Interesting. The genius all do have interesting personalities but I'm kind of interested in why Ratio isn't like
#Gacha Chat
glossy latch
Nah, elements have little significance in terms of character personality
rigid pilot
I guess that's a step above even very intelligent people
rigid pilot
Ah
glossy latch
Nothing more, nothing less
rigid pilot
Ohh so the genius are kind of emanators themselves?
glossy latch
We don't know what criteria Nous uses however
rigid pilot
That part isn't clear to me yet
If an aeon gazes on you, does it set you on their path or let you become an emanator?
glossy latch
Not neccessarily, Herta is, but most geniuses are just people who have gotten the gaze of Nous but not emanator status
rigid pilot
Ahh
rigid pilot
An aeon gazing on you will let you pursue their path and draw their power
Particularly invested people become emanators
glossy latch
The order of operations isn't really set
rigid pilot
Hmm
glossy latch
Actually emanators are chosen
And each Aeon has their own method of choosing
Aha does it basically at random
rigid pilot
Specifically chosen to be their emanators okay that makes sense though
I guess it's Aeon to Aeon
glossy latch
He gave a giant sandworm his blessing just for the laughs
rigid pilot
Dune
glossy latch
As for Ratio, it's possible his philosophy is just at odds with Nous, hence not earning their gaze
rigid pilot
Which is interesting yeah
I guess the pursuit of knowledge doesn't necessarily mean the sharing of it too
glossy latch
Yeah
rigid pilot
And Ratio seems quite passionate about "curing idiocy"
glossy latch
The Genius pursue knowledge to an obsessive degree
Using any means at their disposal
Even Screwllum, who is rather well adjusted by comparison
Ratio cares more about sharing the knowledge that exists and helping people not be stupid
rigid pilot
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that in-game paths are also not the most indicative of their lore paths too?
Because why is he a Hunt character
glossy latch
Correct
In game paths are basically all gameplay choices that disregard lore
Nihility is especially bad about that
Only 2 Nihility characters can reasonably be considered to follow the path
rigid pilot
Kinda figured lol given that I cannot see Guinaifen based on her voicelines and such be... nihility
glossy latch
And one of them basically doesn't play like any other nihility unit
Kafka is the only true nihility unit basically
runic ether
being real, acheron not working like the other nihility units is honestly peak given her status
but yeah out of all the nihility characters we have in the cast
kafka is the one that reps her path the best
by far
runic ether
i think its erudition overall
glossy latch
Followed by the hunt I imagibe
runic ether
almost everyone in the path is at the very least, kind of smart/intelligent or focused on something akin to that
glossy latch
Preservation maybe, but I'm unsure on that
runic ether
hmm
glossy latch
Jade is the only erudition unit that's a mismatch
runic ether
preservation loses point with how... little aven cares about his own life
glossy latch
True, but he is a stoneheart still
runic ether
Jade is the only erudition unit that's a mismatch
i was thinking argenti
glossy latch
Fu Xuan is the one I can think of preservation wise that's wrong
runic ether
jade is a business genius
glossy latch
I forgor about Argenti tbh
runic ether
Fu Xuan is the one I can think of preservation wise that's wrong
fu xuan should have been erudition with her current kit the same tbh
could tweak the numbers but
it'd make the most lore sense given she was gazed upon by nous
didnt she get her 3rd eye from him too?
runic ether
right right
glossy latch
A way to emulate their prediction algorithms
Though not nearly as powerful of course
runic ether
she has taken a deeper stride into that path than most other characters in the path
like sure
qq is very smart
jade can be said to be a sort of genius too
argenti eh
but i think fx would be way more a candidate there than them
glossy latch
Destruction is probably the path that has the fewest certain followers
Tbh Erudition is more than being smart, and Qingque is not very driven to obtain knowledge lmao
She's just kind of a slacker
runic ether
a slacker but
she is a genius
her efforts are there to slack
but she absolutely qualifies for way more than her status
glossy latch
Also fair
Destruction wise its the MC and that's... about it?
Is any destruction unit actually a follower of Nanook?
runic ether
thats the one that idt we have anyone thats a follower of him
and
fugue is... nihility
despite literally having the destruction flowing within her
lol
runic ether
ah fair
wispy goblet
grinding for better Sim Room buffs
then I'm gonna do overload tomorrow
wispy goblet
got Harumasa for free
rapid bough
he's still available for free? TIL
thought that was only last patch
holy fuck the boss fight at the end of the expansion drills this reset is ridiculous
easily the hardest fight they've made yet in gfl2
rigid pilot
Kafka's voice is so good holy
wispy goblet
okay
I've unlocked errands
what other daily stuff does ZZZ have
summer hornet
Luofu is better than Septem and Agartha, in my opinion
Like it's rough but it's not bad
rigid pilot
So far nothing too bad
Also gotta say I expected to dislike one or two of the named characters so far but no not yet.
rigid pilot
Luocha is doing his best "I'm suspicious but not really guys" act
And Dan Heng is wearing it on his sleeve what he is lol
What is in that coffin motherfucker. Why did he look at it like that when talking about dead Aeons
I will say I'm not sure if they are trying to be subtle about Luocha or if it's the intent for them to have people think about how suspicious he seems
Also how you can't control him in combat
Xueyi is cute
Kafka had a cool exit. Blade is such a funny guy too he has to be more than a brooding edgelord
Surely
I'm leaving it for here tonight but I like Jing Yuan and Fu Xuan a lot here lol
He gives such grandpa vibes
And Fu Xuan is so eager
summer hornet
Yeah, everyone is great lol
long tree
dokkan releases ssj3 daima vegeta
Slot 1 unit meant to tanks for the rest of the team
Can't tank damage from the hard events or he dies
Masterful gambit akatsuki
summer hornet
Okay yeah, that event was really fun
Even if half the cast was unvoiced, the characters themselves had some great moments
slow raft
X
rapid bough
okay
I've unlocked errands
what other daily stuff does ZZZ have
other than just not capping your stamina? none
wispy goblet
So I gotta do my daily training to spend all my energy
and the overworld daily errands
anything else?
rapid bough
those are the only strictly daily items in the sense that if you don't do them on a particular day, you lose access to rewards from that day
running events usually unlock new parts to do daily, but they don't need to be done that day (just at some point during the event duration)
most content in ZZZ is through events and in stuff that resets every week/2 weeks
wispy goblet
gotcha
how many polys are a pull
and do I need to buy the 30 day pass at the start of the month for maximum value
rapid bough
no, it's 30 days from the point when you buy it
wispy goblet
how many polys/pulls do you get from it
rapid bough
it's 90 per day for 30 days, so 2700. pulls are 160 polys per, so that's just short of 17 pulls (2720)
you also get 300 monochrome, the paid currency which can be exchanged 1:1 for polys, so technically you get 3000 polys
but monochrome is best used for buying other stuff in the cash shop that gives better value than a 1:1 poly convert
wispy goblet
Got it
What's like an average pull count for a target
and what's like a worst-case scenario for ZZZ
rapid bough
hoyo gacha (ZZZ, HSR, genshin) all work the same way:
- 0.6% is the base gold character rate
- hard pity is at 90 pulls, i.e. at 90 pulls with no gold guarantees you one
- your first gold character on a rate-up banner has a 50% chance of being the rate-up character
- if you don't win that coin flip, your NEXT gold character is guaranteed to be the rate-up character
slow raft
Not to different from each other
rapid bough
the worst case would be hitting hard pity twice, so 180 pulls
but that is exceedingly rare because they also have soft pity starting at 75 pulls
every pull after 75 gives a ramping boost to the pull rate, to the point that it's pretty rare people get to even mid-80s (usually 79-80 is what i see)
i'd wager average pull count to get a character is probably around 90-100
if you're unlucky and lose lots of 50/50s, it'll be well above that
sorry guy
wispy goblet
got it
in the meanwhile
am I safe to pull from the standard stable banner with my tickets film reels
rapid bough
yeah, there's no reason to delay standard pulls
just don't spend polys, only use the basic film reels
slow raft
Usually you either get it in 75-85 pulls or 75-85 pulls after that so the average is rather scewed
There are some freaks who get stuff before soft pity but dont be fooled, that is the outlier not the rule
rapid bough
oh another thing about hoyo pity: it carries over between banners, from the pity pull counter to the 50/50 vs guarantee
pretty frequently you'll see people pull on a banner just to gamble, and if they lose the 50/50 then they'll just save the subsequent guarantee for a character they want afterward
(we call these people lunatics)
slow raft
I would do it because i love gambling, but id ont becauee gambling doesnt love me back
rapid bough
Usually you either get it in 75-85 pulls or 75-85 pulls after that so the averag...
but yeah, coming from nikke you will probably be driven mad by the low base gacha rate
going from 4% to 0.6% is rough
counting pity the rate is closer to like 1.6% or thereabouts, but pity means you've pulled minimum 75 times
basically: getting characters before hitting soft pity in hoyo gacha is lucky, don't be fooled by people calling it "pity" since it's really just the expected investment to pull a character lol
slow raft
<- once again reminded of the guy who got 3 boothill in 30 pulls
Ive played 3 hoyo gachas and two of them for a solid amount of time, and ive never gotten more than one gold per 10 pull
wispy goblet
how much do I need to pull for dupes
will I miss out on my waifu confession scene without dupes
rapid bough
lol no
slow raft
You do however
rapid bough
dupes can represent significant power increases
slow raft
Not get to set them naked as your banner
rapid bough
you also get some cosmetics at 3 and 6 dupes
(that's the naked banner guy is referring to)
but you don't need to pull for them, a character that is good will still be good at 0 dupes
i haven't pulled for any dupes since starting the game
slow raft
The most power increase thats worth gambling for is usually their personal w engine or 1-2 dupes but thats not really necessary
wispy goblet
...are they actually nude (or ecchi, at the least) in the... pause menu splash?
slow raft
i haven't pulled for any dupes since starting the game
I count w engines as duoes cause thats essentially what it is
rapid bough
...are they actually nude (or ecchi, at the least) in the... pause menu splash?
no, he's exaggerating lol
it doesn't show anything raunchy
at best it's slightly suggestive
slow raft
Ony Partiall undress mostly
rapid bough
here's examples of 2 progressions for harumasa and miyabi (bottom is no dupes, top is 3 dupes, middle is 6 dupes)
wispy goblet
I see
old galleon
at best it's slightly suggestive
i bet you're disappointed : ^)
wispy goblet
waifubait aside
who should I pick for the guaranteed reward on the stable banner
is there anyone really bad I shouldn't pick
slow raft
What he said
slow raft
Ive played the game since release and im just about close to getting it
rapid bough
you'll have a better idea of who you want 300 pulls from now when you have a more complete roster/have pulled some of the standard banner units passively over time
rapid bough
i bet you're disappointed : ^)
the game is plenty horny enough in other areas, i'll live
slow raft
you'll have a better idea of who you want 300 pulls from now when you have a mor...
Unless youre like me and get 3 copies of the same standard s rank and 2 w engines
rapid bough
i think i am actually like you lol
i think i've gotten neko 3 times and 2 brimstones
but all my lost 50/50s on rate-ups have given me some other standard units like lycaon and s11
wispy goblet
I'll do a full re-eval of how I feel about the game after pulling Zhu Yuan or failing miserably to determine how much time I want to invest into ZZZ
slow raft
Yeah 2 of these graces were from lost 50/50s
rapid bough
reminder that zhu yuan is still about 2 months away so
you can feel out the game plenty before then
wispy goblet
oh that's pretty far out
I thought you said she's like a month away
rapid bough
oh yeah i can't math sorry, 1 month is a closer estimate
i got thrown off by how long the current patch lasted but that is not typical
wispy goblet
So I can expect Zhu to be on banner for about a month once she re-drops?
rapid bough
i'm not sure if the full duration of the patch has been confirmed but typical ZZZ patches are about a month long, with 2 weeks for one of the patch's new characters(+rerun) and 2 weeks for the other
zhu yuan is a rerun in the second half of the patch, and the patch starts in about 1.5 weeks
so 1.5 weeks from now + ~2 weeks until she reruns = early april probably, and then she'll stay up for about 2 weeks
actually correction, standard patch duration is 6 weeks, so it's 3 weeks per banner, not 2 (assuming 1.6 is a standard patch duration)
wispy goblet
Gotcha
Might buy the 30 day pass
depends on what else I want to game over the next 30 days
rapid bough
if you're gonna buy anything in hoyo games (really gacha in general), the 30 day pass is it
it's by far the best value for pulls
i buy it in all the gacha i play except BD2 because there's no security like pull security (BD2 is so generous that i don't feel the need to buy it there)
old galleon
i buy it in all the gacha i play except BD2 because there's no security like pul...
even more than al?
rapid bough
yes
but even if that weren't true, i'd buy AL's monthly because it also gives 500 gems
BD2 is easily the most generous gacha i've played though
gives 1 free pull per day on all banners and distributes free pull vouchers and pull currency like candy
and the base 5* rate is 3%, so it gives tons of pulls at a higher rate than most gacha
old galleon
noted
that said, i have also heard bd2's equipment system is pretty bad
not sure how much that affects anything tho
rapid bough
it is definitely not great lol
crafting/upgrading/optimizing gear requires an obscene amount of different currencies and it boggles my mind how they even came up with something so needlessly complex
the general idea is the same as any gacha, "upgrade your gear, it gets RNG stats, you can reroll the stats until optimal"
but the start->finish process of doing that may make steam come out of your ears to get through until you get used to it
old galleon
yeah i saw a video talking about it
it looked really dumb, even compared to the rng fest that is relics
but the gacha being generous is a point in its favor
ofc i already play a bunch of games and probably can't justify adding another
rapid bough
it looked really dumb, even compared to the rng fest that is relics
the silver lining is that it's ultimately a secondary concern unless you really get into min-maxxing
the non-RNG parts of gear are more than enough to clear all relevant content
old galleon
is there pvp like there was in the original?
rapid bough
yes, but it's comfortably auto-able in like 1 min per day
old galleon
aight
rapid bough
it used to be absolute shit
i took a break from BD2 between the 0.5 and 1st anni and back then there was 40 attempts per day that had to all be auto'd one by one, it legitimately took like 10-15 mins lol
nowadays there are still 40 attempts per day, but you can batch them up to 10 at a time so you only need to do 4 fights instead of 40
side note, BD2's story is actually surprisingly decent too
that's not why anyone plays it ofc but it's serviceable enough for a gooner game to the core
slow raft
X
old galleon
that's not why anyone plays it ofc but it's serviceable enough for a gooner game...
better or worse than nikke?
old galleon
i'm 176/200 into pity and still no raffaello
i'm almost certainly gonna be taken to pity at this rate
rapid bough
better or worse than nikke?
worse, but nikke's story is a high bar to set imo
nikke's story/characters/world are all good enough that "came for the plot, stayed for the actual plot" is a common refrain
BD2 isn't nearly that good, you come for the fanservice and that's why you stay, but the story still stood out to me as clearly having some love put into it
BD2 is let down by how scatterbrained it is in terms of world/character-building... it does a bunch of multiverse shit with alternate versions of characters that makes it hard to really connect with anyone outside of the small main story cast
i should note that the main story doesn't get involved in the multiverse shit (to its benefit), but that means it's disconnected from the rest of the game which is basically all multiverse shit
old galleon
i'm no stranger to multiverse shit
another eden has parallel time layers for that sort of thing
although that game's plot has time travel at its core
its full name is "another eden: the cat beyond time and space" and it takes every word of the title quite literally : ^)
part 1 spoilers ||to the point that the mc is a cat||
but anyway what bd2 does sounds sorta like what sword of convallaria does
there's a main story and then there's side stuff that's sort of like a different continuity/branching paths/stuff like that
(except bd2 obv came first)
copper steppe
since i have almost almost everything for therta should i gamble for tribbie
digital marlin
No
old galleon
well unless vale decides to respond i guess
copper steppe
lol
summer hornet
I owe Dan Heng so many apologies; I keep doubting him but he keeps carrying for me
I’m tempted to do a ten-pull for Tribbie myself; I’m not planning on Castorice but I don’t want to be in the dirt if Phainon or one of the Fate characters wants her
old galleon
gambling primate
describes everyone in this chat
rapid bough
there's a main story and then there's side stuff that's sort of like a different...
yeah that sounds pretty accurate
slow raft
X
old galleon
did she ever beat the old well allegations
yeah raffaello took me to pity
first one to do that in forever
and now my once decent cube stock is decimated
glossy latch
Huh, I might be close to getting 100% crit rate on Phoebe
Just need like 2.9% more somewhere
glossy latch
Do need to build Spectro Rover now though >.>
astral drift
lolwut
old galleon
?
runic ether
why didnt aglaea just beat nikador herself in the main story? is she stupid?
slow raft
yea
torn shadow
digital marlin
why didnt aglaea just beat nikador herself in the main story? is she stupid?
She didn't roll for Sunday support
summer hornet
Council of elders put the bird siblings on the banlist
old galleon
finally got an ssr out of my freebies in gbf
....it's fire naoise as opposed to anything actually useful, but whatever
man i'm still salty raffaello took me to pity
i had gone at least a year+ without suffering ur pity
but i guess that just means it was my time
rapid bough
ONLY ONE TEN PULL BAYBEE WE ARE SO BACK
does that mean you got every single eva unit lol
wispy goblet
Yeah
Still have 13k or so gems left
I don't think I got any dupes but that was a pipe dream I wasn't going for anyway
rigid pilot
This deer boss is weak to Ice Fire and Quantum? Free food for my team lol
Oh yeah that was quick
Tingyun...?
old galleon
so you're on the luofu?
rigid pilot
Just beat the first act I believe
wispy goblet
after wrestling tonight
we do some more ZZZ
I don't think I quite enjoy the ZZZ combat yet
but also I'm not playing with intent and intelligence yet
rapid bough
ZZZ combat took a while to grow on me, it's very button mashy at the start before you have the roster size/age to actually craft teams properly and tackle semi-difficult content
beloved indeed
digital marlin
ZZZ combat is nice thought main gripe currently is that with the speed of the game and certain characters and enemies the screen can get to busy and I lose track of what's happening in the screen.
rapid bough
that's definitely true sometimes but i found turning off damage numbers helped a lot with that
runic ether
1st off. you're telling me shes not gonna be playable
2nd, castorice has insane pull on older women
torn shadow
I have an idea about her and her state as playable or not but it's spoilers
slow raft
Rolled more than 1 on crit value, i thought it couldnt be done 
runic ether
hsr 3.1 ||really had a whole ass mydei and phainon gay sex moment nearly uncensored wow||
timber sigil
idle grove
X
glossy latch
T-2 hours for Wriothesley C1 👀
runic ether
u didnt get xilonen right?
cus there is an argument for r1 especially now over c1 if you have her
slow raft
X
runic ether
can be worth waiting to see if xilonen reruns
wrio/bennett/xiangling or mauvika/xilonen is a really good team
though ig c1r1 is like
ready for any other support added to the account in the future
glossy latch
Ye
I just want C1 for the comfort and R1 for being able to switch to a better relic setup
At that point Wrio should be good to go tbh
runic ether
it does help that the next few banner cycles are mostly skips even if xianyun is coming but it does give time to save for any of his other meta supports
or it should
capitano assets keep getting updated so maybe im fucked if they release him into skirk or skirk into captaino
cus i do want xianyun for team diversity
runic ether
shes probably cryo
given the new set next patch
it is a cryo set
but it is a big probably
slow raft
X
runic ether
cus she may release at the very end of the 5.x patches and her actual artifact set is in nod krai
meaning the set is for capitano and skirk is somethin else
glossy latch
Yeah Cryo would be ... not ideal tbh
runic ether
the thing is that they could be
if they were off fielders
if they were like a cryo xingqiu
then they wouldnt be doing anything the current cryo are doing
but i imagine the tsartisa will fill that role
runic ether
hes bigger than wrio i believe but yea
he isnt huge
like ppl expected
as long as he keeps the mask on
im good
slow raft
The mask stays ON during sex
dull bridge
I doubt Skirk is an off-fielder
skirk i remember her
is she comming soon?
i wanted her when i saw her
maybe i play benshin again
havent touched the game in quite a bit tho
glossy latch
Ok time to roll for Wrio
Dammit, lost the 50/50 to Dehya again 😔
... random Jean from the standard banner
Alright then
Guess Ill have to see if I can get enough rolls for the weapon
glossy latch
... Is it still a 50/50 on the first roll @runic ether ?
long tree
... Is it still a 50/50 on the first roll <@480437470870110209> ?
Any 5 star is a 50/50 no matter when you get it
glossy latch
Even for weapons?
long tree
For weapons it's more like 50/50 and then another 50/50 if you win to see which one you get
If we're talking genshin where weapons share banners I mean
runic ether
... Is it still a 50/50 on the first roll <@480437470870110209> ?
for weapons yes but pity starts earlier and the fate point means you can only ever lose once
glossy latch
Also man its frustrating how long it takes Genshin to update the roll history
I wanna make sure I know how close to pity I am
glossy latch
Aye
Eh, fuck it, Ill try rolling for the weapon, but first Ill deal with my exam
... and maybe Daybreak 2
slow raft
is the hsr server down for anyone else?
glossy latch
I can get to soft pity in 20 rolls then, hmmm
That's doable, but then I have to get lucky or roll till soft pity again
Unfortunately the weapon is a really big damage boost 😔
runic ether
weapon would be a better boost if you had xilonen at least over c1
without xilonen, c1 is better generally
runic ether
is the hsr server down for anyone else?
just checked and nope
runic ether
oh wait i believe weap banner is 75/25
ig its technically worse cus u can win furina's sword (not even her bis in a lot of teams 
)
glossy latch
Also I still need to gear up Navia properly
She has a mere 60/180 rn
Insanely good flower and feather though
But awful circlet + goblet
slow raft
actually jumpscared by a 5 star in only 40 pulls in hsr
slow raft
idt i actually want tribbie tho so ill stop pulling for now
2nd copy of bailu is basically useless, right?
glossy latch
More or less
versed pawn
waiting for the xilonen rerun
mental acorn
hell yeah
runic ether
2nd copy of bailu is basically useless, right?
e4 and e6 are her most impactful cons
and honestly
this is only if your aim is castorice
also if it sways you, tribbie is p much the bis support for blade atm
but she is def optional
but if you are aiming for blade/mydei/castorice, she becomes a lot better
same with if you have the herta but no robin
or argenti
the premium support privilege for specific characters
at the very least she is quite good on her own
slow raft
I do have the herta but no robin or argenti 
runic ether
darn yeah cus
no robin makes tribbie exponentially better
especially if you are using hyperspeed serval as a battery
because then tribbie's own good damage starts scaling extremely fast
serval/tribbie is just outright the best battery for the herta even if you had jade/lingha/robin
the only way jade/lingsha/robin pulls ahead is because lingsha and jade have really good damage on their own
and they dont pull ahead that much without investment into each
glossy latch
Ok ngl I still dont like imaginarium theatre
glossy latch
Did Spiral Abyss get more difficult again?
versed pawn
Nah this one was fine
Tho first half has like a ton of mob spam so u kinda want then aoes
glossy latch
Guess I need to fix some things up then
rapid bough
only 3 more days til helm's favorite item is done, bless
rapid bough
80 pulls no rafaello, she's the only banner ship i have yet to pull. praying i don't get as unlucky as argor/yuri and get taken to pity
i am at least happy she's the last ship i have to pull, hate it when i'm chasing a purple/gold which have no pity guarantee
old galleon
after 3,000 years we finally have basara playable in gbf (just in event story so far but he'll probably be pullable at some point)
slow raft
||https://x.com/RAJQkyI13zrhlmG/status/1896811401806848221|| limbus canto 7 spoilers
old galleon
Blessed
mental acorn
heh
astral drift
double maintenance :Aware
rapid bough
finally found the time to go through nikke's new community hub/app
first of all, can i just say that i hate how nikke seems to design shit exclusively for mobile use so the resolutions of everything are all fucky wucky on a desktop
this is true in-game too, with all the burst screen animations, static arts, etc having phone resolutions
aside from that though this has a few neat tools i can see myself using from time to time
CD key redemption tool for if you don't wanna do it through discord and don't wanna open the game since it takes 500 years to do so
access to dialog replay from everything normally in the archives, like campaign and event story... i've occasionally wanted to go back and check on dialog and having to open the game to do that was annoying, so having an online hub is quite nice
has all the standard login/checkin perks that these apps have that you can redeem for small amounts of core dust and gems every now and again
the "onboarding" process also gives 5 free standard recruit tickets so that's stonks
wispy goblet
got my guaranteed S from the starter bonuses
long tree
Oh he's pretty
honest pawn
oh, he's pretty
slow raft
put the clockhead back on 
long tree
he is a fucking arts servant
idle grove
he is a fucking arts servant
slow raft
X
old galleon
https://x.com/appmediafgo/status/1897234936895324569?s=46
if his np doesn't send 3 cards from the top of your deck to the graveyard, he's not dante, he's a fraud
jokes aside i'm a little surprised it took this long for them to add dante
rapid bough
got my guaranteed S from the starter bonuses
nice, lycaon is one of the better standard S agents
rigid pilot
Phantylia's voice
Also I'm not shocked by that twist I'm more shocked that a sidequest NPC was named in the main quest lol
rigid pilot
Dan Heng looks so gay with that boob window and his small horns
Oh Kafka has some mind control powers huh
glossy latch
Oh yeah since Sim U changed so much you might not even face her in that gamemode
(Her boss in Sim U has a gimmick where she can basically "charm" characters and have them attack each other)
rigid pilot
I did see that. I've been playing the Simulated Universe a lot. And I fought her earlier but I thought it was some sort of gimmick but it's come up now in the story with the yellow text when everyone is forced to listen to her which is interesting.
glossy latch
Ah, fair fair
rigid pilot
Ooh Yanqing is in trouble. Jing Yuan brought out the dad tone
glossy latch
Tbh Kafkas lore version vs her boss version vs her playable version is ... odd
She's probably the character that went through the most changes in terms of lore-wise fighting style
summer hornet
I did see that. I've been playing the Simulated Universe a lot. And I fought her...
She used it in the very beginning of the game btw
rigid pilot
Really changed his last name by one letter
rigid pilot
She used it in the very beginning of the game btw
huh thinking back on it, she did
glossy latch
Ok actually looking at old Kafka footage Im realising its even weirder than I thought
She used to not have any string-related parts in her kit
All of that was added later
Yet her boss is all about those strings
Meanwhile her guns basically only exist in her ultimate now
rigid pilot
How good is Xueyi?
glossy latch
Unfortunately, not really good at all
rigid pilot
She's kinda cute and some of her voicelines sound like my wife wtf
glossy latch
Ive tried building her >.<
rigid pilot
How hard is it to make her work at least
glossy latch
Your best bet for a reasonably viable one is a superbreak team
Which means you need Ruan Mei
runic ether
like i guess you have hmc
glossy latch
And you also need HMC
runic ether
yea plus not like u can just get fugue when u want rn
glossy latch
Yeah
rigid pilot
Alright hm
glossy latch
And unfortunately no path leads past Ruan Mei
Also while that is her best team, its a pretty poor use of that shell
runic ether
tribbie can kinda work
kinda
she has that res pen
but xueyi is gonna be a bit hard pressed to spam ult
and she doesnt get as much fua as himeko or herta to gas up tribbie
rigid pilot
Damn
glossy latch
I wish she was good, shes cool visually
But sadly she is a break character that aged particularly poorly
rigid pilot
I just got her from the Stellar Warp alongside the Bronya Lightcone and saw she also has a copy for free for doing Apocalyptic Shadow so I was like huh maybe she's okay?
runic ether
anything xueyi does hunt march does better by like 1000x
glossy latch
Oh and without Fugue shes only quantum enemy viable
runic ether
and you get e6 hunt march free
glossy latch
Also she probably needs her E6 more than most 4* you can make somewhat ok
~~Maybe theyll buff her though 
~~
rigid pilot
Also I have really liked both puppet characters so far huh
runic ether
simply pull ruan mei + fugue on their reruns and hope xueyi is on their banner(s) for an easy e6
all so you can do what hunt march does but a bit worse
also wtf ur at apoc shadow unlock?
when does that happen
rigid pilot
Ummm
Equilibrium Three
(Just got it)
I'm basically doing nothing at work right now so may as well play
runic ether
rigid pilot
Also when I use support characters so many people have like the same four characters lmao
Oh and what's the verdict on the fuel recharge things to regenerate energy (I'm gonna call them Apples)
How often do you get them? Is it worth going through them or if I do I'll never see them again
glossy latch
You get them from the battlepass
runic ether
and you get them from the bp
glossy latch
Sometimes from events
runic ether
and usually events
glossy latch
Or new Sim U stuff
runic ether
i'd save them up though
glossy latch
Id mostly save them for gearing a new character
runic ether
do what i do, save to like 30-40
and then blow through 10-20 rolling (shit) artifacts until you find a single diamond in the rough
rigid pilot
Artifacts?
rigid pilot
Ah
runic ether
dont walk into optimizing too much
find 60:120 (varies) and be happy
thats crit ratio btw
and dont forget a speed tune for those that need it
which honestly isnt too many characters nowdays
like tribbie actively doesnt want speed
characters who want speed nowdays rarely want crit/cdmg beyond reasonable amounts (a speed boots for instance)
like when you build up harmony trailblazer and hunt march, you'll want them on as much speed as you can, a lot of break effect, and a lot of atk
any crit subs for them are just a bonus
and then herta and himeko for the purposes of your account, wont want more than maybe like
1-2 speed substats
and maybe a speed boots
if you will get castorice, she also wants no speed
rigid pilot
After looking more at Castorice I'm not getting her I'm getting her dragon
She's not ugly but she's not why I'm here
rigid pilot
Soppy cat 😭
runic ether
you're not an old enough woman to see her charm
aka play through amphoreus and you'll understand
rigid pilot
PHANTYLIA IS A MOMMY!?
summer hornet
Are you already to the boss fight?!
rigid pilot
Are you already to the boss fight?!
Misty was right that Herta Himeko will clear all content and it is proving true so far
summer hornet
Gundamn
astral drift
X
runic ether
Misty was right that Herta Himeko will clear all content and it is proving true ...
also between our friends and your wife that play hsr, you have never had to grind properly cus u can just borrow one of our characters, and clear the calyx and get all the mats needed for free
rigid pilot
True lol
rigid pilot
Yet another Firefly on my friend list. I'll add you when I'm not busy lol.
copper steppe
hell yeah
rapid bough
summer hornet
old galleon
It's been 3000 years...
rapid bough
solo raid time
oh thanks for reminding me
runic ether
she's 1st half
reading some of her comments
ooh no baby dont be weird
also her voice wasnt the one at the end of the trailer but i figured given sam slade said she recorded it so its probably one of the anby clone voices
rapid bough
oh shit she's FIRST?
runic ether
yep
rapid bough
figured hugo would be
i was coping that maybe i'd luck sack into trigger and still have enough time to save for vivian
but definitely not in this case
runic ether
rapid bough
guess i'll settle for anby
runic ether
pulchra is there for sanby ig
but yea this game has designs that are a danger to my bank account
i have like 200 pulls min for vivian
if she is like really cringe, and her gameplay style isnt as fun as it seem (we'll see tomorrow), then i will go hugo and sanby
runic ether
yeah thats my slight concern there i hope its nothing cringe
summer hornet
It's been 3000 years...
You can’t just post a quiet sneaky sly comment like that wtf
Congratulations on getting ALL TEN ETERNALS!!!
summer hornet
Like they’ve made the processs a little easier over the years
Still takes a lot of work tho
summer hornet
Ahahahahaaaaaa
And then you get to break your back lifting them up to level 100+
For my part, I spent the last 4 hours getting overly emotionally invested in the struggles of a bunch of small-town manual laborers working a dead-end job
Arknights still got it
timber sigil
idle grove
glossy latch
Huh, Zani looks to be a heavy attack DPS as well
Kinda funny that she teams up with Phoebe by stealing her gimmick
versed pawn
yeah phoebe is dual mode anyway
heavy attack turns her into dps and hold resonance skill turns her into a spectro frazzle support
glossy latch
Oh I know, it's just funny that Zani has the exact same role as DPS Phoebe it seems
Unfortunately that makes her a tough sell since my Phoebe is kinda cracked
I'll still get her but damn
versed pawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb2zZTYVx04 well thats diffrent
slow raft
They made my operators WOKE?
old galleon
today is the day i finally do helm
||'s favorite item||
or i would if the game wouldn't randomly freeze as i'm doing the missions
it's gonna have to wait until later then
long tree
Monkeys are so close to a good team
(the great ape power category only extends to characters who can turn into a great ape or ssj4)
summer hornet
8 down
old galleon
she ended up being my last regular eternal (and my first seasonal one)
fire tweyen is based but no one likes her bc she's not named percival, zeta, or fenie : ^)
summer hornet
Thus sayeth the Percival simp to the Zeta simp
rigid pilot
Am I missing something or was Pela retconned? Just finished Lynx's Quest and she said Pela is sixteen buuuut Pela had said to be in a band with Serval for a while? And an intelligence officer for the Silvermane Guards? Am I missing something? Did they mean her mom was in the band or in the guards?
summer hornet
It drove many people insane when it was first revealed
Myself included
Yanqing and Yunli run into similar issues, but Pela (and Belobog as a whole, by proxy) is the worst
rigid pilot
Belobog has a lot of retcons? I haven't noticed any yet besides Pela. Guess I'll keep finishing up my quest log
honest pawn
X
summer hornet
Belobog has a lot of retcons? I haven't noticed any yet besides Pela. Guess I'll...
Nonono I'm saying Pela is the worst retcon/plot hole in HSR imo
Ergo sum, Belobog has the worst plot hole in HSR
I still enjoy it, I just reject the Word of God a little more than before
digital marlin
she didnt do much in the mainstory though she did pop here and there in side storys and events
that aside as character she is good cheap nihility character
also
long tree
She's also the world's oldest 16 year old
digital marlin
just to note we are talking about Honkai Star Rail
summer hornet
She's vice commander of the Belobog military or something like that
runic ether
shes just an intelligence officer
summer hornet
Gepard used to do the paperwork, she was so disgusted by the result that she does all the paperwork herself now
Ah
runic ether
never had a major role. she showed up to assist bronya when they wanted to arrest the gang and thats basically it in the main story
runic ether
she had a large part in a few sidequests iirc and the museum event and lynx event
dull bridge
who the fuck is Pela
my best friend
glossy latch
she had a large part in a few sidequests iirc and the museum event and lynx even...
Yeah pretty much
runic ether
also yea her being 16 never made sense unless they had planned to have had her mom fill in a good number of those roles. not even a hard rewrite
glossy latch
Whats odd is
runic ether
intelligence officer -> rookie int officer
glossy latch
We know Belobog was rewritten
But Pela wasnt one of the things that were as far as we know
runic ether
plays in serval's band -> her mom played in serval's band
glossy latch
She's actually one of the first characters to be finalised
runic ether
hitting submit on v1 instead of v3 document aware
also yea belobog's rewrites tho at least are not super noticable which is why pela stands out a lot
glossy latch
The biggest rewrites in Belobog happened to Clara and Cocolia
And by extension Bronya
runic ether
ye but they all still work for their role and involvement
glossy latch
Which you'd only be barely able to tell with Clara
glossy latch
She's the only one where theres a clear "wait are they not addressing that" thing going on
glossy latch
Surprisingly no they do address that part
Its that bandage poking out under her neck
Its a leftover from when she had a terminal disease pre-rewrite
But she ... doesnt anymore
rigid pilot
I never noticed
glossy latch
Granted her being barefoot also originally was because of her being terminally ill
She had radiation sickness from that weird heating material in Belobog
So she was constantly overheating, and snow would melt before she could step on it
summer hornet
That's... Intense
rigid pilot
I can see why they changed that
rigid pilot
I think it's fine not to be so depressing to start a game off it's quite literally our first impression and a lot of dialogue would have been out of place
glossy latch
Oh I agree
rigid pilot
Besides the space station prologue but I don't really count it
I enjoyed the Belobog story overall
Honestly I liked the Xianzhou story so far too it wasn't that bad all things considered
I sat my ass through Septem and Agartha in FGO this was significantly better
long tree
The xianzhou had a fatigue issue mainly because it was in a lot of events and continues to show up story wise
It's HSRs liyue
rigid pilot
My big points against it are that they really didn't let Phantylia time to establish herself and the Anti-Matter legion as a threat
runic ether
It's HSRs liyue
liyue has the sauce though
long tree
Liyue is definitely more interesting yeah
runic ether
My big points against it are that they really didn't let Phantylia time to estab...
they also just overcomplicate things to the point where u are just not sure what is what a lot of times imo
they introduced new concepts to tell us how the luofu and the xianzhou alliance are and came to be but they didnt show it well
long tree
"sir we didn't add 5 new phrases to the glossary this dialogue"
"Fire the writing team"
runic ether
fair few sidequests involve it like bailu's quest iirc
had a lady fall into the mara
that was good
it'd have been nice if we had seen more of that
without it being explicitly told much
also, there was a lot of hype at the time about the high cloud quintet
the group of legendary heroes that the luofu had
which was jing yuan, dan feng, yingxin (blade), jingliu, and baiheng
and we saw
basically none of them in the main story?
at least nothing major
digital marlin
yeah they only really popped near the end to not ereally do much
runic ether
jing yuan did of course help us buuut
yea
just felt like we got baited by their involvement or their theoretical involvement
and at the time, jingliu was like
the peak of power
so it felt like we were robbed
rigid pilot
I see
So mostly external factors and expectations not met
Also I definitely understand it being too wordy on things with them giving us new terms all the time
glossy latch
That too but tbh I just didnt think the story was very good
It felt ... substanceless?
digital marlin
it felt like something that came to soon and needed more build up
runic ether
its fine if the story itself isnt super compelling if the characters and writing is good
mid story can be carried by good writing
which honestly, the part 2 of the luofu story is way better despite the story being kind of a nothingburger cus the character writing is a lot more solid
glossy latch
That too mightve been my issue, I didnt like much of the character writing beyond Jing Yuan
And ironically the alchemy NPC
rigid pilot
I kind of didn't like how little was going on with Dan Heng overall too. He played a big part at the end and had his own companions but they didn't really do too much with them.
summer hornet
I sat my ass through Septem and Agartha in FGO this was significantly better
👏 👏 👏
digital marlin
And ironically the alchemy NPC
what about scott
summer hornet
I think Ovven means Dan Shu lol
glossy latch
Ye
rigid pilot
I don't think it'd have cost them a lot to have Sushang and Luocha accompany him to fight Blade. Actually, get Yanqing with them too.
I think that'd have been a very cool boss fight.
summer hornet
I agree immensely, Dan Heng got kinda squandered
rigid pilot
Neither Sushang nor Luocha feel involved despite them being there with Dan Heng the whole time
And Luocha is sussy as fuck too like that was not really anything
I even specifically did his quest immediately to see
But nope
long tree
I like how no one investigates the coffin
Like bro you're bringing an unchecked container onto a space station that has quintillions of dollars in cargo and thousands of lives
Dude is the master of not getting TSA checked
summer hornet
Even after DHIL/Bailu/Jingliu's interludes they never open the coffin lol
rigid pilot
Sushang not giving it much thought I can believe. They emphasized she is kind of dumb.
glossy latch
Even after DHIL/Bailu/Jingliu's interludes they never open the coffin lol
||They do explain what's in it later||
rigid pilot
Xueyi not bothering...? Maybe that could have been a scene where she asks and he deflects and she says "okay you know what, let me check."
Or having Luocha convince her not to
Dan Heng wouldn't care at the time
Especially with the question (at the time) looming on how the Stellaron was brought inside they debunked it with his Quest
It was a funny one sure
But it was soooo inconclusive and dodgy
He is absolutely sus maybe not for the Stellaron but he is involved in something for sure.
But it never goes anywhere
It isn't the worst though I guess. From what I gather, he is a fanservice character since Welt recognized him and all and Welt is not from this game/universe from what I understand so like sure I guess but it does kind of suck there wasn't more there
Which I guess is ultimately what I felt about the Luofu story so far. It's okay but I need more.
Also, Yukong's quest was honestly pretty good. So it isn't like they stopped knowing how to do a good story.
glossy latch
Sort of
On the fanservice part
Star Rail has a bunch of characters that are counterparts to Honkai Impact characters (minus Welt, who is just the same Welt straight up)
Luocha is the counterpart to Otto Apocalypse, a character with a ... complicated history
Antagonist whose goal was to revive a childhood friend and who grew obsessed and willing to do anything in the process
Hence Luocha and the coffin leading to theories
Most of the counterparts dont really have any major connection though
Bronya and Silver Wolf are also counterparts (... of Bronya), and thats never brought up
As are Seele, Himeko, Acheron and ... I think thats it?
Oh and Cocolia ofc
rigid pilot
Oh huh
glossy latch
... and apparently Sushang and Natasha
rigid pilot
I guess it is their IP
glossy latch
Those I didnt even know about lmao
runic ether
also calling them a referene is not quite right sometimes
they are different characters with the same face... but their og actually often still exists
as we know bc of sparkle interacting with vita in hi3rd
the star rail universe is canon to the hi3rd one and vice versa
glossy latch
Yeah, I call them counterparts
Basically duplicates in another universe
But thats getting into HI3 cosmology and that is a headache
runic ether
sometimes
glossy latch
Like even in HI3 itself there are ... 6 Bronya variants running around I think?
summer hornet
Also, Yukong's quest was honestly pretty good. So it isn't like they stopped kno...
I'm gonna recommend the Serval story quest, if you haven't done it already
Or technically I think it's two quests, back-to-back
It's another good one
rigid pilot
I'm gonna recommend the Serval story quest, if you haven't done it already
Already did. Pretty sure it was required to get Lynx and Pela's quest
wispy goblet
holy this interruption/fail segment is miserable
this team I've brought cannot get this
you really need an SMG or AR for easy mode
I guess a sniper with a big clip is fine too
whew
just barely beat IV with one team
this team is not doing as well as I hoped
need more shielding and healing
maid anchor is so good for this boss, btw
rapid bough
SO close, one more lucky crit somewhere and i woulda had it, damn
(note: 3k means nothing in particular, just would've been neat to break the threshold)
summer hornet
I'm so glad Kojirou is getting some love again
I can't tell if they gave him a few new expressions or it's just been too long since I saw them
glossy latch
Ok finally, perfect 100% crit rate Phoebe
versed pawn
My Gonner chats are not gooning 
Also nice still miss like 7% crit to hit 100% with the spectro set
rapid bough
My Gonner chats are not gooning <:pepehans:753726126337032213>
don't worry i gotchu
helm bros, it should be illegal to win as much as we've been winning
wispy goblet
okay
time to purchase the 30 day pass
hopefully I keep up with my daily logins
rapid bough
time for the last round of co-op
love the quick triple co-op that has an easy way to fail early
let me build up a ton of co-op currency again, was running low
summer hornet
X
rapid bough
the youtube comment pointing out that ||anby likely purposely failed her "test" here by being reckless so that she wouldn't doom the other replicas by proving she was the "perfect" one|| was something i missed but definitely makes a lot of sense in context
hoyo definitely cooking up something sinister with this replica shit
runic ether
also i wonder who they are replicating. probs one of the voidhunters is my guess
rapid bough
yeah gotta assume that's gonna be some big reveal in its own right
runic ether
not miyabi. far too old a project for that. maybe the swordmaster the raiden lookalike
actually lol
the obvious answer is sunbringer
especially with anby being the game's cover
that'd loop around heavily to honkai impact 3rd
kiana being the game's cover for that game being a clone/replica of another existing character
anby being a clone of zzz's kiana lookalike
rapid bough
the way hoyo does these connections between their games makes my brain hurt lol
runic ether
sunbringer taking out a sky hollow is in itself a reference to kiana which makes sense as a look alike
also both kiana/sunbringer and anby having silver hair and at least one yellow/amber eye
now all we need is anby hitting someone with a baseball bat at some point to sell the connection
slow raft
X
long tree
Not even close
timber sigil
honest pawn
when kromer was trying to aurafarm in front of sinclair after killing his family he should've started making out with her
honest pawn
I hope Kromer comes back, she's definitely become a favorite
long tree
Fellas vote on this for me: an ssj3 Goku who's mid and is showing it's age but rad as hell or a glorio who's good and will continue to be good for a while
long tree
Gorillo nation it is ig
honest pawn
OFFICIAL
...you know
I've come to the realization that the reason I like Ryoshu so much is because she's basically a genderbent Shadow the Hedgehog gijinka
patent swift
patent swift
She's very pretty heuwgwygwgwcegwggwgwgq
honest pawn
Ryoshu is so gender that as a homosexual man I cannot help but admire her beauty
patent swift
honest pawn
also what I said about her putting out cigarettes on people only applies to strangers, she's actually subtly a gremlin that makes puns and is hinted to be a mother
rapid bough
For the helm connoisseur in your life
all this helm content is going to make this upcoming popularity poll difficult for me in the actual popularity sense
i'll still vote rapi for meta reasons but it's actually a close race with helm who's my #2
scarlet's my #3 now i guess
old galleon
i'll still vote rapi for meta reasons but it's actually a close race with helm w...
tbf they're both meta
rapi gets my vote bc
- i actually do like her more (i also like cindy more so helm is 3 at best)
- helm has multiple solid skins while rapi still needs hers
slow raft
X
honest pawn
scuttler
old galleon
just ran my daily solo raid runs and i don't see myself doing too well in challenge mode this time
my cindy team is doing the most damage to it and its only wind nikke is blanc
rapi team has asuka in it but asuka keeps dying for reasons i'm not entirely sure of
and when i tried with asuka+rei instead the damage was pretty bad
tho all of these are w/o helm
now that i have her phase 3 i can at least try to slot her in
wispy goblet
yeah for some reason Neo Asuka and Neo Rei would die super fast
You really need extra shielding for them to survive the early parts
old galleon
ye i think i'm gonna have to run them with the bunnies instead of cindy+bunnies
cindy should be fine with just rouge but then i need to find some wind nikke to slot with her
oh also sbs team in particular is doing horribly here, again for reasons i don't understand
rapid bough
1. i actually do like her more (i also like cindy more so helm is 3 at best)
2. ...
(2) is the meta reason i'm referring to
i know they're both very strong now
though rrh still better
i also like rapi more btw, her being basically the MC/face of the game and having a recent story event gives her an advantage in that respect
though it puts her at a disadvantage relative to helm (or any side character nikke) since her part in the main story means the whole romance/harem aspect is basically teased but never advanced
easier to play into the harem when it doesn't have impact to the main story, so all the side characters get an advantage
i have always really liked helm though, even before shift-up started showing their blatant favoritism lol
summer hornet
For some reason I thought Glorio was Granola for half a second
long tree
His names gorillo
summer hornet
I can't tell if you're joking
rigid pilot
Yas bitch. We LOVE lying and gaslighting people. This quest chain was really fun lol.
long tree
I can't tell if you're joking
(running joke in daima is Goku can't say glorios name)
summer hornet
Ohhhh lol
runic ether
i missed 9 stars by like 3k points this is super doable
summer hornet
I'm pretty sure the only person here who knows GBF anymore is Argor, but
Any ideas which weapon in the grid should be replaced with Grand Michael's weapon?
old galleon
what are you planning to use the grid for?
@summer hornetif you've done siero academy to completion you should have plenty of decent gear pieces at least
summer hornet
I haven't lol