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My main issue is that Im running out of upgrade materials
tell me about it
Or rather, have ran out
i have
Those are a pain to farm
23 purples
But Ive got a few pieces I can try
I hardly ever get CR/CD rolls on pieces nowadays tho
and frankly like 7 good relics to show for it
Time to try Stage 8 and see if I can clear it easily now
Also man Fu Xuan feels immortal
she is (usually)
i have had various swarm disaster tortorus difficulty runs hinge on the fact that fx doesnt die
Very silly character
Ok yeah this feels good, Seele does bonkers damage
Ok yeah mono-quantum feels insanely good now
And I basically havent built my SW yet
(I keep forgetting)
Same
if ur looking at prydwen they have been smoking fat ones recently
My only guess is its because of her skill
boxing isnt bad on clara but it is inconsistent
Since Clara does a good chunk of damage in her skill
Hmm
Oh I can just run 2/2
I keep forgetting thats an option
1 sec i asked some tcers lol
Im going 2/2 for now anyway since the substats are slightly better
But Ill replace the two Ash Duke pieces anyway since theyre not ideal
actually
okay
so
tc brings up boxing set atm
4pc boxer is her bis
but 2pc/2pc is not bad
that being 2pc ash duke 2pc prisoner
or an atk% set
Not 2 piece Boxer + Duke?
if u really care about improving clara, boxing is her bis in most scenarios
u can do boxer duke but its not as amazing as duke prisoner
since atk% is nice
and of course
salsotto is her best planar ornament set
That I figured, Im already using it
Ok back to 4 piece boxer
Had one slightly better piece for the headgear
But I guess Ill nee to farm Boxer
huh tho the graphs prydwen is posting arent great
they are putting boxing at 100%
which cant assume as her default set
Ok hold on, I got a crit rate one with crit damage substat (I assume you cant get a substat thats already a main stat right?)
u cannot
this goes for genshin and hsr
besides flat stats
those except for speed can show up in head and hand pieces
Levelled everything but the crit damage, fml
Its still better but that was an awful low roll
Especially annoying since this was a resin'd piece
Oh well, guess Ill just farm that relic set for a bit, then farm some other stuff
just "okay enough" pieces
I got one really good one once actually
65.8/109
Itll do I think
Its a lot worse than what Seele has, but oh well
I think I should be fine until like
MoC 11 probably?
I think MoC 11 is gonna be the hard cutoff for me rn
Which is fine, its like less than 60 jades every 2 or so weeks
Also I really should build Ratio at some point
wait i may have fucking lied about only have 7 good relics
i forget how cracked my silver wolf actually is
Oh right I remember why I didnt build Ratio
Hunt lightcones are kinda rough
Your F2P options are scuffed if you want to build multiple Hunt characters
Hmm
What do the TCers say on Swordplay?
... oh wait
Is it because his FuA is random?
Wait no it isnt
Hm
ah swordplay isnt as good entirely bc only silence remains boost crit rate
ratio also has a fair bit of natural dmg in his kit
he prefers atk% and crit
yeah it would be better overall unless swordplay is s5 then it gets abit close
do u have topaz?
Nope
if u have topaz she uses swordplay well though she doesnt care for it a ton either
Lost the 50/50 on her ๐
hunt has awful light cones
Hm
not as bad as nihility for f2p at least
Tbh Nihility is actually fine as long as you got the event light cone
nihility has 2 and every single nihility character not named silver wolf or pela want them
gnsw and eyes of the prey are the 2 best for non-wolf non-pela in most cases
You have that + Resolution and then the DoT characters want DoT lightcones anyway
acheron has no light cone

if u dont pick up s1
and u dont have an s3+ gnsw
she will be doing paper damage
Yeah Acheron is the exception
Because shes basically a destruction character in nihility
Which means none of the existing lightcones really work on her
tbf blade was like that too on his release
not a fan of that tbh
it is making me 2nd guess pulling for acheron
cus it isnt like i need her
i have jingliu and qq
id only be pulling bc i love raiden
but she would be a character that rots in my account for a good while
whereas i could pull huohuo and further improve jingliu
or
pull aventurine
and suddenly my ratio topaz team becomes cracked
Its an odd choice for sure
Especially because she isnt very Nihility?
Like shes Nihility lore-wise obviously, but its not like that means she has to be nihility gameplay-wise
Jing Yuan is a Hunt Emanator but his character is erudition
he isnt a hunt emanator
someone else had mentioned that elsewhere and i went to look it up
and he is blessed by the hunt
but he isnt an emanator of it
i thought so too but nope
Huh
hes not an emanator of the hunt
Well we still have Black Swan
its why fu xuan can inherit the title of general
Who is confirmed to be an emanator of Recollection iirc
even though she was gazed upon by nous
welll
about that
lol
welt thinks that all the members of the garden
at least all the memokeepers
are emanators
but they arent confirmed yes/no
Herta
Herta is an emanator of Nous
Im not sure if all Genius Society members are, but shes confirmed to be
ah right actually forgor about herta
though we are playing a puppet herta
not herta herself
tbh
i would love a 5 star herta
with her emanator powers
but
i wont accept if she looks like her puppet
Im not sure its a meaningful difference
She shouldnt
She mentioned it looks similar to how she looked as a child, but shes way older than that
right but she did age backwards due to her own advancements
she aged normally got old and decided to age backwards due to a development she came up with
Oh yeah
Im still surrprised they went with the few paths they went with and still kinda blurred the lines
Like Fu Xuan is also a bit of a harmony unit as is Hu Tao
huohuo
fu xuan and huohuo have some harmony elements
fu xuan also was gazed upon by nous
by all means could have been someone that followed erudition or possibly even became a genius society member
Not quite?
The way she interacted with Nous and the Genius Society do is different
She basically got the third eye from Nous, but Genius Society members simply get an opportunity to ask Nous questions
yeah
but my point being was that fu xuan's path in lore vs gameplay feels super disconnected
she wants to be a general of the hunt
was gazed upon by the erudition
but she is preservation
and her gameplay has harmony elements
It kind of makes sense with her ideals tbh
Her whole thing is about how she wants to protect the Xianzhou moreso than hunt the abundance down
Its a very preservation mindset
hmmm i guess
i know some ppl will say "its because ix doesnt care"
Thats a very gameplay and lore diverge kinda deal
but that does feel like a total cop-out
Sampo is elation but ok, not a path we have
and yeah the gameplay
Pela is more preservation in her mindset though
100% doesnt fit the lore
Luka doesnt feel Nihility at all
guinaifen also elation
Welt I can see though
not by path but by lore
just how she acts
she would be a great masked fool
luka feels like they wanted a hunt character
Welt is the only one who feels Nihility-appropriate besides Acheron
Black Swan is recollection
kafka
cant think of another path for her
tbh
she does have a very "doesnt matter" type of attitude
silver wolf somewhat fits nihility
but only in the sense that she never cared exactly what group picked her up
she was clearly the most talented person in punklorde for a moment
says so herself
the galaxy rangers
the ipc
the nameless
whoever had gotten to her 1st to get her off punklorde she would have gone with
in her case it was the stellaron hunters and she just went along
also a somewhat passive type of nihility
though she doesnt fit it super super well
Yeah shes more elation really
Her mindset is just "I dont care as long as its fun"
But again, Elation isnt a path we have access to
Which I get why, but its also awkward because a good chunk of the cast is very elation
wish they had given themselves an avenue to add more paths too
genshin clearly had dendro in the backburner
they just had no dendro characters
dendro enemies appeared and such
hsr doesnt feel like it can add new paths without having it be weird for older characters
Focus on gimmicks over major theme
cus it affects past and future characters
like if they release an elation path for characters
sampo, sw, and guinfaifen are obvious additions to it but they wont retroactively add them to this path
sparkle as well
and any future elation characters
Ironically they have an edge over Genshin here since they have already done "reprints"
You can just make new Sampo/Sparkle/SW
For sure
Especially since that would be a lot of character slots used up
Sampo has the best shot since hes only a 4* so far and from what we know a popular character
i fully expect all the stellaron hunters to all get new versions at some point too
Hmm
Im not sure on all
Kafka almost certainly
Blade I think is a 50/50
The rest I think are unlikely tho tbh
itd be pretty free/easy money to make new versions of em
and its not super hard for them
sam can get mech upgrades
I mean I think its thematically difficult
IL was Dan Heng accepting his past with all that came with it
But SW is just kinda ... well she SW
There isnt really much thematically that can happen
silver wolf may be a bit tough but her aether editing technically means
she can kinda do anything
Blade just wants to die and I dont think thats gonna change
Sam ... is tough
Depends on what Sams little arc is gonna be
Gonna use rutilant on Archeron until I find better pieces of the new set
Kafka is the only one where I can easily see it
It's gonna be hard 
Because Kafkas motivation is that she wants to change
i can see a blade nihility version
Though I struggle to imagine what Kafkas reprint would be
similar for silver wolf i can easily see them do an erudition or hunt silver wolf
actually
harmony would probs be better for wolf?
kafka would probs be hunt
maybe destruction
Ironically I was thinking Preservation for Kafka
that is something i can see both silver wolf or sam do
sam for
penacony spoilers
||firefly's wishes to protect her way of life outside of being sam and wishing to stay alive/the same over time||
and for silver wolf, aether editing can kinda let her do whatever
though she feels like someone who is more aggressive
so maybe not entirely preservation
My reasoning is basically that Kafka rn lacks the ability to truly emotionally connect to people and care for them beyond a purely pragmatic "youre more useful to me alive" kinda deal
If she changes, if she can experience fear, its almost certainly fear of losing someone
And the desire to prevent that
Which is very preservation
hmm i can see that
SW I think is just too static a character to get a reprint
Its more likely they make outfits for her
we will see
I dont even remember what Elio offered SW tbh
i am still a bit upset we dont have that nice dress march used in game
i dont believe we know
for kafka im p sure it was a good time
for blade it was a way to die
for sam its a way to live
For Kafka it was fear
He promised to show her fear
I think?
Maybe Im misremembering
but idt we know what the trailblazer or silver wolf were offered to by elio
||Since shes a Devil Hunter||
I mean we also know nothing about TB during their time with the Stellaron Hunters
i dont think we actually know what elio offered kafka actually
Tbh Im not 100% on it
Also, I wonder when well see Elio
||Since his design was leaked he might show up at the end of Penacony?||
i feel like they should let elio cook for longer
I could see them introducing him but leaving things cryptic
Like Sampos monologue at the end of Belobog
Thats a very Trails thing to do
Maybe we even only get his voice
Btw what does Aventurine do kit-wise?
e makes a massive shield
Ive heard hes good but skipped on the details
ult is single target and inflicts a debuff
anyone hitting that enemy with that debuff does increased cdmg
enemies hitting his shields will tick up a counter
and once the counter hits 7
he does a fua
yeah though is damage is actually relevant
his basic attack scales off 100% of his def
and he boosts eff res rather than fu xuan's crit rate + eff res immunity 1x
he also gets a ton of raw crit rate from his talent
for every 100 def over 1600
he gets 2% crit rate
up to 48% iirc
Huh
and when a shielded character launches a fua
he gets blind bet as if the ally was hit
triggers max 3 times per aventurine turn
So basically really good but even better in a FuA team
yes
he works by himself
oh right his ult also has a hance to give him 1-7 points of blind bet
bc lol
Ill have to pick him up on his rerun then
if he does trigger a blind bet through his talent he grants a mini shield that does stack
and ascencion 4 is on battle start gives a shield equal to 100% of his own skill's shield strength for 3 turns
ah right and all his shields last 3 turns
he also has base 106 speed
which is quite notable
bc aventurine is actually built like a dps
Huh
Yeah Ill have to get him on a rerun
But I have to skip for now since I want Firefly
def%/speed/imaginary/def% is safe
though err can help but i think def% will be better overall i believe
he gets quite a bit of energy from his normals and his fua
... wait I just realised is he the Childe of Star Rail
||He even has the transformation in the trailer||
yeah lmao
the childe comparisons came early before ppl knew of that
but after that transformation in the trailer hes basically childe
yeah hm okay ill give it a shot to pull for acheron. im not inspired to pull for her lc
but if i get acheron, i grab her lc
if not im gonna get aventurine
thatd be the quota of 2 busted sustains
if i can ill pick up huohuo later
cus she is still really good with jingliu
but otherwise im gonna run aventurine topaz ratio ruan mei and that team will be really damn good
and aventurine is acheron's best support atm anyways
since he can run planetary + has a debuff on his own ult
Ill probably just pick up characters based on how fun they are now
I do need to get a second sustain some time for the DoT team
But the team does fine as is
that is tough since p much every character so far has been fun so far lol
only a few 4 stars have been kinda boring?
And I dont wanna risk Firefly for Aventurine
like
oh yeah for sure
go for sam
no matter how recommended it is to pick up a broken sustainer and such
it is better to pick up who u find fun
tho the reason i always recommend picking up a support/sustain is bc they will be universal more or less
a dps comes and goes
but a fu xuan will remain forever
Yeah Fu Xuan was a huge pickup
Genuinely insane character
Hm
I should build Lynx probably
Shes better than Natasha isnt she?
yup
by a lot
do u have any lynx eidolons?
lynx e4 is actually like baby huohuo without the energy gain
but she becomes a very real sustainer
E1 only
shes still better than nat
that is the one thing i will criticize star rail for
only launch 4 star that really is good is qq
everyone else has fallen off or been powercrept outright
Idk how Asta is nowadays
tingyun is amazing but the crazy thing is
that shes absolutely been powercrept by ruan mei
same with asta
asta has been blown out of the water by ruan mei
theres 0 reason to run asta if u have ruan mei
and given what we know of robin
i can see tingyun just not being necessary
xingqiu is also fucking insane
fischl
beidou
kaya
xiangling
lisa is busted too
noelle has only gotten stronger
what do u call reverse powercreep
where a newer 5 star unit(s) get worse than the older 4 star?
well not worse
but gets powercrept by the f2p option
right i feel like i knew there was a term
but idr it
but yeah poor itto
as much good as chiori did for itto, it also further buffed noelle
noelle chiori gorou furina is better than whatever itto cooks
and shes aoe
like it couldnt be more ittover than it is
not that he doesnt has respectable and good damage
I think its "powerdip"?
but noelle is just better
Or "Powerseep"
we see arlecchino coming out and her bis teammates so far?
beidou, xingqiu
bennett
Tbh I have no idea what Noelle does
noelle is a geo hypercarry
Isnt Chevreuse pretty good for Arle?
chev will be great for arle yea
noelle is a def converter like how hu tao is an hp converter
noelle takes her def and adds it to her atk to buff herself
e pops a shield that also grants noelle a period of time where she heals the whole team
and her burst gives her a huge range with geo infusion
she is c6 dependent
but thats just for her damage to skyrocket
noelle does amazing with crit rate and dmg % buff
Rare instance where a fan redesign really is just better tbh
wow that is so much better
Yanfeis outfit just doesnt fit her being a lawyer
It looks more like a jester
means she hasnt passed the bar yet
but yeah noelle basically got like
or has been getting
yun jin which buffs normal attacks which noelle appreciates since her normals have huge range
gorou of course
which buffs def just by existing
and then furina
which gives
dmg % and lets her run marechausse hunter which grants crit rate + buffs normal + charge attacks
buff after buff
and she fully heals the team
so she fully stacks fanfare
Wild
and her aoe is massive
the claymore spin to win attack has tech
if you menu while doing it, u dont have to hold it down and can keep spinning until ur out of stamina
or u an do normals for more controlled damage
but u rarely need it bc her shield is insane
also her ca will guarantee heals
her her teammate flexibility is also just great
she will usually want a 2nd geo for her hypercarry teams
@unkempt orchid btw
chiori to let her focus on better single target + aoe, gorou for raw dps, yun jin for xq/yelan/fischl driving
but then u can do furina + yelan/xq
furina fischl
furina xiangling
furina bennett
furina beidou
furina kaeya
furina rosaria
its basically furina + x
where x is whoever u want/need to shield break
itto struggles with that a lot
u say rare like every yanfei fandesign isnt instantly better
smh
he's (unfortunately) not too busted and I don't run tremor
so I can safely trade with R Corp Heathcliff now
will fit well in my tremor team tho
im interesting what other amplitude conversions there will be
also, raising the max level for identities to 45 when im not even done with having all of em at 40 is just cruel
true
I need to grind mirror dungeons for the last like hundred egoshards I need
so I can get R Corp and also uptie 4 him
btw this is a buff for ahabmael
THE BUFF LIES WITH YOU, ISHMAEL
how so
also, i see youre done with canto 5 then
mayhaps
now when I fight level 45 enemies in mirror dungeon she won't lose sanity if she gets killsteal'd
it's a small thing for me but it bugged me
i think youll find that theyll simply raise the level of the enemies aswell
@runic ether is there a way to ez clear gng
cause i just can't
with my jingliu team
play paths better
Railway time 
How significant are they
permanent 40% pyro damage in combat
her charge attack is big mobility (maybe?) we have to see how it looks
and her ca as well will just always full heal her unless something is up
bol consumption change also means her normals will for the most part always be pyro infused in your average rotation
but yeah
good changes overall
with a pyro goblet she is at 86.6% pyro damage bonus from the get go
if using bennett with her pyro goblet will be good if not or using furina an atk goblet pulls ahead fast
rotation for arle now heavily benefits going eq -> xq qn1e -> bennett qe -> kazuha hold e p q -> arle normal combos
this is most likely unfinished but also lmfao
scythe effect gets stronger without r1
she is not beating the grim reaper allegations
finally
thought I wouldn't be able to grind the BP in time
LOL
finally, I've achieved Heathcliff
ive never realized that we see another potential rabbit id in the background
what does that mean?
what are u getting ur ass kicked on? tortorus difficulty?
man I know better than to thirst on main for virtual men but Heathcliff is just very, very, attractive
as opposed to thirsting on main for virtual women?
no one's gonna judge you lol
(just don't be creepy)
or thislrdting on main for virtual thems
level 3
i think
idk
no heals
oh
not sure what silver wolf doing here but yeah
u are
ok
wolf isnt doing much here unless u have her at e2s1
might have some combat relevance since it travels a bit faster than mona dash
and its on ca
so can help chase some enemies
But I assume no cancels into anything?
should be able to cancel into dash or more normals
maybe e and q if they are generous
First Ten Roll: Adam
Second Ten Roll: Nada
Third Ten Roll: Blutgang dupe (Gold Moon, Nightshade Cage)
Fourth Ten Roll: G Hal Mal, Nyarlathotep dupe
Fifth Ten Roll: Nada
Sixth Ten Roll: Nada
Seventh Ten Roll: Fallen Sword dupe (Gold Moon, Nightshade Cage)
Eighth Ten Roll: Blue Sphere dupe (Gold Moon, Cyan Cage)
Ninth Ten Roll: Nada
Tenth Ten Roll: Nada
adam is actually halfway decent for a suptixable, while g hal mal speak for themselves
everything else is whatever
my 10 rolls
is that your second or your third scepter?
second
the idea is hrunting mh in a class like berserker (with ultimate mastery) or glorybringer (again with ultimate mastery) along with 3 landslide scepter and other good stuff for good burst in raids where you want to burst, or hrunting in yamato for harder v2 fights
weapon's just that good, but it is also a huge commitment
I'll have to look into it more when I plan on playing consistently again
or get my third scepter
plenty of stuff there whenver you get around to it
just note the opportunity cost of 150 gms
I have 400 I'll be fine
Poggers I'll take it
good lord
yatima's the obligatory fantastic burst summon whose name isn't beelzebub, and your second harmonia is just an instant slot in basically all light comps but the ones purely dedicated to ca
Only providence series I'm missing now is triple zero
it's fair because summoning servants the way they do is its own brand of bullshit that might get mc a sealing designation or some shit if it were ever known to the mage's association : ^)
Mages association: "...what the fuck do you mean you've summoned rulers, multiple grand servants, former beasts of humanity and CURRENT beasts of humanity????"
yeah the implications of summoning draco are just a little bit dire
no big deal
only sodom's beast, nothing to fear
Pretenders are also super SUS for mage's association
GIVE ME LIBERTY GIVE ME FIRE GIVE ME WORLD ENDER OR I RETIRE
At least I have you harps, you're always here for me
why do you need world enders?
the current plot in jp is in fact alaya being tired of our shit
which eternal do you want
||revans weapons aren't the same thing||
good ol' ordeal stall
Oh then which one of those do I get
with the disclaimer that all of them are pretty bad until you can awaken them
the ones i see most recommended are either schrodinger, fang of the dragonslayer, or forbidden agastia, for different reasons
can check that for more detailed suggestions
extinction blade is also listed as a good pick, but i probably would put it below the three i mentioend for not having an omega mod or other powerful option for non-primal while non-awakened (it's literally just mentioned as a stat stick)
i'll also note that both fang and agastia have downsides if you care about that (the former applies a 5% hp cut every turn that you'll need to outheal for longer content, while the latter has bloodshed, which applies a 20% hp cut at the start of the fight)
as for the two i haven't mentioned yet, sette di spade is a great weapon....when you have dupes
since you don't have copies of it already, getting just the one won't have too much impact
and symmetria is just lmao
garrison and tempering are good weapon skills
the problem is that they're both boosted by zeus, not lumi
extinction blade at least has shit taht'll work in omega
I thought Zeus was good
zeus is good
but you're not playing zeus
as with any of the other optimus summons, primal is an enormous investment
need two lu Woh
Damn
Man farming for CR/CD sucks
Im just trying to upgrade my planar relics at this point for clara
And it still sucks
I've been trying to get blade upgrades for months on the planar relics 
Like he looks good already but he can look better
And New units are in the way 
Hence I have to skip to actually get the units where I like them too
My Clara is just kinda eh, and I wanna get her up to snuff
Seele meanwhile is already doing mad damage
Y'know, I'll take it
oh cosmos pog
yeah cosmos redeems that set of pulls
Bubs dupe doesn't really do anything right now, I assume
Also I do need to grab the revans siete sword before I forget lol
Hm
My DoT team seems to be lagging behind a tad
Oh I didnt max them all out
Duh
I have 600 tears and prob farm all archeron mats anyway
Actually mostly done
Probably can chill for a while afterwards
kafka swan ruan mei sustain is meta
Yeah but I dont have Swan
kafka sampo ruan mei sustain then
its probs more damage
just bc of how broken ruan mei is
And I think without Swan you dont get the 3 DoTs as easily for the max boost from prisoner
Hmm
Ill try it some time
i think u might still be able to get there but yea should try and tune it
ill see if i can ask around
Actually
Hold on I think it might work
If her uolt and FuA shock are treated seperately
if you don't have him at 3* or higher yet then you can save a sunstone by using one of the dupes to uncap your original one
if you have him at 3 or 4* already, just save the dupe
they've done some fuckery regarding dupes with higher order optimus uncaps, there's nothing saying they won't for providence uncaps in the future
sette di spade is like the second to last one i'd recommend getting from the ticket, after symmetria
But beyond Super Saiyan wind grids seem to run like 5-6 copies of the siete sword, from what I've seen, no?
sure, there are grids that run a bunch of dupes of sette
that's the whole point, you run dupes of them
the ticket only yields one, unawakened at that
if you're still set on getting it, it won't brick your account or anything
but it won't provide as much immediate impact
both fang of the dragonslayer and forbidden agastia have omega mods on them (albeit with some notable drawbacks), schrodinger has ca supp, and even extinction blade has crit supp if you're running crit and don't have 2 crimson scale
in contrast to those four, both of sette's skills scale with how many swords are in grid
which is why you always see sette run with dupes where possible
since those ramp up
thus, the argument i'd make for sette is that it saves you a little grinding later down the road for your sette grids
which is non-unique, since you can make the same argument for any of the other options
Ah fuck the Ruan Mei team is really good
you attack him until he dies
try not to click skill too many times unless u can nuke him
He seems to have a lot of damage res?
until he pops his flames
Hmm
Also I can beat MoC 12, but I cant 3* it
Well maybe I can if I optimise teamcomps
And figure out Sam
But 60 jades aint worth it tbh
Hate how Ruan Mei is better than 3 DoT tho
% dmg increases go brrr
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In the beginning, one of the planets gave rise to humans. These people looked down, and named the land below "Izumo." These people looked up, and named the world above "Takamagahara."
One day uninscribed in the annals, the Y...
Acheron is ||absolutely killer... and DEFINITELY an Emanator of Nihility||
||Duke Inferno is barely even a footnote lmao||
this is a trailer detailing what happens when u hear someone say "i can fix her"
||It feels weird that an emanator who barely has control over her own powers would so effortlessly overwhelm one who clearly has been in the game for some time||
||i have a feeling anyone who becomes an emanator of nihility becomes infinitely stronger than any other emanator because nihility wouldnt care about how much of ix's power they use. ergo she can very likely tap into most of ix's power||
that said
||i do think its very likely that she doesnt use it actively. its just a subconscious thing||
||Im actually wondering if she really is nihility||
||she is. she was mentioned as such. though i can see that its a case where nihility and finality are way more closely related than we thought||
Maybe thats what it is
||But this sequence felt way more finality than nihility||
||Like I dont think Nihility would really be terrifying to observe, it would just render you inert. But Finality, the end of things, that feels way more terror-inspiring?||
||yeah with all that killing that happened once acheron got control of the dance. the birds she killed, the panther killing the gazelle, the bear killing the rabit and such||
||It felt more like it symbolised the hunter becoming the hunted||
||But Nihility shouldnt really be hunting?||
||well yes but thats my point. it didnt feel like a nihility case||
||Nihility might destroy whats in its path, but it wouldnt go out of its way, it doesnt care after all||
Hmm
||Maybe she is a double emanator||
||And perhaps thats why she is so odd||
thatd be wild
It would but checking it, I dont think there is anything that would contradict
nothing in her leaked voice lines or lore stories would imply that
but
||it also very likely could be that ix and terminus are one and the same since terminus is said to move forwards and backwards in time there must have been an origin point for terminus and that point was likely nihility||
||and since acheron is an emanator currently active in an era where ix and terminus both exist she might be drawing 2x power||
Huh
That could be it
... oh very wild guess
||What if Finality is Nihility after it absorbed Destruction?||
||Since we know sometimes Aeons can subsume other Aeons||
ohhh
the thing to see will be
||if terminus has its own emanators or assigns them||
||Plus that would possibly also explain Elios whole deal, maybe he wants to avoid a future where that can happen, so we are the wild card in his plan||
||if its also a case where terminus doesnt care for that since everything will be reaching its end, then itd make more sense in my eyes that terminus is just the future version of ix traveling forward and backward||
||very true and likely the reason it happens is that elio's prediction has us clashing with nanook. in a potential original timeline, we win but nanook is consumed by ix and they become the finality. elio is looking to instead have us win more decisively or absorb the destruction with another path instead to prevent ix turning into terminus||
||and then in that same vein, terminus wants to guarantee the end and thus moves backwards in time to ensure the true finality of all things||
Hold up
Read the description
The description has some wild implications
||We are 100% dealing with something related to Terminus here||
||The fact that the planets, their past and future all got erased at once just screams Finality to me||
||And Acherons sword might be an edict edge, and we see a shot of her in what looks to be a japanese-inspired world in the visions||
||She can erase my past and future
||
Is it?
Also with acheron we can finally overworld in a fast way
I will have unlimited stuff
Didnt see that yet so I cant say
But it definitely reads to me like ||Acheron might indeed be Finality||
||She is probably from those worlds, and her ascendance destroyed those worlds||
||In fact, Im wondering if maybe she isnt just an emanator of Finality, but in fact is the Finality?||
i was going to get there lol

||we know she had contact with ix due to the travels she had with frebass||
Ye LAN used to be kinda normal dude aswell right
||but what if she was already finality/terminus before that meeting?||
All Aeons were someone or something before they became Aeons
Nanook was a survivor of the swarm disaster
Akivili just some guy who liked travelling and messing with things
||Could be. Plus it'd line up with the cycle thing||
"Frebass, are you still going to the depths of IX?" The question comes from her companion who is always carrying a long blade. She is a good companion, but no one knows where she comes from.
The little Nameless hides inside her bulky diving suit. A long pause later, she hands the companion a slightly burnt marshmallow, her eyes narrowed like the silhouette of a fully opened sail:
"Of course โ because I will walk on a road deeper and further than Akivili's!"
||... wait if she is the Finality, and the Finality is the only thing that experiences every loop, is that maybe why she has the weird comments where its random, and the knowledge that you could've answered differently?||
so frebass' companion was acheron
acheron's comment on being reminded of someone when we first meet her
she is remembering frebass
no one knows where she came from
yeah she is from there given that we only ever hear about this place from her
Therefore, the little Nameless remembers the smile she gave from the bottom of her heart when the girl with the sword took the marshmallows for the final time.
"I never thought I would meet anyone similar to me. You've walked so much further on this road than me.
Therefore, you will surely walk with me till then end, right?"
"Of course. Our end has already been determined... However, just like you said โ
Even though I may turn into a shallow puddle of dead water in the end, there is still a lot I can do on my journey toward that moment. Therefore, no matter what, I have to go try itโ
โ Because I will walk on a road deeper and further than Akivili's!"
interestingly enough, acheron went with frebass into ix
this doesnt negate any other theory too
||ix could turn into terminus whose origin is acheron||
||given that she went into a black hole with a distorted sense of time/space, she walked out an emanator/aeon||
Mmh
||Yeah I am fairly certain were onto something, theres also the "great pitch-black sun" part||
The vast void looms near the end of the vivid memories, yet she suddenly sees a dash of crimson blinking briefly into existence in the center of the pitch-black world.
||Which is 100% a black hole. And the one we see in her ult is not IX||
this was right before acheron caught up to frebass
acheron was able to cleave her way into ix
to reach frebass
and on frebass
i dont believe frebass is dead
its very likely frebass ||is/was an aeon||
i keep thinking
could frebass ||have been a possible emanator of the trailblaze?||
||its not super relevant if she is or not but its possible as well that frebass was a form of akivili after the disappearance||
without knowing the timeline of takama
and when the pioneer diver of dead waters set takes place in
its hard to get a good idea
she had heard stories about akivili
akivili is definitely one of the oldest aeons
so that means little
and again its interesting that acheron followed frebass into ix
but she was stated to have appeared by cutting into the center of the black hole
from what we can assume
||this was the moment that acheron was the emanator powers from ix||
||but its very likely that she was the finality to begin with and the only reason she was able to claim these powers was because ix will become terminus as a result of this encounter in the center of ix||
||Im not sure, the crimson flash seems to be her sword, which I beleive was already crimson at that point||
But we also really dont have much to go on
||yeah it was. the crimson flash is acheron but there is a lot we dont know of this story too because acheron did follow her all the way up until it came to diving into ix||
but from what we know of the pioneer set
only frebass went in
it was only after she had experienced death 14 days and 14 nights
as she finally approached the center of ix
did acheron go to her
if theres anything to say about this its probably because frebass was this universe's kiana
it is also why i dont think frebass is dead
can definitely see it being a case where
acheron ||became/becomes the finality and taps into as the emanator of ix||
and frebass ||possibly becomes one of the aeons maybe xipe or maybe even yaoshi?||
Hmm
Im not sure shes an Aeon we already know
||I would in fact wager she might be an Aeon no one yet knows of||
||could be an upcoming aeon yeah i can see that||
||If Acheron is Finality its an inverse from Honkai where she is the Herrscher of Origin and Kiana is the Herrscher of Finality||
||So perhaps shes the Aeon of Origin?||
||the one thing that we will see about acheron being an actual aeon, is how much she follows through on the whole case about aeons where they must adhere to their path regardless of anything||
if she is truly ||the aeon of finality, so far all her actions have been pretty on-point for her path||
||she has more or less killed p much everyone she has encountered so far||
||in our dream sequence with her, she strikes us down waking us up. in this latest short, she kills multiple aspects of black swan, she killed duke inferno||
in the trailer for 2.1, ||she is about to show aventurine what a real emanator/aeon actually is like||
Also damn this almost makes me want to pull for her
But shes such an awkward unit to pull for if youre f2p
You need her lightcone basically, her teamcomps are all gonna be really weird
if i get her early im going for her lc
if i dont get her early
with this treasure i summon ๐ณ
Like whats her basic teamcomp
on her immediate launch
it will be fu xuan with trends of the universal market
pela
Im assuming Pela/SW/maybe Luka for her passive + debuffs
Trends for the DoT to count as a debuff?
trends fu xuan/pela or wolf/ruan mei/acheron
and yep
trends to do dot which is a debuff
Wild
the alternative to fu xuan on trends is gallagher
who tbh is a fantastic support for her if u do get e1
Im almost wondering if shes gonna make Welt good
I guess it depends on if his skill counts as one debuff or 3
1
its per time a debuff is applied
so pela ult only applies 1
even if it debuffs an entire group of enemies
welt debuff even if it hits 3 enemies only ticks up once
and wolf has the added benefit of having a chance to apply lightning weakness
so the comp is pela/wolf
u can do swan/kafka
but acheron doesnt care and doesnt do dot
Ye I wondered with Welt since its 3 hits
Like sequentially
Rather than at once
Also man Welt feels like he should be a good DPS unit
I wonder whats making him not perform
its kind of weird
he should be way better
but theres just no real slots he fits into
like
pela has better debuffs
wolf has better debuffs
sure then u dont need to run wolf or pela in every comp
(wolf kinda can)
he doesnt bring dots
so kafka and swan dont care
he just has an awkward spot
Yeah a lot of his stuff is more in his damage than debuffs
But he doesnt seem to keep up damage-wise either?
And Im not sure why because its not like his multipliers are bad
I feel like he might be okay in ratio comps but even so pela is right there and her debuffs are crazy
yeah
u would rather do pela or wolf
i think they put way too much stock into what the imaginary break would be like
Hmm
I guess the fact that he basically needs there to be only exactly one enemy hurts him
Since MoCs nowadays always end with duo bosses
I think its partially that, and partially that the way the relevant content is set up, speeding up is just way better than slowing down
Since speeding up effectively gives you more turns in the timelimit
He sucks in PF for obvious reasons but he also isnt great in MoC
... yeah that actually makes sense
I think thats it, so unless we get another gamemode that helps him, hes kinda screwed
Which is a shame, I think he has cool aesthetics
Oh funny enough
He was actually decent in those
Because he enabled the Imaginary set which is really good
... then we got Diver
damn welt truly got cooked by a relic set

