tho probably not using since no build on her
#Gacha Chat
toxic cloud
Ah okay it was this but yeah he should be well liked enough
I got uh, summer meluko from the new years gee ess ess are
old galleon
congrats on your new arts looper
lusty egret
So G Eternal has Space Oomfie model but it's unavailable to recruit
I thought she would be available after WfM season 2 campaign
mental acorn
canto 9
sharp swan
Pot of greed
https://youtu.be/LCrrld7cD6A?si=UlEi2P6XVW8tn70y
silver osprey
slow raft
Canto 9 spoilers ||https://www.rxddit.com/r/Project_Moon/comments/1q2uxpo/what_t...
it might legitimately be a rashomon reference, if you remember who the euthor of that is
pastel bear
THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY
wispy goblet
ZZZ QINGMING EVENT SPOILERS
||I think I was just proposed to.||
rapid bough
so chat, when we gonna do a yugioh discord ZZZ co-op session
wispy goblet
okay but actually
there are some achievement for semi-specific team comps
actually perhaps not
I think I misunderstood one of the quests
rapid bough
my miyabi clear was so undercooked
what investment levels are your various teams at? these scores blow mine out of the water (except miyabi which you admit was scuffed)
wispy goblet
nevertheless
perhaps some time tonight
runic ether
what investment levels are your various teams at? these scores blow mine out of ...
godscup has mentioned spending to around m1-2 and w1 on his faves or more
rapid bough
i know, that's partly why i ask
since i expect he's got mindscapes/sigs but i don't know which
rapid bough
the apparent EN VA for shunguang posted on the ZZZ subreddit asking for advice on her journey to pull her
through this post i learned she is also the EN VA for rouge and biscuit in nikke
she kills it wherever she goes
runic ether
i havent liked some of her voice lines out of combat but her in-combat stuff has been really strong
rapid bough
i thought her voicework in the story was really good, and agree her in-combat work is good too
most of the EN VAs have done a great job though, i think the only ones that have stood out to me as awkward at times are yixuan on release (she's gotten a lot better over time though) and yuzuha
oh and some of the recast agents like s11 and koleda, but it's hard to separate that from the fact that i was used to their old voices
versed pawn
Pot of greed
https://youtu.be/LCrrld7cD6A?si=UlEi2P6XVW8tn70y
heay they havent fixed infinite loops again
rapid bough
decided to go back and finish threshold sim since it's ending after this patch
so close to 500k... it calls to me
but honestly not sure where i could extract the extra 8k, feel like i've pushed most of the fights as well as i realistically can without sitting and optimizing for hours straight
what sucks is i kinda don't have an "optimal" party for any of the last node bosses
slow raft
X
rapid bough
no obol for defiler, no yidhari for wandering hunter, no alice for miasmic fiend...
wispy goblet
you could try Evelyn for Defiler or Hunter
rapid bough
evelyn is what i used for defiler when i first did threshold sim and got like 70k lol
and i highly doubt she'll be better than yixuan for hunter
one of the buffs for hunter is insanely good for yixuan
meanwhile the ATK buff is shit for eve
hunter is actually the one i got the highest score on
got like 85k with YSG on defiler, 100k on fiend with jane/vivi, and 118k with yixuan on hunter
i feel like optimal teams can get 140k+ though, since that's around what i got on stage 3 priest with yixuan (which also has a 2.8x multi)
guess i can come back later in the patch after i get sanby and see how sanby/trigger/astra does on defiler
slow raft
X
rapid bough
as i re-equip jane's swimsuit skin, a thought occurs to me
mono-phys has an all swimsuit theme 
runic ether
even if you swap jane for vivi with alice, you still have all-swimsuit
also, speaking of skins
pan's skin is fucking insane
why is that skin so much higher effort than jane's and manato's
wispy goblet
The SUPREME on the wok-hat really ties it together
runic ether
also a new hair style too
rapid bough
why is that skin so much higher effort than jane's and manato's
there's no chance of this given he's an A rank who's probably nowhere close to the top in popularity, but watch it be paid lol
wispy goblet
leaks suggest it'll be free
rapid bough
common sense suggests it'll be free
would just be funny if they randomly release a pristine paid skin for him
runic ether
supreme collab with zzz would be insane
summer hornet
I thought she would be available after WfM season 2 campaign
Watch her be an event pilot half a year from now lol
wispy goblet
Man this patch has a ton of story content. Main story, the side story event, and the co-op event too....
rapid bough
broke 40k 
i'm realizing that there's a "fit everything into stun window" mental block i need to overcome with YSG
since her "stun window" is just being in qingming state
so her gameplay is actually to just do whatever's necessary to get her into EM as much as possible
mental acorn
astral drift
X
slow raft
silver osprey
My favourite greek character in arknights
The childhood friend of the egyptian princess
rapid bough
she do be bringing the heavy arms
mental acorn
Kuroboshi?
old galleon
by far the most advanced scam i've ever encountered, well played moran
rapid bough
head empty
old galleon
saw the double gold, coped that maybe i got the 1/16 double snow, instead i got the 1/whatever the fuck this is double moran
rapid bough
didn't you say you already got snow?
old galleon
correct
i yolo'd to see if a dupe would bless me with her presence
well, a dupe did bless me
just not the right one
rapid bough
old galleon
i'm just saying if it had to give me tetra spooks, the least it could have done is give me bunny ade
still missing her, sadly
rapid bough
she will come home eventually
old galleon
goddess willing
versed pawn
allready jinxed
glossy latch
Well yesnt
Its better
... Im just shy of 100% CR now though
94.6 over 147.6
Eh good enough for now
rapid bough
damn the top-end fire units are all really close, kinda cool tbh
also always appreciate an opportunity to use s.rosanna
slow raft
X
runic ether
hes such a funny guy
rapid bough
why does shunguang have chinese voicelines in the co-op event lol
i notice that most characters seem to have new voicelines specifically for co-op mechanics like the chain ult stuff
but seems like shunguang's are in chinese
runic ether
shes at a very chinese moment in her life
rapid bough
i'm reminded of that brief moment in the 2.0 story right after yixuan and the proxy get to waifei and yixuan talks to some local guy in chinese
and the proxy is like "uhh what was that" and yixuan hits him with the "dwai just a local dialect"
and then it is literally never used or mentioned again
guess she was right, we indeed did not need to worry about it
rapid bough
not surprising, i doubt her EN VA is fluent in it lol
rapid bough
might be why they never went back to it, too hard to do properly across multiple languages/VAs
runic ether
mhm
multiple va's get asked to speak a bit of cantonese
and suddenly they have to recast someone cus they accidentally said something wrong
runic ether
it was kind of a fat 3 turn
wispy goblet
Starting the co-op story
runic ether
stopped at floor 10 only cus i never saw wealth but god damn i love this id for ryoshu
its one of the most fun ids in the game with the full stop duo and then index faust was also incredible in this team but she was like a whole 7k points below this trio
slow raft
Canto 8 spoilers
||https://vxtwitter.com/atlaszoidac/status/2007372667566120969
https://vxtwitter.com/atlaszoidac/status/2007716262898741625||
rapid bough
i didn't go through two decades of school to get assigned homework for my gacha games
wispy goblet
Next shiyu looking rough for me
Room 2 wants Fire or Electric Anomaly
I don't have either built
wispy goblet
runic ether
glossy latch
Sett looks different than I remember
summer hornet
Ricardo appearing in League of Legends would be funny af
runic ether
"thought you could run to demacia to escape the middle's wrath? think again bud!"
wispy goblet
Our Americas ZZZ outpost has leveled up enough to get 10 more slots
if you're looking to join now is an easy time
old galleon
with gbf reset in about an hour will come the guaranteed 200 roulette (granted it's on a standard 3% banner)
wispy goblet
these discs are not leveling the way I would like
digital marlin
these discs are not leveling the way I would like
glossy latch
Many such cases yes
rapid bough
these discs are not leveling the way I would like
wispy goblet
thankfully I have a pretty decent bank
and at this point it's about maximizing
I'm looking at minimum 3,348 ATK on Astra
trying to make it to 3,429
but I need three out of three more rolls to go my way
copper steppe
are discs the equivalent to relics
glossy latch
Aye
copper steppe
i fucking hate relics so much i want to kill the man who invented them
i remember getting one with like 3 good substats then all stat ups went to the only one i didn’t need it
i turned my computer off and went to sleep
slow raft
i fucking hate relics so much i want to kill the man who invented them
You cant, hitler already shot himself
Actual devils creation
copper steppe
i will revive him so i can kill him again, then do it another time to be certain
slow raft
I dont think ive seen a single player ever who had a positive opinion on relic systems
old galleon
alrighty, hopefully the 200 give me something useful
ideal targets include earth olivia and ragazzo
pastel bear
I dont think ive seen a single player ever who had a positive opinion on relic s...
I think relics are super cool and interesting when they're not tied to gacha
when they are though...
old galleon
alrighty, hopefully the 200 give me something useful
absolutely the fuck not lmao
i got a total of 3 ssr across the entire 200
2 gold moons and ippatsu (who isn't that great)
including the super break
summer hornet
wispy goblet
minor co-op spoilers
||https://fixupx.com/TimelySeed/status/2007822240688255046||
runic ether
man im truly lost in the limbus sauce i was 100% expecting ricardo's intro theme to be playing
mental acorn
i see people are liking the sinking ids
silver osprey
The half life cult is spreading
mental acorn
I fucking love this kind of posting
runic ether
the "burn" season
looks inside
sinking ids
versed pawn
I just remembered I have some pretty banger pieces on the seed set
And I can throw them on soldier 11 
Should have like 75:180 cr ratio with 3800 atk now
Once I upgrade all modules
slow raft
X
I was gonna say "haha, how is this even a conversation, everyone knows they are nonbinary" but then not 5 minutes later i saw someone insist on male pronouns so
https://x.com/Koi_Boruto/status/2007653302302032223
X
silver osprey
Twitter moment
mental acorn
his pronouns are they/them
paper spoke
Totally a localisation error, guise 
runic ether
saber fate 🤝 dante limbus 🤝 kris deltarune
being misgendered
do we have an iori going "his pronouns are they/them" image or are fate fans behind on meme trends
slow raft
Totally a localisation error, guise <:copium:901139245056528444>
the funny thing is that fgo characters literally have gender as a gameplay relveant stat
slow raft
do we have an iori going "his pronouns are they/them" image or are fate fans beh...
for theyber? idt so
there might be one for enkidu
gilgamesh seems like the kinda mf to say that shit
runic ether
i feel like gil wouldnt argue he'd just proceed to throw hands (or nps) immediately
but the vibe i get from iori (i gotta get back to finish samurai remnant) does give me the "would argue"
slow raft
gil would say "his pronouns are them/them" and in the same moment launch a spear throiugh the other persons head
Yknow looking at this list im p sure theres actually a few of these that arent enby
Like taira, maou nobu, enkidu, takeru and d'eon im certain are, but im uncertai of the rest
old galleon
iirc a few of those are male in female-presenting body or something like that
slow raft
Sugitani is likely only on here cause of this line
old galleon
game treats them as unknown
slow raft
Dioscuri is the ol "they them cause im literally two servants"
long tree
"Are you man or woman"
Enkidu: "chains"
No I mean what gender are you
Enkidu: "chains"
No like whats in your pants
Enkidu: "clay"
old galleon
s okita alter also has rengoku
slow raft
Oh, alter ego shenanigans might also be why douman is on here
old galleon
the rengoku one is probably where og okita alter's on there too
as for douman i have no idea
long tree
Isn't douman just however douman feels
slow raft
Shi huang di is probably just ascended beyond the concept of gender
old galleon
"are you man or woman"
qsh: china
long tree
"are you man or woman"
qsh: china
Qsh: "immortal ascended heavenly tier of the outer realms sect level 3"
slow raft
as for douman i have no idea
I think its literally just cause hes fused with a goddess
long tree
Romulus I forgot to ask what are your pronouns
"GLORY/ROMA"
"I HAVE ALSO DECIDED THOSE ARE YOUR PRONOUNS TOO!"
old galleon
gameplay/story integration
slow raft
Mysterious ranmaru Xs pronouns are apparently "ranmaru/ranmarus" going from the biography
old galleon
that sounds fitting of ranmaru
slow raft
Man, msr music is so good
Dormant craving and thorns in you both came up randomly while i was listening to music on spotify earlier and those songs just fuck
wispy goblet
okay
my Astra should be at 3,428 ATK
her buff maxes out at... 3,429 ATK
summer hornet
Man, msr music is so good
Been a long time, been a long time on my own... Break the family ties to build a home...!
I've been listening to Go My Way and Still the Same a lot lately lmao
mental acorn
dormant craving mentioned
timber sigil
i didn't go through two decades of school to get assigned homework for my gacha ...
better start playing Codename Bakery boi
slow raft
summer hornet
Seriously what is with the glitching
pastel bear
you guys weren't there for the mersault canto 6 theorizing
summer hornet
slow raft
im gonna fae lantern myself man, this crit achievement is taking so fucking long
i just had all but one coin crit on the first turn but then yi sang just decided not to
slow raft
its actually so bleak man
pastel bear
part of why I've been so unmotivated to play limbus
it's also because I can't migrate my account to my new steam account
runic ether
Seriously what is with the glitching
she might have ego and her kit may be a spoiler for a canto 9 part 2 enemy and they dont want us to know exactly what it would be yet
mental acorn
The Great Magicked Beeper Knoweth Her Desire!
wispy goblet
silver osprey
she might have ego and her kit may be a spoiler for a canto 9 part 2 enemy and t...
I think it's pretty much confirmed by now
Her kit even shows the prescript III requiring you to pop an ego or redacted
glossy latch
Is that a gun saber?
slow raft
X
wispy goblet
the non-farming commissions cost no energy
but give everyone a small amount of rewards
I should be maxing those out per week
just kidding you post them once and then they expire
idle grove
yeah we got that one for summer
slow raft
X
rapid bough
you got her costume i see, based
it's good but i think i actually prefer her base design
vernal snow
https://vxtwitter.com/5Termina5/status/2008105017874751545
i don't think so actually
they didnt say they fixed the issue
just "addressed"
what i think might've happened is those screens might've been intended to replace the ones we got after a certain milestone into the canto
but project moon coding fucked it up and we got em immediately
vernal snow
what i think might've happened is those screens might've been intended to replac...
this would be kind of a canto 6 spoilers ||wild hunt heathcliff uptie story before and after cathy|| situation
mental acorn
they didnt say they fixed the issue
vernal snow
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
versed pawn
+48cdmg from when i have all the potentials unlocked
rapid bough
I wish there was a costume randomizer/cycling feature
i have wanted this in literally every game i've ever played that has cosmetic customization for characters
sadly it never exists
astral drift
X
summer hornet
A parade of elephants https://x.com/RedMantledHero/status/2008091298071482678
X
They demand to be addressed
wispy goblet
NIKKE EVENT STORY SPOILERS
||Maybe I'm misremembering, but this event massively recontextualizes the Goddess Squad being locked out, right? It changes from "we expected to be let in but we were betrayed" to "we took actions that put us at risk of being locked out, but hoped our reputation would get us in anyway"?||
rapid bough
||so far yes, though "hoping our reptuation would get us in" is basically "expected to be let in but were betrayed" from their POV||
||i haven't finished story 2, but as it stands it sounds like LC and lilith were going to grease some palms to secure future entry. we still don't know how that plays out||
refresh reddit
literal wall of nikke event spoilers (thankfully marked)
oh brother this'll be a tough 2 days
as always, i get why they let people buy extra event stage attempts, but god i wish they didn't or at the very least disabled it for at least 3 resets (enough to do all story stages)
it sucks that i can never know whether a story post is only about that day's stages or whether it's from someone who bought extra attempts and shot to the end
rapid bough
jesus that ether 8 YSG clear was truly braindead
with the adrenaline resonia and dialyn/zhao's artifacts to give huge DEF and attribute RES shred, it was literally "activate EM state -> left click combo to do half of boss's HP -> end EM state, immediately re-enter with dialyn -> repeat, boss dead"
wispy goblet
NIKKE EVENT ENDGAME SPOILERS
||Ahh, they were still told they would open an emergency door for them in the end.||
rapid bough
don't think i'll be clicking that, no siree
wispy goblet
NIKKE EVENT ENDGAME SPOILERS
||He's just a fan.||
rapid bough
rude
runic ether
having things in common with an anime character is not usually a good sign
slow raft
Actually, me saying shirou emiya is just like me is a very good sign, i think youll find
old galleon
oh strange fake is finally airing
summer hornet
I thought it was Saturday lol. But I ain't complaining
old galleon
if you like strange fake (the anime), then i post my obligatory reminder to read strange fake (the light novel)
nikke event spoilers ||quite literally "we could make a religion out of this" the event||
wispy goblet
rapid bough
back to arpeggio fault for the patch that introduces more idol/music-themed units? hoyo thinks they're so clever
runic ether
and we saw two of the idols cuddling. hoyo i know your game
it worked with eve and astra
but can they really sell us the same patch twice?
wispy goblet
if Todd Howard can sell us Skyrim again
rapid bough
astra + eve didn't release in the same patch as arpeggio fault
pretty sure that was nagi's patch
rapid bough
my original comment was just pointing out the music theme of the arpeggio name + idols
it's a nothingburger
they definitely ain't doing the arpeggio mode again lol
that thing flopped bad enough to kill TV mode for good
wispy goblet
wispy goblet
NIKKE EVENT DAY 1 (NON)SPOILER(?)
||Does anyone else think the VTC Priestess sounds like Mai Valentine?||
glossy latch
Hsr has 4.0 Leaks now
Sparkle buffs are crazy
Might be enough to make me skip sunday after all
Dunno how I feel about the elation units
timber sigil
@rapid bough @idle grove free elite unit/free elite weapon login event mid month
timber sigil
slow raft
X
rapid bough
<@219319817688186891> <@122453664466993155> free elite unit/free elite weapon lo...
holy based
timber sigil
NAAAAAH WHAT THE FUCK
rapid bough
damn you just now finished deep oblivion? lol
aeri and i talked about it briefly up here
timber sigil
yea i've been occupied with other things recently
I skimmed Lenna's event so I got no clue what's going on with that due to it being out of order chronologically but my friend recorded all the cutscenes so I'll watch them back later
rapid bough
lenna's event mostly expands on the "fake vaccine" stuff that's mentioned as a plot point in deep oblivion
timber sigil
ah kk
glossy latch
... huh, Sparxies ult animation is so fast it kinda breaks 2* speed
Its too fast with two times
wispy goblet
just remembered
five more lobby slots
I should fill them up
wispy goblet
finally got the Vigor cube
wispy goblet
damn the trickcal memes are consuming my recommendations
rapid bough
bit the bullet and just bought 5 extra attempts to finish the nikke story, glad i did since god damn that was backloaded to the last few stages lol
||oswald continues to prove he is the fucking goat||
||though they had done everything short of literally telling us LC == andersen before now, nice to finally have it confirmed||
wispy goblet
NIKKE EVENT (NON)SPOILERS
||saving this one||
rapid bough
||it was already an overture to everything surrounding the sealing of the ark, but man this event really hammered home that VTC and the CG are the real villains of this story lmao||
||can't wait til we get the "commander against the ark" story in the present timeline||
||i see a lot of posts on the nikke subreddit screaming that the VTC priestess was pre-nikkefication nayuta... i think they're right but not in the way they think, since nayuta is clearly linked to (and was cast out by?) DEEP, which has been shown to seemingly have the same "duplicate"/"clone" ability (or something similar). that VTC priestess has an obvious connection to DEEP just on visuals alone, but i don't think she's literally nayuta||
wispy goblet
||also that particular priestess had her neck snapped lamo||
rapid bough
||yeah, but i think the theory i'm seeing is that she became a nikke after getting her neck snapped||
||we still don't really know what DEEP is, just that there are "multiple" DEEPS (uncertain whether they're all one entity or a collective), and that nayuta has a connection to them||
||and we know even less about what its purpose is and what they're up to now, besides being shady as shit||
wispy goblet
||tbh I think the resemblance to Enikk is way more on the nose||
rapid bough
||the first thing i thought when i saw the VTC priestess was "DEEP". enikk doesn't really make sense either since she's an AI, not a nikke||
||that said, pretty sure many theorize some sort of connection between DEEP and enikk too||
rapid bough
||one other unrelated thought -- seeing snow white and scarlet's mind switches in real time was pretty cool, but in retrospect, i wish the "narrator" wasn't there to explain everything snow white preserved/forgot as it happened. it would've hit a lot harder if the scene played out as mind switch (without saying it) -> reunion with goddess where she remembers them (at which point dorothy asks the mind switch question to make it clear) -> finding lilith's body, and snow white asking who she was, as the initial reveal that she had forgotten (well, reveal in the context of the event... we of course already knew she forgot lilith before goddess fall, but not necessarily exactly when)||
||also, it's becoming increasingly clear that freesia isn't just a cheap way to play up sympathy... she's going to turn out to be someone important in the present, basically guaranteed||
wispy goblet
||the popular prediction is she's one of the library keepers||
Also, ||remember Dorothy's threat to kill Oswald... or his family?||
rapid bough
||when she left at the end of goddess fall, she said she just needed a little more time... there could've been a million things she meant by that, but add another one to the pile -- has she been looking for oswald's family while in the ark?||
this expression of yanagi's gets me every time
wispy goblet
Have you finished the ZZZ co-op event
rapid bough
i literally just finished it, that's what the yanagi screenshot is from lol
toxic cloud
Was ||Oberon being genuine here? Dw I know about the vortigern twist||
rapid bough
nikke full event spoilers ||the small bit with mirror and liberalio struck me as odd initially but it just sunk in that, unless i'm tripping, it basically confirms that liberalio's assumption that the queen made her and is her "mother" is incorrect--from the very beginning, it's all been red shoes/mirror. makes you wonder how involved the queen actually is, she's looking more and more like the biggest red herring in the story||
copper steppe
Was ||Oberon being genuine here? Dw I know about the vortigern twist||
||everything oberon says is a half truth, so there’s no certain which part is genuine or a bold faced lie||
wispy goblet
nikke full event spoilers ||the small bit with mirror and liberalio struck me as...
||Defeating The Queen TM is probably going to represent the end of SuperArc I. Then the story will shift more heavily into intrigue and politicking as the arc antagonists (ha ha) switch to agents like Mirror, the CG, and VTC/DEEP.||
rapid bough
||reveal that sixo is freesia, driven to topple the CG after seeing what oswald had to deal with caused her to become an extremist||
wispy goblet
||being out of pocket for no reason||
saw a wild theory
||what if Freesia is Commander's mother||
rapid bough
||people really just be throwing anything out there huh||
||also i just realized a sad truth: we will never (and, now, should never) get playable lilliweiss because of her and andersen's mutual love confession. the NTR freaks would be insufferable||
rapid bough
man the more i think about it, i'm realizing ark guardian is probably the biggest lore drop event we've had so far
it makes so many things fall into place
obviously still plenty we don't know, but it ||really wraps up the goddess squad's entire "prequel" arc||
wispy goblet
||also i just realized a sad truth: we will never (and, now, should never) get p...
||Honestly a little bold for SU to write up a romance not involving the player character||
rapid bough
||i mean they just wrote nora's for terminus ticket lol, and she even interacted with MC commander (obviously lilith hasn't). they're not afraid of doing it||
||but it'd definitely be different in a playable lilith context, with andersen still alive (or even if he dies in whatever event gives us playable lilith, it'd be stomping over his grave to romance her)||
old galleon
||also i just realized a sad truth: we will never (and, now, should never) get p...
||watch it happen bc money, only for a large chunk of the community to riot for reasons.tm||
||but also yeah, i don't see a viable way to make her playable without people being stupid||
old galleon
||i mean they just wrote nora's for terminus ticket lol, and she even interacted...
||tbf nora is also extremely advanced in age and, notably, looks like it, so you don't get that chunk of people screaming about it||
old galleon
||but it'd definitely be different in a playable lilith context, with andersen s...
||personally, i'd be fine with playable lilith, if it made sense in the context of the story to do||
||the problem is playable lilith implies romanceable lilith, which is much less okay||
||and i don't think that those things are separable due to the nature of the beast||
rapid bough
||indeed, though there are nikkes the commander doesn't have a romantic (even implied) relationship with. unfortunately people would absolutely get weird with lilith||
old galleon
||the moment playable lilith drops and the advise sessions and bond stories are purely platonic, you know a chunk of the community would riot||
||BOND STORIES THAT FEATURE ANDERSEN INSTEAD OF US? WTF||
||unfortunately not everyone who plays this game is a reasonable human being||
rapid bough
quite
old galleon
meanwhile just had a diaspora host fail somehow lol
at least it's on free mats now but still annoying
woohoo, one (1) mat as tenacity loot
i hate it here
my host last night also almost failed
i know it's not peak diaspora hosting time (water gw isn't next) but come on
wispy goblet
wispy goblet
getting hosed on my Ye Shunguang pulls is putting a lot of pressure on my future pull plans
mortal iron
Always bet on 67
old galleon
https://x.com/exceddius/status/2008828345824280903?s=20
surprising absolutely nobody
slow raft
I wonder how theyre doing it
Feom the few people ive talked to whove completed paet 2 ive heard the sentiment that continuing the story after it would be a bit antithetical to the message of the ending or, failing that, at the least be in bad taste
glossy latch
Wait, am I understanding right that FGO basically ||went and made its ending into an endingn't||?
Like its technically ||still the ending but now there is an infinite amount of story from before the ending they can continue?||
copper steppe
Wait, am I understanding right that FGO basically ||went and made its ending int...
from what i understood the ||world itself took chaldea staff (and azrael) back in time with memories of who they were to track down a beast before something bad happens||
||since we are alaya strongest soldier and all||
slow raft
fgo jp spoiler
||https://vxtwitter.com/1TPaper/status/2008849164441198803||
astral drift
I'm here forever
idle grove
ok finally started the finale
||I love that we're just saying that we beat his ass here once so we can do it again||
rapid bough
https://fixupx.com/timelyzhaozzz/status/2008474553433866432
this is some of the gameplay of all time
wispy goblet
okay
I am predicting the 2.6 ZZZ reruns will be
Miyabi and Lighter
pastel bear
gross
wispy goblet
it is unfortunate this patch had a normal-ish number of pulls instead of above average
slow raft
The gambling gods are smiling on me, i only needed 70 pulls
Though that avenger fake out almost did me in
2nd ascension is way better, i simple cannot deal with the way raita draws breasts
mental acorn
one more rewards event before release
https://endfield.gryphline.com/activity/final-prep-orders?inviteCode=56f69ab3b35f7a0f705dec881bd12f9e
long tree
To be clear, these arent ai generated backgrounds, they ai upscaled. They just did it so shit
summer hornet
That's painful all the same, omega oof. Especially for the equivalent of an anniversary unit
summer hornet
... unrelated, redownloaded the game and got them
wispy goblet
thank you standard banner
long tree
... unrelated, redownloaded the game and got them
Ayyyy
They good as hell
The anniversary is coming soon tho so prepare accordingly
Prolly gonna be daima
pastel bear
The gambling gods are smiling on me, i only needed 70 pulls
.
astral drift
they can't keep getting away with this
https://x.com/turuturuarceus/status/2008841250309628214?s=61
BB? surely not
astral drift
slow raft
Fwiw that was almost the exact same reaction as in sam rem
https://vxtwitter.com/cyabebe/status/2008927111026037166
Brother does not care about gender
Good thing he got theyber, imagine misogynist prime shirou emiya got confronted with the concept of nonbinary people
pastel bear
imagine if prime 2013 lebron misogynist tohno shiki was confronted with the idea of nonbinary people
long tree
imagine if prime 2013 lebron misogynist tohno shiki was confronted with the idea...
"Let me know when your a woman so I ca-" okay im not actually going to finish that because I just remembered what shiki liked to threaten women with
timber sigil
silver osprey
runic ether
i dont really like fufu anyways but her and pan def look better in-game tbh
that said...
flora seed looks 1000x better
who made the call for her current fit
pink yidhari also looks way better
and it is nice to know at least that i'd never have liked shunguang's outfit
lucia also looks better with leggings
glossy latch
For me the wackest part is that Orphies design always sucked
Why did she never have pants???
runic ether
oh i didnt notice
lol
i dont mind orphie's current design as much until i see her bare ass legs
glossy latch
Well the upper half is like a good design
Its military chic which works
But then she just doesnt wear pants
Why
runic ether
it feels incomplete as hell lol
also im 1 star off full clearing anomaly arbitration hmmm
i think i can get it
with e2 lingsha i think i can probably clear the no knight difficulty
glossy latch
Im at least glad Banyue was allowed to be a good design
Even if his pile driver arms are still just a teensy bit odd
old galleon
all my pulls didn't amount to much so while i have the new year selector, it boils down to 2 or 3 options
the main ones are bunny ade and tactical vesti, with not!winter soline bringing up the rear
runic ether
astralynn ft lighter from the sons of calydon
https://vxtwitter.com/aragik3n/status/2008999063086354475
neon ore
🏳️🌈 
❓
rapid bough
git gud
the real answer is that it disproportionately rewards progress in the first minute
so blow as much as you can in that time frame
rapid bough
i personally didn't have any issues with it but i know tons of people with less complete rosters are having a rough time
they should probably adjust the ranking criteria to be like 75k+ total is S, instead of needing to S rank each individual stage
that way it can be sorta like the old shiyu where a really quick or good stage run can compensate for a bad one
wispy goblet
What are the teams you're running
As someone who has lots of agents but mediocre builds and few sigs
I needed to kick and scream to hit S+
glossy latch
Eve with Lucy over Astra, full anomaly, and Miyabi Yanagi Soukaku
glossy latch
Jane Vivian Yuzuha
rapid bough
jane/vivi/yuzu lowkey really sucks on the second fight since the first two robots are not physical weak, only electric weak
so you get the least done on the part of the fight where the multiplier is highest, it's pretty shit
also they're ether resistant which makes vivi less effective
wispy goblet
Do you have another support, or Trigger?
maybe Jane/Yanagi/Yuzuha for the second fight
but then you'll need another support for the third
if you have Lycaon built, you could play the infamous monoice
rapid bough
pretty sure he has m1+ rina, would probably work w/ yanagi for fight 2
yuzu/nagi/rina might do the trick
also just to see whether it was possible, i did eve/lighter/nicole for the first fight and got 28k while playing like absolute ass
wispy goblet
hmm looking at the fight details over I should have used my Miyabi team for Fight 3
the buff is so good for her
rapid bough
you might have more luck with that instead of lucy
wispy goblet
but I was pretty sure Manato's base mechanics were bad for Miyabi
rapid bough
(i don't have a weapon for lucy since kaboom is on yuzuha, so opted not to use her)
wispy goblet
also I needed Yuzuha for Fight 2 anyway
rapid bough
hmm looking at the fight details over I should have used my Miyabi team for Figh...
i mogged that fight with yuzu/vivi/miyabi
i think it was actually my highest score lol
38k or something
though i just reset to try to see what was possible with scuffed comps like ovven's
wispy goblet
these were my scores
don't think I'll do any more pushing before reset
he still needs something to gap-fill for Fight 3 if we're moving Yanagi to Fight 2
glossy latch
Tbh since all 3 arent hitting 25k
Im just not gonna bother lmao
... I wonder if Zhao is good for Miyabi tho
wispy goblet
not unusually better than Astra outside of possibly lining up with a mono-ice style
but even then it's weird
you'd have to build her in a nontraditional way to use her a-la mono-ice or mostly ice
rapid bough
i just got about 23k with jane/yuzu/vivi while, again, playing like kinda ass (my jane almost died lmao)
25k might be possible if i locked in
rapid bough
nope
wispy goblet
that said her EX has good ice buildup if you focus on anomaly buildup
so there's potential there
glossy latch
I dont think I care for the 80 primos enough
rapid bough
tbh the buffs are just straight asscheeks for that team
rapid bough
i agree with it being DA but worse but i don't mind since i like DA
glossy latch
I dont like base DA much to begin with, this is just worse
wispy goblet
this is a common complaint but I don't see it
the only similarity is that they both now require three teams
the heuristic of the timing of damage is different
the fight construction is different
glossy latch
Well yeah, thats the "but worse" part 
wispy goblet
the way the scores add up to your rewards is different
I'll be sure to put in the feedback that they should expand Shiyu to four teams required so people stop making the comparison
rapid bough
sorry meta that's cope imo, it absolutely is DA regardless of the point multiplier gimmick
the only meaningful difference is that you kill the boss at the end
rapid bough
everyone's approaching shiyu the same way they approach DA, because there's only one way to approach "points go brr" content which is dump all the things into the enemy at all times
digital marlin
Skipper please i consider you like a brother dont do this to me
wispy goblet
tbh if they did make Shiyu take four teams (they likely won't, at least in the short term)
then everyone would make Threshold Sim comparisons instead
also I was joking smh
rapid bough
tbh if they did make Shiyu take four teams (they likely won't, at least in the s...
as if threshold sim wasn't glorified DA lol
wispy goblet
smh y'all are crazy reductionist
I'm gonna start claiming Anomaly and Attack strategies are fundamentally the same because they both involve hitting the enemy
rapid bough
you would not be incorrect
rapid bough
rupture is probably the better comparison to attack though
wispy goblet
glossy latch
Oh we have an anomaly stunner
wispy goblet
that's part of the Idols' gimmick
they're not disorder cycling centered
they're burst-centric and want to take advantage of the the stun window multiplier
rapid bough
would you say they are... quite similar to attack agents
wispy goblet
rapid bough
versed pawn
Knew it anomaly centric stunner
wispy goblet
so
the simple idea is
stun
freeze the stun window and anomaly build-up phase
unload all your corruption procs and ablooms
then the stun window unfreezes and you're guaranteed to fit everything into the stun window
very slick
slow raft
fuck, the hoyo games daily reset was 10 minutes ago, wasnt it
slow raft
just hsr then
versed pawn
The robot is gonna pancake them all
slow raft
just hsr then
nvm, i was right
rapid bough
i re-attempted everything after my reset and actually beat my old high score by like 10k, neat
versed pawn
They usually all at that time
rapid bough
i feel like i can break 40k on manato with slightly better rotations early
versed pawn
Usually u pretty good to go if u manage to delete the mobs at the 1 minute mark
mental acorn
alright I have obtained index donathan
mental acorn
oh this uptie story is fucked
yeah part 2 is going to be fucked
I don't even know enough about the city to grasp the full implications of this
||but hey nursefather yi sang||
is there a usual release date for the bad end ids
runic ether
around the middle of the season
runic ether
I don't even know enough about the city to grasp the full implications of this
about what specifically?
oh if this is uptie story content... eh what the hell, i'll look it up. i'm not gonna get her until next week with don shards most likely
yeah rip i didnt get lucky with the deca ticket oh well i'll just wait till next week
wispy goblet
solo mode time
slow raft
just saw new dons uptie art in the shop 
runic ether
yeah same
slow raft
also, second unit to have shin?
runic ether
yup
copper steppe
yatta she’s very cute
toxic cloud
Don't have enough for takeru but I like Yui and iori the most anyway
slow raft
Also: new outid ego looks fucking cracked for evny teams(primarily charge arm for her iirc)
The heathcliff one seems need for roostercliff but idk ho2 good it works for w charge teams, usually you like to keep your charge and dont exactly get the burn conditionals in those teams
runic ether
yeah i like both of these egos they feel like nice little incidental bits to teams that have had something missing for ego
but at least for heath it isnt super flexible thats ok
slow raft
hes also not exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to ego
big fan when they do small impact one off status effects like they did with these
mental acorn
9-21 ||OH BOY ||
runic ether
canto 9 ||matthias is so fucking great lmao||
mental acorn
9-24 ||GOATssypium mention 🗣️ ||
runic ether
||bleed i love bleed. i finally got kurokumo heath with shards this season and it feels nice as fuck||
summer hornet
So… I assume that Jia Family Ishmael and Heishou Lord Hong Lu don’t occur in the same mirror world?
||Or was the Jia Baoyu at the end of her uptie story someone pretending to be Hong Lu?||
runic ether
||thats correct. different mirror worlds and for jia ish, hers is extremely distorted.||
summer hornet
||yeah the red text freaked me out hard ngl||
runic ether
||the traditional ominous red text much like heath and mayors experienced. very normal truly lol||
runic ether
ohhh many
canto 9 part 2 end ||frey is gonna fucking freak. im pogging the fuck out of my mind finally seeing mr. crabro||
canto 9
||MY BOY VESPA IS A COLOR NOW LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO||
runic ether
9-35
||excuse hohenheim you have fucking big bird???||
thoughts: another banger part
spoilers ||i was really not shocked at the reveal that the nursefathers knew about ryoshu's child all along. but... im honestly beginning to think that the child is actually ryoshu still, and that the pinky nursefather is the actual person ryoshu sees in the memories.||
||also, i think these fights so far have been really cool, but also goes to show how strong the sinners have gotten to this point where the pinky nursefather is genuinely weaker than lei heng and we could really have won had it not been for the fact that dante messed up. speaking of... dante messing up feels really important with their memories slightly recovering and giving us lore. lore which... strangely enough, can feel compelling to think about given the existence of a particular abno||
||"rise my servants. rise and serve me."||
||i... kind of expect that dante may have whitenight somewhere in them. and i wouldnt be surprised if ultimately, the clock head is comprised of multiple abnos in tandem to form this extremely powerful relic that they are unlocking more and more over time.||
||with this context, i actually think a big portion for us not having alephs at all yet, is that the aleph chosen for the sinner will be the aleph chosen that is comprised of this synergy with the clock and of whitenight.||
||the big question ultimately, is that i am still wondering what limbus company's actual end goal was for sabotaging the lca's first showing. i think... we may actually deal a significant blow to the fingers with this operation going successful, and this was all set up to be an elaborate way to showcase to the city that limbus company has the ability to significantly harm them... but i also do think that its possible still that limbus company was genuinely caught off guard over this... but maybe not. sending lca, lcb, lcd, and lce to raid the spider house feels like too good an excuse. they win? they get to show off to the city that limbus company is frfr defeating multiple grade 2 and grade 1 tier threats. its all too convenient.||
||sending in 2 colors too with verg and vespa makes me feel like there will still be something truly powerful holding the house of spiders together... but i really cant imagine losing with them here.||
i just thought of something...
||i feel like with them having big bird... i wouldnt doubt the lce is looking to get ahold of punishment and judgment birds as well. i can see punishment bird being in the house of spiders rn. judgment bird picked up in canto 10 with meursault. giving the lce apocalypse feels like its eventually in the cards and something kind of horrifying||
runic ether
||but hey nursefather yi sang||
came back to this after reading the uptie story rn
||he cant keep getting away with this fuuuuuuck. we're really going to see yi sang get a new sinking id to powercreep solemn lament and spicebush. sinking is eating so fucking good rn but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh||
astral drift
toxic cloud
yui pog pog pog pog pog
silver osprey
YOOOO
slow raft
did a singluar 10 pull because i love gambling
oh right i can also shard the other two now
silver osprey
Is that a fucking ||Big Bird EGO gear||
Part 2 done then
Now I have to wait another week for peak
runic ether
Is that a fucking ||Big Bird EGO gear||
||he has lamp indeed. tho i saw some ppl throw around a possible aberration of big bird but idts||
also canto 9 stuff ||its kinda fucking me up ryoshu is just 28. the unfortunate thing is... that i am p sure her sword is her kid. and if it isnt, its sora. i just feel it.||
runic ether
real
||i am kind of sad he shaved. he looked more pathetic before and now he looks locked in but lamp is...||
silver osprey
||Getting survivor's guilt 2.0 made him lock in||
runic ether
||they really knew how to twist the knife on it. no one named dying in part 1 def made marton's sacrifice hurt more. and i feel it'll make alyssa sacrifice herself in pt 3 to also hurt more. that or hohenheim manifests ego to change his fate.||
also
||love that each group likely paired into their worst match up nursefather. im sure the strategic folks would have beaten the ring nursefather. and i believe dante could maybe have sinner revived past matthias. while the smart team could have figured out how to stall the pinky nursefather.||
||untampered lca beats the thumb nursefather for sure and vergilius beats index nursefather if he doesnt need to worry about charon.||
runic ether
||feels wild too that we could have beaten the pinky nursefather with the proper team too. i feel like part 3's focus wont be on the fights. i have a feeling they'll be "easy enough" but the real trauma will be in what happened to ryoshu's daughter.||
glossy latch
Got the final Banyue update I think
Not much room for improvement left on his discs
Unless I get his weapon
slow raft
please alfonso i need this
https://x.com/shiadyne/status/2008621567161307474
X
slow raft
X
glossy latch
Lets see if I can 20k DA with Banyue now
Oh its probably doable
... ehhh dont really wanna grind for it though
This does feel better though
... kinda hate how key Dialyn or Fufu feel
rapid bough
... kinda hate how key Dialyn or Fufu feel
the lion does not concern itself with optimal team comps
glossy latch
Unfortunately the lion has misplaced his signature
So optimal team comps are rather required
silver osprey
||it is nice to know that dante isnt ready yet for malcute||
Someone in another server also mentioned that ||malkuth having this effect might be a reference to the "return all agents to the main room" upgrade in Lob Corp||
runic ether
||oh absolutely. i 100% believe the full effect of that skill is exactly that which i assume will mean that eventually, we're gonna be able to handle the sinners all being capable enough to handle threats on their own without ids.||
wispy goblet
Ovven have you posted your roster before?
glossy latch
I mean Ive talked about it, dunno about posted
Its fairly straightforward
Only limited stunner is Lighter, only limited supports are Yuzuha, Lucia and Zhao
Well and Vivian by technicality
wispy goblet
which standards do you have
glossy latch
Everyone minus Nekomata
mortal iron
https://fixupx.com/lesbianmiorine/status/2008895797744762896 @lusty egret @summer hornet
i expected reuse lines from SRW but, it started with banagher saying gun bits, and no other games have WFM besides SRW
slow raft
X
silver osprey
mental acorn
so true
runic ether
||i am somewhat in the camp that sora is ryoshu's daughter removed from the safe she had placed her in. well, it will probably be a complicated situation. even though we know ryoshu is only 28, its possible that this was an "adopted" daughter situation. the other half is that the sword is the daughter. but i know sora is totally and utterly doomed one way or another.||
silver osprey
||Only if her daughter got turned into the sword or something, otherwise... I only think the Sora is Araya theory||
||Ryo had to learn mothering skills for a reason after all||
runic ether
||yeah and sora def seems young enough to be in the camp to have been "raised", which would also explain why she doesnt really remember ryoshu to call her mother, yet on the age enough to be a fighter now especially with the prescripts.||
mental acorn
||yeah and sora def seems young enough to be in the camp to have been "raised", ...
||What if Araya was CAPTURED and TRAPPED in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber||
||although I think her calling ryoshu "big sis yoshihide" probably indicates some sort of memory fuckery if the soraya theory does turn out||
silver osprey
||They do both have dark hair as well, the difference is iirc Araya's hair in the flashback is similar to past Ryoshu's while Sora's short and messy||
||And we can't know if Araya has glasses since we only saw her from the back||
runic ether
||there is definitely prescripts fuckery abound too. its no surprise that as soon as the index is involved things go wrong for us and things go well for them.||
mental acorn
||there was one theory I really liked, that the nursefathers were after the boughs to essentially recreate the sinner contract with araya as an unwilling centerpiece, but after the incomplete resonance scenes I'm not so sure if it holds any weight anymore||
||was always a bit out there but it would however be hype as fuck and provide a way for the avengers to not just sweep everything so i will continue to cope||
runic ether
||yeah the big mystery atm is def what they want with the boughs rn. and honestly? im expecting it to come down to ryoshu in the end of course, but i can also see this being a scenario where dias set the house of spiders up since she seems to be able to get literally anything and everything ever and arrange things however she wants. seeing the udjat, seeing vespa become a color, seeing the current capabilities of dante + what he can possibly do in the future. its hard to imagine this not being some sort of set up for the house of spiders and it would likely also win them yet another golden bough.||
slow raft
X
vernal snow
So… I assume that Jia Family Ishmael and Heishou Lord Hong Lu don’t occur in the...
hold on i was reading logs and this is incorrect
same mirror world
||the one in a different mirror world would be daiyu ryoshu||
wheres the confusion coming from if you dont mind me asking?
runic ether
||oh it is the only one entirely daiyu ryoshu thats different huh? i remembered that lord hong lu does kill xichun but i guess he kills ishchun?||
vernal snow
||yep, he kills ishichun after she's possessed by the funny wormy||
all in the beginning of his uptie story
runic ether
||right right right and thats where wei sang picks up after the fact that they couldnt save her||
vernal snow
indeed
summer hornet
||ohhhhh Okay, I read that a few months ago so I guess I came to the wrong conclusion lmao. I thought that he took her death as the reason he needed to basically conquer Hongyuan||
vernal snow
unfortunately it ain't quite that heroic
would be great propaganda for his hierarchy tho
runic ether
||lord hong lu is pure vengeance and rage under a mask of calm||
vernal snow
||i dont really see him as rage or anything like that||
runic ether
||iirc, his va said that the voice change to go deeper was fun but straining||
vernal snow
||he's just completely nihilistic||
||nothing matters so i'll just kill everyone lmao||
runic ether
canto 8 spoilers ||if he mirrors kong qiu, i would imagine there is a significant level of rage involved in the actions as the thin veneer of his actions are dictated on that vengeance. the nihilism is def there, but he holds a level of hatred of hongyuan on his own.||
vernal snow
totally fair, i can see that as well
there's bound to be ||some rage there but he just never lets it show behind his aloof smile||
runic ether
oh for sure
||again, if he mirrors kong qiu's tale, he likely holds a level of calm as a fascade. where kong qiu is actually enlightened/calm, lord hong lu is using it to mask his true feelings.||
vernal snow
||if the rage weren't there he wouldn't be known as a great ruler of hongyuan, undoing a lot of his predecessors' extreme classism and if the nihilism weren't there he wouldn't have attempted to kill ishichun during her uptie story||
slow raft
The funny part is, that would literally still be the will of the city
https://x.com/creaturefan216/status/2009315412891275693
runic ether
the will of the city then sending a proslyte to deliver it independent of the guy he asked
versed pawn
Goonfield soon
rapid bough
runic ether
slow raft
https://tenor.com/view/%E3%83%95%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88-fl...
"Not very woke of you"
wispy goblet
slow raft
vernal snow
rumor has it that kim is so powerful the head made "bamboo-hatted" a color title so hed get the recognition he deserves without being a fixer
runic ether
slow raft
Canto 9 spoilers
||https://vxtwitter.com/frostfiresoul/status/2007652331941404912||
sharp swan
https://fixvx.com/i/status/2009452329528119466
Nanami I mean Aemeath got like 4 ult animation
digital marlin
https://fixvx.com/i/status/2009452329528119466
gOD DAM
rapid bough
https://fixvx.com/i/status/2009452329528119466
damn i was not familiar with wuwa's game, she looks fucking sick
digital marlin
yeah WuWa takes animations seriously
versed pawn
mystic python
https://fixvx.com/i/status/2009452329528119466
I can smell the GPUs getting fried
old galleon
https://fixupx.com/Cygames_PR/status/2009468917610414479/en
can't wait for ai generated granblue fantasy main story updates /s
mental acorn
uma.i.....
rapid bough
https://fixupx.com/Cygames_PR/status/2009468917610414479/en
yikes
if it's what they say and focused on only tools, i'd argue that's fine
but services or, even worse, generative AI products that replace the work of actual people (artists especially)? no bueno
and if they're setting up an entire studio for it, i sorta worry it's the latter
old galleon
if it's what they say and focused on only tools, i'd argue that's fine
you would be deluding yourself if you thought this is all they'd do
rapid bough
i suffer from no such delusion, just trying to understand the angle here
that has to be the sales pitch anyway, either that or they truly don't know that consumer sentiment is heavily anti-AI
old galleon
hence the conditional would instead of saying you are
the angle is probably "jump on this trendy wave of ai to keep up with the joneses" or whatever
rapid bough
well everyone's already doing that to some degree
but most companies are smart enough to not advertise it
old galleon
language model thing suggests potential use for writing story content, or translating it
sharp swan
Well shet
rapid bough
yeah MTL games would suck
sharp swan
yeah MTL games would suck
I mean one of Hoyo's writers actually used AI
runic ether
it explains a ton when the og writing team left, hoyo's writing in genshin has been rather abyssmal
they cant hold an entire patch worth of good story to save their lives in genshin
sharp swan
it explains a ton when the og writing team left, hoyo's writing in genshin has b...
ZZZ current writer 💀
runic ether
i think the saving grace for zzz is that it was never great to begin with
rapid bough
ZZZ's not anything special as a whole but i think its last couple chapters have been good
rapid bough
i think ZZZ suffers more from what i think were clear changes in story direction between 1.x and 2.0, and then around halfway through 2.x
runic ether
which is a shame i do think zzz always had the potential to have the most interesting story among the hoyo games
rapid bough
can't speak to how it compares to the other hoyo games since i don't play them, but i think ZZZ definitely still has the potential to get quite interesting
and i said after finishing 2.5 that the storylines they're setting up are way more engaging (for me anyway) than the whole exaltist shit they wasted half of 2.x with
runic ether
i think the problem for me to see that is how reactive the devs have been
they've course corrected too hard rather than iterating on early mistakes
i cant feel good about how they handle the story so far either. its had some good to great moments and some really really dull moments too
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imo the two best chapters so far are 2.5 and season 1 epilogue part 1
which would imply they sorta only hit their stride at the very end of a season lol
runic ether
dulling or weaker moments are fine but there is clear inconsistency
runic ether
imo the two best chapters so far are 2.5 and season 1 epilogue part 1
im not done with 2.5's story yet (limbus story has my attention by far rn) but it so far has been okay. my dislike of shunguang isnt helping my enjoyment tho lol
but i def think its better than 90% of 2.x so far
rapid bough
yeah given how much the chapter focuses on shunguang i think it sorta lives or dies based on how much you like her
but it does have other solid parts
runic ether
i'd have rated spook shack stuff higher if... other parts of 2.x somewhat invalidated them...
rapid bough
zhao's storyline is good, and they do a lot of set up at the end that is interesting
shiyuan's role is also good
we're def getting him playable in future
runic ether
small rant about shiyuan: hes really good. like really good. and i wish 2.x had focused on him and his sister even if i dont like shunguang cus he works bc of her
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i naturally compare 2.5 to 1.4 as the climax to their respective seasons and the hype void hunter patches
and imo 2.5 does what 1.4 did but better
runic ether
idk why hoyo as a whole is so averse to putting banner characters as protags for events and shit in zzz so they can focus the narrative a lot more tightly
personally, i liked that sanby and trigger had side events in theory even if it was executed poorly (and butchered later)
i thought that 2.5 -> 2.7 patches were almost gonna do something good but they didnt stick the landing
1.x
im not from the future
lol
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fair
runic ether
but that small set up? it was p good
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the astra/eve special episode is one of the better ones they've done and ofc hugo in 1.6 was goated
i have sorta removed 1.7 from my memory lol
runic ether
i think it def stung cus again, i saw good potential with that last bit it was 1.4 being p great -> 1.5 being good, 1.6 being really strong -> 1.7 was weak but okay into...
the entire mess of 2.x
it felt like they were going to break the hoyo "china region story is fucking ass" cycle their other current games have gone through
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i can only hope they learned a valuable lesson in their abject failure to make the exaltists a compelling antagonist force
runic ether
(liyue in genshin was fine but the japan region was pretty shit due to covid)
runic ether
i can only hope they learned a valuable lesson in their abject failure to make t...
hoyo doesnt know how to do villains well atp
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at least it's gonna be hard to get less interesting than the exaltists
runic ether
at least it's gonna be hard to get less interesting than the exaltists
they could always fatui them 
create some genuinely compelling characters and arcs only to butcher the landing on 90% of them so bad it hurts to watch
and idk which i'd prefer
rapid bough
tbh i'm not super big on the creator stuff either but at least they're building it up in ways that could be interesting (full 2.5 spoilers ||like its connection to the qingming sword and tailless and the power of the hollow in general, plus a possible setup with connections to lucia and sunbringer||)
runic ether
exaltists nothingburger where i can just ignore that happened? or ignore the new content and enjoy good arcs that did happen?
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thus far i think the only characters/arcs that they've mishandled in ZZZ have been like all of obol's, especially sanby
vivan's was also disappointing but i wouldn't call it butchery
runic ether
sanby is easily the worst treated game art character for hoyo
sure, none of them can compare to the goat kiana
but sanby has been handled the worst and its barely year 2
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can only cope they right their wrongs when next we build on her storyline with all the cloning shit
runic ether
which is a shame, that cover girl is more or less the protag/deutoragonist and is usually very important
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plus all the unresolved baggage with s11
which tbh harms everyone around it too, especially trigger since she's complicit
still very much not a fan of how they handled that
runic ether
i think in a better written game, this would be goated
limbus company has moments like these that we know will be paid off and the intention is super clear on why they go through with a plot moment like this
rapid bough
the pieces are there for a great character conflict that builds everyone involved
but they just sorta left the thread hanging
runic ether
i dont think the hoyo writing team has the guts or the chops to handle such a heavy thing anby did
runic ether
but they just sorta left the thread hanging
and ik why
its because they designed sanby to work with trigger
and in theory flora and orphie too
so if u wanna sell the others, you'd wanna use sanby with them or vice versa, and notably, if they didnt interact, it'd feel weird
cus practically every character begins interacting with each other if they work well over time
ie: lighter meeting astra and eve in various events
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normally ZZZ's willingess to have various characters meet and interact is actually a great thing
but it really hurts for sanby & obol given how that storyline was left
runic ether
so having sanby, built for the rest of obol squad, not interacting, even though we know why it'd be awkward as fuck that all of 11s friends are hanging out with, atm, her mortal enemy, they find excuses
rapid bough
it gets worse the longer they leave it to fester lol
well sanby does interact with obol a few times in the side events, they had that "obol training" event where they involved sanby to give an in-universe justification for her buffs when they first released
runic ether
yeah again, i wouldnt mind the story line and direction in a different game one that either can/wants to explore such a situation, or one that would not leave threads open that way (not a live service/gacha game for instance)
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but basically any time sanby is involved, all of obol agrees to distract s11 or send her off to do something different because putting sanby and s11 face-to-face isn't possible until they want to devote probably an entire side episode to it
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which tbh harms everyone around it too, especially trigger since she's complicit
yeah that's what i meant here
it even harms the proxy's characterization too lol
runic ether
yeah which again, could be kino and very cool... if it wasnt so jarring
rapid bough
s11's last trust event is a borderline love confession but proxy keeps signing on to operations where obol deliberately excludes and persistently lies to s11 just to work with sanby
not great
runic ether
it even harms the proxy's characterization too lol
absolutely
and similarly
a different game maybe has us choose to tell her and never interact with anby (and cunning hares possibly) or lie and knowingly harm 11 but then theres the inevitable conflict as a result to look forward to in the future
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that doesn't seem like the sort of impactful choice i'd ever expect a hoyo game to have
or really any gacha game
runic ether
but the gacha formula is p harmful for a storythread like this without intention
runic ether
that doesn't seem like the sort of impactful choice i'd ever expect a hoyo game ...
god i do love kim ji hoon for this exact reason
but before i hop on a glaze train about limbus company and how un-gacha its writing is, i would rather complain about hoyo rn
praise is difficult bc of spoilers. hating is free
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it's definitely not a hoyo-specific issue, though it gets exacerbated since hoyo clearly didn't quite know how to handle it
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feels more like 99% of gacha games would have this problem (maybe not quite as bad) and limbus is just built different because it punts the gacha formula
runic ether
being an indie project helps
having a single writer overseeing the whole thing also does too
who has expanded his vision from the first 2 games
but i digress... i really do hope that zzz can start picking up on existing plot points and my hope...
they keep allowing the proxies to be... more active participants
wispy goblet
it probably won't happen right away
going to get some falling action with the Idols side story
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all i can say is finish 2.5, they revive some old plot threads and start new interesting ones
runic ether
its honestly wild to me... that they are probably the best hoyo protags from their current 3 games
the traveler in genshin is a lost cause to me, the trailblazer in hsr is a total blank slate atp or worse, a vessel for memes
wise and belle feel like characters im following (for the most part)
runic ether
it probably won't happen right away
going to get some falling action with the Id...
the skip button, my beloved
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i will say that i wish they lampshaded the proxy going into the hollow a bit more, it still does feel a bit silly for them to be physically present in some story events so it sticks out more when they have no good reason to be there
runic ether
true
i wish they either made them at least a bit combat capable or... got them the hell out
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even give them some sort of shield technique so it makes sense in-universe for them to be able to spectate and not get mogged by a dozen ethereals the moment the agent(s) they're with are occupied
runic ether
yeah stakes are absurdly low here and it also makes some otherwise smart characters feel dumb as fucl
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like, i get why they pursued the "proxies should be physically present for the story" angle, 2.5 makes it abundantly clear that it gives them more interesting narrative options, both to build their eye powers and their relationship with characters, compared to if they had to be inside eous all the time
but the way they did it in-story was pretty hamfisted and continues to be that way, basically everyone involved has to be reckless af and some agent has to save them from imminent death at least once every chapter lol
at best it should be a last resort when eous isn't an option for <insert lampshade reason here>
runic ether
itd be interesting if this hamfisted reason was the cause for actual drama
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them just sending it whenever, wherever and ending up in awful spots is dumb
runic ether
want to write shifu out of the story? she took a blow saving your reckless ass for being in a hollow and cant fight well
they kinda had the idea with manato when he was hurt but apparently hes also superman
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i'm hoping it ends up being the reason behind vivian's prophecy (still active for sure ) being fulfilled
so we can finally get story consequences of them figuratively flying too close to the sun
instead of just being stupid but getting bailed out for free every time things nearly go south because of it
runic ether
this part def feels like some sort of weird course correction of the one part in early 1.x when a companion hollow pops up/expands and belle gets stuck in it
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it absolutely was
runic ether
idk why tho, hollows stopped feeling like a threat, when that was a good chapter
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mayor-ex-machina popping up and giving them super eye upgrades that cure their ether intolerance in 5 minutes made that clear
runic ether
idk if they felt a more dark theme of ppl getting stuck in a hollow and dying was too much somehow?
or maybe they felt they needed to ensure the protags didnt suffer the issue at hand?
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nah i don't think so, that was one of the few things the exaltists storyline hit on correctly imo
since there was that story segment where you had to save a bunch of people from becoming ethereals due to being trapped in the hollow by exaltists
runic ether
yeah i do agree but i wish that was more... prevalent
also more nuanced
could have had more exaltists genuinely believe this is how they can evolve/save humanity truly and not fight us with fists rather with words while we had em on screen
rapid bough
the way 2.x was told with lemnian hollow really fucked with the otherworldly nature they've tried to build up with hollows previously
was just a place you (and even civilians) roamed around in basically freely that got dangerous from time to time
runic ether
which i dont exactly mind... because like yeah it'd make sense corporations/business/people would try and exploit the hollows
but they didnt handle it particularly well
and again, it definitely felt like the hollows lost that mystic edge they had prior
where we'd hear rumors about doors that link to the past/future or ghosts from the hollows and such
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the currently running co-op story at least reclaims some of that mystique
runic ether
yeah
which i do appreciate
again, ultimately frustrating cus again, zzz has so much potential
fuck
zzz is potential-story
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"meet potential game"
runic ether
meet potential story
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0 good villains
0 overarching plot payoffs
7 direction changes
runic ether
delve into the interesting setting? X
go fishing with qingyi? check
actually tho do this more it was stupid yet fun
i am also slightly worried they've been doing all this business with the hollows how they have been bc they are already running out of city space ideas
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i don't mind the SoL side events, they're usually always fun as pseudo-bond events with the characters they involve
runic ether
worried that they may genuinely not have proper plans for expanding new eridu despite it being so big supposedly and they already went far out with the sons of calydon
so they want to have a way to introduce a version set entirely within a hollow
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i vaguely recall parts of the recent story (can't remember if it was 2.5 story or co-op story) referencing several new quarters of the city that i don't think i've ever even heard of before
so i'm not super worried they'll find shit to do in the city if needed
runic ether
yeah which i do hope they take advantage of... and that theu dont feel scared off by ppl not liking waifei peninsula much
wispy goblet
today's new survey is about events and what you want to see
unrelated to anything
runic ether
waifei looks great, and it fits the urban theme well, even tho ik ppl arent familiar with that sort of urban sprawl here in the west
runic ether
today's new survey is about events and what you want to see
unrelated to anythin...
for zzz? i need them to make a proper short rogue-like. like a condensed withering garden
wispy goblet
ye
wispy goblet
for zzz? i need them to make a proper short rogue-like. like a condensed witheri...
wait until you hear about Blitz
or Lost Void
wispy goblet
Which they are apparently leaving behind for a new Hollow Zero experience
So
runic ether
yeah
i need like a binding of isaac style where you go one room to the next quickly, no breaks, and a boss at the end
runic ether
no resonium
wispy goblet
two mini boss stages
and then Nineveh final stage
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no resonium
resonium would definitely be a feature lol
people like that random experience
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content that is made to do solo for certain agents sounds interesting
runic ether
like stages shorter than 3-4 mins
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but it would need a fair bit of work since some agents (esp supports) are definitely not designed to work solo lol
runic ether
give them some of their hz gear that makes them into a dps like astra becoming neuvilette