Atleast from the trailer
#Fighting Game Chat
marble gate
haughty zodiac
yeah i literally thought from moldybagel vids that this literally felt like dbfz approach
elphelt super grab change is so dumb
also that vid above i think is specifically vikala's forward grab
back grab like she gets her rats carry them
marble gate
Granblue has back grabs????
marble gate
as in the direction you throw in
Oh
paper notch
Twitter
marble gate
Awww that's adora-
haughty zodiac
how is vikala only 3*
pearl burrow
Nah, see base Vikala is a 3*
As soon as the ears go on she's a 5*
And whenever a holiday hits, she becomes a limited 5*
steel gale
how is vikala only 3*
is this about the gacha or does vs do a star system?
haughty zodiac
difficulty
pearl burrow
Oh lol I assumed you were talking about gacha rarity too
haughty zodiac
yeah nah it does difficulty rating like strive
also dunno why 1* means hardest for both either
haughty zodiac
late frost
small furnace
dizzy always
worthy crystal
Yeah but like in a new and unique way
Because apparently what dizzy really needed before was the ability to send you full screen with a HKD from her f.s
worthy crystal
Unless this little ice wind normal ends up being a 6s idk
It looks an awful lot like how her f.s does in older games
She also has the xrd 6h and 2h
gaunt cloud
This shit is looking heinous
i feel like we say this every character release
with the exception of like, aba
worthy crystal
People said this about aba
However I thought baiken looked pretty cap on character guide
A lot of the S1 characters ppl said they seemed ass (and they were)
But since S2 like most of the dlc characters honestly have been pretty good idk
worthy crystal
A lot of the S1 characters ppl said they seemed ass (and they were)
((Besides hc))
marble gate
Dizzy dittos are just gonna be beam clashes
mellow palm
This shit is looking heinous
Bro those wings are gonna be a warcrime
worthy crystal
Bro those wings are gonna be a warcrime
They’re gross but I’m just wondering
If YRC kills them by default
And also if they can actually kill you or not
worthy crystal
It would be astounding if they didn’t
Because as is wings kinda just seem like this characters vehicle to 2/3 touch you
Which while annoying is not a unique quality in this game
And I guess at least that means she can’t spend meter on other stuff
I guess we’ll see how her frame data is in like 4 days
mellow palm
And I guess at least that means she can’t spend meter on other stuff
True her actual super is like 100% tension
But also does like 66%
gaunt cloud
And also if they can actually kill you or not
The guide showed that they cant iirc
So there's that
btw now that wings are in the game we can give baccus sigh to johnny right? Pls he needs it
worthy crystal
True her actual super is like 100% tension
Well she has imperial still
If this character had no reversal I actually would not gaf about her
worthy crystal
~~btw now that wings are in the game we can give baccus sigh to johnny right? Pl...
Juck fohnny oh my lord
Bacchus sigh one of the easiest to hate moves ever
gaunt cloud
Do they disappear on hit
Starter guide did show that they do btw
But yea ngl, i think wings look waaaay better than they actually are
Since between the supers and RCs you wont really have a lot of tension to spend
They also dont do anything when you're actually hitting the opponent
Also apparently they go away if the opponent bursts
small furnace
Well we don’t know frame data on Michael sword
that shit's gonna go + on block
cant have shit in strive
haughty zodiac
that shit's gonna go + on block
bet it will be cursed given that balance patch video
tbh feel pros were overstating its over with that video like its not gonna showcase nerfs and some stuff people didn't notice either
like goldlewis's behemoth typhoon cancelling required his secondary meter to do and nago 2nd super nuked his own health bar
faint ice
~~btw now that wings are in the game we can give baccus sigh to johnny right? Pl...
requesting johnny buffs 
faint ice
like goldlewis's behemoth typhoon cancelling required his secondary meter to do ...
typhoons cancelling into eachother SHOULD need security and losing the same amount you would from blood rage immediately is hardly a nerf
no it's not literally over but there is some wild stuff coming
faint ice
I'm hearing they straight reworked her
worthy crystal
I just started watching the game spot gameplay
Rock looks a bit different but I can’t tell how
faint ice
I think rock's the same
worthy crystal
Full combos off dauro at any range on any type of hit
Why did this character get this much love
They better have made 5h like -50 on block
Dizzy has air bubble?
That they didn’t show in the guide??
Timestamped
What is this
worthy crystal
Well it’s not really like
How bubble used to work
But that really does just look like fire bubble
And like I’m pretty sure we saw all her air normals
Have character guides ever left out moves??
Not terribly familiar with Faust stuff in strive so can’t tell if there’s anything whack about that
vivid furnace
FDB reflects nearly all projectiles now
gaunt cloud
We removed potemkin's ability to kara cancel -> + K
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
marble gate
> We removed potemkin's ability to kara cancel -> + K
Wait I didn't see this
Ahe.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
worthy crystal
https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-2340/
Elphelt now has red WA lol @faint ice
vivid furnace
pot buster does have increased range to compensate, but i'unno if its enough to compensate for no kara cancel
(as if i play guilty gear strive enough to know 
)
worthy crystal
The actual compensation is that they made it fucking armored 
vivid furnace
it is omega based
worthy crystal
If pot could pull up on my ass with 6k Kara pb and still have armor you’d never see me start up a gg game again
Anyways the ino changes are cool
balmy parrot
maybe I should pick up elphelt...
faint ice
Elphelt now has red WA lol <@199566048750469120>
Twitter
HUH
I need coffee before reading these changes
worthy crystal
It’s fucking insane
Tell me why they increased every characters defense just to turn around and increase slayer ram may etc damage
haughty zodiac
why do they keep making nago more boring?
also i thought from the trailer that it just like applied all the blood rage damage taken since it ends the state sooner... nope
wicked quarry
Ok so the Millia change was legit just "you can cancel moves from aerial backdash slightly faster"
Feels like the JD change is more relevant than that, wonder why they didnt showcase it
Also more health, which ... I guess matters?
Wait wasn't Goldlewis already good?
haughty zodiac
Also more health, which ... I guess matters?
this is most characters though
majority got defense modifier change that helps them and then some others got guts buff or nerf
i haven't played nago under non cancellable 6H so going back with the 5H change bet he's gonna be no drip now
wicked quarry
Ok now I'm confused
I figured defense would be the big Millia buff but other characters got more buffed defense-wise
It just feels like they barely buffed her
Hell they even snuck in a Kapel nerf
haughty zodiac
i think they decided to make it so whilst people got more combo buffs it wasn't a straight die faster update aside from a few they wanted to rebalance to be less durable
small furnace
Hell they even snuck in a Kapel nerf
being a millia main means u understand that u are still paying for the sins of xx and xrd
it also means u are probably also thinking of picking up another character and/or already did
haughty zodiac
also so behemoth typhoon cancels have to be in the same direction
wicked quarry
it also means u are probably also thinking of picking up another character and/o...
Well I did that and then dropped the game 
... though that was also just because no character truly clicked with me the way BB Hibiki did
Also I swear Chipps Alpha Blades looked faster
Btw what made Johnny actually good?
wicked quarry
In Strive I mean, before this patch
Did they make his dash faster or let him dash block?
wicked quarry
paper notch
+2
marble gate
+2
vivid furnace
-2
faint ice
Did they make his dash faster or let him dash block?
faster add in mist finer and far slash
and you got a spicy functional character
wicked quarry
Maybe I should try Johnny again
balmy parrot
why can mist finer destroy projectiles now lmao
worthy crystal
Did they make his dash faster or let him dash block?
Dash recovers 3f faster or something
So he gets a lot of better strings than he did before
Turn up dash c.s is gapless now
covert void
why do they keep making nago more boring?
Arc system has a favorite vampire
haughty zodiac
Arc system has a favorite vampire
wait even 2H also got the same change
wtf even is this change
gaunt cloud
Man
You cant cancel hammerfall into super now
That really sucks
They also nerfed backwards megafist which is ???????????
faint ice
back megafist was ac cheap tho
vivid furnace
yknow what im gonna give ggst another try
lets see if i still think its clunky after messing around with akuma in sf6
wicked quarry
why can mist finer destroy projectiles now lmao
Because Drone needs to be punished
faint ice
They gave a lot of his power budget to blood rage which I'm not sure I like
Slayer apparently just slides across dizzy ice so it's a good day to be dandy
haughty zodiac
dizzy's wings are mostly horizontal right so you can jump over it ?
worthy crystal
https://vxtwitter.com/jersey_cuP/status/1851896283902156819?t=U3Ot6elL9IN-MywoD0...
Fuck this kusoge ass game
Tell me why goldilocks and ram got bigger buffs than zato
worthy crystal
@faint ice gio walks so fast with meter
faint ice
Daisuke's vision
https://vxtwitter.com/Kizzie_Kay/status/1851903079475707977
welcome back deejay sf6
faint ice
Streets are saying ram may be top 1
https://vxtwitter.com/KodaYami/status/1851952099845685614
@worthy crystal
worthy crystal
Yeah I have no fucking idea what they were doing with this character
They killed axl combos btw
But ram gets to do that
faint ice
Yeah idk what the axl vision was
they gave nago kara bite in the same patch they removed it from buster?...
worthy crystal
God is dead
I won’t lie I didn’t read half the characters notes
Just the ones where I was vaguely interested in how they wanted to change them
Apparently they hate axl I guess
Is sol not also godlike
worthy crystal
With these changes
They basically undid every 6s nerf they ever made with the vortex buff
cosmic forge
How’s Faust now
gaunt cloud
Storing is actually decent now since you can rethrow the item close to you
In exchange they took mini faust behind the shed and decapitated him with an axe
cosmic forge
Oh
gaunt cloud
https://vxtwitter.com/jersey_cuP/status/1851896283902156819?t=U3Ot6elL9IN-MywoD0...
I'm gonna be honest
I was hoping the BT buffs only applied to the grounded versions
What in the fuck is that
gaunt cloud
Oh yea btw
Garuda is treated as a projectile now
So you cant get counterhits and everyone in the game with an anti projectile tool gets to fucking ignore half of your pressure
On top of not being able to do kara garuda anymore
They literally decided to do a lobotomy on pot and make him unable to do anything other than p.buster and i'm forced to watch it unfold
faint ice
I should boot up and check
but the projectile change was on purpose p sure
cuz no guard crush means fd & deflect shield would just negate garuda completely
so they made it a projectile
faint ice
I remember reading his notes that on paper he is probably stronger
but thats not what ppl are unhappy about right
gaunt cloud
The patch in general feels alienating
Specially to nago axl and pot who got their sauce taken
Even if they're maybe stronger now
Which is already bad in a vaccum but then you look over to what ppl like goldlewis got and you're like 
faint ice
Yeah I don't even know if axl got better
gaunt cloud
Oh yea btw
Even with the range increase buster is still shorter than pre patch kara buster
You cant even connect it at roundstart
And the armor only applies on frame 5 so you cant use it on defense
worthy crystal
Yeah I don't even know if axl got better
He definitely did
They just killed his combo routing
It seems like they want every axl combo to literally be button button rensen
Unless you’re time stopping
But like rensen on a motion is a very nice change and all his shit got higher damage
But it’s like weird that they spent all these patches giving characters more sauce just to randomly start taking it away
faint ice
ngl this is sick
https://vxtwitter.com/gou4th_fab/status/1851945654538637516
I can't take these goldlewis clips seriously
https://vxtwitter.com/odawara114514/status/1851911848469369233
gaunt cloud
Hammerfall hkd into garuda oki doesnt leave you in pot buster range anymore
So uhhhhhh
How's sf6 yall?
Game is on sale rn so thinking of picking it up
faint ice
It's actually genuinely good
It's obv a different type of fighter
but also fundamentally you're gonna be playing with links over cancels
zangief is very strong if that's an appeal to you
faint ice
he's okay, he hasn't returned to his release peak (but lowkey he never should)
worthy crystal
ngl this is sick
https://vxtwitter.com/gou4th_fab/status/1851945654538637516
Wait does he have blue now?
faint ice
yes
worthy crystal
Oh that’s why garuda doesn’t gc now
faint ice
som1 predicted it lmao
https://vxtwitter.com/daawnwhisp/status/1813587323348783195
worthy crystal
https://x.com/nakids1284/status/1851936318785491453 this made me throw up
Twitter
The 236s sword stays on hit??
faint ice
she doesn't pick up swords anymore
oh u mean
getting mashed on and it still explodes
yeah LOL
haughty zodiac
this patch i thought was gonna be hype but i prob won't come back since nago got gutted
haughty zodiac
ok that's fucking stupid
marble gate
haughty zodiac
https://fxtwitter.com/envy_fgc/status/1851940255244472329
wtf did that moves damage get buffed since ages ago?
worthy crystal
It got buffed this patch yeah
worthy crystal
y he so fast
Probably some weird kara thing with the ice floor momentum
I’d assume a couple bugs would be changed with ice floor
haughty zodiac
https://vxtwitter.com/osarutakkun/status/1851986787675382265
they legit put the sparking balance dude on this
is that just an infinite until it inches you to the wall?
worthy crystal
Ky already had DI infinites
haughty zodiac
would burst get them out since i'd assume a following projectile would still hit them?
worthy crystal
This one is just way funnier
faint ice
watch this lmao
https://vxtwitter.com/HiFightTH/status/1851989610311848048
faint ice
would burst get them out since i'd assume a following projectile would still hit...
burst is full screen
worthy crystal
Does cse stay on hit
worthy crystal
watch this lmao
https://vxtwitter.com/HiFightTH/status/1851989610311848048
Did they reduce wall damage??
worthy crystal
Yeah it seemed like nago was going way longer than he used to without stick in that clip
The zansetsu nerf is so funny I won’t lie
Fuck that character
haughty zodiac
burst is full screen
guess never had a scenario come up like that when i played
faint ice
it's hc's fault dw
gaunt cloud
Kind of nago's too
worthy crystal
It was mostly HC though
mellow palm
watch this lmao
https://vxtwitter.com/HiFightTH/status/1851989610311848048
So long gay Dizzy
mellow palm
Bro is just sonic the hedgehog now I guess
worthy crystal
Maybe in the sense that everyone else is playing party mode
wicked quarry
That and apparently the Kapel nerf matters more than any of the buffs she got
worthy crystal
I completely do not believe that
She can link jump normal into 5k pretty consistently
Millia players in strive are renowned for being insane downplayers so don’t believe what you read on Twitter
gaunt cloud
zato and millia bottom 2 power couple
gaunt cloud
Maybe in the sense that everyone else is playing party mode
I meeean
"Everyone else" is just like, 5 people
worthy crystal
Add a 1 before that number maybe
wicked quarry
She can link jump normal into 5k pretty consistently
Backdash jump normal, or regular jump normal?
worthy crystal
Kapel air normal
That’s what I’m talking about
The kapel “nerf” lets her confirm into HKD on kapel normal hit far more often
wicked quarry
Oh
Ok that might be neat then
Noooot really enough to keep up with whatever the fuck the rest of the cast is doing but neat
worthy crystal
I mean she’s probably in the same position she was last season too
wicked quarry
Idk what the Johnny changes do but apparently his mist finer cuts through absolutely every projectile
worthy crystal
Good character but volatile matchups means she’s normally just a bracket ruiner
wicked quarry
Get fucked drone (which GL players wont be using lmao)
gaunt cloud
"Everyone else" is just like, 5 people
Its like what, Lewis, ram, sol, chipp, anji, baiken, gio, ... leo?
Due to this patch
worthy crystal
Its like what, Lewis, ram, sol, chipp, anji, baiken, gio, ... leo?
Nago changes were looney tunes sin is doing insane shit HC got even more buffs to his offense that he didn’t need
And Johnny lol
gaunt cloud
Idt those 3 are doing smth crazy compared to the other ones
And johnny is literally just the same guy as last patch
worthy crystal
Just because it’s not some visually zany insane combo doesn’t mean it’s not absolute batshit balance changes
Johnny mist finer buff is extremely good lol
gaunt cloud
It is but not "party mode" good lmao
worthy crystal
Also the sin changes are actually unhinged what
Like are we looking at the same character
gaunt cloud
Idk, barely saw ppl testing him
worthy crystal
Because he’s a white bread character and everyone wants to hit ram rekka1 27 times in one combo
But that character is on some demon shit
gaunt cloud
Taking your word for it, then
worthy crystal
Daisuke's vision
https://vxtwitter.com/Kizzie_Kay/status/1851903079475707977
Vile
faint ice
Its like what, Lewis, ram, sol, chipp, anji, baiken, gio, ... leo?
ino is looping hcl, dizzy is definitely invited to the party, nago in blood rage is looney tunes, I think the s3 characters have party design tbh
mellow palm
The Dizzy party?
paper notch
Twitter
faint ice
The anji changes are way too funny
because they keep upping his meme potential
and then nerfing the only serious move in nagiha
worthy crystal
Didn’t nagiha get another buff
Mixed change I guess
Better ender worse for block strings
worthy crystal
Mario party 
gaunt cloud
Cant believe they turned strive into a guilty gear game 
faint ice
Didn’t nagiha get another buff
knockback is just getting punished on block tbh
max range kara nagiha was hard to punish for multiple chars getting pushed away
worthy crystal
Well now you can just RPS with another fuujin
balmy parrot
Cant believe they turned strive into a guilty gear game <:pensivecowboybread:737...
a guilty gear game with wallbreak is the dumbest shit ever
gaunt cloud
Its crazy how they manage to turn the corner into even more of a snowball
worthy crystal
It’s funny because when wallbreak got announced as a mechanic people said it ruined combos and made offense ass
gaunt cloud
It’s funny because when wallbreak got announced as a mechanic people said it rui...
But in hindsight i think this was a result of people not knowing how much control you had over the wallbreak
Like yea if it broke if you did any 2 hits on the corner it would kinda suck
worthy crystal
I mean realistically
Wallbreak (without the WA situation) is much better than the alternative universe honestly
In terms of snowballing when you hit corner
You can’t really make a fighting game where the corner doesnt snowball unless you start bringing up kuso or character specifics
worthy crystal
But in hindsight i think this was a result of people not knowing how much contro...
Also no people were definitely spitting about it making combos way drier compared to xrd
As a mechanic it’s like specifically designed to fuck with characters like millia/zato/ setplay as a whole
gaunt cloud
I wouldnt say it affects just setplay, i think
Chars like ram, gio, may, etc are all very affected by it existing
worthy crystal
Everyone is affected by it
But it’s very hard to look at what was good in xrd and say that wallbreak wasn’t designed with basically exactly that in mind
gaunt cloud
Fair enough
worthy crystal
But also forcing a neutral reset inherently means it exists to circumvent setplay and guessing on wakeup
By buffing positive bonus and a couple other changes they’ve slowly made wallbreak a more positive situation but it’s still definitely far preferred compared to idk
Holding ram swords in the corner for 17 years
Or getting GC looped by dick
gaunt cloud
Yea for sure
The way the game is currently designed WB is better than endless corners but i wouldnt say WB is necessarely good
worthy crystal
I mean again
worthy crystal
You can’t really make a fighting game where the corner *doesnt* snowball unless ...
.
If there was a knockdown/wallbreak/whatever type of situation in any fighting game that wasn’t favored to the person who scored the knockdown you’re playing an extremely unenjoyable game (samsho)
gaunt cloud
I mean again
I agree
worthy crystal
And as far as fighting games go strive is actually uh…
Not so terribly unbalanced
As much as people might not want to hear it
late frost
I miss the days when corner protection wasn't standard
gaunt cloud
Sf6 has corner protection?
worthy crystal
You get wallstuck in the corner which leads to worse combos
Not quite as severe as strive though
shrewd furnace
I just wish being able to jump into the corner while you’re cornering your opponent was more standard
worthy crystal
I’m glad it’s not 
Corner is already very bad for defense if you still had to hold left rights sheesh
Look at bbct tager
shrewd furnace
I know, it’s funny to do
gaunt cloud
Look at bbct tager
Based?
balmy parrot
You can’t really make a fighting game where the corner *doesnt* snowball unless ...
fighting game but the corner is a pinball bumper and it flies them to the opposite corner of the stage with no hkd and 50 meter and 50 dollars in your pocket
worthy crystal
fighting game but the corner is a pinball bumper and it flies them to the opposi...
Skullgirls
This is literally skullgirls
That’s the other end of the bad knockdown spectrum
Game that fully disincentivizes knockdowns to the degree that you just reset your opponent 3 times and kill them
Unless you’re one of like 2 characters
gaunt cloud
Skullgirls <:ICANT:1012057045098311781>
Is it?
Last time i checked the corner worked normally
late frost
not about the corner specifically
moreso that oki is so disincentivized that reseting is preferred
shrewd furnace
It’s moreso that resetting is so strong and easy why not just do that
You get much more rewarded too
late frost
that said
take me back to SF4
jumping crossup atomic suplex back into the corner
capcom give me back crossup splash in the corner
worthy crystal
Last time i checked the corner worked normally
Wallbounces in skullgirls are pretty bad if you don’t immediately confirm them
worthy crystal
It’s moreso that resetting is so strong and easy why not just do that
Non hkds are also actually just bad
Rolls are really good in skullgirls
wicked quarry
So Millia doesnt get left/right from Kapel into 2D anymore
That's kinda rough
JD buff looks to be good though
You can get conversions from JD in a lot more situations
faint ice
crazy they added baiken to the videogame
worthy crystal
For the 2nd time…
worthy crystal
I really can’t believe they just made her xrd again though
haughty zodiac
covert void
Started playing skullgirls
late frost
worthy crystal
Started playing skullgirls
Based
worthy crystal
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haughty zodiac
balance video song uploaded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vrlu5Wr8Og
worthy crystal
Twitter
@faint ice they did not test this patch it cannot be
Have you seen the goldlewis glitch yet
worthy crystal
Did you seriously think they would make this character bad
worthy crystal
Twitter
faint ice
banger
wicked quarry
worthy crystal
@faint ice elphelt rekka ender wall bounce is such an insane pointless change like it does literally nothing as far as I can tell
Like the rest of the buffs were beyond nice but that’s just such a weird thing to do
worthy crystal
<@199566048750469120> elphelt rekka ender wall bounce is such an insane pointles...
I lied it lets you link max risc rekka H into c.s point blank in the corner
I guess actually it gives you easier ways to steal corner
Which counts for something
But with grenade super buff you’re always just wall breaking still
worthy crystal
Also wow gio changes feel really good
faint ice
gio is so lowkey juiced @worthy crystal
vivid furnace
i actually labbed dbfz last night for a while, cell is still an absolute blast to play
truly a perfect character
just trying to get bnbs down for my main team and play around with sparking combos, as well
honestly no clue what optimal sparking combos are anymore, is it genuinely just 'mash extra special moves wherever you can'?
gaunt cloud
Not exactly because scaling kinda fucks you up if you do it suboptimally
worthy crystal
honestly no clue what optimal sparking combos are anymore, is it genuinely just ...
Some characters it kinda just is that simple
But not all
worthy crystal
gio is so lowkey juiced <@364939622343507988>
I forgot this character had a privileged c.s that’s crazy
It’s very fortunate they removed the guard crush from enhanced 236k because otherwise I’d be crying rn
But she still deals so much damage and now she has like turbo super consistent HKDs off like everything besides f.s lol
And ofc with WA she can do that too
I was looking at actually maybe picking up her or elphelt this patch
Or if I have a joker arc I might finally play Ram
faint ice
I was looking at actually maybe picking up her or elphelt this patch
I think they're both insane choices
elphelt not being a gimmick will be a decision regretted later
worthy crystal
I think they're both insane choices
Idk is elphelt really that crazy now
Like she seems good but like is it really that different with red
worthy crystal
Well I lowkey thought she was able to do that last patch too
But she kinda seems like idk
The same general area gio was in the last patch
Good consistent etc
Gio can actually currently do f.s ch enDP
And get crazy damage I guess
Idk if this characters routing really changed though
And apparently if they’re close enough she can just do 2h 214h 6s
And get a hkd like that
vivid furnace
Some characters it kinda just is that simple
ill just do my normal combos in sparking then
maybe ill learn cell loops, they should still work
vivid furnace
i can go 2m 5m 6h-6h 6h-6h 5s 5h as ss4geta
this is actually kinda fucked hold up
i can make it even dumber 
2m 5m 6h-6h 5s 6h-6h 5s 5h
cant repeat the 6h-6h 5s any further
vivid furnace
this should not work but it does (apologies for 30fps, apparently my 580 8gb cant handle playing a 2d fighter and recording in 1080p 60fps)
worthy crystal
@faint ice do u wanna do some gaming
In maybe 30-35 minutes
I think I’m actually feeling Ram this patch it might be time to embrace my villain arc
faint ice
I'm literally omw to open product unfort
faint ice
Yeah might be back before it's late in NA
worthy crystal
Sometime in the next 10 hours
faint ice
He's not my thing but chipp is very cool
I think it's funny fab won a tourney with new pot immediately
worthy crystal
I won’t lie the way it feels to control wall/rope run feels so weird
faint ice
Did you ever do the s1 wall break combo
worthy crystal
Because I actually picked up chip for a little while in xrd when he was top 5 and millia was unplayable and that character was extremely fun
faint ice
I think it's just something you get used to
worthy crystal
I think it's just something you get used to
It just feels much more bland compared to how wall cling worked in xrd
And rope specifically I tried fucking around with and it’s like kinda closer but just feels very strange to me
Why can nago combo into bite now btw I hate it here
Can they please just let these characters die
faint ice
Twitter
wicked quarry
Walter ended up sticking with Millia? Damn
faint ice
Strong players on hc millia despite patch
Walter plays chipp Johnny too but his bracket run was millia only
wicked quarry
Im surprised, Id have figured hed switch to Johnny
worthy crystal
Strong players on hc millia despite patch
Is hc not like pretty juiced actually
faint ice
I think scapegoat is a real nerf
worthy crystal
If you look at his matchup spread in general like all the nasty characters he does well against
faint ice
He's still strong ofc
worthy crystal
It just forces him to play more aggressively but isn’t that what people were already doing with him
faint ice
Jack is also cracked like tops every tns entered and evo
wicked quarry
Scapegoat is the big one yeah
From what I understand it makes his matchups against some key characters way worse
worthy crystal
Idk I just can’t imagine hc ever being like not extremely strong unless they actually gimp his mechanics
Which they will probably never do
His actual design philosophy just lends itself extremely well to the game
faint ice
His design is evergreen yeah they should just remove whiff gunshot but hey
If i can one shot him now on a brawler I'll take it
wicked quarry
Im more surprised about Millia yeah
worthy crystal
Character does the same thing she did last patch shrug
wicked quarry
Mostly because theres debate now if she is bottom 1 from what I understand
worthy crystal
As I said before millia players will say literally anything about that character and you should not believe them
faint ice
She's not great but her design will always have a wincon
And unfortunately that's prob why she got strays
wicked quarry
As I said before millia players will say literally anything about that character...
Oh this isnt Millia players, this is people in general
worthy crystal
People in general are pretty stupid 
I can’t imagine her really being too far from where she was last patch
worthy crystal
You can still confirm into ground string to HKD at a not inconsistent level lol
wicked quarry
Problem is you dont get the proper Mix
Youre always same-side after Kapel into HKD
faint ice
No mix was an intentional choice yeah
wicked quarry
You do, but you get it at close to max range
Between her one good move being significantly less good, her now having the lowest health in the game and her already not being a strong character and being nerfed in a patch where most characters got omega-buffed put her into a pretty rough state
worthy crystal
I’m not saying she got like sneaky buffed or whatever I just can’t imagine the nerfs severely hamper her to the degree she’s now bottom 1, and I would not be so quick to start proselytizing about the doom of the character in a game where she has pretty historically been a pretty badly downplayed character for most of its lifespan
wicked quarry
I ... wouldnt say Millia has historically been downplayed in Strive
Shes usually been rated pretty accurately
worthy crystal
I think that’s extreme kap(el)
The character has never been great but the way that people discuss her (especially millia players) has very often just been like insane
wicked quarry
Like she was usually rated around the middle to bottom half of the middle
gaunt cloud
Milla cant be bottom 1 because that's where zato is
wicked quarry
Minus Drone patch where she was genuinely kinda bad just because her worst matchups were dominant
gaunt cloud
worthy crystal
Drone patch is not a very accurate descriptor but I do know when you’re talking about
wicked quarry
I forgor the number
worthy crystal
But people go on a cycle pretty often of talking about how millia is bottom 3 lol
And by about halfway through the patch they realize she still has an extremely hard to engage with wincon
wicked quarry
None of the people I listen to occasionally for insight into the meta have tbh
worthy crystal
I forgor the number <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Last patch of season 1 I’m pretty sure
Was when they made goldlewis really good the first time
Whatever patch it was that made Baiken and jacko demon characters too
Maybe season 2 actually then idk
What season did they get rid of the rekka heavy counterhit stuff
Because that’s when baiken began her doom arc
wicked quarry
Second to last apparently
worthy crystal
Then yeah at some point in S2
I think very early then
Season 2 was a very whack game
The last version of it was ok
wicked quarry
But yeah no Millia has been generally speaking below average in the game, and this patch really just hit her hard
worthy crystal
But up to that point it was like unplayable
worthy crystal
Probably
Idk how that character can actually win the game rn
Faust also seems a little pain
Golf club looked insane until I saw the hurt box
worthy crystal
But yeah no Millia has been generally speaking below average in the game, and th...
I agree but I also think the negative impacts are overstated to an extent and that other characters are also riding a similar struggle bus starting from a worse spot than she was in
gaunt cloud
Yea faust kinda HAS to commit to his rng more now
wicked quarry
Zato, Axl and Millia are the 3 Ive heard in discussion
gaunt cloud
Its weird
worthy crystal
Also the j.2k nerf makes that character look fucking miserable too
wicked quarry
I think what also really hurts Millia is that Goldlewis is top 3 (top 2?) again
worthy crystal
Well her existence the last season or so has kind of existed in a fluctuating state
Of “really scary character in certain matchups so you see her as a secondary and wonder why people think she’s bad”
And then you see her vs like idk
Sol
I think they’ve slowly been stealing her job though adding more and more setplay options for characters
On characters who have a much less volatile neutral than her
The wild assault nerf actually was extremely bad for her
mellow palm
How is dizzy shaping up to be
gaunt cloud
Needs more time in the lab
worthy crystal
Gonna be real people have spent more time ice memeing than actually learning how she works
But people seem to think she’s solid at least
gaunt cloud
People havent figured out WoL setups at all yet, yea
worthy crystal
People have started to lab them out
There’s a not inconsiderable amount of people who think wings are unnecessary on a broad level and I’m not entirely inclined to disagree
wicked quarry
Theyre kind of a gimmick probably
gaunt cloud
I think its ok to force them to intreact with you
worthy crystal
I mean I’ve seen setups where they’re actually uninteractable but
gaunt cloud
But the move itself is meh
worthy crystal
On a large scale it just seems better to use meter
But like if people haven’t seen it she has an actual TOD from CH 2h
With wings
Starting at 0 meter
gaunt cloud
Like, you do wings full screen, they have to commit, then you punish their aggression with super
worthy crystal
They don’t have to commit to anything if you do wings at full screen
worthy crystal
Until you start running at them they can just sit it out
And if you’re popping in neutral you’re probably wasting meter in the end
Also acting like 2/3 of the roster don’t have one of the most insane whiff punishing pressure starting offense enabling consistently accessible tools in the game
If I’m full screen and wanna force them to interact with me and I have 100 meter I’m just probably doing fish RC spear or something
gaunt cloud
Probably
worthy crystal
Also I didn’t realize how easy it is to do the skyfish glitch
I guess it wouldn’t be a new season patch without a hyper consistent way to break the game
gaunt cloud
I just want to know how its possible on a programming level
How tf is it possible to just go to the background?
worthy crystal
Are both parts of a stage loaded separately
That’s the only thing I could think of
faint ice
ok lemme boot up
faint ice
<@199566048750469120> make room?
636235
gaunt cloud
Do you even spend security on anything other than T Y P H O O N now?
worthy crystal
Drone is good still isn’t it
faint ice
drone's still good
worthy crystal
Holy buffer cooked me
worthy crystal
What even was that
faint ice
absolute defence apparently
worthy crystal
Just playing all the demons
faint ice
the char im actually learning
worthy crystal
Did they buff fireball recovery at some point
worthy crystal
This characters buttons are randomly so good
worthy crystal
I’m curious about this one…
I’m like actually so washed with this character though so don’t be mean
This sounds unplayable I won’t lie
faint ice
the vacuum??
faint ice
nah im trolling some confirms tbf
faint ice
when u have to respect this character lol
worthy crystal
The f.s buff on its own makes her feel so much nicer
And 6ps being worse
Like the parry buff is obviously insane but they made this character not feel like torture to play
C.s whiffed?????
worthy crystal
It has to be full charge
faint ice
the rin change is CRINGE
faint ice
KM DEAD
faint ice
while that was a massive waste of meter
faint ice
why is this GL level gc
worthy crystal
I always forgot that kou is the size of a plane
faint ice
in kou we trust
but why is everything gc
im just looking at my controller waiting for it to end lmao
prob calling it
I also gotta check if im just rusty or if I wanna use a diff dpad
not happy with my quarter circle success rate at all, not normal
worthy crystal
but why is everything gc
Idk like i have to know the frame data
But if the rekka gc is as good as it looks this character is cooked
ggs
faint ice
ggs
worthy crystal
@faint ice rekka2 gc is -4/5 and rekka 3gc is +1…?
You can mash on enhanced rekka3 always but if she CHs you with normal rekka3 you die still
faint ice
@worthy crystal ram sword explosions got confirmed as a bug
they will stop when she gets hit
worthy crystal
Thank god
faint ice
guard crush on whiff is also a bug LOL
faint ice
Do we know if 236s sword itself staying on hit is on purpose
sword shouldnt be coming out if interrupted
worthy crystal
Oh word
vivid furnace
oh sword
worthy crystal
Twitter
The sabrobato buff is so unbelievably unnecessary btw @faint ice why does she just get to do that
faint ice
The sabrobato buff is so unbelievably unnecessary btw <@199566048750469120> why ...
there's too many ram moves you could name for the same sentence
faint ice
He's bullshit in the best way possible <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
simply spin
simply win
gaunt cloud
The smt thread is one above this one
velvet wren
The smt thread is one above this one
Thought this was video games for some reason, sorry, love not paying attention
worthy crystal
@faint ice is testament real now?
Like do I have a reason to play them over ram yet
faint ice
I think testament is stuck in the forever void of okay
Like the buff was good
Stain throw is hella relevant
But it's still test
gaunt cloud
Btw how's bed rn?
faint ice
Better got nice cash out, especially being tankier with stronger specials, bed mains are rare though so idk if he'll be prevalent
gaunt cloud
I see
faint ice
After the dust settling, Potemkin is definitely better btw
I understand it's not what people wanted but it's noticeable
gaunt cloud
Yea makes sense
worthy crystal
After the dust settling, Potemkin is definitely better btw
Did anybody actually think he was worse lol
worthy crystal
I think testament is stuck in the forever void of okay
If they make ram sword buttons less insane I think testament has an actual reason to exist
But you’re literally just doing the same thing as a broken character but worse
Stain throw reward is also like weirdly unable to loop the situation
cosmic forge
@sharp imp i successfully bothered the best belmont player in the world
velvet wren
Does this make you legally the ultimate belmont main?
worthy crystal
@faint ice gaming?
faint ice
you around tomorrow?
cosmic forge
Does this make you legally the ultimate belmont main?
worthy crystal
you around tomorrow?
Possibly
marble gate
balmy parrot
Twitter
mellow palm
Heritage for the future enjoyers:
paper notch
Twitter
late frost
Street Fighter S2 pass is 23% off on some key sites
Contemplating grabbing it
vivid furnace
why havent i tried trunks earlier
he is so goddamn fun in dbfz its insane
ex flips are fast as hell, he's got a pseudo raging demon in 214[s] > 214lm, and he's got good assists
quasi pineBOT
ex flips are fast as hell, he's got a pseudo raging demon in 214[s] > 214lm, and...
Level: 2
[ Zombie / Normal ]
ATK 600 / DEF 600
vivid furnace
perish
teal pebble
vivid furnace
nova pagoda
ok the execution of ghostface in mortal kombat was fucking dope
vivid furnace
AND ITS A FUCKING KEN
crude imp
https://vxtwitter.com/DigitalFGC/status/1856943831716966468
LOL
Also lol people only ever tag JWong because like what the fuck do you tag the goat for? It's so much funnier for another goat to catch this L
vivid furnace
i love how you can actually play themed teams in umvc3
like, trish/dante/vergil is genuinely a cohesive team and not just bc dante and vergil are top 10 characters
chris/nemmy/wesker also works pretty well too, from what i can see
faint ice
Or should I go to gym
I shouldnt prevent ur gains
faint ice
Its 24 hours so I’ll go after if u wanna play
never looked back at chat after this msg...
worthy crystal
Holy
worthy crystal
yeah gaming
Make room
worthy crystal
One moment
This is probably a pain mu
Seems about right
Hcl pretty good when it positively interacts with literally everything
faint ice
im def not playing it right
worthy crystal
Ino is hard to learn the mu for most characters
I didn’t realize how fast his fireball recovered now
faint ice
yeah errors are almost instant
faint ice
im so free to ino on def
worthy crystal
Everyone is bro
It’s literally just 50/50s
That’s like saying ur free into millia
worthy crystal
Ino is actually really fun
I kinda wish they didn’t revert the dive buffs 
But yk the hcl change is very very nice
It also makes her good corner routes much more consistent than they used to be
carmine dove
My school's Smash A Team (not the one I'm on, sadly) made regional playoffs
If I knew more Rool tech I think my team could've got to playoffs too, but I didn't know I needed a Nintendo account linked to my PlayVS account so we couldn't go either way
dreamy mason
gaunt cloud
mellow palm
Society
covert void
vivid furnace
civil war if tony had some guy in his ear yelling 'LIGHT PUNCH MEDIUM PUNCH LIGHT KICK HEAVY PUNCH AH AH AH AH AH AH'
pearl burrow
cosmic forge
How’s Edmond right now in SF6
late frost
He's real
They removed a scrub killer from his moveset
and made him more solid to compensate
covert void
He's street fighting
shrewd furnace
Universal mechanics only
Or just don’t get to that point
That’s the flaw of characters like her
mellow palm
Yeah she’s not for me then oof
I need characters that are more forgiving
Even Asuka seems like he has get off me tools
mellow palm
Idk feels like it’s hard to get back into strive when it seems like everyone has been no lifing this game for a hot minute
vivid furnace
god backwards dp motions kill me
i can do 623 ez but 421 is horrible and i hate it
mellow palm
Ok after playing more strive
Yea I just need a fair and honest fg
This game is too kuso after not playing it for a while
worthy crystal
Son I regret to tell you but if strive is kuso to you then anime fighters might not be it
haughty zodiac
how is strive a kusoge
like the only super jank atm on that level is the ice memes
mellow palm
Son I regret to tell you but if strive is kuso to you then anime fighters might ...
I’m like half joking
worthy crystal
I mean I agree that it’s kuso in the literal sense (shit game) 
mellow palm
It’s just been a minute since I’ve played
balmy parrot
nah I fw it
strive is a different kind of ass than something like hnk or sailor moon I feel
balmy parrot
ace if you haven't I'd recommend getting bbcf or p4au on steam
mellow palm
So getting back into it is tough
worthy crystal
I would actively not recommend that
If strive isn’t your thing
Unless the reason you don’t fw strive is because every character is neutered
In which case cf is the perfect game for you
worthy crystal
strive is a different kind of ass than something like hnk or sailor moon I feel
Sailor moon is actually not real
Can’t believe people even pretend to enjoy that
mellow palm
Unless the reason you don’t fw strive is because every character is neutered
Nah it’s kinda the opposite
Every character feels insane so it’s hard to get back in
worthy crystal
Holy stick to sf2
mellow palm
Last game I played was sf6
So maybe it’s been rubbing off
Maybe I just need to play a glue eater character for a bit
worthy crystal
Pick slayer
mellow palm
Is he glue chug
worthy crystal
Very
But he dies faster now and has no reversal so it’s a bit harder to play on defense
Still has belligerent frame data and normals though
mellow palm
I’ll check him out
Might be time to ignite the drive in my soul and relearn elphelt too
faint ice
ace if you haven't I'd recommend getting bbcf or p4au on steam
This would drown him given feeling overwhelmed with strive
faint ice
Ofc you would find Rachel sick
faint ice
Apart from kagura, I'm prob only really curious about jubei
And the girl with wings for a hat
Idr her name
shrewd furnace
She has full screen option
haughty zodiac
Yea I just need a fair and honest fg
lol
mellow palm
Ok I think my issue is I just can’t land combos in a real game to save my life
So even if my fundamentals are ok it’s hard to actually win matches when I’m hitting for like 10% and my opponent is hitting for like 40% per turn
haughty zodiac
how unnerfed nier felt in granblue versus
win for while in neutral vs her whilst she keeps spamming her DP until one happens to hit you for equivalent of 3 of your midscreen combos
faint ice
So even if my fundamentals are ok it’s hard to actually win matches when I’m hit...
Yeah people probably know how to cash out and I'm guessing you're prob forgetting wild assault too
Luckily slayer conversions can be super simple to match damage of others
paper notch
just jump :)
worthy crystal
She has full screen option <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
That she uses like a belligerent monkey
worthy crystal
But how do I beat Potemkin barrier
This is gonna sound dumber but don’t get grabbed
Uh fr though you can kinda just block it, pot high low isn’t exactly best in class
Don’t get too antsy when you’re blocking pot, just wait for his turn to end
I guess it’s better with blue but he has to take some big risks to extend
gaunt cloud
Btw use FD for garuda when able
gaunt cloud
True
worthy crystal
If you push him out to where he has to reenter with hammer fall there’s a lot more counter play
late frost
finally got my new PC
it is time
to hit the streets
covert void
marble gate
https://fixupx.com/goodsmile_en/status/1863417869838569978?t=VcDeG8NJ1NTOgUJtUHc...
😭
My wallet
Now can bandai please release the fuckin jacket
I want the reina jacket it'd be a genuinely good piece of clothing
marble gate
You know what will happen now
What
late frost
played some SF6 last night
I missed the streets
worthy crystal
Are u asking like
How to lab new combos that aren’t on paper
Or just in general
Because for the latter
worthy crystal
Like do you just sit in training mode for hours
I find a combo, if I can’t do it consistently I find a progressively easier combo until I can consistently do it
shrewd furnace
If it’s a pretty easy combo I just try it in games over and over again
If it’s more technical then I try to do the first part then try to end in hard knockdown until I’m more comfortable with moving on
vivid furnace
i just sit in the lab and do inputs until i cry :)
faint ice
@worthy crystal Edward...
https://fxtwitter.com/KyoEnjoyer/status/1863639637660451098?t=sKLq6YPWeQpcxRqGlPj8ZA&s=19
haughty zodiac
Like do you just sit in training mode for hours
in the sense of practicing known combos or labbing new ones?
mellow palm
Both
worthy crystal
<@364939622343507988> Edward...
https://fxtwitter.com/KyoEnjoyer/status/18636396...
Good
worthy crystal
Ed is def villainous idk
worthy crystal
Chunk down combos to what actually gives you trouble
haughty zodiac
main thing really is like you want to create combos for specific situations you can expect at first like obviously regular starters, counter hits, AA's and frametraps if they change it up what hits them
and then yeah unmetered and metered
can depend by game like nagoriyuki in strive for example its not like just raw damage you're creating combos for but also like peak and final blood level changes
faint ice
Like do you just sit in training mode for hours
Everyone already answered but yeah if it's literally making a bnb muscle memory I'll mash it on repeat in training mode, sometimes turn the dummy into cpu if I'm doing something with gaps (shouldn't be hours)
haughty zodiac
i think you'd only spend a while in it if you're creating further optimisations
since you're trying to actually find and create new lines
faint ice
No uni2 at evo japan huh..
worthy crystal
Uni2 never quite survived the month 1 struggle
As unfortunate as it is
It has its legs but it’s far worse off relative to other fighters today than uni was in its day
shrewd furnace
xrd raven's annoying but honestly everything else is so much more annoying
worthy crystal
I mean I definitely think he’s on the more annoying end of the roster
But I also kind of just think he’s Ky-lite in rev 2
They have very similar gameplans and the unique tools Raven has compared to ky don’t justify the shit defense thing
Kyle is also extremely annoying in rev 2 though idk why they decided he had to be a setplay character
shrewd furnace
fireball yrc 
faint ice
It has its legs but it’s far worse off relative to other fighters today than uni...
ik their na scene is super tight knit like they have a uni major
worthy crystal
Ya that’s another thing I’ve heard is that it’s a little cliquey apparently
Unsure if that’s true or not but
shrewd furnace
Not that I know of
But character specialists be character specialists
My practice partner bubbled out of the money at uni 2 evo, thanks for reminding me to beat his ass
late frost
vivid furnace
still no makoto 
worthy crystal
I’m ready for this character to be so despicable
late frost
model feels a little off
but maybe that's just an artstyle difference
marble gate
https://vxtwitter.com/StreetFighter/status/1864806967337967981
Did they just call her good girl
late frost
Sakurai in shambles
dreamy mason
https://vxtwitter.com/StreetFighter/status/1864806967337967981
It’s peak
mellow palm
Ok how the fuck do I beat dizzy as slayer
covert void
Get dandy with it
worthy crystal
Ok how the fuck do I beat dizzy as slayer
Be right once
The same way slayer beats a lot of characters
lunar depot
Oh boy, Mai in SF6.
marble gate
I'm genuinely so curious what the s1 final character is
They have to top heihachi so whoever the guest is has to be BIG
vivid furnace
akuma maybe?
covert void
Jinpachi?