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also, it'd be fun if they parodied a typical jrpg for an event
basically the legend of bangboo commission (iirc?) but with actual agents
Funny enough you're describing an event WuWa did last patch (-ish)
Oh yeah elysian realm
... i miss that event in wuwa
It was good
As for the hollows I feel like they suffer a bit from the loss of TV mode ironically
They're a lot harder to sell as eldritch locations that are just dangerous to be in when you can see everything
Plus you can't make them hard to navigate because that makes for poor gameplay
But if you don't they're just regular environments but crunchy
but then someone stupid wont be able to clear and hoyo will have complaints about it
Eh it would legitimately just be bad for the game
You want to have a level of abstraction to sell that kind of weirdness
yeah but why introduce a weird element if ur not gonna be truly weird with it
yeah and they should have gone weirder in 3d space too
@lusty egret @mortal iron Goodies for the taipei game show oho
Unfortunately need to play the game and have progress to get it
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In-game rank 10 at least
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That would take like a day maybe
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Is this Nanami 2.0 or what

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Mechanist VA before he's playable...
Ince-
Can we have Hiroyuki Sawano?
you can get unity cup sparks???? holy
Yea but it's power and wit
can they make a yi sang and don nendo already
Lycaon potential fixed
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Harumasa Potential Vision Showcase
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canto 9-35 spoilers
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※アークナイツ大陸版※
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So baggy sleeved medics is the new immortal meta 
i am Seated
im so fucking ready
bruh who at cygames thought befoulments were a good idea
i just wanna talk
||befoulments are basically disadvantages baked into certain weapons and cannot be removed; their effects and starting values are random as are the exorcision reductions needed to mitigate (not remove) their effects||
||it's artifacts with no upside||
||"but the weapons have good base effects to compensate" they do nothing you can't accomplish with a standard m3 grid||
i know the mechanic is new and only 2 of the 6 elements are released but god
how tf is canto 10 gonna top this shit dog
vespa and meursault content
you just know ts will go deadpan into locked the fuck in as they topple n corp
firs truns
we can push
the roster grows
it's so expensive to keep doing this lmao I have to farm like all day to do one
I think I might do Gil for archer, not sure who for lancer or rider, koyan for assassin obvs, koyan again for extra and then it'll be totally random for the last extra
I realised as well you could just do all artorias I think
All Raita, all Saberface, technically all Emiya family is possible if you count Rinfaces and Sakurafaces
Oh wait Miyu Summer exists
So all you'd need is Heracles for the Berserker slot
mmm yeah accurate i'd say
I don't have Curren or summon Maruzen 
has anyone been getting crashes in ZZZ lately
i just crashed twice in the last hour, and those weren't the first times either
seems to happen around 30-45 sec into stages when it does happen
did shiyu 4 and crashed the first time shortly after loading in, and just tried shiyu 5 and crashed shortly after loading in again
not that often but i did have a crash earlier in this season
and i'd have the program slow to a crawl, stutter, stop responding and then get a move on a few times but not anymore
Can't say I've had any crashes
gotta do team construction again for solo raid
does Only One have anything attribute-locked like QTEs
idk but i'd be very surprised if it didn't
i can't remember the last solo raid that didn't
felt easier this reset than last (also was nice that my game stopped crashing)
wonder why i seem to be the only one crashing
maybe we're just better at the mode now that we understand it
no it's definitely that the buffs and element weaknesses this time were better for the teams i could field lol
lol
how was Evelyn for you in Fight 2
I considered running her there but I settled on my Alice team since the non-Attribute buffs were Anomaly and the first goons are Phys weak anyway
the score you see was the score from my first attempt (well, second really, but my first crashed 30sec in)
safe to say she's fine
that is my most invested team though (eve + lighter sig)
so there's enough there to just brute force even with suboptimal buffs
tho the stage did have +30% fire damage which isn't nothing
new Lycaon and Haru buff info released
they gonna make Lycaon sig his best-in-class again
maybe one day i'll use lycaon in a team
can you not recycle S-rank w-engines
that does make sense
but also
a little funny
off-field totalize 
this is part of the new Hollow Zero mode that will be taking TFI's spot in prominence (likely)
instead of the bangboo ability
you now get a bonus agent to call
they gave her high heels too
god bless this designer making her taller than meursault
Huge props also for the not-dress they put outis in
they put all the sinners in really fitting clothing
i have seen ppl upset at don wearing a dress but...
post canto 7 i can see it
Oh right, i still need to choose a gssr for fgo
Narrowed it down a bit but man theres so many banners this time

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Well, ain’t that just umazi—
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Goldship: I see…Five Mangs(五望)of the Trainer…
im hopping in
I think it's decently memetic
hmm if you say so, honestly found yixuan pretty bland as a whole.
her knock knock avatar still sends me every time i see it
it's so good on so many levels
yixuan might be relatively bland but this single image is so endearing for her and obviously the birb
and i know i'm not the only one who feels that way so yeah it'll probably sell
I should do the Quality Times more
it's not much
but it's still a small aspect of the dating sim that I wish the game had more of
i did do those quite a bit in the beginning but well... it kind of just got boring after a while and after you get your favorites out of the way you just have less incentice to do so.
it's not like those single digits of gacha currency you get are doing much pull either.
stuff like fgo at least gave you more then that.
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OK so it wasn't my fault back then I tot if yui might be a guy---she's over 30??
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Canto 9 spoilers
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finished with most of rise of the beasts, but bc cygames is dumb and didn't put chichiri mats in shenxian (despite her also not being there in the last run), i still get to suffer
I haven't played past the demo of Samurai Remnant || https://x.com/i/status/2009880487649550672 ||
Love to see my stupid chud son dressing fancy for once
https://x.com/xVVx257/status/2009875568435835291
don't call him that
he is my precious baby chick who will fight his way out of the egg
in style
He can be a precious baby chick and also a dumb chud son
this new ZZZ event ain't subtle at all
trial YSG uses her new skin
trial anomaly team is mono-phys with alice+jane
they do be shilling
I need to find good sinclair pfp's
well what does that mean
the actual tails gets trolled account posted this??
lmfaoo
canto 9 part 3 datamines say ||he has new sprites with The Sign
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huh
Yeah its coming to global finally
found a good sinclair
They decided to pick Skadi as the bass player instead of Frostleaf
canto 9 spoilers ||i cant believe im getting convinced that araya is the one piloting the dihui star and thats why she can speak. we saw that as the other nurse fathers approach ryoshu, their injuries spike back up like valencina with her eye so the dihui star should too but the glitching and voice? maybe it is araya being bitter about her mother disguising herself as the dihui star.||
samrem spoilers ||yui is a homunculus made from einzbern magecraft in samrem continuity, she’s at the end of her lifespan||
organizing my presets
gotta make room for after pulling Astra
and trimming teams I don't use
hex maniac nikke pog
library event
positioned immediately after a deep lore drop event
||are we finally gonna learn who freesia is||
they're doing it again
wisdom spring: electric boogaloo 2
or something like that
just instead of mmr, it's ||oswald's?|| library
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Holy Sh-
Fuuuuuuuuck
Dokkan 11th anniversary starting with goku vs frieza
Gonna be hard to top the wwc ones
missed this on first glance but she is confirmed unfathomably based degenerate
hex maniac lol
that one right
okay
as I finish up prefarming Astra
I have new farming goals
- Yanagi
- Harumasa
- Lycaon w-engine
Yanagi and Harumasa are basically full build projects
Lycaon is just his w-engine
what to work towards first....
yeah everyone's been getting their hex maniac jokes in
Dude just roasting just like his own game
1 more pot for the scottish wyvern
@timber sigil funsmoke calls for your v6 qiuhua
I'll put her on my roster just woke up
genshin leaks huh... okay so they really taking the piss on the lore with traveler and this world. welp, guess i'll pull for columbina to keep up with powercreep and if i dont get her ill just quit genshin
Oof
That bad?
its natlan all over again
decent first part or so
into abyssmal dogshit after another
i can get over columbina losing all her relevance to the grand scheme of the fatui if it was handled well (it wasnt) and i can handle the lore being changed for honestly no reason aside from not needing to write a real conclusion to genshin in 3~ years and instead being able to drag it on for longer if it was handled interestingly and they had something to say (they dont)
and i could forgive this level of powercreep if it felt like there was a clear damage cap they aimed for, nor if they made characters like ineffa and lauma not feel so mandatory for new characters or else someone like columbina is bricked if they had maybe 2x the pulls for teams (they dont)
columbina ups damage higher than mauvika in many spots, while also being totally useless if you dont have ineffa or lauma
an aino upgrade as a 5 star...
a furina sidegrade for non-ineffa/lauma teams...
its dire when a 5 star feels like it needs another even if there are 2 (three with zibai)
but zibai drops her same patch too
so if they are not gonna give us meaningful 4 stars with region mechanics and locking so much power behind pre-emptive pulls, they'd need to get you many more pulls
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honestly not the voice I expected, I think
but... fitting
haven't reached these levels of girlfailure since bahamut
@timber sigil where qiuhua 
just changed

What'd they do this time?
traveler lore invalidates teyvat origin
the heavenly principles are simply an ai that serves the travelers and was from their ship which reshaped teyvat
its dumber than i put it though
it kind of invalidates... the reason for the journey
Wait what
How does that even work chronologically
Didn't the travelers get struck down by one of the HPs shades? How did they bring the HP with them after being struck down by it o.0
Caster
Look inside
Swords
did a practice run on daughter to see how badly i'd bungle it
idk if it's just i'm bad at mechanics but my attempt was putrid
Yui pog
idk, seems kinda expected for a character from a game called samurai remnant to maybe be somewhat proficient with a sword
Everyone has swords, it came free with your Xbox
"i'll go sit in the trash can over there"
no wtf don't do that
thats what im saying
it doesnt work
but its the lore description we got... and the spaceship is on the moon
which... again doesnt work
o-oh
what the fuck happened
christ
if my lob corp attempts had ever just started with kod rodion, i'd have completed that game

oh the genshin preload gives us story leaks and... oh man it only gets worse and worse
i don't think i'd want sin as my editor
also in-game patch notes reveal Label is Iron
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*Actual
they are trying to deceive us
to fool us
to pull the wool over our eyes
I will not fall for the ruse
this event will also be depressing
Enough time has passed
I don't seem to see anything new, what's in the preload?
yeah they're 100% trying to mask more incoming depression with horni this time
||tsaritsa shows up apparently and blames dottore for the fatui troubles||
Maybe should spoiler tag this?
Yea I saw it, but not gonna assume everyone that plays the game has
ok can i be real for a moment? of all the agents who are proxysexual, shunguang actually is the one best set up to be that way
i know hoyo went all-in on selling her as true gf material and that's been an eyeroll from a lot of people who don't really care about her
but considering everything the proxy has done with and for shunguang, her infatuation ranks among the most understandable proxy relationships in the game lol
more than vivian (and healthier), and more than basically every other agent who's down bad for them
like with most of the other agents things start as a professional relationship that becomes personal (sometimes without much reason to do so but gotta sell the connection to the proxy, basically "damn you are good at being a proxy, take me now")
with shunguang it's personal the whole way through and involves nothing less than them saving each other's lives on multiple occasions
so while i get people just not being interested in shunguang, i don't really follow all the "but her gf-coding is so forced" when i'd argue it's basically the least forced in the entire cast, (2.5 story spoiler) ||aside from the proxy helping her when they were children... that came outta nowhere and kinda wasn't necessary, though i'm hoping there's more to that whole story since something felt weird about that dreamlike sequence)||
For most people i imagine its mostly just the speed it goes from "we do not know each other" to "lets go on dates"
Though i will admit i also just find the writing for this season in general to be rather weak so im biased
to be clear i'm not saying the YSG relationship was built well
it was rushed and would've benefitted a lot from having her introduced earlier
and yes this season's writing has been meh at best (though i do think 2.5 reached "good" territory)
Oh i thought you disagreed with the post lol
all i'm saying is that all this criticism being directed at YSG feels like it was oddly absent for every other occasion where an agent goes from new acquaintance to wanting to jump the proxy in 2 seconds flat (which is like half of them)
and that by the end of 2.5, YSG's relationship with the proxy is actually one of the most well-developed (and borderline romantic) in the cast
so it feels weird to see everyone up in arms about her in ways i don't remember them being with, say, vivian
Its probably because it feels like its being shilled so much more strongly
it's definitely being shilled but is this not a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation
Or rather, people are so much more against it precisely because its devloped more as a romantic relationship
if you don't build the potential romantic undertones then it feels forced and out of place when you throw them in out of nowhere (like they do with several agents)
if you do build them as with YSG, then it's still forced, just in a different way
The more plausible deniability there is that there is a relationship, the better it is if your main character is a self insert
If the proyies were fully their own character it would feel less like shilling/pandering i imagine
right i'm not arguing that hoyo isn't catering to a very specific audience here (as a member of that audience, i am the mark)
it's what sells and we just have to make our peace with that
sure but what is "better"? is it no romantic undertones at all? is it no self-insert proxy? is it characters being introduced earlier to build into that pseudo-romance earlier?
ask 100 different ZZZ fans and you definitely get 100 different answers to that question
my only point is that i think previous agents have been a case of them trying to have their cake and eat it too
where they don't really build a personal relationship with the proxy until maybe the trust events at which point they're one step removed from being married
i'd say that is forced too, just at a different time and in a different way
YSG is built from the start to be a pseudo-romance, which is absolutely forced and shilled, but it at least let them develop that relationship better than basically any other agent
better imo would be if we didnt ditch the gf in a patch or 2
imo it's basically this meme playing out; the top panel is trigger stalking the proxy or vivian fangirling over them, while the bottom is YSG
which is the core of my problem
yes yes the gacha formula sucks for this kind of stuff
hoyo will introduce a girl, have her fawn over the mc, and in 3 patches we're already on to the next
I think if they are insistent on making the mc self inserts then its better that the actual romance is optional. Making it locked behind events you have to seek out is a way to do it but just being able to say no to advances in story would be a good way to handle it too
limbus is quite... relationship-free outside of canto 6 but it doesnt happen at all to dante
not really something it has tackled
not talking about relationships specifically there, just the benefit of having a recurring cast to focus on
which 99% of gacha games don't have
Persona had this shit figured out for a decade now where they have friendship and roamnce endings for a couple characters and you can choose which route to go on, its not really that difficult
2.5 was one of the few updates in the game that seemed like it had actually consequential dialogue options to not play into the YSG romance or at least maintain her at "friend" level
Maybe im just used to more consequential options cause ive played a couple to many visual novels but it didnt feel like that to me.
well i mean if you're comparing to actual VNs of course they're not lol
the story is still railroaded, we're in a hoyo gacha game
Admittedly im just frustrated with the lack of overall choice in the game so im definitely biased
my point is that if you don't really like YSG or you didn't want to fall prey to her doe-eyed "pwease i just wanna help", the game gave you dialogue options on several occasions to call her out or stonewall her
I have a similar issue with FGO
they don't change how things play out, but they at least gave the player liberty to choose how much they engaged with the shilled relationship
dante is in a polycule with everyone in the City
except Yan he's aroace
i don't disagree with basically any of of the criticisms i've seen you or anyone else make about the way the relationship is developed, especially given it will inevitably be forgotten as we move on to the next waifu they want to shill
i guess all i'd say is you picked the wrong fuckin storytelling format to indulge in since most of these are just fundamental weaknesses of the gacha formula
and i swear to god if anyone mentions limbus doing it right i will shit my fuck
i'm just arguing that, within the context of what this game is capable of giving us, YSG is probably the most well-executed shilled pseudo-romance

FEH does this right
so all the criticism toward her specifically is weird to me
I mean why its her specifically probably is a combination of the speed at which it progressed, the fatigue thats built up overtime and the general low quality of the writing
Though i can only guess at other peoples reasons
but the speed issue isn't even unique to her, and i'd argue the quality of the writing is the best it's been all season (which isn't saying much but still)
To circle back to this, i dont think its a fundamental weakness of the gacha formula, i think its a fundamental weakness of the hoyoverse approach to gachas and i should probably stop playing them
until goonfield embraces the ML trend
it is inevitable
(i'm only half joking)
We should hope to be better but they already have an artifact system its probably over
Tbf, shes the first shilled pseudo romance this sea..
<- forgot about yidhari
it absolutely applies to more than just hoyo gachas, they're just the easiest to pick on
Well yeah, the hoyoverse approach to gachas isnt just done by hoyoverse, sadly
and i'd argue more gachas struggle with the intrinsic limitations of "live service have to keep the gravy train rolling" structure than don't
i'll throw nikke under the bus here since it absolutely does
I think Granblue does a good job with this
it has a good story and universe, but it'd be significantly better if it weren't forced to shove it all into a gacha formula
Basically anything released after genshin has some fault in it that can be traced back to genshins success
genshin was a mistake, it is known
not to come across as a dunk or a jab but is nikke the one with the jiggling asses when you shoot
correct
its fucked cus genshin was doing really well in its story for quite a while
it has ass jiggle and depression in equal measure
never ideal, but it was always at the very least decent and they had 2 really strong patches in a row
When did genshin start to do well in its story?
halfway through inazuma
A few patches after inazuma i assume
I kinda wanna say that a big reason why genshin took off was because of the quarantine as well
enkanomiya was pretty fantastic
and raiden's second story quest was really well told
sumeru itself was all p good
Yeah i played like sveral weeks and never really got anything out of genshin probably because i stopoed after the 3rd act
I think unironically the most I've gotten out of hoyo games is good yaoi fanart
probably true, but i don't think it's a coincidence that so many other games have emulated its core systems
def a really weak start
genshin basically solved the gacha formula
its just generic
but it picks up a decent bit, before falling again, though u can blame covid for lack of pacing for inazuma
that whole patch cycle was delayed over 4 weeks and gave the inifnite ayaka banner
I could not force myself to play genshin enough to get to the good story cause the gameplay and the grind was so ass
Got enough to get the character i wanted and then dipped
Actually im shitting on the gameplay a bit to much
Tbh I liked the exploration in Genshin
That's the thing I'd argue it had always done well
The combat itself is fine enough, even if a bit simple, its jzst all the systems surrounding it that made me want to shoot myself
... though apparently they've scaled back the exploration starting with Natlan?
yep
I might've said it before but I liked genshin's exploration more than botw
and I'm not sure if that's praise for genshin or a condemnation of botw
the best part of the combat is the elemental reactions which honestly u dont get to until late late game
the way that elemental reactions can impact teambuilding on top of elemental applications really gives a lot of good feedback to the system and damage
I'd say former
bit of praise tbh
i've yet to play any of the open world gacha games
botw is still a good game
the first i play will probably be azur promilia
but i def agree genshin has better exploration for most of the game
I've played a fair few games with a focus on exploration, Genshin I'd say is one of the better ones
though i'd be lying if i said the recent wuthering waves character leaks weren't tempting to me
i'm normally goon-focused and proud of it but those mecha animations went quite hard
Lahai Roi has been pretty good~
I do really like open world games still I just think I would've gone ballistic if one of these had DMC or KH combat
wuwa is p goon-focused anyways
i know it used to be and got the "gathering wives" nickname (affectionate)
but it hasn't struck me as that recently
is HSR not also goon-focused
from my admittedly ignorant outsider perspective
tho maybe a different sort where the critique i see is this whole discourse with shunguang is basically every patch and every girl with wuwa
Also God when are we getting the Leaks for 3.1
I wanna see if Luuk is actually a Kamen Rider
maybe goon-focused isn't quite the right way to describe it
Sort of, sort of not
it's self-insert waifu bait, but not strictly goon-y
WuWa basically rolled the companion quests into the MQs
And a few characters do basically show romantic interest in rover
Though it's fewer than the reputation would make you think
It's like, Chisa, Iuno, maybe Lupa, Cartethyia and I wanna say that's all of them in 2.x?
ultimately i almost certainly won't play wuwa not because i have anything against it, but because i really really should not start another gacha, much less an open world one
Speaking of goons, this is such a funny image.
Cause you cant tell this person doesnt know anything about gooners by the fact that they think feet dont really count. And then you go one caregory down and see what they consider not a gooner char and you just have to laugh
https://x.com/ZZZAnonymously/status/2010496869223293389
if i dropped any of my current 3 though wuwa would probably be top of the list of games i'd pick up
can I be honest for a second
no you may not
Nah
you must continue to lie
ok
Lie like vortigern
lighter is not a gooner character and I do not have unresolved feelings towards him
Yixuan in "not a gooner char" is a choice
the only correct tier here is toxic yaoi with lycaon/hugo lol
And being toxic yaoi doesnt even disqualify someone from being gooner bait!

my heart is pure I'm only gay for cute guys for amazing reasons (playing the games they're from)
Iori is my favorite I love him
if FGO weren't cowards they'd have him clashing against morgan or junao for the fun of it
Iori when the universe gets destroyed and remade in front of him: "nah, id win"
to run it back for a moment to my "YSG is best developed waifu shill so far" for a moment
this tier list reminded me
they had the opportunity to give zhu yuan probably the best relationship arc with the proxy (from trust -> recovering from lie -> trust again) and completely flubbed it
and i will never forgive them
zhu yuan and sanby are probably the biggest casualties of the gacha formula mandating we move on to "the next character" so far
Zhu yuan just completely falling to the wayside is a bit insane yea
iori getting destroyed and remade in the exact same way because he's perfect just the way he is
Sidenote: i admire the optimism it takes to put all the underage characters in the "not a gooner character" tier but if you think that for example ellen joe isnt made with a certain audience in mind youre just straight up denying reality
yeah at least half the placements in that tier list are delusional
it also provides the perfect glimpse into the problem i was just talking about
putting YSG and vivian into the same waifu/gf slop tier is correct
but the added caveat of "vivian makes sense" triggers the fuck out of me
"Vivian makes sense tho" is really funny
YSG development >>>> vivian
Its one of those watsonian explanzion for a doylist question things thats just always hilarious
- caveat: neither are particularly good
i will say that one thing i appreciate about vivian is that they sort of develop her in reverse
she starts as a complete fangirl who worships the proxy and thinks they are literally perfect
but her trust events slowly bring her back down to earth
usually it's the other way round where the trust events do all but sign the marriage certificate lol
Like someone saying "quiet metal gear always being basically naked shows exactly what quthors intent was" and then the counterargument being "yeah but you see she breathes through her skin, so she needs to show as muh skin as possible akshually" and its like.... who do you think decided that
these people have never heard of a concept called "lampshading"
well
just because it's explained in-universe doesn't mean it wasn't contrived by the author to be that way
I think it's interesting to explore concepts like that and tie them into overarching themes
if they expanded on quiet feeling forced to be almost naked all the time every second of every day and tied that into objectification of women that'd be cool
but kojima was just gooning
When is he ever not tbf
when he came up with Norman Reedus carrying a baby
I thank God every day that Cygames writing teams are woke
canonically trans and gay characters yippeeee
a shame what happened to cygames
you mean the AI team?
yea
I'm hoping they'll backpedal
surely
Cygames made my favorite gachas of all time and some of my favorite settings and stories of all time (Umamusume, GBF, Dragalia) so I'm holding out until it's truly over
no but there's like zero heterosexual explanation for daitaku helios
Oh I mean yeah both she and Ruby are definitely gay
I was just trying to remember if there was any that we knew that was trans
oh right, theres no new banner this week, is there?
nope
i saw somewhere that it was only season 2 that it released 3 banners
oh geez im already at level 90 on the bp and i havent even truly grinded md this season since im waiting for md7
Where are the kit leaks for WuWa >:[
I wanna see if I have to luck out on getting Aemeath and Luuk or if I can pull for a signature 😔
If hes a Kamen Rider Im gonna pull him 
nikke patch notes released
no mention of new favorite items
oh yeah i forgot to mention that when i read them this morning
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
show us the treasure, shift up
Yes but also no, because there’s a solid dozen different girls who’ve each had noncanon can’t refuse romance teasers in their fate episodes that never actually commit for the sake of people who don’t want to romance said character
I’m only up to 30 
and then one of the ones who actually does commit is like 12
correction, 15
not much better lol
zodiacs are a veritable russian roulette of "this character is 20" or "this character is 10" with not much in-between
fgo jp spoilers technically
||https://vxtwitter.com/InKDexpereince/status/2008857307216797975||
||hollow ataraxia mentioned||
oh whoops didnt know durin story was time gated
i have been super busy with work
what bullshit is this
so true dante
Project Moon Brasil
Meme is in spanish
should rebrand to pjmlatam
the meme has to be in spanish, it would still be so even if it was pjmenglish
true
no way i was missing this skin
realized i forgot to do overclock yesterday though, rip
nikke hard mode ||not much to say other than cecil confirming the counters are en route to eden, so seems likely chapter 43 will pick up there||
||Are chapters 43 and 44 are slated for February?||
||counters without neon and likely still without anis||
@rapid bough @idle grove 3% hp off killing the boss fml
anyone here I should really secure
considering springing for Arcana for the waifu pull
bunny ade is the best tetra b2 for tower
t.vesti is cracked for PvP and highkey very good in elysion tower too
arcana is more than waifu too though, she's meta for electric weak solo raids w/ isabel
you'll want her eventually
so your pick should be one of those 3 but any of them make sense
The new WuWa character be like
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Faceboo...
wowee the step-up pulls gave me a gold
thank you pulls
wait I actually needed a Bay dupe for favorite item
thank you pulls
poggee limit break Helm
hmm
I have a bunch of standard pulls leftover
tomorrow I'll cash them in
then make my selector decision
i have a ton of standard pulls that i should probably ever use
i'm used to saving them so i can skip banners and just pull when the associated nikkes enter the standard pool
but tbh i might stop skipping banners
i have enough savings that i can basically pull for whatever i want and slowly build mileage for annis
gottem
rapi comp far and away outdamaged snow bc it actually survived the whole fight
team survival aside, snow is, as one would expect, a monster here
also my lb0 bready outdamaged my mlb quency, so she has that going for her
jesus christ my anti-water roster is dire, so many units to invest in
feel like i need all of bready, phantom, and treasure viper at least somewhat functional to get something close to optimal for this fight
very happy there's no more cooldown on the tuner plus nontuner machine
so I can swap out units per solo raid
you know you don't need to have them in the synchro machine for the challenge stage right
it makes tracking them in the nikke menu easier
use the search bar lol
tbh I'm gonna largely copy the rosters I saw someone else put up in another server
I've got a pretty strong water roster
the sacred solo raid texts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1zE11XTPotgn9XhhhvxCvUu-ZeaWlGUQgwG8wg1Gtf0g/htmlview?pli=1
I'm lacking treasure Miranda and Tove
which is pretty bad
but I'll find a way
but I'll do it tomorrow
not feeling it tonight
holy fuck treasure viper is absolutely bankrupting my doll maintenance mats
how very viper of her
300 blue and 200 purple mats down the drain and it's only level 8 SR
leveling her doll is easily the unluckiest i have ever gotten leveling any doll
this is honestly insane
are you going for Treasure 2 or 3
3 because i don't care about her for pvp
R1 -> SR15 (+treasure) took me 300+ blue mats, 200+ purple mats, and 70 orange mats
i lost count of how many 20-30% super success rolls i failed along the way
fucking rip my stockpile
favorite item viper
woudl be nice if i could ever get one. more. dupe. of her at some point
also i don't have as much gear exp as i'd like so i had to compromise on some of mine
esp since i def want something of a stash for whoever i take with my ny selector
still haven't decided if i'm going ade, vesti, or soline, tho realistically it won't be soline
ade i just like a lot more, but vesti would be a big help for elysion tower
i don't push really high deficit so she's not as useful to me for that, tho
soline woudl be good to actually let my sg team survive beyond 30 seconds or so into the fight
problem is i don't like her that much and the others are also good meta picks for one thing or another
yeah i'm gonna need to practice a lot with this fight tomorrow
timing burst well seems extremely important
and there's so much to micromanage to avoid dying if you have mediocre/no healer
OK we finally got some WuWa leaks
Aemeath is both tune break and Fusion Burst, apparently the two are separate playstyles
So Chisa and Lynae work
Still no Luuk Leaks tho

hrm alright
Kiramael
i do not know who this creature is
damn someone called it and it does fit
hoping she comes with hong lucio
merlin
Maestro!
Alright genshitters, who should I summon for, for lunar patch
do you have lauma or ineffa?
if so its columbina
not close
ineffa/columbina are the biggest wheelchair by far
and lauma/columbina/nefer/x will probably be the strongest team going forward with flins/ineffa/columbina/sucrose
good, but worse than flins and nefer's full teams
but she lacks her own ineffa/lauma
more or less
her damage is not that bad? but she has basically 2 totally open slots that arent filled by anyone
illuga is the worst 4 star released in a few years even at c6
c6 gorou is also not amazing for zibia
so its her + columbina and... 2 others
chiori/xilonen (c2)/albedo/illuga (just there)/gorou all work as the 2nd geo
and then it can be any of furina, yelan, aiono (ig???), ineffa (needs to be careful with hydro app and electro app), or your favorite other character can slot last
i forgot zhong li
he works ig
shes basically waiting on a geo
geo ineffa or lauma
bamboo-hatted HIM will solo the middle
alright reached a point where all my solo raid teams can at least make it to the end without dying if i don't fuck up lol
testing and learning is done, time to lock in since i'm worried about my top 3% placement this time around
cashed in a bunch of leveling mats
made a big push
I'm actually out of skill book mats
also ate into my element book selectors
was able to level almost everyone up to recommended
fell a little short for the last two
hmm
I haven't cashed in any of my four additional bonus recruits
thank you standard banner
makes my selector choice a little easier
blessed
There's no immediate source of skill books other than real money shop
Unfortunate
my choice is still really between ade or vesti
is the selector permanent?
bc if it is i have a plan
ye
but it doesn't update year over year
then i dump my ordinary tickets, not get any snow dupes, and see if i can hit one of the two
accidentally clicked through the ranking screen out of habit
squads
i was most surprised by maids + SBS/liberalio
no main water DPS and it still went off lol
did almost as much as SG team with s.doro
that boss was fun, tbh shift up is getting better at boss design
older boss "challenge" was just needing a healer to brute force through insanely high damage
boss "challenge" around the middle of the game's lifespan was just super gimmicky/annoying mechanics you need very specific party comps to beat (whale, mirror container)
but i feel like the bosses they've released in the last half-year or so have rewarded just getting good at proper cover/burst timing
lots of damage that you can dodge or mitigate with skill; enough damage that healers are still useful especially to recover when your play isn't perfect, but they're not strictly necessary anymore
nikke doesn't have a particularly deep combat system but i can at least appreciate they're getting better at making it interesting and interactive
Saw Strange Fake episode 2
So goooooooood
Rofl at how Assassin won't hold her "Master's" hand even in the ED
You know its very funny that we discuss all the fate stuff here but that ones definitely purely #anime_and_manga talk, no?

In my defense discussing Fate outside of this channel has a 50% chance of starting a defensive battle
But yeah
I will pivot next week
I know why youre doing it (since i do the same thing) and im also not a mod i just figured this one we should probably actually do in the proper chat for once
i guess genshin gets to live if i manage to pull meta in like 30 pulls
Oh they’re really switching it up
honestly feel like I did better than expected
unfortunately the Bready team fell apart because I couldn't kill the first tentacle in time
also Mihara somehow got the Liberalio buff even though her ATK is way higher but that didn't matter in the end
oh lol
Oh youre close to meeting my favourite project moon character
Points to you if you can gues who it is
well it was going to happen at some point
thanks molds....
thank you new years' selector

jia mu's #1 fan
Even moreso than the old fisherman...
(Just to be clear, while i think shes well written, jia mu doednt even make the top 20)
i did play some more ruina and it further reinforces my love of chesed as my #1
Even more than the indigoat elder yes
is it ||binah||
Yea
though i def think having met heath and faust impacted my love of them enough where i do put them over moses and vespa after finishing dd. maybe i'd say its for me atm, chesed > vergilius >= faust >= heathcliff > roland >=angela > moses > vespa
its hard to pick a definitive list tho
I have one condition in order for me to come back to limbus
||that gay grandpa shows up again||
Angela, roland, verg and heath are def up there for me
cant say i dislike many characters as a whole tho
There are def charcaters who feel like nothingburgers
there are some that of course are hated bc the story/writing wants u to
But i dont think theres one i can pin down as "badly written"
for sure, though i def see a fair few of them as purely worldbuilding and honestly, i do like how limbus has handled a lot of them making use of them in the future
ie: pilot, who still shows up and gets mentioned after the fact
they dont need to do so but its nice either for worldbuilding/lore, or just to further liven up the city and sometimes we even see them again
Immtalking more like
Sasha
Or camille
They feel a bit like waste of potential but they arent written poorly
i do think camille served his purpose rather well even tho they could have expanded upon him more
for me it's Yi Sang, ||Ayin||, Roland, ||Hokmuah||, and Angela
Is this their way of saying go play samurai remnant
That is the purpose of this entire collab, yes lol
i thought the purpose of the collab was to give people a bedivere substitute
You're thinking with the wrong half of your Doylist brain, Argor
Not the gameplay but the loooooore
well scarlet just got fucked
label s2 lmao
just casual 70% damage reduction from electric enemies
no big deal
tldr looks kinda whatever in pve at a glance, but a monster in arena
saying fuck you to scarlet, s anis, cindy, is kinda useful
they gonna make me run a second team in rookie arena
Okay call me living under a rock and not paying attention (valid tbf) I didnt know columbina was a harbinger
I have longed zoned out of genshin story
scarlet arena defense teams in shambles rip
~7hrs til solo raid end and my placement is at 2.61% now 
gonna be a close call
AKA they won't do it now but don't want to bind themselves into saying they'll never do it lest people reference this message then

so what is the studio for
Who knows
i hope that game has better writing than this event lol
Basically it is a "We opened a branch for AI cause it'd be dumb not to, we don't have current plans to implement it in the games but if the technology becomes better and isn't in the hate gaze, we'd consider to implement solutions using AI to solve most of our problems."
So in shorter version, they opened a branch cause if they happen to make dealings in AI, they can also profit from that. Shareholdings, researching and all that.
I saw this comment which is basically the most optimistic way to look at it under current circumstances
Random AF deep cut, paired with Kimaris Vidar to give the banner some extra value
But that map effect seems pretty viable too though, which will also give people a reason to pull for it
||holy shit they made the depiction of what happened to Olga like actually awful to read through, I feel so bad for her||
"without prior notice"
the obvious pessimistic take is "so as long as they say so in advance, they can use gen ai on whatever"
why is ||marisbusy|| kinda cute
||fall not into temptation||
I accidentally spelled his name like that I'm so screwed
I hope you can summon him
at some point
if we can summon him then I'm burning him to a rare prism
what is your ISSUE
literally everything he's done lmao
me accidentally calling him ||maris-bussy|| is the most freudian slip thing I've ever done
like I don't know he may be griffith 2.0 but this is an insanely pretty character to put in your game
and yes I am being hypocritical because I also like dubious characters but I actually wish the worst for him
we don't have any high quality versions of his portrait so I can't open get over to his face
alright, final predictions:
||everybody gets separated again||
||kim claims the bones of the MIDdle||
||alyssa tries to self-sacrifice and hohenheim manifests ego||
||The Blade That Cuts Through All was intended to cleave open the gates of hell||
||the safe did not in fact function as intended and araya spent Too Long in there||
||araya is wearing the dihui star id, good old n corp mirror tech makes its return once again||
||ryoshu severs araya from the identity and saves her but burns away the memories of her in the process||
||demian shows up, adopts araya, and thanks us for the picture of Heishou Pack Wei Branch Don Quixote||
||verg adopts the apprentices for the second orphanage||
Even the little bit I've heard has me inclined to agree
oc4 spoilers but this is a perfect meme
https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/1qcqeaf/felt_like_i_had_to_make_this/
wait it got removed lmao
dang dropped from 6.97% to 10.35%
based
if you have lauma/nefer you dont really need ineffa
but yeah ineffa is the big wheelchair now
i wanna not think
i just wanna brain off
gacha making me having to think not letting me have a power trip
badge

yeah but i have flints so i kinda should
wonder what varka does
hes claymore and dual wields them
and one side he infuses anemo, the other he infuses with another element
why cant the traveller do that it's not fair
so like he's kinda like yeehaw gungirl
more focused on anemo + the 2nd element
oh btw is the new artifact domain for columbina
yes and no
like yes
but also
the last domain has 2 sets that can work on columbina too
and you'll probably want a set for her on all 3
wait wha
if you on field columbina, she has a clear front-runner set
if she's played with ineffa/flins, she has another
if she's played in lauma/nefer, she has a 3rd
outside of this, she has totm
totm is by far the worst
but she is also a glorified aino outside of flins/nefer/ineffa/zibai
and lauma
fwiw she doesnt need a ton of substats
though the fact is that her weapon also changes per team lol
proto amber is great, in lauma/nefer can be optimal
for flins/ineffa, she may be contributing a good portion of damage so sac jade gets beter
*better
but since she will likely be solo hydro, er weapons are good too so sac is good
if she on fields, she sacs
no she doesnt heal naturally
for zibai, she'll be a big damage contributor
so she needs a damage weapon
she has a crit rate ascension
so
thats easier for her with non-crit rate weapons
to get a good ratio
otherwise, she wants hp and er
hp/hp/crit or er/hp/crit
gotcha thanks
skill and talent level to max of course
her normals are worthless even if she on fields
nice nice
unfathomably based
all it takes
i haven't logged on today but i know i'm out of top 10% bc skipper wasn't
so i'm coping for 15
damn I just missed the cutoff
didn't realize there was a threshold at 10%
did you score worse than I did?
ye
i did one real run and decided that was fine, mainly bc i didn't want to put too many mats into like, phantom or whatever
poggers one run and done let's goooo
gonna have to coast on the next three solo raids tho lamo
at least I was largely investing into good units
this is the last of the runs i did so that total is my final
i overloaded phantom and of course got viper her treasure + overloads
i didn't end up using phantom so that was a waste
viper... idk
i'm 1lb off of viper fi lol
yi sang's trichilocosm is burn sinking!?
holy shit the burn/sinking ryoshu seasonal id is so fucking real
nevermind ryoshu is pure burn
burn bleed
hmmm
burn sinking is crazy
burn sinking is pretty crazy for yi sang
oh fuck
anyone who has the paid bp, dont check the announcer basically at all
pretty massive spoiler for canto 9
I can't even get in yet bc steam is killing itself 
oh im on my phone
thats why hes bamboo-hatted HIM
oh steam is finally updating
a single id and its primarily poise based...
watch ou
out
turns out? its poise season
index ids? poise
udjat? outlier trinking
middle ish? my bets will be peed (poise bleed)
Canto 8 ||I'm loving Lin Daiyu and I can feel in my gut that she's not gonna survive this canto||
||all these flashbacks are just increasing the dread||
||daiyu is great yeah her characterization is good for hong lu.||
9-37 ||NO YOU CAN'T DO THIS||
||HOHENHEIM MANIFEST YOUR EGO||
it's unfortunate that I have to actually get up at a reasonable time tomorrow and can't just plow through the whole thing tonight
i have tomorrow off. i will plow through
@rapid bough GFL1 got a new event and this was part of it apparently
Canto 8* ||gfdi Lin Daiyu is the Drifting Blade of Hongyuan isn't she. I should've grabbed that ID when I had the chance...!||
canto 8 you mean
||and yes and no. you'll see. since she has bits of another character.||
9-39 ||god im still not sure what to think about rien. this chapter should paint the final picture but im sure theres something truly fucked about him.||
finally able to play ae's ff9 collab
so far (not too far into it) it's very much a recreation of the original ff9 plot, as much as it can be when the game needs to substitute some of its original characters
the prologue is the entire ||kidnapping the princess bit||, first chapter is the ||escape and fights against black waltzes||
||aldo is a substitute for cinna, cyrus is also in here, and amy is back in their original world unaware that the two have been yeeted||
||some things have been altered, like the whole forest petrification thing doesn't seem to have happened||
||also dagger is using cyrus as a role model lmao||
||dali underground is the first real divergence point, with synth humans (an another eden species) showing up there for some fucking reason||
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@mortal iron @summer hornet Kimaris Vidar Owo
Nikke maintenance over
time to get an event run in before bed
not so beta anymore, I guess
just kidding
||they didn't want to add freya so they burned down lindblum rip||
Canto 8 ||Hong Lu's Grandma is racheting up my list of most vehemently despised characters. Obviously that's the point, and I've heard that the PM writer has a... Tumultuous history with his own mom. But still, JFC that was horrific. Literally only Lin Daiyu and Jia Qiu survived||
||she is so incredibly smart too. using the head that way. its literally tantamount to using god for your own gain and getting away with it. god even compliments you for it too.||
I see
I have been deceived
||Faust literally said it was the first ever instance of someone using the Head's rules to get their way like that||
||when they were saying she was the smartest of them all, they meant it.... But she's also seeming awful and petty and immoral from here||
||thats the toxicity of the hongyuan family of course||
9-42 ||GREEEEEEEEEEEGOR OH MY GOD HES REALIZING HIS POTENTIAL?? YET ITS NOT ALL TOO HAPPY FOR HIM!? HE MAY DISTORT OH MY GOD||
ahh
9-43 ||this canto is so fucking peak holy fucking shit sinclair.||
9-43 ||RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SINCLAIR HOLY SHIT||
THIS ISNT EVEN THE END OF THE CANTO
9-44 ||pure fucking cinema. vespa and moses are so fucking cool when working together||
9-45 ||holllllllllllly shit greegor aahhhhhhhhhhhhh||
9-45 ||i actually lost cus verg died holy shit.|| guess i'll finish the canto tomorrow ultimately
man...
||seeing Mashu cry has to be the worst part so far||
first time in a while i decide to pull on a non-limited banner simply because i have no real reason to save atp and of course it takes nearly 100 pulls (i went 70 without seeing a single SSR too)
random gregor apology form on the tl
Oh right, the new part of the canto is out, isnt it?
yup
@digital marlin got an early 5* (like within 9 rolls) while pulling on Mornye for fun
... its him again
At least I have a guarantee for Aemeath?
thats what i said
||he is really damn strong. stronger than his level suggests.||
Yeah, I noticed that for sure
||sinclair massive upscale||
||also fun to note that the sign can pull from the future.||
||at least his own sign can||
also i need a hit of whatever they feed studio eim
this whole canto's sountrack? banger after banger
literally
||slight spoilers, this boss fight can absolutely be tough. vergilius can die for it. clash his green coin or verg will lose||
I just saw the craziest limbus spoiler on my TL
yeah this was it
||massive sinclair upscale||
9-42 ||jesus christ I wasn't expecting that||
43 ||FUTURE SIGN???? SHIN?????? THE SECOND SMOKE WAR????????||
||why does sinclair's face look different||
Getting it early is good at the least
Yeah
Means I might be able to get Luuk too, or her signature
But I swear Ive got him at S4 now
Meanwhile Calcharo is S0 >:[
does this imply sinclair is ||a kid because I've never seen an adult whose bone structure could change like that||
||hes 21 so he still has some growth in him||
||sinclair is called the green deliverance. he literally gets a nod as a future color||
||it is just a theoretical future keep in mind. this sinclair probs has a ton of body augmentations since, as mentioned, he is being nodded as a possible color fixer the green deliverance.||

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