#Fighting Game Chat
prime forum
hollow swift
faint ice
enjoy!
ignore the server apocalypse, that is hopefully temporary
upper ledge
Eh, its only been like uh checks notes a month and a half are you kidding me
pearl burrow
dreamy mason
austere garnet
@wicked quarry https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIVhzWUJRI
iirc you liked the look of JP
wicked quarry
Absolutely
I love me some good villain characters with canes
I do wonder how good his teleports are
lunar depot
How do I pull off a Shoryuken? Genuine question.
late frost
The input is:
towards the opponent
down
down and towards + punch button
lunar depot
On a D-Pad?
late frost
Yes
Fightsticks only recognize the eight directions
If you imagine a keypad
789
456
123
The input would be 623
(This is called "keypad notation" and is a fairly common way of describing inputs.)
lunar depot
How do I do it on this? Pardon me.
shrewd furnace
Forward down forward
lunar depot
Like, I don't know how to do the down forward part.
I can do the Hadouken and the Tatsumaki kick thing.
shrewd furnace
Do hadouken but tap forward before doing it
late frost
It might be clunky
But you need to press down and forward at the same time on the D-pad
lunar depot
Hm... I guess I'll try that next time I have free time for a gaming sesh.
lunar depot
How do I do it on this? Pardon me.
Wait, what's keypad notation for this?
faint ice
623
lunar depot
No, I meant, how do I label the buttons?
faint ice
➡️ ⬇️ ↘️ ✊
lunar depot
Noted...
paper notch
Twitter
paper notch
faint ice
Can't wait for lil wayne to bring the hype
faint ice
he's got the rock lee weights
late frost
SF6 announcements soon....
faint ice
ping me before they start pls skip
faint ice
thx
late frost
it's show time
faint ice
oh it has a pre show?
late frost
I, too, was surprised at this
Okay, here we go
OC FIGHT LEGGOOO
DATING SIM ELEMENTS LET'S GOOO
they really went all out for this game
lots of features
austere garnet
DATING SIM ELEMENTS LET'S GOOO
Wat
faint ice
when u complete a master's (roster character) training
they have a little cutscene with you
late frost
also you can give them gifts
late frost
wicked quarry
But Im lazy
faint ice
1 year for Akuma?
It will be a year of peace
wicked quarry
Just gimme the Tl;Dw
late frost
solo mode is basically Budget Yakuza: Street Fighter
looks very fun
they mixed in RPG elements for progression as you play
you can customize your character's moveset as you play by meeting roster characters and learning their moves
can mix and match moves
more social features in Battle Hub
can fight with your unique characters in Battle Hub
Arcade Mode is back
there's an optional battle damage setting
accessibility options for visually impaired
gaunt cloud
Another game another akuma announced as dlc before the game's launch
austere garnet
Okay found who was asking for Rashid back
paper notch
Quick result that was
pearl burrow
The little bit of time I spent playing SF5, I spent primarily playing as Rashid
Stylish, fun, lots of movement options, and his story was interesting
lunar depot
Do you guys know Vega’s pattern?
shrewd furnace
Which one?
lunar depot
For The New Challengers?
late frost
Are you talking about his move inputs?
shrewd furnace
Do you mean how does he jump back and jump forward and hits you?
lunar depot
Yup.
lunar depot
You guys know that fiery Hadouken Ryu can do?
pearl burrow
the clothing store in SF6 is literally called "Drippin'"
sage cedar
lol
lunar depot
How do I do the Kikkoken (probably spelled that wrong)? D-pad again.
late frost
I believe it's a charge move in most games
Hold away from the opponent
wait for a little
press towards the opponent and punch at the same time
Different characters have different charge times
You'll have to feel it out
lunar depot
This is in The New Challengers again.
lunar depot
Hold away from the opponent
wait for a little
press towards the opponent and pun...
So like Guile?
late frost
Yeah
lunar depot
And what about the upside down spinning kick thing?
faint ice
shrewd furnace
do you want to play against tk mega fist?
upper ledge
honestly, just give pot air buster and I'd be happy
lunar depot
Who’s the best character for beginners in Street Fighter?
prime forum
well if i have to say ryu and ken are good beginners
if it mortal kombat well u have sub zero and scorpion
prime forum
if it dbfz ssj goku and ssj vegeta
small furnace
u will learn faster
prime forum
it rough starting out playing fighting games but it just takes time to get better and better
prime forum
well do you know how to block?
lunar depot
um, press the opposite direction on the D-pad?
prime forum
ur supposed to hold the opposite direction
prime forum
yes
there is also other stuff that can happen when blocking but i wont get into that
that like more advanced
lunar depot
Ok. So other than blocking, is there a way I can punish?
prime forum
whiff punishing or trading
wait you say she just spam kick....
you have a fire ball
oh wait chun li has one
prime forum
so imagine like boxing your opponent throws a jab at your face but you moved sideways or like back enough to let your opponent miss
the counter is when you do the same action and you hit your opponent
lunar depot
Ok, so whiff is like dodging and then countering?
prime forum
well that is what whiff countering is
lunar depot
Oh.
upper ledge
austere garnet
austere garnet
Yeah the detail work here is great
gaunt cloud
if it dbfz ssj goku and ssj vegeta
Disagree on vegeta
He was easy enough on launch
But as the seasons went on vegeta got kinda shafted in terms of his kit
So you have to put in more work for less payoff
He tries to be a zoner but his only projectile is basic ki blasts
His only way to open up opponents is with staggers
His damage is lackluster
His assist got outclassed
late frost
late frost
hmm
I wonder who I will create for my SF6 avatar
will I make myself
some famous figure or fictional character
or an OC
south lantern
To this day I am still amazed that Lili is canon to a Digimon timeline
prime forum
But as the seasons went on vegeta got kinda shafted in terms of his kit
unless ur fenritti
lunar depot
How do I beat T. Hawk? This guy always gives me a hard time.
shrewd furnace
Don’t let him get close to you and if you do, jump backwards or over him
Of course this isn’t foolproof but it should be fine to use for now
lunar depot
He keeps throwing me and headbutting me.
And worse than that, he just flies and hits me.
shrewd furnace
Tbh it’s a pretty simple strat in practice too
lunar depot
not for me…
shrewd furnace
T hawk also has a lot of counterplay tbh
lunar depot
what’s counterplay?
shrewd furnace
Ways to beat whatever strategy you decided to use
It’s the reason why grapplers are so scary, if you jump to avoid a grab, they can just hit you
Another strategy is to just run up and mash safe buttons but that loses to a smart grab
lunar depot
How do I time the aerial spin kick thing properly?
shrewd furnace
For which character against which character?
lunar depot
Tatsumaki Senpakyuku (i probably said that wrong).
I can’t time the jump and the input.
Does Chun Li have a weakness?
lunar depot
Tatsumaki Senpakyuku (i probably said that wrong).
And I did- it was Tatsumaki Senpukyaku…
shrewd furnace
Depending on which game it is, you have to be jumping forward to do it
Chun Li’s weakness is that she’s bad at dealing with people jumping in diagonally to her
lunar depot
Jumping in… diagonally? How does one do that on the SNES?
shrewd furnace
Up and forward
lunar depot
I remember she can jump on my head and hurt me though.
shrewd furnace
You can either block it and walk forward or try to time a tricky shoryu
lunar depot
You can either block it and walk forward or try to time a tricky shoryu
Hm. I guess I’m blocking then LMAO.
paper notch
wicked quarry
Holy shit
lunar depot
what game?
faint ice
Guilty Gear Strive
pearl burrow
I hate this with a passion but I respect the hustle on Pot's part
dreamy mason
yall see snake eyes's run at texas showdown?
faint ice
I seen it, he was actually built different
gaunt cloud
https://twitter.com/HomeDepotemkin/status/1650273349157924865?s=20
Noted for future use
paper notch
gaunt cloud
Til jigglypuff's rest puts a damaging flower on the opponent if it connects and doesn't kill the opponent
cosmic forge
You can tell I’m a fucking boomer because I still think Yamcha and Tien are fun in FighterZ
cosmic forge
Til jigglypuff's rest puts a damaging flower on the opponent if it connects and ...
You wanna know some far more obscure bullshit?
wicked quarry
Tien is fun in FighterZ
cosmic forge
@gaunt cloud Cloud’s Cross Slash is the only move with a 100-0 matchup against itself
Because Cloud writes 凶, the hitboxes are different depending on if he’s facing left or right
If two grounded Clouds spaced optimally use Cross Slash at exactly the same time, the one facing left will always win out, because the left-facing first hit has a slightly longer grounded hitbox
cosmic forge
Tien *is* fun in FighterZ
Weak aura: I will be a strong and consistent anchor for my team
Strong aura: fuck it, we Tri-Beam
fuck it, we Tri-Beam
fuck it, we Tri-Beam
cosmic forge
IF YOU DON’T WANNA DIE, GET OUT OF THE WAY.
gaunt cloud
<@!708512166470483998> Cloud’s Cross Slash is the only move with a 100-0 matchup...
Already knew that, but thanks
cosmic forge
This will sound dumb but FighterZ is like one of the only times in recent DB media that Tri-Beam has actually felt like the OG Tri-Beam
Like, “extremely destructive but costs Tien’s life force”
As opposed to “hey guys Tri-Beam is like Tien’s Kamehameha right”
gaunt cloud
Yea, it's tien's spirit bomb 
wicked quarry
Except in Limit Break and Spark, then it does no self damage
cosmic forge
Nothing more fun than going level 7
Chiaotzu dying every game tho
wicked quarry
I never use the Chiaotzu super tbh
wicked quarry
Actually he has one other use
dreamy mason
the hair in sf6 demo needs work
pearl burrow
Downloading it on Steam Deck now
lunar depot
How do I do the human missile thing with E. Honda?
teal pebble
It's a charge attack
Hold away from opponent for 2 seconds then forward and a pinch button
lunar depot
Lots of those exist, huh?
pearl burrow
Don't think it's an archetype per se, but you can find plenty of characters in different fighting games who use charge inputs
cosmic forge
anyone ever forget necalli exists
balmy parrot
yes
my BF roped me into playing MBTL
game is super fun, I'm a big fan of Red Arcueid and Powered Ciel
lunar depot
Dhalsim is also a little annoying... what's his weakness?
shrewd furnace
You can smack his hands when they stretch
late frost
Also, if you can get in close, he doesn't have many good tools to escape
and his HP is low
late frost
yeah
Dhalsim is the quintessential zoner
His core gameplan is about using his good range and projectiles to outrange the other guy and keep him out
lunar depot
Also, if you can get in close, he doesn't have many good tools to escape
Wait, can't he teleport?
late frost
I don't remember what game he first gets that
and they had to give him the teleport to keep up with tools other characters were getting
lunar depot
He could teleport in my game ("The New Challengers").
prime forum
Chiaotzu dying every game tho
chiaotzu has been a joke in any db game
he doesn't even has a SSR or sparking in dokkan/legends
prime forum
I will learn Tekken 7 Geese
PRETZEL MOTION BABY
upper ledge
upper ledge
Dhalsim is also a little annoying... what's his weakness?
he actually suffers from whiff punishing quite a bit, if he whiffs a big long range normal you can usually counter poke his limb before he retracts it
lunar depot
Punch Dhalsim’s arm? I guess I can do that.
lunar depot
I wonder if this applies in The New Challengers?
shrewd furnace
It does, whenever he attacks and you’re out of range, just jab him
dreamy mason
paper notch
wicked quarry
@austere garnet
austere garnet
Bahahaha
south lantern
lunar depot
Aside from a weaker Hadouken and stronger Shoryuuken, is there a difference between Ken and Ryu?
late frost
Ken and Ryu have become more and more divergent as the series has progressed
lunar depot
Hm, do tell?
late frost
You can compare their movesets in SF6
lunar depot
Ok.
shrewd furnace
In the new challengers, almost nothing is different between them besides the tatsu, shoryu, hadoken, and back throw
I don’t think Ken got crazy kicks until later but tbh I might be wrong
gaunt cloud
Played neutral with black for 45 seconds just to fail to block blue goku's autocombo
cosmic forge
it could be worse
prime forum
sf4 ryu and ken where pretty different
lunar depot
Ok.
gaunt cloud
Btw, does anyone know how to fix this issue? The connection fails every single time i go into ranked and the match starts
lunar depot
That Brazilian? Or Portuguese?
gaunt cloud
There is no "Brazilian" language, we just speak portuguese
Granted, it is a bit different compared to portugal's portuguese, but it's more akin to uk english and australian english
south lantern
The wonder of accent
gaunt cloud
That and like, a lot of words have different meanings between the 2 places
south lantern
While introducing their own idioms
Saying Shrimp on da Barbie without context in UK would net you raised eyebrows
cosmic forge
Saying Shrimp on da Barbie without context in UK would net you raised eyebrows
i just fucking cringed into my own soul
please don't type that ever again
austere garnet
I don’t think Ken got crazy kicks until later but tbh I might be wrong
iirc Ken has one move that’s a multihit in 2
That is a single for Ryu
This makes it objectively worse lmao
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uOT4uuqPWjo&pp=ygUSTGVvbiBNYXNzZXkgY2xvbmVz this is a fairly solid video about it and how they (and other “clones”) evolved over time
shrewd furnace
That is a single for Ryu
Tatsu, yep
Ken’s is multi hit and Ryu’s knocks down
gaunt cloud
ngl
kinda want to change teams in dbfz
nothing wrong with it really, my winrate is good with it
just want to play something else
any suggestions?
pearl burrow
OG Mixup master Yamcha or UI "boss music" Goku
upper ledge
You could always try playing some more unconventional characters like hit, keep in mind that he has a poopoo air game and odd combo routes. But for me, i always find characters to have clear flaws and clear stenghts to be the best to play as they force you to really understand the character rather than more all around characters.
Also hit makes donuts so theres that
gaunt cloud
Some characters i was considering were like
Every single blue haired character, hit, janemba, zamasu
Beerus
Tien
S broly
north latch
prime forum
hit in dbfz has probably one of my favorite supers and i call it the shotgun
the super that allows u to spend like 1-7 bars to deal like a small chunk to nearly killing the enemy
dreamy mason
paper notch
Twitter
lunar depot
Why do people like Juri? Just asking.
lunar depot
Either is fine. But keep it SFW, I'm a teen with the brain of a child.
teal pebble
most characters have people that vibe with them
lunar depot
💀
teal pebble
people have different tastes
lunar depot
Oh. OK.
teal pebble
i played her in sf4 i liked her design and her playstyle
shrewd furnace
The character itself is pretty decent but the reason why she’s so popular, more than she usually would be, is nsfw related
teal pebble
dark/purple theme vibes with me
lunar depot
Wait, does she do TKD, or is it something else?
teal pebble
yes
lunar depot
'Cause if she does TKD, I can try copying her fighting style.
pearl burrow
There's like what... Juri, Jinx,
lunar depot
The character itself is pretty decent but the reason why she’s so popular, more ...
Barefoot?
shrewd furnace
Yep
lunar depot
What's so cool about that, I used to go barefoot when I was learning TKD.
pearl burrow
And at least one other character who fits that "sadistic psychopathic long-haired lonely girl" personality
lunar depot
And at least one other character who fits that "sadistic psychopathic long-haire...
who?
shrewd furnace
What's so cool about that, I used to go barefoot when I was learning TKD.
No, I mean that’s the reason why she’s more popular than she usually would be, it’s a nsfw reason
teal pebble
mudkips
i dont feel comfortable with the attempt to make him understan
lets let him stay in innocently ignorant
lunar depot
But I'll admit Juri is kinda cool. In a scary way.
Wait, is it just me, or does she look a bit like Jolyne? Or Rita from MMPR?
lunar depot
Oh.
pearl burrow
But I'll admit Juri is kinda cool. In a scary way.
That's what people want
lunar depot
Huh.
shrewd furnace
I agree but I also have to be honest with him
lunar depot
After watching a gameplay video, I hypothesize that I cannot actually recreate Juri's fighting style IRL.
Is she a black belt or something?
pearl burrow
I went wiki diving, and apparently one of her eyes is replaced with a ki-compatible supercomputer called the Feng Shui Engine
pearl burrow
Her eye was already damaged when her family was assassinated by Shadaloo, so I doubt she cared about that at the time
teal pebble
I went wiki diving, and apparently one of her eyes is replaced with a ki-compati...
Yeah it's what allows her to do things like the fire all's and is the main thing if one of her supers
lunar depot
Hm.
shrewd furnace
Woo playing rev2 with friends after so long
paper notch
south lantern
Hololive related fanmade fighting games (yeah it's vtuber related)
My only reason to shill it is because one of my fella worked as sprite artist
paper notch
Very pog
dreamy mason
They gave demon flip to a zoner 
prime forum
shrewd furnace
demon flip on a zoner is cool but did you know
you can do a combo into dp super into 2 light dp into medium dp on ayame
it's only about 30% hp dmg but it's funny
shrewd furnace
Oh yep never mind the game has multiple touch of deaths, including one that follows up from what I posted
prime forum
you can do a combo into dp super into 2 light dp into medium dp on ayame
wtf
dp super into 2 L dp into a M dp on a certain character
upper ledge
shrewd furnace
dp super into 2 L dp into a M dp on a certain character
That’s actually not the only thing or the best thing she can do out of that but I’m too lazy to really lab it out
She can kill off dp super into L dp
L dp into 2m 2H L dp is much better
gaunt cloud
How the fuck do people pull off the 632146 motion?
prime forum
wait forward down back forward neutral forward?
how the hell
im just watching a kof 13 is that what ur asking for?
lunar depot
How do I beat Vega? I really can’t…
prime forum
what street fighter game u playing?
sf5? sf4?
cause if it sf4 then there multiple versions of sf4
lunar depot
Are there any Fei Long mains here?
prime forum
so rn im playing idol showdown in pc
Y is assist
J is light
K is medium
L is heavy
I is S
O is grab
P is burst
faint ice
faint ice
you mean weeks right
dreamy mason
gonna do some grinding fr
dreamy mason
wait nvm this doesn't include the other 8 chars
faint ice
it's the same as the closed beta yeah
pretty sure they don't want access to the rest of the cast before release
late frost
they know the HACKERMANS are out there
upper ledge
lunar depot
Too bad I can’t sidestep in SF2: TNC.
upper ledge
how + is this
if you don't continue to extend it it's -14 lmao
but you can always low parry guys
just remember
also if you just do 1 it's -3 on hit
but any hit after the second ends up being -11
HOWEVER, his recovery puts him back very far so you need a super long 11 frame punish from standing lmao
prime forum
HOWEVER, his recovery puts him back very far so you need a super long 11 frame p...
thats dumb
upper ledge
thats dumb
to be fair the moment he does the first hit you're either going to be low parrying or crouch blocking
(also the start up is frame 29)
prime forum
well the only game i kind of know on the psp is this somewhat arena fighter with final fantasy characters called dissidia duodecim012 but i wouldn't really call it a "fighting game"
lunar depot
Can I do Tekken?
prime forum
wait is tekken even on the psp?
cause i doubt there a ds tekken
tho MK did exist on the gba and that looked horrendous
oh there is tekken on the psp
lunar depot
Tekken 6.
prime forum
lunar depot
Which character is best for beginners in the first game?
man, this is hard to get used to.
And I lost to Michelle.
prime forum
tekken is very hard to learn
lunar depot
That's not very reassuring /j
prime forum
most people say watch ALOT OF VIDEOS on EVERYTHING IN TEKKEN and use training room a lot to make sure everything is perfect before even going online
lunar depot
I don't think the OG game has a training room.
faint ice
most people say watch ALOT OF VIDEOS on EVERYTHING IN TEKKEN and use training ro...
ngl this is bad advice
late frost
you can have fun in Tekken with a starter guide for your character
lunar depot
I’m stuck between Kazuya and law as my main.
shrewd furnace
Idol showdown is honestly sick
Super long combos aren’t necessary, neutral is whiff punish heavy, and almost every bnb is 30% damage
paper notch
shrewd furnace
Oh right and the obligatory there are 50-80% combos through exploits
prime forum
goated game
lunar depot
Gen vs Wang- who do you guys think would win?
paper notch
prime forum
usf4 man everyone was somewhat good
but man they did deejay really dirty
they gave him net neutral changes that either made him worse on paper or good in hella niches cases
oh deejay throw fireball well it counter hit if he gets hits
low sobat is your only knockdown tool and nothing else aside from a crouching mk or lk or hk
you have good ultras but uh very difficult to land and oh yeah your most preferred ultra if used put both you and your opponent at the middle of the stage in neutral
austere garnet
Tbf Dee Jay was bad in SF4 in general
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXw_Khbl2kM&pp=ygUTQmFkIEJhbGFuY2UgZGVlIGpheQ%3D%3D
Baf did a good video on tearing down why he was bad in USF4 but also why he was bad in SF4 overall across all versions
(Minus 3D, SF43D with charge characters was fucking wacky)
cosmic forge
(Minus 3D, SF43D with charge characters was fucking wacky)
Why?
late frost
You could bind specials to single button inputs
without any balancing to compensate for the fact that input complexity is a part of a move's balance
you could do walk forward sonic boom
standing 360s without buffers with ease
gaunt cloud
At least sf6 wont be repeating the same mistake
austere garnet
You could bind specials to single button inputs
without any balancing to compens...
This
You could bind specials to the touch screen
Which skipped motion inputs and charge inputs
gaunt cloud
3ds guile was certainly a character of all time
austere garnet
3DS single handedly made Guile comically absurd and made Dee Jay go from bottom tier to iirc upper mid
Just due to that
It is a wacky version of the game
cosmic forge
So here’s a question
If you wanted to, like… really annoy people
Who would you bring back in SF6
wicked quarry
Rufus probably
Rufus sounds like the character where everyone would hate his inclusion because he takes the slot of a character people actually care about
wicked quarry
Surprisingly Rufus does worse still
Wait
???
Am I reading this poll wrong?
Why is el Fuerte over Balrog
And Hugo, Menat and Dhalsim????
This makes no sense
cosmic forge
Nobody loves the SF5 cast lmao
gaunt cloud
Who would you bring back in SF6
Twelve
cosmic forge
Okay hear me out
gaunt cloud
Someone will regret thinking the character is cool and picking it up
wicked quarry
Nobody loves the SF5 cast lmao
Except Rashid
cosmic forge
and Laura
wicked quarry
Q at 4 shocks me
wicked quarry
Not because he isnt cool
cosmic forge
Q fans are just vocal
wicked quarry
But because I didnt think most SF players were around long enough to have played Q
wicked quarry
Sure
cosmic forge
Necalli: weird loser with zero threat that nobody likes who goes “DEVOUR OUR OUR”
Necalli theme: final boss vibes
wicked quarry
Wow it even starts with a choir
gaunt cloud
Ngl
Been listening to the strive ost even when not playing
The circle goes kinda hard
cosmic forge
wicked quarry
Have you ever seen Smells like Teen Spirit with the Neco Arc theme, Raz?
Can I inflict it upon you
cosmic forge
What
paper notch
The neco arc theme isnt in this one tho, is it?
paper notch
speaking of neco arc tho
austere garnet
https://youtu.be/1jOah-CoclM
This video is still 10/10
paper notch
upper ledge
coated in sugar
lunar depot
You guys wanna hear an opinion?
faint ice
coated in sugar
"He'll never expect it the fourth time!"
late frost
upper ledge
late frost
anybody got some Fubuki BNBs
shrewd furnace
5H 2H jH 5H 2H jH j214H 2H jH 5H 2H jH 214M
I’m not kidding (though this isn’t technically optimal, it is one of the highest damaging things she can do)
late frost
what assists are good for her
shrewd furnace
It depends on what you’re going for
Miko’s assist super lets you air unblockable loop someone in the corner
Kiara’s assist helps in the Botan matchup
Robocco’s assist is pretty bad but her assist super is within max damage combos
Mio’s assist lets you do Botan levels of damage and her super lets you extend your combos
I don’t really like of the others
late frost
is there air blocking in IS?
shrewd furnace
Yep
dreamy mason
yeah
shrewd furnace
But her 2H is air unblockable
dreamy mason
which assist do ppl usually pair with botan
shrewd furnace
Which is how the Miko loop can occur
For Botan I’ve mostly seen Miko and Robocco but she really doesn’t need it so Kiara is useful
Botan already does a ton of damage on her own and doesn’t have too many tricks with assists other than Robocco full combo
late frost
5H 2H jH 5H 2H jH j214H 2H jH 5H 2H jH 214M
is this corner-only?
shrewd furnace
The timing’s a bit tricky
You land first and you have to catch them in the air
I think it doesn’t work if you’re too close to the corner due to not being able to turn around too
late frost
hmm
shrewd furnace
If you want an easier one (that also doesn’t use meter) there’s
5H 2H jH 5H 2H jH 214M
late frost
the dummy is landing before I do
can't get the QCB
shrewd furnace
You can always extend the combo like:
5M 5H 4H 2H jH microdash 2M 5H 2H jH SSR j214M 2H jH (ips bypass) 5H 2H jH j214M
shrewd furnace
You cancel the jH to 214H
You should be landing before the opponent when 214H finishes
late frost
but it's not the air special
shrewd furnace
Oh I probably miswrote the input then
Because I meant the air 214H
The air 214H should let you get a wall bounce and you should be on the ground before the opponent
Unless the changed it yesterday (possible)
late frost
so I can get
2H j.H (land) 214H raw
but not in a combo
hmm
all the air specials are the same, regardless of input
shrewd furnace
I usually just get the 2H jH (groundbounce) 2H jH (cancel) j214H
And that gives me the (fake wall) wallbounce into catching them with 2H
late frost
hmm
ye
if I wait to land after the second j.H, it knocks down instead of bouncing again
and if I cancel j.H into j.214H, it just gives the non-metered air special
shrewd furnace
You cancel the jH with the 214H, you don’t wait for the opponent to get close to the ground
Wait
Maybe they changed it then?
If that’s the case then just do the same thing but instead eat a burger beforehand
shrewd furnace
Because even yesterday I was doing it and sometimes got the problem you have and sometimes would properly get the j214H
Without SSR I mean
But yeah burger combos is actually good too
late frost
well, all her specials have a chance to be SSR without burger buff
burger just guarantees next special is SSR
shrewd furnace
Yeah but I mean the 214H animation and without SSR popping up
late frost
hmm
shrewd furnace
You can do 5M 4H 22S 5H 2H >combo
SSR 22M combos are possible here but the damage is pretty much the same
Just do whatever is easiest for you
My funniest combo is that bnb but you keep getting SSR tatsu so the infinite prevention system doesn’t work and I think I did 55% or so in a real match with 2 SSRs
late frost
shrewd furnace
Well more like you can but it’s very defensive in nature
You can fireball from full screen (never closer, fireball is minus on hit) and hope they jump in when you dash forward
You can do a 3 way oki situation with jL, empty jump 2L, or cross up 4M
You can armor through moves with 4H and go for your 2H bnb
Or you can just scramble and hope your war crime disjointed jH clips them
late frost
can you do any mixups with Miko Reflector
shrewd furnace
Not realy
Maybe you can get them to jump with Miko out and then go for a 2H
Otherwise all you have is hoping you counterpoke or a regular high low
Lava bucket tho
Now that’s a good one
shrewd furnace
Is it?
I’ve actually never used it that way
Usually I just use it to ips bypass unavoidable air unblockable loop someone
I guess that’s one use of aegis tbf
Fubuki has a funny anti burst tool
You can go through burst with SSR 214L and hit them with something like a second and a half of stun
Which actually makes kanata super usable
prime forum
5H 2H jH 5H 2H jH j214H 2H jH 5H 2H jH 214M
i was gonna say why is there so much crouching roundhouse and i though wait this combo doesn't seem to work with fubuki in street fighter
gaunt cloud
S broly's 2M has changed my life and improved me as a person
prime forum
then there z broly
why is he so good
freiza the dedicated zoner in dbfz GETS OUTZONED out by z broly and everyone else
paper notch
pearl burrow
I mean I saw Maximillian Dood of all people basically freestyling with her lmao
shrewd furnace
Too bad she’s considered less strong than before now 
Still very strong but Aki and Sora are absurd
Ayame dropped off hard
paper notch
sure, nice damage botan
now watch this instant teleport that goes either above, behind you or in place
martian manhunter ass character
wicked quarry
sure, nice damage botan
now watch this instant teleport that goes either above, ...
Oh so that character is Goku Black?
paper notch
idk if goku black is a vtuber
wicked quarry
I mean they do have Godtube up there
paper notch
ill defer to your expertise on the matter
oh, apparently the teleport has partial invincibillity?
im gonna take a guess and say that the main person in charge of balance is a fan of this aki person
paper notch
i wouldnt know
shrewd furnace
Yep
She has an invuln teleport, good mix ups, and can mid/low you full screen
Including an infinite blockstring (if this hasn’t been patched yet)
paper notch
wicked quarry
Bruv
shrewd furnace
And she was considered mid/bad at launch because Botan and Ayame existed
Poor Ayame players tho
She looked like she was gonna be top tier but she’s mid at best
south lantern
Ayame is intended for newbie friendly character so that prolly the case
or u legit
late frost
it's built of the GGPO framework
late frost
shrewd furnace
Oh no
Korone has an infinite
In corner (easy since this is Korone we’re talking about) 5M 2H 22L 5M 2H 22L 5M 2H 22L (IPS bypass) 5M and so on
Too bad tomorrow is balance patch
Right after people figured out Aki is the best in the game and after people pumped a ton of hours into her
prime forum
In corner (easy since this is Korone we’re talking about) 5M 2H 22L 5M 2H 22L 5M...
this is a teabag infite
your doing 3 teabags inbetween a 5M
prime forum
wait what
so the 22H drops the combo
but you reset it with 5M
or does it still stale once you do the 22H
shrewd furnace
I think they have an opportunity to get out
Yeah you can’t combo 22H to 5M
You can combo 2H to 22L that can combo into 5M if you delay the 22L
lunar depot
https://youtu.be/WAvVdlrHAKA
Yay- TaeKwonDo.
shrewd furnace
Aki or Botan or Sora
They’re all zoners and top tier but hard to play and to play correctly you need to be able to play their combo games
For the easy one, go Botan
cosmic forge
Can I just point out that this is like
the equivalent of a Jerma vs Northernlion fighting game
south lantern
https://youtu.be/WAvVdlrHAKA
What are the chance of having 2 fighters suddenly got their eyes back after wearing eyepatch in previous game, and also doing Akira slide during their respective reveal trailer? 
paper notch
south lantern
paper notch
south lantern
dreamy mason
upper ledge
paper notch
wicked quarry
So, apparently
Japanese FGC are so afraid of pissing off the V-tuber fans
That they have changed terminology just to not offend them
For Idol Showdown
paper notch
shou kawaii move
to be accurate, its specifically the japanese fanbase that is apparently quite feral
cause ive heard sajam use just the usual vernacular and he has received absolutely zero pushback so far
wicked quarry
I did say Japanese FGC
shrewd furnace
Meanwhile I still call grimy moves war crimes just like the old melty players
gaunt cloud
That they have *changed terminology* just to not offend them
Wait, what terms?
shrewd furnace
They’re censoring themselves and calling absolutely grimy moves “kawaii” because insinuating that any part of a vtuber is grimy will lead you to Twitter bullying
wicked quarry
And tier list tiers are also renamed
shrewd furnace
Damn no more ips bypass
At least now the game is consistently 3-4 touch deaths rather than- oh wait Aki still has her OTG “reset” that’s actually a true combo
Not to mention Ame on Coco or pretty much anyone who can utilize OTG
shrewd furnace
I like how they called fubuki’s fireball being bad a bug
Also I think the OTG air unblockable loop would be considered unintended behavior
upper ledge
upper ledge
cosmic forge
They’re censoring themselves and calling absolutely grimy moves “kawaii” because...
What source?
shrewd furnace
The… Japanese fgc and the rest of the fgc that’s looking at that and spreading it?
cosmic forge
No like
Can you send me something showing it
I believe you but I wanna show a friend
shrewd furnace
https://twitter.com/terminal_emil/status/1655248151023083522
This guy breaks it down a bit more than the others, he’s not the first to bring it up
Twitter
Inside the comment is a link to a Japanese tweet when translated basically warns people to use “inoffensive” lingo to prevent any flame from the idol community
cosmic forge
This is the funniest shit ever
late frost
Z Broly is very kawaii
pearl burrow
Fusions are absolutely oshi
upper ledge
it's mainly a joke move
there are some situation where suicide is a good option cuz it's unblockable
case in point
"guaranteed" wall ender
prime forum
lol
prime forum
https://twitter.com/nzeropants/status/995190360325308416?lang=en
was that in korea or japan
cause damn the surprise on the commentator is funni
upper ledge
Korean
upper ledge
shrewd furnace
Very kawaii interaction
paper notch
prime forum
lol double roman cancel?
upper ledge
We dont whiff in this house
prime forum
bruh idol showdown has one of the assist dr doom rocket assist
i think thats from dr doom i might be wrong
shrewd furnace
Hidden missiles yep
Sadly it’s nowhere near spammable nor does it take no effort
Which makes it kinda meh
lunar depot
Have you guys heard of Street Fighter: Rainbow Edition?
shrewd furnace
Yep, it was (partially) the inspiration for many anime games
lunar depot
Really now?
wicked quarry
Oh, it lead into Darkstalkers?
shrewd furnace
Street fighter 2 did a lot of things for the fgc unintentionally
I believe so, I don’t think there’s official documentation but there are inspirations from rainbow edition seen in pretty much all anime games (including non anime games like darkstalkers and especially MvC)
cosmic forge
LMAOOOOOOO
Twitter
Maister got salty he lost to a kid
and the kid’s mum clapped back
late frost
damn
really got hit with the "I'm telling mom"
prime forum
wow smash players getting exposed by how double standards on how they act
not surprised though cause they do sort of kind act differently on stream to sometimes tournaments streams
unless ur kiraflax or k9 then yeah...but i think they stopped doing what there doin i think
upper ledge
wow smash players getting exposed by how double standards on how they act
smash fans try not to get mad when they get beat by children in a video game targeted towards children challenge (impossible)
I remember when Ally lost to that 15 year old
people were like, bullying her
actual fucking losers
lunar depot
Bullying the 15 yo?
prime forum
bro we know you guys are good but deep down smash fans can't watch there favorite player lose to someone that didn't put in the time they get mad
okay yeah i found the video
the 15 year old deleted twitter but before that she said im quitting smash, quitting streaming, changing names so she doesn't get the attention that she did
pearl burrow
prime forum
bruh monke brain do monke stuff
WHY WOULD U DP ON WAKEUP AGAINST A GRAPPLER
with full meter
upper ledge
i talked to them earlier, they misinputted. it WAS supposed to be super lmao
prime forum
remember to techroll kids
bruh
cosmic forge
@austere garnet realistic haohmaru is fucking cursed
look at his fucking hair i hate it so much
austere garnet
Yes
teal pebble
and this art was thrown into the pits of hell to never be seen again
or was suppose to
teal pebble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWrkvCU-zhQ&ab_channel=arcsystemworks
needs to be 
hot take i dont want Asuka to be added in
pearl burrow
hungry clicker disagrees https://twitter.com/click_burgundy/status/1658839673605705729?s=20
paper notch
gaunt cloud
Very hyped for asuka because that dude is 100% gonna be a zoner
And ggst kinda doesnt have a pure zoner yet
Axl's projectiles are weirdly commital and hc is basically a rushdown hybrid
faint ice
Yoo asuka has a cape??
wicked quarry
Asuka R. Kreutz is confirmed as the next character (To no ones surprise)
Comes out in a week
Season 3 confirmed
teal pebble
It feels like such a journey
From being teased about and not only getting snippets of him from the beginning to the series to him appearing xx but staying behind the scenes and then getting to see a bit of his power in overture to this
pearl burrow
oh, they have the notes out? I've only seen the preview video
wicked quarry
No I mean
gaunt cloud
He's a full-on zoner, from the looks of it
teal pebble
I have never seen a guy be this excited to have a zoner
pearl burrow
I mean... I kinda get it lol
between Frieza, Mega Man, and kinda-sorta-Johnny I've played my fair share of characters who like keep-away
Is it just me, or does Asuka actually have a move that swaps the two fighters' positions on the screen?
teal pebble
Man sad they don't make any throwbacks to his moves in oveture
wicked quarry
Is it just me, or does Asuka actually have a move that swaps the two fighters' p...
So it would seem
gaunt cloud
Anyway, can't wait for the 15492739 catboy mods to show up at day 1
teal pebble
When I get a better a laptop/desktop definitely maining him
That man was one of my favorite character in GG up there with raven
faint ice
Is it just me, or does Asuka actually have a move that swaps the two fighters' p...
I think it was just his TP and testament at the same time
teal pebble
Also hope Gabriel finally becomes playable next season
paper notch
from ultrakill?
gaunt cloud
Gabriel's super would just be pot instantly showing up from the ground and doing a hpb
faint ice
I also don't think zoner looking at the trailer
beyond the funny void of red cube move
wicked quarry
Even that one looks more like a way to cover your approach
Anyway my hopes for Season 3 are
Venom
Answer
Gabriel (because funny)
And Slayer
faint ice
I would be very surprised if strive ever got a lambda/nu12 type function
gaunt cloud
My wishlist rn is like
balmy parrot
I'm kinda sad because 3/4 of the DLC characters this season are less monkeybrained rushdown and more complicated, low damage setplay characters
I'll never have Accent Core Ky again
balmy parrot
yeah but consider that this is Guilty Gear
I personally want them to BS some way into adding ||Ragna the Bloodedge||
faint ice
I got sin so I'm content
gaunt cloud
My wishlist rn is like
Venom, slayer, johnny, and either elphelt or dizzy
pearl burrow
I just want Johnny
faint ice
I don't really mind whoever's in season 3
Johnny wouldn't surprise me through raw popularity
gaunt cloud
I just want Johnny
Saaaame
faint ice
wicked quarry
We dont need more warcrime characters
gaunt cloud
In the ideal world we would get zappa back but the world isnt ready for that
balmy parrot
I also want 1:1 Centralfiction Ragna
like, no changes
same sprite, same moves, same damage, same buttons
gaunt cloud
I want an IK mode dlc
pearl burrow
I also want 1:1 Centralfiction Ragna
that is... incredibly specific
teal pebble
<:weirdchamp:636293304765513728>
Brings back one of the best themes so I'm all for it
Besides she will.be reworked to the ground anyway
lunar depot
I can’t for the life of me recall which button does which attack.
wicked quarry
same sprite, same moves, same damage, same buttons
I mean
Thats gonna be a problem just by the fact that one DP kills every character
balmy parrot
that is... incredibly specific
someone punching so far below his weightclass that the most played Guilty Gear character is Ragna the Bloodedge
wicked quarry
Hell, his 2B kills every character
balmy parrot
I hate this game
wicked quarry
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