I think they just copied the asset LMFAO
#Fighting Game Chat
worthy crystal
worthy crystal
French bread can steal their own assets it’s fine
If it means new uni comes out faster I won’t complain
Extremely hyped for kaguya
Tho nanase did get H disc
worthy crystal
She shoots you to death
That’s all I wanted
Finally
A character to pander to westerns audiences
wicked quarry
Eltnum?
cosmic forge
Oh right I meant to ask
Should I pick up a new character for SamSho
Usually I just play Nako but
Here’s the cast
Anyone leaping out at y’all to try
wicked quarry
Yashamaru looks interesting but
Id mostly just figure out what you find fun and go from there
Im not sure superficial visual guesses will be too useful
worthy crystal
Here’s the cast
I really like ukyo
He’s fun
Hibiki is also fun
Smile
Shujinko just seems kind of broken tbh
He steals some insane moves
Takes sento from kenshi so anyone can be a puppet character
teal pebble
Of course it's the Africa list
wicked quarry
Based Africa 
haughty zodiac
jesus ABA, elphelt and slayer being consistently in the top 3 is wild
haughty zodiac
Answer made it on *one* list
also zappa only in japan
lunar depot
Anyone play SFIII 3rd Strike on Fightcade?
worthy crystal
https://preview.redd.it/tnmitrkowppb1.png?width=1406&format=png&auto=webp&s=62fb...
God were really gonna get elphelt
I hate it here
Idc about aba because there’s a 0% chance they translate her even remotely as annoying as she was in +r but I just hate elphelt
wicked quarry
I kinda doubt it?
Elphelt being added i mean
Feels like she overlaps too much with HC, and Test wasnr like top of the poll when they were added
faint ice
Slayer is the most inevitable I feel, similar to johnny
I could see aba as a wildcard before elphelt
we do already have nago but still likely I think
worthy crystal
Feels like she overlaps too much with HC, and Test wasnr like top of the poll wh...
Elphelt isn’t really similar to HC beyond just having a gun
Which is a design element that is pretty easy to make a very different character with
Like elphelt has sniper in xrd but I doubt they’d have her keep it
Of the many things elphelt had it’s probably like the least defining
wicked quarry
I was mostly going by general theme/aesthetics
Hmm
Do we think were getting an original character this season?
Err
A non-returning one
wicked quarry
Well they appeared in the story at least
Idk if Goldlewis was super relevant compared to HC and Asuka
faint ice
bedman (and by extension delilah) and asuka were the last characters
Goldlewis was around
He was in the white house while stuff was going on
wicked quarry
Yeah he was in the story, he did participate in the defense of the white house
Creating a barrier with the coffin
But his impact on the story was kinda minimal?
faint ice
Yeah he's just there, tbf Gio is also just an employee
faint ice
I don't think there's any characters except vernon?
faint ice
I think Zepp Gabriel in xrd was possible if he was visible during strive
wicked quarry
Mmh
faint ice
Do you mean daryl the 3rd king or?
wicked quarry
Nah
The one in Another Story
Also iirc Test wasnt that high on polls when they were added, were they?
faint ice
idr myself
wicked quarry
Ye I checked, they werent
Sin wasnt either
Being high on the list doesnt seem to be a guarantee to get in
gaunt cloud
Robo ky still has a chance 
wicked quarry
Im hoping Robo Ky, Gabriel, Answer or Venom
teal pebble
Gabriel feels so normal design wise that they would skip over him for it
paper notch
velvet wren
Really funny joke aside that is so cool!
worthy crystal
https://x.com/ThatMikeRossGuy/status/1705226106352415174?s=20
People acting like no game has ever done replay take over before 
paper notch
oh hey, its maximilian dood
lunar depot
Ken looks like that one cool uncle your mom says is a bad influence.
I like Lily’s fit too.
late frost
Yo Cammy has a deckbox?
wicked quarry
BlazBlue is so good
faint ice
I had fun doing the tutorials with ragna
only played a little CF but kagura's my char of choice
wicked quarry
The stance character? Huh
faint ice
I guess he's technically a stance character
nova pagoda
I had fun doing the tutorials with ragna
have you finally woken up kid?
nova pagoda
?
install what kid
this chat will be painted with your blood come 2024 when Project L drops
faint ice
install what kid
cf, gotta prove you're fodder multiple times
worthy crystal
only played a little CF but kagura's my char of choice
As soon as you start downplaying you’re blocked
faint ice
don't tempt me
worthy crystal
can you imagine dash macro charging as kagura
His backdash isn’t really that good anyways
If a dash macro would be broken on anyone in cf it would be like nu or something probably
You’d be able to OS parcer
cosmic forge
makes me wanna play richter
play simon instead
balmy parrot
no
cosmic forge
he’s cooler
cosmic forge
Simon killed Dracula twice with no help
balmy parrot
nope
dreamy mason
teal pebble
And here I am just a juste believer
balmy parrot
I don't actually like the Belmonts fwiw
my favorite characters are Leon, Alucard, and Soma
I was disappointed by Smash
lunar depot
Yo, random question: MK’s Shujinko vs Taskmaster - who wins?
balmy parrot
CEOTaku 2023 Centralfiction finals
Ragna versus Es
the Es has been winning by playing for time and camping with projectiles
and ngl this is annoying
like, it's the correct way to play
it's just no fun
paper notch
worthy crystal
the Es has been winning by playing for time and camping with projectiles
Is it monarch
I can’t think of another top es player actually
faint ice
Is it monarch
it was monarch yeah
balmy parrot
Is it monarch
yeah
faint ice
2 Nago
1 Goldlewis
1 Chipp
1 Asuka
1 Zato
1 Sol/HC
and with Tempest on Leo/Sin winning 1st place
wicked quarry
The zato is unexpected
Otherwise a fairly normal top 8
Only character id say is missing who was normally topping this patch would be maybe Millia funny enough
worthy crystal
Because he used to be a lambda main
Yea
He’s the best lambda ever
Like unironically
He might be the best CF player ever unironically
Normally es players will use the huge buttons defensively but in a much more proactive way
Monarch is an extremely defensive player
Es does have some strong offensive tools though
Instant overhead, strong looping oki, extremely consistent safejumps
Es has like every good tool
Just lower than average damage until she establishes oki
wicked quarry
Oh monarch won another tournament?
paper notch
faint ice
The zato is unexpected
Zato was pepperysplash one of the best performing players in general, I heard he was supposed to switch to Johnny this patch but maybe he doesn't feel he's solid enough
wicked quarry
Ahhh, that makes sense
I did think peppery switched to Johnny
Guess he wasn't confident in his Johnny being better than his Zato
faint ice
You cannot make me boot up that game I'm sorry
cosmic forge
Okay so
That Nickelodeon All-Stars sequel
Garfield is a spacie
He has a shine
gaunt cloud
Correct me if i'm wrong
But ASB1 didnt have an equivalent to final destination, did it?
nova pagoda
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/477174832329654274/1155940206252400640/...
What is wrong with his face
cosmic forge
What is wrong with his face
For this move he turns into 1978 Garfield
cosmic forge
Is it valid to call Injustice a kusoge
gaunt cloud
Yes
faint ice
Gaming Thursday? <@199566048750469120>
Yeah sure didn't see this
paper notch
south lantern
Dude trapped in one pose
faint ice
@nova pagoda spend some of those case tourny winnings son
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1706398800817033553
nova pagoda
https://x.com/fayemata/status/1706482675782132069?s=46&t=mySWIYhrBba6Ep0vDsBm7A
@faint ice I’m moving to Cali to play sf6
lunar depot
Y’all remember that one time a DJ played Sub-Zero in MK 11?
pearl burrow
teal pebble
https://twitter.com/click_burgundy/status/1706495978990399616?s=20
no vs themes in Strive really was a horrendous choice
haughty zodiac
no vs themes in Strive really was a horrendous choice
johnny's vs theme is just whoever he's facing usual theme and will randomly say just lean when counter hit
faint ice
@worthy crystal they put so much work into's AKI's animations
worthy crystal
<@364939622343507988> they put so much work into's AKI's animations
This character is so fire
worthy crystal
@faint ice
faint ice
<@199566048750469120>
millia players deserve nothing
worthy crystal
Ok bro enjoy your fish
worthy crystal
millia players deserve nothing
Ok I actually posted this in another server and someone said that it’s good but the hitbox is kinda bad it’s so joever for millia players 
wicked quarry
<@199566048750469120>
... is this from that weirdo Millia guy on youtube
paper notch
haughty zodiac
gio 2D 
worthy crystal
https://x.com/CancerisR/status/1707504025552278010?s=20
This is not even what makes him good
This is maybe the most innocuously broken thing about Nero
He has a lingering tracking projectile that persists on hit
And hits twice delayed
And his damage is absurd and he uses f moon mechanics extremely well
paper notch
lunar depot
Random question: what makes a fighting game fun for you guys?
balmy parrot
good movement, good buttons, reasonable learning curve with a really high skill ceiling
lunar depot
Skill ceiling?
sharp imp
Skill Floor is to how difficult it is to pick up
Skill Ceiling is to how difficult it is to master
lunar depot
Noted.
wicked quarry
small furnace
so fucking real
vapid lake
are all faust players insane?
worthy crystal
Yes
wicked quarry
Yes
wicked quarry
No, because they removed his funny pogo stick
late frost
austere garnet
… who is this fucking Moeblob
Only in the 2000’s games, makes sense
KoF 2000, 2001, 2003 & 2002UM
I don’t even remember her being in 2002UM lmao
Nobody likes 2001-2003 so (2002UM doesn’t count given it’s a much later version of 2002, 2002 base release is fucking bad)
Only games she’s been in that people care about are 2000 (which isn’t widely accessible in an official capacity, though it is technically accessible) and 2002UM (which is a dream match/no story game so she’s just a face in a massive roster)
I like
Vaguely remember her but I think only because she was a member of the Women’s Team in 2000?
austere garnet
I’d genuinely call it a nothingburger of a pick but I am admittedly in a bit of a mood
lunar depot
Quick question: Is a super move that requires a 360 input and all punch + kick buttons pressed simultaneously a good idea?
late frost
Not a good idea
But it's probably been done
And wouldn't be too difficult
Moreso annoying
lunar depot
So, like, the character who has this said super would be the one for ‘experts’ and experts. The super is kinda cinematic, so it should be worth the effort.
worthy crystal
I mean there have been many supers with inputs far more difficult
Every pretzel, 720s, and 1080s immediately jump to mind
worthy crystal
@nova pagoda catch these hands bro
nova pagoda
yeah you seem like an arakune player
worthy crystal
im actually a tao player
but i wanted to learn how to do the kune bnb because i can do literally every other characters bnb in the game lol
kune is pretty cool though
vapid lake
wicked quarry
@worthy crystal
worthy crystal
I just saw in the blazblue server
nova pagoda
wow that is fuckign nice
haughty zodiac
oh god even got the spine reference
sharp imp
They did the exact fatalities people expected
And everyone loves it
But will there be a mid-round "Think" meme
mellow palm
Ok that is pretty sick
lunar depot
Pretty hype.
gaunt cloud
PUTA QUE PARIU SEDEX GANHOU
haughty zodiac
not sure if innapropriate to mention because politics but just stop oil disrupted a uk tekken tournament
lunar depot
Wack.
austere garnet
damn I lived this
gaunt cloud
The big band combo clip that doesnt involve timestop
lunar depot
Random question: what do you guys think of JCVD in MK1? Thoughts on his skin and voice?
pearl burrow
for you, @teal pebble https://vxtwitter.com/click_burgundy/status/1714597972619710687?s=20
austere garnet
Random question: what do you guys think of JCVD in MK1? Thoughts on his skin and...
It’s cool but like Johnny is such a likable character with such a likable voice I wouldn’t want to lose out on that
worthy crystal
@austere garnet I know it’s beta but Marie damage is kind of wild
Her level 1 is like the 4th highest damage super at max scaling
And it’s the highest single hit im pretty sure
Which matters for DHC purposes
She also gains meter extremely fast
gaunt cloud
Marie's already out?
austere garnet
In Beta
worthy crystal
@austere garnet
im going to harass you for the next lunar cycle with marie stuff this character is extremely cool
austere garnet
That's fine lol
Gives me something to look at occasionally while I try and decipher the mysteries of Blender
Okay the like
Reverse Power Wave thing feels absurd
worthy crystal
if they dont burst on 2hp>214hp you can just super and then you get a HKD and set up bunny
austere garnet
Ah yes
worthy crystal
it only goes backwards in the air
worthy crystal
if that makes you feel better
worthy crystal
otherwise itd be like impossible to zone her
austere garnet
Fair fair
worthy crystal
it is good though
this is also one of the only characters i can think of
with an advancing + on block special
in the entire game
worthy crystal
skullgirls is not a game for the light of heart
austere garnet
Why does it draw you in
That's what I was talking about with the reverse power wave
worthy crystal
this is also one of the only characters i can think of
actually as far as i know she is only one of TWO
the other being umbrella
worthy crystal
because jsut going through the list in my head
bomber is minus hairball is minus drill is minus bypass is minus wolf cannon is minus
oh i think LnL is + too but that has a gap
DnB is only + when enhanced
for all the things to hate about fortune rekka is not +
knuckle is minus
(both of them)
this character also has f shikis for some reason ❔
even though they took them away from like everyone
austere garnet
Oh lord
That deadass is just GT Goku's Spirit Bomb
Similar on-hit properties and everything
Wild
worthy crystal
Oh and something I couldn’t find a video of and didn’t bother recording myself is that you can DHC into the skelepunch and combo afterwards
If you use puddle
Or something that launches them extremely high
I think Marie is probably either point or anchor though
Her assists are good but her DHCs are mostly mid and her reversals are bad so she dies on incoming
austere garnet
Imagine trying to play a non-MKX Netherrealm game competitively
This kind of shit happens with all of them
Do people even still remember the Deadshot/Green Arrow bans
late frost
No I was too busy remembering launch Superman
austere garnet
That was also bad
Imagine mapping full screen projectiles to a single button on two characters and having one character who can zone you from the directions they can't
worthy crystal
Imagine trying to play a non-MKX Netherrealm game competitively
Ok good we’re not slandering MKX
austere garnet
And then wonder why people clown on your balancing for a decade after the fact
worthy crystal
Actual fire game
austere garnet
MKX is like the one MK I can kinda tolerate
Even then I still don't love it for most of the reasons I don't love MK
But it's playable
worthy crystal
MKX didn’t have obscene zoning for (most of) the games lifespan
austere garnet
They actually tried
worthy crystal
MKX was the actual rush down hell fest of NRS games
Kitana had a 4 way off every poke that looped into itself
austere garnet
Also Takeda is just a fucking fun ass character in MKX
Really enjoyed him
This is the nicest I will ever speak of MK lmao
worthy crystal
Zoning in X wasn’t really a big thing until like
The dlc came out
Tremor with his low aerial projectile
Alien with everything
late frost
I should look into the side advantage comedy for MK1
I knew of it but not the details
late frost
The most recent game
worthy crystal
There was
austere garnet
MK 2023
worthy crystal
A bug
austere garnet
Okay
I fucking despise that there are technically three fucking games called Mortal Kombat
worthy crystal
Nitara bnb and many characters optimals didn’t work
Depending on both stage side and player side
I think it’s fixed now
late frost
Yeah it's fixed now
worthy crystal
I will say that
late frost
But also stance-specific combos are also a thing in NRS games
worthy crystal
Ignoring the standard fare of an extremely rushed game, mk1 seems a lot more promising upfront than 11 did
Oh you mean like that
austere garnet
Yeah mk1 gameplay has been fantastic definitely close to that of mkx
Has room to become better
austere garnet
Yeah they brought up how krypt bad because rng elements in the kombat kast like just take out the rng elements of the krypt
The krypt had huge potential but they gave up on it
worthy crystal
Oh no rng in my completely non gameplay related content
Shrine is also rng
And the mk10 krypt was also rng
And that was one of the coolest parts of mk10 single player content
Making krypt pseudo rng is probably the best actual idea too tbh
If it wasn’t rng you’d literally just look up where X cosmetic
austere garnet
I mean ig but I don’t like it
I like to know what I’m grinding for
And when I get it
worthy crystal
I just mean from their perspective
Rng doesn’t matter anyways though bc as mentioned it’s completely gameplay unrelated
austere garnet
I don’t understand just because it isn’t gameplay doesn’t mean knowing what cosmetics you’ll get isn’t cool 🤨
Well if they did want to do rng in the krypt
I think how they did the shrine is a perfect way to do rng
Just do that but for the krypt
That’s probably a good common ground for this issue I think it solves everything
worthy crystal
I don’t understand just because it isn’t gameplay doesn’t mean knowing what cosm...
If the krypt isn’t rng then literally why not just make it a store where you buy the items then
If you just want a stylized cosmetic store sure but then that would still have to be made differently from the krypt
worthy crystal
Just do that but for the krypt
The shrine was literally a part of the krypt in MKX
austere garnet
The shrine from what I’m aware doesn’t work in mk1 like it did in mkX but idk because I didn’t play mkx krypt only mk11
worthy crystal
It was like the exact same as it is in 1 as it was in X I’m pretty sure lol
I’m pretty sure in X you could actually bulk purchase too
But I might be misremembering
pearl burrow
RASHIDOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(for context: https://vxtwitter.com/HiFightTH/status/1716035216052191619?s=20 )
worthy crystal
@austere garnet https://youtu.be/iIL4Fq_oB8o?si=K1EwCzHprUxwpuz9
Kind of interesting that literally every zoner is in finals
Robo point is good but kind of underplayed bc of the extreme presence of peacock
vapid lake
worthy crystal
https://vxtwitter.com/rickenishere/status/1716601345879507015?t=KzKrs688QLMQ-_3V...
Kind of wild how this applies to xrd too
Sort of
nova pagoda
what is it saying
winter frigate
something about copyright changes but i'm not reading all that
late frost
Basically Nintendo is going to require licenses for tournaments
nova pagoda
can't have a profit of more than 10,000 euros over a year
Organization must earn no more than 10k euros and are not allowed to take any profit - And to check that they are stipulating that organizations must publicize their accounting relating to the event.
winter frigate
yea nintendo's a troll
sharp imp
Dude even Charity events have to apply jfc
hexed forum
Organization must earn no more than 10k euros and are not allowed to take any pr...
The fact there are people calling this a dub is trolling
hexed forum
My knee-jerk reaction reading it was "Oh maybe this is a sign Nintendo is doing official events!"
"Oh."
sharp imp
You can’t even make a freakin charity off it without a process
hexed forum
Because uhh uhh lmao pedos
Smash haters have some of the wildest takes
"Smash is naturally a kids game, so the audience it attracts will be less mature."
Dawg what
Thats like
Not an uncommon take
sharp imp
The rulesbook they have also bans names they deem inappropriate
Guess Bobby is changing his gamertag
hexed forum
There are lots of people on the reddit threads saying "Ok SURELY competitive smash is dead now"
It isn't
sharp imp
Chillin put out a new rap diss track for this shit lmfao
haughty zodiac
Nintendo just killed competitive Smash
melee is not even on their list of licenses to get
bro
sharp imp
Yeah there's a lot of dumb stuff mixed in here
I'm now actually sitting down and reading it and
wow
haughty zodiac
sharp imp
Some of the TLDR;
Non-licensed community tournaments must follow the below:
- Online tournaments capped at 300 players
- Offline tournaments capped at 200 players
- Prizing for tournaments capped at 5000 per tournament IN TOTAL
- Prizing for a tournament's organization, for a whole year, capped at 10,000 in total
- No sponsorship help
- Revenue from an organization for videos of their events cannot exceed what they put out in prizing, so capped at 10,000
- Names of tournaments cannot have wording of Nintendo IP
- No use of logos involving Nintendo IP
- Online play must use Nintendo Online (If Melee were even granted permission somehow, this means no Slippi)
- Youtube Subscriber Tournaments are not allowed
- You cannot sell merchandise, food, or even fucking water at a tournament venue
- No Cross-Regional Nintendo product prizes. Prizes much originate from the region where they were given out
- School Clubs do not need to apply for a license, but must follow guidelines
- Charity events, including those hosted by schools, must apply for a license
- Use of un-Nintendo-licensed hardware not allowed. This probably kills playing with arcade style controllers
Basically if you don't get licensed, you can't hold a B-Tier event or higher
worthy crystal
Me when I’m the owner of the most successful modern fighting game IP and I want to crash and burn it into the ground
haughty zodiac
i don't even get what their intention is with this
sharp imp
Even certain C-Tier events don't meet the guidelines without being licensed
pearl burrow
Nintendo just got fed up I guess
and/or the Smash scene defenders looked away for five seconds
sharp imp
They basically did what they wanted to try last year, but without Panda's colossal fuckups
haughty zodiac
Nintendo just got fed up I guess
of what?
sharp imp
It absolutely applies to Splatoon too
@haughty zodiac was there a list of licenses at this point?
haughty zodiac
<@178550175315263488> was there a list of licenses at this point?
what i saw
in japanese annoyingly
highlighted looks like splatoon 3
sharp imp
Pokken Tournament DX isn't even on the list
haughty zodiac
yeah its not switch
haughty zodiac
oh right
cosmic forge
1-2 Switch
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
ARMS
Splatoon 3
Super Mario Party
SSBU
Tetris 99
Mario Maker 2
Ring Fit
51 Worldwide Classic Games or whatever
Game Builder Garage
Switch Sports
Everybody 1-2 Switch
Splatoon 3
gaunt cloud
Wait
sharp imp
Wait did Super Mario Party make the list
And not superstars?
sharp imp
Pokemon's core tournaments are held separately
But this cuts Pokken
sharp imp
Pokken is not held at those
Unite is fine
Lemme double check that
Go, Masters, The TCG, the mainline games, and Unite are definitely fine I know those
cosmic forge
As one of three people who still thinks ARMS is fun why is it here
sharp imp
Nope scratch that Pokken wasn't at 2023 worlds
cosmic forge
What the fuck is a Ring Fit tournament
sharp imp
And for that matter, neither was Masters
gaunt cloud
Nope scratch that Pokken wasn't at 2023 worlds
The 2 people that still played that will have to move to the actually fun ip now
Sadge
(The long ranged part of pokken sucked so bad why did it exist)
gaunt cloud
Man
sharp imp
Mario vs Australia
gaunt cloud
Venue not being able to sell fucking water is so stupid
small furnace
https://vxtwitter.com/rickenishere/status/1716601345879507015?t=KzKrs688QLMQ-_3V...
lmfao real
cosmic forge
Venue not being able to sell fucking water is so stupid
Surely this means water can be provided free of charge though
Like
It’s water
sharp imp
It'll be fountain water
Nobody's giving out the bottled stuff when they have to go into the red already
Also can we just bring back around one more time
Super Mario Party is fine
But not Superstars
teal pebble
on the switch too?
hexed forum
Update on the Smash scene
Word has gone around that actually obtaining a license is actually very streamlined
If you can obtain a license
All of those detriments listed under community guidelines go away
sharp imp
And as a result, this is mainly going to impact new majors, and especially regionals, trying to get approval as there is no real way of proving they can hold an event due to how big a difference a major and non-major will be
The real impact to Ultimate will be a drop off in regionals and events just below those in size
haughty zodiac
on people saying nintendo just wanting to not manage stuff but its like... aren't they trying to be more involved now?
late frost
Involvement can be a support or a hindrance
People are concerned that Nintendo's involvement here is not to support the scene, but rather to hinder it
haughty zodiac
Involvement can be a support or a hindrance
People are concerned that Nintendo's...
yeah but i find it weird that they want to hinder it
given well reputational damage from negatively impacting community and also giving less of an outlet for people to go on playing these games
pretty much kills off drive to develop a competitive scene which is why a lot of people would want to keep playing (meaning DLC) let alone just buying
hexed forum
It's two reasons
1 is that Nintendo frequently is against games not being played in its intended fashion
The 2nd reason is more speculated in that Nintendo just doesn't like the Smash community
Because haha pedos
austere garnet
I mean I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
There was a long period that just googling “super smash bros” would bring up the sexual misconduct list as the first or second result
Well after the events died down
Regardless of if it’s a fair response I can absolute understand why Nintendo would want to distance themselves from that
hexed forum
Well it isn't distancing
It's actively trying to end it
Not to mention that Nintendo decided to start a whole ass sponsored circuit during the sexual misconduct era
faint ice
honestly, it might affect melee less
melee has already been doing their own thing unless nintendo actually try to crack down on them
sharp imp
That's the thing though: the license stuff doesn't call out non-switch games
You cannot get a license for non-switch games as of now
Given that they have tried cracking down on Slippi in the past, I wouldn't put it past that they wouldn't crack down on Melee now
haughty zodiac
1 is that Nintendo frequently is against games not being played in its intended ...
great way for keeping player interest
haughty zodiac
I mean I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
There was a *long* period tha...
also just overall gremlins and weird individuals
velvet wren
Lots of noise about the community supposedly harbouring one like the Nairo stuff probably didn’t help the rep of the community either aside the usual Smash player stereotypes
haughty zodiac
Lots of noise about the community supposedly harbouring one like the Nairo stuff...
nairo was a whole bunch of weirdoes involved
and there was plenty of others
velvet wren
Ofc ofc
haughty zodiac
but yeah i find it just weird they're killing it off like this
sharp imp
Yeah I know a lotta people, and rightfully so, point to the outbreak stereotype as a reason Nintendo wants to do this, it is still probably mainly around money
Especially since the issue last year's debacle was around broadcasting rights and money received from them
Does that factor in? Yeah probably a bit, especially with the strict guidelines.
Is that the main reason? More than likely, it's money
Having clear-cut guidelines as to that issue I think is the only really good thing to come out of all this.
Because of how effing long and unclear it was handled when grassroot TOs were responding to some of it. This doesn't fix the issue of people doing that heinous shit, but it expidites the process of kicking them out.
The core of this guideline push, as with every other Nintendervention done in the past, is still mainly around IP and money regardless.
haughty zodiac
Yeah I know a lotta people, and rightfully so, point to the outbreak stereotype ...
outbreak stereotype?
velvet wren
The noise surrounding the whole Nairo saga didn’t help things either with that like I mentioned. As much as Jaeger is correct in that being a whole web of different folks from parties to what took place to even major organisers
sharp imp
This doesn't fix the issue of people doing that heinous shit, but it expidites the process of kicking them out.
And I am OK with Nintendo making untangling that kind of mess like pulling off a bandaid
haughty zodiac
> This doesn't fix the issue of people doing that heinous shit, but it expidite...
why does it speed it up?
haughty zodiac
The noise surrounding the whole Nairo saga didn’t help things either with that l...
why saying nairo the main one?
velvet wren
Not saying that
sharp imp
why does it speed it up?
Nintendo will see the thing, and ban that shit a lot quicker than the investigations non-Nintendo did in the past
And man, if they didn't, that would look very shitty for their PR
haughty zodiac
issue before nintendo had no say in dealing with... degenerates?
sharp imp
If not addressed quickly, they now have leverage to shut down the tournament site altogether
that's why it would speed up
haughty zodiac
oh the threat of dealing with the orgs?
sharp imp
Again, this comes down to Nintendo's enforment of their own rules put on non-licensed stuff
If non-licensed stuff can't deal with problems like this, Nintendo theoretically will deal with the non-licensed stuff
haughty zodiac
so tbh how does the changes actually affect smash because i just hear people upset?
sharp imp
It affects the process of setting up lower-tier events a lot
Regionals are definitely in a hot seat. It will come down to how open or closed Nintendo will handle the process of licensing
haughty zodiac
oh right yeah all the naming BS
sharp imp
Sumabato already got cleared a license. That's a good sign for most upper-level stuff.
But lower-level tournaments have a lot to do too
Even freakin Charity events have to go through this process
and it is not yet clear just how open, quickly, or even consistently Nintendo will handle licensing
Then you look at stuff clearly not getting approved and in violation of the rules, Like Coin Box, and they are gonna fight the system
HBox already announced he has no plans on changing or stopping Coin Box
until Nintendo Ninjas come at his door
haughty zodiac
yeah gonna be weird seeing how they deal with this
nintendo is honestly weird af with community honestly
like they have something in legal clauses that they can claim fan stuff as their own
though yeah honestly smash community is... quite shit and not surprised if they are trying to reign them in a bunch
sharp imp
Yeah the disciplinary rules update is good. the IP shit, licensing process, and major restrictions set on unlicensed tournaments is a very slippery slope
haughty zodiac
oh didn't see the disciplinary stuff
there specifics beyond just like they'll well have a proper go at a org for someone being a degenerate
hexed forum
though yeah honestly smash community is... quite shit and not surprised if they ...
Nintendo is 100% not trying to be righteous with these policy changes
Reminder that this affects tournaments for ALL of their IP
Not just Smash
gaunt cloud
I saw some people say that they're doing this because esports in japan tecnically fall under gambling
But that opens up even more questions
hexed forum
That's not it at all
Like I see a lot of people going 'yes finally they're killing the toxic smash community'
But like even if you think the community is toxic enough that it needs to get shut down
Why spread it towards every other IP
sharp imp
Does that factor in? Yeah probably a bit, especially with the strict guidelines....
"But Nintendo already makes a lot of money from other stuff! Why would it invest into doing this?"
So it can make more
Nintendo Nintendoes fo what Nintendo makes in Nintendough
sharp imp
No I agree I undestand that you follow
hexed forum
Ludwig got sued by Nintendo!!!!! Masks are off!!!!! Riot!!!!!
(He got an IP infirngement notice for frozen Pokemon Stadium)
(He didn't get a lawsuit)
sharp imp
HBox already announced he has no plans on changing or stopping Coin Box
In just 2 days, Liquid gave him the order to cancel Melee Coinbox
So this ended up half true
lunar depot
When I’m playing SF, do I go for trying to read the enemy or do I just act on instinct?
sweet hornet
i like how nintendo announced their own rules now
sure some fans panic but that how every regime establishment be
players got to pack their own lunch now, i presume
also surprisingly nintendo issued nothing about dress code or personal cleaniness
the part that's iffy to me is the part that tos must say their event not sponsored or affiliated with nintendo?
basically we want control but have no interest in doing any oversight of our own game events
we wanna regulate this stuff but don't wanna hire someone to "be there and spy on everything about the event" for us
after the scandels in 2020 sooner or later they were going to impose their own rules
japanese tos are already trying to do the best they have with the new rules so...
regulations, even unsound ones, happen with any hobbies that can enjoyed by a large amount of people, repeatedly
haughty zodiac
regulations, even unsound ones, happen with any hobbies that can enjoyed by a la...
year or two ago games workshop had a go at a spanish tournament for allowing a nazi in
was rather annoying for them to deal with
sweet hornet
Why spread it towards every other IP
perhaps they fear players who quits over this perceived fallout will jump ship onto another nintendo game
haughty zodiac
perhaps they fear players who quits over this perceived fallout will jump ship o...
i find this somewhat odd given like each game is distinct so people playing fighter will go to other fighters etc.
sweet hornet
year or two ago games workshop had a go at a spanish tournament for allowing a n...
the message being?
haughty zodiac
they aren't going to just stick to nintendo made titles for comp scene
sweet hornet
they didn't screen the values of the participants well enough?
haughty zodiac
the message being?
pointing at a example where company not involved in tournament scene had to intervene
but yeah the nintendo thing is overall just weird as its essentially dragging the scene down
and seems counter intuitive for sales
sweet hornet
only if you are part of the scene to begin with
if you are one of the casual (not part of the competitative scene) who deeply believe the fandom really is toxic then it shouldn't affect your daily functioning much
haughty zodiac
though comp scenes sustain popularity in a game more
also the spanish one the guy was openly a nazi and they (the tourn org) thought it was acceptable
sweet hornet
anyways ninty don't want to regulate tournaments
they wanna impose rules and maybe make money from it whenever they can
haughty zodiac
though counter intuitive to that with some of the rules just making it harder for some tournaments to be held
sweet hornet
now you have to get a license from them for a tournament of any size
you say it sustains popularity but is it with new players?
haughty zodiac
but yeah the imposing rules outside does make sense given controversy extends to them in terms of image even if they have minimal involvement
haughty zodiac
you say it sustains popularity but is it with new players?
retaining ongoing users, helps with selling DLC etc
you'd have less people sticking around on smash if there wasn't a tournament scene
sweet hornet
is it going to nintendo though?
haughty zodiac
and given well nintendo isn't the one financing tournaments doesn't have a operating cost
sweet hornet
techdirt had a really insightful comment about this that wonder if i should paste...
haughty zodiac
is it going to nintendo though?
talking about having a scene keeps more players invested and leads to more of their own product being sold, also some of the stuff i'm criticising mostly is where its just arbitrarily making it difficult to host a event or have its associated image like not allowing mention of an IP in a event namme
sweet hornet
Seeing a lot of people saying “Nintendo doesn’t hate you, they don’t care about you.” And that’s not right. See, Nintendo cares about money. Yours, theirs, everyones. And they want it. Anything that detracts from your money going into their pocket is a Bad Thing.
Hence the attitude towards tournaments they don’t control with an iron fist. See they could work with organizers, force them to accept a deal where Nintendo gets booth space to sell and promote products, and make money and every gets paid, win-win. But they want that other money too! They want to win and everyone else lose.
That’s why they don’t organize their own league. That would cost money! And they don’t spend money, they TAKE money. It has to be they win, everyone else loses. They don’t hate you, you’re right. What they hate is you taking money they think is their money. This latest crap is proof of it. You can have a league and a tourney, but you can’t make money from it in ANY way. They win, you lose, GFY!
haughty zodiac
i'm fully aware obviously they aren't wanting to spend money though i'm criticising elements of it that impact the products sustainability
obviously smash won't die off with their next game but less people will stick around long term buying more DLC
sweet hornet
companies want to control how players/watchers consume their content (also stares at disney)
haughty zodiac
makes less sense when that emphasis of control leads to less sustained interest in a game
sweet hornet
they may not see it that way
they want to avoid lawsuits, or really, be the ones filing them
haughty zodiac
enforcing certain rules to avoid controversies coming back to them makes sense but these rules also just make it difficult to host events let alone really have interest to hold them and that will cause decline in player interest whilst not exactly alleviating a cost on their part
sweet hornet
problem is they (the company) gets the final say
haughty zodiac
ok great i'm aware of that, doesn't change having criticism of why a load of it doesn't make sense
sweet hornet
idk but i already finished my theorycrafting on this subject so
its either seethe or swim
austere garnet
I love jp what a cool dude
sweet hornet
smash bros news
game hasn't changed
however fandom activities are under regulation
sweet hornet
also 2 workarounds to the no food/water/merchandise sold rule
bring your own food
order the food via any delivery service and deliver it to the venue or somewhere close to the venue since the party you bought the food or beverage from is not at the tournament location and so you can claim you didn't buy these tacos at the tournament but rather you bought these elsewhere at the same time as the tournament
also funny how tournaments must disclaim nintendo but anything that uses online must still use nintendo servers?
nonsensical big globs of text in the style of konami
i almost want a t-shirt with snippets of these nintendo-imposed terms on them
truly kek when analyzed further
what would iwata say...
lunar depot
Random question: would you guys want Friendships in MK1?
austere garnet
No every mk game should pick a different secondary finisher to the fatality to keep it fresh
Not re use old concepts and they will most likely do this
Well sense fatality’s are monetized in mk1 tbh they’ll probably just drop whatever finishers they feel with sell best at the time
sharp imp
Still waiting for Failtality, accidental self-fatalities
Like way less deliberate than Harakiri
worthy crystal
Sindel tries to do a kartwheel and then breaks her arm
lunar depot
Ah well.
austere garnet
I wonder how havik could kill himself accidentally
lunar depot
Guts as a n**se?
IDK, I don't play the game personally.
Like, maybe Havik was swinging his guts around as a lasso, and then it landed on himself instead?
Please don't cancel me.
teal pebble
I thought disease got to him
austere garnet
teal pebble
Oh
late frost
faint ice
UNI 2 Open Beta Upcoming
worthy crystal
https://vxtwitter.com/AFGCNews/status/1719730144540078191
Wow they brought back the xrd move
But made it actually good
Well at least it looks like it’s actually good we’ll see
worthy crystal
@austere garnet asked a friend to play marvel with me they asked what team I played they immediately closed discord
Insane
(Zero X23 Dante)
worthy crystal
Yeah no it’s fine
Even more than dirt naps it’s literally just zero with an assist unblockable + Dante in the back
Top 1 character with like top 3 assist
I found out actually kind of recently that it’s way easier to X factor airthrow dirt nap setups if they aren’t like really frame tight
Still not easy though
I was considering switching Dante to mid and just playing phoenix but that’s even more villainous
Clone super is kind of meter intensive for optimals but also lightning loops build like 2 bars on their own lol?
mellow palm
<@456226577798135808> asked a friend to play marvel with me they asked what team...
Ngl if you asked me this I’d put the controller down and would have to box irl 😔
worthy crystal
austere garnet
This is peak
It doesn’t get better than this
Tremor has shown off 7 different moves throughout both the teaser trailer and gameplay trailer as a kameo
vapid lake
late frost
sharp imp
How quick will the KFC mods come up
nova pagoda
this character looks like he was created specifically for the purpose of memes/mods
sharp imp
pearl burrow
IT'S TIIIIIIIIIIIME
sharp imp
||All the swords are blunts||
austere garnet
That’s a really good Leona mod ngl
nova pagoda
austere garnet
late frost
hollow swift
vapid lake
"Darkstalkers is an incredible success of a series in all aspects besides being alive" - funny quote from a random YT vid I am watching
austere garnet
Literally true
small furnace
darkstalkers one of the best dead series of all time
up there with castlevania for sure
balmy parrot
up there with castlevania for sure
and golden sun!
worthy crystal
@faint ice just saw an angrybird clip where he says luke 2mp is 14f active
He thought the blue squares were active I’m dead
faint ice
yeah he definitely missed there
faint ice
granblue beta today
austere garnet
Omni man releases in mk1 today 😮 for early access
lunar depot
He looks fun to play.
dreamy mason
this feature needs to be added to every fighting game
pearl burrow
lmfao
hollow swift
this feature needs to be added to every fighting game
I just downloaded thjs
hollow swift
What fighting games is everyone playing that i can join?
wicked quarry
Nice
late frost
gotta love official VOs voicing memes
vapid lake
https://vxtwitter.com/h_wallacepires/status/1723265221601407418
https://vxtwitter.com/h_wallacepires/status/1723265225762177453
https://vxtwitter.com/h_wallacepires/status/1723265229767741662
gaunt cloud
velvet wren
MARGARET LET’S GO
velvet wren
Finally a Juri that isn’t people being downbad about feet
late frost
faint ice
obligatory @nova pagoda ping
https://vxtwitter.com/Wario64/status/1724127304656523619
nova pagoda
gyatt
gaunt cloud
@worthy crystal
worthy crystal
I already own it bro
austere garnet
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb-oiM-kcVA
@late frost @wicked quarry new Moldy
wicked quarry
Neat
late frost
poggers A18 video
austere garnet
I’ll be watching it shortly
late frost
every now and then I want to play DBFZ
but I don't have time to practice it enough
which is a shame because it is pretty fun
maybe I'm just down on FGs right now because I don't have time to grind or a rig that can handle the next-gen games
pearl burrow
I don’t have enough time to dedicate right now, alas
Also the hardware thing, but that’s less of a problem since I actually found a local fgc scene
They just meet on days when I have work
late frost
BoxBox has been a #Gamer for years obviously
but it's a nice window into how much "background info" and legacy skill there is in fighting games
and how much new players just do not have that when they start
swift fulcrum
wicked quarry
@austere garnet @late frost absolutely hilarious thing I saw someone point out in another server: Snoop Dogg quit weed before FighterZ got rollback
Were never getting rollback
gaunt cloud
austere garnet
LMAO
gaunt cloud
I'm still not convinced it's not just a commercial stunt on his brand of edibles or smth
late frost
that is quite the perpsective
balmy parrot
~~Were never getting rollback~~
snoop stopped rolling blunts so we can roll our netcode
let's all sing a prayer for him
teal pebble
ironically was watching the Lythreo videos involing snoop too beofre reading this
faint ice
Under Night music kinda hot tbh
hollow swift
Under Night music kinda hot tbh
I like it too
Under night has one of my fav fighting game memes
faint ice
I don't understand the system mechanics yet because the beta doesn't have the tutorial
but im having fun mashing
gaunt cloud
Dlc dates for uni 2 were revealed
Each character is gonna be released 6 months apart
: )
faint ice
It's probably fine with how full the cast already is
nova pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVaFlRB_kY&t=2881s
I literally can't tell if this is a parody or if it;s actually real
the rest of his channel is legitamate pred catch vids
but the start makes it seem like a parody lol
worthy crystal
It can’t be real if it’s a yt vid omg
velvet wren
Genuinely cannot stand the channels that try to be TCAP
Even TCAP just wasn’t that great
velvet wren
Oh right
Did SF6 get nominated for anything for VGA
as much as the VGA doesn’t really matter as the Oscars of Gaming
gaunt cloud
Nah bro ASB2 takes this, trust
mellow palm
SF6 is on ps4?
faint ice
always has been
austere garnet
I have faith mk will beat sf6
lunar depot
I think both are cool.
paper notch
I mean, mk has way more non-fihting game player appeal, no?
austere garnet
Not really, outside of the crossover shit that every mainline FG does these days
It has less content and is a less polished release overall
But the game awards border on being an American popularity contest
Which is the one place MK still has a foothold unfortunately
So it has a chance anyway
faint ice
I think MK does
paper notch
Yeah thats what i meant
faint ice
especially when people care about the MK story too
balmy parrot
did you just have a bad one yourself?
hexed forum
balmy parrot
it happens
even the most veteran and decorated players have terrible runs
Daigo, Justin Wong, even people at the top of their game have either bad days or just unfortunate pairings
all that matters is that you went, you put yourself out there, and you honestly tried
there'll always be a next time
hollow swift
And sometimes you get hit by the daigo parry and people will never let you live it down
faint ice
<:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
It's another part of improvement that we have to go through, the rough runs make the upsets that much better
There will always be more brackets
late frost
lunar depot
Sorry if this sounds like a poll, but if I'm bad at a fighting game, is it my fault?
paper notch
whats the alternative
lunar depot
Um... technical limitations?
paper notch
i mean i guess if your setup is shit or your ping is terrible thatd impact your performance
but thats not being bad at fighting games
lunar depot
Or is it me choosing the wrong character?
paper notch
unless you mean "losing in fighting games" when you say "bad at fighting games"
lunar depot
I played - and lost - a match, and the other person straight-up told me I sucked for choosing a certain character to main and train with.
lunar depot
unless you mean "losing in fighting games" when you say "bad at fighting games"
yeah, that.
TBF to the person, I've had many, many losses under my belt and not enough wins.
paper notch
maybe your char is bad but idk why you would put so much thought into what some random person online says about your choices
not even saying that your character sucks but you is a weird thing to do
lunar depot
the character in question was Ryu in SFIII 3S. Was choosing him ( as a newbie ) a mistake on my part?
austere garnet
@cosmic forge
A lot of these look super mid ngl
Ryu looks fucking stupid
Blanka-Chan will probably get banned again and it will be just as funny as the first time
And giving Guile the Cody shoutout outfit feels… weird
Ken kinda rocks the DMC2 Dante look though
cosmic forge
||i don’t actually own sf6||
wicked quarry
Most of them are eh
cosmic forge
Is bridal gown Marisa in the game
cosmic forge
Yo
wicked quarry
Thats one of the new costumes
austere garnet
Literally in this trailer lol
cosmic forge
It is Spooks’ wife
austere garnet
I’m quite happy they gave it to her
wicked quarry
I will say I am on the fence on whether Cammys outfit is better than the one she got in SF6
austere garnet
Big buff bi/pan woman in a rad dress
We love to see it
wicked quarry
||I like the coat but man, the shorts are kinda wack||
austere garnet
I will say I am on the fence on whether Cammys outfit is better than the one she...
It’s just Balrog’s SF5 outfit tbh
cosmic forge
Okay so weird question
austere garnet
austere garnet
You know it’s gonna be good when Raz qualifies it three times
cosmic forge
Is it me or did every newcomer get eclipsed by Manon and Marisa
Like whomst the fuck cares about Jamie
austere garnet
JP is like the one real exception and that’s because he was top tier
Might still be
cosmic forge
Who is buying the game for Kimberley
wicked quarry
Oh youd be surprised
Kimberley and JP are super popular
Jamie is decently popular but hurt by being kind of eh
cosmic forge
Jamie isn’t I take it?
cosmic forge
I am absolutely unsurprised
austere garnet
Lily is lowkey fucking hated as far as I can tell
For like the exact same reason Chris is in KoF
cosmic forge
“Let’s make T Hawk again” - the words of the deranged
wicked quarry
Shes a grappler who isnt good
Also her design is like
A, meh
B, kinda skeevy for a minor
cosmic forge
B, kinda skeevy for a minor
God you know what this reminds me of
austere garnet
Mostly about him being hammered
cosmic forge
Another character who is a child, vaguely skeevy, and has boomerangs
wicked quarry
Oh Luke is technically a newcomer
austere garnet
No
wicked quarry
People actually like SF6 Luke