what the devs were NOT hella based on is the favorite item super success odds
#Gacha Chat
rapid bough
btw if you can find a way to at least log in, if not play, you should because there's a 1000 day celebration login campaign going that gives 10 advanced vouchers and some (presumably limited) profile cosmetics
not unexpected but s.doro goes hard on this boss god damn
wispy goblet
rapid bough
this solo raid boss is annoying
it's one of those bosses with mechanics that are really difficult to clear without particular comps
the tentacles are total pain in the ass and if your comp can't kill them within like 3 seconds of spawning they start spazzing the fuck out and become insanely hard to target while also nuking your team
this was me mock battling
the bottom 3 are fine, i get to the end of the fight
snow white comp just fucking died since it can't kill the tentacles fast enough
and the top comp died early in phase 2 since that has two tentacles spawn simultaneously and it can't kill both in time
wispy goblet
allegedly
not killing the tentacles is damage optimal since you only face one interrupt phase instead of two
however
you will die
rapid bough
yes that is indeed the problem lol
dead nikkes don't do damage
i'm sure that's only a whale strat
or requires using a team that sacrifices damage for healing
in which case i struggle to imagine it's damage optimal compared to just using more DPS
gonna mock a few more battles though
i wanna try shotgun comp with bunny soda and off-burst drake instead of D:KW
and obviously i need a better team 4 lol, snow white comp ain't gonna work
rapid bough
i wanna try shotgun comp with bunny soda and off-burst drake instead of D:KW
ended up with a pretty negligible difference, bunny soda + off-burst drake did slightly more damage but i also played more optimally. pretty sure burst drake with D:KW CDR is actually better, all else being equal
and i bet that's just because you get more bursts with s.doro since she's like 70% of your squad's damage lol
rapid bough
yeah s.elegg really is just a water version of x.maiden
decent damage, great buffs
bout time an element other than electric got a good off-burst buffer
copper steppe
daw thats pretty cute
rapid bough
or requires using a team that sacrifices damage for healing
so i can confirm blanc can do this
she is enough to heal through the tentacles for me on her own
but the other standard healers like naga, maid mast, etc are not. they can only heal through every other tentacle spawn
wow that's higher than i expected
again i will likely be out of the top 3% by solo raid end tomorrow
i ended up abandoning being "fancy" with my last 2 comps and rolled out ol reliable stuff with tia/naga and blanc
when you don't have super high DPS you just need the healing as a crutch
shoutout shotgun team though, and by "shotgun team" i really mean doro because she was straight up like 1.5b of that 2.3 lol
wispy goblet
Apparently Soukaku and Seth are going to be the priority A Ranks next cycle
rapid bough
if that's true then hoyo really just be throwing shit at the wall lmao
rapid bough
oh i thought "next cycle" meant 2.2 lol
runic ether
we dont get banner leaks in 2.2 silly
rapid bough
soukaku and seth really help seed 
rapid bough
speaking of yanagi though i'm strongly considering picking up her wengine
i want a good primary electric DPS
yanagi is def good without her wengine but she kinda needs the rest of the mono electric comp to make it work well
i suck at harumasa
i could get sanby, but getting her working properly would require nutty investment everywhere else since she wants her wengine, trigger (who also wants her wengine), and orphie or seed
so i'm kinda feeling the vibe of getting yanagi wengine + trigger and her wengine next patch and having yuzu/yanagi/trigger on tap for electric weak content
runic ether
speaking of yanagi though i'm strongly considering picking up her wengine
could be a good idea. tho i'd check if m1 > p1
hoyo has been on that recently in their other games rn
versed pawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFsmzBdfG-I ey official gameplay leaks
they both look kinda crazy
augusta specifically
mortal iron
electro agenda maintained
How good is she
mortal iron
good morning tachyon nation
slow raft
mortal iron
glossy latch
Ah fuck Augusta looks pretty sick
slow raft
X
glossy latch
Kuro keeps wanting my astrites
slow raft
X
versed pawn
c2 citali casually making my mauvika deal 500-600k more
orchid elbow
I FINALLY completed a career with, like, full goals.
runic ether
How good is she
shes around like kinich tier without as much effort
slow raft
X
mortal iron
shes around like kinich tier without as much effort
okay good i can pass
mental acorn
https://x.com/luvlycocos/status/1949981106276847989
manticore spotted
runic ether
okay good i can pass
yea fair for sure
slow raft
mortal iron
alexa play lord of the speed
old galleon
kinda surprised this doesn't seem to have been posted yet but they got an interview with the model thought to be nasu's inspiration for arcueid
pretty neat stuff
slow raft
Only 160 rolls 
old galleon
rhodes island taking on an unwilling sap lol
long tree
Arknights not use children to fight their wars challenge
silver osprey
If anything it's a stop tricking people in employment challenge
long tree
brother thats a fragment of god
Just because your child is jesus doesnt mean you send him into war
Cause then this happens
glossy latch
Wuthering Waves 2.5 quest was really good
maiden veldt
oh wow i member this.
wispy goblet
maiden veldt
🤨
rapid bough
is she your second or third liberation nikke? i know you got quency first, i forget whether you took a detour to nihilister after
wispy goblet
ngl I'm tempted
rapid bough
her burst is permanently in one of my lobby slots
wispy goblet
I have 269 pulls rn
but we have a lot of reruns upcoming too....
rapid bough
how much golden mileage do you have
wispy goblet
339
but 200 of that is earmarked for Summer Doro
vernal snow
we allowed to send pull pics here?
old galleon
yes but don't spam
if you have a whole bunch of them at once, best to put them in an imgur album or something
wispy goblet
if you send a bunch of pictures at once, Discord will fit them into one message album thing
we slowly improve
gleaming rampart
old galleon
weren't you gonna go for zerktoria
toxic cloud
The Artoria dream is dead
toxic cloud
Nodding
vernal snow
if you have a whole bunch of them at once, best to put them in an imgur album or...
kk ty
second multi in the new banner
honest pawn
if you can tolerate waiting she should rerun next year
genuinely unhinged statement I'm sorry
I went through three whole relationships in one year bro I can't wait that long to pull a unit I'm gonna use to aurafarm
old galleon
then it's a good thing that advice wasn't directed to you : ^)
also i thought you dropped fgo
honest pawn
I did, I just wanted to take the chance to talk about how punishing this system is
old galleon
fair enough
clairvoyance does mitigate it to an extent but it's still easy to get burned
honest pawn
I do have committment issues admittedly but I despise login streaks
runic ether
second multi in the new banner
nice. i managed to get outis but i dont have either enough to shard meursault's ego or pull for it. oh well. maybe over the course of this season.
honest pawn
lemme read outis' numbers rq
vernal snow
nice. i managed to get outis but i dont have either enough to shard meursault's ...
Im tremor's strongest warrior so i had to get both
im just happy they came in so early
wispy goblet
looking at some pre-release alice gameplay and guides
the temptation grows
summer hornet
Might be the most insane ten pull I think I’ve ever had
(Funny part is that I was only rolling for Awakened Banshee)
old galleon
next batch of summer characters in gbf are lich and cassius
s lich just looks like both her other versions but earth with a smattering of ca support
cassius looks like a decent-ish wind auto attacker but he doesn't have his own assassin so he still probably loses to narm
cassius looks ripped and lich is cute but i'm not too fussed about either of them
vernal snow
but I have no idea what coin start means
it must be something like
before the coin is rolled but after the previous one
or something like that
honest pawn
huh
slow raft
New challenger for the title of yapper supreme?
https://x.com/them_failure/status/1950786056544039292
X
silver osprey
QoH and Angela got competition
lusty egret
Might be the most insane ten pull I think I’ve ever had
OwO
slow raft
checked the numberson the new stuff, seem pretty solid all around
outis skill 1 is a bit underwhelming but thats skill 1s for you
the condition for the additional tremor bursts on meursaults ego are also very consistent to achieve which is great
slow raft
X
lusty egret
damn this tower event is hard
The moment UR Phoenix Gundam can't one shot unit even on level 1 (which is my test bench to determine an event difficuly), I know am gonna get screwed going forward...
mortal iron
yeah currently im at floor 12
char's gelgoog is beating my ass
i should call GQX amuro
lusty egret
Which Amuro?
mortal iron
the one that kept killing char
lusty egret
lusty egret
I like to imagine GQX Amuro is watching over Char & Lalah and threaten him the moment if he's unable to be good boyfriend
Like, Shuji only get off easy just being told, but Char won't get the same luxury from him
mortal iron
yeah, i read she's crazy good
i think it being seed era lacus is funny
she only wears that fit to just neg athrun
lusty egret
Dang
mortal iron
yeah they were never gonna be a good couple
athrun is too duty bound
and lacus negs this shit out of him
compare how she never once does the same to kira
not even in freedom
lusty egret
It's arranged marriage after all
mortal iron
that too
*pointing a gun at her also didnt help, that was basically the final nail in the coffin
lusty egret
Athrun prefer his natural tomboy blonde
Also Athrun Cagalli is just a perfect couple, it's the only Coordinator x Natural SEED pairing
Which could paved the way to better future in Cosmic Era
mortal iron
yeah and also they are just far more interesting than kira and lacus
lusty egret
There's nothing wrong about Kira & Lacus, but also there's nothing interesting about them
mortal iron
theyre only interesting in freedom coz they get drag to the dirt
lusty egret
The only other Coordinator & Natural ship is Kira x Flay, and that one is toxic
mortal iron
that one was actually interesting, coz it was built up with a conclusion to it
flay is an unlikeable character but she probably is one of the better written characters in seed
fully realized compared to others
lusty egret
Yeah I don't hate Flay as most people do since she got character arc
And actually trying to redeem herself but nihilism-man say no
mortal iron
me when i could kill kira but it was funnier to kill his situationship
i respect the bit
lusty egret
Yeah dude has hater energy
Not sure if age plays into it but I generally tend to be more forgiving to Gundam character most people dislike or find controversial
Character like Reccoa, Quess, Hathaway, & Flay
I still hate Scirocco don't worry, no redeeming him
mortal iron
Oh yeah everyone hates scirocco
but yeah, now a non pilot can be playable
i guess we could get a playable haro
lusty egret
Finally, a Haro pilot for my beeg Haro unit...
old galleon
that new octopath traveler game is just taking a lot of stuff from cotc
as if there was even less reason to play cotc now lol
hell it's arguably even better imo since you get to actually make your own character instead of having to lead with one of the gacha characters
(to be clear i like this a lot; i had grown fatigued with/bored of/flat out didn't like cotc that much after a while, but getting some of its best features in a regular game is good)
honest pawn
what's cotc
astral drift
wispy goblet
"I'm not going to pull for Alice; I already have Piper"
look at upcoming agents to pull that will help complete a Piper team
Alice
timber sigil
@rapid bough @idle grove in regard to the interactive dorms
the Klukai special gacha animation is way too saucy for this chat so i cannot post it sadly
rapid bough
yeah i've been watching the gfl2 subreddit explode about the gacha cosmetic banner
timber sigil
surely mica realise this is a bad idea
rapid bough
if the info that's coming out is true, it puts even nikke's $60 gacha skins to shame
it'd be like $200 to guarantee the "banner" item
old galleon
every day altera is only proven more and more correct
rapid bough
like gfl2 is overall a pretty generous game and i've gotten by comfortably on basically only buying monthly passes and keeping up with content
old galleon
rapid bough
its main source of income so far has probably been more the fact that it's super catered to whales due to how important dupes are
dupes aren't necessary for casual to moderate clearing so i don't feel obligated to drop big bucks as a light spender, but if you want to optimize for high rank clears they're literally mandatory
timber sigil
now if anyone does wanna see the Klukai anim I can send kek
rapid bough
and because banners are hoyo rate and dupes go up to 6, that's a fuckton of pulls for even one maxed out char
thus: whales
cosmetics have been there too and some are quite good, though i only own 2 skins and barely paid for either since i just bought them with the currency i'd idly accumulated from buying monthly passes
but it seems like this cosmetic banner is mica going all-in on skin monetization which is like... whatever on the face of it since the rest of the game is generous enough, but the pricing and odds of this new system they're introducing are utter insanity
neon ore
glossy latch
Yknow I really do wonder why Genshin doesnt give new characters like, more involved control schemes
runic ether
ultimately genshin does want to remain simple for more casual players
that said, they are apparently going back and doing model updates and kit updates to old characters in 6.x patches so
who knows
wispy goblet
also
you guys have phones, don't you?
glossy latch
Oh apparently Genshin is gonna have an update that reveals the hidden 4th stat on relics
Pls bring that to every game
wispy goblet
okay I actually need some insight here
I could pull Alice so I have another anomaly unit and an S Rank physical unit
I do have Piper, but my anomaly/anomaly support space is pretty limited, and Alice would actually improve that significantly
Alternatively, I pull for Trigger for another stunner
another stunner would fill a gap I have
but it would primarily be in service for Zhu Yuan (or Yixuan to a lesser extent)
and I do have (non-M6) Pulchra and Ju Fufu already
rapid bough
i'd probably go for alice in your shoes
fufu and trigger sort of fill the same niche as off-field stunners
so getting trigger is sort of doubling up on that type of character. also trigger is bigly wengine reliant so "ideally" you want both her and her weapon
whereas alice just fills a new role
and yeah ik you have piper but alice is probably so much better that it's almost a noncomparison lol
wispy goblet
tbh I'd probably end up running something like Alice/Piper/Lucy
apparently Alice/Piper is a decently strong core
runic ether
thank you for being generous mr. kim
men
rapid bough
tbh I'd probably end up running something like Alice/Piper/Lucy
apparently Alice...
surely you put yuzu in here lol
silver osprey
Arknights is adding spanish voice acting for Thorns + Lodestar, Irene, Lumen, Weedy, Rose Salt and Elysium
wispy goblet
reasonable
is Piper/Yanagi/Lucy real
rapid bough
probably not, but miyabi/yanagi/X sure is
honest pawn
I now own every Yi Sang ID (except the check-in event one)
wispy goblet
if I were to pull Yanagi, I feel like I'd want her to lead her own team
rapid bough
i think she can only do that if you have either vivian/burnice for disorder spam, or mono-shock with rina/qingyi or trigger or something
yuzu probably substitutes for rina there too
glossy latch
She should
wispy goblet
hmmm
I have some time to think about it, at least
glossy latch
Grace also works for mono-electric Yanagi
wispy goblet
I'm also catching up on leveling and skilling with the units I already have
rapid bough
i think both alice and yanagi benefit your account approximately the same amount right now, but i'd bet money yanagi gets more use over time
she just has so much possible synergy due to her ability to switch between disorder abuse or just abuse electric weakness with shock comps
i don't think alice has that same kind of versatility
wispy goblet
forced Assault/Disorder trigger is some shit that scratches my Johnny teambuilding brain
rapid bough
be sure to pull vivian whenever she reruns
nothing hits quite like triggering anomaly, disorder, and a bunch of ablooms at once
(also vivian is just really good and worth pulling)
wispy goblet
okay we will hope for an early Alice pull
and Trigger runs in the second part of 2.2
honest pawn
I hate you
runic ether
im surprised u dont like short blonde twinks
wispy goblet
Watching this Yanagi guide
I don't think she's the character for me
glossy latch
Fwiw in practice she tends to be really simple
You just press special sometimes to switch stances and hold special to do damage
digital marlin
Watching this Yanagi guide
I don't think she's the character for me
😢
wispy goblet
Fwiw in practice she tends to be really simple
I've trialed with her
There's just something off about her gamefeel to me
I dunno
slow raft
thats insane
i still need to figure out optimal play for both knight rodya and leisault
i assume for knight rodya you want her in negative sanity mode for the most part?
slow raft
yeah the numbers just seem far better if youre not in need of a tank
runic ether
for leisault i just went in on his special shots to finish fights asap
slow raft
do you just spam defense to get her there faster or what?
runic ether
she only needs to spam her defense once
first turn defense
and she immediately becomes depressed
and her own mechanic will eat 15 sanity from there
slow raft
right, you already lose 15 sp on base
runic ether
of course tho the problem actually comes in with keeping her there
she wins clashes
a lot
so she regains sanity
and sometimes it entirely offsets her drain
slow raft
all else fails you can pop an ego
slow raft
but i am aware of how to manipulate sanity, i played n corp sinclair for far too long
runic ether
oh is he also a negative coin andy
slow raft
yea
was the most busted unti in the game for a while
tho you couldnt tell that nowadays lmao
runic ether
what happened to him outside of power creep
oh does he not have a safety net like rodya
slow raft
that too
runic ether
she cant fall below 40 (she will never lose a clash 
)
slow raft
but he also got basically nothing in uptie 4 because he was so good already so everyone else caught up with him
slow raft
he simply suffers from not being an id released in the last 3 canto syndrome
for leisault im am relatively confident in my grasp on his kit i just need to get a better feel for how to use his bullets when
like, some fights you for sure want to just coutner first turn and blow your load instantly
runic ether
for leisault im am relatively confident in my grasp on his kit i just need to ge...
my feel for it has been: he has non-special bullets? empty the clip. get the special bullets and spam winrate
5 unbreakable coins
its very silly
slow raft
Yeah like i said, i imagine you just want to use counter turn one to get the savage tigermark rounds instantly
Probably in every non drawn out fight
But that wont fly for railway i dont think
runic ether
idk about railway yet but ultimately yeah just go into savage tiger rounds and winrate has been good. sometimes i let him eat some rounds if i need to build sins
honest pawn
I finally am confident enough to continue playing canto 7
slow raft
Im p sure to fully stack overheat you also need to actually spend th rounds with skill, though maybe reloading counts as "spending ammo"
runic ether
i believe it does cus his hat flies off the same was as if it was spent
its very funny when an enemy doesnt clash into him cus they get staggered off a prior attack and he just stands there hat flying off for no reason
slow raft
i believe it does cus his hat flies off the same was as if it was spent
Im getting word from the hivemind that you do need to manually spend them if you want the max effect from overheat
runic ether
well at least my gut feeling to not immediately go into savage mode vs bosses was correct
slow raft
Fwiw, it doesnt change anything if you simply kill the boss before you run out of bullets
X
rapid bough
old galleon
chen gong: give me more arrows
runic ether
https://x.com/Death_X13_/status/1950887024010863038
funny thing is acheron charts as well with 2x support or 3x support than she does with any e0 nihility support(s)
runic ether
Fwiw, it doesnt change anything if you simply kill the boss before you run out o...
true
digital marlin
Man these memes go hard
runic ether
wym need to genderbend the round table 
slow raft
You dont understand, Its essential for the story that the knights of the round table become women
runic ether
we need lancelot x gwynevere to be lesbian cucking not just regular cucking
slow raft
Well 2/3 of the people involved in thaz are alreqdy women in the fate verse so we might aswell complete the set
runic ether
true true
wait how did mordred happen again here?
artoria + morgan??
unless mordred was just a lab baby
slow raft
A wizard did it, iirc
Oh actually in the case of mordred it was 2 wizards, technically
old galleon
wait how did mordred happen again here?
it was morgan, yes
runic ether
ik it was morgan but i was wondering how
both of them are women tho wizard/magic works
old galleon
something about stealing sperm from saber who had been given a dick by the dick mage previously or something
runic ether
hmm
slow raft
"Artoria, normally female, was a pseudo-male at the time due to Merlin's magecraft in order to consummate her marriage with Guinevere. During this time Morgan enchanted Artoria with a spell to extract sperm from her. Morgan developed it within her own ovary, and made the child into a homunculus-like clone of Artoria."
runic ether
interesting maneuver
ig they did need to resolve the issue of guinevere + artoria's marriage in some capacity
slow raft
The amount of freaks at camelot is honestly astounding
old galleon
many such cases
slow raft
Atleast gawain is like
Mostly normal
runic ether
lol
old galleon
isn't gareth the most normal one of them
runic ether
wait whats wrong with the other knights? aside from
slow raft
Yeah
slow raft
Tristan has a thing for married women, agravain is mysogynist supreme
Merlin is honestly just a whole deal, you already read about what morgan was up to
old galleon
agravain is mysogynist supreme
yeah literally with the "i hate women" screencap i'm sure everyone's seen lol
runic ether
oh boy being a mysoginist when your "king" is a
slow raft
His perception of women is quite messed up due to his mother being morgan le fae
runic ether
ah
right
he is one of morgan's kids too
its gareth, gawain, mordred, agravain who else did she have that joined up?
i think one more
old galleon
name names and i'll tell you if they're in fgo
(idk all her children off teh top of my head)
old galleon
gaheris has been mentioned but isn't playable
runic ether
ah
slow raft
He imposes the restriction of "the battle must not be inhumane" on proto arthurs seal thirteen, thats all i know about him lol
Honestly, seal thirteen is so cool, i wish female arthur also had it
runic ether
how do they handle isolde with the concept of tristan being into married women
old galleon
i don't think isolde has made a proper appearance unless i'm forgetting something
runic ether
shame
slow raft
No proper appearance yet, only tristan being a weirdo every now and then
slow raft
Bedivere is most of the focus in the camelot singularity
Course, mordred lancelot and gawain also get a bit
runic ether
bedivere? ah i assume then that singularity is a story of returning the sword
interesting character
slow raft
bedivere? ah i assume then that singularity is a story of returning the sword
In a sense
slow raft
Course, mordred lancelot and gawain also get a bit
Gawain getting giga humbled by gramps looks so cool in the anime
old galleon
if they don't make gramps grand assassin in the grand duels i'm gonna be upset
runic ether
an invincible knight getting humbled? despite his legend being about how he had to get humbled?
some ppl dont learn
old galleon
tbf i don't think any of them expected an enemy on gramps' level
runic ether
grand assassin grandpa fair lol
grand assassin the one assassin that gets shit done in fate series?
or does he job like other assassins just for the nature of the class
in terms of storytelling anyhow
old galleon
gramps is by all means not a jobber
runic ether
who is grand assassin
slow raft
The first hassan
slow raft
Honestly he just aurafarms in singularities 6 and 7
old galleon
dude is either definitely or at least close to mvp in both of those stories
slow raft
"Immortality? Nah, not anymore"
runic ether
kojiro was cool sure
but every other assassin had been getting mogged
in some capacity
slow raft
Assasins draw the short end of the stuck quite a bit yeah
old galleon
strange fake ||there's an assassin character that does some shit there too but i'll leave the details out for now; idk fi the anime will cover it||
runic ether
its an interesting class for sure but
i cant see how the class ever gets to truly do anything much
digital marlin
Well it's just the nature of the Assassin class tbf
runic ether
if there was a truly successful assassin, it'd be a short grail war
not very interesting
old galleon
yeah narratively having the class that's designed to silently kill (esp masters() doesn't make for a super compelling story
generaly anyway
runic ether
in the same way that i cant see berserker win a grail war
old galleon
anyway, in this essay, i'll discuss why mata hari is one of the best assassins lore-wise : ^)
runic ether
honestly? i dont think casters would make super compelling winners a lot of the time too
digital marlin
A berserker with a competent master I can see winning tbh
digital marlin
Oh
runic ether
madness enhancement def would make it difficult to truly get attached to the pair
slow raft
There are a fair number of casters in fgo who break that stereotype but generally you are right
digital marlin
Yesn't
slow raft
madness enhancement def would make it difficult to truly get attached to the pai...
Tbf
Theres like 50 berserkers who can talk normally at this point
digital marlin
Berserker wouldnt work for a normal story
slow raft
They are just insane in different ways
digital marlin
But I feel like they can do a comedic one tbh
runic ether
being truly mad makes the class what it is (as an antagonistic force)
but if they are mad in other ways, i guess that can be okay
old galleon
or they could just be fgo and ignore the whole insanity part of the class to make berserkers who are capable of proper communication
slow raft
Like penthesilea is totaly normal and you can have good conversation with her
Do NOT show up with any greek hero tho
runic ether
ah right strange fake's jack the ripper was a berserker though flats being the summoner and the servant being... who it is. def makes it more of a unique case.
digital marlin
You can say it's a strange case
old galleon
yeah sf jack is fun
runic ether
Like penthesilea is totaly normal and you can have good conversation with her
Do...
okay that feels like it'd be fun
and a good way to have a narrative with a winning berserker
so its still kind of just assassin
at least for me imo
and caster somewhat
where i dont see either class winning a grail war
(narrative)
slow raft
Caster has the stereotype of just holing up and building castles but there are a few proactive casters
runic ether
im sure there are powerful enough in both in the lore
slow raft
And besides, id totally cheer on avicebro
digital marlin
I feel a bit it's based on the servants themselves and the writers too reallly
runic ether
yeah partially tho again thats part of why?
slow raft
Maybe like a shakespeare or an anderson i wouldnt see winning
runic ether
writers would generally gravitate towards the more heroic classes
old galleon
And besides, id totally cheer on avicebro
given avicebron's track record in an actual grail war, i don't think i can agree with this
runic ether
saber, lancer, archer, rider
old galleon
tho his characterization in fgo is definitely more positive
digital marlin
Oh yeah multiple of apocs servanslts characterization actually continue in fgo
runic ether
shame
slow raft
Clearly, if we want to have nasu write a caster winning a grail war, we simply need to make artoria one
old galleon
we can even name her artoria caster so it's totally clear she's not saber
runic ether
i was 90% sure mordred was winning apocrypha somehow
just cus shes basically artoria
2
digital marlin
She and her master really did have the MCs aura
slow raft
we can even name her artoria caster so it's totally clear she's not saber
Alcas is such a stupid nickname btw, idk why they are trying to force it
runic ether
oh wait u guys are serious
runic ether
Alcas is such a stupid nickname btw, idk why they are trying to force it
this is stupid
digital marlin
About Castoria existing yes
runic ether
why are they so insistent on altria
and then giving her cas like caster?
ewww
is artoria really so offensive
are they really so attached to altria
digital marlin
Altria caster
slow raft
One of them is morgan tho
old galleon
lb6 bullshit
digital marlin
Oh God
digital marlin
Trying to explain it would be a very long story
runic ether
did they really not want to create a new character for one of the most famous... mages in our real history?
old galleon
||she's not technically artoria but prior to her effectively falling into tyranny her character design as aesc teh savior is an artoriaface||
slow raft
Fwiw, morgan does look different later in life, this ascensionnis more of a flashback
runic ether
im unironically a bit bothered by this
runic ether
have we shown you how morgan normally looks?
no idts
slow raft
This is also not proper human history so 
runic ether
so alternate history morgan was just artoria
old galleon
yeah i guess that's an important qualifier: the depictions are of lostbelt characters, not those in proper human history
old galleon
(the veil is a costume, her default lacks it)
runic ether
oh thats similar enough to her apocrypha outfit
im still bothered with her looking like artoria
or being artoria
slow raft
Shes not artoria in the lodtbelt either its just
Complicated
Lb6 is like what
2 times as long as stay night?
Its a bit hard to explain
runic ether
then why did they make her look... ah whatever they just wanna sell her
runic ether
Lb6 is like what
2 times as long as stay night?
Its a bit hard to explain
all routes included??
old galleon
doubly so since part of her character after summoning her is acting as your spouse
digital marlin
all routes included??
slow raft
It is kinda weird what they did to morgan and melusine
old galleon
all routes included??
i'm not convinced it's longer than all routes combined but it is long
slow raft
But hey as long as morgan keeps gifting me qp i wont complain
digital marlin
Loving bring out the pic
runic ether
i feel like melusine would also be an excuse to make a "wife" character huh
but wait
if u know her tale
that'd be like
#1 reason to keep away
old galleon
melu doesn't pull the spouse card on you
old galleon
ofc that doesn't stop people from liking her and all
slow raft
melu doesn't pull the spouse card on you
Its just a bit off putting that she acts so infatuated with fujimaru
Or rather, it feels out of nowhere
The best explanation ive heard is tjat she needs something to fill the void aurora left
digital marlin
I blame the Lancelot part
old galleon
obligatory fuck aurora
runic ether
given that her tale involves denying a man marriage until he promises never to look at her on saturday(iirc?) and then ripping him to shreds when he breaks his promise
slow raft
I blame the Lancelot part
Oh true
runic ether
wouldnt wanna involve any sort of relationship with a "melusine"
slow raft
Latent lancelot genes axtivating when she find out her queen has a spouse
runic ether
i named my pf2e character melusine exactly for this reason
slow raft
https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-green-goblin-mask-mask-scene-reject-urge-gif-2558149218007024011
runic ether
lancelot is melusine?
old galleon
not quite
runic ether
...does this apply to the lancelot in zero?
slow raft
No
old galleon
no
runic ether
darn
old galleon
it's some lb6 stuff that involves giving them the names of round table knights
melusine's is tam lin lancelot
slow raft
In the camelor lostbelts, certain faeries get round table knights stapled onto them
Barghest is gawain
runic ether
ahh
slow raft
And baobhan is tristan
old galleon
ye
digital marlin
They got powers for the name
runic ether
okay it kinda fits with the tale of tristan and isolde there
honest pawn
YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
runic ether
barghest as gawain hmmmm
honest pawn
runic ether
idk if that fits too well
slow raft
Whats the diversion point again? The faeries couldnt be assed to make excalibur so vepar wiped the world except fae britain?
old galleon
pretty much
runic ether
blame the fae for everything
old galleon
excalibur is the reason, ye
runic ether
wait so whats the mix between lancelot and melusine? thats kind of polar opposites same as stated before
or was it just randomized
though tristan/baobhan sith makes some thematic sense
a succubus-like vampire and a knight that was somewhat forced to fall in love due to a potion so both themes are forced romance in a sense
barghest and gawain also feel off
i dont think gawain ever had dog-like themes
unless they are going super old on this
like ghost-like
old galleon
idk how particularly close or deep the connections are but i think in melu's case it's at least partly to do with lancelot being the knight of the lake or something of that sort
runic ether
cus iirc barghest was also referring to ghosts
ohhh good point
i forget that melusine is supposed to be a serpent
half-serpent anyways
slow raft
I think its also prudent to mention that melusine isnt her actual name
runic ether
knight of the lake - serpent
slow raft
Nor her true self
old galleon
lb6 spoilers ||yeah there's also the whole transforming into a giant dragon thing||
slow raft
Like i said, lb6 is alot
runic ether
i think u could reason that ultimately, an attaching point was infidelity
lancelot cucked his king
melusine was betrayed likewise by her husband
runic ether
lb6 spoilers ||yeah there's also the whole transforming into a giant dragon thin...
i see the connection
old galleon
||if it means anything she's also known as albion||
runic ether
||if it means anything she's also known as albion||
???
isnt that what we used to call england??
how is that a
old galleon
like guy said, lb6 is a lot
runic ether
im guessing they are going with the original name meaning and not the fact that its the core of what eventually became albania
slow raft
Albion has a different meaning in the world of magecraft
old galleon
it goes into reverse side of the world shit
which i'm not really equipped to explain very well
runic ether
hmm
slow raft
The last pure blood dragon whos corpse in phh i think is the foundation for the clock tower?
runic ether
i feel like this was referenced
ah
yeah
in something in case files i think
that the clock tower hides something
so the corpse of a dragon, albion, was where they built the clock tower
and they named the country then i guess after the dragon they settled on top of?
slow raft
Btw the reason why barghest got gawain was literally as a kind of seal to stop the calamity that she would eventually become
slow raft
Kind of forcing a "role" onto her
runic ether
slow raft
She would be a righteous knight instead of an island devouring catastrophe
runic ether
idk if a barghest is capable of all that but you do you fgo
old galleon
fgo barghest is certainly a threat
digital marlin
She's also got a banger theme
slow raft
Nodiffed by fluffy i fear
old galleon
in lb6 there are calamities predicted to bring ruin to the isle, she's one of them
floofy is just on another level, hardly a fair comparison
runic ether
if the calamity was a tall massive woman with big muscles i'd also like to keep her around rather than killing her
slow raft
I was gonna say "idk if morgan swings that way" but sje literally makes you her spouse no matter your gender so
runic ether
thats kinda based of her actually
slow raft
I mean after her last husband id also take anyone
runic ether
unfortunately for her she's probably among the top 5 least desirable partners from famous historical figures
old galleon
honestly i wouldn't blame her for giving up on love entirely
slow raft
Im honestly suprised she hasnt given up on men completely after that
honest pawn
she is so pretty
slow raft
unfortunately for her she's probably among the top 5 least desirable partners fr...
How high are the chances a majority of them are in fgo
slow raft
she is so pretty
True and real
runic ether
i'd say pretty high
old galleon
if 3 of 5 is the goal i'd say reasonable odds
runic ether
she is so pretty
indeed
digital marlin
I was gonna say "idk if morgan swings that way" but sje literally makes you her ...
She did it at first simply due to her being a queen and not the anting bending to the master servant relationship. So it was title till she warms up to you
runic ether
i know tamamo no mae is in the fate series and in no doubt shes in fgo for sure
she's in the top 5
honest pawn
I missed out on my chance to get regret paus but I got lucky on my guaranteed 3* ticket and I got sinclair so my tremor team is 4/6 of the way there
digital marlin
Mikon 
old galleon
i know tamamo no mae is in the fate series and in no doubt shes in fgo for sure
correct
slow raft
She actually in fgo multiple times, does that count for anything
runic ether
multiple chances to deny her
digital marlin
~~She actually in fgo multiple times, does that count for anything~~
No
old galleon
not until they finally add tamamo aria
digital marlin
Especially considering 1/2 of them aren't actually tamas but that's a whole other can of worms
runic ether
oh geez where to start
historical figures are full of ppl who made for/would be awful partners
slow raft
Does kriemhild count?
runic ether
kriemhild is uhhh
digital marlin
I wouldn't count her at all
runic ether
siegfried's wife?
digital marlin
Yes
slow raft
But that was an honest mistake
slow raft
No malice from her part
runic ether
it was on siegfried
slow raft
In fact the opposite even
runic ether
okay julius caesar
digital marlin
He's in here
old galleon
caesar is in the game, yes
digital marlin
Man
old galleon
nero is in the game in several forms
digital marlin
That's 4 in
slow raft
Lets not talk about caesar in fate
digital marlin
NO LETS TALK ABOUT HIM
slow raft
Shes not really saber in red shes like the complete opposite
old galleon
umu
runic ether
saber is nero in blue?
slow raft
People just callnher that cause gigguk made a bad video some years ago
digital marlin
old galleon
||she's also got a beast form who's even playable||
runic ether
nero being an evil of humanity is a bit too on the nose
hmmm ik fate has had indian rep
slow raft
Ok but she looks great in evil
digital marlin
it does
runic ether
though i cant think of too many notable historical figures in indian mythos
slow raft
hmmm ik fate has had indian rep
Some
slow raft
So idk much about her but like
Salome is a berserker, so surely shes atleast not all right in the head?
digital marlin
old galleon
yes, medb is in the game
slow raft
Oh i thought we were just talking about women
digital marlin
Bluebeard?
runic ether
nah its why i reached into caesar
runic ether
Bluebeard?
hes in fate thanks to zero no
oh right right they did the whole
gilles de rais/bluebeard connection there iirc
oh well there we go another one in there
gilles de rais
runic ether
mccool is in fgo but idr his legend being that bad of him being a terrible partner just...
to say the least
it was messy though
slow raft
Less of a bad partner and more of a "wouldnt want to be his partner" ig
runic ether
oh fair yeah
historical bad luck with their so's should count
oh sigurd for sure
well
depends on how u would interpret his tale
digital marlin
i feel like greek would take a couple of pages on this
runic ether
easily
slow raft
Paris
runic ether
caenis, achilles, oddyseus, for sure
slow raft
All of those are in
runic ether
caenis was an abusive husband to his various wives
achilles well
we all know what happened and his following crashout
and the oddysey was literally called as such
sappho was normal but gay
slow raft
Poor achilles was created before they gave all the greek servants a coolness multiplier
runic ether
diarmuid is in fate so
slow raft
Alas
runic ether
Poor achilles was created before they gave all the greek servants a coolness mul...
what was said multiplier
slow raft
They gave them mechs
runic ether
damn
wait does heracles have a mech
or does he fall into the unfortate camp of "came too early to get a mech"
digital marlin
slow raft
Too early
digital marlin
dont worry once his archer self comes out you wont even remember the mechs
slow raft
TRUTH STELLA
runic ether
i've heard that he'd be a goated archer
which makes sense
but u cant tease archer heracles and never show him proper
im also not including medea into this list btw she was in the right for her actions
jason on the flipside...
eh
what he did was bad ultimately but
he wasnt a bad partner to her until the end
depending on the story u go by, their children dying wasnt even at medea's fault and was part of the reason they both crashed out
slow raft
We dont talk about jason in early fgo
runic ether
i can picture how badly that trope would go if we dont talk about it
im guessing hes a gross womanizer bc he was chasing after another woman while married to medea
or
it makes medea's character worse to justify her hatred of him/his existence in the series
slow raft
Troias tragoedia and antares snipe simply cant compare i fear
https://youtu.be/TKH_e9Xng8s?si=q_ZXiEaUtxhAGjxe
runic ether
lmfao
slow raft
im guessing hes a gross womanizer bc he was chasing after another woman while ma...
More in this direction, in general hes just a douche tho
runic ether
holy fuck lmfao
wait
i was just not expecting the trojan horse to have been a mech
"yeah the trojan horse was a mech"
and im guessing then the argo was a spaceship/battleship
slow raft
Idk actually
digital marlin
er mostly a "normal" ship from the glimpes we got at it
runic ether
thats odd
so it was def a conscious decision to have had ancient greece have some high tech shit
digital marlin
runic ether
but some more mundane tech
yeah thats some dissonance
i like the idea that they had extremely high tech but still some spots were not there
but it does read like mismatches in the writing room
slow raft
Ok so
digital marlin
most of the high tech started with lb5 and the gods
slow raft
The mismatched mostly come due to lostbelt shenanigans
runic ether
ah
slow raft
Where in lb5 the lynchpin is that the gods never give up their mechanoid forms because zeus grabs all authority iirc
runic ether
of course its zeus
slow raft
And the servants from that peroid have the mechs
runic ether
i do vaguely remember that the gods are machines
runic ether
wait there arent that many greek heroes huh
digital marlin
Artemis sort of
runic ether
then in apoc we saw atalante, achilles, and chiron
slow raft
Right andromeda
slow raft
Do the apollolings count as a mech?
slow raft
Stheno and euryale too
runic ether
oh neat
slow raft
Jason atalante herc and medea are all we have of the argonauts i think
digital marlin
bro
runic ether
caenus was an argonaut iirc
slow raft
Right uhhh
runic ether
but he was already mentioned
slow raft
I forgot his fucking name
runic ether
pelias too?
slow raft
Labyrinth guy
runic ether
theseus?
slow raft
Yea him
digital marlin
Ascelius
digital marlin
Castor and pollux too
runic ether
idr
slow raft
Asclepius
runic ether
i used to know a good chunk of the argonauts off the top
slow raft
Asterios also
digital marlin
man i will never remember his name correctly
slow raft
Right andromeda
She does have a mech i forgor
https://youtu.be/ybqkX0g-SuE?si=nx77KDMjDEKAuRJa
runic ether
put 3 ppl who are experts at anything but being on a boat onto a boat
slow raft
Super orion is grand archer and he kinda has artemis so that counts
(Asterios being the minotaur)
digital marlin
labyrinths are so interesting you can get lost with the ideas you can come up with them
slow raft
Galatea is the mech so thats anotha one
runic ether
Super orion is grand archer and he kinda has artemis so that counts
kinda has artemis? like they share a summon?
slow raft
She supports him
digital marlin
in the og servant she hijacks the saint graph
runic ether
Galatea is the mech so thats anotha one
thats kinda random
runic ether
She supports him
oh busted
slow raft
Indeed
runic ether
divine archery powers lets go
digital marlin
oh super orion
slow raft
divine archery powers lets go
The only projectile hes throwing is hands most of the time tbh
runic ether
glad that at least one archer uses a bow
slow raft
Grand archer still tho
digital marlin
digital marlin
The Man Arash
slow raft
The only projectile hes throwing is hands most of the time tbh
Look at him tho, id do the same
runic ether
chiron throws hands too much
runic ether
Look at him tho, id do the same
hes built like heracles yeah i get it
i would throw hands too if i was built like that
wait why is he grand archer then
ig a divine entity supporting you is too much of a buff
i still feel karna being a lancer and not an archer was weird
oh i'd also probably imagine arjuna would be grand archer instead him or karna
digital marlin
yes Santa claus
runic ether
type moon on their way to make 100 more sabers (its the heroic iconic class)
digital marlin
runic ether
at least karna qualifies
digital marlin
since we brought him up perfect opportunity to bring this up
runic ether
what qualifies him to be santa
slow raft
Honestly baller np, now this is whatbi call an archer
https://youtu.be/allWcjKg-mY?si=sxXZg6vnLcdCu5X-
slow raft
Was this the event where astolfo used the grail to make evryone santa of was that sometime else
runic ether
Honestly baller np, now this is whatbi call an archer
https://youtu.be/allWcjKg-...
bow and "arrow" but yeah works ig
digital marlin
i cant remember i only have memories of lotto grinding
slow raft
Behold, a saber
https://youtu.be/l9qZd9XF9I4?si=x64A6u7LBmr5QEpY
astral drift
what class is he
runic ether
ah fuck
astral drift
runic ether
cant believe this
astral drift
what about this guy
slow raft
Another archer
runic ether
no way hes an archer
do any archers actually use bows more than once
i started reading fate type redline manga since i saw its short (its not done lmfao) and archer there does not use a bow either
slow raft
Cant you see, this is totally an archers np
https://youtu.be/UW8dIUL0pZo?si=g2DTW_H76J6KN93g
slow raft
i started reading fate type redline manga since i saw its short (its not done lm...
Have you read enough to know the archers true name
runic ether
oda nobunaga yeah
slow raft
Ok then you should know that thats just a bit of nobbumor (short for nobbu humor)
runic ether
being an archer?
digital marlin
do any archers actually use bows more than once
do gun count?
digital marlin
your not making this easy
slow raft
Guns is like
runic ether
guns are just not bows
slow raft
The main archer thing