for the base Roster of 2XKO
Full reveal on 2nd september
Good choice actually tbh
Blitz is a more unique/memorable design, fits fighting games well and could cover a niche we dont really have yet
worthy crystal
I was hoping for bard 
late frost
shrewd furnace
Huh blitz is kinda cool
I wonder if he’ll have a true long ranged grab (assuming they even go that route; fighting game design is not moba design) or a hit grab
austere garnet
I just hope one of his assist moves allow him to grab his own teammate as a cool defensive tool
late frost
I wonder if he’ll have a true long ranged grab (assuming they even go that route...
My prediction is he'll have the Scorpion-style Get Over Here as a combo tool or projectile fish
faint ice
blitz is too iconic to not have a move that extends his arm
shrewd furnace
True
I’ve just seen too many concepts of league characters as fg characters which are literally copy pasted and they don’t work
Imagine if they decide blitz’s w is a good ability to add
worthy crystal
Crazy that they just decided gio gets to hard knockdown off everything again @faint ice
Thought that was like a whole thing they nerfed before
faint ice
Crazy that they just decided gio gets to hard knockdown off everything again <@1...
There's no guard crush now so it's fine 🙂
I think she was underrated last patch already
She's in a pretty perfect spot
worthy crystal
Perpetually underrated character
worthy crystal
@pearl zodiac play?
vivid furnace
https://fixupx.com/squadupandhandi/status/1960156844955185476?t=upzh4h0Xk7q3uPAlueMqrA&s=19 we finally have a good grappler 
wicked quarry
First time he was top 1 tho
worthy crystal
Most characters only get to be top 1 once 
Unless your name is nagoriyuki or Leonard Whitefang
Also venom is so sick
6k S carcass c.s unmashable string 
worthy crystal
HC was top 1 through multiple consecutive patches but as far as I recall didn’t reappear after they actually decided to nerf him
Leo arguably did
And I hate that character so I argue he did
wicked quarry
I wanna say Sol but thats a case of "wasnt nerfed enough the first time"
wicked quarry
I struggle to think of a second time Leo was top 1 beyond the one silly patch
worthy crystal
Except for egregious ones like HC
wicked quarry
Also most characters were never top 1
worthy crystal
I struggle to think of a second time Leo was top 1 beyond the one silly patch
A couple people said at one point in S3 he was
wicked quarry
Unfortunately that includes all characters I play
shrewd furnace
Pot was potentially t1 during beta when he was about to dash
pearl burrow
https://fixupx.com/squadupandhandi/status/1960156844955185476?t=upzh4h0Xk7q3uPAl...
Evil Aleks Le?
gaunt cloud
Unless your name is nagoriyuki or Leonard Whitefang
One could argue ram
worthy crystal
One could argue ram
I didn’t wanna start that argument
Anyways this proves my point of the top 1 normally being pretty subjective
wicked quarry
Most of the time yeah
I think launch Sol, post-buff HC, last patch Potemkin are probably the 3 where everyone agreed
worthy crystal
Persona?
worthy crystal
sigh hop on uni kid
This izumi character is pretty sick lowk
I have to do laundry rq
pearl zodiac
I see
worthy crystal
Play now? @pearl zodiac
pearl zodiac
alright lemme send you a request on my new acc
worthy crystal
Invited
pearl zodiac
yeah just gimme a minute, gotta remap my controls
worthy crystal
Not my finest gameplay
shrewd furnace
worthy crystal
Ok then
pearl zodiac
was that me or you
worthy crystal
You
pearl zodiac
funny place to stop I feel
pearl zodiac
@worthy crystal we should play uni2 sometime
worthy crystal
Maybe
pearl zodiac
I won't be able to 1-button DP my way out of this one
worthy crystal
If I stop air mashing you won’t be able to 1 button DP your way out of persona either
BB and xrd simply enable me too much I fear
pearl zodiac
well you've gotta admit I was blocking better those games
I misinputed burst too many times though
trying to tech
worthy crystal
I noticed
worthy crystal
Liedrogen bomb
pearl zodiac
wrong
gaunt cloud
Holly
gaunt cloud
#nenitup
late frost
rumor mill milling about Injustice 3
mellow palm
I think we as a society have collectively moved past a need for an injustice 3 tbh
pearl zodiac
or any nrs game
vivid furnace
we on that hopepilled superman now 
mellow palm
A lot of the characters that I would actually want in injustice 3 can’t be in it for lore reasons
Obviously they can just invent new lore but still
vivid furnace
honestly go away from the injustice storyline n just do a DC NRS game
mellow palm
I think beast boy would be really cool in a fighting game but he can’t be in injustice
Yeah exactly
paper notch
X
wicked quarry
@round creek
faint ice
wicked quarry
Oh he's a grappler i see
(I haven't watched the video yet)
Not my type of character
But he looks dope
wicked quarry
Tbh I expect Kara command grabs to matter less in 2xKO
paper notch
Blitzcrank looks way too mobile to ever need to rely on kt atleast
austere garnet
X
vivid furnace
also ngl i just wanted an excuse to post that gif
cant wait to see the BM strats developed by 2xko players though
teal pebble
Potemkin zooming across the screen to PBuster is a scarything
shrewd furnace
Good thing you didn’t play in strive beta then
pearl zodiac
X
austere garnet
Oh no
paper notch
yeah, very unfortunate
paper notch
https://x.com/play2xko/status/1962923481558827383?s=46
oh rocket punch destorys projectiles, i see how it is
vivid furnace
i kinda wish there was a version of phoenix in umvc3 that didnt have dark phoenix
but instead was like
750k hp
give her an extra lvl 1 to make up for it idk
i think her on point is a really neat idea, she's got all the stuff you would want out of a good point
worthy crystal
Kind of just Trish
cosmic forge
I wish there was a version of Hsien-Ko that wasn’t shit
But we can’t always have what we want
cosmic forge
I still love that Pikachu is a Mishima
shrewd furnace
he did throw his child off a cliff after all
austere garnet
X
vivid furnace
what the fuck is this closed beta man
first its only ps5, barely anyone gets in, and now they're limiting the time you can actually play it
paper notch
ok what references can we identify? tager, potekmin and sentinel i could find, are there any others?
https://vxtwitter.com/Play2XKO/status/1963980452156375307
wicked quarry
Fairly certain the second colour is from their previous game back when they were Radiant entertainment
And the last one Im pretty sure is just trans colours
vivid furnace
the last one's sentinel, no?
wicked quarry
Guy did list Sentinel yes
pearl zodiac
And the last one Im pretty sure is just trans colours
ah, another strive reference
feels a bit odd since blitzcrank is a grappler and bridge isn't but it's still cool ig
cosmic forge
ok what references can we identify? tager, potekmin and sentinel i could find, a...
isn't the green one tron
austere garnet
Tokon beta is fire
vivid furnace
must be nice
faint ice
I said it before but this marvel game is 200% a day 1 purchase for me
vivid furnace
ive been watching yipes n max play it, it looks fantastic
shrewd furnace
Does it still have the issue I had with it? (Game stops every time a character switches)
vivid furnace
vivid furnace
Does it still have the issue I had with it? (Game stops every time a character s...
its still got active tag but you also dont need to tag at all if you dont want
snapbacks dont exist
and you share one healthbar for all four characters
shrewd furnace
Active tag I’m fine with, I’m not fine with the game stopping half seconds at a time tho lmao
Luckily it looks a lot faster in the clip than in the trailer
vivid furnace
yea its more dbfz in speed
paper notch
vivid furnace
holy shit jill moves so fast
decided to give her a quick shot in lab bc ive been fuckin w/ seeing demonhunter play her
just getting used to her movement n whatnot, mad beast and her stance are so fun to control
worthy crystal
@faint ice do u need a 2xko link
faint ice
<@199566048750469120> do u need a 2xko link
tempting, thanks but I told myself I'll wait for console
worthy crystal
it’s literally free…
faint ice
it’s literally free…
nothing from riot is free...
pearl zodiac
STAKE YOUR SOUL
paper notch
do they do the deta invites in waves or is it over?
pearl zodiac
for tokon?
paper notch
2xko
shrewd furnace
I just got another invite
faint ice
2xko
EU codes seem to have come slower than NA ones
They leaked the next champ again?
It's Teemo btw
worthy crystal
Fuck off bro
late frost
Oh
I got an invite
vivid furnace
ive seen her on tns a few times and idk what she does
worthy crystal
She hits crouch fierce
vivid furnace
shes got disjointed buttons, yeah?
cos of the sticks she whacks people with
not arcsys level but something
gaunt cloud
She has this issue where one of her moves does everything so well it eclipses out the rest of her kit, including some of her specials
cosmic forge
Isn’t her deal like she gets temporary buffs
late frost
She has a stock mechanic
One of her specials grants her wind stock(s)
and she consumes wind stock to enhance her specials
But she's not great at establishing a vortex loop to continue re-establishing stocks
shrewd furnace
Yeah my friend mains her and just does better with other characters
faint ice
scoop some fools
wicked quarry
How am I the only one without an invite >:[
paper notch
man, i did not miss dealing with the riot client lmao
shrewd furnace
Similar thing happened with gg strive beta keys
cosmic forge
Finally got Samsho on PC if anyone else wants to get into it
I fucking love footsies
worn rivet
vivid furnace
straight up jorkin it in the 2xko beta
cosmic forge
Anyone else here play Samsho
hexed forum
Anyone else here play Samsho
Yes
cosmic forge
Yes
I forgot how fun it is
I was showing Liza some hitboxes yesterday and she was totally baffled that Amakusa’s 5m hits from 3/4
vivid furnace
dbfz doesnt fuckin recognize any of my controllers
i wonder if i can use an older version of proton-ge 
oh there's a newer version too
nope just refuses to connect to the server now. i've done pissed dbfz staff off somethin fierce
late frost
cosmic forge
https://youtu.be/iDhyJYuW0Fo
…isn’t that Seth’s theme?
late frost
There's a bunch of SFIV references in this pass
Hakan, Rufus, and El Fuerte emotes
vivid furnace
https://youtu.be/iDhyJYuW0Fo
no gameplay trailer i sleep
worthy crystal
Possibly the most toxic super in the game
They did have the mercy to not let you taunt during it though
vivid furnace
its so nice to finally have this combo down
even with this not being optimal both in combo route and in assist choices (gx zip loops are way more stable and deal more damage + doom beam is better than doom missiles for both spencer and wesker) but im not planning on winning any tourneys anytime soon so
worthy crystal
@small furnace @faint ice i wish I liked the game flow of kof more
Or at least had a third character that was really fucking hype
Because I Luong and Ash are 2 of my favorite fg characters ever
small furnace
i kinda feel that. kof was a series i really liked for some time but i fell out of love with it as a game
worthy crystal
But I hate playing actual KoF (those characters don’t play KoF)
worthy crystal
Exactly
My favorite KoF characters in every game are the ones not playing the game
Like especially Ash
Is so radically different from everyone else it’s not even close
KoF is known for being like the meter dump triple super combo ender game especially more recently
And ash pops install 3 times in one combo and builds 7 bars
Luong is also Johnny but in a footsies game
Which is hype as fuck
small furnace
yeah and like tbh
the fun kof characters are as u said, not really kof characters, but it didnt really feel this way before
idk if its nostalgia
worthy crystal
This is actually how I’ve always felt
A lot of KoF characters, even if they have very different kits, feel bottlenecked by how the combo structure of the game feels so uniform for everyone
Like the way people used to talk about how all strive combos are the same is how I feel about KoF 15 combos
small furnace
real
worthy crystal
I also feel this way about a lot of legacy fighters like vsav which makes me not like them as much
Unless you literally have the execution of one of the best fg players of all time you’re stuck to button button sweep
faint ice
Sometimes I wonder how far out we are from a kof16 but who knows what's going on at snk atm
cosmic forge
KoF16 will actually just have a Saudi Royalty team
paper notch
What a scary notification to get
paper notch
worthy crystal
@pearl zodiac
pearl zodiac
what's good bro
worthy crystal
Can we play
worthy crystal
Bruhg
pearl zodiac
@worthy crystal I'm here, I'm queer, and I'm drenched in rain
worthy crystal
<@364939622343507988> I'm here, I'm queer, and I'm drenched in rain
Give me like 20 min
pearl zodiac
alright
worthy crystal
@pearl zodiac persona?
pearl zodiac
sure
I was actually thinking of picking up marie but I couldn't find the time to lab her
worthy crystal
Give me one second I have to hit a bunch of buttons in metaphor
pearl zodiac
good luck
worthy crystal
I’m just doing last minute personal leveling so that eupha has megidola
If u wanna make the room now would save some time @pearl zodiac
pearl zodiac
yeah I'm just plugging in my controller
worthy crystal
Ok all my buttons have been clicked time to lock in
pearl zodiac
there's a thunderstorm btw so if I DC I'm probably dead
pearl zodiac
yippee
worthy crystal
God fist is simply the most satisfying move in the game
I’m also surprised 2b beats lion
pearl zodiac
bruh
pearl zodiac
do you actually have any shadow burst combos labbed or do you just like s yukari's toolkit more than regular yukari
worthy crystal
I have frenzy combos but it’s mostly just to have magarula
yukari frenzy combos are kinda whack anyways
I’ll show
Well didn’t get to show but
The idea is just
236a 236ca 236a236b236236a
It just does a trillion damage
If ur in the corner you can do sick rejump stuff
pearl zodiac
the one time I did play in a P4U2 tournament I got matched first round into a shadow ken player
and then the round after in loser's a shadow yukari
I got to play persona for 10 minutes
pearl zodiac
I need to play adachi more
worthy crystal
I disagree
worthy crystal
Far preferable
One of two characters in the game this characters dp is good against
I guess 3
pearl zodiac
not me wondering why my persona button isn't coming out
pearl zodiac
I'm actually lightheaded
worthy crystal
I think I remember how to do the unblockable now
I was messing it up
Ok
It’s a brutal impact
Not sb
pearl zodiac
we're venturing into "have never played" territory now
worthy crystal
Crazy
pearl zodiac
Frame 1 ice broke you were hitting shit <:icant:1310294700384714813>
I guess I was but I was just trying to learn when I can tech
pearl zodiac
ah
pearl zodiac
I think I've developed enough to try and learn aigis
round creek
Still think bringing back half the Fatal Fury cast as barely different characters is highkey lame
Do more fun newbies or go back to some of the old Garou 2 designs we’ve never seen used again, I’m not excited to see Joe with Gohan glasses
Or at least do a veteran that’s not been seen in ages, like Duck King or one of the Maximum Impact weirdos (granted they’d have to contract Falcoon again for that but I can’t imagine that’s anymore expensive than licensing the likeness of a famous football player)
(I mean we are at least getting that with Mr. Big
Who sure is the last one in the pass)
wicked quarry
Fair
worthy crystal
Five champs a year @faint ice
faint ice
I saw
faint ice
starting from teemo in oct is not bad
paper notch
shroom assist is gonna go hard
however if they implement blinding dart i might just quit the game
faint ice
their seasons are prob not the troll ranked of closed beta
+30 - 3 half the server diamond/chally
worthy crystal
however if they implement blinding dart i might just quit the game
He will be reptile mk10 but 2 feet tall
wicked quarry
5 a year is a good pace yeah
worthy crystal
It will be unbearable
wicked quarry
I wonder if they'll actually go for implementing every champ eventually
worthy crystal
What’s the pace they put new champs in league
paper notch
well their pace seems to be faster than leagues, but i would hope not
worthy crystal
Isn’t it 3/4 a year
paper notch
there are some champions who would need significant reashuffling to be interesting at all
wicked quarry
That's in a good year lmao
worthy crystal
Regardless it would take some insane legwork to put that many characters in
Would be a balancing nightmare and a dev nightmare
For 0 entire people to play zira (just like in real life)
worthy crystal
there are some champions who would need significant reashuffling to be interesti...
- this yes
wicked quarry
OK that is true but
worthy crystal
A lot of champs in fighting games would prob just be reskins of each other
wicked quarry
I think Zilean as a playable character would be peak comedy
paper notch
For 0 entire people to play zira (just like in real life)
zyra is kionda fun in arena tho
worthy crystal
Sigh
paper notch
best example for a boring chap is garen
all he has is the spin and darius basically already does that
worthy crystal
My dream picks for the near future are diana,tf, renata, samira
Though I know they prob won’t ever ship Diana without Leona
wicked quarry
I want Khazix
worthy crystal
Any of the void champs would be cool
wicked quarry
Briar could be fun
worthy crystal
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did specific events where they launch multiple champs because they’re tied together
I was gonna say briar but not sure if league players hate her or not
wicked quarry
... also fuck it, Viktor and he gets the footdive
worthy crystal
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did specific events where they launch multiple c...
Diana/Leona, shurima gods, void champs
paper notch
fiora, sion, warwick, fiddle, naut, camille, gangplank, ryze, jhin
is my picks i think
worthy crystal
Fiora would be SO fucking cool
paper notch
throw in pyke and pantheon too, why not
wicked quarry
Hmmm
worthy crystal
Spear characters in fighting games never end well
wicked quarry
I want Kaisa, Khazix, Kassadin, Viktor and Yone tbh
paper notch
yone is like
worthy crystal
Yone…
wicked quarry
Kassadin could be the bullshit teleport character
paper notch
80% guaranteed
wicked quarry
Yone I mostly want for them to do his cinematic justice
paper notch
brother thats olike 160 chapions
wicked quarry
Make his fighting style actually flow
Instead of being a second Yasuo but a little to the left
worthy crystal
Yone would just be ghost from dnf
faint ice
I want Kaisa, Khazix, Kassadin, Viktor and Yone tbh
kha kassadin are cool
rest 👎
we will get yone eventually tho because he's stuck to yas like glue
worthy crystal
Sad!
Draven and Kat will be sick champs
Leblanc could be really cool but will probably be really boring
paper notch
draven is one of those that could be real sick yea
honestly, if they are already including yordles, put poppy and gnar on the list
worthy crystal
draven is one of those that could be real sick yea
Ryougi from melty
Kat would also be ryougi from melty
paper notch
they explained why
wicked quarry
Did they?
paper notch
they basically made her a test character for everything and she became this monster chimera of a champion that was just way to strong
so they are doing her from zero again
or smth to that extent
worthy crystal
She balled too hard… her drip was too fire… they had to kill jer
I hope blade pickups are a mechanic for her
paper notch
its almost suprising that we dont have a puppet character yet, but then again idk how they do with tag fighters
worthy crystal
You can do like a chaos puppet character who just displaces and that would prob be ok
paper notch
i heard someone say that zed was leaked after teemo
worthy crystal
With the input system a zato/carl would be a nightmare
Zed might just astral vision you
Who would be an actual puppet character in this game
Maybe yone unironically
Control the ghost or something
wicked quarry
Yorick
paper notch
azir 
wicked quarry
Or Annie
paper notch
oh yorick is sick actually
wicked quarry
Anyway puppet characters are not that tough in tag games tbh
Because the tagging system alread let's you do the heinous shit
worthy crystal
Oh Annie yeah
Well the constraint of puppets on tag fighters is that you have single characters that can do what you normally need an entire mechanic to do
Which tends to be a little good
paper notch
annie is one of those champs that would need a big overhaul to be in a fighting game