so that's not a problem
#Gacha Chat
old galleon
rapid bough
now that i have avp fs5 and vanguard rounding out my UR BB fleet, i'm mostly happy with my fleets for now. the next improvements are obvious but are a ways out (haku, nano for CV fleet mainly, then just general gear)
really feeling like my vanguards are the weak link right now
old galleon
yeah, but again, a lot of those improvements are research ships
rapid bough
aye
old galleon
agir and plymouth in the bb fleet, brest in the mob fleet (or any of the others really)
rapid bough
mogador prolly gonna be my next MLB, she'll go into alsace's fleet
old galleon
kearsarge in cv fleet is another option, hindenburg wherever
so that's like 5 rainbow research ships
rapid bough
part of the reason i put table on alsace is so she can apply her debuff first
but mog will make that permanent so i don't need to worry about that as much
rapid bough
oh yeah i won't even have another UR bulin before we know what the new event's UR will be
but whatever it is, i only need 3 bulins to MLB mog and i'd need 4 for whoever the new UR is
and i can get those 3 bulins this next month with one from the event path + 2 from cores
but yeah will depend on what the new UR is. if it's another BB (i.e. yamato) i doubt i'm gonna prioritize it over mog, since i have 3 UR BB now and need to focus on my vanguard options now
old galleon
fair
i think this year is the most likely year so far that she'll be yamato
but i still don't think it's super likely
rapid bough
i hope it's not mostly because... do we really need another UR BB already lol
old galleon
we really don't
but ur bb's are eternal
yamato's gotta release eventually
then the other iowas
rapid bough
yeah but surely make that a year that hasn't been almost entirely UR BBs
uvh rerun, alsace, vanguard rerun
musashi later this year
old galleon
and soyuz
rapid bough
right her too
old galleon
well, it's not as bad as before
after shinano it was nj, then shimakaze, but then uvh, vanguard, musashi all in a row
oh wait kronshtadt was between uvh and vanguard
but still
there are periods of time where we get saturated with gacha rainbow bb's
and frankly, they suck
not bc the ships themselves suck, bc they don't
but bc there's no variety
you know we have no gacha rainbow cl's yet?
sandy retros into one but she don't count
rapid bough
surely this means we're due for one :^)
rapid bough
wish i hadn't missed mommy unzen š
old galleon
yeah unzen's fun
it'll be a pretty good while but she'll eventually rerun
oh right i'm reminded but daedalian hymn was made perma
so you can get spooked by aquila now and get one half of the musashi/aquila mob comp
rapid bough
that seems like a very weird combination, why are they good together
old galleon
it's more of a high end mobbing thing, mainly
musashi ends up tanking a bunch of the damage meant for the backline, and aquila can heal backline
you run the two and uni and make life a lot easier in 14/15
If this ship has a Fighter equipped in her second gear slot, whenever this ship launches an airstrike:
Heal the ship in the vanguard and the ship in main fleet who have the lowest percentage of remaining HP. Both ships are healed by 3.5% (8%) of their maximum HP.
Give each of those two ships an HP barrier. The barrier can block up to 1.5% (6%) of those ships' maximum HP and lasts for up to 5s.
and
[Non-Exercise Only] While this ship is above 40% HP: grants the "Musashi's Guardianship" status to all your other Main Fleet ships. Ships with this status:No longer take Ramming DMG;
Force Musashi to become Detected as well if they become Detected;
Cause Musashi to be prioritized by enemy attacks if they are both valid targets.
have great synergy
that skill of musashi's also has this
When the battle starts, if this ship is NOT your Flagship OR your Airspace Control status is not Air Incapability or Air Denial: reduces this ship's DMG taken by 10% (30%) in that battle.
for the icing on top
and the condition is trivial to meet, obviously
and since aquila's heal is 8% of the target's hp, it uses musashi's freakishly high hp stat as its base
instead of her own
old galleon
ye
even ae bosses of late have been like fuck stoppers, we're doing multiple hp bars now
slow raft
most story bosses in limbus have them
just this event boss in particular doesnt
(also mirror dungeons arent a good gauge for real gameplay but i digress)
i even thought to myself "oh this fight is going to suck, he has snaity so my damage is gonna be so low"
sinking deluge to the rescue ig
wispy goblet
watching some ZZZ gameplay
ngl
might be cooking?
might try it?
rapid bough
it's a good game brent
engaging and satisfying gameplay, fun characters and world so far with a whole lot to build on to make things even more interesting, plus honestly top notch tasteful fanservice (for a hoyo game anyway) if you're into that
didn't think it'd be down my alley initially but i have been pleasantly surprised at every turn
really my only knock on it is that the story/characters get off to kind of a slow start, there wasn't a particularly strong hook that got me super into it
rapid bough
but what do you think on it
glossy latch
Its ... fine?
glossy latch
Its really good with style, thats the big upside it has, and the characters are enjoyable enough, but combat is basically its only gameplay loop, and it just doesnt feel deep or satisfying enough to work as the only gameplay loop?
Maybe this gets better with other teams, but rn its basically just "stun the enemy, dump damage into stunned enemy, repeat"
Its really good with its SFX though
runic ether
anomaly gameplay is all about stacking debuffs often
glossy latch
Parries and big hits have impact
runic ether
i think it'll get better as more characters releasw
idt enough characters truly abuse or care about the dodge mechanic and i think theres potential niche for new gameplay
glossy latch
Maybe, but when I played WuWa, even with just the basic characters you get early, it feels like there was more to it, the characters were more significantly varied
runic ether
no one is an off-fielder for instance
glossy latch
Plus that game has exploration as a secondary loop
runic ether
wuwa gameplay is fine until later in the game
later in the game the flaws come through a lot was my experience
mostly that the end game modes are real bad without many characters so dupes were extra punishing and, the grinding was like genshin in the past which wasnt good
also idk the art style of thegame, while it can produce some pretty screenshots
man it just is dull
made exploring just not feel as good as it should
hmmm to describe it
glossy latch
Oh no I agree that the games artstyle is dull
Its easily the weakest part
Its the YA Dystopia of Gachas
runic ether
when exploring in genshin, u see a lot intentional stuff placed in ways that can grab your attention like the one fatui pyro agent who is staring at a mirror maiden from a distance in fontaine
glossy latch
And yeah Style is the one thing I cant complain about in ZZZ, but
runic ether
and shes placed just far enough where u will never trigger combat vs both but the scene is placed
long tree
I just really donāt get how they went āah yes our game is in the open world exploration genre, letās make everything dark, gritty and similar to one anotherā
runic ether
in a way where u can see, bc of past quests, that the fatui talk a lot
glossy latch
The problem is when I log in to ZZZ my first thought is just kinda
runic ether
like the pair in liyue northland bank branch
glossy latch
"Time to mindlessly spend my energy and log out"
long tree
The only place I remember from wuwa was the city thatās burning
glossy latch
I have quests left open that Im not doing because theyre just not really interesting enough?
runic ether
it gets better when u unlock more and more of hollow zero imo
long tree
And thatās only because my brain went āsonic 06 momentā and filed it under cringe ahh sonic references
runic ether
i usually log in and do hollow zero trying to get a better run to beat nineveh at highest pact punishment level
theres also arcade gaming but yeah i think more to do cant hurt zzz
glossy latch
Combat also just kinda fell off to me because a lot of it now is just
runic ether
they are experimenting though. jane's quest is played in semi-open world
glossy latch
Stick on Anby until theyre stunned, switch into Anton, press M1 a lot
long tree
That digging arcade game slaps
runic ether
where u control jane in overworld and do her quest to her
i'd like more of that when we go to the sons of calydon hq
let us play the characters more and in more game modes
zzz is a game where boss rush mode would go hard
combat becomes way more engaging when bosses start having real movesets
i will say that early zzz will probably not prepare players well enough for the harder boss(es)
late-game thanatos + second boss flank is a brutal encounter if you didnt bother learning the boss movesets
the ballet twins are p good and jane boss is fantastic too
getting a stun is harder vs them, and jane can parry you back
rapid bough
Stick on Anby until theyre stunned, switch into Anton, press M1 a lot
yeah to be fair i definitely do think ZZZ has a bit of a problem right now with being too reliant on stun loops--anby, lycaon, and qingyi are all really strong and unga bunga stun is just a good winning strategy that works for basically any context
i suspect that party styles and thus gameplay will branch out as better characters release for the other agent types
i do just wanna say that as far as gameplay goes, anton is like... the worst example lol
wispy goblet
How much do you think I could get away with playing characters I like and not caring too much about optimal team construction
rapid bough
he's effective but his basic gameplay loop is literally EX -> left click
rapid bough
How much do you think I could get away with playing characters I like and not ca...
shouldn't be an issue, even the free welfare characters are good
there honestly isn't a ZZZ character that is bad or not worth using
and there's enough skill expression in gameplay that you can make basically any character work for you
glossy latch
he's *effective* but his basic gameplay loop is literally EX -> left click
I mean yeah
But its not like the other damage rotations are that much more interesting,especially on a stunned enemy
rapid bough
i find zhu yuan's pretty fun
runic ether
How much do you think I could get away with playing characters I like and not ca...
every character is viable atm
runic ether
But its not like the other damage rotations are *that* much more interesting,esp...
i def think they played it a bit too safe on stuns
wispy goblet
Are characters eternally available to pull when they come out or are they timed
wispy goblet
hmmmm
runic ether
and then characters will rerun every like
wispy goblet
this may be a now or never moment
honest pawn
another Genshin boy's stolen my heart... this is not good
wispy goblet
If I don't do a lot of grinding (and I don't really have the time to)
How much of a money sink is it
rapid bough
this may be a now or never moment
have you seen a particular character you like from the gameplay you've watched
runic ether
If I don't do a lot of grinding (and I don't really have the time to)
How much o...
0
its all free to play
realistically, free to obtain every character too
if u are patient and lucky
wispy goblet
The guy I was watching was playing I think two of the police-themed characters and this girl in a pink(?) tank top?
runic ether
zhu yuan and qingyi?
rapid bough
might be pink hair, not tank top. that's nicole
police girls are zhu yuan and qingyi
runic ether
zhu yuan's banner already passed. she'll be back in a few months
rapid bough
qingyi's is only up for a few more days
honest pawn
is it childe
diluc
runic ether
oh ur cooked cus hes free rn
rapid bough
nicole my beloved
wispy goblet
https://tenor.com/vuSlWtgjnBI.gif
ye this was one of them
rapid bough
she's one of the game's poster girls and hoyo cooked unbelievably hard on her design
she's also really good in-game, and free
wispy goblet
shes the 3rd character u gey
okay brother no need for the personal attacks
rapid bough
runic ether
uhh i believe it lasts all of 5.0
honest pawn
sigh
rapid bough
meta idk what other gacha you've played but a fair warning that hoyo games' gacha rates and pity can be maddening so you gotta be careful how you spend currency
that's not to say you'll have to shell out real cash to play tho
runic ether
yeah okay it's during 5.0
wispy goblet
I've played
- Dead or Alive Venus Vacation (free to play)
- WWE 2K MyFaction (spend like a $100 a year despite telling myself I won't)
honest pawn
YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME
rapid bough
i know neither of those games but ZZZ is completely f2p, the cash shop is specifically for pull/gacha currency but you will get a fair deal of that just by playing the game as rewards for missions, leveling, etc
so the shop is just to supplement the natural income from playing the game
runic ether
shop is there for if you really want to collect all characters + weapons (unnecessary)
rapid bough
basically for those instance where a character comes out that you really want, but your currency/pull luck doesn't get you there
runic ether
you also get clear rates and amount needed to guarantee a character
wispy goblet
Venus Vacation pull rates were pretty bad
MyFaction too tbh
rapid bough
personally i buy the $5 monthly pass, it's really good value at a cost i literally couldn't care less about
but that's it
runic ether
something i wish they did for hsr and genshin is that they tell you exactly how far off you are from pity
without going into more menus
wispy goblet
Do you gotta play daily to get max value out of the monthly pass?
rapid bough
does it? i thought it was for strictly 30 days
runic ether
nope it works like genshin and hsr
rapid bough
so if you miss logins you miss the currency
rapid bough
oh based
the disclaimer they put on it mentions missing days and not getting "refunds" for them
runic ether
since it says across the 30 days u log in
honest pawn
rapid bough
anyway the $5/mo pass is 3000 currency which is nearly 20 pulls
which is honestly one of the more generous monthly passes i've seen in gacha
nikke's is $5/mo for 10 pulls
runic ether
the disclaimer they put on it mentions missing days and not getting "refunds" fo...
i gotta double check
rapid bough
granted nikke has much better gacha rates
runic ether
i know in genshin, it's across 30 days
starting the day you log in
if you miss a day
it wont "miss"
you just start the next day then
it should be the same in zzz
but yeah it is actually quite a lot of value (in all 3 hoyo games)
runic ether
oh actually nvm it seems it was adjusted for all games a while back
it is whenever u log in for the next 30 days
runic ether
half a pull gone š
rapid bough
sad!
runic ether
genshin has
rapid bough
that's weird coming from nikke/AL which have almost entirely skin-based economies lol
runic ether
15
hoyo has mentioned iirc that they really care about the visual fidelity of the characters
their marketing for the games is the characters
honest pawn
told a fellow gay that I was installing genshin for diluc
rapid bough
that's totally fair, especially for characters that are like the poster characters of the game... keeping their design consistent is good for marketing
still, a bit sad
rapid bough
you know you whaled too hard when the game devs have to step in like "bro chill"
runic ether
oh speaking of skins
diluc in genshin is so far the only character with a 5 star skin in genshin
even other popular 5 stars have 4 star ranked skins
where its not nearly a drastic change like diluc
its such a strange choice overall but like
it makes sense since they really want to keep the visual id of characters as recognizable as possible
its why genshin (and zzz and hsr) characters have such detailed backs
because you spend a ton of time looking at their back in gameplay
rapid bough
yes and i very much appreciate the detail they've put into ZZZ characters' backs especially
rapid bough
double cheeked up fr
ZZZ is tastefully horny and i appreciate that about it
didn't think hoyo had it in em
rapid bough
runic ether
zzz is them going into it a lot more
rapid bough
my police officer wife can't possibly be this loaded!
rapid bough
zzz is them going into it a lot more
and thank god for that
not ashamed to admit that's why the game caught my eye
(happily it has a lot going for it other than that tho)
rapid bough
something i've noticed in ZZZ is that the in-engine cinematics have jiggle physics turned up to 11
runic ether
the animation in zzz is top notch
they are not afraid to go full comic-book style
and say their bones are now jelly
rapid bough
yeah ZZZ's style and animation quality is fantastic
runic ether
or hyper exaggerated physics and movement
this cutscene was great bc that shot of her running through was not her moving
it was her stationary, and everything moves towards her
its a comic style trick to show movement but animated
and it looked fantastic
runic ether
this game's entire style is comics/manga
heavily inspired by studio trigger
each character's ultimate has impact frames hand drawn
that flash when they ult is all hand drawn
summer hornet
Lmao
runic ether
summer hornet
If I had 12 more hours a day, Iād give Limbus Company and ZZZ a try
But Iāve already broken the rule of 3
runic ether
its the anby difference
rapid bough
this cutscene was great bc that shot of her running through was not her moving
miyabi banner is gonna make hoyo so much goddamn money
runic ether
miyabi banner is gonna make hoyo so much goddamn money
for now
just wait until they release zzz's raiden
honkai star rail had no raiden and it made a lot of money
honkai star rail got raiden and some guy got over 600 copies of her light cone
summer hornet
Actually have there been any Hoyo expys in ZZZ so far?
glossy latch
Yeah ZZZs animations really stand out
glossy latch
Much more fluid than Genshins
runic ether
but an elysia expy was shown in the story trailer they released
along with a raiden and kiana expy
these figures are supposed to be "dead" or "not active" though
and we know miyabi's mom (grandma maybe?) was in that same group
theory that nicole is elysia's child
so that'd make nicole an elysia expy
rapid bough
i'm not familiar with hoyoverse jargon, wtf is an expy and/or a raiden
runic ether
oh i guess jane is technically a yelan expy
runic ether
i'm not familiar with hoyoverse jargon, wtf is an expy and/or a raiden
raiden is the name of a character
she's been in every hoyo game since their first game iirc
originally dr. mei iirc?
in honkai impact 3rd she became raiden mei
glossy latch
And Expy is a general term
runic ether
she's always been a lighting/electric based sword user
glossy latch
Its a character thats basically a pastiche of another character
runic ether
expy is a term used to refer to characters that share a name/appearance between hoyo multiverse
rapid bough
i'm just now making the connection to raiden shogun who even i've heard of despite knowing fuckall about genshin
summer hornet
Expy isnāt Hoyo-exclusive terminology, Iām just using it to mean āa character with overt callbacks to another character in a previous workā
Like Char Clones or Yu-Boys
runic ether
i'm just now making the connection to raiden shogun who even i've heard of despi...
she's famous for having a domain expansion right as jjk was initially coming out lol
went: dr mei -> raiden mei -> raiden shogun (her real name is ei) -> acheron (raiden bosemori mei)
but they all have the same long purple hair, purple eyes, and are lighting-wielding warriors with a sword
rapid bough
but they're not literally the same character in some hoyo extended multiverse are they
just same aesthetic + name, sorta
runic ether
yeah
they have differences
surface level
mei has bangs
in that style
shogun has a long braid
rapid bough
l e g
glossy latch
but they're not literally the same character in some hoyo extended multiverse ar...
No, just multiple characters that are expies of each other
The only character who is the same in multiple games is Welt
runic ether
and
glossy latch
Which is a plot point
runic ether
welt is only the same
bc of yeah
a story point
and only between impact 3rd and star rail
glossy latch
Well him and possibly Void Archive, but who knows what that guy is up to in HSR
runic ether
if welt shows up in genshin, he'd be an expy
runic ether
Well him and *possibly* Void Archive, but who knows what that guy is up to in HS...
devious things
rapid bough
i can see based on design alone why a ZZZ raiden would basically print money for them
runic ether
raiden is the favorite child
ehhh actually
maybe kiana is
with a strong argument that it's bronya
after all, bronya in impact 3rd owns mihoyo
glossy latch
Its Bronya
There are so many versions of Bronya
I think Genshin is the only game to not have a Bronya (yet)
runic ether
the tsaritsa sends her regards
glossy latch
Meanwhile HSR has two and HI3 has ....
At least 3?
I wanna say its more than that though
glossy latch
Yes although Kiana is odd
Since she is basically not in Genshin and just straight up isnt in HSR at all yet
runic ether
she'll be in genshin a lot more later on
the hsr one is the interesting one
in genshin we know she's basically asleep
but nothing at all in hsr is weird
glossy latch
Anyway Ill probably get Jane Doe, see if I vibe more with the game after that, and if not Ill probably just drop it tbh
runic ether
fair 
can always come back if things get more interesting
not like these games ever truly go away
summer hornet
no one's ever really gone
runic ether
ultimately though
if zzz raiden is any fun
i will become raiden's strongest soldier
the reason i havent been spending anything in zzz
is so that i can spend money in genshin next phase in 5.0
im getting engulfing lightning
im (maybe) going to c2
if i can manage to get specific work hours, i may push c6
c2 though, is more likely
c2/r1
honest pawn
man why is genshin 80 gigs
runic ether
man why is genshin 80 gigs
at this point the map is about twice the size of breath of the wild
honest pawn
well at least there's way to reduce the file size
runic ether
yeah it'll compress afterwards iirc
glossy latch
I just saw what Capitano actually looks like under his cloak
Laaaame
||Why is he another goddamn twink||
slow raft
If I had 12 more hours a day, Iād give Limbus Company and ZZZ a try
sotrue so real
https://vxtwitter.com/stinklair/status/1829523042617450808
You know, it never occured to me even tho the signs were there, lmao
summer hornet
I mean, what do we say in FGO?
honest pawn
fuck bitches, get money?
summer hornet
....I was thinking "waifu over meta", but if you translate "fuck bitches get money" to "screw the rules, I'll follow my heart's metaphorical treasure"
then sure!
mystic python
should I even care about viability of the units or should I just grab Diluc
Ye just pick whoever you like, game's not that hard. That ranking is also a bit wack anyway
runic ether
should I even care about viability of the units or should I just grab Diluc
viability doesnt matter also dont usegame8
keqingmains is infinitely better and more informative
game8 is tripping balls if they rate mona above keqing now
rapid bough
dumping a few thousand AP into opsi at the last moment is not a fun experience, i am a fool for waiting this long 
runic ether
or above diluc even
glossy latch
... well ok then
runic ether
mona is an insanely specific support
glossy latch
Randomly got a Yangqing within 4 rolls of my last 5* on the standard banner
runic ether
free yanqing
summer hornet
4 more tickets, congrats!
glossy latch
True
rapid bough
speaking of tier lists, what's the most "trustworthy" for ZZZ? i use prydwen out of habit since i look there for nikke too, and since it gives build details too like skill and W-engine prio
glossy latch
But it did also basically remove 4 rolls from pity
runic ether
speaking of tier lists, what's the most "trustworthy" for ZZZ? i use prydwen out...
there really isnt
prydwen is also slow to update
glossy latch
In essence I got nothing (Yanqing)
rapid bough
i kinda figured, the roster almost isn't big enough and everyone is usable so it barely matters lol
runic ether
mhm
but, speaking of that
i was thinking of doing the handiwork myself
cus keqingmains staff is already struggling to keep up with hsr
they cant tackle a hoyo game
and a ton of content creators are doing the math wrong vs type weak or type resistant enemies
testing should be no resonium, no debuff vs nineveh who is completely neutral and the new mode gives you a precise output of how much damage you did
and it gives me an excuse to learn every character tech
honest pawn
oh no he's hooooooooooooooooooooot
runic ether
free diluc
rapid bough
finally finished the jane story and honestly she felt kinda clunky to play? idk, the brief tutorial on how her skills work definitely was not enough lol
felt like she'd sometimes get trapped in animation and couldn't dodge which is ultra shit, but idk if i'm just bad at the game
and her spinny move seemed like it just didn't want to start sometimes
95% chance it's just operator error though, i need to get more used to her moveset lol
runic ether
yeah you'll get a tutorial once she actually releases with a proper guide on her mechanics
versed pawn
and her spinny move seemed like it just didn't want to start sometimes
U get the spin charge attack once per passion stream obtained
so if u want to have anither one u need to spend all your passion and enter stream again
rapid bough
that's the operator error part then since i definitely was trying it multiple times per stream and getting frustrated why it seemed to randomly not work
versed pawn
e1 give you 2 spinny moves per passion stream
rapid bough
i don't think i'll ever pull for dupes in this game given the rates are so shit for doing so
so one spin2win per passion it is
versed pawn
but it's arkward since beta testers pretty much say u don't want to leave passion state since you got the highest anomaly build up in that state
rapid bough
doesn't her spin move give passion charge back?
versed pawn
I think it spends it no her attacks consumed stream and dodge and dodge attacking fuels it
saved 200 pulls tho
40 from guaranteed pity so I try weapon since in 30 away from 50/50
rapid bough
doesn't her spin move give passion charge back?
i'm like 99% sure it does, or at least that's what i remember reading in the admittedly incomplete tutorial
that's part of why i was trying to use it so much
versed pawn
Yeah spin move generates
Anyway just one more day xp farm and I have finally everything I need for Seth and Jane
long tree
Launch month worldwide will do that
rapid bough
afk journey has been cooking out of nowhere
yeah not out of nowhere, it launched in asia this month lol
idle grove
as someone who has never really known about it
it came out of nowhere
back to fgo farming
summer hornet
I'm surprised Honkai Star Rail is still in the top 5, ngl
Even with a so called skip patch
long tree
Yunli feet sold ig
honest pawn
infinite money glitch
long tree
Patch story did go hard tho
summer hornet
True
summer hornet
Looking forward to the conclusion of that
rapid bough
just pulled san diego from my 1 build a day on light pool
finally got my AA carry
time to level and retro her
god damn this is gonna be expensive
idle grove
oh I hope they make more of these
brand new CE in the store
gives extra bond for casters
I hope they do one of these for each class
long tree
20%
DAMN
summer hornet
Bruh, they've never given us more than 15% bond lmao
slow raft
bond 15 castoria even faster 
slow raft
Twitter
old galleon
god damn this is gonna be expensive
Esp since she also has an augment
So you add 21k on top of your retro cost
rapid bough
honestly more bummed about the 2000 spec cores i have to spend for her retro item
with the 6000 from this month that puts me at around 8900, enough to buy 2 UR bulins
those + the UR bulin from the upcoming event = enough to MLB mogador
but if i buy sandy's retro item, i don't have enough cores for 2 bulins
so gonna have to wait a month on her
w/e, need time to level her and her skills anyway
on another note, i'm almost done izumo and trying to plan which ship i dev next
i realized that i have enough BPs to dev30 brest immediately when i get her, but it'd require using all of my general BPs (that can turn into any DR BP from seasons 1-7)
struggling through whether i want to do that for brest, or save all those general BPs for plymouth
i'm gravitating toward using them on brest because 1) i'm much closer to unlocking her (i don't even have the fleet tech for plymouth) and 2) i have way more brest BPs anyway, almost 100 more than plymouth, so even if i unlocked plymouth today i wouldn't be anywhere close to getting her dev30
so it's a difference between immediately usable brest vs saving to make plymouth usable faster in future
old galleon
What general bp items do you mean?
rapid bough
the ones that you can turn into BPs for any DR ship
old galleon
The ones I'm thinking of can't be used on later seasons than their own
So a season 4 print can't be used for a season 5
rapid bough
i have around 80 DR2-6 prints and 70 DR2-7
old galleon
Are those a paid thing?
rapid bough
nope, just got them over time from events
there are usually several from event tracks and event shops
old galleon
Yeah but the event prints and such are listed as being a specific pr season, and they can't be used on newer season ships
So I'm not sure what you mean
rapid bough
event prints can be turned into BPs for any ship of their season or earlier
for instance
old galleon
Yeah that's the implication of what I said
rapid bough
so i have a bunch of season 6 or 7 prints
brest is season 5, so i can turn them into BPs for her
old galleon
You're calling them pr 2-6 and pr 2-7 tho
rapid bough
just b/c those are the seasons they can be turned into
also occurs to me that using them on brest means i wouldn't have any for haku
hmmmmmmmmm
old galleon
Dr4 isn't coinable yet, I think
rapid bough
yeah it's not
old galleon
But it might be within the next year
rapid bough
true, still a fair bit out but no huge rush
and brest would be a huge upgrade to my vanguards
old galleon
If you can get the tech, I think Plymouth would be higher priority
Her own personal damage is very high, on top of her overall damage contribution with her flagship buff
rapid bough
no doubt, but i'm so much further away from her
another snag is that i'm still gonna be focusing season 4 for a while, until agir and haku are up and running
and even if i unlocked plymouth and dumped all my general BPs into her today, i'd still be something like 100 BPs short of dev30
couple that with not research focusing season 5 for a while and that's forever til she's done
old galleon
It'd take some time but a detour to pr5 research for ply gun might not be a bad idea if you can't afford it in proto core shop
So you'd get some prints for her that way
rapid bough
i might actually dev monarch next for the HMS tech then lol
i'm still like 130 away from the 900 i need for plymouth
i'm sitting on 43 since vanguard isn't 120 yet, but the rest of the way is unknown
old galleon
monarch isn't terrible at least
but definitely needs an upgrade of some sort to keep up with modern standards
rapid bough
monarch also has the benefit of getting combat data from ships i want to use anyway
namely uni and vanguard
rapid bough
monarch isn't terrible at least
i prolly won't even use her tbh
just getting for fleet tech
kind of a shame because her design is badass
old galleon
well you need to 120 her for all her fleet tech
so you'll end up using her for that alone
old galleon
yes but you're still leaving like 33 or so on the table
rapid bough
yeah i'll use her eventually
but my roster isn't complete enough to spend time leveling her just for fleet tech
would rather be leveling other more useful ships
rapid bough
yeah i can use her over hood or nelson when i'm grinding other HMS ships or something
since both of them are 120 already
old galleon
if you have duke of york she'd be a better 120 target
rapid bough
may stop and get drake on the way to plymouth too
old galleon
since iirc she gives either hit or reload tech for bb's
rapid bough
i don't have DoY but i've seen her in the merit shop and am saving for her atm
blew 20k merit on eldridge when her retro was announced lol
old galleon
if you can justify the detour, you can head over to winter's crown in war archives and farm d3 60 times
old galleon
aight
old galleon
oh howe's not a bad 120 target
good ship on her own too
also if your uni is already 125 and you happened to get spooked by perseus, you can use her too
old galleon
percy has pretty big problems in harder content but she's totally fine for chapter 12 farming, for example
rapid bough
yeah i just want a second strong healer b/c having to move uni around all my fleets is annoying lol
old galleon
(plus i like her design)
rapid bough
i really wish you could put the same ship in multiple fleet formations and just have the game yell at you when you try to use more than one formation with the same ship
having to take ships out of one formation to put them in another is annoying
old galleon
you could just keep uni permanently in one of your fleets and adjust the other ships as necessary
you can also potentially use zuihou now
not sure she qualifies as a main healer but she's probably enough for 12-4 at least
rapid bough
she seems decent enough but idt i want to blow the bulins and skill book time to get her up and running
so many other better things to spend those on
old galleon
ye
i'm just saying you have some options
even if you ignore shouhou
shouhou augment when
long tree
I keep forgetting is this a good thing or not
idle grove
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rapid bough
real rat energy
runic ether
shes tall wow
copper steppe
https://x.com/ZenlessW0rld/status/1830096142991855759?t=UeNUUozRQMx3A-Z-Fs1_gA&s...
what does the rrat do
runic ether
standard banner goodies
runic ether
what does the rrat do
damage
copper steppe
cool
slow raft
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long tree
Nicole if she was the girlboss she wanted to be
versed pawn
u need to try harder
long tree
Bro how I canāt see where Iām missing shit
versed pawn
well i used interactive map to find the pyroculus which leads u in a ton of caves that have some extra chests
long tree
well i used interactive map to find the pyroculus which leads u in a ton of cave...
I cba to use that shit
runic ether
Nicole if she was the girlboss she wanted to be
that's her court outfit she was showing off at the beginning of chapter 3
also my genshin and hsr have synced
long tree
I aināt played chapter 3 yet but damn sheās slaying
versed pawn
its neat 1.2 gives a free lucy so you allready at m4
runic ether
tru
long tree
Got one obsidian ring done and am missing the last piece for the other two
They are evil for making these random
versed pawn
my brother is still missing one ring and has a map like i do
got them all arround 80%
long tree
I did the one where you have to gather 7 seelis underground, gave me like 5 chances for a ring
The main issue is running around the areas having to quadruple check I didnāt miss anything
old galleon
jiren mentioned
old galleon
what i'm getting out of this is, power creep is super fast in this game
long tree
If itās world wide celebration (which I guess now is just ācelebrationā) or anniversary the power scale gets tipped
Text boxes for passives from the first unit to the most recent
wispy goblet
Yu-Gi-Oh levels of text creep
late canopy
I don't play it anymore but following it somewhat, Dragon ball legends has a very similar trend lol
long tree
Trust me this is worse because you have to figure out what buffs are additive and which ones are multiplicative
long tree
It do be a Bandai namco game
late canopy
Unless you're a especially busted unit, then you get one year
long tree
Legends is worse for it though due to pvp
late canopy
Text boxes for passives from the first unit to the most recent
This is also legends
honest pawn
Sunday HSR is a very cute man
honest pawn
will Sunday be playable at any point in the future?
honest pawn
that's like 4 months right
I guess I could log back into HSR and play it just a little bit more
summer hornet
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mortal iron
(It has been 1 month for global since his release lmao)
I got super shafted in this celebration
torn harbor
The game was also advertised from hell to back here
mortal iron
Also oh come on I didn't get to feel like god with beast for that long
mortal iron
is it true that 2023 dokkan was not a good time for units
long tree
The regular released units were not great, nor were the wwc units
Goku and vegeta blue were ass, merged zamasu had the name controversy and aged out, trunks couldnāt take hits and gohanā¦ actually gohan was good
long tree
Pretty much
mortal iron
how did people play dokkan in 2023 yeesh
long tree
Dokkan still has an issue of if you donāt pull the new unit the game is dead
mortal iron
yup
im feeling that rn
genshin won this
why they both have to come out on the same day
long tree
Itās why I treat Dokkan as a side game
mortal iron
yeah
even when you get the new unit, not much to do afterwards
dokkan doesnt balance the chase aspect and playing with the chase card
long tree
Ay nice
honest pawn
guy
guy why is it sinking
why the fuck is it sinking
walpurgis kinda mid...
except for Ryoshu
I really want good rupture ID's but I guess the status is simply too good
summer hornet
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copper steppe
kal wants this twink obliterated
slow raft
why the fuck is it sinking
Another 2 limbillion ahn to Sinking, lets gooooo
long tree
slow raft
Idk if i prefer this to sinking deluge tho
long tree
Locked to Japan
slow raft
My guess is that they dont want to make units that are essential to archegypes locked to walpurgisnacht maybe?
So they made a sidegrade
long tree
slow raft
Idk
honest pawn
which is weird because they made the best burn units walpurgis-only
honest pawn
unless Yi Sang is neutral on sinking I fear I may not use him
slow raft
Kitwise for me its
Gregor > ryoshu > yi sang
honest pawn
depending on the bleed values ryoshu might be cracked as hell
so I'll be pulling regardless
slow raft
needs to be really cracked cause its no count (unless the red eye status changes that)
will pull regardless cause she seems like an exceptianally fun solo unit
also because i always get all the walpurgis ids
dawn office commentary would be neat too but well see
honest pawn
I would offer up my firstborn son for hod announcer
slow raft
i wouldnt even do that for a binah announcer
honest pawn
angela and popcorn machine announcer
mortal iron
okay 10/10 the theater, that was easy because my roster was so favored
mortal iron
long tree
Theyāre cooking with Natlan splash art
mortal iron
im at the point in the game that i can clear anything so now i can go for aesthetic pulls
too bad father hasnt come back so i cant get her weapon
runic ether
i would have liked to get chiori but barring some insane xilonen nerfs, shes just better
also may not have spare currency to spare if i end up whaling for raiden in a bit
mortal iron
yeah xilohen just being from natlan makes that support set insane
long tree
Iām gonna save for pyro archon and then pick up xilonen later
runic ether
yeah xilohen just being from natlan makes that support set insane
even without that
mortal iron
chiori cant so like my stocks weighs more into that
runic ether
shes a blacksmith, dj, rollerskater
and shes an ocelot too ig
but more notably her kit is just insane
runic ether
whoever the geo savior thought they were, she is
mortal iron
i get sumeru was dendro and all that...but god geo was just deaaaaaaaaaaad
like why didnt they make dendro have a geo reaction
runic ether
geo being standalone is fine if they were going to keep releasing geo characters
mortal iron
but they didnt that's the thing for sumeru
runic ether
nah
long tree
My problem with geo probably isnāt helped by the fact I consider all geo units kits boring
mortal iron
the others ones are niche or geo only
runic ether
geo can now use furina
long tree
The closest to a geo character whoās design I found somewhat interesting is chiori and her mid air character swaps
runic ether
itto and noelle are in a spot where with xilonen they shouldnt need to rely on anything but their most optimal playstyles to hit reliable 100-200 maybe even 300k normals thanks to geo shred from xilonen and xilonen heals upkeeping furina fanfare
navia can use xilonen furina bennett and hit 1 million click e's for sure
the math should allow that easily
geo will be meta bc of her barring any major nerfs
mortal iron
i dunno to me like navia and xilohen doesnt address the geo problem coz the other ones are very geo centric, sure itto and noelle can use furina but so can like most teams
and itto still wants c6 goro
noelle really wants c6 to start to flourish
runic ether
c6 gorou isnt necessary
mortal iron
navia is independantly strong without geo, she just happens to be geo
runic ether
it used to be, that c6 gorou was needed only bc geo was struggling in damage without it
they couldnt run bennett well
and they couldnt do furina either
xilonen solves the furina issue
that was the only thing holding geo back
mortal iron
i think once we get like 2-3 more geo units then i'll say it's fully saved
it's getting way better than the sumeru days
of just nothing
runic ether
for sure
kachina is also p great as a budget xilonen
so geo has just been eating well
mortal iron
i heard people just deadass just using lv1 of her coz it's just she carries the set
runic ether
yeah
no reason to be level 1
we have free level 40
but yea
carries the set, offers geo construct
mortal iron
also very good at exploration in natlan
runic ether
gives minor buffs and geo particles and crystalize
glossy latch
Man its such a contrast how much quicker and easier it is to get 5* in WuWa compared to ZZZ
mortal iron
building mualani is gonna be weird
coz she easily overcaps in CR with her set
so i guess CD + HP% is best subs?
mortal iron
EM too i guess for more vape damage
hence my hydro goblet went to double atk subs stats
š
mortal iron
The one time I wanted hp%
i swear the game is trolling me
it's good and for future chars who dont overcap easily
long tree
ER is needed if you want to use her outside of natlan, her skill lasts for 2 level 3 uses and 1 level 2 usages without adding phlog
It does not give a lot of energy at all
runic ether
ye
long tree
Rrat
glossy latch
Ngl I kinda dislike how difficult it is to even get a standard 5*
glossy latch
Meanwhile I have all 3 that I wanted in WuWa
versed pawn
im so rdy
runic ether
Ngl I kinda dislike how difficult it is to even get a standard 5*
yeah for sure
idk how to describe it compared to the other hoyo games even
its like
the thing about it is probably that since this game has way more emphasis on new characters for new playstyles
not having the standard characters is worse
while in genshin this is true too, the base gameplay in genshin's standard characters arent super unique
glossy latch
Mmh
Well, Ill see
WuWa has been quite nice actually, shame the story is not good
Wish I didnt miss Changli tho, she seems fun
runic ether
yeah
i'll say thats my only real gripe with zzz
not getting the characters feels worse than the other hoyo gachas
but its mostly bc of how good the characters are
and i do wish we had more ways and places to play the characters in
but, thats just a hoyo thing. we'll see that over time as they add more game modes and such
rapid bough
im so rdy
at first i was like "how does he have so many goddamn banner pulls" but then ofc i saw the shop you were in + complete lack of polychromes lol
i never buy pulls ahead of time tbh, i just hit "pull 10" and spend however much polychrome is necessary from that screen
so i stockpile my polys, i have something like 12k atm
glossy latch
Either way is fine, but if you cant do the math just converting them is easier tbh
rapid bough
yeah
it gives me more comfort to keep my polys around, if i spend it all ahead of time i feel poor and panic when i look at how much i have lol
i just remember 16k polys = 100 pulls, so i'm nowhere close to guaranteed pity... gacha gods bless me
so far zhu and qingyi both took me 70 pulls each, i didn't even hit 50/50 with them
but eventually gacha luck will kill me
old galleon
decided to go back to earlier chapters and pick up more of the drop exclusives for collection percentage
took longer than i'd like to admit but i finally got honolulu to drop
still got nicholas, niizuki, sendai, agano, dewey, and some others to grab
old galleon
after 3,000 years someone finally posted the eresh bg loop lol
at least it's a pretty straightforward one, needing appends 2/5 and 2x oberon
versed pawn
at first i was like "how does he have so many goddamn banner pulls" but then ofc...
Helps me to edge not doing eneregy refills by converting them
versed pawn
WuWa has been quite nice actually, shame the story is not good
1.1 is at least a step up I guess still looking forward to 1.3 in 4 weeks new area looks nice
Changli is neat ngl good for trash farming and well build can solo some sides on tower
Mine isn't well build yet 
1.3 brings star platinum echo
summer hornet
How long until content creators start getting access to the Feixiao gameplay?
slow raft
https://x.com/tanginamaran/status/1829471917989941258
Its red eyes all the way down
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versed pawn
Uh should allready
Pretty sure they can usually post guides for charactrrs 2 weeks prior
runic ether
How long until content creators start getting access to the Feixiao gameplay?
later this week
but most content creators will play her like shit lol
versed pawn
Feixiao is out in a few days right and the people thst use the content creator server from hoyo are usually allowed to 1-2 weeks prior to release right
runic ether
holy shit i choked my rotation so bad vs hans
finished 1st half with like 2 minutes to spare and end up losing all of it and a minute and a half
versed pawn
Doing shiyu when I have Jane
Not much left to do this patch
And I wanna have a better lock mechanic specifically for enemies like Hans
summer hornet
I guess it was just that simple, lmao
I have gone from 0 Favonius Swords to 3 in this single weapon banner
mental acorn
i like this little bird
runic ether
chat
anyone have a heterosexual explanation for this
this also fucks (not sexually)
audio will only be available in japanese for this one apparently
torn harbor
Really hope there isn't another last minute VA swap
Isn't America going through a VA boycott thing?
summer hornet
Something like that, a video game VA boycott
But I thought HSR wasn't quite affected the same way?
torn harbor
Well who knows some people might be doing it for all their VA work
old galleon
so how many of these are gonna be duds
got nicholas, shitori, and jasmine, 5 gold moons, rose queen summon, and a weapon that was a literal dud
still 13 gm off an illustrious
rapid bough
https://youtu.be/5WCl2mtL4eE?feature=shared
next AL patch has plymouth BP campaign, 30 free BPs right on time for me pushing for the HMS tech to actually unlock her lol
ibuki aug is interesting too, izumo's was really good so wonder if all PR (and presumably eventually DR) augs will be significant upgrades
idle grove
Twitter
versed pawn
finally
slow raft
Twitter
honest pawn
ryoshu is awesome
old galleon
ibuki aug is interesting too, izumo's was really good so wonder if all PR (and p...
which augments were announced so far? just ibuki's?
oh we got jp client's patch notes
let's see
The experience points obtained by the ships "Shinano," "Amagi," "Akagi," "Nagato," and "Kaga" during regular sea sorties and Siren Operation sorties will be increased during certain missions in the quest phase.
this might be the best overall selection of experience ships for a cta so far lol
it's not a huge difference but assuming i have rupprecht done anytime soon i guess i'll take advantage and do daisen here
okay so the augments are for ibuki, exeter, tashkent, shiranui, and dunkerque
realistically, however good ibuki's aug ends up being, she probably won't end up differentiating herself from unzen
which is her biggest issue right now, that unzen came in out of nowhere with a gigantic wrecking ball and destroyed her
but we'll see
lol whoever posted a translation of the patch notes on reddit translated zuihou as zuikaku
hmm
i'm bored so i'm gonna try to think of some potential collabs al might get this year
post-global collabs were neptunia, hololive, kizuna ai, dead or alive, idolm@ster, gridman, ryza, senran kagura
i don't think i'm missing any
aside from technically world of warships i guess, but that's special
old galleon
given that, i don't see it being an existing gacha property, so no blue archive, arknights, or other collabs like that
apparently king of fighters has been going insane with collabs recently, even outside of the one another eden got, so while i consider that low likelihood, it feels more possible than it did when the ae one got revealed
mortal iron
ah this will do
runic ether
not the new event weapon?
mortal iron
im running nahida + emillie + dehya for overworld
old galleon
it would be funny if they went and did a collab for another vtube agency, but after the colossal mess that hololive ended up becoming for them, probably not happening
mortal iron
i like to watch my opponents BURN
old galleon
eva would be a fun (if generic) collab option, if not for the fact that i can't think of enough shipgirl candidates
runic ether
im running nahida + emillie + dehya for overworld
all the more
old galleon
usually collabs have 6 playables
runic ether
why do u need the healing?
long tree
Cause she surfs through the enemies to do her damage so she takes damage
It adds up
Unless Emilie heals or something I ain't read her kit
old galleon
Cause she surfs through the enemies to do her damage so she takes damage
lmao they released mogador in genshin
mortal iron
emillie only reduces burn damage alot
runic ether
Cause she surfs through the enemies to do her damage so she takes damage
ik how she works but if its for overworld between dehya and emilie, you should be fine
mortal iron
ah but i kinda sometimes fuck up in OW gaming with her surfing
coz i forget when in surf mode she basically xiao's plunge forward
and not plunge down
runic ether
hm
old galleon
oh wait re:zero is totally a possibility isn't it
esp since new season starts next month
and there should be enough candidates
emilia, rem, ram, beatrice, felt, priscilla, crusch, anastasia
honest pawn
ew
old galleon
i guess petra would also be an option, although less likely at only this stage
frederica?
old galleon
ew
i'm just saying, it's possible
they went and did ryza before, so they're not totally unwilling to draw from more fantasy-based series
honest pawn
old galleon
re:zero ain't even that bad
honest pawn
yeah it is
long tree
Me agreeing with roast for once
long tree
Me when I hide my harem op fantasy anime behind my protagonist being inexcusably stupid
old galleon
tbf he gets better
honest pawn
every isekai is outclassed by Scrapped Princess unfortunately
old galleon
i understand not wanting to wait as long as it takes to happen
long tree
every isekai is outclassed by Scrapped Princess unfortunately
Aight now we diverge, because that is not greatest estate developer
old galleon
but there's at least more to him than just being "inexcusably stupid", which is more than i can say of a lot of other isekai
honest pawn
Aight now we diverge, because that is not greatest estate developer
yo you've read Scrapped Princess?
old galleon
is greatest estate developer isekai?
long tree
Or at least not enough
honest pawn
It has no pictures
no worries, it has an anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZeCdCs-veE
long tree
I do not have the attention span for anime anymore sadly
long tree
haven't checked it but i know there's a big regression wave in manhwa
It's sad but at least greatest estate developers prequel and sequel stories didn't fall into it, the most is just Lloyd having the ability to check what ending he's on route for
rapid bough
i'm bored so i'm gonna try to think of some potential collabs al might get this ...
how often does it even get collabs?
nikke's following a trend of 2/year for instance bit i get the impression that's way more often than AL gets
old galleon
one/year usually, with it being in november
there was one year there were multiple collabs, but idolm@ster was its own disaster for them
so idk if that'll happen again anytime soon
anything you think might get the collab treatment?
rapid bough
god idek
the fact that AL is even lewder (and less mainstream) than nikke makes it hard to predict
would re:zero really be willing to collab with it? lol
that said, the timeframe matches and they did collab with nikke earlier this year so it's a reasonable guess
better than any guess i could come up with anyway
long tree
Konosuba would be down
long tree
the fact that AL is even lewder (and less mainstream) than nikke makes it hard t...
Id argue it's easier for azur lane because they can just choose not to play into it like they did with the grid man collab
old galleon
oh yeah, i guess konosuba has enough options that'd be a possibility
aqua, megumin, darkness for the main 3, then i guess characters like wiz, yunyun, eris etc
but yeah, i don't think re:zero is particularly likely, just a possibility
like jotlico said, they did have gridman which didn't play as much into the lewd stuff, although i wouldn't say it was totally non-lewd
for that, you'd have to go to idolm@ster
the collab skins were all tasteful yukata/kimono festival skins
and you can't even be considered oathed with them
rapid bough
i know AL can play nice with less lewd IPs, more a question of whether the IP will play nice with them lol
collabs are a two-way street after all
re:zero has evidently shown a willingness to collab with lewd IPs though (hence nikke collab)
long tree
aqua, megumin, darkness for the main 3, then i guess characters like wiz, yunyun...
I would say megumin and yunyun would be a bit yikes but like that hasn't stopped them before ig
old galleon
al has literal child ships in the game