#Fighting Game Chat

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faint ice
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lmao

balmy parrot
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BROTHER.

worthy crystal
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But currently playing tao

balmy parrot
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oh that's cool

worthy crystal
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This characters offense is godlike

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Her whole thing is just that she doesn’t do any damage and you have to play out of your mind on defense/ in neutral vs certain characters

faint ice
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I can see it

worthy crystal
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So you have to work like 3x as hard as like

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Izanami

faint ice
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she's blitzing but doesn't seem to have large enough normals

worthy crystal
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Who has the same exact offense with none of the downsides

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Her air normals are godlike

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Ground normals are ass

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But her air to ground approach got mutilated every game

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Until now she just sucks

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Oh

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Ok then

faint ice
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ahh

worthy crystal
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Is it steam maintenance or is it my internet

faint ice
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maintenance is tuesday no

worthy crystal
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True

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I thought it was Tuesday

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Odd

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Maybe it’s a sign I have to leave soon

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gg though

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We should play this game more sinkiske

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I just feel bad because most of the characters I have experience with are crazy ass knowledge checks and the only one who isn’t is just obscenely overtuned at everything

faint ice
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I will practice fighting back to get more fun gaming

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dont feel bad, not my first rodeo

worthy crystal
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Sigh I’ll just play litchi next time

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Im actually pretty sure im creeping towards 1k now

balmy parrot
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I'm playing Hazama now but I have like a Ragna I can play I guess

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and a Mai

worthy crystal
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Everyone has a little bit of a mai

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I have a mai from when I tried to play tao in this game

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Before I realized how foolish I was…

balmy parrot
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I'll probably just play Hazama though

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need to play more sets with him so I can commit my lessons to memory...

faint ice
worthy crystal
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He’s cool

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Personally I find him a combination of some of the most obnoxious archetypes in fighting games but w/e

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Idk what types of characters u play in anime actually

balmy parrot
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keep in mind jubei is kinda weak but that's not like a deal-breaker

worthy crystal
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He’s fine

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People have been more up on him since rollback

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People revisited and after routes got optimized he now dies roughly as fast as everyone else with a few exceptions icant

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Elyon makes him look godlike

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Mobility oriented rushdown with strong setplay, install super that makes you unblockable icant

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Has a very strong IoH mixup

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The counterplay is to stop blocking because most characters normal crouching hitbox is shorter than their crouch blocking hitbox but

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Bit of a flawed response for several reasons

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Generally his weaknesses are just in comparison to others

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Characters like izayoi work on a very similar function but she has stronger defense and a more flexible gameplan, he takes more damage than anyone else against most characters because he always takes crouching hitstun, very notable weakness against Mai and Carl

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I know a really really good jubei player if u want the hookup @faint ice

balmy parrot
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after my Hazama arc is done I might hop on Izanami

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would people stop wanting to play with me if I did

faint ice
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surely there's too many villains in this game for ppl to start being picky about opponents

worthy crystal
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I still got games on my izanami arc

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Only characters u see ppl dodge are kune clovers and nu (lol)

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Sometimes Rachel

balmy parrot
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I would never dodge a character unless it was Carl yeah

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even then I'd still give them a couple games

worthy crystal
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I only dodge Carl when they prove they know how to play the game and not just crutch on their character breaking system mecuanics

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Sometimes these mfs don’t even know how to ibfd

balmy parrot
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irritable bowel flatulence disorder?

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I think they call it barrier block in blazblue

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or instant barrier blocking

worthy crystal
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They do

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But ibfd is universal language

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If I say ibb idk

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That’s a world chalice synchro

balmy parrot
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just say ibs because you be shitting out all your barrier

worthy crystal
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Only against the twink

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Or Izanami

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Everyone else barrier management is pretty reasonable

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You just have to know when to use barrier and when to do regular ib

faint ice
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AHAHAHA

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@worthy crystal there were so many bb copers lmao

worthy crystal
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Anyone who thought bb would be main lineup was on crack

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This game seems tight

faint ice
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Ngl I was starting to believe in soul calibur

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With the French effect similar to dbfz

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
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ignore the caption I just thought it was cute

worthy crystal
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@balmy parrot @faint ice any sets to be run?

faint ice
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Busy for a good bit

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But still possible later

worthy crystal
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Sighge

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I’m free for approximately 4.5 hours

balmy parrot
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later kid

worthy crystal
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I won’t be here later…

balmy parrot
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man I wanna learn mu so badly

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but I literally can't land these half-circles

worthy crystal
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If it helps I’m pretty sure Blazblue only checks cardinal directions for half circles

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I can check in a few minutes but pretty sure 426/624 are all you need for them

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360s only check cardinals so don’t see why it would be different

worthy crystal
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Ok apparently they changed it in CF nvm

balmy parrot
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it's alright, just had to get used to the input again

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well I went into training mode and found the issue

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I'm on leverless and I didn't emphasize the down input enough so it always read as 6314

worthy crystal
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Leverless not for the faint of heart

balmy parrot
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it's ok!!! I got it!!!

vivid furnace
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half circles on leverless is ez ngl

balmy parrot
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damn izanami is hard as fuck

faint ice
worthy crystal
worthy crystal
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Rachel is def the actual hardest

balmy parrot
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I always have a character crisis when I play this game and it hurts my desire to improve

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every character has a frustrating aspect to them that halts my progress

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either that or they're low-tier or someone I'm not too interested in playing

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Mu, Hazama, Izanami, Naoto, all really fun but they hurt my hands and their routes are really tight

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@worthy crystal how do you practice characters do you just go into training mode and try to do BnB's every day

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like if I wanted to just commit to Izanami should I do a bunch of other training arcs and play baby-ass characters or should I just practice every day until I get more consistent with her shit

worthy crystal
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ESPECIALLY if it’s Izanami

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Learning combos is good but that character is learning a diff game

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You have to learn how to play the game without actually blocking 80% of the time icant

balmy parrot
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sigh

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I'll just play Naoto and Hazama...

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microdash 5B can't be that bad

balmy parrot
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just got off a set with some friends

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yeah Naoto is fun

worthy crystal
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Certainly

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His buttons are shockingly good in neutral for the type of character he is

balmy parrot
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his DP is pretty good, as it turns out

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I also got to try out a bit of Izanami in an actual match, I got my ass handed to me and levitate combos are gonna be a bitch to lab

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but she's fun

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I think is the important part

worthy crystal
faint ice
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bnbs are cool

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but I literally forget to use my meter when getting my ass beaten by cake

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and that's just not putting enough hours in yet

balmy parrot
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wish Nu was a bit better in CF because I like playing her

balmy parrot
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this version clears the original ngl

worthy crystal
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And even if there were any characters who were nu is far from that

balmy parrot
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she seems unexplored

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also I lowkey hate the attitude some BlazBlue players have

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I look up resources for characters like nu and terumi and it's mostly either shaming or discouragement

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
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I dunno what that means

worthy crystal
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Discourse for a while (esp after rollback) was entirely centered around dust loop pro/con lists icant

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Which is why dustloops for bbcf no longer have pro cons

balmy parrot
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ah

balmy parrot
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it's a Sunday night, I have like 15 tabs relating to Nu-13 open, I've got nothing to do on Monday, it's time to ruin my life

worthy crystal
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Let’s run it @balmy parrot I’ve been picking her up

balmy parrot
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fuck no I'm hungry and it'll affect my performance

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I'll play next time whenever you want

worthy crystal
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Sigh

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Tm afternoon? @balmy parrot

balmy parrot
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sure

worthy crystal
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LFG

worthy crystal
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@balmy parrot @faint ice watched all the promotional material for hxh fighter

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I’ve gotta say

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Possibly the single ugliest fighting game I’ve ever seen relative to its time

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Possibly one of the single worst advertised fighting games I’ve ever seen relative to its IP

balmy parrot
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I have had negative interest because of that

worthy crystal
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Possibly some of the most hyped I’ve ever been for a fighting game SCwap

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I think it’s so fucking ugly it goes back to being charming

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This game actually 1 for 1 reminds me of bftg

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Maybe that’s why they added active tag

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Because they wanted it to literally be bftg

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I saw supers you can combo out of, infinite OTGs, horrible VFX, bad references to a medium people probably don’t remember

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Literally bftg

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Which is a goat game

balmy parrot
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I'm hoping it ends up being good

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but I would've loved to see a main stage for CF at EVO

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we would even get to see Monarch come back probably

worthy crystal
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Would’ve been nice but very unrealistic

balmy parrot
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speaking of CF I completely forgot that Tsubaki and Izayoi exist

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I should try them out

worthy crystal
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Izayoi is so sick

balmy parrot
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from what I can tell both are just

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Potential Man But With Actual Potential

worthy crystal
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Tsubaki kinda mid

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And pretty easy actually

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Izayoi is extremely broken but nobody plays her and probably hardest resource management in the game

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Tsubaki is sort of just a mid dispenser with forever pressure

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Strike throw but her command grab doesn’t have super high reward without resources

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Her overheads are ok but they’re mostly pressure resets since they’re hyper reactable

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2b is really good though

balmy parrot
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I'm not averse to strike/throw but I like 50/50's or high/low mixups more

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I do wanna try out tsubaki because she seems like the wagner of this game (white woman with sword and board that I'll enjoy playing the most)

worthy crystal
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She plays sort of similarly yeah

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Wagner is much more aggressive though

worthy crystal
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@balmy parrot 5 minutes?

balmy parrot
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sure

worthy crystal
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Bet

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steam://joinlobby/586140/109775242324187163/76561199155971047 @balmy parrot

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Roast dodging me…

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@balmy parrot where’d you go…

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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Grahhh

balmy parrot
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how I join this thin

worthy crystal
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Paste link into browser

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It takes u to steam which then takes u to game

balmy parrot
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aight

worthy crystal
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It’s whack but this game is 10 years old

balmy parrot
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lemme try again

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I'm in

worthy crystal
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Cockmuncher su….

balmy parrot
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don't play variable heart

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that is all

worthy crystal
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Don’t tell me what to do

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Remembering combos

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You can hold buttons to tech in this game

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So you can avoid blue beats

balmy parrot
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that's right

worthy crystal
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If you mash to tech you can both miss techs and also accidentally mash bad things on wake-up or airtech

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I apologize in advance

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One more with Izanami just trying to derust my fingers

balmy parrot
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I can't do hakumen combos it's fine

worthy crystal
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I was texting someone sorry

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Didn’t mean to pick this one

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Fun fact this character is millia rage

balmy parrot
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awaugh

worthy crystal
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Ok 2 things

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1 ground normals are air unblockable without barrier, against supers like that one you have to start holding barrier no matter what if you’re in the air

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2 don’t try to roll through setplay like that because roll has less invuln

balmy parrot
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alright

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look at the money I farmed off this kid...

worthy crystal
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Did game die

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Oh I see

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I need a new laptop

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Do you wanna play a few more or nah @balmy parrot

balmy parrot
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nah that was a good place to stop I think

worthy crystal
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Felt bad playing Izanami but I needed to make my fingers wake up

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And didn’t wanna play litchi

balmy parrot
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starting on P2 side and my button presets being wrong screwed me over but gg's

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
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but I didn't wanna come off as a john...

worthy crystal
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We could’ve switched lol

balmy parrot
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you could probably tell naoto is someone I actually play and the others were just characters I knew the buttons for

worthy crystal
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Mai was a character u knew one button for icant but it is possibly the best button in the game

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Guy why do you keep doing that

balmy parrot
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my rotation was characters I knew at least one button for and could play third strike ken with

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I can't learn combos yet...

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I was also not used to having to barrier brake but it was good practice

vivid furnace
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https://youtu.be/t5TZ8wk32_4?si=RFHJi6PjYS1ktN66&t=6028 god i love watching tony kila play so much

Match Timestamps:

0:00 TJINR (Hulk, Sentinel, Haggar) vs. Yullizhez (Zero, Dante, Vergil)
10:28 Neos Stratos TC (Zero, Dante, Vergil) vs. Escalante (Morrigan, Doom, Magneto)
20:37 Hyorinmaru9th (Chun-Li, Morrigan, Phoenix) vs. Tyson_Rico (Magneto, Doom, )
27:10 Livinlegend26 (Chris, Wesker, Akuma) vs. Prodigy (Magneto, Morrigan, Phoenix)

36:40...

▶ Play video
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he neutral techs presses buttons every time, starts every match with dash-up S like his life depends on it, and does j.S whenever he's in the air

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and each fucking time it works out

balmy parrot
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wow that

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that explains a lot

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I kinda wanna play lambda...

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but nu's colors are better...

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but I hate how limited my tools are with nu...

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how hard is lambda actually

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what the hell I'm looking at their moves and lambda is just super juiced and nu is so tame in comparison

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what do you mean AUTOMATIC FOLLOWUPS

worthy crystal
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The automatic follow ups are a blessing and a curse

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Lambdas zoning is worse than nus but she has insane setplay and good midrange

haughty zodiac
# balmy parrot

meanwhile in strive i could cheese half circle forward by just doing a full circle really fast

vivid furnace
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a 360 being easier than hcf is crazy to me

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even if its pot buster input

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
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nah I was mostly joking

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but if there's a mod that just lets me slap nu's base colors on lambda then sure

covert void
late frost
worthy crystal
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Which includes copy pasting Nu palettes

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I have custom colors for bang, izayoi, Tao and Izanami

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Never made one for litchi because her colors are so good catThumbsUp

balmy parrot
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ah

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I'll check it out

worthy crystal
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It also makes training mode better

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Actual wake up settings, frame adv counter, infinite meter if you wanna be funny

worthy crystal
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@balmy parrot wanna run a set tomorrow

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Like in 12-14 hours

balmy parrot
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I'll try to make it but no guarantees since there's a non-zero chance I wake up at like 5 in the afternoon

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I've sorta lost the will to commit to a good sleep schedule for now

worthy crystal
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Joely

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I can also play at like 5 in the afternoon

balmy parrot
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sure

late frost
faint ice
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Strive leaked everything... @worthy crystal

worthy crystal
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Apparently they’re taking legal action for this one

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I still don’t know what even got leaked @faint ice

small furnace
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a fuck ton

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p sure the full source code got leaked and we got to see lucy

worthy crystal
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That’s crazy

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Anyone have sauce

small furnace
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its been getting nuked from the gg reddit

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but im p sure some other forums may have it though if they are taking legal action who knows how long its gonna stay up

worthy crystal
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gg discord currently has 6h slow mode on chat because of it

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faint ice
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It's jack'over..

worthy crystal
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Personally that’s unreal

faint ice
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Supposedly the s5 chars

worthy crystal
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No way

faint ice
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Build with unika & lucy

worthy crystal
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Jam and Kum got leaked

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But like also jam and kum have been “leaked” since season 1

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They updated the files apparently

faint ice
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The game's source code is scary because it's not very secure in general (this ruined s2)
So hopefully no malicious actor happens again

worthy crystal
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The models look good at least

worthy crystal
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Surely

faint ice
small furnace
faint ice
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Inb4 otherworldly factors are forcing me to play sf6 (I'm not complaining)

worthy crystal
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I found the pictures but the videos were dead so idk what happened there

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Is Lucy the cyberpunk one

small furnace
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ye

worthy crystal
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She looks cool

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Wish I could see unikas moveset,,,

gaunt cloud
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Apparently the leaked build also has dbfz's ssj goku model in it

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For some reason

worthy crystal
pearl burrow
worthy crystal
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@balmy parrot play?

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@faint ice play?

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@nova pagoda run the set noob

faint ice
worthy crystal
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This kid thinks I’m playing sf6 before elena drops

faint ice
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Fellow capo enjoyer clearly

shrewd furnace
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i enjoy capo but not run away heal nyaruhodo

vivid furnace
gaunt cloud
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The mod sold me on it a lot imma be honest

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Superdashing is so funny

balmy parrot
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dude

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fuck

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also does anyone have a list of the larger arcsys leak idgaf about strive adding ||jam|| I just wanna see what else they're working on

nova pagoda
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apparently this is how GGST source code got leaked?

worthy crystal
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Do I work at arcsys icant

nova pagoda
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you work for arcsystem works

worthy crystal
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I’m actually the one who released the leaks

shrewd furnace
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I’m actually the one who got hacked

worthy crystal
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Thanks for clicking on that link bro

balmy parrot
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saw some interesting posts on twitter about this

austere garnet
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They already labbing Lucy icant

small furnace
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putting everyone in a to c based on vibes and then s tier on my faves then d for dan

balmy parrot
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k (snk guy at the top)'s most iconic super move starts off with him throwing his sunglasses at the opponent

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he goes in the highest tier

small furnace
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roast im mexican i know snk dw

balmy parrot
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I know I was just stating it for the record

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since the name of the tier is "I don't play SNK games" but he's at the top

small furnace
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i actually like playing most of them here. naoto i dont really play but i like practicing his microdash combos

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everyone else is based on vibes

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so no point posting

balmy parrot
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hell yeah

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ryu should be in his own tier just because he's the OG imo

worthy crystal
boreal hound
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I mean Lilith does have shoto buttons

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LI is literally the raging demon imput

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But yea I agree she kinda also does her own thing

worthy crystal
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Lilith is like almost a shoto but I feel weird calling any vsav character a shoto

boreal hound
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That's fair enough

boreal hound
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Like idk, 3rd strike ryu is just

Nice

worthy crystal
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Oops

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He’s just boring and ass

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Well he’s like broken in newest patch I think

balmy parrot
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I'm glad we put Sol Badguy below Ragna

worthy crystal
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Sol is an average

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In strive he’s not a shoto in xrd he’s high high A in +r he’s an incredibly cool character but also not a shoto

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So I averaged out

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Was very close to putting the samsho characters in not shoto tier too

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But whatever

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Putting Yu Persona but not minazuki or mitsuru is crazy also

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And not including kaguya, elt, or basically any fpan rep

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When fpan has made the sickest shotos of all time

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Word me @small furnace

small furnace
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hmm

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u rite

balmy parrot
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mario in not shoto is a bit odd

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but I get you

worthy crystal
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Smash characters aren’t shotos

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Because smash isn’t a 2d fighter

balmy parrot
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also I was just ranking these guys off of how much I like them

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not how shoto they are, per se

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I'm not sure I'd consider mitsuru p4au a shoto since she's got charge moves

shrewd furnace
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smash seems 2d enough for me nyaruhodo

worthy crystal
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Charge characters can be shotos sigh

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She has a projectile and a forward traveling special move and a DP

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And good midrange buttons

balmy parrot
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well first we need to set up a definition for a "shoto"

worthy crystal
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Charge character as a descriptor for a character doesn’t encapsulate playstyle

worthy crystal
shrewd furnace
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guile is my favorite shoto ngl

worthy crystal
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Also wait just realized Seth isn’t on the list

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But oni and evil ryu are

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That’s crazy

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I guess technically no DP

balmy parrot
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I consider moves that serve as a reversal similar in concept to a shoryu and moves that serve as a projectile as important to the identity of a shoto but generally I think a "shoto" is a (typically) main character with little gimmicks that serve as an intro to the game they're from

worthy crystal
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I don’t really agree with that

balmy parrot
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well, also a jack-of-all-trades

worthy crystal
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I think those attributes often lend themselves to characters who are shotos but

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Es for example is not a main character and has multiple gimmicks

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And is definitely a shoto

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Ky has had a very centralizing gimmick in xrd and a pretty present one in strive

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Dan, sakura, etc aren’t main characters

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Many many many snk shotos both have gimmicks and also aren’t main characters

balmy parrot
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well es is the protagonist of (at least one entry in) xblaze and is pretty easy and a good intro to cf for many

worthy crystal
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Easy characters can still have gimmicks

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Blazblue is kind of a case study in that

balmy parrot
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to be fair, I've played mark of the wolves like once or twice and outside of that I have no experience with snk games

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so that's like outside my peripheral

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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Well sure that’s why they’re easier

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Certainly still gimmicky though

balmy parrot
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I suppose

worthy crystal
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You can play es and pretend she doesn’t even have a gimmick and just use normal special moves and press drives like they’re just weird combo buttons (they mostly are anyways)

small furnace
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i think gimmicks def can dq a character from being a shoto for having a gimmick but also meh

worthy crystal
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But ragna is the only character in BB where u can just like. Pretend there is no gimmick

small furnace
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depends on the fighter imo

worthy crystal
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Also just realized celica isn’t on the list

worthy crystal
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But I don’t think any gimmick at all is immediately disqualifying

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Like technically Carl is a shoto in version 1.0 of CF

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He has a frame 1 armored move on wake-up smile_evil, a forward traveling special move and a projectile

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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Only 1 of these things was removed from the game

balmy parrot
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extra meter on moves is cool but there's not much going on there

worthy crystal
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Terumis drive is like not a real gimmick yeah but the cancelling supers I think constitutes

small furnace
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man yeah carl was born to be a pos

worthy crystal
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And also if nothing else he’s like the OD turbo character

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Celica drive itself is also just pretty vanilla buttons

balmy parrot
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terumi is a shoto ngl

worthy crystal
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No real projectile

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Don’t say 2d

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In the 34f it takes to startup I IADd at you and landed ch 5b before you were done saying it

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Celica is def a shoto

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Nine is a shithead answer but

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She does have a DP, has many many projectiles, and forward advancing special

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Unironically idk why lambda isn’t on the list she’s actually just a shoto

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Litchi is also kind of shotocoded

balmy parrot
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celica is a pretty unorthodox aesthetic for a shoto but I get you

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
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Well yeah

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That’s like an extreme end of the spectrum

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The very classic bb meme is that Izanami is the best shoto in the game

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The zoomer version is that izayoi is the best shoto in the game (when she’s not in shoto mode)

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Izayoi is also a shoto in my opinion btw

balmy parrot
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new hard rule: shotos can only be MEN

worthy crystal
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When Rachel could wind on wake-up people also made a lot of jokes about how she had the best DP in the game (flying to the top of the screen before her invuln ran out)

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Possibly the worst mechanic ever conceived, word me once again @small furnace

small furnace
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yeah genuine dogshit

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calamity trigger was actual garbage lol

worthy crystal
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That shit lasted until

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CF 1.2

small furnace
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wait fr?

worthy crystal
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THATS the fucking insane part

small furnace
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man blazblue was actual dogshit

worthy crystal
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Carl could wake-up doll in real time

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First year CF was at evo pretty sure Grover won with wake-up doll

small furnace
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ig i was lucky i never interacted with rachel players

worthy crystal
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Kune could also wake-up bugs until that version

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Negative edge worked during techs

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So any applicable situation

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Izanami could wake-up bits with OD (actually LOL)

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Trollest shit ever

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Litchi OD during wake-up was also a famous one from bbcp

balmy parrot
#

I think fighting game archetypes are a spectrum and it ranges from charge to shoto in the middle to rekka

worthy crystal
#

As far as I remember that’s all the negative edge drives in the game

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But the fact there were that many and they just didn’t gaf is crazy

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Rachel uptech up wind into tempest into being +40 into setting up 2 rods from her own knockdown was actually the craziest shit ever

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Now people have to at least backdash into it like real honest Americans

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
#

lambda is a shoto...

worthy crystal
#

She unironically is

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
#

That is… poorly?

balmy parrot
#

yes

worthy crystal
#

Poorly to poorly to poorly

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People say charge character like it’s a playstyle and not just a gameplay characteristic

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Like May and Guile play the same icant

balmy parrot
#

I mean I feel like most charge characters are designed around their charge moves more than like

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"rekka" characters

worthy crystal
#

Bleh

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People also call any character with any multi part special a rekka character

balmy parrot
#

like may and guile are more similar than lambda and yang

worthy crystal
#

In truth imo rekka characters are an extremely dying breed

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Because in the above example, I wouldn’t even call either of the above actual rekka characters

balmy parrot
#

chipp stands alone...

worthy crystal
#

I def don’t think he is icant

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Anime doesn’t rlly do rekka characters

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Dbfz has yamcha i guess

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IMO the most important part of being a quote unquote rekka character is having the variation in your options from rekka

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So that you’re able to effectively build your entire pressure sequence around it

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Noel is kind of an example

balmy parrot
#

that's true but yang is like

worthy crystal
#

But they want her drive to do so much at once I don’t know what to even say about it

balmy parrot
#

nothing without his rekka

worthy crystal
#

Yang is still a divekick

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Wait

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Wrong brother

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I mean he’s still a divekick but

balmy parrot
#

so he's more like a rekka move than a rekka character

worthy crystal
#

Rekka move with a good divekick is crazy

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Kagura is also like halfway a rekka character

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Anime just is weird about it

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I’m sure there’s a ton of examples I’m just forgetting right now

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It’s like actually the tip of my tongue

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I’d call strive ram a rekka character but just because of how insane rekka is

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Fortune in skug

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And technically peacock in skug also icant but that’s cursed

balmy parrot
#

never played skullgirls so eh

worthy crystal
#

Good game

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Fortune rekka is like an actual good example

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Safe mid unsafe high/low

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But it’s also a bad example because fortune barely uses it in pressure because it’s skug

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Enkidu is real example from anime

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Or ogre

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Or ryougi

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
#

Megaho is crazy

balmy parrot
#

P4U2 over on EVO btw

#

I still can't believe

#

that apparently the entire 5 years of ArcSys' development plans got leaked

#

and it's only fucking Strive

#

ever since Strive came out

small furnace
#

ip confidence

balmy parrot
#

next year will be the last year of support for strive though

#

so hopefully we get to see what's next after

small furnace
#

strive x

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followed by xx

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now this time though, we'll finally get x3

worthy crystal
#

Silly goose, we already have strive xxx

faint ice
#

This thread is probably the closest answer we'll get

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Insane modder that already tampers with files and had fun projects like goku in strive etc

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Also daru for evo jp champ 🙏

late frost
balmy parrot
paper notch
#

i rember when they did this with trunks

balmy parrot
vivid furnace
vivid furnace
#

i might have found my umvc3 team

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nova/spencer/doom

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its way different than the task/dorm/doom but like... these characters feel right

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nova feels super clean to play

#

and i already feel like i know the optimal bnb, not even fuckin kidding

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confirm into grounded magic series, sjc magic series except s, flight, magic series, 6h and call spencer, 214h, hard tag doom, i think one rep of footdive and j.236h j.214xx, whatever spencers cinematic is, tk 236h, and then most things there should be dead

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maybe not 'optimal' but the normal bnb

late frost
#

how do the assists feel

late frost
worthy crystal
late frost
#

Oh
Fahkumram is the next T8 character

sage cedar
#

welp season 2 gets even worse with him in game

vivid furnace
#

slant shot feels fine, i just have to call it after i otg instead of before

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centurion rush feels odd but im pretty sure in an actual match it'd feel fine

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i love that box dash j.H is normal on nova, too

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fulfills my inner need of spamming air normals

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some mvc2 cyclops shit, yknow?

worthy crystal
#

The buff vs nerf video is 8 years old now…

boreal hound
#

Bro don't make me feel old, these core A vids are what made me interested in FGs

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Seeing Max go watch the balance vid and mention that made me feel a certain way

balmy parrot
#

it's funny because it's really hard to narrow down BB's roster but GG's roster was already narrowed down for Strive icant

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I'd probably go with

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Sol, Ky, May, Axl, Potemkin, I-No, Zato, Millia
Ragna, Jin, Noel, Rachel, Hazama, Nu-13, Azrael, Tager

shrewd furnace
#

Faust faust faust faust faust faust faust faust

balmy parrot
#

you could maybe replace Zato or I-No with Faust yeah

#

Faust and Rachel interactions would be funny

wicked quarry
#

I'd say Hakumen over Azrael

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Also Arakune over Hazama

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I want war crimes

small furnace
#

cs arakune vs xx dizzy

balmy parrot
#

hazama needs to stay

#

you could cut like tager instead if you really want

wicked quarry
#

Nah Tager has to stay for sure

#

Tbh I picked Hazama because he fills a niche that is already filled but like

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I would prefer both to be in tbf

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I think Hazama is a neat design for sure

balmy parrot
#

it's mostly just because there's a villain quota here and hazama would probably be the main villain with I-No or whatever

small furnace
balmy parrot
#

well it's who I'd pick and I personally hate bridget so

small furnace
#

u hate women!?

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or

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u hate brits!?

balmy parrot
#

no I specifically hate bridget she's annoying

small furnace
#

agreed

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easily the worst part of her being popular: people dont actually main her much

#

shes just a meme in a sense

#

but actually playing vs bridget is awful

balmy parrot
#

trans rights are human rights but this move is like a reverse mlk

small furnace
#

not an honest day's work for her

late frost
haughty zodiac
#

i would've wanted to say nago but yeah can't be replacing the long timers for him

#

surprised at no chipp

teal pebble
#

8 characters is way too short

worthy crystal
#

Missing link has 13 characters and they’re all incredibly iconic in the series

#

xx adds a few more characters that are similarly extremely popular in the series

small furnace
#

strive originals are relatively popular but u can def skip some

#

*xrd

worthy crystal
#

In a pretend world where GGvBB game happens you kind of have to have more gg characters because there just are more gg characters

small furnace
#

but this also applies to strive in a way

worthy crystal
#

But like xx introduced dizzy/jam/bridget/slayer/venom

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And many others

#

Who are faces of the game

small furnace
#

i'ev taken to calling jam an xrd original to piss off specific ppl

worthy crystal
#

Lowk pretty hype for jam in strive btw

small furnace
#

we need more monkeys in strive

worthy crystal
#

She was made for that game I was made for that character I hope they port her data exactly like they did with slayer

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+3 on block low 5k

small furnace
#

yeah she'd go crazy in strive if she had even her xrd frames

worthy crystal
#

imo at least

worthy crystal
#

I just think it’s funny to meme about it with apes like slayer/jam

small furnace
#

despite how annoying carl is in gameplay idt anyone actually gives a shit about him

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there are also more literally whos in blazblue than guilty gear since gg has done a better job at keeping their cast pretty tight with each other

worthy crystal
#

Like truly iconic bb characters are like

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Arakune

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Nu/Lambda

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Ragna/Jin

#

Hazama

small furnace
#

hakumen?

worthy crystal
#

Yeah

small furnace
#

yeah yeah he is

worthy crystal
#

Tager

small furnace
#

kokonoe?

worthy crystal
#

Honestly idk

#

I don’t know what non anime players know about bb because I’m a bb player icant

#

A lot of people know like the extremely extremely memetic characters from BBCT

shrewd furnace
#

Mai nyaruhodo

worthy crystal
#

And then either nothing else or very little else

#

Mai is well known for,

#

Other reasons

shrewd furnace
#

Nine nyaruhodo

worthy crystal
#

True nine is a very well known one

shrewd furnace
#

Both very fun characters

#

No other reason at all

worthy crystal
#

If nine could run I would’ve mained her 6000%

#

Unfortunately I hate teleport dashes

#

Also it’s funny when people talk about cf and still think nine is like top tier hyper broken unbeatable character

#

Sigh,,, the times have changed

#

Rock is now +4 not +23

balmy parrot
#

I mean Nine is still one of the best

#

it's just the competition is Izanami Carl Rachel and maybe Litchi

worthy crystal
#

She’s much worse

#

I think she’s maybe top 10 now charitably

#

And before she was easily the 2nd best in the game

#

She wins obviously but that’s not exactly demonstrative of much when terumi also wins

balmy parrot
#

that's not fair

#

Terumi is top 1

worthy crystal
#

Top 1 at dispensing mids

balmy parrot
#

top 1 at gaining meter

#

top 1 at being cute when I feed him strawberries

worthy crystal
#

In the corner or with OD though sure GatoNerd

shrewd furnace
#

Top 1 at being cute is Mai amenoventi

worthy crystal
#

There are some hyper woke people who say mai is contention for top 4

#

Might be some sicko who thinks she’s actual top 1 too honestly

shrewd furnace
#

Indeed she is top 4 adorable

worthy crystal
#

Disagree…

#

Top 4 is jubei (literal cat) kokonoe (literal half of a cat) Rachel (has a literal cat) and naoto (feral dog boy)

shrewd furnace
#

But can any of them survive Noel’s cooking? I think not nyaruhodo

worthy crystal
#

I’m pretty sure kokonoe has

shrewd furnace
#

Damn, so koko is part of top 4 froom

wicked quarry
#

Smh not even considering the peak cuteness that is Arakune

shrewd furnace
#

True

worthy crystal
#

Shit

#

I left the bb server and don’t have kunebuff anymore

#

Tragedy

shrewd furnace
#

So far it’s ara, Mai, koko froom

worthy crystal
#

Taokaka has also survived Noel’s cooking

shrewd furnace
#

And is a cat

#

Tao top 1

balmy parrot
#

top 4 is hazama, terumi, nu, and adachi from cross tag battle

#

for cuteness, of course

worthy crystal
balmy parrot
#

me to hazama

late frost
#

Mortal Kombat 1 Definite Edition coming out

worthy crystal
#

Good, time for mortal kombat 2

swift fulcrum
vivid furnace
#

huh

worthy crystal
#

Fwara truly the woat

#

Ain’t nobody done it worse than him

worthy crystal
#

@small furnace I was playing melty and it made me remember how walk speed used to matter in fighting games

#

It still does in sf but even in anime walk speed used to be huge

faint ice
shrewd furnace
#

Remember when vakiha walked faster than some characters dashed?

#

Good times

small furnace
worthy crystal
#

It wants to be 2 games at once

#

It wants you to remember how hype mbaac is without actually having any of the hype stuff of mbaac

#

Uni is what I’d say actually gets closest to that feel

worthy crystal
small furnace
#

yeah thinking about it, just sf has important walkspeed nowdays. but like 3 gens ago, there was basically every fighter. even tekken has a ton of approach options and speed has increased. its not bad. just an interesting development

shrewd furnace
#

They should make dashing have more lag

#

Yes it’ll feel a bit clunkier but it’ll make walking more useful

#

Uni is good but wouldn’t call that a Traditional airdasher either

faint ice
#

you can't make dashing weaker nooo

#

we are already in the mud

shrewd furnace
#

The mud is where I thrive NyanGun

worthy crystal
small furnace
#

its faster now

worthy crystal
#

Yeah I just mean like

small furnace
#

and options to approach are a lot more free

#

oh as in

worthy crystal
#

Every character has the same walk speed no?

small furnace
#

yeah

#

tho different characters had different approach speeds

worthy crystal
#

Yeah from diff tools and heat engages etc

#

But standardized walk speed itself makes walking less important

shrewd furnace
#

Remember when sc made sidestep counterhittable KEKW

small furnace
#

8 feels like the walk speed basically is irrelevant tho and approaches all felt super fucking fast

worthy crystal
#

Hime and Vaki walk speed is broken because they can approach at a speed where you can’t escape without committing, but they aren’t actually committing to anything

#

For example

#

But if everyone walks at the same speed that’s not a thing really

#

UI is as close as modern anime got to making walking important icant

#

And he was somehow one of the most hated fg characters of the decade

#

Because he had good defensive tools frogecap

small furnace
#

defense is for chumps

#

i get it tho like a lot of ppl hop on anime fighters bc they are wack

worthy crystal
#

I mean yeah but also ppl bitched about that character so bad bc ???

#

Like all the reasons people ever gave sound so skill issue

faint ice
#

and the tour begins

#

combo breaker next week

faint ice
#

I played chipp for 5 minutes
and now I truly understand why millia is the most annoying playerbase known to man
@worthy crystal

small furnace
wicked quarry
#

... I dont get the connection?

shrewd furnace
#

Chipp players are the biggest downplayers in guilty gear NyanGun

faint ice
wicked quarry
#

Oh

#

Yeah

#

Chipp at least has a DP Nyarutoby

worthy crystal
#

Tightrope made me hate him so much more

faint ice
worthy crystal
#

Chipp needs his HP nerfed even more actually

#

And his DP should be frame 3 invuln

#

Instead of f1

faint ice
#

rope is awkward to get used to ngl

#

but it is definitely broke

worthy crystal
faint ice
#

in a normal game he'd be so broken

#

but legit kudos to whoever makes this work vs pot/leo/johnny

worthy crystal
#

I mean that’s how Chipp is in every game

#

Except the one version of xrd where he’s top 1

#

“This character is insanely broken but because he dies in 1-2 touches against every good character he’s high tier instead”

shrewd furnace
#

Just play better 5head

worthy crystal
#

That one patch in xrd when he was Satan was because they accidentally made him really easy and then also like doubled his damage

#

So he killed everyone as fast as they killed him and he worked less for more reward and better offense

balmy parrot
worthy crystal
#

Seaworld is crazy

worthy crystal
#

Deserved

late frost
vivid furnace
#

yknow if we ever get an mvc4, i want quicksilver on the roster

#

i dont think we've ever had an actual speedster before

worthy crystal
#

@small furnace u know what’s so fucking hype

#

1F links

#

I’ve been playing melty again in case u didn’t notice and I forgot how fucking tight hard execution was

small furnace
#

real

#

actually enjoyable

#

practicing them and landing them in a match made u feel like the next best thing since sliced bread

worthy crystal
#

Ya I just booted up against my friend w c satsuki

#

And I was like there’s no shot I still have the muscle memory for this shit

#

Turns out IM GOATED

#

Hit the 2f 1F 1F loop x2 and came in my pants

small furnace
#

i wonder

#

nowdays theres tech for a lot of shit in older fighters

#

i wonder if theres specific button presses that guarantees the 1f links like theres buttons for iad in +r

worthy crystal
#

You can plink everything to make them an extra 1F

#

That’s not a super new thing but I’m pretty sure they didn’t know about it in arcade days at least

#

Which is why c sats is a character who doesn’t have a lot of legacy players besides sandoori

small furnace
#

oh i didnt know that. guess i've been pretty away from melty tho

paper notch
worthy crystal
#

And as far is remember it wasnt a thing (or at least a super widespread one) when I played the game in the dark ages

small furnace
#

oh even less likely i knew about it. i have never played satsuki or against her idt

worthy crystal
#

I think its for air links

#

Which is a lot of satsuki 1F/2F

#

I actually don’t know if you can do it for her ground links because they all have other ways to stabilize and make more consistent

#

Less hits of 2c is the big one

#

Idk how many other characters have to do links on air normals like that though

#

I don’t even know how many other characters have 1f links in this game besides vakiha

#

And CRoa and Carc

#

CKoha prob does

shrewd furnace
#

Iirc ckoha does but she moreso rewards mastering the basics rather than stuff like that

#

Or was it that non-1f combos had more reward

#

One of the two, I can’t remember

worthy crystal
#

CKoha is just really really hard

#

Idk why because I never played her but she certainly looks incredibly high APM

stoic gazelle
#

why's it so esay to find games in plus r?

faint ice
#

Great matchmaking system

worthy crystal
#

Game is also actually just popular

small furnace
#

series has gotten more popular since but the gameplay imo, is peak in the series

late frost
#

Honestly, there really isn't a good character that can fit this archetype, and I think even in the context of this game Mai is the better example if you pretend her garbage fans don't exist. And before I get any comments on skill loops, try to read the garbage that I put on that one frame. I will admit my knowledge of Chun in 4 is a bit limited....

▶ Play video
worthy crystal
small furnace
#

absolutely

worthy crystal
#

Though partially this is because Elena stole her job, proving his point

shrewd furnace
#

We have fighting game youtubers to thank for plus r’s new popularity nyaruhodo

late frost
#

mahvel 3 at combo breaker

#

also combo breaker

worthy crystal
#

Wdwt mystery tournament is gonna be this year

#

I’m gonna say bloody roar

austere garnet
#

☹️

sage cedar
#

to be honest balance adjustments and fixes are more needed than DLC

gaunt cloud
#

Topic i stumbled on somewhere else

#

How many stance characters is too many in a single roster?

small furnace
#

1

worthy crystal
#

But also stance characters are notoriously not similar to each other in playstyle

#

The same way charge doesn’t denote a playstyle stance doesn’t either

#

Most fighting games actually have 0 stance characters icant but imo at least as long as they each introduce something new to the game there’s no such thing as “too many” of any archetype

#

Besides grapplers

late frost
#

Is this in relation to Tekken 8

#

Because in Tekken
Stances are associated with canned mixups
And in T8 they gave a lot of characters stances with canned mixups
Which contributed to the cast feeling same-y

gaunt cloud
#

Convo did start at tekken yea

late frost
#

It's different than, say, Gen or... the old guy from SFV
Where stances are used to separate options available

#

Chun Li is actually that kind of "canned options out of stance" character in SF6

worthy crystal
#

In anime land stance characters are a whole other thing

#

Because anime already has mix so often stances in those games tend to have much more diverse tools

austere garnet
#

I was very scared t1000 was gonna be left top 1

#

Please don’t end mk1 with t1000 top 1 nrs please

worthy crystal
#

Ok but actual question what are they gonna name the next mortal kombat

#

MK13? MK2? MK 1 (3)?

#

MK1.0.1 coolcat

gaunt cloud
#

MKL

austere garnet
#

But I hope they just go back to the 3d era game names like mk Armageddon and mk deception and give us something like that

#

Mortal kombat:across the multiverse icant

worthy crystal
late frost
worthy crystal
#

Very good video

worthy crystal
#

How was I once so young and sprightly that I could do pit loops @small furnace

#

This is how I know I’m getting old

faint ice
#

this is a 2 hour vod crocodile

worthy crystal
#

I linked a timestamp my young swamp friend

#

Actual nightmare scenario btw I cannot believe people play against this character

#

Pseudo infinite block string where if you mess up the “counterplay” you take 7k damage

faint ice
#

I was kinda like whatever and then I looked at the health bar

#

and god old melty didnt show u shit huh

#

thinking how clear those circles are on tl

#

it's barely a red smudge deciding whether u live or die

worthy crystal
#

Hers are some of the more better defined is the funny thing

#

The traditional pits in this game are like translucent red pngs

#

And like 6 of the 9 Akihas have those

#

5 actually

#

There are some stages that are soft banned because you can’t fucking see stuff like Nero puddles/snakes, seifuku pillar, etc

#

It’s crazy

teal pebble
faint ice
#

@worthy crystal did you see the fenritti return

worthy crystal
#

What game

#

No

balmy parrot
#

today I will play P4AU

#

it's time for Narukami sins

late frost
#

oh
Armor King announced for T8?

faint ice
#

Didn't drop a match

faint ice
#

The next T8 character is gonna be an original also

vivid furnace
#

why are there people pretending like keyboard is a difficult controller for fighting games

#

its just a hitbox with smaller buttons

faint ice
#

Well it's not as nice

#

Obviously usable (at home)

vivid furnace
#

for tourneys yeah

#

offline and parsec tourneys you cant use it

faint ice
#

But between so many keys and easily hitting ones you don't want it can take getting used to

#

Why cant you use parsec keyboard

vivid furnace
#

you really wanna let random people have keyboard access to your computer?

#

there's technically a workaround to have windows register your keyboard as a controller

#

but idk how it works

faint ice
#

Trueeee

#

I've just never played anything with unplayable online tbh

vivid furnace
#

the joys of mahvel netcode

vivid furnace
#

if you use a keyboard for any video games at all, you already have experience not doing this

faint ice
#

I've actually only given keyboard a real try in T7
I hated it personally
But I'm also not a leverless player

#

80% of keyboard users are wasd maybe some numbers/bonus letters and their mouse

vivid furnace
#

asd space and then my standalone numpad when i used it

paper notch
#

ive basically only played keyboard and the only game ive had problems with it was kof

faint ice
#

Asd space numpad definitely makes sense

vivid furnace
#

tried wasd and its just too many buttons for those three fingers if that makes sense

faint ice
#

Games generally default to like IUOL or something (idr the orientation) and that might be part of my dislike

vivid furnace
#

IUOL is foul

faint ice
#

Like

#

Not movement

#

But your buttons

vivid furnace
#

ohhh

#

still bad

#

if i had to use the full keyboard, 12 buttons total, i'd probably do ASD space OP[] KL;'

faint ice
paper notch
#

idk what it was i just couldnt do specific inputs consistently in that game on keyboard

#

i dont even remeber which ones just that i eventually switched to controller

balmy parrot
#

and doing 360's

faint ice
#

Godspeed (but make sure it actually works)

vivid furnace
#

360s, 720s, and those fucked up half circles from gold lewis

#

but then again, i've also figured out how to do mahgnetic blahsts on keyboard, so its just a skill issue

shrewd furnace
#

I use erf space for my movement on keyboard

late frost
#

mayer of erf

mellow palm
#

So is unika just elphelt but slow

gaunt cloud
#

Not really since no rekkas

#

She's more like sin with error 6e instead of stamina

shrewd furnace
#

Powered Ciel let’s go

faint ice
#

Yeah she's sin squared

worthy crystal
#

Her f.s seems good

#

The 5hh follow-up is randomly like +10

gaunt cloud
#

She can also kara cancel into basically her whole kit

#

Seems pretty cool

worthy crystal
#

Would’ve been cooler if there was just a bit more fluidity with her 6h/follow-up normals

#

Also did anyone make comparison videos with the beta version of her icant

#

And/or optimize her super yet

#

Either would be very funny

balmy parrot
#

WE FINALLY HAVE AIRCOMBOS

#

the game is now almost half as good as cross tag

gaunt cloud
#

Oh yea roast how do you feel about greed sever at home?

balmy parrot
#

:)

late frost
late frost
#

Tried to cr.MK xx DR on Zangief
That was fun

vivid furnace
#

did you get scooped

vivid furnace
#

i love the guy but, as it turns out, if a character's too good i kinda dont want to play them

late frost
#

I was definitely scrubbing it out
but I went streaking in Gold so I got a ton of ranked points

#

had to spend a few games retraining my instincts
your panic buttons on Gief are definitely not the same as on Cammy

#

6 frame cr.LP and 7 frame st.LP
wack

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Elena next week
you think we get the Season 3 roster reveal at Summer Games Fest?

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Also just play who you want lol

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shrug its how my brain works i aint gotta explain shit

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Hunter x Hunter Nen Impact demo should be live for PC

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@faint ice unika can loop a +20 ish GC off every HKD

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Pretty cool character

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Semi reversal safe too

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Forget her mickey mouse dp

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Why did they fix stun dipper

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so how kusoge is it

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Look at all those otgs and tell me KEKW

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This game looks so heat

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perfect

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Just needs a YOU HAVE NO HOPE at the end

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You saying umvc3 isn’t a kusoge? NyanGun

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oh its an unbalanced mess but idk if I'd call it kusoge

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it's one of the least kuso kusoges but it is pretty kuso

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a kusoge in the good year of our lord 2025?

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As a reminder
Same devs as (U)MvC3

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you can wavedash btw

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If u compare to the actual match pace of the most infamous kusoge of all time it’s def very in line with those games and their balance

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@faint ice what if I became the villain

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nah but that character gets away with murder just because nobody wants to play him

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Elena is looking like deejay 2 so capcom has all my flowers

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Word

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She looks so tight