Last night before r cliff
#Gacha Chat
silver osprey
summer hornet
Tomorrow the rooster cries
runic ether
what the fuck
silver osprey
I think food poisoning will hit faster than killing my form empties
slow raft
Tbf even with the old units we got like
70 turns or smth
So if we can lower that by like 20 thats all good
50 nuggets is lightwork
silver osprey
I probably wasn't very optimized back then but I remember collecting all the karma took ages
slow raft
I mean yeah but noone was dumb enough to collecr karma
Back in the day we just killed people
slow raft
Since the lured units arent (titlecard) you can just burst them down instead of waiting for game mechanics to kill them
summer hornet
How does RR work btw
runic ether
I think food poisoning will hit faster than killing my form empties
only in theory
silver osprey
I remember that my only burst units back then were r cliff and n clair
runic ether
also, i wonder if we'll get unbreakables in the fight vs my form empties
slow raft
Yeah rabbit cliff for the pierce weak one
silver osprey
And I was using a n corp team bc I was a masochist
slow raft
The others i dont rember
slow raft
Basically time attack with ever evolving game mecahnics
First one was just a straight line you fought back to back with health/sanity and resource carry over
slow raft
But over time it got like buffs and lock out and so on
slow raft
Think it looped or whatever
That was a later one
The one with steam transport machine
And fairy gentlemen
And those damn t corp fuckers
Sign of roses was the boss iirc
silver osprey
Ah
astral drift
slow raft
70 turns or smth
ok so I didnt get 70 turns
hey, i found a later screenshot
i also have like
dozens of screenshots of me missing by only a few damage
slow raft
cant you access the current one?
runic ether
i think u need to beat canto 7
mental acorn
yea
slow raft
oh right that makes sense
mental acorn
Almost But Not Quite There
runic ether
the best part of rr1 bokgak is that it is permanent. so i can fuck around with teams outside of the latest railway
silver osprey
Oh ofc, forgot I also had W Don then
rapid bough
call me crazy but i actually find lost sector somewhat enjoyable
except for the ones where you need to field 2 teams
which unfortunately they became obsessed with making for a year or so 
old galleon
good ol' red hood check
rapid bough
lmao same, i was actually at work and had the "did i leave the oven on" moment except with spending all my event currency
i did buy out everything though, just gonna miss out on a few hundred core dust
i will never financially recover from this
rapid bough
damn just missed top 2%
old galleon
i squeezed out top 13%, which for where i'm at i'm happy with
would have been a bit sad if i couldn't breach 15
long tree
literally called pervert
What did you expect
mental acorn
Can she be normal
no
silver osprey
Rushing to the track just to sniff other people 
glossy latch
Wuwa is back up
late canopy
runic ether
it is just that easy
runic ether
the rooster adept goes kinda hard
well didnt get don and i dont have the pulls to get to pity at all, so i guess i'll craft her next week
yeah shoot don seems p good for sinking
and heath is good for burn
mental acorn
her ass is NOT don quigoate
summer hornet
Schist it’s already time huh
slow raft
3 nagel und hammer ids in one pull holy
summer hornet
Lemme update it, I’ve got 50 rolls to spend
mental acorn
zamn line 1 bokgak wants you to have cleared canto 8
at least it's permanent
summer hornet
Lmfao got absolutely nothing
I am over 400 for Sinclair at least, but yeah- maybe I’ll save
runic ether
if u are really itching to spend, get cavernous wailing
slow raft
Actually you should be saving for index messenger sincliar, a totally real id that will be dropping any minute now
summer hornet
I have no idea what that is but I could feel the copium from a mile away
pastel bear
I would pay 50 bucks to have sinclair appear in my room
summer hornet
Lmfao we are aware
runic ether
I have no idea what that is but I could feel the copium from a mile away
the index is one of the fingers
and they are dripped the fuck out and are very weird
very cool cards and skills in library of ruina
wispy goblet
summer hornet
||lmfao Yi Sang likes the disconnected Faust more than the connected one, if I didn’t know better I’d start shipping||
Okay Murder on the Warp Express was also fantastic
That said, the title of Canto 7 is just as terrifying as Canto 5
mental acorn
huh apparently some canto 9 data got packaged in with this week's update by mistake
surely people won't post about potential spoilers out in the open for everyone to see, right 
runic ether
||don's sheer aura from awakening literally kills faust instantly upon waking is so fucking cool actually||
wispy goblet
maintenance over
time to event
silver osprey
Canto 9 leaks above
||And one ID for the current one||
||Don't Touch Me Outis is a very funny idea for a walpipi ID||
slow raft
pastel bear
it's fucked up that shiki has no merch out of all the tsukihime characters
I'll probably get his glasses though
astral drift
🍈
slow raft
you recon we can fell bullet the railway?
mental acorn
only one way to find out 
runic ether
of course
im thinking im gonna rupture the first run
but after that, i'll probably sinking
astral drift
new gssr
mortal iron
https://vxtwitter.com/lucabalsa/status/1991365871198171580
i misread harakiri as habakiri
and felt a tinge of trauma from ygo
slow raft
ok i just went in unga bunga with a heishou strategy and somehow am only 7 turns behind my pb so far
very funny
Liberal usage of totb definitely still works wonders on wave fights
slow raft
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slow raft
Murder on the warp express spoilers
||https://vxtwitter.com/them_failure/status/1978295636794495290||
mortal iron
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runic ether
Murder on the warp express spoilers
||https://vxtwitter.com/them_failure/status/...
||me when my ego is called sangre de sancho (im theorizing my own bloodfiend status)||
slow raft
||me when my ego is called sangre de sancho (im theorizing my own bloodfiend sta...
||Writing fanfiction about myself where im actually a super strong bloodfiend thats special and all the fixers i like are amazed by strength and want to travel with me||
mental acorn
hm I'd kinda want butler faust and dieci hongler at uptie 4 wouldn't I
slow raft
If youre planning on using them, definitely
Hong lu getd more re-uses on his skill 1 and butler faust gets more coin power iirc, which are strong improvements
runic ether
i was hesitant myself on butler faust but she really takes advantage of it
dieci hong lu is just a really solid sinking unit
slow raft
Dieci hong lu might have the single dtrongest skill 1 in the game
runic ether
tho of course, priority for sinking is the powerhouses
runic ether
Dieci hong lu might have the single dtrongest skill 1 in the game
thats probably hanafuda ish now
both wrath discard skills funnily enough
mental acorn
yeah hong gets reuses and clash power, faust gets coin power and her passive inflicts 3 instead of 1 on enemies with echoes
runic ether
i saw her roll a 22 on her s1 once
and followed it up for like 300 damage on her unclashable
slow raft
yeah hong gets reuses and clash power, faust gets coin power and her passive inf...
Yeah those are v strong effects if you plan on fielding them
mental acorn
alright guess I'll have to get more lightbulbs for the ravenous lightbulb munchers
runic ether
sinking priority is def the powerhouses tho
if u have heishou don, u can somewhat ease up on the upties
bc she can let you get some more gloom shred
but i'd still uptie 4 kodya, hanafuda ish first
then the sinking supports after
slow raft
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mental acorn
but i'd still uptie 4 kodya, hanafuda ish first
ye I did them
faust and honglu I was feeling mildly waffly about with the number of shards and crates I can get by season end but I have just discovered that line 5 gives you 20+60, so upgrading them really just pays for itself with extra interest here 
two weeks to farm threads, clear the dungeon, and beat railway sounds quite doable
slow raft
yknow, there is a really quick and easy way to farm threads
(wrong fell bullet but you egt the idea)
runic ether
slow raft
suprised there isnt a true bullet yet
glossy latch
God, worst timing for my mouse to do its usual bug right when the Shiyu is about to run out 😔
Im not getting that S-rank
summer hornet
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slow raft
I JUST FINISHED VECTOR BREAKTHROUGH, THERES NO WAY WERE DOING TRAILS FOR NAVIGATOR NOW
silver osprey
slow raft
ok i just went in unga bunga with a heishou strategy and somehow am only 7 turns...
somehow improved my pb by 2 on the inquisitors
and 3 turns on the k corp doofuses
slow raft
and almost 3 turn reduction on the ones after that but i clashed with the wrong skill 😔
wow, this mao branch adept faust seems like a pretty decent unit
<- man who only just now remembered how to abuse a broken unit
whole railway i was like: "yeah this team seems really great at aoe damage but i seem to be missing some single target burst"
until i rememebered how mao faust works
turned a 12 turn pb to a 7 turn pb, this slash team might be good
glossy latch
Finally
After 10000 years
I am done with Qiuyuans echoes
(At least until the 99.2% crit rate makes me miss a crit and I get mad)
rapid bough
guess i'm pulling leva and lenna
dunno about roro
also dunno about the new skins
i wish andoris's skin didn't cover her eyes, that's an L even if the rest is peak
but hers and reissi's skins are probably buys for me
wish the klukai skin wasn't an even more advanced scam than nikke's gacha skins
since it's a very good skin but holy fuck the cost
best game mode is back 
timber sigil
wispy goblet
orchid elbow
of all the places to see an Initial D reference...
a Gacha game was not one I expected.
||Noya Act 1, Stella Sora||
pastel bear
timber sigil
<@219319817688186891> Leva/Lenna/Robella triple banner
@idle grove should prob ping u too
idle grove
ayo
slow raft
oh cool you can fuck over kromer with battlefield retreat
slow raft
actually beat my pb while rawdoggign the run holy
(ignore how i didnt actually use proper ids for don, meursault and heathcliff)
Now to take a look at the sub 50 runs to see what teams to actually run
silver osprey
QoH Don in the Heishou team 
slow raft
That envy resonance passive goes hard, trust
But yeah i just threw this team together in a few seconds and didnt change it at any point
It did feel good to beat my pb with minimal planning or restarting
I think the most i restarted was at mfe and even then it was only a measly 30 times or so
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mental acorn
did 50 pulls to see if i could get digitan and i got mcqueen + brian + taishin instead
insane
mental acorn
og (which I already had )
surely this means that when I pull for cafe I'll get spooked by sky and digital
silver osprey
I'm still unsure if I want Cafe or Vampire Rice
And then there's the Kitasan card rerun sometimes soon I think? Which I need at least one to finally stop getting it from support
mental acorn
yeah that should be late december iirc
silver osprey
runic ether
kind of wild hoyo hasnt made skins for genshin or hsr's protags
slow raft
I mean hsr technically has them but like...
runic ether
sinking girls make do
slow raft
Still crazy that heathcliff finally has a burn id and don finally has a sinking id
(Madonka isnt real sinking)
runic ether
and lord hong lu can finally apply as many statuses as ring yi sang too
slow raft
long tree
£200 barghest figure by goodsmile
FUCK
glossy latch
https://vxtwitter.com/Rnhngville/status/1991867443313254904
God its so funny that theyre just changing the next location on such a short notice
slow raft
Speaking of barghest
||https://vxtwitter.com/jeffraeson/status/1988275988569223375||
runic ether
God its so funny that theyre just changing the next location on such a short not...
its not confirmed at all yet idt
but it would be really funny
old galleon
Speaking of barghest
||https://vxtwitter.com/jeffraeson/status/19882759885692233...
hello, blessed department?
slow raft
its not confirmed at all yet idt
Apparently its not a total location change
silver osprey
That is not Yae 
glossy latch
its not confirmed at all yet idt
It hasnt, but the leaker is a reliable one
Poor Sparkle SP though
silver osprey
Wait some people do call her Yae nvm
runic ether
Apparently its not a total location change
i hope they change them
really bored of the hoyo expies at this point
edo star was really about to be a patch full of them
(it still be wont it)
slow raft
Sadly, hoyo without the expies just doesnt sell well enough
glossy latch
Yae was the only confirmed Expy tho, no?
runic ether
its one thing to release a dhpt and an e9
glossy latch
But Im hype for Sampo SP
runic ether
its another to have your entire region full of sp characters
yeah it'd be one thing if it was sampo and sparkle sp
but all the leaks pointed to edo star being 90% sp
glossy latch
Sampo is a fun character and they can do quite a lot with him not hiding himself anymore
Wait really?
I figured it was just those two plus Yae
runic ether
nope
glossy latch
We dont really have a lot of Elation pathstriders in the lore do we
runic ether
more than a few leakers came around to say "dont expect many new characters in edo star"
glossy latch
Weird
Cuz like
We have no Edo Star natives and no other Elation pathstriders
Who would they even SP and why
runic ether
its cus edo star apparently was a digital world by the ipc that came to life
glossy latch
... oh goddammit
runic ether
so my guess would have been topaz, ratio
runic ether
you must understand, that may require actual effort 
slow raft
||is belobog the only actual planet weve stepped foot on?||
glossy latch
Debatably yes?
||Technically Herta Space Station is orbiting a planet but it itself isnt a planet||
... god thats wack
I mean I liked Penacony
But I really want us to get an actual planet
summer hornet
so my guess would have been topaz, ratio
Heard at least a couple whispers about Aventurine SP lmao
I don't think we're ever gonna get the Ten Stonehearts at this rate
runic ether
summer hornet
guitar and the blue planet
silver osprey
Peak
slow raft
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digital marlin
... to the second-worst character to lose it to
Jianxin?
summer hornet
https://x.com/urup_zzzEX/status/1978142612646191573
logically, I know this is bad
but
runic ether
whats wrong with the heishou pack wei branch
wispy goblet
No performance points on Hunter?
runic ether
so happy for alice's transition into a hammer. everything else has become nails
runic ether
now that i know she can get like no buffs and do it against a phys resistant enemy, da has now become a bit of a joke
versed pawn
suprisingly first time i killed miasma priest today
it could been 65k but at one point on the battle her parry spam whiffed my characters
mental acorn
new personal highest damage from a single attack, night's awl for 698
I do quite like this guy but mainly for focused encounters where I can actually manage open wound stacks
slow raft
Night awl gregor is great yea
And luckily railway is mainly focused so you can always target properly
runic ether
i like allengregor more for unfocused encounters so he can merce kill 2 enemies faster every turn
neon ore
first Digitan run, also got the 2 star stamina quest done
wispy goblet
torn harbor
rapid bough
now that i know she can get like no buffs and do it against a phys resistant ene...
i'ma be real, it's been a joke for a while if all you want to do is 9 star/20k each boss
it's definitely challenging for people with incomplete rosters but for year+ old accounts who have regularly pulled meta characters? 20k isn't really a high bar to set
atp the fun is optimizing and getting the highest score possible if that's your jam, not just getting 20k which i can usually just cruise to
number go up is still engaging gameplay lol
that said, alice is honestly cracked and i regret not picking her up when i had the chance. definitely pulling on a future rerun
paper spoke
If its good enough for Wall Street, its good enough for gacha gamers to see that line go up
timber sigil
2nd anniv event on CN is DSR/M200 banner oh boy
rapid bough
helen waiting room
she's probably going to the next doll i push to v6
both for meta and wife
will be pulling for lenna + leva for anni tho
finally having a functional electric team will be nice
now it's physical and ice's turn to be left behind lol
timber sigil
imagine Helen and Loreley in the same room
The Yor inspiration is super obvious tho with the needle knives
Harpsy/TMP gonna be a welfare SSR unit too
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Corro SMG
silver osprey
X
wispy goblet
surprisingly good chances for me to get everyone I want
assuming my pulls now, plus 110 pulls in 2.4 and 2.5 (includes IK and BP)
going for w-engines will significantly drop my chances tho
hmmm
man
I wish we had anything more concrete about 2.5 reruns
because ideally I'd only go for Ju Fufu w-engine if I knew no one I cared about was rerunning in 2.5
timber sigil
https://tenor.com/view/legobatman-gif-14443780454512952596
Oh BOY Nikketa anniversary dress skin
Way too dangerous to post here
idle grove
oh sick I'll start playing again ready for it then
timber sigil
EN's daughter returns yay
https://x.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992202184088314056?t=9UnAz7DKRVjltVwdoVnmVA&s=19
Klook + Lainie/UMP40 modkeys
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https://x.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992203977132228763?t=BiCblrKf9vN3YnFrifJDwA&s=19
Nikketa anniversary dress skin (very danjyarasu)
https://vxtwitter.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992204174197428682?t=_SVwOmonqzkrC-KAs-xx_w&s=19
SKK swimwear costumes for Crew Deck mode
https://vxtwitter.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992204493082050611?t=qM9R1RCcwLkQ29gNcqGZfQ&s=19
A third Maki skin has hit the game mr president
Returning skins for Loreley/DSR-50, Suomi and Cheyanne/M200
https://vxtwitter.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992204998579527809?t=5iv67REgwsw7K3ZSiQ209g&s=19
https://vxtwitter.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992205361030353027?t=IoyEUAu9cYtdXNnnU0gw8A&s=19
https://vxtwitter.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992205895841792315?t=YvMQIGwkp1lLOB5FGqxYlQ&s=19
Teaser skins for Alva/AN-94 for placing 2nd in popularity contest, returning skins for Robella and Florence
https://x.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992209210361217360?t=t6mvNETz-NXWM3871e7q7w&s=19
https://x.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992214599811076523?t=-FmnBLl3U6x9lG02b8taXw&s=19
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https://x.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992214733257118165?t=skt9YpYP_vCFuPJIgDqpng&s=19
Last but not least teasers for Sextans, SOPII, G41 in the future as playable units
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idle grove
Curious as to what gfl2'd g41 will look like
slow raft
Many such cases!
https://vxtwitter.com/RANK10YGO/status/1991864868253892861
idle grove
poor guy doesn't know what he's in for
summer hornet
https://x.com/matcha_koma/status/1991484114298630531
slow raft
poor guy doesn't know what he's in for
Im p sure hes talking about picking up the ststue, not the game
rapid bough
Oh BOY Nikketa anniversary dress skin
i need it yesterday holy shit
if that's a gacha skin i'ma cry
probably at least half a year away too rip
it's peak tho
gfl doesn't miss on their party dress skins
summer hornet
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timber sigil
https://x.com/YZsFerrari/status/1992214733257118165?t=skt9YpYP_vCFuPJIgDqpng&s=1...
Other things as well:
- Doll upgrades now refundable (can reclaim all gold/combat reports/cores invested into units)
- Harpsy added to standard pool
- First proper collab event next year
timber sigil
Curious as to what gfl2'd g41 will look like
She appears in one of the neural helix stage stories
2nd one iirc
Where a group of mercs are hired to capture her from her cave but she wipes them all out
timber sigil
She's in 1 of the side stories but not mentioned by name
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bruh what
Keijo minigame lmao
pray for me friends @rapid bough @idle grove
idle grove
timber sigil
oh no Loreley's pajama skin is part of the skin gacha fhug
timber sigil
I remember she was mentioned I don't recall actually seeing her
From Battlefield Echoes 4
idle grove
yeah I just want to like see a CG with her in or something
probably will look pretty much the same though
timber sigil
We'll save her inshallah
wispy goblet
I am going mildly insane
doing my pull planning
silver osprey
My whole twitter feed is filled with buena vista rn
Her and endfield since they posted about the bnnuy
wispy goblet
man
Ju Fufu's sig has really low value over replacement
rapid bough
haven't i said several times that her sig is mid? lol
it's basically the same as the support wengines, maybe technically a small improvement over a F2P option but not worth the pulls if you're even remotely worried about saving
wispy goblet
grumble
but I wanna max out her crit damage buff and have Impact D6
I should just let it go
save for another potential waifu pull or high-demand w-engine
but
rapid bough
i forget for sure but i'm like 99% sure i'd cap out her CD buff with impact D6 if only i had hellfire gears instead of a purple wengine (90 base ATK difference)
or if not cap it then be extremely close to the point of it not mattering since the buff is prorated even at sub-5% increments, so like 3399 ATK will give you 29.99%/30% of the CD buff lol
clearing the threshold on sig-less fufu isn't nearly as bad as lucia's which needs obscene god roll numbers
it occurs to me that if i got yidhari, fufu w/ lighter sig might actually slap
but i will not be getting yidhari
wispy goblet
everyone's talking up Dialyn anyway
new best-in-class for basically everyone except maybe Evelyn and Obol Squad/double attacker teams
rapid bough
i'm hearing she's even BIS for eve teams w/ sig lol
but probably by a small enough margin that it's still better to use lighter in DA so you save dialyn for use with someone else
wispy goblet
she's edging Lighter out in the content we currently have
but that's not the stuff you normally run Evelyn against
similar issue with testing Trigger v. Dialyn
rapid bough
tell that to my 31k with eve team against wandering hunter this DA reset lol
tbh i don't see why dialyn would fall behind lighter in non-rupture shilled content
wispy goblet
from what I gleaned with the Lin-0 video
it's mostly minor nuances like how buffs, diminishing returns, and minor interactions come together
against specific bosses
rapid bough
again, even if that is true i'm not really worried about supplanting lighter by a few % since i'm sure dialyn will probably be a larger improvement with another team
wispy goblet
oh yeah
she represents a much larger value over replacement for other teams
chat I'm gonna do it
I'm gonna go to the 75/25 on Ju Fufu's w-engine
wispy goblet
my Ju Fufu substats are horrendous
I have had no luck substat chasing for her
rapid bough
at least chasing substats is free lol
runic ether
fufu is just kind of crept already by dialyn. i think unless u have mindscapes on her, its p safe to skip the wengine
wispy goblet
It's really not
but the funny tiger thiren
and tbh there's a high chance I'd be using Ju Fufu anyway to cover multiple-team content
Dialyn is much more likely to push out Lycaon or Trigger than Ju Fufu on my account
rapid bough
i'm sure you'll use both fufu and dialyn in various DA resets, so i don't think dialyn is a strict replacement (see my lighter comment above, same rationale)
i'm just saying that her sig isn't very high value, it just makes clearing her threshold easier but it's possible (or near enough to not matter) even without sig
you know this to be true
wispy goblet
I would be much more comfortable going for Ju Fufu sig if I knew I was going to have only one extra pull target on top of Dialyn and Ye Shunguang across 2.4 to 2.6
I'm 75% sure we're getting a Jane rerun in 2.5
but I'm concerned Ye Ye Ass Haircut will have a high value sig, or Yixuan will rerun and I'll want her sig, or there will be another waifu rerun I want to get, or I'll end up wanting one of the Angels of Labubu....
rapid bough
so what you're saying is that in 99 out of 100 situations you will want the extra pulls saved for the next several patches
and in 1 out of 100, you can afford the marginal increase of getting fufu's sig
runic ether
sounds to me like u should skip fufu's wengine
rapid bough
wispy goblet
no treat for the tiger thiren
assuming 110 pulls from 2.4 and 2.5 each (including IK and BP)
I have a fair shot of getting Dialyn, Ye Shunguang, and two other pull targets in 2.5
and hopefully we get above-average pulls in 2.5 like what happened in 1.4
okay chat but what if I skip Dialyn instead
digital marlin
...
rapid bough
ain't no way you value some marginal CD (debatable if you even need sig for this) and fufu damage over dialyn
silver osprey
Right next to the other Agnes
silver osprey
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wispy goblet
glossy latch
Whats Ether Veil?
wispy goblet
unique mechanic
Lucia and Yidhari are the only characters on live that currently have it
Leaks suggest Zhao and Ye Shunguang will also have it
in Ether Veil: Wellspring (currently the only kind of Ether Veil we have, dunno if we'll ever get others)
all units get 5% max HP
This adjustment in max HP notably also leads to an increase in Sheer for Rupture units
Agents usually also have a unique interaction with Ether Veil while it's active
glossy latch
I see
wispy goblet
for example, Yidhari gains tentacle triggers on her EX and B3 and stuffs, which amount to extra damage and EX triggers (for stacking things like Yunkui Tales)
digital marlin
Is shining aria the best set for Vivian?
wispy goblet
second disk set foretells the fabled Ether Stunner
...who is an anomaly supportive unit?
Or maybe another Ether Anomaly and another one of their members is a stunner
wispy goblet
the various databases have info coming in
grace now checks for Anomaly for her bonus passive
runic ether
lets goo
rapid bough
ballad is obviously shunguang's BIS
wonder if aria becomes vivian's 2pc, but more likely that's a disk for the idols
runic ether
probably
rapid bough
nah aria prolly won't be used for vivi, idt abloom does ether damage (unless it triggers on corruption) and AP is more important for her so the +30 AP sets are better
runic ether
oh i mean probably that its for the idols
rapid bough
i know, i'm just correcting myself
wispy goblet
rapid bough
aria gives an AP buff on an 8 second basic attack interval which imo basically guarantees whichever idol(s) it's for has an aftershock BA that can trigger every 8 sec lol
or they'll just be an on field anomaly BA agent like jane, but the addition of needing a stunner makes that a tough sell
wispy goblet
could be an off-field stunner
rapid bough
could be, but the disk ain't for whoever that'd be so
need an off-field stunner for anomaly gaming
tbh that disk is so heavily geared toward stun window that it makes me think it's for an anomaly agent that stun dumps damage like most attack agents already do
so could be on-field stunner for quick swap to whatever upcoming ether anomaly agent that's for (idol)
wispy goblet
my smell is that it's an on-field anomaly-er with an off-field stunner
since we're getting now an on-field/quickswap stunner
but that's two patches away
rapid bough
just feels weird to give an on-field anomaly agent a disk set that so heavily incentivizes regular stuns
glossy latch
I guess Grace is budget Vivian now?
rapid bough
wonder what ether veil evil slayer actually does
probably a minor stat increase like wellspring that only really exists to enable other mechanics (like in this case, shunguang's veil vulnerability or the new swap attack mechanic she and zhao use)
interesting that veil vulnerability seems to basically be like trigger's core ability (getting stun damage multiplier outside of stun)
runic ether
I guess Grace is budget Vivian now?
possibly better with mindscapes involved
runic ether
baseline?
idk
oh actually
vivi is somewhat awkward for miyabi
grace may overtake her
in that team specifically
wispy goblet
if you were a number checker
they dropped Grace's Abloom damage from 500% to 280% in this most recent beta
EDIT: okay it sounds like the multiplers that were dropped were for the DoT ones (shock, burn, corruption)
glossy latch
I guess at this point Harumasa is just sadly irrelevant because I can just use Yanagi Grace for electric weak bosses
wispy goblet
man I'm so sad
they changed Zhao's buffs
she's probably better overall
but I'm going to miss those Impact buffs
and she's worse for Rupture now
runic ether
was haru ever relevant
he can still clear
i used him for this da and shiyu
and he is able to clear more than a few ones in the past
rapid bough
i never said he couldn't clear, literally any character can clear
even i can clear with haru and i suck ass at him
but that's not the same as being relevant lol
runic ether
eh fair
glossy latch
Im struggling to clear with him 😔
But I also dont have a good stunner
I still use Anby
slow raft
slow raft
||https://vxtwitter.com/Miggs_fmp/status/1981090651413377152||
On further consideration, there are some csnto 7 spoilers in the background details
runic ether
we are repeating roles as often as possible 🔥
wispy goblet
rapid bough
holy fuck those animations
hoyo's outdone themselves again, i thought yixuan was peak
are working on gameplay examples
glossy latch
Hello mythmaker Irelia
rapid bough
that second ult animation goes unbelievably hard
wispy goblet
Hello mythmaker Irelia
immense IONIA STILL STANDS energy u rite
runic ether
Hello mythmaker Irelia
irelia's outfit there is much better tbh
also lol the full on cultivation memes on her ults here is pretty nice tho
they def cook for anims
runic ether
i think it is somewhat hard for me to also separate that i really dont like her look/outfit much at all
wispy goblet
the intended Dialyn synergy is clear
have a guaranteed transformation for every stun window through ult
runic ether
and being an attacker?
im hesitant for how good she will actually be outside of her non-shilled content
rapid bough
I just kinda don't ... care for the character
unless you're talking about the design... you barely know the character
she's still two patches worth of development away lol
rapid bough
rip
wispy goblet
im hesitant for how good she will actually be outside of her non-shilled content
allegedly ZZZ's new balance philosophy is for units that are designed to be very strong should also be into more specific niches
so they don't have another Meebster problem where a very generically powerful unit puts immense design strain on challenge design
but also they released Dialyn so
runic ether
yeah
we discussed it before and...
yeah
i've heard hoyo say that a few times across their current games
they kind of fail each time
genshin def went the longest before the powercreep really flared up
but hsr lost the plot on powercreep since like
patch 1.5
rapid bough
seems like they're making shunguang's niche anti-miasma shield
so i'm sure we're going to get new enemies that spam the shit out of the shield
runic ether
it is somewhat of a gacha problem as a whole tho to my understanding
wispy goblet
gameplay videos starting to surface
lemme see if I can send 'em
wouldn't let me forward
I cannot
my nitro power is too small
rapid bough
it is *somewhat* of a gacha problem as a whole tho to my understanding
i mean the reality is that i think it's basically unavoidable
glossy latch
WuWa has similar issues ... ish?
rapid bough
even aside from incentivizing people to pull
wispy goblet
it is *somewhat* of a gacha problem as a whole tho to my understanding
I'm actually writing an article about this in specific relation to ZZZ
unfortunately I am a huge procrastinator
but thankfully seeing more of ZZZ's releases has given me more material
unfortunately it has also given me more material
rapid bough
you also want to incentivize people who are not playing to start playing, and the easiest way to do that is to release a character that just mogs content solo so they don't need to turbo invest for a full roster
glossy latch
The 1.x characters have aged reasonably well in WuWa, but when it comes to DPS theres no question that the most recent releases are all like the best characters
... and Cartethyia
rapid bough
the gacha cycle simply promotes (arguably thrives on) powercreep
i doubt any gacha game can truly avoid it
glossy latch
Im not sure tbh
runic ether
you also want to incentivize people who are not playing to start playing, and th...
the funniest way i've seen it has def been for limbus company where project moon has outright said "nah we will powercreep older ids outright. its because the sinners are getting stronger." and this is acceptable with the way the system allows u to shard any id during a season so you really dont ever miss out
glossy latch
I dont think that "I need new units to keep up with the game" is a very compelling reason for selling new characters
I feel like if you cant keep up using your favourites because you need newer units youre more likely to just quit the game
rapid bough
well character power is part and parcel of selling characters
those you can't get to waifu/husbando pull will instead pull for meta, and vice versa
wispy goblet
I wonder
will they every design a gacha with rotation like MTG
runic ether
idt u can
rapid bough
"give people more reasons to pull" is probably never going to hurt you lol
glossy latch
Maybe?
runic ether
i do think its gonna hurt hsr bc it has set a precedent
glossy latch
I think the question I have is, if you just made characters to bring up teams that didnt quite land, or to create new niches, without increasing the powerlevel
Would that really sell less?
Like people pull for the characters/animations first and foremost I feel
rapid bough
i'd confidently say yes
rapid bough
Like people pull for the characters/animations first and foremost I feel
...por que no los dos
runic ether
the way ppl doomed about cyrene (kinda rightfully so, her kit is extremely flawed) because she isnt god on earth, would tell that ppl will definitely cause issues over various situations
glossy latch
And new players would always have reason to pull on the banners because they dont have any old characters they would compete with
rapid bough
the issue is how do you get new players to join in light of the fact they don't have a full roster
glossy latch
Also damn, I need to remember to do ZZZ events tomorrow
runic ether
really i think it comes down to how u handle what a player gets to start more than anything
rapid bough
the easiest and most obvious answer is - you release a new powerful character that trumps all content not designed around fielding multiple teams
runic ether
lowkey, harumasa (and zhao) should be free always
glossy latch
Make new characters still competitive and give them a good free base so that by the time they want to start doing endgame they should have a couple decent teams and pulled a few characters
rapid bough
haru and now zhao should be part of the standard banner
glossy latch
That's mostly how WuWa does it
runic ether
yes
they should
but they should also still be given free
ie: clear the yanagi story chapter and harumasa gets added to your account
and then clear 2.5 chapter and zhao joins u for free
rapid bough
Make new characters still competitive and give them a good free base so that by ...
you act like ZZZ doesn't do this, plenty of recent characters have been Just Competitive rather than OP
runic ether
this is after the fact
rapid bough
but you have to sell a hype cycle too
and in the context of power creep, the "just competitive" characters are still many many levels above what the game released with
glossy latch
Like Augusta in WuWa isn't powercreeping Cartethyia, but she is incredibly effective for f2p players since her free options are very good
rapid bough
ZZZ is taking a unique and admirable approach of buffing the old dated characters that don't conform to new design philosophies
glossy latch
(And her optimal teams arent far behind)
Idk, to be honest its difficult to really say without having the needed data
rapid bough
i don't think it's difficult to say at all
you broadly have two camps, those who pull for power and those who pull for characters
runic ether
the power going up is good for sales. even tho it risks this line causing too much friction
unless your game can somewhat ignore the pull system
rapid bough
you broadly have two camps, those who pull for power and those who pull for char...
overlapping character and high power to maximize playerbase coverage seems to be the obvious solution
maybe you're cynical because you don't like shunguang's design but i assure you plenty of people do lol
and now she's also likely OP?
it's a pulling fiesta
glossy latch
It does hurt the people who pull for characters though, if they can't play their favourite cahracters anymore because they were creeped
Granted in HSRs case they just gave Firefly the Dahlia and are probably buffing her
runic ether
rt i think the only truly fucked up bit of zzz i can critique on the game is that defense agents just dont feel like they need to exist
rapid bough
well ZZZ is trying to fix that, though it's unique in the gacha space for doing so
glossy latch
Which is one way of doing it
rapid bough
most gacha answer that with just
glossy latch
Defense and Rupture tbh
rapid bough
new alt that is better than old base character
glossy latch
Rupture is just attack but to the left, defense is just support to the right
runic ether
nowdays
yeah shunguang should be solid tho i do worry about her power being too high. but if her power is too niche, i def see ppl being upset about it
glossy latch
Defense would make more sense if the game was one where you needed shields or sustains or anything of that sort to beat endgame
But since its not its like
... what do they even bring?
Like, that supports dont already do
wispy goblet
to be fair
to borrow MaRo's words
some game pieces are just not designed for you
glossy latch
I mean yes but like
wispy goblet
some players are not as good at the game
and value the extra safety net
rapid bough
using caesar in threshold sim reminded me of just how OP her shield is
glossy latch
Are defense agents designed for anyone?
wispy goblet
yes
rapid bough
meta with his love of ben bigger: YES
wispy goblet
players who value the safety net over optimized damage
glossy latch
Even if you look at players who arent very good
runic ether
i can give it that for zzz actually in some capacity
glossy latch
I think they would rather just pick safe DPS' like Yixuan
runic ether
there are ppl who are bad enough that the i frames yixuan gets are not enough
tho atp, i imagine nothing can help them
wispy goblet
the fact that safety nets are not valuable at all through the game's heuristics is, in one sense, entirely irrelevant
it's good that options exist for people who want it, even if it's not an optimal heuristic
glossy latch
I mean if you can die as Yixuan between her iframes, healing and damage I question if the game is for you
runic ether
this is the zhongli issue in genshin all over again even tho this game is definitely harder to play than genshin
wispy goblet
this is another issue I am (trying to, allegedly) write a piece about
rapid bough
idea pitch: give defense agents an "off field" defense niche like being able to trigger defensive assists without switching so you can still blast away with an active character or something lol
slow raft
Also damn, I need to remember to do ZZZ events tomorrow
Same lol
glossy latch
But even so why not just ... make them support units that have healing or shielding as a buff?
wispy goblet
also the introduction of co-op introduces an entirely new texture to the value of defense agents
runic ether
idea pitch: give defense agents an "off field" defense niche like being able to ...
honestly? would be pretty good for them
runic ether
it seems that zhao is doing this in a sense
wispy goblet
But even so why not just ... make them support units that have healing or shield...
answer to the queen problem
can't just put the best support tools on your defense agents
glossy latch
I wanna have Banyue pulls and the Manato skin and character
runic ether
but i'd like to see all defense agents elaborate on it
glossy latch
I mean realistically the actual answer is just
runic ether
i feel like defense agents probably should have passable off field damage
glossy latch
"to sell W-Engines"
slow raft
ZZZ is taking a unique and admirable approach of buffing the old dated character...
I wouldnt say its unique at all tbh. Even fgo is doing it lol
glossy latch
That's why Rupture was created
wispy goblet
smh something can both be a good game design decision and a good business decision
glossy latch
That's why we have somewhat redundant classes, or paths in HSR
rapid bough
i think the oversaturation of defensive assists (to the point they've nearly abandoned evasive assist) unfortunately absorbed some of the niche defense agents could've had
but it's probably for the best since evasive assists are poopy ass
glossy latch
It's why WuWa has weapon types even though nowadays none of the characters use their weapon
rapid bough
I wouldnt say its unique at all tbh. Even fgo is doing it lol
ok but how old is FGO lol
glossy latch
... ok almost none
wispy goblet
i think the oversaturation of defensive assists (to the point they've nearly aba...
the evasive assist shill is coming in Season 3
slow raft
ok but how old is FGO lol
10 years
rapid bough
yeah i think buffing old characters 10 years down the line is slightly different from ZZZ's 1.5
runic ether
pulchra got to sit on the cuck chair for my teambuilding prior to yixuan's release. she found a way to make the team for yixuan for me for a while. now she gets to watch dialyn sitting on the cuck chair once more. lowkey feel bad for her lmao
rapid bough
but i also wanna emphasize they're not just like
slow raft
They didnt just start doing it obv
slow raft
They arent in fgo neither
Neither are they just number buffs in arknights or even limbus
rapid bough
pulchra got to sit on the cuck chair for my teambuilding prior to yixuan's relea...
A rank moment, what'd you expect
rapid bough
Neither are they just number buffs in arknights or even limbus
idk how to articulate that i just think what ZZZ does is qualitatively different from what i've seen in other gachas
like nikke has favorite items and gfl2 has expansion keys but ZZZ straight up is doing like "mindscape 2: electric boogaloo" for characters now
runic ether
zzz isnt super special on kit reworks on older characters. and it is definitely not as unique to even other hoyo games as of not too too long ago.
buut i will give it to zzz that it has def put enough emphasis to make sure that the buffs do feel more substantial
ie soldier 11's buffs seem quality compared to the buffs that blade and jingliu got in hsr
rapid bough
It does hurt the people who pull for characters though, if they can't play their...
also to go back to this for a moment
runic ether
even if blade and jingliu are actually playable again now, they are just... still much worse than mydei and castorice
rapid bough
anecdotally i'm still just gonna play the character i want to, tbh
like there will be a limited fire attack DPS in the future that's stronger than eve i'm sure
i fully intend to still send it with eve tho lol
runic ether
yeah for sure. but thats why u aim for the vertical investment
slow raft
idk how to articulate that i just think what ZZZ does is qualitatively different...
Totally fair, you have seen less gachas than me
rapid bough
vertical investment in hoyo games feels like such shit because the rates suck ass
i love eve but do i want to drop a half year's worth of savings to m6?
(or just swipe lmao)
rapid bough
Totally fair, you have seen less gachas than me
i was about to say "are you looking down on me" and then i realized this is not a flex
slow raft
Yea
wispy goblet
okay but how many western gachas have you played
slow raft
okay but how many *western* gachas have you played
Like 3
wispy goblet
damn fr?
didn't know you played sports games like that
rapid bough
i don't mind potentials/mindscapes/whatever you want to call them so much because it makes getting dupes feel less like shit
runic ether
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rapid bough
weapon gachas are the worst tho
wispy goblet
anyway uh
with the news about Ye Shaggy Forma de Ultra Instinct's w-engine
I am suddenly much less saddened at skipping Ju Fufu sig
rapid bough
i really don't understand why you were so conflicted about skipping her sig anyway lol
runic ether
coughing wengine vs hydrogen dps
rapid bough
been an easy skip since release tbh
wispy goblet
treats for the tiger thiren
slow raft
like nikke has favorite items and gfl2 has expansion keys but ZZZ straight up is...
To be fair, i have yet to actually look up how zzz is doing its buffsy is it just strsight up "the characters become better" or what
rapid bough
just introducing new mechanics that are more in-line with current game design
aftershocks and stuff
slow raft
No i mean
wispy goblet
they're basically releasing another layer of mechanics
that are obtained using currency earned through end-game and dailies
slow raft
How do you access them
rapid bough
oh
material you get from doing daily/weekly objectives and whatnot
then a shop to "buy" them at
slow raft
Ah
wispy goblet
so there's potential unlocked (a toggle-able buffed version that is basically always better but if for whatever reason you want the old version you can turn it off)
and now this
runic ether
with dialyn's release, i see ppl ask for buffs on qingyi to have her keep up as a stunner and to update her stun as the new design philosophy
slow raft
So like arknights does it then
runic ether
me, sitting with an m1p1 qingyi, would very welcome the change indeed.
rapid bough
i said this when dialyn's kit was first leaked but the degree to which she seems to straight up replace qingyi is honestly kinda funny
slow raft
Cetianly one of the worse ways to buff characters but ill manage
rapid bough
qingyi's only "advantage" (depending on comp) is she needs more field time
runic ether
guy with the 100 grace copies about to get the best anomaly support in the game:
rapid bough
her "niche" was high field time stun that sets up the big meaty stun windows to make up for the lost DPS on field time
but dialyn does the stun window part without needing to be on field nearly as much
so it's just like... cya qingyi
runic ether
i can at least always trust qingyi to nuke the shit out of typhon whenever it comes up
rapid bough
i actually lowkey dislike qingyi on typhon because i stun it too fast
can't even stack her buff to full
runic ether
yeah but the dps from the dps actually make up the diff
slow raft
just introducing new mechanics that are more in-line with current game design
Coincidentally, this is also very much like arknights, what with the adding elemental damage to units that were conceived before it was a thing
rapid bough
guy with the 100 grace copies about to get the best anomaly support in the game:
i do also want to say that i think part of what i find unique about ZZZ is the characters it's selected to buff this early on (namely, several standard characters rn with more to follow i'm sure)
runic ether
yeah for sure i will praise them for recognizing the issue and moving fast on it
rapid bough
i always figured they would treat the fact that you passively get more vertical investment on standard banner characters as their "buff"
runic ether
genshin has taken
no
it is taking
6 years
and we only now
got buffs to 1.0 characters
and only specific ones
all from one or related to a specific faction
in anticipation to 3 characters releasing in this version
slow raft
i always figured they would treat the fact that you passively get more vertical ...
This is very funny with fgo
slow raft
Cause there are a few standard characters that were there at the sart of the game
And they got multiple buffs by now obv
So sometimes you get a spook of an ssr or sr from 10 years ago
And suddenly you have like 5 buff quests to do
Like damn, half a 10 roll just for pulling this character? Ill take it
rapid bough
stonks
runic ether
it dawns on me that fgo hasnt been releasing characters as fast as the hoyo games do
at least i dont think they do
runic ether
yeah i figure cus like
slow raft
Tho fgo also releases lower star characters more frequently so while hoyo games have more ssrs i thinn it evens out
runic ether
unless there are a ton of really unpopular servants, i feel like i see a ton of fgo characters, but i dont think i've seen so many that i go "oh damn theres like billions now that its 10 years old"
wispy goblet
people speculating
if Ye Shunguang's attacks are long range enough
Billy sig might be an alternative
runic ether
her being an attack engine means one thing
slow raft
unless there are a ton of really unpopular servants, i feel like i see a ton of ...
I wanna say we have about 400 rn
runic ether
starlight engine lets fucking go
rapid bough
look me in the eye and tell me you think hoyo will let fucking billy's sig be a viable alternative to getting people to pull for shunguang's engine
runic ether
from the company that has allowed nekomata's wengine being bis f2p for rupture agents...
slow raft
I wanna say we have about 400 rn
447, apparently
runic ether
we did get a free s rank wengine
runic ether
447, apparently
yeah thats a lot less for what i expected for a 10 year old gacha
slow raft
that's an S rank wengine
Clearly, meta was talking about the s rank billy alter w enngine
runic ether
s rank billy wengine in 2.7
slow raft
yeah thats a lot less for what i expected for a 10 year old gacha
The real shocker is that only 20 of them are artoria
summer hornet
the gacha cycle simply promotes (arguably thrives on) powercreep
In a weird way, FGO defies this
rapid bough
anyway i can't remember the last attack agent they released whose sig wasn't like a 25-30% improvement over f2p options
even if shunguang currently works with gimmicky f2p stuff i guarantee you hoyo will rebalance to make her not do that lol
wispy goblet
I'm not saying it won't be a massive improvement
I'm saying that she might be able to use another Attacker engine for something other than a fat crit stat stick
rapid bough
i mean basically all of the crit wengines are attack engines so query whether it'd even be a stat stick or actually quite good
summer hornet
A mix of no pvp endgame, little pressure for dupes, semi-regular character buffs, multiple ways to max out a single character that don't depend on gacha or RNG, and the game having settled into a pretty steady cycle of "use good supports for x card type and you win" 5 years ago
slow raft
Fgo is more of an option creep tbh. You occaisonally have servants that enable different strategies and such and there are certainly servants released that break damage threshhold but with break bars being in play those dont really matter.
The bad practices are more concentrated in other areas
rapid bough
am i allowed to say FGO is an exception to most rules because it's older than disco and also they notoriously had no fucking clue what they were doing at the outset (and arguably still don't)
slow raft
Would you believe me if i told you we still had no way to replay story chapters?
rapid bough
yes
slow raft
Babaric honestly
summer hornet
rapid bough
especially for a game people rave about the story for all the time lol
slow raft
Even hoyoverse lets you replay some story
summer hornet
You can reread
rapid bough
that's madness
summer hornet
But not replay, outside of anniversaries
runic ether
genshin too
rapid bough
aww did it break
or do reddit video embeds just work now
they most certainly do not
slow raft
X
rapid bough
https://www.reddit.com/r/Zenlesszonezeroleaks_/comments/1p4d351/252_beta_ye_shun...
anyway, straight out of the trailer
hoyo i am once again BEGGING you to play these entrance animations in more content
runic ether
kinda basic, but her sideeye to her sword is cool
rapid bough
i like the cheeky smile + flourish at the end
runic ether
the part i like most is the sword ribbon passing over the sword and the glint
slow raft
am i allowed to say FGO is an exception to most rules because it's older than di...
Its kinda funny that fgo wouldnt be nearly as popular if not the franchise it was built on, but by now it basically sustsins said franchise
People still tell horror stories of early fgo
A decade of qol later and you can still find things to be mad about
slow raft
People still tell horror stories of early fgo
But atleast the incompetency led to kojiro being named saviour of france so yknow
rapid bough
Its kinda funny that fgo wouldnt be nearly as popular if not the franchise it wa...
it's definitely wild to me how notoriously incompetent FGO is by modern gacha standards but still rakes in buckets of money
fate fans be wildin
slow raft
It endures on legacy and the strenght of its characters atp
old galleon
got entire systems here more or less mandating higher np dps gacha characters if that counts as incompetent : ^)
runic ether
if i got in to fate much earlier in my life, i'd probably be playing fgo in some capacity
old galleon
got servant coins, got 90++ and grand duels
sure, you can use lower rarity stuff for those, but you'll probably have a harder time doing it efficiently
(to be clear, fgo welfares are still by and large very good)
rapid bough
it's definitely wild to me how notoriously incompetent FGO is by modern gacha st...
azur lane also fits this in my eyes atp, though it's definitely incompetent and makes money in different ways than FGO
what's funniest to me is that azur lane has just given up on making gameplay engaging
they're all-in on the waifu parts of the game--3d dorm, island management, and ofc all the cosmetics
and honestly fair since that's what rakes in the dough
old galleon
azur lane's definition of engaging gameplay is plane hell : ^)
tho if i had space for it on this device i'd probably still be playing it
rapid bough
it's been a few months since i stopped playing and every now and again i check in
occasionally see a character or cosmetic that tempts me, but i've managed to stay away
and honestly i stay away primarily because i know myself, if i'm playing a game my brain neurotically has to go through the daily/weekly checklist
and doing that for azur lane was by far the most time consuming process of all the gacha i've played
making sure to keep commissions/skills/research rolling, opsi every month, not capping oil or coins, etc etc
so many chores to do in that game that slowly devour time, especially since there's STILL no sweep functionality for campaign or opsi farming
some QoL (especially addition of sweep) updates to make it not so much of a time sink might get me to come back
but like i said, they don't seem very concerned with updating gameplay atp
honestly gfl2 is getting way up there in terms of time sink too, starting to feel the squeeze there but i like the gameplay and characters more than i did with azur lane so it's not as much of a chore
rapid bough
🤮
rapid bough
i've never really wanted or felt the absence of a ZZZ autobattle
slow raft
I have
rapid bough
tbh not even sure how they'd implement it
slow raft
The only game that also doesnt have any is zzz
*that ive played
slow raft
tbh not even sure how they'd implement it
Auto comolete any of the farming stages that have already been cleared once
Imthe tickets for gear work well enough, just make it not ticket based
rapid bough
i think a sweep function for the battery spending stages would be welcome
but that's different from auto battle
slow raft
Oh i spoke of auto battle and sweep the same way
rapid bough
ah
slow raft
I just meant a eay to clear staged xouve already cleared without having to manually play them each time
wispy goblet
tbh you get to skip shiyu stages based on previous performance
slow raft
Well you still have to do some of them though
rapid bough
i definitely think that the ZZZ devs think the combat/battle gameplay is a huge highlight of the game and, for better or worse, force you to engage with it on a regular basis lol
hence no sweep for even the short battery stages
slow raft
"Engage"
rapid bough
except the limited tickets for disk farming
slow raft
Me holding left click on miyabi isnt exactly what id call engaging with the combat tbh
rapid bough
i mean i engage with it even on the braindead battery farming stages to make things as fast as possible
i could mash left click sure but that's objectively slower than grouping, using EX, swapping characters to stun, etc
slow raft
The fgo devs must think the same then
Thats why they force us to do the same stage thousand of times manually when lotto events come around
(Well, most people use third party software to do it for them by now)
rapid bough
yeah i think the FGO devs are just lazy and sitting on their laurels lol
the fact that ZZZ implemented a sweep for disk farming but it's limited and only works in that context says to me they could easily extend it elsewhere, they just don't want to because they want regular combat to be part of the gameplay loop
slow raft
I think its a stupid choice but its not my biggest gripe with the game anyways and zzz gameplay is simple enough that i can do it while working on other tasks
runic ether
honestly lowkey a big shame she doesnt has her annoyingly big sword case out at all times
its kind of fun
runic ether
man what even is the 6.2 genshin story even about
https://youtu.be/s1e55CgW7IQ?si=D4LZnwf45FBHsUQi
slow raft
X
rapid bough
honestly lowkey a big shame she doesnt has her annoyingly big sword case out at ...
it's hilarious to me that you think this after being so down on her design otherwise
since i think that sword case looks stupid as shit
rapid bough
those early days where maki was the strongest DPS in the game influences this a lot but i actually still use her quite a bit in 5-doll mobbing content since her intercept is goated
she's sorta been powercrept but i think more importantly there's no good ice team yet so she's overshadowed by hydro, corrosion, and now electric
pretty sure ice becomes viable with helen tho, so soon™
ah yes my favorite doll, "undefined"
the next slide also says i have 4 covenants but it's wrong, i only have 2 (maki and springfield) so this section is jank lol
runic ether
since i think that sword case looks stupid as shit
it is stupid af but thats part of why its kind of endearing to me lol
its like. so bad it loops back to being good type
rapid bough
yeah no lol
runic ether
it would definitely have given her more of a wuxia/cultivator feel
rapid bough
i ain't know what any of that shit means, i just know it looks stupid
runic ether
wuxia tales/cultivation tales are more or less what chinese shonen stories are
ridiculously over the top at nearly all times like shunguang's animations
its where the concept of a sword case with hundreds of swords is most promiment
the proxies dont fit the wuxia protag mark that well but shunguang fits a trope within them thanks to her swords and shit
timber sigil
she's sorta been powercrept but i think more importantly there's no good ice tea...
Don't forget AN-94/Alva as well
glossy latch
... wait why are Yidharis parents ||human||, she's ||a Thiren||
wispy goblet
||check hair||
runic ether
they gave up when animating yidhari's tentacles on other npcs
wispy goblet
||you know, does this imply Yidhari has a hairy ass||
rapid bough
... wait why are Yidharis parents ||human||, she's ||a Thiren||
they literally have octopus hair lol
i'm not spoilering it since you're just wrong
glossy latch
Do they?
wispy goblet
Yes
digital marlin
Yes
rapid bough
Yes
wispy goblet
This is where we discover Ovven just has very different conceptions of what normal hair is
old galleon
post them please
old galleon
the dad could probably pass, but yeah that shot of the mom is clearly tentacle
also i like their designs
glossy latch
Oh I never noticed that
digital marlin
smh
rapid bough
Oh I never noticed that
bruh
slow raft
Ovven is so faceblind he has now decided to not even look at peoples heads
glossy latch
I can still barely see it on the dad
And I guess you just never get a good look at the mom from the front?
... I did skip all of the dialogue though so that may be why
rapid bough
yes it's why lol
glossy latch
Their models in the event were not very readable though I will say
Also god I need to actually do the story to unlock Chisas echoes 😔
icy flicker
Oh I never noticed that
Ngl I also didn't notice that they were thyrens but I also don't give a damn about Ydhari and mashed through this quest like i was doing a world record speed run 
runic ether
i gave the quest a chance and it was pretty meh
the octopus thiren barely have anything notable octopus and thats a massive shame
digital marlin
the animators probably didnt want to do the work and tbh i get that
runic ether
still a shame
mental acorn
alright good enough
runic ether
mariachi sinclair spotted
rapid bough
the octopus thiren barely have anything notable octopus and thats a massive sham...
i feel alone in this chat not actually liking most full thiren designs and therefore not giving a shit when they just have like one characteristic
slow raft
im playing the zzz story and one of them mobs just said ||"protect the town"|| and i got a fucking war flashback
rapid bough
it's a lonely journey not being a furry
digital marlin
it's a lonely journey not being a furry
actually I'm with you
glossy latch
it's a lonely journey not being a furry
Have you considered not being a coward >:)
slow raft
event story asks me to align memories in the order i think they happened
start with the one i think is most likely the start
"no thats wrong, that cant be it"
forced to put the one i think is last first
some more story happens
"Ah, what shock! the memory we(yes, we!) thought was first is actually last"
mfw
turbid olive
Apparently P5X in China is getting a BOGO deal for 2 5* characters; if you pull one certain 5* char, you get the other for free. I've never heard of a gacha that has done this before.
summer hornet
How much does it cost?
(I am resisting the urge to, as Jot might say, upscale FGO)
mental acorn
late canto 7 dungeon ||what do you mean by that 
||
runic ether
||you know her ptsd as a vet from the smoke wars is intense as fuck||
||her canto will def be brutal for outis||
runic ether
slow raft
Gotta pull out the ol reliable
wispy goblet
have some time
pushing my campaign and hard mode forward
turbid olive
How much does it cost?
If you go hard pity, then 16,500 meta jewels/crystals from 110 pulls. Most people would get those from events and doing the story/event content, but if you're trying to get it from 0 gems, then it's probably gonna cost a pretty penny lmao.