I just like that we have another shredded lady
#Fighting Game Chat
austere garnet
Now we just need another dude who isn’t completely fucking jacked that isn’t Luke
Bring back the emo twink from 3
wicked quarry
I just like that we have another shredded lady
Dont you mean two?
austere garnet
…?
wicked quarry
Marisa exists 
austere garnet
Wait
I’ve been talking about Marisa the whole time
And just
Saying the wrong name
late frost
lol
late frost
Manon I think is pretty well defined too
wicked quarry
I like Marisa
austere garnet
Marisa is cool
wicked quarry
Her moves just have impact
austere garnet
Now just give us another shithead twink
Or bring back this idiot
So we can have a dude who isn’t totally shredded that isn’t Luke
late frost
You know Remy is never coming back as long as Guile keeps making appearances
austere garnet
Just Ken the fuck out of him
Make him Guile but not really
We have five Shotos at a clip (not counting Anti-Shotos like Sagat)
We can have two guile’s
pearl burrow
Ryu and Manon, probably
Chun-Li, Guile, Jamie and Cammy also look interesting though
austere garnet
Jamie does look cool admittedly
gaunt cloud
Why do i have a feeling they'll dlc lock Akuma again?
No reasoning as to why, just a feeling
shrewd furnace
Because Akuma is that sort of character
Generates hype when revealed, generally high tier, high risk high reward gameplay is loved
gaunt cloud
Also holy shit Goku Black is so fun to play with
Guy legit just wins neutral so easily
pearl burrow
He's come a long way
dreamy mason
wtf
shrewd furnace
El Fuerte was an annoying character to fight but the infinite could be fun for some people
steel gale
cosmic forge
@austere garnet https://twitter.com/SpankyDraws/status/1629327088779165696
paper notch
sage cedar
angry karate girl noises
teal pebble
Or bring back this idiot
Unpopular opinion but I want him back
I liked his design and wish he got a chance in another game so that he can potentially get justice cause he was done dirty in 3
austere garnet
https://twitter.com/LunyDoobles/status/1629143614046568448?s=20
Not pinging me for best girl smdh
austere garnet
<@456226577798135808> https://twitter.com/SpankyDraws/status/1629327088779165696
This
This is a flawless shitpost
paper notch
Not pinging me for best girl smdh
I knew you wouldve seen her
gaunt cloud
Possibly dumb question, but, what do i do after a super dash?
Surely the game doesn't lock you to only jLLL, right?
late frost
depends on the character and the actions you've already taken
if you haven't spent your double jump/air dash, you can use that
some characters have air specials that wall bounce or ground bounce to get an extension
depending on your assists, you may be able to use that to land and get an extension
you can vanish and may be able to get a significant extension depending on how close to the ground you are
at the very least, a lot of characters have an air special that they favor as an air combo ender
gaunt cloud
How do i know what can i do with my team?
late frost
some combo videos and character guides provide post-SD routes
other than that, hop into the lab
superdash
and then experiment with followups
late frost
Basically, you can tag mid-combo
Some characters really like it as a way to finish their combos if their own enders aren't great
It's also a way to switch characters safely after getting a hit
gaunt cloud
I see
Is it a "new" thing?
Seen it mainly pop up in discussions around the time season 3 dropped
late frost
Relatively
It was added late in the game's life
gaunt cloud
Btw, what did the heavy variants of specials did when ex moves weren't a thing?
late frost
They were always "EX" versions
The heavy versions of specials used to take a full special bar, memory serve me right
Now they only take half a special bar
gaunt cloud
I see
pearl burrow
Combo tag and half bar ex moves were both season 3 changes iirc
paper notch
gaunt cloud
When doing a combo, what should i prioritize? Corner carry? Meter gain? Damage?
faint ice
that question is huge
like it depends on the game, it depends on the life of the oponent, it depends on what your character can do with corner or with meter
tldr: situational
late frost
When doing a combo, what should i prioritize? Corner carry? Meter gain? Damage?
broadly speaking
If you can secure a character kill, go for it. Spend the meter, commit the resources.
If you can't secure a kill of a touch, then you need to think about what you're going to do after you finish the combo. Generally speaking, if you can't kill, look for combo routes and enders that put you in an advantageous position where you can continue to press an advantage. Even a simple SKD where you can do a simple meaty is better than returning to neutral and having to win neutral again.
gaunt cloud
Gotcha
Btw, what is stagger pressure? Seen the term thrown around but i don't know exactly what it means
late frost
let me give you a practical example first
When I press 5L, there are multiple things I can do afterwards. To simplify, let's limit ourselves to the following options: I can press 5L again right away to get 5LL, I can introduce a small delay then press 5L for 5LL, I can wait for a longer delay and press 5L for a new 5L, or I can do nothing.
If I press 5L right away, I'm going to have a true blockstring. The opponent goes from 5L's blockstun to 5LL, with no opportunity to act. This also means the opponent has no opportunity to make a mistake.
If I delay a little bit, I'm still going to get 5LL, but now there will be a small gap between 5L and 5LL. There is now a space for the opponent to act. If the opponent makes a hard read, they could theoretically do a reversal here like reflect or Level 3 and punish you. But they probably won't, at least not the first time you do it. Why?
Because you can do nothing. If you go from 5L to blocking, and the opponent tries to reversal, you can get a big punish on them. It's risky to for them to try to interact when the risk-reward is so weighted against them.
But then we run into a problem. Once we do 5LL, we can't go backwards. Once the opponent sees the 5LL, we've limited ourselves in what we can do. So all the opponent has to do is wait to see the 5LL, and then the risk-reward is weighted better in their favor.
But what if we don't ever do 5LL? What if we do 5L... into 5L... into 5L? Then we can always threaten frame-trapping 5LL without overcommitting.
Of course, if we get predictable, then the opponent can make hard reads -- or more likely, use their gut feeling and rhythm to predict --and punish us.
But this is the core of stagger pressure. Using ambiguous rhythm and delays to simultaneously threaten:
- frametraps (to discourage mashing normals to interrupt and "steal" a turn)
- blocking (to discourage hard reversals like reflect and supers)
- and resetting our blockstring (to discourage waiting for us to overcommit to a mixup or blockstring to take their turn)
If you've ever watched pro play and wondered why players were doing 5L into another 5L into (say) 5LL into another 5L, that is an example of stagger pressure.
My old coach liked to use the phrase, "Create respect, abuse respect."
Strong stagger pressure will generally cause the opponent to either panic and try to interact with you, or clam up and keep blocking until they feel safe enough to reversal.
If the opponent refuses to respect your pressure, you can keep frame-trapping and blocking/punishing their reversals.
If the opponent gives you too much respect and never challenges you, you can start doing "fake" and "unsafe" mixups because they're too scared to try to punish you.
@gaunt cloud Stagger pressure is a big part of high level play, and the core ideas of stagger pressure are present in basically every fighting game, even if they manifest differently. If you put a little time to understanding it, it will really pay off for you.
upper ledge
I find dbfz stagger to be a little bit different however, due to reflect. You have to really pay attention to your offense because if you stagger incorrectly, you'll end up whiffing a move after reflect potentially resulting in a punish
and if you want to, just go for an un-interactable 50/50 (kid buu A lmao)
gaunt cloud
Time to go unlearn all my blockstrings because they were pre patch ones
2L,5LL,2M,5M,5S,5H,2H is very cursed, tho
cosmic forge
sharp imp
<@!119917923430170627> https://twitter.com/connorcarried/status/1629974458252263...
yeah I brought this up in video game chat a few hours ago
cosmic forge
yeah I brought this up in video game chat a few hours ago
but it’s a fighting game
pearl burrow
Not mutually exclusive
cosmic forge
out of 100 what are the odds of necalli being added to sf6
faint ice
0.1
gaunt cloud
A lot of ppl are saying "just ban the tech"
I don't think it's possible, let alone manageable
cosmic forge
A lot of ppl are saying "just ban the tech"
Like the thing is
How could you possibly check
For obvious cases like nullifying a bair or something sure
But how do you prove someone doesn’t just have good SDI
gaunt cloud
Yea
paper notch
https://twitter.com/FGAnniversaries/status/1630416588506628096?s=20 i guess well have a fg news drought for a bit
late frost
gaunt cloud
Is there any assist that does what ssj vegeta A does?
late frost
one of Janemba's assists is similar
in that's it's a long duration ki blast assists
but it's not exactly the same
SSJ Vegeta A is a pretty unique assist
upper ledge
janemba A honestly just powercreeps super vegeta A
it tracks
also janemba spawns behind you when you call the assist so there's little risk of him getting stuffed out from far away
it gives you air dr from pretty much anywhere
also the first ki blast is not reflectable (for some reason)
paper notch
crude imp
cosmic forge
Who here was into Marvel again?
I’ve been meaning to ask, has anyone been doing stuff with Super-Skrull lately?
Always liked him
late frost
it's been a long time since I've played or kept up with the modern competitive scene
but UMvC3 is still probably my favorite fighting game of all time
wicked quarry
Same and same
gaunt cloud
man
kinda wild seeing parrying being consistently used in competitive smash only just recently
cosmic forge
kinda wild seeing parrying being consistently used in competitive smash only jus...
tbf we had two years of online input delay
teal pebble
Input delay of 2 year
cosmic forge
Input delay of 2 year
<:MonkaSs:625420641167999016>
unironically close to the truth
mellow palm
Super skrull always seemed like a fun character
But I’m not very good at using him outside of mashing tenderizer
gaunt cloud
Tfw you input stuff too slow during a block string, so you automatically make frametraps by accident
upper ledge
But I’m not very good at using him outside of mashing tenderizer
Just use the apologyman team and thats all you need
gaunt cloud
Ok so my team rn is cell, black, and ssj vegeta
Which assist do i run on cell?
A secondary beam assist is nice, but b assist makes black's 214H mixup easier to connect
upper ledge
I'd recommend A, it has more blockstun and visual noise making the mixup stronger. it has longer startup so I recommend timing it earlier
However, B is fast af and has pretty good range so if you want better neutral control I'd use that one
there's a good reason why cell is a point character lmao his assists are ass
paper notch
rancid wolf
anyone playing dbfz?
mellow palm
Got bored and thought of a roster concept for MvC4
mellow palm
Lowkey I don’t know very many capcom antagonists that aren’t from DMC or street fighter
teal pebble
It's a joke with him only be playable in special editions of games
mellow palm
That does make sense tho
Also an unwritten rule that he’s the best character in said game
I kinda wanna see super obscure marvel characters in the future tho
cosmic forge
Hbox banned Steve
late frost
Shit
The hype is getting to me
I might pre-order WWE 2K23
late frost
a very young one on the scale of things, but yes
cosmic forge
a very young one on the scale of things, but yes
I heard Zangief was way more wrestling in SF6
Can you confirm
sage cedar
at least based on impression that Maximillian Dood got that's true
late frost
I heard Zangief was way more wrestling in SF6
Yes, definitely more professional wrestler/"sports entertainer" and less "big guy throwing his weight around doing pro wrestling moves"
@cosmic forge I'm at work rn but I can explain more later
sharp imp
Hbox banned Steve
I’m at least glad there’s more experimentation to bans to get better answers. HBox of all people spearheading this definitely would make western TOS comfortable with the idea of banning Steve.
The biggest problem with doing this is that Japanese TOs and top players are very against banning anything
Which was why no action was taken on Brawl Meta Knight, Smash 4 Bayo, or Smash 4 Cloud in Doubles
Bayo I think had 2 countries experimemt with bans at most
So if down the road Steve does get a big permanent ban western side, this may cause a moderate meta feud with Japan
Simultaneously, there’s also a low bounty set at to anyone who can reproduce PMLG (the glitch that Steve is getting banned over) in bracket at an event that still has Steve unbanned
The funniest part of this whole situation is definitely Jake, one of the better Steve mains.
He’s dropping smash professionally for focus on education, but as a result he is the best Steve main who is actually advocating getting Steve banned.
paper notch
wicked quarry
https://twitter.com/silenthooper/status/1631403264850681861?s=20
@austere garnet
austere garnet
I saw this the other day. It’s great.
upper ledge
broly pls
carmine dove
Would smash count here?
late frost
ye
we do allow party games here
no but for real
there's a decent number of people here who follow pro smash
carmine dove
Just wanted to know, since it, Tekken 4, and that weird Naruto fighting game on the GameCube are the only ones I have played.
pearl burrow
for DBFZ, it's when you're able to land on the ground briefly mid-combo
by doing so, you're able to reset your aerial movement options- jump, airdash, possibly superdash and knockdown but I don't know that for sure
gaunt cloud
I see
pearl burrow
by resetting your aerial movement options, you can keep the combo going for longer and thus get more damage or better screen control
for an example, albeit one taken to the absolute extreme, look up some of Wawa's OTK setups with SSJ4 Gogeta
He used assists to keep the opponent in hitstun and in the air, while he touched the ground and racked up Finish Sign counters. Then he'd jump back into the air, continuing the combo, and rinse and repeat until he had 7 counters and could instakill with SSJ4 Gogeta's alternate level 3
gaunt cloud
Oh shit you can do that?
pearl burrow
this was over a year ago, pre-Lab Coat 21. I think they've adjusted some of the assists to make this harder to do now
pearl burrow
It always helps to get an idea of what the upper levels of character optimization look like, but don't hold yourself to that standard and try not to put them on pedestals either
pro players are still just people
pearl burrow
Even just DBFZ YouTubers can help, up to a certain point
late frost
@cosmic forge okay now that it is tomorrow
Old Zangief was very much "big muscular Russian patriot who fights using pro wrestling moves"
Over the years they've moved away from the "Russian patriot" aspect of his character, and took inspiration from his pro wrestling moves and really leaned into the pro wrestler character.
His demeanor has changed much more into that of a performer
And parallel to that, more and more of his moves and mannerisms are coming from professional wrestling/"sports entertainment"
gaunt cloud
watching the world tour for dbfz rn
yasha's blockstring lasts for so fucking long holy shit
late frost
part of that is because he's having a conversation with his opponent
he is using his ambiguity to threaten multiple things
which in turn affords him more leeway to extend his blockstring
Yasha is also one of the best players in the world
late frost
it's a way to avoid most assists
after the opponent expends their assist, it's safer for you to approach
gaunt cloud
i see
also i don't think i've seen a single round without either gogeta blue or vegito
late frost
damn
this is hype
gaunt cloud
man
novix can't catch a break
"you need to get washed to get clean"
YASHA GOES HOME 
pearl burrow
gaunt cloud
upper ledge
paper notch
gaunt cloud
Shanks lost to his controller 
gaunt cloud
THE COMEBACK 
late frost
really announced BT4 before we got rollback
wicked quarry
What were the teams?
cosmic forge
ALSO, NEW BALANCE PATCH LFG
did ginyu get buff
gaunt cloud
we got an announcement, but not what's on it
late frost
yo one more balance patch?
late frost
...
Considering Double Lariat is typically performed with all 3 punch buttons, the move will have to do something different for its Overdrive whether that be making the attack use motions now, only 2 punches or a combination of punches and kicks.
SF6 Director Takayuki Nakayama confirmed Zangief's level 1 Super is called Aerial Russian Slam, which seems to work as both an anti-air as well as extension from his level 2.
The new footage also shows off that Cyclone Lariat has 2 different versions. The initial trailer showed him striking a pose and slamming Honda into the floor.
According to Nakayama (as translated by our own Nicholas 'MajinTenshinhan' Taylor), Gief will continue to spin and launch the opponent if the player holds the button down after activating the Super.
With Zangief's level 1 Super being an anti-air grab, that might mean the grappler has no true reversals in his arsenal aside from his level 3 command grab unless they decide to give OD Double Lariat those properties.```How important is it to learn character specific combos?
Stuff like "this only works on 1/3 of the cast"
hollow swift
Have you guys heard of the new fighting game, vanquish souls
late frost
How important is it to learn character specific combos?
If it's that small a portion of the cast, not worth it
If it works on most characters and only doesn't work on a few, then it's fine
gaunt cloud
If it's that small a portion of the cast, not worth it
If it works on most chara...
What's usually the threshold, if any?
late frost
What's usually the threshold, if any?
tbh it'll depend on how often you remember who it does and doesn't work on
and how much it means to you to squeeze every bit of damage out of a touch
I usually don't bother learning a combo if it doesn't work on more than three characters
also remember to practice your combos firstly on the smallest characters
and then on a variety of characters
in DBFZ I usually do combos on Kid Goku
test for weird edge cases with Krillin and Z Broly
late frost
it's very strong
especially against people with bad movement
the primary weakness would be that beam assists are usually pretty weak for combo extension outside of the corner
and that beam assists aren't as great midscreen
but still
double beam represents a lot of screen control
late frost
AEW: Fight Forever announced as complete
Meanwhile, Yukes still trying to squash bugs:
late frost
gaunt cloud
only if cell gets an orlando magic skin
mellow palm
If anyone needs a basketball skin it’s 16
late frost
EX Lariat footage
The kriginak source is from Japanese twitter but I can't dig for it rn
late frost
paper notch
wicked quarry
George transcends Blazblue
upper ledge
lmao
austere garnet
Kek Fucking W
gaunt cloud
Twitter
upper ledge
paper notch
the one who knocks you all down?
sage cedar
with Hell Sweep
late frost
austere garnet
Ngl I went from utterly ambivalent on this feature to strongly disliking it as time has passed tbqh
Though iirc you can just use a standard announcer so that’s fine
I think it’s really fuckin’ obnoxious to listen to
late frost
I'll see how I feel when the game comes out
I think it's a fun way for including community members and guest celebs
dreamy mason
as long as we can mod it
late frost
damn
this is it
one last hurrah for SFV
I might get it
hmm
it comes with the base game
doesn't look like they're selling a version that's just the CE upgrade + Season 5 Premium
oh nvm they are
oh shit SFxT is back
they took it down because of old Games for Windows LIVE issues
the base edition is even cheaper
late frost
late frost
hair pillar is a cosmetic, don't you worry
in case middle-age mother hair Paul doesn't appeal to you
austere garnet
Can we have Tekken 4 Paul
sage cedar
Yeah T4 Paul was awesome
gaunt cloud
Ngl
Want to replace ssj vegeta on my team, character is kinda ass
ssj goku or base goku?
pearl burrow
They're both good, but SSJ Goku is simpler to learn while Base Goku has higher damage output
Why do you want to replace SSJ Vegeta? Or rather, what were you using him for?
late frost
They fulfill very different roles tbh
Super Spirit Bomb is something that you really want to make sure you have synergy with
It's not necessary, but it represents a huge boon if there's synergy
Their assists cover different things
Let me walk it back a little
They're both good meter-dump anchors
But how they play and their niches are significantly different
gaunt cloud
Why do you want to replace SSJ Vegeta? Or rather, what were you using him for?
I was using him as an anchor
mellow palm
Can someone explain to me why MK11 is seen as a bad game? I remember enjoying it a fair amount (admittedly not as much as MKX)
sage cedar
most likely it's because of upgrades that you can give characters
mind you that's my assumption as some one who over all doesn't like MK so I might be wrong
upper ledge
https://youtu.be/eCOWceM2nZo
aw, ws2 does regular launch now
I can't do the funny b21 ender lmao
also why does he have a guard break
I thought we were past that with fahkumram
cosmic forge
Man
I feel bad for Ludosity sometimes
Nickelodeon: “Hey, remember that platform fighter you made based on your indie games? We want you to do that, but for our roster of internationally famous cartoon stars.”
Ludosity: “Wow, really? That’s great! Of course we’ll accept! Uh, what’s our budget?”
Nickelodeon: “Fifty-three cents.”
upper ledge
the fact that the game has no voice acting is a crime
gaunt cloud
It does have voice acting
It just didn't have it launch
And only got it after the game's momentum was already dead
sage cedar
3rd Strike is best SF game ever but it took some time for people to get that
wicked quarry
shrewd furnace
Oh hey they actually made “Bed” a character
cosmic forge
Bed
sage cedar
Man
small furnace
?
wicked quarry
Thats ... expected I suppose
gaunt cloud
Neat
wicked quarry
Seems to have none of the previous gimmicsk tho
shrewd furnace
Yeah, we speculated even from the wall break reveal that rewind probably wouldn’t work
But maybe some form of it would come back
Zero’s install super in guilty gear
sage cedar
still no Jam 
shrewd furnace
Still no Dizzy 
gaunt cloud
Still no Jhonny 
crude imp
Was not expecting Bedman to return
wicked quarry
Tbh I think it was obvious after Delilah appeared in the story?
Though I admit I thought Delilah would be our fighter
shrewd furnace
Yeah we all thought Delilah would get in the bed
Glad to see this follows the ggrev2 Bed mod
paper notch
shrewd furnace
Bed
paper notch
upper ledge
wicked quarry
@austere garnet
austere garnet
True!
pearl burrow
late frost
LET'S GOOOOOOO
gaunt cloud
I can't do it often, but i can do it
Opponent always techs out before i do the j.L
late frost
for what its worth, rejumps aren't necessary
but they are very funto do
gaunt cloud
I like being optimal tho
cosmic forge
I like being *optimal* tho
But have you considered
Being optimal is not the goal
The goal is style
upper ledge
gaunt cloud
Question
What do i do at roundstart?
I keep backdashing away and eating a random 5L
late frost
Depends a bit on your assists and unique options
Been a long time since I've though about round start theory
The basic ones off the top of my head are
- super jump backwards (super pussy, cedes ground, but super safe)
- IAD backwards (less pussy, still mostly safe, can more easily transition into offense, can combine with assist calls)
- dash forward and block while calling assist (omega not-pussy, risky, depends on your assists)
- mash/unique round start options (some characters have fast, long range options like Bardock Lariat to immediately take initiative, can combine with assist calls)
paper notch
hollow swift
Is bedman a pupper character?
faint ice
pretty sure while delilah is there, you're just fighting with bedman & delilah just has animations
faint ice
yeah, do you know celica in blazblue? probably similar to her
faint ice
wicked quarry
Is bedman a pupper character?
We don't know the details yet but probably not
prime forum
man akuma is really bs to fight in tekken
pearl burrow
dreamy mason
wicked quarry
Oh my god I didnt know Zangief had a dropkick that sick
faint ice
I definitely saw concern on whether he'd get a normal drive rush / drive impact
His lvl 3 is so cool
pearl burrow
is his level 3 a grab?!
faint ice
his sfv ca is a grab too
late frost
His supers have historically been command grabs
teal pebble
most grapplers have command grab supers
cosmic forge
Guys
I don’t wanna alarm you but
This is a meterless SPD
Do you see how much fucking damage that is
shrewd furnace
Seems normal
At least compared to some of the other things we’ve seen you can do in the game
balmy parrot
should I grind Strive and get good at Bridget or should I wait until Tekken 8 and Street Fighter 6 hit
mellow palm
I wanna get back into strive
Probably gonna grind Chipp or Baiken
Is goldlewis still ridiculous?
balmy parrot
Is goldlewis still ridiculous?
this is what mister kizzie of kay thinks about the current state of the game
probably gonna play only bridget
balmy parrot
if we get enough people we can do strive lobbies sometime
mellow palm
I would but I’m on PS4
gaunt cloud
Trying to decide between potemkin and faust ngl
balmy parrot
I would but I’m on PS4
crossplay baby
balmy parrot
Trying to decide between potemkin and faust ngl
potemkin by virtue of being a grappler has insane comeback potential and you can clutch games by hitting 4 buttons sometimes
gaunt cloud
Yea, hitting hpb feels like a drug
balmy parrot
faust is wacky but potemkin is definitely better choice
balmy parrot
alright I need to remap my buttons for Bridget
the Kick is way too far away from the Dust
faint ice
Is that tier list above like the day of the patch
balmy parrot
think so?
faint ice
I think if he did it again today he'd rearrange a bit
hollow swift
Bedman? Is cool
gaunt cloud
Do y'all think capcon will repeat the fight money system for sf6?
faint ice
I think they'll potentially improve on it
There's a lot of single player outlets being previewed as well as the "world tour"
whether it can unlock characters? maybe, but it'll definitely get stuff for the hub shop to buy fighter & avatar skins etc
late frost
We saw an in-game currency during the betas to buy cosmetics
upper ledge
frosty halo
austere garnet
Oh hey, it he
wicked quarry
I wasnt sure if this guy or Armour King was the only Tekken character you cared for
Definitely going all in on the wrestling
austere garnet
I prefer AK personally but King is cool
I will say like
Holy shit he has impact
wicked quarry
But hes not a Genshin character
austere garnet
Like if they’re keeping this level of hitstop on him he will feel fucking powerful
@south lantern too
iirc he likes King
He looks good defo
His rage art(?) going Bionic Arm into a fucking wild ass spinning backbreaker thing is really neat to see
austere garnet
I wasnt sure if this guy or Armour King was the only Tekken character you cared ...
AK was the only one in T7 and even then I didn’t like his movement due to his weird semi-Mishima movement
But I like King/Armor King/Paul & Jack
I want to like Tekken lmao
They just keep having things that drive me away from them
late frost
Holy shit he has ***impact***
but he doesn't have tits and ass
wicked quarry
AK was the only one in T7 and even then I didn’t like his movement due to his we...
If I wasnt lazy I'd make a meme of putting Heihachis hair on a truck
austere garnet
Lmao
I could see myself liking Eddie as well but they literally killed his arc so he could be a simp and that just rubbed me all sorts of the wrong way
austere garnet
Damn
sage cedar
I could see myself liking Eddie as well but they literally killed his arc so he ...
his arc didn't matter anyway
late frost
I could see myself liking Eddie as well but they literally killed his arc so he ...
tangentially
I jumped from "Eddie Kingston" to "Eddie Guerrero" before I realized you were talking about Eddie Gordo
sage cedar
none of arcs outside Mishimas matter
austere garnet
Then I have no reason to care about characters outside of as a basic gameplay concept, in which case I can play a game where I would.
late frost
none of arcs outside Mishimas matter
This is not usually a good thing
austere garnet
Stuff like that does matter.
wicked quarry
Seriously though Yukikaze is such a fucked super
austere garnet
It made me not like Eddie Gordo when previously I did.
Them making the environmentalist into an awful influencer/streamer joke made me despise the character.
sage cedar
This is not usually a good thing
oh it's not good thing but focus is so heavily on Mishimas that everyone else are lost in shuffle
wicked quarry
Hey if you want funky characters, play Guilty Gear
We have "African former drug addict turned weeaboo ninja", "the guilty gear", "literally just a bed" and Brisket
wicked quarry
No wait, Chipp was american
wicked quarry
I’d either play the titty witch or basket lmao
... I-No I assume?
And yeah Bed is funny
Though they took away his gimmick (and physical form)
Cant have shit in Guilty Gear
Also man I just ... hate what they did with Baiken
We went from this
To this
And like, the first is way cooler
wicked quarry
She went from hobo Ronin who looked cool as hell to low effort waifubait 
austere garnet
Admittedly her tits factually getting bigger every game is like
Really funny to me
It’s such a weirdly consistent thing
wicked quarry
At some point she literally becomes a walking pair of tists
small furnace
faint ice
kofxv for 15 p good
upper ledge
swift fulcrum
paper notch
pearl burrow
What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair!
prime forum
gb is a fun game
pearl burrow
shrewd furnace
B e d?
upper ledge
Man perhaps?
paper notch
late frost
sage cedar
oh sweet, Lars got trailer
late frost
She's a famous fight announcer in Japan
upper ledge
The pride announcer
dreamy mason
gaunt cloud
So today i decided to turn on my fps counter for dbfz and found out i was playing at 45 fps the whole time
I lowered the graphics so now it (mostly) runs at 60
But all my timings that i practiced up until this point were off 
faint ice
surely labbing at 45 fps then running 60 now is like taking training weights off
sage cedar
or like you were training in 100G
late frost
tbh it's probably more like training in water
You will have developed some skills
Bur you've also probably neglected others and/or even deteriorated in others
sharp imp
or like you were training in 100G
Vegeta training his body in 3 fps:
chilly plank
pretty sure that would mess with your feeling for input timings
tho most stuff in dbfz is probably not precise enough for it to matter
pearl burrow
Rejumps
late frost
wicked quarry
British groupies be like
austere garnet
He has keyframes again
His pants look good
All is right with the world
god his old outfit looks so much better lmao
upper ledge
gaunt cloud
Question
Is baseku still worth using if only 1 character of the team can set up spirit bomb?
upper ledge
Yes, but i recommend keeping the sygnergistic character mid. That way you dont lose out on that character too soon and always have the option to go into spirit bomb.
Ex: keep tohan mid with baseku and have someone else as point
late frost
Baseku's other strengths still make him worthwhile
You should also know all his optimal Level 1 routes, for every power level
He'll sometimes be point because of DHCs or cycling your team to recover blue health
upper ledge
One big weakness i find with his kaioken super is that it does nothing if ur opponent is in spark. However the move does take some time so it helps burn sparking time better
gaunt cloud
At what situation should i tag mid combo?
late frost
Those should be lines you are already comfortable with. It's rare you'll need to hotshot a tag midcombo.
The most common application of tagging mid-combo is when a character doesn't have a good way to get SKD, but does have a long-duration special. An example (I think) is Vegito. You'll see people do Vegito legs, tag right as the special starts, and then immediately DR with the character coming in to get an SKD.
Another time would be when you want to switch, and want to do so within the safety of mid-combo, such as to recover blue life.
late frost
sage cedar
Jun is only one who is left when it comes to having trailer
prime forum
man looking at all the patches of dbfz the transition from gt goku to ui goku is ridiculous
gt goku had oppressive buttons like l mash, dragon flash fist, spirit bomb
but ui goku was just so broken
pearl burrow
And then you look at SSJ4 Gogeta, who not only has two airdashes but an instakill meter and dragon ball-gathering move
And then after that is Lab Coat 21, who literally debuffed your attack and defense by 21%
gaunt cloud
And then you look at SSJ4 Gogeta, who not only has two airdashes but an instakil...
Don't forget
The ball move is not only a frame 1 invincible reversal that hits on both sides
That also grabs a ball regardless if it hits or not
upper ledge
Its hilarious that at one point, bardocks auto combo was considered a problem
Even goku black at one point
Times have changed
Where did the times go
paper notch
upper ledge
gaunt cloud
In a casual setting, mashing doesn't work until you start throwing quarter circle motions into the mix, then it's "skillful zoning"
paper notch
gaunt cloud
CHAT
wicked quarry
Are the servers are still fucked?
faint ice
The servers are beyond bricked rn after the gamepass integration and I don't think they'll fix until bedman patch
gaunt cloud
As it turns out
My pc cannot run this game lmao
But i got to HPB my brother who incidentally was on chipp
faint ice
try the potato mod alongside min settings
gaunt cloud
So that's fun
gaunt cloud
try the potato mod alongside min settings
I just installed that but the bgs stayed the same
Idk why
faint ice
thats odd
shrewd furnace
My gf’s brother wants to play Strive with me
Too bad I don’t want to bring my hitbox and I absolutely hate strive for what they did to Faust
so I’ll probably play comboless May
late frost
Chocco when are we playing DBFZ
late frost
also aren't you in Japan
gaunt cloud
Brazil
late frost
Oh
So we should be close in timezone
Still long distance tho
Probably murder connection
gaunt cloud
Ngl
A bit undecisive on which character i should play
Currently between faust, pot, and hc
wicked quarry
Idk my friend has that lineup with GL instead of HC and he didnt gravitate towards one
late frost
sage cedar
yo that's hype
mellow palm
So is Unknown just not canon
dreamy mason
pearl burrow
||LEGS||
Cammy's aggressive play style versus Manon's more measured anti-airs and counter-throws is a fun matchup
There was one move Manon did where she swept her leg up super fast and brought it down on Cammy's head, and that was a normal
prime forum
deejay in sf6 looks so damn GOOD
new hair style, new god damn body, flashy attacks
while showing off his jamacian roots
late frost
sage cedar
yoooo we got Ling trailer so soon
faint ice
Not gonna lie I was convinced T8 was a 2024 thing
but the frequency of these trailers make me think the game is coming this year
small furnace
paper notch
late frost
wait is that real
prime forum
wow okay
ah yes let me cross up my oppoent and hopefully screw there block string with a second air dash and assist
gaunt cloud
Yea
Not like we had a new character with a 4 way mix every single season or something
upper ledge
What powercreep does to a mf
And i thought bardock lvl3 oki was fucking stupid
At least that one didnt need spark
Oh also sparking tohan
That one was fun while it lasted
prime forum
GT goku 4 way mix on release
just fucing mash L
and land the command grab
then if u have meter spirit bomb to get the easiest oki of ur life
late frost
gaunt cloud
Got the potato mod to work
gaunt cloud
late frost
in summary
Simultaneous Opposite Cardinal Directions (SOCD) is a real challenge for fighting games, as it can potentially circumvent balance levers
historically, left + right = neutral
and up + down = up
now, Capcom has mandated that the firmware for all controllers capable of SOCD must interpret up + down = neutral
dreamy mason
my stickless has the neutral socd built in 
just waiting for brook to release the zero pi firmware update for my other one
gaunt cloud
Btw
I was playing around with some of strive's roster
How many characters have a random charge move slapped on their kit?
faint ice
Only Axl Leo May & Pot have charge moves
You could argue axl & pot aren't primarily "charge characters"
gaunt cloud
Chat
I went into dbfz online for the first time today
There is now a pink square next to my name
teal pebble
🎺
pearl burrow
Skullgirls?
pearl burrow
Oh RIP
teal pebble
he who controls the trumpet controls the neutral
gaunt cloud
Btw
I tried showing the game to my younger cousins
Who only had dbfz as past fighting game experience
They immediately saw the lenght of the command list and went "nope"
pearl burrow
Lol yep
teal pebble
weak smh
pearl burrow
Ngl it's been surprisingly tough to stick with a single game ever since DBFZ started to decline
Melty Blood, GBVS, P4AU all just sort of settled into a weak simmer instead of keeping the initial momentum
wicked quarry
Which is weird because Strives move lists arent even that long
Im pretty sure DBFZs season 3 characters had longer lists usually
wicked quarry
Melty Blood, GBVS, P4AU all just sort of settled into a weak simmer instead of k...
Try BlazBlue
gaunt cloud
Yea it isn't tekken/xrd length, but it still is pretty big by comparison, the lack of autocombos also make the learning gap be bigger than it actually is
Also dbfz is less of an actual decline and more so that everyone is just waiting for rollback
pearl burrow
Try BlazBlue <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
I did, and I liked playing Izayoi, but...
...maybe I'll give it a shot again, idk
Was surprisingly fun to mess around with her multiple modes
wicked quarry
Tbh its only half-serious of a suggestion
DBFZ still has more players
Like way more
pearl burrow
I figured lol, was the same vibes as "play Persona 5"
And yeah, I'm not surprised that DBFZ has more players
It really managed to hit the casual gamer market
teal pebble
Name is just that big
paper notch
prime forum
u know what my favorite move from a fighting game
yang palm in sf4AE
god damn hitbox is dummy thicc and long duration
austere garnet
My favorite note is that Yang was, in AE, functionally worse Yun
And he was still top 3-top 4
wicked quarry
Man I was really rooting for ||Lox|| to win Evo Japan for Strive
But holy shit, what a run from ||Gobou||
prime forum
u know what move was broken looking back it
MK10 or MK11 sheeva stomp
like a player was banner all because he used sheeva
gaunt cloud
Wait evo was today?
prime forum
ayo ageojoe?
late frost
sage cedar
some didn't expect Asuka to be in T8 because Jun is back but turns out that isn't case
late frost
south lantern
They really want to include Leroy in main roster despite his little to no relation with any returning casts huh
They even include him to that Tekken 3 anime adaptation... long before he debut 
sage cedar
some one at Bandai Namco really likes him huh
faint ice
I was honestly expecting Leroy return for 8
paper notch
wicked quarry
Also Im pretty sure that team is alright, Yosuke kinda fell off but Ruby is still pretty nuts
prime forum
youske kinda wack
pearl burrow
wait, I thought it was Ruby and Weiss who were confirmed canon in the latest RWBY
I don't follow it that closely, in my defense
steel gale
wait, I thought it was Ruby and Weiss who were confirmed canon in the latest RWB...
||it was blake and yang, not ruby and weiss||
||also ruby's going through way too much of her own shit for that to even be a consideration right now||
pearl burrow
||...so does that mean Ruby is the Jinx to Yang's Vi?||
steel gale
||i don't get that analogy, so idk, but in that scene, ruby's simply lashing out as a result of all the accumulated stress she's been through over the series||
||there's more to it, but i'm not gonna go too in depth in this channel since it's off topic||
pearl burrow
gotcha, thanks for explaining lol
...I have looked on twitter and found at least 5 different pieces of fanart correlating them, glad I'm not alone
paper notch
Twitter
paper notch
wicked quarry
Oh its a Z input
pearl burrow
https://twitter.com/GaoRush/status/1642661824012206081?s=20
I got mixed in the first and the second half of that sentence
wicked quarry
Already saw it and shared it with a friend
teal pebble
wicked quarry
The last one could've also said:
Danger!
Your opponent is lifejam
austere garnet
Whack ass mixup detected is 10/10
prime forum
pls don't remind me of HOW LOUD accent core sol is
first time playing accent core i had my volume on 30 with headphones and man it hurts
austere garnet
YES
south lantern
Owo human pasta machine
paper notch
wicked quarry
@austere garnet
wicked quarry
Update: This happened to my friend I just played against
He expected the frc grab mix
He did not expect the slow rc grab mix
late frost
https://vxtwitter.com/notasquiaremaro/status/1643092757672607744?s=20
That's a classic clip
wicked quarry
gaunt cloud
True!
Altho, i wonder how it will interact with bedman, does the bed get hit and contorts itself in pain? Does delilah get hit? Both?
Then again, eddie does react when it's just zato getting hit
prime forum
man dbfz freiza is a disappointment
like ur only good thing u have is golden freiza and there ton of good things about golden freiza but u can't 4 way mix up enemies block
pearl burrow
It's very sad
The best grappler in the game is also a better zoner than the dedicated zoning character
So they tried to make Frieza a level up character like A.Gohan, by buffing his golden form
...or I guess install is a better term
But the golden form is still just not worth it, because the core character is so messy
austere garnet
@wicked quarry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjC5Fudvlw8
Yo this SLAPS THO
Like
This is very close to the arranged version from Fatal Fury Special in terms of quality
prime forum
But the golden form is still just not worth it, because the core character is so...
yeah that the problem with characters with installs
if the base character sucks then that means the installs also gonna suck even though it powers up the character
A.gohan is an okay character cause he actually good
north latch
Man the new Tekken looks so sick
can't wait for the hypest of the fg's to take center stage at evo again
wicked quarry
Same, but somehow I dont expect them to feature BB like that
north latch
faint ice
Come back next year mishimalover27
south lantern
Majin on his way to grapple lock you into oblivion
north latch
Majin made everybody want to play King due to that run
Then we all realized King is better left in the hands of the faithful
late frost
pearl burrow
It sounds SO GOOD
cosmic forge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6caXwwXbjk
why tf capcom making better hip hop beats than 90% of the top 100
cosmic forge
I forgot how fucking hard all of the Castlevania remixes in SSBU go
austere garnet
Thinkin' about Goodbye Esaka again 
cosmic forge
Thinkin' about Goodbye Esaka again <:UmaruCry:594791362461696020>
Original Goodbye Esaka is so fucking amazing
austere garnet
It is
Arranged and non-arranged it's great either way
The KoF XV version is... fine
It's a bit less somber, which kills the mood somewhat
But I do love the crunchy guitars in that version
upper ledge
Zamn
teal pebble
if mcvi got a special edition he would have been in ther
sage cedar
in all honesty MvCI doesn't have that good roster
it's one reason among many why it failed
late frost
Very MCU heavy
Tbh if they had stuck the landing better it could have worked
The brand synergy
gaunt cloud
Man
Thanos felt so boring to play with
I know he's based on the comics but even then, he had more than just generic yellow energy
mellow palm
Thanos had incarnations in previous games
He was way cooler in those games tho
But everyone in MvCi was underwhelming
Sigma and ultron especially for being the big bads
I do remember liking Monster Hunter a lot tho, she was the one character that was very fun to play
And venom too ig
late frost
gaunt cloud
Man
Kinda want to pick up zato
But i know extremely well i would not know how to play him
teal pebble
gaunt cloud
So for a joke i started playing among us arena with my friends
The worst part is that it's actually good
shrewd furnace
Amogus arena is unironically very good
pearl burrow
austere garnet
@wicked quarry So I just got to look at it
But Kim still has one of my favorite enders in the entire series
wicked quarry
Oh?
austere garnet
He has the grounding axe kick
It's
This is really hard to find footage of but TLDR as a low resource combo ender he has an axe kick that instantly ENDS juggle state
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTDJEyFZU6Q it's the ender for the first one here
It's not super fancy but I like that he still has an immediate ender
austere garnet
I just like the weight of it I dunno
lunar depot
I played Super Street Fighter: The New Challengers.
lunar depot
I played Super Street Fighter: The New Challengers.
I play it on the Super Famicom Mini though, so it’s in Japanese.
south lantern
The door: that one from Raccoon Police Department that was accessible in RE2 but not in RE3
lunar depot
Hello.
prime forum
man i love janky hitboxes