#Gacha Chat

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neon ore
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Also looking ahead for year 2 I'm seeing what worth it or interesting to me. I see a lot of hype for Machan but idk what her deal is

late canopy
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She's a really good horse or parent for shorter distance Front runners

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And apparently her story is really really good

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But I've never read it cuz I never got her

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Mayb later

neon ore
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All I could look into the horse is that she, Vodka and Daiwa Scarlett where known as the " big three" in the filly crop of 2006-2007.

silver osprey
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She was one of the big three but died very young

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So Machan in game basically spends the entire time trying to be a mascot so that people don't forget her

long tree
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Love how she randomly goes Wei

mental acorn
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she's goated

neon ore
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I see nyaruhodo

late canopy
versed pawn
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BA just canceled sponsored stream from the trash taste members because the fans dont want them

late canopy
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From what I've seen the targeted streamer in question was specifically anti-BA in the past

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So it begs the question...why did they agree to it

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Obviously there's money involved but given what they preached and their own audience sharing those views, they had to have seen it going south

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What probably makes the most sense is he accepted just to troll the stream and the BA social media staff were completely oblivious of his relationship with the game

versed pawn
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Ye

silver osprey
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Bird mom is out

mental acorn
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the garden is open...

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now I'll have to juggle mds and is6

silver osprey
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"Scoremaxxing"

slow raft
runic ether
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apparently hsr lets you skip firefly's 2nd date this patch

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which im crediting constance for

slow raft
idle grove
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😔

runic ether
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that hopeless clash...

slow raft
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Personally i think they both have great stories but ultimately limbus company is more consistent

runic ether
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<Meursault, defeat the Fate series!>
"It will be done manager."

slow raft
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Like, agartha is something that i dont think limbus company would ever tolerate

copper steppe
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idk about limbus

runic ether
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yea limbus has the buff that it really is all coming from one consistent source for the storytelling. it really shows in how even the uptie stories often end up being really good short stories in and of themselves. i can see a larger project like fgo having a writing department, which has its own merits mind you, but i can easily see how that can also cause some things to slip through the cracks.

copper steppe
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and i will not play limbus even if they threaten me

slow raft
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Damn, then you cant vote 😔

copper steppe
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you think limbus fans play fgo

slow raft
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Yea?

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I do

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Regi does

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Im sure theres others outside of this chat

runic ether
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i really dont play fgo, but i am a fan of other fate stuff

copper steppe
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but anyway i have refused to install new gacha games and became infinitely more content with life

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i don’t even do dailies anymore i just log when i feel like it

rapid bough
maiden veldt
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the best way to describe fgo from a old player would be a very good story with great characters told in the most mundane/bare bones way possible with a mediocre game attached to it.

slow raft
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Fgo is a game of highs and lows in many ways

copper steppe
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i feel like the mundane part is wrong

silver osprey
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It's probably going to be AK vs Limbus

copper steppe
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its still stands strong

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even if old

maiden veldt
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any may god help you if the devs forgot about your favorite servant.

copper steppe
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most servants come back either in events or main story, i don’t think they forget them imo

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i remember enma tei event where fionn went from hated to liked by the people’s perspective

rapid bough
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no one asked but on that note, something i really appreciate about ZZZ is its ability to consistently cameo old agents even if they don't have a role in the current story

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good to know most of them aren't forgotten

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keyword most because it does feel like it's been forever since we've seen anything from the cunning hares (other than anby)

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and astra/eve... my heart yearns for more eve

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though i guess astra played a major (even voiced) role in the summer event

slow raft
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They know they cant involve eve cause she would just instantly solvw any problem going on nyaruhodo

mental acorn
rapid bough
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they sparingly involve eve because she steals the spotlight wherever she goes

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my goat

copper steppe
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but imo i can’t believe that half of these people that vote played the other game

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its just not possible

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in the big spectrum of community bubbles

slow raft
slow raft
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Ive alreqdy seen people say "i havent played limbus but it cant be better than fgo so i voted for fgo" and "ive only plqyed a bit of fgo so i cant vote for it even though ive been told its good"

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And thats just people admitting it

copper steppe
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I mena people just press a button and be done with it, since we there’s no way we can even confirm

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such is life i guess

slow raft
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I mean ultimately it doesnt really matter, its just a random twitter poll

copper steppe
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to be honest i don’t even use twitter i just repost cosplays

slow raft
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But its neat to see the sentiment of people

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doubtlessly there are going to be people who will vote for limbus without having ever played it, just cause they hate fgo

copper steppe
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in a ramdom change of topic shame there’s not many popular male cosplayers in social media

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i think some outfits look fire but i don’t see people cosplay it

late canopy
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My guess is that there's less overlap in guys who like male designs enough who are also willing to cosplay them compared to girls in the same boat

slow raft
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Youre probably correct to some extent but i think its also an issue of whats profitable

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Of the male cosplayers i know of, the only ones that are popular are guys cosplaying in female characters outfits

late canopy
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I didn't even think of doing it for profit

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My mind was solely on hobbyists

slow raft
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Well i meant in what people like

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There are no doubt male cosplayers, but for you to see them, people have to like and retweet them

late canopy
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Yeah that's true

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Female would definitely go wider

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Girls and guys both like girls alot

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Girls like guys but guys don't tend to like guys quite as much

copper steppe
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You can think of it like they’re models

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or thats the closest think i can imagine

slow raft
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But yeah id like to see more cosplays of male characters

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You can even be a woman and cosplay them, just more would be nice

late canopy
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I help gunpla models cosplay as uma characters by painting them

slow raft
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[Cosplay]
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📷 @watch_nn

#LimbusCompany #Limbus_Company

【コスプレ/Cosplay】

Limbus Company
FIREFIST GREGOR

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#Limbus_Company #projectmoon
#リンバス #LCB

runic ether
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hot (literally)

slow raft
runic ether
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hate to be nitpicky (not really) but isnt her dress cut on the wrong side?

slow raft
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Mirror world clearly

versed pawn
slow raft
neon ore
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4 hours remain

digital marlin
rapid bough
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i think it's pretty likely we see astra/eve over the course of the angels of delusion release events

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since astra got acquainted with one of them (i forget her name) during the summer event

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and ofc there's obvious overlap on the idol stuff lol

mental acorn
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8-30 cleared on the second try hype

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||did not catch that the titular 6 unbreakable coins had attack weight the first time icant||

summer hornet
runic ether
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||loved the part where dante lays their massive balls on the table and nerfs lei heng||

mental acorn
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||all the resonance fights have been goated it's crazy||

slow raft
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I know the fight was quite hard for some people even though i found it easier than the last fight of canto 7

mental acorn
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||i think it probably would have been easier if i multislotted somebody with an evade and good clashing egos but unfortunately i lack units who have both||

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ended up with some casualties but managed to make it out

runic ether
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||its a fight you can get easily overwhelmed in if lei heng starts straight up smoking your ass hard.||

slow raft
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The ost for the fight also goes hard af even if i joke that it shouldve been "the only thing i know for real"

runic ether
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canto 8 is 2 for 2 on fights that make you go "wait theres still more canto?"

slow raft
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Next fight is ||the blowjob brothers||, right?

runic ether
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yea

mental acorn
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onwards to 32 ||THAT'S MY GOAT RIGHT THERE HE'S STARTING TO WANT THINGS LET'S GOOOOO||

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man this is such a good canto

slow raft
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Truthke

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Wait i have a better "i agree" for this

mental acorn
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||time to show the fraud who the better contempt awe ego gear user is...||

slow raft
summer hornet
# runic ether yea limbus has the buff that it really is all coming from one consistent source ...

This causes me so much pain because it’s so freaking true. 10 years with the FGO writers has given enough time for people to figure out who writes which story and interlude chapters for the most part. Some of the big bangers like Shimousa, LB5, the murder mystery event have had writers other than Nasu. And obviously the huge amount of input that individual artists have too, which leads to unexpected sleeper hit fan faves like Barghest, Oberon, the Indian pantheon…. Heck, every GudaGuda event ever is practically a crystallization of that. Unexpected fan favorite NPCs that manifest out of the ether, invoking so much goodwill from the fan base that the FGO team goes out of their way to make them playable a year or two later

But also. YEAH. It’s led to stuff like Agartha (which has never repeated, thank gods). Or Parvati’s artist, a budding FGO team member, getting harassed so badly that he basically cut himself off from the internet and only said ‘thank you to everyone who uses her’ in the materials books- where, traditionally, artists and writers yap for YEARS about their designs and philosophy.

Like. FGO experience is wading through a field of 6s to 9s for some shining clusters of 10s- arguably 11s, in my biased opinion.

Limbus has gone from 7 to 8 to 9 to 10 to 10 to 10 to 10 to 10.

slow raft
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Arguably the lowest quality stories in limbus are the short railway/walpurgis things and thats not bevause they are bad, they are just short

summer hornet
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They’re still 100% consistent with the overarching lore

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Which gives them an extra point

slow raft
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I cant think of a single bad intervallo

summer hornet
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Same ;_;

runic ether
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i can think of a least favorite, and its not that bad bc it gives us juicy lore and thats miracle in district 20

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the gnomes...

slow raft
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Its probably my least fav yea

summer hornet
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I mean it seemed fine to me? It seemed like an enjoyable, relatively lower stakes Intervallo. An out of verse unwinding

runic ether
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i did love the don and heath content

slow raft
runic ether
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nocturnal night sweeping

slow raft
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And you could never make me hate hells chicken

runic ether
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shit, spring cultivation is also really fucking goated

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as is check up

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timekilling time was so goated too

slow raft
summer hornet
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Wait who tf is that last one

slow raft
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Youll see

runic ether
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you'll see

summer hornet
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Vro tried to slip in there

runic ether
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tried and true limbus special of making us care about a character in a short time frame and developing a real af story

slow raft
runic ether
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yeah...

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||i love how much it develops rodya in that her mind races through many different things to say but knows the one thing she needs to get out: merry christmas. it fucking hits..||

slow raft
runic ether
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no that's pretty normal for the sinners

astral drift
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while i was looking up badly rated fgo chapters, apparently people didn't like tunguska??

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i'm biased because i like koyanskaya screentime but what did people not like about it

summer hornet
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I don't remember in full, but I think it was the slant from dedicated villainy/actually Tamamo to sympathetic villain/not actually a Tamamo

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And initial JP/ENG translations played up some of the... Traits of certain mobs inside Tunguska

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Also, now that I think about it. That event was RUTHLESS in difficulty

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I specifically crashed out in this chat about it two years ago

old galleon
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also this lol

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also apparently i am a fucking prophet

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going back to find my takes on the tunguska event and the ivan fuckup specifically and remembering some random acts of prophecy i had back in the day

copper steppe
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and her reason for her hatred agianst humans wasn’t very fleshed out

glossy latch
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Oh I have two old permanent ZZZ events I never did

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... maybe I can get Banyue 👀

pastel bear
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FIRST BA W I'VE SEEN AND IT'S A MASSIVE ONE

digital marlin
copper steppe
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time flies by

neon ore
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It's time

mental acorn
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harikitte ikou

neon ore
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I'll be working tonight. Best of luck to all of you.

silver osprey
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Wait I'm doing IS lynaaaaa

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I'm not ready

silver osprey
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Aight, birb mom obtained

mortal iron
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Easy MLB

slow raft
paper spoke
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May your good pulls be many and your whiffs few folks! Have a merry chrysler

rapid bough
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yessss the gfl2 cat cafe game mode is back

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this minigame is so goddamn kino i love it so much

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easily my favorite minigame in gfl2 and honestly may be my favorite across any gacha i've played

runic ether
rapid bough
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jesus christ lol

old galleon
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was almost expecting them to drop the cursed numbers

slow raft
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Love it when they do the modern clothes ascensions

neon ore
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First 10 pull, and just like that I got MLB, I am finally free

mental acorn
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200 pulls
1 el
1 yaeno muteki
2 kita

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good enough

mental acorn
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yeah that's a pretty good foundation now

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and now i still have the ssr ticket + uncap crystal

neon ore
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Now with MLB Kita now I only have to borrow MLB Super Creek nyaruhodo

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although I got the gambling itch and I kinda want one more El or possibly more creeks

slow raft
runic ether
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she is really bad

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but dulcinea is badder

pastel bear
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everyone watch man of la mancha NOW

mental acorn
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new damage record yippee!! 972, again with mr nights awl
hit 830 with hana ish in the same fight, md sinking really doesn't fuck around

silver osprey
copper steppe
slow raft
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(I think someone posted a leak in the comments of this tweet so prolly dont click it)

silver osprey
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Same pose as Roland too

timber sigil
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@rapid bough @idle grove Cheyanne costume

mortal iron
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Another star rail figuarts has hit the announcement

mortal iron
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As a genshin player GOD IT MAKES ME FEEL SAD SEEING THE OTHER HOYO GAMES GET COOL FIGUARTS BUT WE'RE STUCK WITH PAIMON

slow raft
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Oh hey, free jane doe skin

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Neat

mortal iron
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what new ski-

slow raft
mortal iron
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WAIT GOLDCITY HAS THE GOLDSHIP THING OF RESTRICTIVE TRAINING

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NYOOOOO

rapid bough
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it is december, the swimsuit skins will continue until morale improves

slow raft
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confirmation that jane doe is australian????

rapid bough
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holy fuck

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these rewards are cracked

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hoyo, i kneel

slow raft
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thats actually p decent for a hoyo game yea

rapid bough
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i think the key point for me is that this is the second time this year we get a free S rank agent + wengine, and this time it even includes limited selections

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and we get zhao for free too

glossy latch
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Hmmm

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I could get Qingyi for Harumasa 🤔

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Or Jane doe m1

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Also God all the more reason to get Banyue

rapid bough
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fairly sure i'm picking up jane m1 but i'll be agonizing over that wengine choice

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i've wanted koleda wengine since forever, but i feel like i have to go with one of the limited options given the chance

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burnice or qingyi sig.... hmmmmmmmmmmm

slow raft
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the only ones i dont have are qingyi and koleda
safe to say its either qingyi or a dupe for another char

glossy latch
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I'm getting Jane Does sig

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It's a bit upgrade and makes not having a physical attack dps less painful

wispy goblet
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not very free

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there's a paid event where you get rewards for spending on monos, IK, and battle pass

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that's where the selector is

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The other stuff is free tho

glossy latch
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Oh nvm

wispy goblet
rapid bough
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me reporting this twitter user for misinfo (that is twitter's mission statement)

slow raft
wispy goblet
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Just finished catching up on the stream
Free Zhao and enough mats to hit Level 40 is very nice

glossy latch
rapid bough
# wispy goblet

is this "new banner" permanent or is it just running for 2.5/new year festivities

glossy latch
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Also hot take: the Jane Doe skin is kinda meh

rapid bough
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it's free so it can be ass for all i care

wispy goblet
glossy latch
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Like even as a unabashedly fanservice outfit I don't think it works all that well

rapid bough
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jesus christ it has alice and sanby, the only two characters i'm waiting for reruns on

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i am so cooked

glossy latch
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It's like half swimsuit half stuff that looks out of place on a swimsuit

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Surely you could've gone for more of a hot pants and croptop look with those sleeves?

rapid bough
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they save those decisions for the paid skins

glossy latch
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I mean the paid skins have also been swimsuits no?

rapid bough
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and yixuan's skin

slow raft
wispy goblet
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Stand to draw prizes such as gaming consoles, figures, and Polychrome ×800!``` https://hoyo.link/jtFJX60gz?u_code=CAGU4UHHMM2K

Participate in the Zenless Zone Zero Version 2.5 pre-registration event 'Coronation of the Void Hunter' to get Polychrome ×320, in-game commemorative items, and an exclusive title! Plus, stand to draw prizes such as gaming consoles, figures, and Polychrome ×800! Log in during Versions 2.5 and 2.6 to get the S-Rank Agent Zhao for free!

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please use my prereg link so I get more stuff smile

glossy latch
rapid bough
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i have already preregged rip

glossy latch
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But yeah idk I feel like Jane Does base skin is both better designed and hotter

wispy goblet
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smh china not sharing the good stuff

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oh also
VOIDHUNTER1230 code for stuffs

rapid bough
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yixuan getting nerfed for the promo art pensivecowboybread

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also, not that it was in doubt since the 2.4 cinematic, but i do find it a bit funny they're just establishing beforehand that shunguang will officially become a void hunter in 2.5 lol

wispy goblet
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smh does china know we drink coke here too

glossy latch
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More rolls for Banyue 🥳

rapid bough
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jesus if that were a lycaon skin it would feed families

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also i just processed that jane's skin is free but shunguang's casual dress skin is paid

glossy latch
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Why does he have such a snatched waist

rapid bough
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interesting choice

rapid bough
glossy latch
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Also Ju Fufus outfit is closer to what I think Jane Does outfit should've been

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Make it a little less silly, a little more risqué and you'd have people going feral for it

rapid bough
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i assure you people are going feral for it already

slow raft
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you say that

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as if they arent going feral already

rapid bough
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the ZZZ subreddits are even more worked up than usual

glossy latch
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OK but they'd go more feral for it

wispy goblet
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lemme know when y'all have watched the story preview

rapid bough
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fastest jane enjoyer in the west

slow raft
silver osprey
wispy goblet
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apparently the HSR paid event was $200
so maybe the ZZZ event will have the same threshold

rapid bough
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🚮

wispy goblet
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oh apparently $200 assumed double monos
it was closer to $300 for final tier

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at least the selectors aren't on the final tier

digital marlin
wispy goblet
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looks like Ye Shunguang's mats will be of the new boss
understandable
unfortunately it also means I farmed these expert mats for nothing
but at least Dialyn shares the notorious mats

rapid bough
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the free selectors are gated behind spending a shitton of money deadinside

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still, the rest of the free stuff is welcome

digital marlin
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Sonuva of a bitch

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They should have gotten this shit out at black friday

wispy goblet
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apparently you can now craft S-rank w-engines

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looks like the selection lines up with the paid selector

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tryna find where I saw it
because it wasn't totally clear in the preview stream

rapid bough
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holy shit new mats to tune drive disk substats at the music shop

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obtained by trading 2 tuning calibrators for 1 of the new mat (they are also upping the acquisition rate of tuning calibrators)

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as the screenshot shows though it seems you can only tune 2 of the substat rolls at a time

digital marlin
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Similar to HSR

rapid bough
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they're updating the battle pass to give a new "w-engine microcontroller unit" material

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after you get enough of them you can exchange for an s rank wengine

wispy goblet
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I can finally get that Weeping Cradle

rapid bough
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each wengine costs 4 of the item, so 4 battle passes worth

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but you can see they're also purchasable for 60 of the A rank crafting material

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very blessed

wispy goblet
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Directly farmable
Very nice

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Wait
No
Not farmable

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But you'll get them naturally over time

rapid bough
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yeah the income is slow from i think just notorious hunt and shiyu

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(you can also recycle excess A rank engines for them)

wispy goblet
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60 is quite a lot
I don't even have 60 puzzle pieces yet

rapid bough
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i believe you acquire them at a rate of 9 per 2 weeks

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3 per notorious hunt reset (3/week), and 3 per shiyu reset (3/2 weeks)

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i have 162 of them icant

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shiyu just reset too so 165 ig

glossy latch
rapid bough
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interesting note: the currency for the new agent enhancement system (potential vision) for ellen, sanby, grace, burnice, and s11 can also be used to purchase old event-limited wengine and bangboo for those who missed them

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so that's neat

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pog new sweep function for combat sim (agent/wengine leveling mat repeatables)

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not free unfortunately, costs ether batteries (which are now craftable)

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area patrol sweep is being merged and the coupons will convert freely to ether batteries

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FINALLY auto-dismantle functionality in area patrol

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and that's basically it for the stream

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looking like a very good update

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holy shit

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SHE'S OUR VERY OWN UMA MUSUME

rapid bough
runic ether
rapid bough
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f2p seems to only be able to get them from exchanging 60 wengine chips (the A rank crafting material)

glossy latch
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I should have 240 tho

rapid bough
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they're earned at a fairly low fixed rate

glossy latch
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Fingers crossed

rapid bough
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i "only" have 165

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i've done some crafting here and there tho

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also i forgot you can buy 6 from the outpost shop per month too

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so from what i know:

  • 3 per notorious hunt reset (3/week)
  • 3 per shiyu reset (3/two weeks)
  • 6 per outpost reset (6/month or four weeks)

all told, average to something like 24 per month

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wait shit

glossy latch
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Don't tell me it's limited

rapid bough
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is it over...

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this could just mean "1 for 60" though

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not "only 1 in stock"

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praying for the former, gonna check currently active shops for a point of comparison

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current shop example

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limited stuff has the "left this month" notice, though idk if this new wengine shop resets per month

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unlimited says "unlimited" under it

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idk what that chinese text underneath the x1 is, but it doesn't look like a "left this month 1" which i'd expect to see a number for

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can't get any image translation to work either since it's too low res

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but i gotta believe it means "unlimited" and we're safe

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from later in the stream, this is what "limited x1" looks like in chinese

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so i'm pretty sure the s rank wengine "crafting" mat isn't limited

wispy goblet
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ZZZCREATOR25

wispy goblet
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Singing virtually with @AlainaWis is a joy in of itself! 😊 Enjoy "Merry Christmas, Happy New Year" with the singing vocals of Zhu Yuan and Nicole Demara's English VA's. 🎄❄️

We act AND we sing. 😉
#zhuyuan #nicoledemara #zzz #zenlesszonezero

https://youtu.be/unmbHFYJBak

Alaina Wis (English VA for Zhu Yuan in Zenless Zone Zero) and Nadia Marshall (English VA for Nicole Demara in Zenless Zone Zero) sing "Merry Christmas, Happy New Year"

Originally sung by Ingrid Michaelson and Zooey Deschanel. (This is a cover of the duet. We do not claim to hold rights to the original song.)

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rapid bough
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20 extra wengine chips after dismantling A rank dupes i don't need

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(or at least i hope i don't need them)

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surely i don't need two 5* vaults or replica starlight or roaring rides...

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i think the only A rank dupe i kept (besides ones i already had at 5* like my two weeping gemini) was kaboom

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i have 3 brimstones and i'm still debating whether to keep them separate or combine into one 3*

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with everything i need to pull next patch, i might send it with 3* brimstone for shunguang instead of going for her wengine

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i do still have a guarantee to cash in after losing the 75/25 on dialyn's sig though...

mental acorn
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alright onto the final boss of canto 8 ||steve harvey kill dot gif||

slow raft
glossy latch
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Just 28 more pulls to hard pity

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Yeah I think Banyue is doable

slow raft
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Also, i went back to the last poll ane found an absolutely fascinating specimen

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I was really tempted to argue with them just to try and find out how their brain works

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Like, what kind of person is like "this is the best story ever" and when pressed for reasons goes "well it has the best wives, it has the most wives, many people are saying this"

glossy latch
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Correction 27 pulls

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God this is taking forever 😔

mental acorn
slow raft
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Bro hasnt read the 100 girlfriends who really really really love you yet

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Ahhh, an agartha liker, now it all makes sense

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I would ask how you could possibly think limbus has a bad story when agartha is good enough from your point of view but this person hasnt even trued limbus and already cast thier judgement so

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Btw, when nikke was losing to fgo:

runic ether
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unsure if mentally ill or high effort trolling

slow raft
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I so desperately want to engage with them but i know that embarassing them in the couet of public opinion wont bring me any joy so instead i think ill do somethi g productive with my time

old galleon
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the evergreen question: bait or just stupid?

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looks like both

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i'll openly admit i think i'd prefer fgo's story over what i've seen of limbus', but agartha is 100% not the argument i'd make for it, and that's just for starters

slow raft
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Simply not something born out of a healthy mind

old galleon
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(also fgo being good doesn't make limbus bad and people can like it just fine)

rapid bough
slow raft
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Limbus

rapid bough
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it's definitely not a titan of the industry but it's hardly unknown lol

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feel like anyone even moderately into gachas would've heard of it

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especially a story elitist like this guy claims to be

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but honestly

slow raft
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How are you deep into gachas and have never heard about limbus, limbus company fans are some of the most obnoxious motherfuckers ever and constantly mention their game at every opportunity

rapid bough
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the biggest red flag is that they'd think any gacha story, from FGO to limbus to whatever, ranks among the best in gaming

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gacha games are such a fundamentally flawed medium for telling a coherent overarching story

runic ether
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depending on how they stick the landing, i can see limbus being in consideration for games in general. project moon's writing is great as a whole as shown with library of ruina

old galleon
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i wouldn't necessarily say a gacha's story can't be up there in terms of overall gaming stories

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but they do have a much higher hurdle to clear

runic ether
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if limbus is dragged out, it will def lose its luster

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but if they know when to shelve it, im sure it'll come out quite good as a game not a gacha

slow raft
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I wouldnt say fundamentally flawed but certainly it brings alot of downsides with it in the way its usually implemented

rapid bough
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as an RPG enjoyer before i was a gacha enjoyer, i struggle to imagine any world where a gacha game tops dedicated RPGs

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obviously there's a continuum for both, a good gacha game can beat out bad RPGs for instance

slow raft
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Most of the time its not the story aspecr of gachas that bring it down though, but rather the gameplay

rapid bough
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and hell a great gacha game story can prboably get up there even when paired against well regarded RPGs

late canopy
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Gacha is just live service games, it doesn't inherently restrict the stories told in them all to be told in a same way

rapid bough
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i won't pretend to have experienced the height of the medium in ZZZ and nikke lol

runic ether
rapid bough
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nor in proper story-focused single player games for that matter

slow raft
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Like if we took into consideration gameplay too and not just story, i dont think i could put fgo in my top 3 even

old galleon
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au contraire, any cultured nikke fan will tell you that its opening is peak cinema : ^)

rapid bough
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to be clear i'm not considering gameplay for my assessment at all

slow raft
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I do agree that live service elements can bring down the quality of storytelling immensly

late canopy
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I will wear my bias on my sleeve and bring up Uma, because the majority of its stories (Mainly the individual career stories for each character) are self-contained and have beginning and ends instead of being prisoner of live service story updates

rapid bough
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i think the nature of being live service and the need to constantly push out new content, promote new characters, etc. railroads you in certain ways that aren't conducive to establishing a concise narrative with a beginning, middle, and ending like the best stories are supposed to have

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like you say "maybe if limbus sticks the landing and isn't drawn out it could rank up there with the best"

slow raft
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Rushed products are usually bad and if you have a schedule to keep you simply cannot get enough time to properly create sometimes

rapid bough
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but how long has limbus been going now

slow raft
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2 and a half years i wanna say

glossy latch
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Honestly I think its mostly the "having to promote new characters" part that really messes with storytelling

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Constant updates arent neccessarily a problem

runic ether
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limbus doesnt really deal with that issue

glossy latch
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Since thats kinda how manga operates and manga can have good storytelling

slow raft
runic ether
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thanks to sticking to a core cast

rapid bough
glossy latch
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In case anyone wants to help me get Banyue maybe

rapid bough
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already preregged sadly

glossy latch
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Thanks OwO

late canopy
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I don't even play ZZZ lol

rapid bough
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based

slow raft
runic ether
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that is not my goat

slow raft
rapid bough
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they are most guilty of overrating the opening sequence

runic ether
rapid bough
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it's pretty bog standard, all things considered

slow raft
rapid bough
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it might hit harder if the bond with marian was given time to grow

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but as-is i think it's mostly just a tonesetter

slow raft
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There is no way they are hyping up the most generic chapter 0 of a gacha ever

rapid bough
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well like

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i think the glazing comes from the fact that a lot of people, myself included, get hooked onto the game because of the fanservice (we know what we like)

old galleon
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ye, i ignore the opening glazers tbh

rapid bough
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and then they play the opening chapters and it's like "oh we were just forced to stone cold kill a very sweet character"

old galleon
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it's a good opening and certainly helped me get invested in teh game

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but like

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it's not the best thing ever

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like you said, the time with marian before you-know-what isn't very long

rapid bough
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it's a solid "in medias res" opening but it definitely isn't out here making me cry like some people claim it did to them lol

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not enough time to get emotional about it

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it sets the tone and establishes the initial stakes well, it's a competent enough opening

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but it's not even close to the best the game has to offer

late canopy
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Personally Ive always liked judging stories based on how naturally they sweep my emotions away

old galleon
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current event is a prety good example, for me anyway

late canopy
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Like I actively try not to analyze it and just go along for the ride because I know if a story is able to make me emotional, then it is doing something very right

old galleon
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others might disagree but i think it did well

late canopy
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It doesn't need to be good "on paper"

rapid bough
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i agree, i almost never overanalyze as i experience and just let it take me for the ride

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and this might be a hot take or sad to admit

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but i find it easier to engage/immerse myself in stories when there is a little bit (or a lot a bit) of allowance to self-insert

late canopy
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Action shonen is one of my favorite genres for this reason

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The bombastic emotions

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They are very good at taking you along with them

late canopy
rapid bough
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across nikke, ZZZ, etc i see various discussions about whether the obvious self-insert narrative is good or bad

late canopy
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One of the key things that a story can do to sell me or completely fail me

rapid bough
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obviously it has its problems, and some crazies take it waaaaaaaaaaaaay too far

late canopy
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Is convince me that the characters care about what is happening

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That sometimes coincides with self insert cuz character care = I care

rapid bough
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but some of my favorite moments in experiencing the nikke story were ones where i had basically subconsciously immersed myself in the POV character and was basically reacting like i think they would've (or were actively doing so)

late canopy
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I think the best parts of the Blue Archive story is good for this same reason

slow raft
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I prefer main characters to be their well defined own personalities

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But i also dont mind a blank slate you can project onto

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However

rapid bough
slow raft
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Indotn want a weird mishmash of the two

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That haooens so often in gachas

rapid bough
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nikke's best events are usually ones that don't even involve the commander for instance

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old tales hits extremely hard with no MC presence at all

slow raft
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Where i am meant to self insert and suddenly the character has opinions of their own and makes choices complwtely contrary to my own

rapid bough
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nikke is unfortunately increasingly guilty of this

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commander has some of the most inconsistent writing there is lol

slow raft
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Stick to one of the two please

rapid bough
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fortunately he is mostly an observer so it doesn't affect too much

late canopy
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I like Blue Archive's sensei MC self-insert mainly because I don't think he directly solves anyone's problems from scratch on their own but rather lets the other characters come to terms with the fact that they were able to do it themselves all along

runic ether
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i can rarely get into self-inserting because if the self-insert displays any sort of opinion, i am almost always immediately shoved out of the role because i will always say "i would literally never do this."

rapid bough
slow raft
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I know its mostly done to appease the gooners who delude themself that all the female characters they pull are their wives (like the twitter user that dtarted this conversation) but i dont think its necessary or good

rapid bough
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i'm not sure what you mean, evelyn chevalier is literally my wife

slow raft
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Yoooo

runic ether
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and with forced romantically charged scenes, i get that the most overall. i would never go on a date with someone like firefly for instance, but hsr was insistent that we go on multiple. i wouldnt be acting as close with vivian as the proxies do.

rapid bough
slow raft
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Youre Astra? Can you sign my record?

summer hornet
runic ether
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i can somewhat accept vivian tho and zzz as a whole because it does go out of its way to give the proxies a personality

summer hornet
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Fix It Fic, Character Bashing, and BAMF Character

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A trio of tags unlike any other

rapid bough
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tbh they maintain the same sort of close, primarily strictly friendly relationship with basically everyone

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it's the agents that are aggressive toward them lol

runic ether
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my problem with vivian is moreso how i'd react in the shoes of the proxies once she knows who we are. i'd cut that shit out immediately

rapid bough
rapid bough
runic ether
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yeahhh trigger def crosses lines i would also ask to cut that shit out that said, being an illegal proxy i can accept it from a "well, i need the government to know im not gonna act out."

rapid bough
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except for i think her third trust event

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when she very openly gets jealous just because she sees the proxy talking to some other agents lol

runic ether
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yeah that one was pretty bad

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tho even just the fangirl shit, i would have cut that shit off immediately.

rapid bough
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highkey the only character i think the proxies have canonically expressed much interest in is venus

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which honestly? entirely fair, she is precious

runic ether
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and ik why they keep the proxies (and agent age as a whole) off the record, because there are ways to view them as a lot older than someone like vivian

rapid bough
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since everyone is an astra enjoyer

runic ether
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so better not to touch ages and shit

rapid bough
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oh yeah the age setup in ZZZ is entirely built on plausible deniability lmao

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MCs could feasibly be anywhere from 18 to 30, as could most of the agents

slow raft
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18 year old lycanon would be so funny

runic ether
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cus vivi doesnt read older than 18. and i cant stop seeing the proxies as being among the older of the cast due to a ton of evidence we've had such as their business license renewal back in the 1.3 event iirc, and then how they have vivid memories of the fall of the old capital. they'd be older than astra and eve

rapid bough
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there are definitely some who are verifiably on the older end of the spectrum (upper 20s low 30s) like trigger and yanagi

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and definitely a few who are clearly on the younger end like vivi, ellen, corin, lucy

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but the middle ground of the 20s is very murky

slow raft
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Yanagi is actually 14 years old, she just looks a bit older due to stress

runic ether
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ik this is a reference to something but idk what

rapid bough
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she seems to have timey wimey powers too so i believe it

runic ether
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i've seen that excuse before

slow raft
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I was thinking of this meme honestly

rapid bough
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anyway while ZZZ's proxy MCs do have their own motivations and arc, the game usually makes it easy enough to forget that they're effectively self-inserts lol. especially wise

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ofc part of that is the fault of the story which hasn't progressed the carole arna stuff in centuries

runic ether
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they def have enough going on between them

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i do like the lore blurbs of the siblings passing the agents around like blunts and talking to each other about it such as when belle says she has to tell wise about yidhari's tentacles when they next hang out

slow raft
runic ether
rapid bough
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the livestream did say we'll get some more carole breadcrumbs in 2.5

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only to not hear anything more probably until 3.0

runic ether
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def one of hoyo's weakest parts of how they handle story is how long they take to develop some things

rapid bough
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still waiting for the setup with vivian's prophecy to pay off

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i know god damn well that isn't resolved and they haven't forgotten about it

runic ether
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yeah they keep bringing up the phaethon (irl legend) symbolism more but i do need them to get into it more

rapid bough
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it's one of the best things they've set up so far and fits in so well with the surrounding mythological roots based on how the proxies are acting more bold and going into hollows now and shit

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whatever timey wimey bullshit they seem to be setting up with the hollows will probably play into it

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there's so much subtle setup happening that i know hoyo isn't just beating around the bush like it seems they are with these 2.x chapters

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but the way 2.x has played out is like a microcosm of how the gacha system can limit storytelling

rapid bough
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whether self-insert or not, it definitely seems like gacha games are gravitating more toward "everyone loves the MC" (either hinted romantically or strong friends)

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and it's a whole lot more believable when the MC is actually taking an active role in solving their problems lol

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even if it's just providing the support necessary for them to solve it themselves

glossy latch
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Oh yeah I wanted to check how many engine mats I have

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Hopefully enough

rapid bough
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at a rate of 24/month since release if you were doing everything, 240 by now is definitely achievable

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but that also assumes no crafting along the way

glossy latch
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149

rapid bough
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i like it too but it does limit storytelling too, to bring it back to the earlier discussion

glossy latch
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Aw dangit

late canopy
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As in I like it moreso than the MC being Jesus who solves the problems for them completely

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Instead of just guiding them

rapid bough
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ah true, though i do think that sorta comes with the territory of most of these games since the MC is rarely the one taking the reins on any given issue, they often play that supporting role

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since the gameplay is always focused on the characters rather than the MC

late canopy
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(I wouldn't have minded being pinged for that, I was lucky I decided to pop back in the chat at this very moment lol)

rapid bough
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in ZZZ the agents are the combatants, in nikke the commander is useless against raptures and the nikkes do all the work, etc

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seems pretty rare for MCs these days to be the literal jesus type that solves every problem

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at least, in gachas

old galleon
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another eden's mc is definitely heavily involved in a lot of the various character stories

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and while some of those end up being pretty good in their own right

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i find that some of my favorites are the few that dont' actually include him

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the melissa one in particular is still quite memorable for me

rapid bough
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with my experience in nikke, there have been great chapters with heavy commander involvement and great chapters without him, though i'd estimate there are more great chapters without him than with him lol

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none of the anni events feature him and several of those are absolute bangers

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tbh the only chapters that i think really benefitted from commander involvement were 22-24 (rapture attack, crow, etc)

old galleon
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everything superfluous shall be banished from paradise

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rip commander

runic ether
rapid bough
old galleon
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they say it takes a village to raise a child, but having her daddy there doesn't hurt

rapid bough
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daddy, mommy, and four crazy aunts

old galleon
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you've got trust issues, gullible, conversationalist, and the personification of the dunning-kruger effect

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what could go wrong?

rapid bough
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couldn't go worse than marian becoming a drunken perverted bad cook under pioneer

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...right?

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"bad cook" probably undersells it heavily too, poor crown/chime/kilo

slow raft
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thinking of self insert main characters, im so glad that dante is clearly their own person (even if they do the amnesia sthick) amkes all those people who insist that they are not only a self insert but also male even more laughable.
like specifically there are people who claim that dante is not only not nonbinary, they always claim them as male ("becuase dante is a guys name" clueless )

runic ether
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wait till they find out about ishmael's name

slow raft
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my favourite male character

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harold

wispy goblet
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are we gonna make a server guild for zzz

runic ether
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sure

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we discussed it with the leaks back in 2.2 iirc?

wispy goblet
#

I wonder if there will be an optimal way to share farming commissions

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since people who do them are rewarded
is it optimal to post all your farming and do each other's farming as commissions

glossy latch
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Oh I still have a bunch of agent stories left to do

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Ok I should get Banyue, now its just a question of how long it takes and how annoying the stories are to do

wispy goblet
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thanks friendship

old galleon
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social credit said "vesti? here's the original"

pastel bear
paper spoke
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Nature be healing

mental acorn
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had to run 8-33 back bc my laptop bluescreened but it is done

copper steppe
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i think everyone who says that gacha game protags are not self inserts are factually incorrect, if you select dialogue are a part of the story and you can name yourself whatever you want it is in theory placing yourself in the protagonist shoes regardless if they shown different personality

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arknights doctor is a good example, they are a vital part of the world of tera and has been shown to do stuff when not in the players control but they can still interact with the characters as a means of immersion.
Its simply what a rpg means, you are role playing where’s the shame in that

pastel bear
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self insert =/= viewpoint character

slow raft
mental acorn
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seeing a lot of "winner gets custody of mayors" comments on the poll

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good shit

mortal iron
old galleon
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can he also give me a thousand gold moons?

rapid bough
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oh sweet shiyu reset is short this time around, it resets when 2.5 drops so it can use the new system ASAP

idle grove
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holy

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this is such a good slander post

pastel bear
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unfortunately they're glazing FGO so I need to dock it points

rapid bough
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75% of it is hating on wuthering waves lol

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paging ovven

runic ether
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the slander posts are crazy

glossy latch
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Sadly they seem to be meaning it seriously

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Also hyping up Blue Archive smh

runic ether
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when even ppl hype up ba over wuwa icant

idle grove
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I do hear a lot of people say BA has a good story

pastel bear
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if I did this post I'd be glazing Limbus and Arknights and then slandering FGO

glossy latch
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Anyway WuWas story is alright

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It's not great but it's also the only one I'm still actually playing when the patch comes out lmao

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Worldbuilding is really fun tho

idle grove
rapid bough
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trying to set up my team comps for shiyu 7 i'm just now remembering a feature that i'm tilted hoyo hasn't implemented yet

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fucking saved disk drive sets for easy swapping

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i have two sets to use on yanagi (one for mono-shock and one for disorder) and switching between them is such a PITA

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hoyo please give us loadouts

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man i haven't had a good team for the electric+phys weak jester ever since its release

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in 2.5 if i can get alice and/or sanby to come home... i may finally be able to kill it in sub-2min

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...or shunguang, it occurs to me she would work too lol

idle grove
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oc4 1000 sq quest ends today fuck my chungus life

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this is my curse for not playing the game

slow raft
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wait, is that on na?

idle grove
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jp

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i just haven't played fgo in so long

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so this is entirely my fault but it's still annoying

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if I saw this like a day ago it'd be fine

summer hornet
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It hasn't even been announced for NA

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How far are you rn, Aeri?

copper steppe
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actually did you finish lostbelt 6?

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i remember something about someone here not finishing it

idle grove
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I'm cooked, basically

summer hornet
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y i k e s

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I might actually be further than you, and I haven't finished OC1 yet

idle grove
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yeah I dropped fgo hard

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but I also haven't found a gacha game to replace it really

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gfl2 is the closest thing I have

summer hornet
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I mean... obligatory reminder that you don't need to find a gacha replacement

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Plenty of discussions have been had about the inherent limitations of the free-to-play live service model

idle grove
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true lmao

idle grove
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but seeing everything about oc4 and the end of part 2 has made me want to come back to fgo

summer hornet
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I don't blame you, I'm the same (and I'm on NA)

idle grove
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this is one of the things that did it for me ngl

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I truly forgot how peak fgo was

summer hornet
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Yeah

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saw a certain Yugioh-focused streamer playing FGO Part 1 finale last week and was like "dang. That was genuinely a life-changing memory"

idle grove
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too much of my life is type moon pilled for me to drop it

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started fgo on release and played it until oc1 basically

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which is probably why I dropped it for a while because when you play something that long a break is definitely required

summer hornet
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Burnout is inevitable, unless you pace yourself / are allowed to pace yourself

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(another nasty trick of the long running live service model, but one that FGO had mostly been better with than contemporaries)

wispy goblet
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Hearing that the spending thresholds for the ZZZ paid event are $40 for the w-engine and $60 for the character

idle grove
summer hornet
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Could always just start working through the story now

idle grove
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yeah that's what I'm doing

summer hornet
idle grove
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oh great the slander posts are spreading on my twitter

summer hornet
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...I liked Ch'en summer...

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man I know it's not the point

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and the post is kinda funny

slow raft
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honestly chen summer is p neat even if i dont like her e2

summer hornet
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but since last year my blood is boiling more and more consistently with this stuff

old galleon
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did i miss something

mental acorn
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pozy likes durins

summer hornet
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fandom made it creepier, imo

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pretty sure it was that she grew up with durins and saw herself as one or something

paper spoke
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Hoyoverse managing to sell the exact same game 3 times is just next level galaxy brain

pastel bear
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it's good but incredibly overrated

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oh right I forgot to tell regi

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@summer hornet I beat LB6, I thought it was good but incredibly overrated

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very good by FGO standards though

copper steppe
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wow thats a shocking answer

pastel bear
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band for band I think Limbus has moved me more personally

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and inspired a deeper love for literature

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it's gotten me to read more poetry

copper steppe
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no offense but i think you have a bias

pastel bear
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we are all biased

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it came free with your state of being

copper steppe
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im starting to believe that limbus is just fate but inclined for gay people

runic ether
#

?

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fate is inclined heavily for gay people

pastel bear
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I'm also only half-gay

copper steppe
runic ether
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in just stay night, saber is posed as a woman who played the role of a man and prevented herself from maturing for the sake of a kingdom. and rin has sex with her. theres levels of queer in this alone that blow out more than 3 bisexuals

pastel bear
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to be fair, fate also has annoying straight harem fans

runic ether
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theres everything between waver and iskandar... a ton of subtext with gil and kotomine

copper steppe
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rin literally doesn’t have sex, saber has sex with shirou and she thinks its hot

runic ether
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gilgamesh and enkidou is something i've seen and their scene in strange fake is a pretty clear cut homo case

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mordred... as a whole

pastel bear
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caenis

runic ether
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astolfo, for however bad ppl are about him, is a pretty fantastic showcase of gender nonconforming expression genuinely. i wish it was elaborated on more but thats p good.

copper steppe
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i don’t think astolfo himself think of it

pastel bear
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pretty sure takeru from samurai remnant is androgynous/nb as well

runic ether
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saber right?

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yeah i've been playing the game

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its never stated

pastel bear
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intentionally only referred to with they/them pronouns

runic ether
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the fate series is heavily queer and there are too many to count to say "its not a significant theme"

copper steppe
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no takeru is mentioned as woman and man but doesn’t bother to correct it

runic ether
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im sure fgo is a lot more explicit with their characters too

copper steppe
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no no its is not

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i assure you that

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if it was mordred wouldn’t be in a swinsuit

runic ether
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im def having a hard time believing that if u could only clock 3 characters in fate as bi. which is fine. i dont expect non-queer ppl from noticing. but excuse me for not believing you.

pastel bear
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clock...

runic ether
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danteh...

copper steppe
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you can literally ask anyone else, but i saying without any ill intent whatsoever that it doesnt

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caenis is the only one i can imagine but even them they are called a woman

slow raft
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Alot of characters express their appreachiation for the beauty of both men and women

pastel bear
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Nasu and TM have created canonically gay characters in the past (Mahoyo) so it's definitely not something alien to them

slow raft
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You dlnt exactly see someone have gay and straight sex on sxreen or straight up look at the camera and say "i am bisexual" but there are a plethora of character who at the very least dont care abiut the gender of their partner

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Like remember all the shit nero says

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And thats as early as septem

copper steppe
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i thjnk only nero can fit that example

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oh and iskandar

pastel bear
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also what about Morgan

slow raft
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Im certain mebd also counts

runic ether
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gilgamesh is gay as fuck

slow raft
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And, even though only through technicality, all the characters attracted to fujimaru ritsuka

runic ether
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this man is not content being a fruit hes a whole ass basket

pastel bear
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gilgamesh is a misogynist bi disaster that man is a freak

copper steppe
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since she has the cu obsession and everything

slow raft
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Shes not just obsessed with just cu though

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Shell fuck anyone, and thats not even counting her np

slow raft
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gilgamesh actually cannot handle allat I need him dead now

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copper steppe
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i don’t want to touch limbus because its a gacha more than anything

summer hornet
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There is an inherent logic break there, for the record

copper steppe
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no its because don’t want to play more gachas

summer hornet
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Gotcha, that's completely understandable

slow raft
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Totally fair

pastel bear
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you know what's not a gacha game?

runic ether
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goated game

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goated protagonist

copper steppe
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i genuinely want to play runia

slow raft
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Its a pretty good game

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I think misty can also attest that you dont need to play lob corp before starting it

runic ether
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correct

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its good standalone

slow raft
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It was hoenstly kinda interesting to see youe perspective on it as you played through the game

runic ether
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there was def some elements enhanced due to knowing the city from limbus

copper steppe
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these days i would much prefer to play standalone games than live services

slow raft
pastel bear
copper steppe
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there was a sale like back in september or october i wanna say but i was playing ff7 rebirth at that time

slow raft
pastel bear
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yes

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well

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I finished lobcorp before ruina

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but I started ruina first

slow raft
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Yea misty didnt so her perspective was without the knowledge of those events, which is vastly different from my experience

pastel bear
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I still can't believe those bastards got me to buy ruina at full price because I couldn't wait for a sale

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best 30 bucks I've ever spent

summer hornet
# copper steppe no offense but i think you have a bias
  • P3 (IDK what else to call you), you are in fact inherently biased against Project Moon. And that's fair, because this chat has definitely been slowly but steadily converted to PM propaganda. And sometimes it's annoying AF. Look at the rise in vexation against Expedition 33, and previous year Game Awards winners.

  • Fate is not a series primarily written by queer people (to our knowledge, unless Nasu is genuinely Takeuchi's secret wife). But it is definitely still a series with themes that resonate strongly with queer audiences (including but far from limited to just myself), so calling Limbus "Fate but for queer people" is one hell of a misnomer. Mordred still counts, Xu Fu exists. Even if Morgan is roundabout self-insert shipping, she and Saber still apply. D'eon's entire existence. Mary Anning. I can and could go on.

runic ether
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project moon fans? annoying? i dont know what you're talking about

summer hornet
summer hornet
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But still. I'm really glad you enjoyed it

pastel bear
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I think what LB6 does great is breaking up the formula FGO devolved into after a point where it was like

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"you thought the last guy was bad? I'm high complex outerversal, with my Literary Reference Beam I will obliterate you and your friends because I'm so strong and muscular"
"master there is no way out of this one we are fucked"
"hey my name is Deus Ex Machina, my ability is to Deus Ex Machina, the playing field is now leveled enjoy a shitty 60-turn bossfight"

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I do enjoy Aesc/Morgan's story a lot and it was pretty refreshing

pastel bear
summer hornet
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Zeus never made it to rateup...

pastel bear
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YET

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I think my favorite moment in the entire game is still Arash's moment from the sixth singularity

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the movie helps out tremendously but even within the game the narrative of a man like Arash overcoming Artoria's ambition is sweet and the exact type of pathos and beauty that can come from the concept of Fate

summer hornet
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I'll concede that the scope of FGO Part 2 has been pretty extreme (though calling it 'high complex outerversal literary reference beam' is a highly gross reductionism, even before I consider the Limbus irony here)

But ig I'll just ask, how do you define a Deus Ex Machina- how much can a Deus Ex Machina be foreshadowed before it's no longer a DEM?

Musashi coming in to slash the (not a) wooly mammoth was first suggested like half a year before. LB4 spent its whole time deliberately circumventing the black box to be able to make it pay off at the end of the chapter, with the emotional throughline of Jinako's lonely cycles. One could argue that LB5 even broke DEM by having Super Orion face Artemis ahead of time and having us fight an Immature Beast. The closest thing to a DEM in LB3 was QSH being mindblown by the existence of a phone as proof of humanity's need to be individualistic

pastel bear
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well lemme give FGO some credit and list an example of what I think they've done well, just to compare

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||I think what they've done in OC has been really cool, the duels with Galahad and Not!Solomon are what I consider to be the best ways to go about the usual "formula"||

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I think the more proactive and important Mash and Master end up being, the better

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of course in order to do this we'd probably have to give the FGO MC a personality

copper steppe
# summer hornet - P3 (IDK what else to call you), you are in fact inherently biased against Proj...

i state it as bias because the name of a series was thrown without any corelation to the talk whatsoever, because in a situation where you want to critque a media, you would want to create a argument then use a franchise as a point of reference. my problem is not the subject its how its used, and it almost feels its used as propaganda, as you have as much said.

fate interacts with the concepts of gender well enough, but as far as themes related to sexuality goes it is so dissapointly shallow that i genuinely believe its not even a afterthought for the writers, D’eon is poorly executed nonbinary rep because agartha exists. and xu fusexuality is treated as a gag not only that but if you can consider the “mc sexual” modus operandi of the game, it has an exception to them. hell achilles, a very famous example of homosexuality (or at least implication, if you are “they were roomates” type of person), never even mention patroclus and is implied to feel attraction to atalante.
it somehow exists in a state of stasis that it doesn’t know how to proceed with those theme or explictly say that they are in fact not straight. as such i cannot in good faith say that fate represent the queer community well.

pastel bear
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well it's not propaganda I'm just referencing a game series that's changed my life in a very real and very positive way

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FGO LB6 was and still is a story that's been heralded by many people within the community as a really transcendent work of fiction and the apex of gacha stories

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I had expectations set that it would move me in the way it's moved others but it was simply a very entertaining story

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Limbus Company, being a gacha game, has stories too and those stories can be compared and contrasted to LB6 since both are contained within gacha games

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I find FGO to be very "meatheaded", to put it lightly, its allusions to fiction range from a pleasant tribute to a cool and niche work of fiction (Taigong Wang) to an extremely offensive and ignorant take on a very important and foundational figure in literature (Roland)

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what good writing there is to take away from the game I've found to be few and far between, sidelined in favor of the gacha machine

slow raft
# pastel bear I had expectations set that it would move me in the way it's moved others but it...

I think there is certainly something to be said about gacha fandoms and oberhyping their stories. Obviously fgo fans hyping up lb6 like the second coming of christ does it a bit of a disservice, but i cant say that other fandoms arent also guilty of that, limbus especially. Like if after all the people telling you that limbus story is amazing you started the game now and then dropped it before you finished canto 1, i couldnt even blame you all that much, because even if i like it and think it sets the groundwork nicely, i cant say with a straight face that its that much better than the singularities that come before camelot.
The same is true for the widely acclaimed arknights, a new player still has to slog through the admttedly subpar opening acts to get to the gems.
This slow start is true for many games but for gachas especially it seems to be more common and pronounced while also having fanbases that are more fantaic and tribalistic

slow raft
pastel bear
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which is what happened to me with roland yeah

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and the whiplash of playing Ruina cemented it even further

slow raft
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I know yami also despises the fate series for what it has done to the indian pantheon

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(Or atleast thats one of the factors)

pastel bear
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Saber for me was the biggest hit they've ever had and she will always be my goat

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I similarly hate how they adapted Nero and people waifu'ing the Antichrist makes me cringe

slow raft
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Like, theyve stayed away from big J but basically all other religions are fair game and while some people enjoy the fate series takes on their deities, obviously this isnt true for everyone

pastel bear
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they're lucky they're too cowardly to touch Jesus because their skin would ignite on contact like a vampire in sunlight

slow raft
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There was also the Wandjina fiasco recenty where im p sure youre like
Not suppossed to portray them or something among those lines?
And making a (excuse the language) waifu out of a figure like that to sell to people is really tonedeaf imo

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This has evolved into a bit of an fgo bashing tanget huh

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Ultimately i do think theres some genuinely exceptional storytelling in fgo but it is also a game that has had several different writers and has continued for over a decade, so these inconsitencies are only natural. Im able to not get too attached to things and enjoy it for what is. Ignoring the truly bad parts while savouring the fantastic ones. But that is not something you should expect everyone to do.

pastel bear
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it is a shame because outside of FGO there are some amazing moments and ideas

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King Arthur being so well-known that he's become a universal mediator for humanity summoned by a bunch of fucking Aliens is genuine peak

runic ether
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tbh, i do enjoy a lot of the non-combat aspects of the fate series and their writing

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so it being a video game/gacha does feel weird to me

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like i think of how the series would capture something like el meloi's case files into a video game... and i draw a bit of a blank (visual novel not included here)

pastel bear
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saber has had such a profound impact on my existence that she's why I have gender dysphoria

slow raft
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You could probably make a banger game just focusing on the magic system without any combat

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Like a cultist sim-esque game set in the nasuverse sounds like peak

runic ether
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and dont get me wrong: i have been liking samurai remnant

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but it is definitely not as...

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maybe pure?

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of an experience?

pastel bear
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it's not helped by the lack of depth in the gameplay

slow raft
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At the end of the day, the holy grail war is dimply the thing about fate that fans like the most

pastel bear
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if it was a proper character action game then it would've been peak

slow raft
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"There must be a war with servants clashing or it wont sell" is likely the srance of type moon and i cant really fault them for that

runic ether
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and i dont mind that too much

slow raft
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Eveb if i would like a cultist sim clocktower or a point and click adventure game with waver

runic ether
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for instance, the anime of lord el meloi's conflict towards the end is the fact that, yeah waver covets another chance at iskandar

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and, the case files wouldnt hit for me if i hadnt seen their fight

pastel bear
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they should make a visual novel based off all of this stuff, I think that'd be really interesting

slow raft
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Speaking of visual novels it is the holy night soon ive heard

pastel bear
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you all should read mahoyo it has someone undergo a gay awakening because they got their ass beat so hard

summer hornet
mental acorn
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so true

slow raft
slow raft
mental acorn
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honestly quite incredible, as they say

rapid bough
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i owe an apology to limbus for being sure that FGO would win it all

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i was unfamiliar with its game

pastel bear
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it's so good

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I apologize if it gets annoying but the story really is different

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you can really tell Kim really loved reading books when he was younger just by the way some of these cantos play out

runic ether
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its actually so peak as a story

glossy latch
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Only 10 more rolls for soft pity

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Banyue is coming home (probably)

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No signature is gonna suck tho

wispy goblet
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The upcoming event w-engine should be good for him

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So you won't have to endure Puzzle Sphere

glossy latch
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Oh thank god

digital marlin
slow raft
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Unc still got it (cleaning up some is3 missions)

wispy goblet
digital marlin
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Wait what is this?

runic ether
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polychrome total for 2.5

wispy goblet
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Allegedly 115 pulls for F2P in 2.5

rapid bough
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i think i have about 160 right now counting my residual signal savings

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but i haven't done any of the events other than golden mecha yet so still a lot of polys to claim

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hoping to go into 2.5 with around 200 pulls and then i'm not f2p either so 138 is what i can expect

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and with those pulls i want to get shunguang, sanby, and alice

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and potentially one or more of their wengines if i can afford them

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since after this is the very likely the idols who i don't want, nor are there any reruns i immediately want, so i can save up for a bit

glossy latch
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Well Im gonna be trying for a rerun next patch

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If I get Banyue

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And after that I can save up for another 4 patches until they release another male character pensivecowboybread

timber sigil
idle grove
timber sigil
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Damn Maki, Daiyan, Klukai and Groza be jealous

slow raft
runic ether
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freak quixote...

silver osprey
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FINALLY

wispy goblet
old galleon
wispy goblet
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some more pull estimates for 2.5

glossy latch
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I found some extra polychromes I might be able to get

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... Arpeggio Fault

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😔

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I hope it doesnt come to that

glossy latch
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4 more rolls to soft pity

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Soon™

runic ether
slow raft
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Been having a grand time in the new IS

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In fact i had so much fun that i went back to old is modes to clean up tasks so i can e2 operators to use in the new one

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Both exu alter and yu were an absolute blast to play when i borrowed them

silver osprey
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Already at level 45 in IS

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Raidian is a monster

slow raft
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True

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Im like level 39

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One more op to e2 and then ill continue with is6 methinks

silver osprey
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So far I feel like special squad is the best

slow raft
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Chat, who here should get e2 next

silver osprey
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Bc you start with 5 fodder + raidian + another 6*

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(Tragodia)

silver osprey
slow raft
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Ig having another dps in the madic ticket would be neat

slow raft
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Suddenly new dad

silver osprey
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She escaped the NPC jail finally

late canopy
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It hasn't even been that long

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I wasn't expecting her until one of the half annis

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5 at the soonest

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This is a very big surprise drop for me

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And not to mention the second 1.5x 3* rate banner in the same month

slow raft
slow raft
glossy latch
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2 more rolls to soft pity

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Please dont make me do Arpeggio Fault

slow raft
rapid bough
glossy latch
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True!

rapid bough
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kind of unfortunate that the last gasp of the TV mode system was arpeggio fault

glossy latch
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But I should be fine as long as I dont have to get to hard pity

rapid bough
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i did kinda like the TV mode, i think it'd still work as a novel thing they use from time to time

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but the arpeggio fault implementation was just tedious as hell and sorta killed it for all time

glossy latch
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Also I only have one event I hadnt finished and Ive done most of it sooo

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At this point I just need to not get to hard pity

rapid bough
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it's really really rare to get to hard pity in hoyo games, i believe

glossy latch
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It is

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But I do not trust my luck

glossy latch
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Got Banyue nyaruhodo

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3 rolls into soft pity

rapid bough
mortal iron
timber sigil
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someone's here 1 event early lul

idle grove
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I literally cannot open twitter without getting part 2 fgo finale spoilers

wispy goblet
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The lack of Nikke news is driving me crazy

rapid bough
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it's a bit strange they haven't announced even a livestream

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they had one last year and had announced it by now

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but as a point of comparison, they didn't announce RRH until the 23rd last year

old galleon
#

year of elysion is also year of tardiness

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remember how delayed rapi's skin voting was

rapid bough
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i mean that was obviously deliberate, they didn't want to run that at the same time as her swimsuit skin

old galleon
#

perhaps, but i'm not convinced that it'd have been run at the normal time even if cindy had won it instead

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anyway, the new year event starts in like a few days, right?

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they'll have to reveal the nikke for that at some point, at least

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whether it's anis (most likely) or some curveball pick like snow white alt (unlikely)

astral drift
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might as well go for seia too atp

rapid bough
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finally did the simulated sequence banyue event

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banyue is definitely fun as hell but i think this mode also gave me a glimpse of why they nerfed his damage into the ground

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tbh his parry mechanic is kind of insane

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i could buy that they just didn't want him to be unkillable and super high damage lol

glossy latch
#

Looks at Xiyuan

rapid bough
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that's the void hunter diff

glossy latch
#

They should've just made him the void hunter smh

rapid bough
#

though banyue's parry mechanic feels more insane to me than basically any other in the game

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yixuan's parry (which is also bullshit and gives her nutty iframes) is at least limited by her adrenaline

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banyue just has a spammable insta-parry at no cost lol

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to be clear i think he should do more damage than he currently does, i think they nerfed him too hard

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especially given how hard he is to play properly