#Gacha Chat

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versed pawn
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If chen could read she would be really be really upset about this

timber sigil
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finally going through Lainie's story

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feels so weird seeing Leva in her GFL1 outfit again ngl

versed pawn
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Threw my remaining 80 pulls into nangong banner and got 2 more

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Have M4 now tho got greedy when that happened threw anither 100 and got Rina

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M6 on Rerun angle I guess

summer hornet
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LETS

FUCKING

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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THIS IS WHY IM STILL HERE

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MY TICKETS AND GEMS ARE READY AND WAITING

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I HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH IN STOCK

old galleon
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got a horny bunny agent maid in ordinary recruitment

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and while she's good, unfortunately she's not the horny bunny agent maid i would have liked to see first : ^)

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(got velvet, would have loved to see ade)

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will still absolutely take her, though

old galleon
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this ended up being easier than i expected

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using flamme dps

slow raft
rapid bough
wispy goblet
slow raft
silver osprey
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And in the center lies the virtue

pastel bear
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I just want silverash and/or lappland

rapid bough
runic ether
maiden veldt
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and done.

runic ether
pastel bear
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who is this cutie

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IS THIS A GENSHIN CHARACTER

slow raft
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yea

runic ether
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lohen yeah

slow raft
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its ok, it happens to the best of us

runic ether
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thinking of redownloading on anniv just to get him cus hes gonna be standard and free then

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his burst goes so hard for no reason

pastel bear
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instead of that weapon he should kiss me

runic ether
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genshin gives a standard free a year

pastel bear
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I'll log back in to the account I made for my free diluc

runic ether
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yeah lol

slow raft
glossy latch
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Unfortunately sometimes Genshin designs cook

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I'm still mad that the geo 4* is a Genshin design, he's cute

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(I forgot his name)

runic ether
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illuga

runic ether
glossy latch
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He's cute

runic ether
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nod krai as a whole had p solid designs

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unfort, most of the story was pure unfettered ass

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genshin story would vastly improve if they dropped the pretense of a deep and extended plot and focused on the characters individually. even that may be jarring

late canopy
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Deeply personal stories will always win over large ones for the sake of being large

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Large stories can also of course magnify the strengths of a personal story but that hinges on the personal touch still being there and being quality

glossy latch
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WuWa has been good at that lately tbh

rapid bough
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not to beat a dead horse that's been beaten well beyond death already in this chat but also the gacha format is just way better for character focus than overarching plot

late canopy
glossy latch
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Also cleared WhiWa real quick, god Sigrika clears so fast

late canopy
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Uma is a god at this

rapid bough
# glossy latch WuWa has been good at that lately tbh

wuwa has been overall good at finding a balance between character and overarching plot, especially recently with where they're going with rover

that said, everything involving the fractsidus makes me want to strangle the life out of the writers

late canopy
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One of the main reasons I think its stories are so good and enduring

glossy latch
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Smh kreek hears the word "horse" and is activated like a sleeper agent

late canopy
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That wasn't even the sleeper word this time

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It was "characters individual stories"

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I saw that and neuron owo

glossy latch
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Nyaruhodo

glossy latch
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Fwiw I dont think Gachas are necessarily bad as a medium for overarching plots by virtue of their release schedule as much as they are by virtue of how they want to push new characters

rapid bough
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i mean i've been vocal about being fed up with them basically since starting the game

rapid bough
glossy latch
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Im aware yeah

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Even if I dont fully agree on everything re Fractsidus

rapid bough
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3.2 isn't bad mind you, just kinda there so far

glossy latch
rapid bough
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hard to follow up aemeath tho

glossy latch
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But yeah

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... actually thinking about it

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There is one way you could make it work and Im a little surprised its not done, though I also kinda get why

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Which would be to have each X.Y patch cycle focus on a party that is built up across that cycle, with each new character joining, and once that story is finished, you move on to a new party being gradually built up, with old characters occasionally showing up

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I.e. you do it like Trails does with its games nyaruhodo

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I guess the issue is that the protagonist would be a rotating role, rather than being the same throughout

rapid bough
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take a shot everybody, ovven brought up trails unprompted

late canopy
glossy latch
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Its relevant to the point!!!!

glossy latch
rapid bough
late canopy
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I think Genshin has the right idea, at its core at least

glossy latch
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No no, the key part is that the main protagonist, i.e. rover, traveler, etc, also change

late canopy
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Tell whatever main story you want

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With interesting new characters included

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And then spotlight those characters throughout the rest of the region

rapid bough
glossy latch
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Let me rephrase then

rapid bough
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what you said is what every game with world regions does

glossy latch
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The idea is that each individual storyline starts with your protagonist, a new free unit for typical gacha plot sakes, and then the plot becomes them gathering up their own party, having the party dynamic be the key thing (i.e. all the characters actually interact with each other), and once the cycle finishes, you go for a new protagonist alltogether

late canopy
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Yugioh generations style

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Although

glossy latch
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That way you have a driving character in each region without suffering from the "why didnt XYZ show up?" effect

late canopy
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That no longer becomes an overarching story

glossy latch
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It can be

late canopy
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Which probably opens up another can of worms for the games as a service forever ever model

glossy latch
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Each individual plot can be part of a grander plot

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... again I point at Trails

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The Crossbell duology and the Sky trilogy don't really intersect, but they are part of an overarching plot

rapid bough
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i've said this before but trails has the advantage of being literal separate games

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unless you want genshin 2: the quest for more money, idt this would really work for gacha

glossy latch
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That is the risk yeah

late canopy
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Parties and stories can move on to the next chapter

glossy latch
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Hi3 sorta did it with their part 2

late canopy
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And suspension of disbelief means ones left in the past are not needed any more

glossy latch
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And from what I understand that choice was ... controversial

late canopy
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Even if they would be helpful

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I actually have no qualms with how Genshin tells its stories at all

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Last I checked anyways

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The stories being told being good stories is the deciding factor

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Which is a good sign to me

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Meaning their way of doing things isn't fundementally broken

runic ether
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genshin has a big case of nounitis

late canopy
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Yes

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This goes into

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The stories being good thing

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I agree

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Genshin can be really far up its ass a lot of the times

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Especially for world quests

runic ether
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main quests too

late canopy
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Main archon quests I think is far less severe

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It is much more straightforward with less lore bloat

glossy latch
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With Genshin my impression is that they upped the scale way too much way too quickly

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Plus the shift in writing team

runic ether
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its also super unfocused

late canopy
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My main issue with genshin stories usually tracks back to whenever it makes me feel a certain way which can be for a variety of reasons:

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Whenever it tries shoving a ton of stuff at me that it has not successfully made me care about

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Whenever it doesn't do that everything is fine

runic ether
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nod krai wanted to have both a more small scale focus on the fight with rerir the wild hunt and the people of nod krai
to then suddenly we are dropping the moon on dottore while columbina rewrites reality

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there was no need for all that

glossy latch
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I feel like the sinners being fleshed out ironically has made Genshins story worse

slow raft
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I thought you didnt play limbus

runic ether
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no yeah cus then the sinners being fleshed out would be peak

glossy latch
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I briefly considered adding "Khaen'rhian" before it

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But I figured "Nah, Guy wouldnt make a joke even I wouldnt make"

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Clearly I was wrong

maiden veldt
slow raft
glossy latch
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:[

slow raft
rapid bough
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i'd also like to say that nikke does overarching plot very well... for a gacha. it mostly manages to avoid the major pitfalls of the gacha formula as they affect building a world and coherent plot with a throughline across character releases and story arcs

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far from perfect ofc, and characters are still left by the wayside from time to time... though nikke also has a cast several times larger than most other gacha atp lol

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it even goes to the opposite extreme where they keep characters around too long... it's a meme in the nikke community that no character seems to ever actually die despite many on-screen (temporary) deaths

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girls frontline also has an insanely in-depth world and characters and crazy good peak storytelling, but it gets a bit high on its own supply from time to time and definitely got lost in the sauce and fell prey to a bunch of side events to promote characters while keeping the main plot in stasis for the better part of a year

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we'll never truly know the damage that early gfl2 story rewrites did to its pacing and content schedule but it was no doubt quite significant

timber sigil
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Which is also free to play on steam and the gacha system doesn't even take any paid currency to roll for units just ingame resources

rapid bough
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nudge nudge wink wink huh

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i'm once again on the fence between dropping and continuing gfl2 tbh

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the story and characters are great and what keep me playing, corposant was peak and i know we're getting more peak soon as we accelerate to catch up to CN

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but it's easily got the worst daily cycle + gameplay combination of the games i play and logging in feels more like a chore

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i gotta snag helen when she releases but i might call it there

timber sigil
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Understandable though

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I'm personally just waiting to see what the new gunsmoke mode is like tbh

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If it's good enough gameplay then I'll keep going

rapid bough
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i'm still undecided fwiw, i go back and forth on this all the time

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i was on the fence before corposant and then it was fire and i once again went back to being sure i'd stick with it lol

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it hooks me when it's doing story and loses me when that's done for now and i'm just on the daily grind

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i realized i was steadily growing more cooked when i went out of my way to get klukai v6 and voymastina v3

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not because i super like the characters or anything

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but because their AoE got so ridiculous it instaclears stages

i basically invested in them so i could play the game less lmao

old galleon
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after about a million years they finally returned chichiri's mat to the shenxian drop tables for this iteration of rise of the beasts

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so i finally got zhuque to 5* uncap

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took way, way longer than it needed to

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all of the rotb characters are done for the foreseeable future, their yupei and longxin are done, and their summons are done

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oh also next gw is fire favored

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so i guess that implies a run of exo ifrit before then

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i'll have to pick up the bow and do the usual process

old galleon
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what not having modern earth characters does to a mf

runic ether
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with daze coming to timeless on arena, hows this deck

silver osprey
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Why's Sirius here 334

old galleon
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got a nayuta dupe out of ordinary pulls so she's one off of mlb now

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also did that earlier

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i feel like i butchered the execution, but i still destroyed the point threshold, so i'll tkae it

summer hornet
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Quency dupe PogYu

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And Signal

old galleon
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unfortunately, unless you're lacking options, signal is pretty unplayable in the current state of the game

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qeq is solid tho

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at least signal gets you more gems

wispy goblet
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60 pulls into Cissia banner
nothing yet
gonna be farming through the rest of the patch

idle grove
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LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

pastel bear
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slow raft
pastel bear
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slow raft
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i should probably do a few 10ers in the banner aswell

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i think ill wait for the free pulls tho

summer hornet
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Did 12 rolls yesterday, nothing notable

slow raft
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Knowing my luck, ill have to go to pity atleast thrice so im mentally preparing for that

rapid bough
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nikke good world hard mode spoilers ||so turns out the supreme commander is dead/dying and just a husk in a coffin? safe to say he is being harvested or used for something, though it doesn't seem to be against his will, as snow crane seems to understand and accept this state of affairs||

wispy goblet
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Nikke Good World Hard Mode
||Since VTC were the ones to breach the contract and got "reprimanded," it makes me wonder more if the CG sent Andersen to do the dirty work. Maybe they even woke him up.||

rapid bough
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@timber sigil @idle grove expected but next gfl2 event is antiparallel (helen + phaetusa)

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finally helen will come home

wispy goblet
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looks like the ZZZ event that started today has some story in it

old galleon
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new gfl2 codes for teh people who are still playing that

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(i'm still in the gfl2 server so i get those notifications)

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LT2TW2MZK5

SBRDDYTTKQ

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they pinged for both servers so it shouldn't matter which one you're on

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anyway, i've decided to try out mongil bc it looked kinda cute and potentially interesting

it's more or less a genshin clone but with a focus on monsters

also kinda annoying to play on tablet ngl

i'm having some fun with it for now but i probably won't be sticking with it for too long

runic ether
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limbus up

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fuck

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intervallo spoiler ||they got me tearing up immediately on node 1 what the fuckkk||

runic ether
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holy the fauvists and their ost is so fucking sick???

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rodya....

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lmfao. intervallo spoilers

runic ether
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daaaaaaaaaaaaamn im so glad pjm never misses on character designs im barking
intervallo spoilers for final node

runic ether
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intervallo done

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one word
peak

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||its such a great tie in to canto 9. just picked up right where it left off and kept answering more questions that the main canto may have, not lacked in, rather, didnt waste time on to get to its needed moments.||

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||gave us some good plot hooks and honestly was super endearing seeing kira sticking up and bonding with ryoshu and the sinners.||

silver osprey
silver osprey
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||Weird that she has like, almost no tattoos||

runic ether
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||just keep on reading but yeah oof matthias was really a bum for the middle and it affected her too||

silver osprey
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||Ah, they removed them||

silver osprey
silver osprey
silver osprey
silver osprey
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Aaaand event done

toxic cloud
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@silver osprey im playing the story again. maybe viceroy likes the endmin NukGar

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Then again, everyone likes the endmin

silver osprey
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Just a little

long tree
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Endmin has that gender fluid rizz

silver osprey
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Endmin has too much glazing everywhere

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I miss W

runic ether
wispy goblet
rapid bough
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is that... neko idol rapi? i'm on my knees

summer hornet
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I am going to limit break Anis or brick my account trying

slow raft
silver osprey
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Because "Alan" is the localized name of both Wayware teamleader and Allen, The Night Awls capitano
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︀︀The sprite of Allen was swapped with Alen in Canto 8 due to files in the code being messed up as they both have "Alan" in their sprite files

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😭

old galleon
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cute idol neon

wispy goblet
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It's too far away

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I need it now

rapid bough
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true!

wispy goblet
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local man resists urge to spend money now when he still have time to farm free pulls

rapid bough
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be strong comrade

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cissia will come home

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leave some snacks out

summer hornet
long tree
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Soon, soon I can stop being an annoying chud about fangyis banner

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7 hours

pastel bear
lusty egret
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YAY GOT EVERYTHING ON 10TH ROLL

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And more

summer hornet
glossy latch
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Kinda crazy Nekomata doesn't have a potential yet

maiden veldt
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rina and koleda neither...
Not to mention all the bloody A rank 1.0 agents...

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like this is just sad...

rapid bough
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their choices for potentials seem very much like they're throwing darts at a board

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i doubt any A ranks will get potentials (more likely to get S retrains like anby and billy), but rina/koleda/neko have definitely been left in the dust

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can't wait for when my m5p6 neko outdamages my YSG copium

maiden veldt
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i would definitely have a lot more respect for the zzz devs if they did work on A rank agents but who knows...

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it did seem like they were testing things at one time with billy and corin getting stuff in hollow zero.

rapid bough
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i mean half of the A rank agent cast is still quite good: nicole is evergreen; komano and piper are competent DPSes; pan, lucy, and soukaku are all very viable f2p supports in their particular niches

maiden veldt
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a lot of things definitely felt half finished for a while now.

rapid bough
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but ultimately i think expecting any gacha game to focus any significant amount of attention on their welfare/filler units is fighting a losing battle

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that's why they're more likely to get S rank retrains than buffs for their A rank variants

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gravy train has to keep moving

maiden veldt
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the main issue is a new player experience is gonna fell horrible if all their agents do jack shit, so i'm not sure what they are thinking there.

rapid bough
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like i said though, at least half of them are quite good and definitely viable for f2p or to fill out new rosters that don't have a huge variety of options

digital marlin
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^

runic ether
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i think it can only be a problem if ur trying to clear da and shiyu 5 at full rewards

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if you just aim for the chromes... probs fine

rapid bough
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which tbh i'd be surprised if any new player can do in a hurry anyway lol

digital marlin
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^

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i feel like by time your suited to do full endgame modes you would have a few months into the game and have some more preminum teams or at least decent close to one

rapid bough
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it took me like 2.5 months in wuwa to be able to clear whimpering wastes, and that was with a fair bit of luck on character pulls. and i still can't full clear their shiyu equivalent

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and wuwa A ranks are significantly worse on average than ZZZ's

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so i actually needed full 5 star teams to do that

digital marlin
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yeah WuWa 4*FeelsBadMan

rapid bough
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ZZZ's barrier is probably lower, or at least it was before they made shiyu harder

rapid bough
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tbf though it's nice that rover is a competent free 5* everyone gets

digital marlin
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i feel like your forgetting someone

rapid bough
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am i

runic ether
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better than limbus where they outright said 00 ids (4 star equivalent) are just not being made anymore last year lol
fwiw at least some are okay/good but this is just the nature of gacha even among what can be seen as a generous one

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zzz and genshin still with enough regularity relesse 4 stars/a ranks and they are far from bad

digital marlin
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Ah Danjini i suppose

runic ether
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usually

rapid bough
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komano, pan, pulchra

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pulchra is annoying though since she really needs m6 to be splashable

digital marlin
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as someone who plays both ZZZ and HSR i have to say the difference on how much gets releeased is so jarring

sharp swan
runic ether
slow raft
runic ether
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true

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tho 000 ids still cost more as a whole all over

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which is okay...? but it does come up

slow raft
slow raft
toxic cloud
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I'm not ready

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yolo @mental acorn @silver osprey

mental acorn
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gl kiddo

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her banner lasts 3 weeks or smth right

toxic cloud
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Oh thats a good amount of time

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rossi was only 2 right

mental acorn
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last patch it was 2 2 yeah

toxic cloud
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Maybe this will be the banner that gives me gilberta

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if its a 4th yvonne im strangling the endmin

wispy goblet
runic ether
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well... in my fangyi pulls... i got rossi

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honestly may just call it here lol idk if i like her gameplay enough to want to guarantee her

rapid bough
toxic cloud
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Got a second lifeng and fangyi but it was pretty rough

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weapon is rly taking me all the way to pity holy

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@mental acorn I guess this went better than the rossincident

mental acorn
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gg

toxic cloud
summer hornet
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Up to stage 10 of the Arknights event, gonna give that another try in the morning

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I will be dropping relevant images with spoiler tags, but this event has been GOING places

glossy latch
summer hornet
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I honestly thought it was gonna stop at stage 8; there's been enough twists and turns to have justified it (||though if it had I'd have been VEXED, because waiting another year for a cliffhanger like that would make anyone livid. Enya quite literally got moved out of the temple so that all the priests could start being shady and corrupt without tainting her image... And if the event had ended at stage 8, she wouldn't have gotten to actually show off at all. It worked out for Maria Nearl, but I'm glad they didn't do it here||)

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Like, all of these EXTREMELY SPOILERY images were just from stage 8 onwards

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||the whole angle of religion and the definition of faith for a nation is something I'm too tired to talk about in depth but it's not the first time Arknights has gone there. Some similarities with the Exusiai New Covenant event, honestly- in more ways than one. Returning fan faves, discovering the true history of a nation, religion impeding the search for the truth, extraterrestrial miracles||

old galleon
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||did they ever give kjera an alt||

summer hornet
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||not this time, afaik, but I think she and Gnosis are surefire candidates if/when there's another Kjerag event. The whole driving plot of this event (not quite, but in a way it all boils down to it) is that Kjarr is missing lol||

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||so it'd have been a little awkward to undercut that tension with an alt||

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I'm stuck on the boss stage so I haven't read the conclusion yet

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But honestly it'd take an insane left turn to keep me from calling this a premium banger of an event

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Kjerag has always had deceptively good events, when I look back on it

sharp swan
runic ether
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uploaded 22 hours ago
was the update even live 22 hours ago?? 😭
https://youtu.be/brBqW5O913c?si=9TLErJrr5pOAUPtZ

Limbus Company - Intervallo VII-1 PV & Story Theme
Composed by Project & Arranged by Black Cow

Sheet link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mbpnSfN_wPfStltCkAVZlYmbLHSWMHia/view?usp=sharing
(I don't provide MIDI and MuseScore file. You can convert the pdf to MIDI via MuseScore.)

[Arrangement Usage & Credits] 🎹
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long tree
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All the way to hard pity

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Got a soupsoup dupe along the way but man just once id like to win a 50/50

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Also looking at the material requirements for the new gear

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Why does that crafting recipe have 4 branches

silver osprey
toxic cloud
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Shes eepy

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@silver osprey I think I love wuling

silver osprey
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It is very pretty, yeah

long tree
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If they put silver ash in endfield it is genuinely so over for me

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He is one of the very few non twink guys I go feral for

toxic cloud
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But yeah the city is great

silver osprey
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I didn't specify what was pretty

slow raft
slow raft
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alright, time to pull for the wife

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Actual mandate of heaven ig

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This feels wrong, but im not complaining

toxic cloud
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Whoa, good job

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The potential 1 pic is very good

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She's pretty Ahri7

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I'm liking the gameplay so far

slow raft
silver osprey
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Wao

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Good run

slow raft
toxic cloud
sharp swan
slow raft
silver osprey
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I even got closing time off

wispy goblet
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first runthrough
a little rough
will need to do quite a bit of stretching
might run Zhao/Yixuan/Ju Fufu Stage 1
and Astra/Ye Shunguang/Dialyn Stage 2

long tree
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"Surely the new components in endfield aren't as hard as they look to mak-" THEYRE WORSE HOW ARE THEY WORSE, IVE USED ALL OF THE NEW SUB AIC TO MAKE THEM AT LESS THAN 1 A MINUTE

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EVERYTHING BOTTLENECKS

slow raft
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Issue of the skill variety methinks nyaruhodo

rapid bough
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apparently nikke KR leaked/posted the nikke anni patch notes early lol

only read if you don't care to spoil the contents of the stream tomorrow
||new units:

  • tt star anis (RL electric defender)
  • neo-neon (RL electric attacker)
  • avistar (free SSR, MG electric support)
    new skins:
  • liberalio gacha
  • tt star anis gacha x2 (???, MTL says both are from "costume pickup" which i assume is gacha, but only one has a new burst ani so the other must not be gacha? maybe both are part of the same costume and you can switch modes?
  • dorothy pass skin
  • RRH pass skin||
pastel bear
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I've given up on gachas

slow raft
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Thats great, i wish i had that power

pastel bear
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not getting characters has had such a negative impact on my emotional health for years at this point I think I'm just gonna stick to my gundam exvs clone

rapid bough
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wuwa 3.3 + 2nd anni rewards

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i know their anni was considered mid last time and it looks like it's even more mid this time

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but i won't argue with a few dozen free pulls

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lord knows i'll probably need them for hiyuki that patch and lucilla the following one

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basically guaranteed i skip the collab now lol

slow raft
wispy goblet
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crossed the finish line

runic ether
# pastel bear not getting characters has had such a negative impact on my emotional health for...

after enough time with limbus and its systems, it also skewed my perspective on what is acceptable for gachas.
being able to just get an id or ego at will and never needing to go through a relics/artifact/disc grind
story as well... idk if i quit genshin and hsr if i dont get into limbus cus it def made me really hate how their gacha-isms made their game as a whole feel when compared to limbus

wispy goblet
slow raft
rapid bough
mental acorn
slow raft
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All i want is to fight the last knight again, please

long tree
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Which also doesnt include managing the byproducts

slow raft
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You forget that im german, methinks

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This sort of work is engraved into my dna

pastel bear
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do you like sauerkraut

slow raft
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Nah

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I also dont drink beer

pastel bear
#

THEY TOLD ME I WAS CRAZY

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BUT I CAN MAKE NON-WOKE SAUERKRAUT

slow raft
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No such thing as non woke sauerkraut, youll never make it

slow raft
runic ether
#

john kagurabachi

slow raft
rapid bough
# sharp swan

tbh they should do what ZZZ did with a limited choice banner where the first character you pull is guaranteed (so no initial 50/50)

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i wasn't playing wuwa during the first anni so idk why people were mad about a bunch of rerun banners, i guess maybe due to the sheer volume? but like if you don't want em don't pull

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but a choice banner that lets you dodge one 50/50 feels like the best of both worlds, you get reruns that are discounted in some sense and don't clutter the fuck out of the gacha screen

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still, no reruns is probably for the best. i don't know if i'd be able to resist pulling on a changli banner

glossy latch
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People had strangely high expectations tbh

rapid bough
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i figure how high your expectations are kinda depends what game(s) you came from before playing wuwa

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and i imagine a lot of people came from hoyo games which... correct me if i'm wrong, generally had better rewards?

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meanwhile me coming from nikke which has two anni events per year that give 100+ free pulls each + insane new units

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took me a bit to adjust to the fact that most games are not nearly as generous as that for annis lol

glossy latch
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People were expecting a 5* selector at least

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Lack of reruns is slightly annoying though

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Im still looking for Brants weapon 😔

rapid bough
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the existing reruns are already torture for me, qiuyuan bankrupted me and resisting phrolova next patch will be tough

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if they said "here's every 2.x character" i'd be cooked

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i'd especially want to pull for cantarella to pair with phrolova

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as if i have the pulls to do that lmao

glossy latch
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There is always a way~ 💳

maiden veldt
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something feels quite wrong...

rapid bough
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so far i've only ever done it once (bought $10 of ZZZ monos) and in hindsight i don't even understand why i did it

slow raft
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i once bought currency for limbus of all things

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idk why to this day

rapid bough
slow raft
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the kicker is: the id was ass and still is

glossy latch
rapid bough
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she's basically already in a latex suit for the parts that matter lol

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what would kill me is a party dress or something similar

glossy latch
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Yeah thats why you bought pull currency is what I'm saying smh

rapid bough
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it wasn't even for eve, it was for astra

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again, dumb decision since i could've just accumulated the polys over the next few weeks and had her anyway

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i probably would've spent for eve if i hadn't pulled her before the last day of her banner tho

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my feelings toward eve are quite similar to qiuyuan in wuwa

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i don't pull on pure vibes very often but if a character scratches my brain in the right way i will not be stopped until i get them

glossy latch
rapid bough
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i mean qiuyuan can get it, tell me i'm wrong

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but no that's not what i meant lol

glossy latch
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I know lmao

rapid bough
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anyway, with 30 free limited pulls for wuwa anni that we wouldn't have had otherwise, i'm feeling pretty good about my chances of getting hiyuki

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if she takes me to double soft pity again though i may be cooked tho

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i can't fund that 3 times in a row lol

runic ether
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was it potential man

slow raft
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think of the worst id possible close to release

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god i wish discord actually told you what it notified you for when you get a reaction on a post instead of just showing that you got one
related: hello regi, how are you

glossy latch
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Also Im back to farming nameless explorer 💀

silver osprey
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God

glossy latch
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The things I do for maginal improvement on already well-performing characters

silver osprey
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I remember when I played N corp on release

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It was basically just GripFaust and Nclair with 3 other jobbers

slow raft
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i soloed the most powerful boss with him at release: Aida

slow raft
silver osprey
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And ironically NDon is holding blemor on her back

slow raft
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seeing as i have barely ever used her in tremor, i dont think thats true

runic ether
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dw canto 10 will save them clearly

slow raft
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robo kromer will probell the team to new heights clearly

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honestly, if the nagel and hammer passives included "n corp" isntead of just "n corp fanatic", itd be alot more competent

runic ether
#

fr

glossy latch
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Actually I think I'll stop farming for Sigrikas echoes

old galleon
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supposedly some patch notes for half anni were leaked?

runic ether
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even if they are just fodder for fell bullet

glossy latch
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I did some math and a full improvement is not that likely 😔

runic ether
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that'd still help

old galleon
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not gonna post them here tho

slow raft
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i mean they do have tremor and bleed synergy and you could get rid of the... less competent ids

old galleon
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oh i see they were already posted anyway

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so uh

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half anni patch spoilers ||both anis and neon being electric in a world where cindy exists||

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||if they save tetra and missilis tower respectively, i'll be glad for that alone||

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||not sure if i'll use them in pilgrim/overspec tower tho, that one's already super loaded but we'll see||

silver osprey
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Bleed + tremor

slow raft
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oh, in havent played that team enough to say

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so ill trust your judgement

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very interesting tho that shes better than the units that do the bleed tremor conversion

old galleon
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fgo da vinci summer event rerun is soon lol

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didn't realize it was already that time

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da vinci herself is a good welfare, and ocean flier is one of the better welfare ce's

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so both are good if you're missing any of them

slow raft
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I could go for a few more ocean fliers

old galleon
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tbh i almost never use it, tho part of that is simply bc i haven't been able to get it to 100 yet

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but usually when i'm using an arts attacker i can get away with bg

slow raft
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Well some of us dont have mlb bg

old galleon
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yes, which is why i'm saying ocean flier is one of the better welfare ce's

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i'm aware my situation isn't exactly normal

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but even outside of that there are times where it's easier to start from 50-70% than from 0-20%, for one reason or another

summer hornet
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Played 5 games of GCG against red-white Neo Zeon with two decks (BW Riddhe and RG CB) and lost in painfully consistent fashion

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One particularly distinctive game, the opponent brought out 3 8Qux to ping my board away and clear my entire life in one fell swoop

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I am understanding the issue with building to face rush aggro

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As far as gacha, I've not done much besides dailies so far

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Gonna save my OS-10 rematch for a time when my brain is less sleep-logged

runic ether
summer hornet
#

||Flaming butterfly||

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||Come to think, I don’t think I ever said it outright. Borrowed a friend Nursefather Yi Sang, and combined with a more refined strategy I was able to break through the apprentice duo without a problem||

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Which skin should I use my costume voucher ticket on btw

runic ether
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||ah yeah that final fight of part 1 can end up being tricky without a good plan at dealing with ren's evades and albina's constant bleed.||

old galleon
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holy shit, a bagpipe skin where she has clothes : ^)

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anyway, i see that kjera maid skin lurking in the corner

summer hornet
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Lmfao I’m not surprised your eyes went there

old galleon
#

between the two, i'd take neither of them bc i actually don't have either bagpipe or mountain

if i had both, i'd take bagpipe

but if you prefer mountain, go grab his

summer hornet
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Honestly I’ve been using Bagpipe more lately

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But Mountain’s skin is crisp

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And he’s always a solid laneholding option

slow raft
summer hornet
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Funny that firefist Gregor is Sukuna in this analogy

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Instead of the disaster curse of volcanoes

runic ether
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the bloodfiends became outmoded by the ring on the bleed team because of firefist gregor soloing them

runic ether
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now we just need don to change teams... even rodya and meursault have left her for greener pastures

slow raft
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Shell get the dong-hwan id next walpurgis, trust clearly

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Disgorge innards will be the new highest damage skill in the game for sure

glossy latch
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Ok maybe Ill just level any ATK% 3-costs I get for Sigrika in case they roll with an ATK% substat

slow raft
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sure, i got 23 minutes to spare

runic ether
#

man

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tsunul said this on stream but

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he really does talk like kira does

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kjh added tsunul to limbus icant

slow raft
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decent video

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mostly agree with his opinions

runic ether
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yea

slow raft
runic ether
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it cant all be hits from the pinky ig

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also missing the point that

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kira's dialogue (9.5 and ending spoilers) ||is written in such a way that we can get hohenheim a daughter and ryoshu a sister that the writers can rip away from them and cause further character development clearly ||

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post 9.5 theorizing ||we get to watch kira redeem herself in hohenheim and the lce's eye as she joins them, she spends good time bonding, and she even starts getting better speaking habits due to having a proper parental figure in hohenheim.||

old galleon
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did two social banner pulls and also got enough high quality records to do a pull on that

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the first social pull got me milk c1, the second social pull got me d mlb, the high quality records got me crow mlb

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lol

rapid bough
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i was gonna say blessed but can anything be blessed when it involves crow

old galleon
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i will accept mlb crow insofar as she still increases my synchro level cap (not that i'll ever get there)

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any core dupes will be cursed

runic ether
rapid bough
#

i tried with sanby team on middle and dialyn on bottom first and was unsatisfied so i went YSG/dialyn mid and lycaon bottom and did better

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lycaon definitely feels much smoother with yidhari than dialyn does

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helps that i have lighter wengine for lycaon too

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though i can't always count on that since i'm sure a day will come when i want to use both of them for the same reset

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has me tempted to try thrall with lycaon instead of dialyn tbh but i think lycaon was favored for shiyu here because it's only ice weak, whereas thrall is ice+phys weak so dialyn and lycaon both have advantage

wispy goblet
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Have you maxed out Lycaon's potential?

rapid bough
#

ya

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wouldn't be using him otherwise, bro's clunky af before his potential imo

rapid bough
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yeah i'm maxing out at like 31k w/ yidhari+lycaon on thrall

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got like 37k with dialyn

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multiple ults for every stun phase is just too good in DA

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lycaon's faster stun is good for shiyu tho

wispy goblet
#

new character/disc comparison website
in beta rn
looks kinda like a mix of enka (which they also link to actually)
and Riv's IK

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interesting feature
lets you compare your substats against their recorded top 1%

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not for every character though

rapid bough
#

wait cissia's best f2p wengine is anton's sig? that is extremely funny

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and the gap between it and her sig isn't even that large, wild

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does that make her the first attack agent for whom the best f2p option is actually an A rank engine

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it's true of a lot of anomaly/stun/support agents but i feel like brimstone has been automatic best f2p for every attack agent since release lol

wispy goblet
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Yeah
She has an ER scaling

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So you want Anton sig if you're not getting her sig

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If you're running Cissia as the main DPS, her sig is more important
But as a sub-DPS it's not that pressing

turbid olive
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I got an Alice doll for my home. uwu

toxic cloud
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Good morning Zhuang fans

slow raft
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Gm

toxic cloud
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@silver osprey read the team name

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Anyway this is very bad but im gonna roll w it bc it's the idiot trio + best girl
I have a separate electric team

toxic cloud
#

zhuang fangyi mutilated my oroberyls holy

glossy latch
#

They nerfed the Luuk Lynae Denia team >:[

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Now you need Mornye for Denia to be good for Luuk

silver osprey
toxic cloud
#

Pog

wispy goblet
#

holy

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two hour long 3.5 anni stream

silver osprey
mental acorn
#

it's that time of the year again

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break out the talulah copium

long tree
#

Thoughts on zhuang fangyi: she's got really really good damage but her team comps right now are missing a sustain

slow raft
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Gilbertas sustain is goated wdym clearly

silver osprey
runic ether
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whats gilberta sustaining? the rest of the team's will to live?

silver osprey
#

Just dodge 4head

long tree
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Fangyi needs those electrocution stacks and while gibbys succ groups them all, she doesnt help build stacks so she's useless

silver osprey
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1.3 will have the Suibling be an electric healer so that Perli kills Ren gets replaced for her

long tree
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One can hope

wispy goblet
#

have you watched it yet

rapid bough
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yeah i finished it before coming here

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don't have too terribly much to say because the leaks from the other day were just 100% correct lol

wispy goblet
#

I hope the total price for ||the double skin gacha|| remains $60

rapid bough
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basically guaranteed i fold to the anis gacha costume lol

wispy goblet
#

I could easily see it taking more rolls to get everything from it

rapid bough
#

honestly the thing i want most out of that livestream is ||neo-neon's theme song, that shit went extremely hard||

wispy goblet
#

Are you going for ||Liberalio's gacha skin||?

rapid bough
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nope

wispy goblet
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we are hoping and praying out here

slow raft
rapid bough
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remember to redeem the CD keys, nice haul

long tree
wispy goblet
#

lock da cake

rapid bough
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always

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so with the 3.5 anni costumes known, only the main anis gacha one really interests me

slow raft
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Just rralized that the umbral monument boni are no longer available oops

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Ig i can still get the mefals tho

rapid bough
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the rapi one is very cute + blessed but i wouldn't use it over her poll skin, and idrc about the doro or liberalio ones

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which means... i may go for racist drake

wispy goblet
#

I have RRH gacha skin
and I'm not very moved by the Doro skin

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thinking about if I want Racist Drake or Goth Jellycat

#

wild speculation
who will be the third neo-Heretic
||a Snow White-Harran fusion, or a Nihilister-Indivilia fusion||

slow raft
rapid bough
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3.5 anni livestream ||btw i was basically right about this, same basic design but anis got her own color||

rapid bough
wispy goblet
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story trailer spoiler ||are they hinting Anis and Pretty are gonna have a center-of-the-mind conversation like Rapi and Red Hood had||

wispy goblet
rapid bough
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||i assume you mean noah, and altruia. but yes i know, i'm just saying harran got atomized lol

though i did realize after sending that i'm misremembering what happened to indivilia. she got eaten by nihilister who was absorbed, so a future hybrid of her is far more likely||

wispy goblet
#

||ye mis-typed||

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||they better not kill off any of the Four Beasts before they become playable at the least||

rapid bough
#

||0% chance of that happening||

wispy goblet
#

also interesting that ||looks like the B-plot squad is gonna be Snow White, Nayuta, Mirror, and Rose||

rapid bough
#

||seems like we'll get two b-plot squads (four beasts as well)||

wispy goblet
#

also shit dawg
the base ||Star Anis|| burst
I wanna MLB lamo

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it's not gonna happen

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I'll have to do it the long hard way through wishlist

rapid bough
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i'm kinda whatever about all of the bursts shown, ||but i can see myself MLBing neo-neon because her theme song sounds fucking awesome and it will probably go very well with her burst ani||

wispy goblet
#

more wild speculation
||Neo-Marian will be a B2 to complete the squad||

old galleon
#

initial thoughts

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skins are good

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haven't gotten to check theme songs or anything like that

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anis b1 in a moran economy

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it's not like she had to be b3 but directly competing with moran is uhhh annoying

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also little mermaid in pilgrim tower

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skyjlv is speculating she might be a re-enter b1

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until proven i'm calling that cope

wispy goblet
#

apparently something was said to that effect in the JP stream

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it's clear one of Star Anis or Avistar is a re-enter

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allegedly Anis checks for another B1 on the team
if there is one, she's re-eneter
if not, she's a normal B1

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it's interesting they didn't go 1-2-3 for Counters

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we're at 1-3-3

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Neo Marian will be B2
I see the vision

old galleon
#

if she does end up being re-enter (flexible), then she becomes a lot better

rapid bough
#

if anis can be re-enter or normal depending on other b1 presence, then i'd be curious how she handles CDR

old galleon
#

cecil won favorite npc again

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lol

rapid bough
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i have to imagine she has her own CDR since not giving that to her risks fundamentally limiting her squad options in a way i wouldn't expect of an anni unit (especially with the popularity of anis, there's no way they aren't making her broken)

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but maybe she'll only have it if she's operating as a normal b1 and not if she's in re-enter mode, idk

wispy goblet
#

Neo Neon has Missilis x Elysion on her weapon
I wonder if they'll let you use her in Elysion tower

rapid bough
#

doubt it

old galleon
#

think i'm gonna have to add "chat morons spam 'fire kayli mills'" to my future anni stream bingo cards

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shit seemingly happens every time

rapid bough
#

yeah i saw a ton of that around halfway through and it made me close the stream chat

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god damn neo neon's theme is gonna live rent free in my head until it releases officially

#

it's honestly got me more hyped to MLB neon than anis lol

old galleon
#

do you have a link to the stream?

#

i want to check some things on the video proper

rapid bough
old galleon
#

thanks

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damn, 2 hour stream

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i'm glad i chose to go to bed

rapid bough
#

really only 1.5 hours or so

#

first 30 mins and change are just a countdown

old galleon
#

changes nothing lol

wispy goblet
#

There's also the JP stream
I didn't watch the whole thing but they did a fight against the new boss with the new units

rapid bough
#

oh something i meant to comment on: not only did cindy win the nikke popularity poll, her theme (unbreakable) won best song lol

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wonder if old tales would've won best event again if it had been eligible

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cindy sweep

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also predicted this one

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SBS gacha is just too peak

#

didn't anticipate cecil winning best NPC again though, not that i'm arguing since she is great

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ark guardian + chapter 43 made andersen agenda stronger than ever so it makes sense he only narrowly lost to cecil (literally like a 200 vote difference)

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and osgoat coming in at third is of course well deserved, esp with pretty star fresh in everyone's minds

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all told, the only popularity poll result that really caught me by surprise is liberalio at #2 in the nikke rankings

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said it before and i'll say it again, i was unfamiliar with her game (how popular she is in JP)

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wonder if she'll hold that ranking next year since ain't no way she's beating anis lol

#

guess it depends on who we get for 4th anni + NY

#

i'll call my shot right now that 4th anni will be hansel + gretel

old galleon
#

i don't think anyone currently in the game has a realistic shot of beating anis next year

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they'd have to add like

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a new version of modernia

rapid bough
#

agreed

old galleon
#

to even have a shot

rapid bough
#

also god help me the anni minigame is another fucking rhythm game

wispy goblet
#

and allegedly it's at least semi-permanent
if they intend to keep adding songs

rapid bough
#

i play four gacha games and all four of them will have had rhythm minigames in the last month or two

old galleon
#

isn't zzz a rhythm game in disguise

rapid bough
#

how do you mean

old galleon
#

from what little i remember of the combat it reminded me of rhythm games

silver osprey
#

Oh, the 7th anni livestream post shows a spinal chord in the background

#

It really is going to be Kalter

old galleon
#

did they hide any wells in teh post too?

rapid bough
#

pretty standard action RPG with perfect parries/dodges and stuff

silver osprey
rapid bough
wispy goblet
#

There's three possible scenarios

  • Anis by herself
  • Anis with a normal B1
  • Anis with a re-enter B1
    Hoping she works in all three
runic ether
rapid bough
#

seeing a lot of people saying they think anis's main gacha costume sucks and is worse than the secondary costume (idek what to call it they're both from the gacha track dammit)

#

crazy talk imo

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the secondary skin's idle pose doing a little dance is hella cute tho

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the one tragedy of both skins is that they have significantly inferio/covered gyatt compared to base, why live

old galleon
#

anyway, as always, i don't intend to spend on the gacha skins

#

(or the other skins, but idol rapi is cute)

rapid bough
old galleon
#

||hopefully your idol arc doesn't include an abusive ceo who gives less than zero fucks about you||

#

already seeing some people be disappointed anis is a b1

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this feels like silverash all over again

#

where you have the braindead take that "this popular character is "only" a vanguard/b1" so it sucks

#

i do have my own issues with anis being b1, but it's mainly the potential moran or little mermaid conflict, not this idea that "she needs to be b3" or whatever

rapid bough
#

she's set up to be probably the most unique b1 yet so gotta withold judgment anyway imo

summer hornet
#

You already know my stance

#

||regardless of her kit, Anis is Anis||

rapid bough
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she's all but guaranteed to be meta defining so i don't think there's much to worry about

#

no way shift up would accept her being weak or niche, if necessary they'd buff her post-release (not a coincidence that the only other time they've done that was red hood)

old galleon
#

ye, if anis is bad, people would riot

wispy goblet
#

I'm more surprised they didn't do 1-2-3 for the Counters trio

rapid bough
#

RRH already wouldn't really fit in given she has different elemental advantages

#

so a theoretical 1-2-3 burst ladder would just be a gimmick more than anything

old galleon
#

you can still run them in the same team too at least in theory

#

depends on how anis's b1 shenanigans work but rapi and neon will probably be a competent b3 core

#

them not hitting same elemental weakness only really matters for efficiency in boss fights and such; if neon is even halfway competent in mob fights you can just run the two in standard campaign or tower

#

tho in tower neon would have to compete with the already huge horde of insane pilgrims

wispy goblet
#

I'm sure the devs remembered they put Neon in the same role as Cinderella

silver osprey
summer hornet
#

Beat stage OS-10 in Arknights; the gimmick was actually laughably easy once I understood how it worked. No wonder it only costs 10 sanity to run, and only has first-time-clear rewards. It’s not meant for farming

Picture related to the story; ||ending the event with that kind of cliffhanger is cruel but all in all it was truly peak. Fantastic work all around, on music and art and everything inbetween||

summer hornet
# silver osprey

I still haven’t even started chapter 15 but ||I assume that this is going to bring Kalt’sit back in time for A Walk In The Dust or something like that?||

old galleon
#

cindy is a great boss nuke but has limitations in regular mobbing; remains to be seen if neon is similar or stands out

silver osprey
#

Uhhh nah it's related to something different that happens in that chapter

old galleon
#

if nothing else, i fully expect her to be the savior of missilis

silver osprey
#

Crazy that you managed to avoid all the spoilers that came with it though lmao

summer hornet
#

A miracle lol

#

Part of it is also me actively trying to ignore stuff, but that’s besides the point

#

||Do any other Arknights events talk about Elves? I think I remember a vague mention in the DunMeshi collab but idr||

silver osprey
#

||Lone Trail and Mumu ig||

#

Her skin talks more about them

summer hornet
wispy goblet
#

spitball
will Eyeri buff all versions of Anis

old galleon
#

better question is if eyeri will ever be playable

wispy goblet
#

Oh right
We're getting Avistar

#

Got them mixed up

silver osprey
rapid bough
#

since i only one want one of the 3.5 anni skins... i caved

#

guess i am a racist

old galleon
#

353k gems? rookie numbers

rapid bough
#

i have quite a haul of molds and standard recruits to spend when anni drops

wispy goblet
#

did you go the distance

rapid bough
#

of course lol

#

the odds are such that there's like an 80% chance you'll need all 60

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and most of the odds that you get it early are concentrated in the second-to-last pull, so still $50

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of all the scams gacha skins i've bought, i've only ever gotten one of them early, and it was mermaid's during 2.5 anni where i spent $20 (so $30 equivalent since annis give $10 of free progress)

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which was hella lucky and i'll be chasing that high probably for the rest of my days

old galleon
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good skin on good unit

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don't blame you

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(but still a scam)

rapid bough
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no argument here

wispy goblet
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gonna have to balance my upcoming ZZZ spending with my 3.5 anni spending

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speaking of spending

rapid bough
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still on the fence about getting that one

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it's a good skin on such a bad unit

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she might get a favorite item in the future but that's no guarantee she'll end up good either

old galleon
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sora event wallpaper is enough to hold me over on her

rapid bough
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not me reopening the nikke stream and just playing the overspec neon showcase on repeat since the theme goes so hard

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i thought they did her dirty by making her the secondary unit in anis's event and not even giving her a release skin

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but they gave her a certified banger theme so it evens out somewhat

wispy goblet
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it will be a little funny if she gets a pass skin the following month
either no one gets it because everyone is spent
or people spring for it because the competition is less stiff

rapid bough
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my assumption is that one of the 4th anni skins will be for her

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they seem to like a half-year delay for new skins on anni units

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liberalio just now, mermaid 3rd anni (beautiful bubble), both cindy and grave (beautiful me+you) last 2.5 anni

wispy goblet
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hmm

old galleon
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tbf little mermaid was introduced with her gacha skin last half anni (and so was mihara)

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when did crown get naked king?

rapid bough
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release on 1.5 anni

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took until 3rd anni to get her regular skin

old galleon
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and doro's gacha skin?

rapid bough
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uhhhh

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idk but probably for 1st anni? idt they were doing gacha skins yet when doro released

old galleon
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aight

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so i think it's inevitable that neon will get a gacha skin, we just don't know when yet

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the regular anni skins seem to have been a bit more of a mixed bag tho

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did red hood even have a skin before her poll winner?

wispy goblet
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I don't think so

wispy goblet
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her only skins are the free skin and gacha skin

old galleon
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how'd red hood go so long without a gacha skin? you'd figure they would have milked the shit out of that cash cow sooner

toxic cloud
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Don't uh, tell Yvonne

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stay quiet khaios ahri7

rapid bough
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if we were to plot out anni unit skin releases we get something like

  1. dorothy: release -> 0.5 years -> gacha skin for 1st anni
  2. red hood: release -> 1 year -> popularity poll skin right before 2nd anni
  3. crown: release gacha skin immediately -> 1.5 years -> regular skin for 3rd anni
  4. cindy: release gacha skin immediately -> 0.5 years -> regular skin for 2.5 anni
  5. grave: release -> 0.5 years -> regular skin for 2.5 anni
  6. mermaid: release gacha skin immediately -> 0.5 years -> regular skin for 3rd anni
  7. mihara: release gacha skin immediately -> 1 year no skin
  8. nayuta: release gacha skin immediately -> 0.5 years so far, no skin
  9. liberalio: release -> 0.5 years -> gacha skin for 3.5 anni

so 5/9 of the anni units have received skins (either their first or a second) within half a year of release

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of those, 3 were released without skins (doro, grave, liberalio) and 2 of those got gacha skins at the next anni

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given that trend and the fact that neon is neon, i'd say odds are she gets a gacha skin for 4th anni

old galleon
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also just realized that, assuming next year's popularity poll works as we expect it to, anis will be the first half anni winner

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modernia (new year)
red hood (anni)
rapi red hood (new year)
cindy (anni)

rapid bough
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the full anni events have historically been their biggest ones with overzone as a half-anni being a major exception (tbf that was close to release so it's understandable they wanted to put their best foot forward early)

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this 3.5 anni is shaping up to be probably the strongest half-anni since overzone

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i really wonder where they're planning to go with 4th anni that might top this

wispy goblet
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apparently they're looking to remove a feature by or during 4th anni

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and apparently that will make us pop

rapid bough
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huh

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did they say that in the dev panel on stream since i didn't watch that

wispy goblet
old galleon
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the gatekeeper has introduced a necromancer to the world of nikke, who has successfully incorporated liliweiss into their army of the dead

the gatekeeper has also introduced a holy priest (maiden), who successfully purifies the undead liliweiss

and this cacophony of bullshit is how they make playable lilith

wispy goblet
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specifically used the language of "remove a feature"

rapid bough
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...what feature could they remove that would "make us pop" and potentially ship as a major anni change

wispy goblet
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I dunno
rock rerolling?

rapid bough
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RNG gear is here to stay

old galleon
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make all rolls black line? that'd be nice

unfrotunately that's never happening

rapid bough
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dread it, run from it, RNG endgame arrives all the same

wispy goblet
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okay they didn't say specifically it would make us pop
but it was said in a way that would make it sound positive

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it was pretty offhand, too

rapid bough
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as much as i love nikke it's not exactly the most feature-dense game, it's popular mostly on the strength of its story and music with a healthy dose of fanservice

old galleon
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i wouldn't expect anything actually useful to come out of that

rapid bough
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if anything it probably needs more features, not fewer

old galleon
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and if it does, then i'll be pleasantly surprised

wispy goblet
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okay lemme type out a pull quote

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it'll be easier to read than taking a bunch of single-line screenshots

rapid bough
old galleon
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the ones who immediately come to mind are hansel, gretel, and pinocchio (whatever the fuck they are)

rapid bough
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the reason i think hansel+gretel are likely though is because cindy, grave, and mermaid set out to find them and i doubt they'll be sidelined for long

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granted, we do sort of need an initial major confrontation with the post-goddess fall queen, and something of that magnitude is ripe for an anni event, and the four beasts B plot seems to be set up for that

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that said, that does seem a bit too similar as an overarching plot to goddess fall so idk

old galleon
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i think four beasts for anni is cope, esp since they only do 2 at a time (unless they want to do even more per anni now)

but if they do do any of them, i'd predict behemoth for popularity or leviathan for little mermaid connection

wispy goblet
#

pull quote from the official translation provided in subtitles

Recently, there's been a lot of power creep, and I wanted to bring things closer to the original feel. So we explored some new ideas. These days, it takes quite a while to use a skill, which can be beneficial for Commanders, but it can also feel a bit boring. So this time, we aimed for a slightly faster-paced style. I think this will make for a more dynamic experience that feels more exciting for players. And as a hint for future characters, we're working on ones that are getting faster and faster.
Getting excited? You should be! There's also a feature we removed, but you'll have to wait until the 4th anniversary for that reveal.
(Different guy) Thankfully, those are things that haven't been discussed with me yet. We'll make sure everything is as perfect as can beso you can enjoy the game fully.

rapid bough
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levi will definitely be the first of the four beasts to release

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maybe alongside behemoth, maybe not

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but it'll go levi -> behemoth -> ziz -> bahamut almost certainly

toxic cloud
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Perhaps

old galleon
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ren do you play nikke

rapid bough
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no he's just a doro enjoyer

old galleon
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speaking of doro

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||how do we think she's gonna kick doban's shit in||

toxic cloud
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I like doro yeah

wispy goblet
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||not if Andersen talks her down||

toxic cloud
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And not just the meme but actual Dorothy

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and her evilness and all that

rapid bough
#

Recently, there's been a lot of power creep, and I wanted to bring things closer to the original feel. So we explored some new ideas. These days, it takes quite a while to use a skill, which can be beneficial for Commanders, but it can also feel a bit boring. So this time, we aimed for a slightly faster-paced style. I think this will make for a more dynamic experience that feels more exciting for players. And as a hint for future characters, we're working on ones that are getting faster and faster.
Getting excited? You should be! There's also a feature we removed, but you'll have to wait until the 4th anniversary for that reveal.
that first statement about taking a while to use skills and making a "faster-paced style" is... idek what to think of that, are they talking about bursting more often?

and it's impossible to tell whether the feature removal is tied in to the previous statement or just offhandedly mentioned as a teaser

old galleon
wispy goblet
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they don't have to be

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but they were said by the same guy in kinda the same section so I grabbed them both

old galleon
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no that's fine, i'm just saying they could be completely unrelated

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inb4 we start getting 20s b3

rapid bough
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my mind immediately goes to potentially removing burst generation as a concept but that would turn PvP on its head and honestly remove one of the few interesting teambuilding considerations

old galleon
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but wouldnt' that go against the idea of a "faster-paced style"

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burst gen is how people go fast

rapid bough
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well what i mean is just being able to burst on CD, no generation in between required

old galleon
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removing it without replacing it with something else would slow the game down

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hm

rapid bough
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to be clear i don't think that will happen for aforementioned reasons

old galleon
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i think that could happen, but i don't see a world where it'd apply to arena

rapid bough
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but that's the only thing i can think of off the dome that fits what the first statement seems to be trying to say

wispy goblet
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wacky idea

toxic cloud
rapid bough
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what else even affects play speed

wispy goblet
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what if they change how the B1-2-3 structure works

old galleon
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her character arc is...interesting

wispy goblet
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if Anis really does have this increased B1 flexibility, working in both re-burst and normal compositions

toxic cloud
rapid bough
wispy goblet
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then she could be the first fruits of a new paradigm of how the burst system works

toxic cloud
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I only know a hasty tldr from what the others have said here

old galleon
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so to put it in fgo terms (this is probably stupid but work with me here)

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doro is very much an avenger

toxic cloud
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Pog

wispy goblet
old galleon
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||she and the rest of the goddess squad were effectively exiled from the arc despite being promised a hero's welcome after doing their mission||

||there are reasons behind that that make the whole thing a lot more complicated, but doro took it very personally (understandably imo)||

||then various other shit happens and she just never gives up on that grudge she has toward the ark||

||so she has her reasons, it's not like she's blatantly "evil"||

rapid bough
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Recently, there's been a lot of power creep, and I wanted to bring things closer to the original feel. So we explored some new ideas. These days, it takes quite a while to use a skill, which can be beneficial for Commanders, but it can also feel a bit boring. So this time, we aimed for a slightly faster-paced style.
tbh this statement doesn't even make sense to me (aside from the power creep part)

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if they're talking about burst gen, it's only gotten faster over time

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it's basically mandatory for new meta units to have fast burst gen, or be made to fit in teams that have it

old galleon
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meanwhile, in rapi land

rapid bough
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i mean it obviously depends on the unit, but for a while now we've been getting units that basically wheelchair burst gen on their own

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treasure helm, mermaid, SWHA, grave

old galleon
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but in that mix are units who have not-so-great self-burst gen

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cindy, rapi, favorite item moran, favorite item privaty

you just usually run them with one of the above mentioned to patch the burst gen issue

rapid bough
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sure, but those end up going into teams that have nutty gen so it ends up balancing out

old galleon
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point being that it's not strictly mandatory for meta units to have fast burst gen of their own

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(hence your edit, presumably)

rapid bough
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i did edit my initial statement

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regardless, my point is that with these burst gen-focused units being plug and play into so many teams to solve any burst gen issues on their own, we end up with basically every team having lightning quick burst gen

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which btw i think is fine, i think having slow burst gen in a team feels like shit

wispy goblet
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also what does "closer to original feel" mean here

rapid bough
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well that's kinda what i'm asking lol

wispy goblet
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it doesn't sound like they're trying to reign in power creep and take us back to slower gameplay

old galleon
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it means more ass physics : ^)

rapid bough
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the statement seems to be about using burst skills

wispy goblet
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TRUUUUU

rapid bough
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which are being used faster than ever before

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so idk where the "lately it takes quite a while to use a skill" comes from

wispy goblet
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first I wondered if it was about farming up to level up a skill

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but that wouldn't tie into more dynamic gameplay

rapid bough
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this is also why i don't think removing burst gen as a concept (at least for PvE) is going to happen

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a unit's burst gen is actually an important part of their kit

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the efforts they've evidently gone through to make these "plug and play for max burst gen" units would go to waste if they just axe it as a concept

wispy goblet
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on the other hand
if this is the direction they're going, making max burst gen easy
why not go all the way and simplify the matter by removing it as a mechanic

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I do think that would be a shame
I hope the change is more like Anis' (alleged) B1 flexibility

rapid bough
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i can see how that might lead to "more dynamic gameplay" in theory (by not pigeonholing you into needing the burst gen units)

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issue is that the burst gen units aren't strong just because of their burst gen... they also happen to be a laundry list of the best units in the game for other entirely unrelated reasons

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so you'd end up using them anyway and team comps wouldn't change lol

wispy goblet
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requiring specific structures based on burst order requirements is an interesting part of the teambuilding
like Maid Mast-Anchor or Crown+Helm/Naga eating up two slots
but maybe opening up more options for re-enter bursters to not need another burst in the same slot opens up interesting options

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would also solve the infamous Viper Favorite Item issue

rapid bough
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i had a literal showerthought earlier today where it occurred to me there's no nikkes with multiple burst phases, which feels like an unexplored area of potential design

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not in the red hood sense ofc where she just has 3 bursts

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but think like yixuan or YSG with two ults

wispy goblet
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hmmm

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like
a B3 that has two different options to B3?

rapid bough
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sure that's one way of doing it, or one that can basically operate as a solo b3 with two different phases that cycle every other burst

wispy goblet
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that would be interesting
could be a hassle to set up Auto behavior if you have access to both options at the same time

rapid bough
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still, there's no real complexity behind burst mechanics... you just build the bar and go up the ladder every time

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YSG and yixuan have unique resources and mechanics tied to their second ults that make them more interesting than just pressing the button an extra time

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i feel like you'd need something similar for a theoretical "double burst" nikke

wispy goblet
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well there's been plenty of Nikkes with secondary resources

rapid bough
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none that interact in particularly interesting ways with their burst tho

wispy goblet
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wouldn't be too big of a leap

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not yet

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hopefully it happens at some point

rapid bough
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i guess what i'm saying now is just... they could implement more interesting nikke-specific burst mechanics

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anis might be a step in that direction, though she seems to be more about changing how the burst ladder works which is sort of a different thing

wispy goblet
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you know

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both Anis and Rapi have unique burst mechanics

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I wonder if Neon will have one too

rapid bough
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we've seen she has a bar she builds up that then gets expended during burst

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but i'm not sure how much intrigue that really holds

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i guess i can think of one way it could be interesting, though with how anis is looking i'm not sure this will apply to neon specifically since it'd require three b3s in a team to work

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what if she can't burst when that bar is below 100, but once it hits 100 she always bursts (or is a re-enter b3), so you can effectively have two b3s bursting for a full burst every other cycle or something

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that'd be neat

wispy goblet
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Actually we have Neo Neon gameplay from the JP stream and I haven't heard anyone speculate anything about her
Would be a bummer though

rapid bough
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multi-b3 is something they haven't explored literally at all

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feels like an obvious area to expand into

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i do think neon is just going to be a bog standard b3 and that bar is just gonna be an extra resource she expends to do Big Firepower damage during her burst

old galleon
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multi-b3 sounds like a thing they'd need to make a 20s b3 to try

old galleon
rapid bough
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the most complexity i see that bar introducing is like an x.diesel use case, where you always want her to burst second (so she has time to fill her bar)

rapid bough
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having a re-enter b3 on a 40sec CD works with two other 40sec B3s just fine

wispy goblet
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Neo Marian will be B2
and then mystery girl from Commander's flashback is a wildcard

rapid bough
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what are the odds they just dropped that mystery girl flashback storyline

wispy goblet
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it's not zero
but Shift Up have been good at picking up seemingly dead storylines

rapid bough
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lowkey the most interesting burst in the game has been x.maiden since she was released lol

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you can use her as a normal burst, but if you don't then she builds damage over time and can just be used as a single nuke at the end of a fight

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only case where you bring three b3s to a fight and use all 3 at least once

rapid bough
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honestly completely forgot about her

wispy goblet
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oh
was listening to a streamer talk about that section
could they be truly removing pause strats

rapid bough
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referring to pausing the game and moving the cursor into a particular position to instashoot something?

wispy goblet
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yeah

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are they reworking or removing the QTEs?

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that would be crazy

rapid bough
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i hope so since i'm too lazy to get good at that and think it's a degenerate gameplay pattern

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it also only works for PC players so mobile gamers are left out to dry

wispy goblet
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how do they do that without removing either pausing
or accuracy checks

rapid bough
mental acorn
# silver osprey

i have been avoiding the leaks so i may be doomed to look the fool but ||i don't really want them to bring her back, it just makes her whole sacrifice pointless if everything goes back to the way it was||
||sure, they went straight for it right after RI regrouped. but reconvener nexus file implies that the data shards are at least somewhat aware, since all the ones we have were willing to live again (tbf, you could argue that this is just a quirk of talos ori being aether-corrupted, since hierda and the presence were resurrected unaware); kal has worked to improve terra for thousands of years, ensured the future is in good hands with RI, and gave us a fighting chance against priestess. if she decides that her part in this story has been played out, she's given all that she has to give, we don't need her anymore and we just get a proper goodbye scene i'd be more than happy enough||
||but if they really have to release a kalter then at least do something with priestess fucking with the unzipping process so the tables turn and now doc has to be the guide for an amnesiac kal||

runic ether
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yoooo its guy

mental acorn
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good ending: the spine is foreshadowing for a mon3tr skin

rapid bough
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abrupt realization: with the upcoming anomaly intercept rewards update, i need to figure out teams and play patterns to get to stage 9 on all the bosses now

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i can only consistently do stage 9 kraken and harvester atm

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i'll wait on doing mirror container since it's very likely anis and/or neon end up making that boss way easier

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but indivilia and ultra have gotta die

old galleon
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meanwhile i'm still on stage 5 or 6

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stage 4 mirror container too, haven't played it recnetly enough to log a stage 5

summer hornet
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Okay, that was good