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glossy latch
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I have a decent piece already, its just on Herta lmao

runic ether
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oh pure fiction

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lmao

glossy latch
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My main issue is that Im running out of upgrade materials

runic ether
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tell me about it

glossy latch
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Or rather, have ran out

runic ether
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i have

glossy latch
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Those are a pain to farm

runic ether
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23 purples

glossy latch
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But Ive got a few pieces I can try

runic ether
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5 blues

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and 23 greens

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*21 greens

glossy latch
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I hardly ever get CR/CD rolls on pieces nowadays tho

runic ether
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and frankly like 7 good relics to show for it

glossy latch
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Time to try Stage 8 and see if I can clear it easily now

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Also man Fu Xuan feels immortal

runic ether
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she is (usually)

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i have had various swarm disaster tortorus difficulty runs hinge on the fact that fx doesnt die

glossy latch
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Very silly character

runic ether
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ran into a mutated ape once

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and qq died to it

glossy latch
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Ok yeah this feels good, Seele does bonkers damage

runic ether
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it was no problem though

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fu xuan soloed from there

glossy latch
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Ok yeah mono-quantum feels insanely good now

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And I basically havent built my SW yet

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(I keep forgetting)

digital marlin
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Same

glossy latch
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Seele just kinda shreds

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Wait huh

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Apparently Boxing is actually Claras best set?

runic ether
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if ur looking at prydwen they have been smoking fat ones recently

old galleon
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i remember boxing being a thing at launch

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nowadays? ymmv

glossy latch
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My only guess is its because of her skill

runic ether
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boxing isnt bad on clara but it is inconsistent

glossy latch
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Since Clara does a good chunk of damage in her skill

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Hmm

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Oh I can just run 2/2

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I keep forgetting thats an option

runic ether
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1 sec i asked some tcers lol

glossy latch
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Im going 2/2 for now anyway since the substats are slightly better

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But Ill replace the two Ash Duke pieces anyway since theyre not ideal

runic ether
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actually

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okay

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so

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tc brings up boxing set atm

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4pc boxer is her bis

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but 2pc/2pc is not bad

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that being 2pc ash duke 2pc prisoner

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or an atk% set

glossy latch
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Not 2 piece Boxer + Duke?

runic ether
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if u really care about improving clara, boxing is her bis in most scenarios

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u can do boxer duke but its not as amazing as duke prisoner

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since atk% is nice

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and of course

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salsotto is her best planar ornament set

glossy latch
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That I figured, Im already using it

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Ok back to 4 piece boxer

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Had one slightly better piece for the headgear

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But I guess Ill nee to farm Boxer

runic ether
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huh tho the graphs prydwen is posting arent great

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they are putting boxing at 100%

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which cant assume as her default set

glossy latch
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Ok hold on, I got a crit rate one with crit damage substat (I assume you cant get a substat thats already a main stat right?)

runic ether
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u cannot

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this goes for genshin and hsr

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besides flat stats

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those except for speed can show up in head and hand pieces

glossy latch
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Levelled everything but the crit damage, fml

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Its still better but that was an awful low roll

glossy latch
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Especially annoying since this was a resin'd piece

runic ether
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self modeling resin is a lie

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ive never seen a good piece out of it

glossy latch
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Oh well, guess Ill just farm that relic set for a bit, then farm some other stuff

runic ether
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just "okay enough" pieces

glossy latch
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I got one really good one once actually

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65.8/109

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Itll do I think

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Its a lot worse than what Seele has, but oh well

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I think I should be fine until like

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MoC 11 probably?

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I think MoC 11 is gonna be the hard cutoff for me rn

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Which is fine, its like less than 60 jades every 2 or so weeks

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Also I really should build Ratio at some point

runic ether
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wait i may have fucking lied about only have 7 good relics

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i forget how cracked my silver wolf actually is

glossy latch
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Oh right I remember why I didnt build Ratio

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Hunt lightcones are kinda rough

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Your F2P options are scuffed if you want to build multiple Hunt characters

runic ether
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yup

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lol

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at least his bis set is pretty much unanimously pioneer

glossy latch
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Best I have is S2 Only Silence Remains

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Wait

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Is Swordplay any good on Ratio?

runic ether
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probably not

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only silence remains is really good on him at s5

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pre s5 its okayge

glossy latch
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Hmm

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What do the TCers say on Swordplay?

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... oh wait

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Is it because his FuA is random?

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Wait no it isnt

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Hm

runic ether
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ah swordplay isnt as good entirely bc only silence remains boost crit rate

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ratio also has a fair bit of natural dmg in his kit

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he prefers atk% and crit

glossy latch
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Ah

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I guess if I build him its Only Silence Remains then

runic ether
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yeah it would be better overall unless swordplay is s5 then it gets abit close

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do u have topaz?

glossy latch
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Nope

runic ether
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if u have topaz she uses swordplay well though she doesnt care for it a ton either

glossy latch
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Lost the 50/50 on her ๐Ÿ˜”

runic ether
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hunt has awful light cones

glossy latch
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Hm

runic ether
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not as bad as nihility for f2p at least

glossy latch
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Tbh Nihility is actually fine as long as you got the event light cone

runic ether
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nihility has 2 and every single nihility character not named silver wolf or pela want them

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gnsw and eyes of the prey are the 2 best for non-wolf non-pela in most cases

glossy latch
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You have that + Resolution and then the DoT characters want DoT lightcones anyway

runic ether
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acheron has no light cone

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if u dont pick up s1

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and u dont have an s3+ gnsw

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she will be doing paper damage

glossy latch
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Yeah Acheron is the exception

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Because shes basically a destruction character in nihility

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Which means none of the existing lightcones really work on her

runic ether
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tbf blade was like that too on his release

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not a fan of that tbh

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it is making me 2nd guess pulling for acheron

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cus it isnt like i need her

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i have jingliu and qq

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id only be pulling bc i love raiden

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but she would be a character that rots in my account for a good while

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whereas i could pull huohuo and further improve jingliu

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or

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pull aventurine

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and suddenly my ratio topaz team becomes cracked

glossy latch
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Its an odd choice for sure

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Especially because she isnt very Nihility?

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Like shes Nihility lore-wise obviously, but its not like that means she has to be nihility gameplay-wise

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Jing Yuan is a Hunt Emanator but his character is erudition

runic ether
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he isnt a hunt emanator

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someone else had mentioned that elsewhere and i went to look it up

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and he is blessed by the hunt

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but he isnt an emanator of it

glossy latch
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Really?

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I assumed every general is a hunt emanator by default

runic ether
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i thought so too but nope

glossy latch
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Huh

runic ether
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hes not an emanator of the hunt

glossy latch
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Well we still have Black Swan

runic ether
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its why fu xuan can inherit the title of general

glossy latch
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Who is confirmed to be an emanator of Recollection iirc

runic ether
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even though she was gazed upon by nous

runic ether
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about that

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lol

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welt thinks that all the members of the garden

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at least all the memokeepers

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are emanators

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but they arent confirmed yes/no

glossy latch
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Huh

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Weird

runic ether
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so far our only playable emanator

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will be acheron

glossy latch
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Herta

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Herta is an emanator of Nous

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Im not sure if all Genius Society members are, but shes confirmed to be

runic ether
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ah right actually forgor about herta

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though we are playing a puppet herta

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not herta herself

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tbh

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i would love a 5 star herta

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with her emanator powers

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but

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i wont accept if she looks like her puppet

glossy latch
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Im not sure its a meaningful difference

glossy latch
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She mentioned it looks similar to how she looked as a child, but shes way older than that

runic ether
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right but she did age backwards due to her own advancements

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she aged normally got old and decided to age backwards due to a development she came up with

glossy latch
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Oh yeah

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Im still surrprised they went with the few paths they went with and still kinda blurred the lines

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Like Fu Xuan is also a bit of a harmony unit as is Hu Tao

runic ether
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huohuo

glossy latch
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Right

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Wrong game

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Huohuo

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Acheron is Destruction in Nihility

runic ether
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fu xuan and huohuo have some harmony elements

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fu xuan also was gazed upon by nous

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by all means could have been someone that followed erudition or possibly even became a genius society member

glossy latch
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Not quite?

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The way she interacted with Nous and the Genius Society do is different

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She basically got the third eye from Nous, but Genius Society members simply get an opportunity to ask Nous questions

runic ether
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yeah

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but my point being was that fu xuan's path in lore vs gameplay feels super disconnected

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she wants to be a general of the hunt

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was gazed upon by the erudition

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but she is preservation

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and her gameplay has harmony elements

glossy latch
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It kind of makes sense with her ideals tbh

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Her whole thing is about how she wants to protect the Xianzhou moreso than hunt the abundance down

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Its a very preservation mindset

runic ether
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hmmm i guess

glossy latch
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Like that one I can guess

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What I struggle with is half of the nihility characters

runic ether
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i know some ppl will say "its because ix doesnt care"

glossy latch
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Thats a very gameplay and lore diverge kinda deal

runic ether
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but that does feel like a total cop-out

glossy latch
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Sampo is elation but ok, not a path we have

runic ether
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and yeah the gameplay

glossy latch
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Pela is more preservation in her mindset though

runic ether
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100% doesnt fit the lore

glossy latch
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Luka doesnt feel Nihility at all

runic ether
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guinaifen also elation

glossy latch
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Welt I can see though

runic ether
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not by path but by lore

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just how she acts

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she would be a great masked fool

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luka feels like they wanted a hunt character

glossy latch
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Welt is the only one who feels Nihility-appropriate besides Acheron

runic ether
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but physical hunt 4 star?

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already exists

glossy latch
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Black Swan is recollection

runic ether
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kafka

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cant think of another path for her

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tbh

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she does have a very "doesnt matter" type of attitude

glossy latch
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I forgor Kafka

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Yeah no shes Nihility

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Specifically passive Nihility

runic ether
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silver wolf somewhat fits nihility

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but only in the sense that she never cared exactly what group picked her up

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she was clearly the most talented person in punklorde for a moment

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says so herself

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the galaxy rangers

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the ipc

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the nameless

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whoever had gotten to her 1st to get her off punklorde she would have gone with

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in her case it was the stellaron hunters and she just went along

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also a somewhat passive type of nihility

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though she doesnt fit it super super well

glossy latch
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Yeah shes more elation really

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Her mindset is just "I dont care as long as its fun"

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But again, Elation isnt a path we have access to

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Which I get why, but its also awkward because a good chunk of the cast is very elation

runic ether
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wish they had given themselves an avenue to add more paths too

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genshin clearly had dendro in the backburner

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they just had no dendro characters

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dendro enemies appeared and such

glossy latch
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Tbh with how paths are already blurring

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They kinda have that avenue?

runic ether
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hsr doesnt feel like it can add new paths without having it be weird for older characters

glossy latch
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Focus on gimmicks over major theme

runic ether
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cus it affects past and future characters

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like if they release an elation path for characters

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sampo, sw, and guinfaifen are obvious additions to it but they wont retroactively add them to this path

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sparkle as well

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and any future elation characters

glossy latch
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Ironically they have an edge over Genshin here since they have already done "reprints"

runic ether
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if the focus on it is like sim universe?

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follow ups

glossy latch
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You can just make new Sampo/Sparkle/SW

runic ether
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oh yea they can do so but

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it is still awkward with older characters

glossy latch
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For sure

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Especially since that would be a lot of character slots used up

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Sampo has the best shot since hes only a 4* so far and from what we know a popular character

runic ether
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i fully expect all the stellaron hunters to all get new versions at some point too

glossy latch
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Hmm

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Im not sure on all

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Kafka almost certainly

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Blade I think is a 50/50

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The rest I think are unlikely tho tbh

runic ether
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itd be pretty free/easy money to make new versions of em

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and its not super hard for them

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sam can get mech upgrades

glossy latch
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I mean I think its thematically difficult

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IL was Dan Heng accepting his past with all that came with it

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But SW is just kinda ... well she SW

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There isnt really much thematically that can happen

runic ether
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silver wolf may be a bit tough but her aether editing technically means

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she can kinda do anything

glossy latch
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Blade just wants to die and I dont think thats gonna change

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Sam ... is tough

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Depends on what Sams little arc is gonna be

runic ether
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it will depend on how they go through

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yeah

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lol

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penacony arc

versed pawn
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Gonna use rutilant on Archeron until I find better pieces of the new set

glossy latch
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Kafka is the only one where I can easily see it

versed pawn
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It's gonna be hard cheems

glossy latch
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Because Kafkas motivation is that she wants to change

runic ether
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i can see a blade nihility version

glossy latch
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Though I struggle to imagine what Kafkas reprint would be

runic ether
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similar for silver wolf i can easily see them do an erudition or hunt silver wolf

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actually

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harmony would probs be better for wolf?

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kafka would probs be hunt

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maybe destruction

glossy latch
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Ironically I was thinking Preservation for Kafka

runic ether
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that is something i can see both silver wolf or sam do

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sam for

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penacony spoilers

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||firefly's wishes to protect her way of life outside of being sam and wishing to stay alive/the same over time||

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and for silver wolf, aether editing can kinda let her do whatever

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though she feels like someone who is more aggressive

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so maybe not entirely preservation

glossy latch
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My reasoning is basically that Kafka rn lacks the ability to truly emotionally connect to people and care for them beyond a purely pragmatic "youre more useful to me alive" kinda deal

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If she changes, if she can experience fear, its almost certainly fear of losing someone

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And the desire to prevent that

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Which is very preservation

runic ether
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hmm i can see that

glossy latch
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SW I think is just too static a character to get a reprint

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Its more likely they make outfits for her

runic ether
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we will see

glossy latch
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I dont even remember what Elio offered SW tbh

runic ether
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i am still a bit upset we dont have that nice dress march used in game

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i dont believe we know

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for kafka im p sure it was a good time

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for blade it was a way to die

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for sam its a way to live

glossy latch
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For Kafka it was fear

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He promised to show her fear

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I think?

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Maybe Im misremembering

runic ether
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but idt we know what the trailblazer or silver wolf were offered to by elio

glossy latch
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||Since shes a Devil Hunter||

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I mean we also know nothing about TB during their time with the Stellaron Hunters

runic ether
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i dont think we actually know what elio offered kafka actually

glossy latch
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Tbh Im not 100% on it

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Also, I wonder when well see Elio

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||Since his design was leaked he might show up at the end of Penacony?||

runic ether
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i feel like they should let elio cook for longer

glossy latch
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I could see them introducing him but leaving things cryptic

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Like Sampos monologue at the end of Belobog

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Thats a very Trails thing to do

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Maybe we even only get his voice

runic ether
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voice would be fine

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i think letting elio's design cook longer does feel important

glossy latch
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Btw what does Aventurine do kit-wise?

runic ether
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e makes a massive shield

glossy latch
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Ive heard hes good but skipped on the details

runic ether
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ult is single target and inflicts a debuff

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anyone hitting that enemy with that debuff does increased cdmg

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enemies hitting his shields will tick up a counter

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and once the counter hits 7

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he does a fua

glossy latch
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Huh

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So kinda Fu Xuan esque?

runic ether
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yeah though is damage is actually relevant

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his basic attack scales off 100% of his def

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and he boosts eff res rather than fu xuan's crit rate + eff res immunity 1x

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he also gets a ton of raw crit rate from his talent

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for every 100 def over 1600

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he gets 2% crit rate

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up to 48% iirc

glossy latch
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Huh

runic ether
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and when a shielded character launches a fua

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he gets blind bet as if the ally was hit

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triggers max 3 times per aventurine turn

glossy latch
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So basically really good but even better in a FuA team

runic ether
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yes

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he works by himself

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oh right his ult also has a hance to give him 1-7 points of blind bet

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bc lol

glossy latch
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Ill have to pick him up on his rerun then

runic ether
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if he does trigger a blind bet through his talent he grants a mini shield that does stack

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and ascencion 4 is on battle start gives a shield equal to 100% of his own skill's shield strength for 3 turns

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ah right and all his shields last 3 turns

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he also has base 106 speed

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which is quite notable

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bc aventurine is actually built like a dps

glossy latch
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Huh

runic ether
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focusing a ton of def%

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ofc

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but u want speed

glossy latch
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Yeah Ill have to get him on a rerun

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But I have to skip for now since I want Firefly

runic ether
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def%/speed/imaginary/def% is safe

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though err can help but i think def% will be better overall i believe

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he gets quite a bit of energy from his normals and his fua

glossy latch
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... wait I just realised is he the Childe of Star Rail

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||He even has the transformation in the trailer||

runic ether
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yeah lmao

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the childe comparisons came early before ppl knew of that

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but after that transformation in the trailer hes basically childe

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yeah hm okay ill give it a shot to pull for acheron. im not inspired to pull for her lc

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but if i get acheron, i grab her lc

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if not im gonna get aventurine

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thatd be the quota of 2 busted sustains

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if i can ill pick up huohuo later

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cus she is still really good with jingliu

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but otherwise im gonna run aventurine topaz ratio ruan mei and that team will be really damn good

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and aventurine is acheron's best support atm anyways

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since he can run planetary + has a debuff on his own ult

glossy latch
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Ill probably just pick up characters based on how fun they are now

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I do need to get a second sustain some time for the DoT team

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But the team does fine as is

runic ether
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that is tough since p much every character so far has been fun so far lol

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only a few 4 stars have been kinda boring?

glossy latch
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And I dont wanna risk Firefly for Aventurine

runic ether
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like

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oh yeah for sure

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go for sam

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no matter how recommended it is to pick up a broken sustainer and such

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it is better to pick up who u find fun

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tho the reason i always recommend picking up a support/sustain is bc they will be universal more or less

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a dps comes and goes

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but a fu xuan will remain forever

glossy latch
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Yeah Fu Xuan was a huge pickup

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Genuinely insane character

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Hm

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I should build Lynx probably

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Shes better than Natasha isnt she?

runic ether
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yup

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by a lot

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do u have any lynx eidolons?

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lynx e4 is actually like baby huohuo without the energy gain

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but she becomes a very real sustainer

glossy latch
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E1 only

runic ether
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shes still better than nat

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that is the one thing i will criticize star rail for

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only launch 4 star that really is good is qq

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everyone else has fallen off or been powercrept outright

glossy latch
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Tingyun?

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Also Pela

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Sampo in DoT and Herta in PF

runic ether
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pela for sure

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herta did get better

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i forgor about her

glossy latch
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Idk how Asta is nowadays

runic ether
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tingyun is amazing but the crazy thing is

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that shes absolutely been powercrept by ruan mei

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same with asta

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asta has been blown out of the water by ruan mei

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theres 0 reason to run asta if u have ruan mei

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and given what we know of robin

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i can see tingyun just not being necessary

glossy latch
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I mean yeah

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Theyre not repeating the Pyro Archon mistake nyaruhodo

runic ether
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xingqiu is also fucking insane

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fischl

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beidou

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kaya

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xiangling

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lisa is busted too

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noelle has only gotten stronger

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what do u call reverse powercreep

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where a newer 5 star unit(s) get worse than the older 4 star?

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well not worse

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but gets powercrept by the f2p option

glossy latch
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... theres a term for that

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For reverse powercreep

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I cant recall what it is

runic ether
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right i feel like i knew there was a term

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but idr it

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but yeah poor itto

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as much good as chiori did for itto, it also further buffed noelle

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noelle chiori gorou furina is better than whatever itto cooks

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and shes aoe

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like it couldnt be more ittover than it is

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not that he doesnt has respectable and good damage

glossy latch
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I think its "powerdip"?

runic ether
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but noelle is just better

glossy latch
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Or "Powerseep"

runic ether
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we see arlecchino coming out and her bis teammates so far?

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beidou, xingqiu

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bennett

glossy latch
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Tbh I have no idea what Noelle does

runic ether
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noelle is a geo hypercarry

glossy latch
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Isnt Chevreuse pretty good for Arle?

runic ether
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chev will be great for arle yea

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noelle is a def converter like how hu tao is an hp converter

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noelle takes her def and adds it to her atk to buff herself

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e pops a shield that also grants noelle a period of time where she heals the whole team

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and her burst gives her a huge range with geo infusion

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she is c6 dependent

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but thats just for her damage to skyrocket

runic ether
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noelle does amazing with crit rate and dmg % buff

glossy latch
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Rare instance where a fan redesign really is just better tbh

runic ether
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wow that is so much better

glossy latch
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Yanfeis outfit just doesnt fit her being a lawyer

runic ether
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it is a cute outfit

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but it doesnt scream lawyer

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though she is a legal advisor

glossy latch
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It looks more like a jester

runic ether
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means she hasnt passed the bar yet

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but yeah noelle basically got like

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or has been getting

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yun jin which buffs normal attacks which noelle appreciates since her normals have huge range

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gorou of course

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which buffs def just by existing

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and then furina

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which gives

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dmg % and lets her run marechausse hunter which grants crit rate + buffs normal + charge attacks

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buff after buff

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and she fully heals the team

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so she fully stacks fanfare

glossy latch
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Wild

runic ether
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and her aoe is massive

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the claymore spin to win attack has tech

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if you menu while doing it, u dont have to hold it down and can keep spinning until ur out of stamina

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or u an do normals for more controlled damage

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but u rarely need it bc her shield is insane

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also her ca will guarantee heals

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her her teammate flexibility is also just great

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she will usually want a 2nd geo for her hypercarry teams

runic ether
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chiori to let her focus on better single target + aoe, gorou for raw dps, yun jin for xq/yelan/fischl driving

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but then u can do furina + yelan/xq

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furina fischl

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furina xiangling

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furina bennett

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furina beidou

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furina kaeya

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furina rosaria

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its basically furina + x

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where x is whoever u want/need to shield break

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itto struggles with that a lot

unkempt orchid
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smh

honest pawn
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he's (unfortunately) not too busted and I don't run tremor

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so I can safely trade with R Corp Heathcliff now

slow raft
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will fit well in my tremor team tho

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im interesting what other amplitude conversions there will be

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also, raising the max level for identities to 45 when im not even done with having all of em at 40 is just cruel

honest pawn
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true

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I need to grind mirror dungeons for the last like hundred egoshards I need

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so I can get R Corp and also uptie 4 him

honest pawn
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THE BUFF LIES WITH YOU, ISHMAEL

slow raft
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also, i see youre done with canto 5 then

honest pawn
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mayhaps

honest pawn
# slow raft how so

now when I fight level 45 enemies in mirror dungeon she won't lose sanity if she gets killsteal'd

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it's a small thing for me but it bugged me

slow raft
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i think youll find that theyll simply raise the level of the enemies aswell

honest pawn
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NO

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YOU'RE LYING

long tree
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Ty for old man standard banner

dull bridge
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@runic ether is there a way to ez clear gng

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cause i just can't

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with my jingliu team

runic ether
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play paths better

slow raft
runic ether
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arle buffs

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unlisted change: bond of life consumed every .03s through her normals

long tree
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How significant are they

runic ether
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permanent 40% pyro damage in combat

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her charge attack is big mobility (maybe?) we have to see how it looks

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and her ca as well will just always full heal her unless something is up

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bol consumption change also means her normals will for the most part always be pyro infused in your average rotation

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but yeah

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good changes overall

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with a pyro goblet she is at 86.6% pyro damage bonus from the get go

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if using bennett with her pyro goblet will be good if not or using furina an atk goblet pulls ahead fast

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rotation for arle now heavily benefits going eq -> xq qn1e -> bennett qe -> kazuha hold e p q -> arle normal combos

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this is most likely unfinished but also lmfao

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scythe effect gets stronger without r1

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she is not beating the grim reaper allegations

honest pawn
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finally

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thought I wouldn't be able to grind the BP in time

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LOL

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finally, I've achieved Heathcliff

slow raft
honest pawn
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oh yeah

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sinclair rabbit

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sinclair rabbit

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

dull bridge
runic ether
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what are u getting ur ass kicked on? tortorus difficulty?

honest pawn
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man I know better than to thirst on main for virtual men but Heathcliff is just very, very, attractive

old galleon
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as opposed to thirsting on main for virtual women?

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no one's gonna judge you lol

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(just don't be creepy)

honest pawn
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or thislrdting on main for virtual thems

dull bridge
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i think

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idk

runic ether
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how

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thats easy

dull bridge
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im running gepard sw pela jingliu

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wirj destruction

runic ether
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no heals

dull bridge
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oh

runic ether
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on jingliu and the path that wants u to keep killing yourself asap

dull bridge
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ok

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so

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lynx than pela sw jingliu

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or double sustain 1 defvuff/ buff 1 dps

runic ether
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not sure what silver wolf doing here but yeah

dull bridge
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i tjougjt thst was the team you told me to use

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i may be going crazy tho

runic ether
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u are

dull bridge
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ok

runic ether
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wolf isnt doing much here unless u have her at e2s1

dull bridge
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nvm than

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what should i use than

runic ether
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tingyun, bronya, asta, hanya, ruan mei

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any of those

dull bridge
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hm

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bronya

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cause ting yukรณn is for my clara amalgamation

glossy latch
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Does this have any combat relevance

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Or is this purely exploration

runic ether
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might have some combat relevance since it travels a bit faster than mona dash

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and its on ca

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so can help chase some enemies

glossy latch
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But I assume no cancels into anything?

runic ether
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should be able to cancel into dash or more normals

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maybe e and q if they are generous

old galleon
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First Ten Roll: Adam
Second Ten Roll: Nada
Third Ten Roll: Blutgang dupe (Gold Moon, Nightshade Cage)
Fourth Ten Roll: G Hal Mal, Nyarlathotep dupe
Fifth Ten Roll: Nada
Sixth Ten Roll: Nada
Seventh Ten Roll: Fallen Sword dupe (Gold Moon, Nightshade Cage)
Eighth Ten Roll: Blue Sphere dupe (Gold Moon, Cyan Cage)
Ninth Ten Roll: Nada
Tenth Ten Roll: Nada

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adam is actually halfway decent for a suptixable, while g hal mal speak for themselves

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everything else is whatever

idle grove
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my 10 rolls

old galleon
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is that your second or your third scepter?

idle grove
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second

old galleon
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then you're one away from peak dirt lord

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(assuming hrunting i guess)

idle grove
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probably

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I have more than enough to buy them

old galleon
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the idea is hrunting mh in a class like berserker (with ultimate mastery) or glorybringer (again with ultimate mastery) along with 3 landslide scepter and other good stuff for good burst in raids where you want to burst, or hrunting in yamato for harder v2 fights

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weapon's just that good, but it is also a huge commitment

idle grove
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I'll have to look into it more when I plan on playing consistently again

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or get my third scepter

old galleon
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plenty of stuff there whenver you get around to it

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just note the opportunity cost of 150 gms

idle grove
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I have 400 I'll be fine

long tree
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Poggers I'll take it

old galleon
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good lord

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yatima's the obligatory fantastic burst summon whose name isn't beelzebub, and your second harmonia is just an instant slot in basically all light comps but the ones purely dedicated to ca

long tree
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Only providence series I'm missing now is triple zero

slow raft
old galleon
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it's fair because summoning servants the way they do is its own brand of bullshit that might get mc a sealing designation or some shit if it were ever known to the mage's association : ^)

long tree
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Mages association: "...what the fuck do you mean you've summoned rulers, multiple grand servants, former beasts of humanity and CURRENT beasts of humanity????"

old galleon
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yeah the implications of summoning draco are just a little bit dire

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no big deal

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only sodom's beast, nothing to fear

rigid pilot
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Pretenders are also super SUS for mage's association

long tree
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GIVE ME LIBERTY GIVE ME FIRE GIVE ME WORLD ENDER OR I RETIRE

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At least I have you harps, you're always here for me

old galleon
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why do you need world enders?

long tree
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I just keep getting them

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I cannot escape them

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What revenant weapon should I get

copper steppe
old galleon
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||revans weapons aren't the same thing||

old galleon
long tree
old galleon
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with the disclaimer that all of them are pretty bad until you can awaken them

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the ones i see most recommended are either schrodinger, fang of the dragonslayer, or forbidden agastia, for different reasons

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can check that for more detailed suggestions

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extinction blade is also listed as a good pick, but i probably would put it below the three i mentioend for not having an omega mod or other powerful option for non-primal while non-awakened (it's literally just mentioned as a stat stick)

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i'll also note that both fang and agastia have downsides if you care about that (the former applies a 5% hp cut every turn that you'll need to outheal for longer content, while the latter has bloodshed, which applies a 20% hp cut at the start of the fight)

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as for the two i haven't mentioned yet, sette di spade is a great weapon....when you have dupes

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since you don't have copies of it already, getting just the one won't have too much impact

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and symmetria is just lmao

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garrison and tempering are good weapon skills

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the problem is that they're both boosted by zeus, not lumi

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extinction blade at least has shit taht'll work in omega

long tree
old galleon
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zeus is good

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but you're not playing zeus

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as with any of the other optimus summons, primal is an enormous investment

long tree
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need two lu Woh
Damn

glossy latch
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Man farming for CR/CD sucks

versed pawn
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It always does

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Probably why jingliu stays queen for eternity copium

glossy latch
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Im just trying to upgrade my planar relics at this point for clara

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And it still sucks

versed pawn
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I've been trying to get blade upgrades for months on the planar relics nyaruhodo

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Like he looks good already but he can look better

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And New units are in the way ConcernedFroge

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Hence I have to skip to actually get the units where I like them too

glossy latch
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My Clara is just kinda eh, and I wanna get her up to snuff

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Seele meanwhile is already doing mad damage

summer hornet
idle grove
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oh cosmos pog

old galleon
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yeah cosmos redeems that set of pulls

summer hornet
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Bubs dupe doesn't really do anything right now, I assume

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Also I do need to grab the revans siete sword before I forget lol

glossy latch
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Hm

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My DoT team seems to be lagging behind a tad

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Oh I didnt max them all out

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Duh

versed pawn
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I have 600 tears and prob farm all archeron mats anyway

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Actually mostly done

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Probably can chill for a while afterwards

glossy latch
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Hmmm

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I wonder if Ruan Mei is better than Sampo or Luka in DoT

runic ether
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kafka swan ruan mei sustain is meta

glossy latch
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Yeah but I dont have Swan

runic ether
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kafka sampo ruan mei sustain then

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its probs more damage

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just bc of how broken ruan mei is

glossy latch
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And I think without Swan you dont get the 3 DoTs as easily for the max boost from prisoner

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Hmm

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Ill try it some time

runic ether
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i think u might still be able to get there but yea should try and tune it

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ill see if i can ask around

glossy latch
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Actually

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Hold on I think it might work

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If her uolt and FuA shock are treated seperately

old galleon
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if you have him at 3 or 4* already, just save the dupe

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they've done some fuckery regarding dupes with higher order optimus uncaps, there's nothing saying they won't for providence uncaps in the future

old galleon
summer hornet
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But beyond Super Saiyan wind grids seem to run like 5-6 copies of the siete sword, from what I've seen, no?

old galleon
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sure, there are grids that run a bunch of dupes of sette

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that's the whole point, you run dupes of them

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the ticket only yields one, unawakened at that

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if you're still set on getting it, it won't brick your account or anything

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but it won't provide as much immediate impact

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both fang of the dragonslayer and forbidden agastia have omega mods on them (albeit with some notable drawbacks), schrodinger has ca supp, and even extinction blade has crit supp if you're running crit and don't have 2 crimson scale

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in contrast to those four, both of sette's skills scale with how many swords are in grid

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which is why you always see sette run with dupes where possible

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since those ramp up

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thus, the argument i'd make for sette is that it saves you a little grinding later down the road for your sette grids

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which is non-unique, since you can make the same argument for any of the other options

glossy latch
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Ah fuck the Ruan Mei team is really good

glossy latch
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Oh uh

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How does the Sam Bossfight work?

runic ether
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you attack him until he dies

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try not to click skill too many times unless u can nuke him

glossy latch
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He seems to have a lot of damage res?

runic ether
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until he pops his flames

glossy latch
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Hmm

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Also I can beat MoC 12, but I cant 3* it

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Well maybe I can if I optimise teamcomps

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And figure out Sam

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But 60 jades aint worth it tbh

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Hate how Ruan Mei is better than 3 DoT tho

versed pawn
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% dmg increases go brrr

honest pawn
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@slow raft CONTROVERSY HAS BEEN AVOIDED

honest pawn
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I will now do granblue rolls

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got nothing but dupes otherwise

old galleon
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hm

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TIL bahamut has eluded me for 6 years now

honest pawn
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lol

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you'll get him someday bro

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i-is this some kind of advanced form of flirting

summer hornet
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I'll ruminate on it for a little bit

summer hornet
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The dual planets were intertwined in each other's tragic destiny, dancing an eternal rondo around a pitch-black great sun.
In the beginning, one of the planets gave rise to humans. These people looked down, and named the land below "Izumo." These people looked up, and named the world above "Takamagahara."
One day uninscribed in the annals, the Y...

โ–ถ Play video
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Acheron is ||absolutely killer... and DEFINITELY an Emanator of Nihility||

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||Duke Inferno is barely even a footnote lmao||

runic ether
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black swan w riz

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rizz

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damn she cut inferno's head clean off

glossy latch
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Good lord this is gay

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Huh

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||So the Nihility is ... stronger than other Paths?||

runic ether
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this is a trailer detailing what happens when u hear someone say "i can fix her"

glossy latch
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||It feels weird that an emanator who barely has control over her own powers would so effortlessly overwhelm one who clearly has been in the game for some time||

runic ether
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||i have a feeling anyone who becomes an emanator of nihility becomes infinitely stronger than any other emanator because nihility wouldnt care about how much of ix's power they use. ergo she can very likely tap into most of ix's power||

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that said

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||i do think its very likely that she doesnt use it actively. its just a subconscious thing||

glossy latch
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||Im actually wondering if she really is nihility||

runic ether
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||she is. she was mentioned as such. though i can see that its a case where nihility and finality are way more closely related than we thought||

glossy latch
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Maybe thats what it is

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||But this sequence felt way more finality than nihility||

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||Like I dont think Nihility would really be terrifying to observe, it would just render you inert. But Finality, the end of things, that feels way more terror-inspiring?||

runic ether
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||yeah with all that killing that happened once acheron got control of the dance. the birds she killed, the panther killing the gazelle, the bear killing the rabit and such||

glossy latch
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||It felt more like it symbolised the hunter becoming the hunted||

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||But Nihility shouldnt really be hunting?||

runic ether
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||well yes but thats my point. it didnt feel like a nihility case||

glossy latch
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||Nihility might destroy whats in its path, but it wouldnt go out of its way, it doesnt care after all||

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Hmm

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||Maybe she is a double emanator||

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||And perhaps thats why she is so odd||

runic ether
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thatd be wild

glossy latch
#

It would but checking it, I dont think there is anything that would contradict

runic ether
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nothing in her leaked voice lines or lore stories would imply that

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but

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||it also very likely could be that ix and terminus are one and the same since terminus is said to move forwards and backwards in time there must have been an origin point for terminus and that point was likely nihility||

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||and since acheron is an emanator currently active in an era where ix and terminus both exist she might be drawing 2x power||

glossy latch
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Huh

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That could be it

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... oh very wild guess

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||What if Finality is Nihility after it absorbed Destruction?||

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||Since we know sometimes Aeons can subsume other Aeons||

runic ether
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ohhh

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the thing to see will be

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||if terminus has its own emanators or assigns them||

glossy latch
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||Plus that would possibly also explain Elios whole deal, maybe he wants to avoid a future where that can happen, so we are the wild card in his plan||

runic ether
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||if its also a case where terminus doesnt care for that since everything will be reaching its end, then itd make more sense in my eyes that terminus is just the future version of ix traveling forward and backward||

runic ether
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||and then in that same vein, terminus wants to guarantee the end and thus moves backwards in time to ensure the true finality of all things||

glossy latch
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Hold up

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Read the description

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The description has some wild implications

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||We are 100% dealing with something related to Terminus here||

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||The fact that the planets, their past and future all got erased at once just screams Finality to me||

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||And Acherons sword might be an edict edge, and we see a shot of her in what looks to be a japanese-inspired world in the visions||

versed pawn
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||She can erase my past and future Hahaa ||

runic ether
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oh yeah this is

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taken directly from acheron's story lore bits as she ascends iirc

glossy latch
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Is it?

versed pawn
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Also with acheron we can finally overworld in a fast way

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I will have unlimited stuff

runic ether
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i believe so

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yes

glossy latch
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Didnt see that yet so I cant say

runic ether
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hmmmmmm actually no

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this is new

glossy latch
#

But it definitely reads to me like ||Acheron might indeed be Finality||

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||She is probably from those worlds, and her ascendance destroyed those worlds||

runic ether
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but it serves as a good prelude to what happens in takama

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oh actually u know what

glossy latch
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||In fact, Im wondering if maybe she isnt just an emanator of Finality, but in fact is the Finality?||

runic ether
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i was going to get there lol

glossy latch
runic ether
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||we know she had contact with ix due to the travels she had with frebass||

versed pawn
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Ye LAN used to be kinda normal dude aswell right

runic ether
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||but what if she was already finality/terminus before that meeting?||

glossy latch
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Nanook was a survivor of the swarm disaster

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Akivili just some guy who liked travelling and messing with things

glossy latch
runic ether
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"Frebass, are you still going to the depths of IX?" The question comes from her companion who is always carrying a long blade. She is a good companion, but no one knows where she comes from.

The little Nameless hides inside her bulky diving suit. A long pause later, she hands the companion a slightly burnt marshmallow, her eyes narrowed like the silhouette of a fully opened sail:

"Of course โ€” because I will walk on a road deeper and further than Akivili's!"

glossy latch
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||... wait if she is the Finality, and the Finality is the only thing that experiences every loop, is that maybe why she has the weird comments where its random, and the knowledge that you could've answered differently?||

runic ether
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so frebass' companion was acheron

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acheron's comment on being reminded of someone when we first meet her

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she is remembering frebass

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no one knows where she came from

glossy latch
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Because no one remembers ||Izumo||

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||Which I am 99% sure shes from||

runic ether
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yeah she is from there given that we only ever hear about this place from her

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Therefore, the little Nameless remembers the smile she gave from the bottom of her heart when the girl with the sword took the marshmallows for the final time.

"I never thought I would meet anyone similar to me. You've walked so much further on this road than me.
Therefore, you will surely walk with me till then end, right?"
"Of course. Our end has already been determined... However, just like you said โ€”
Even though I may turn into a shallow puddle of dead water in the end, there is still a lot I can do on my journey toward that moment. Therefore, no matter what, I have to go try itโ€”
โ€” Because I will walk on a road deeper and further than Akivili's!"

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interestingly enough, acheron went with frebass into ix

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this doesnt negate any other theory too

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||ix could turn into terminus whose origin is acheron||

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||given that she went into a black hole with a distorted sense of time/space, she walked out an emanator/aeon||

glossy latch
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Mmh

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||Yeah I am fairly certain were onto something, theres also the "great pitch-black sun" part||

runic ether
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The vast void looms near the end of the vivid memories, yet she suddenly sees a dash of crimson blinking briefly into existence in the center of the pitch-black world.

glossy latch
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||Which is 100% a black hole. And the one we see in her ult is not IX||

runic ether
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this was right before acheron caught up to frebass

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acheron was able to cleave her way into ix

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to reach frebass

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and on frebass

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i dont believe frebass is dead

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its very likely frebass ||is/was an aeon||

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i keep thinking

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could frebass ||have been a possible emanator of the trailblaze?||

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||its not super relevant if she is or not but its possible as well that frebass was a form of akivili after the disappearance||

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without knowing the timeline of takama

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and when the pioneer diver of dead waters set takes place in

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its hard to get a good idea

glossy latch
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Yeah, a lot is open

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Im guessing we wont get a resolution for ages lmao

runic ether
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she had heard stories about akivili

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akivili is definitely one of the oldest aeons

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so that means little

#

and again its interesting that acheron followed frebass into ix

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but she was stated to have appeared by cutting into the center of the black hole

glossy latch
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Meaning that, for some reason

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She couldnt get in normally?

runic ether
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from what we can assume

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||this was the moment that acheron was the emanator powers from ix||

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||but its very likely that she was the finality to begin with and the only reason she was able to claim these powers was because ix will become terminus as a result of this encounter in the center of ix||

glossy latch
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||Im not sure, the crimson flash seems to be her sword, which I beleive was already crimson at that point||

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But we also really dont have much to go on

runic ether
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||yeah it was. the crimson flash is acheron but there is a lot we dont know of this story too because acheron did follow her all the way up until it came to diving into ix||

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but from what we know of the pioneer set

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only frebass went in

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it was only after she had experienced death 14 days and 14 nights

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as she finally approached the center of ix

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did acheron go to her

glossy latch
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Mmh

#

Im definitely confident that Nihility and Finality are linked now though

runic ether
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if theres anything to say about this its probably because frebass was this universe's kiana

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it is also why i dont think frebass is dead

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can definitely see it being a case where

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acheron ||became/becomes the finality and taps into as the emanator of ix||

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and frebass ||possibly becomes one of the aeons maybe xipe or maybe even yaoshi?||

glossy latch
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Hmm

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Im not sure shes an Aeon we already know

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||I would in fact wager she might be an Aeon no one yet knows of||

runic ether
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||could be an upcoming aeon yeah i can see that||

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||If Acheron is Finality its an inverse from Honkai where she is the Herrscher of Origin and Kiana is the Herrscher of Finality||

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||So perhaps shes the Aeon of Origin?||

runic ether
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||the one thing that we will see about acheron being an actual aeon, is how much she follows through on the whole case about aeons where they must adhere to their path regardless of anything||

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if she is truly ||the aeon of finality, so far all her actions have been pretty on-point for her path||

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||she has more or less killed p much everyone she has encountered so far||

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||in our dream sequence with her, she strikes us down waking us up. in this latest short, she kills multiple aspects of black swan, she killed duke inferno||

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in the trailer for 2.1, ||she is about to show aventurine what a real emanator/aeon actually is like||

glossy latch
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Also damn this almost makes me want to pull for her

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But shes such an awkward unit to pull for if youre f2p

runic ether
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by all means my account would be better if i pulled for aventurine

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but

glossy latch
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You need her lightcone basically, her teamcomps are all gonna be really weird

runic ether
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if i get her early im going for her lc

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if i dont get her early

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with this treasure i summon ๐Ÿ’ณ

glossy latch
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Like whats her basic teamcomp

runic ether
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on her immediate launch

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it will be fu xuan with trends of the universal market

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pela

glossy latch
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Im assuming Pela/SW/maybe Luka for her passive + debuffs

runic ether
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sw

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and her

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at e0

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if u are e2

glossy latch
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Trends for the DoT to count as a debuff?

runic ether
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trends fu xuan/pela or wolf/ruan mei/acheron

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and yep

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trends to do dot which is a debuff

glossy latch
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Wild

runic ether
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the alternative to fu xuan on trends is gallagher

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who tbh is a fantastic support for her if u do get e1

glossy latch
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Im almost wondering if shes gonna make Welt good

runic ether
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u can do welt

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but pela is preferred

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and so is wolf

glossy latch
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I guess it depends on if his skill counts as one debuff or 3

runic ether
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they apply the most debuffs on average

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and the better debuffs

runic ether
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its per time a debuff is applied

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so pela ult only applies 1

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even if it debuffs an entire group of enemies

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welt debuff even if it hits 3 enemies only ticks up once

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and wolf has the added benefit of having a chance to apply lightning weakness

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so the comp is pela/wolf

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u can do swan/kafka

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but acheron doesnt care and doesnt do dot

glossy latch
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Ye I wondered with Welt since its 3 hits

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Like sequentially

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Rather than at once

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Also man Welt feels like he should be a good DPS unit

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I wonder whats making him not perform

runic ether
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its kind of weird

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he should be way better

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but theres just no real slots he fits into

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like

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pela has better debuffs

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wolf has better debuffs

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sure then u dont need to run wolf or pela in every comp

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(wolf kinda can)

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he doesnt bring dots

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so kafka and swan dont care

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he just has an awkward spot

glossy latch
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Yeah a lot of his stuff is more in his damage than debuffs

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But he doesnt seem to keep up damage-wise either?

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And Im not sure why because its not like his multipliers are bad

long tree
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I feel like he might be okay in ratio comps but even so pela is right there and her debuffs are crazy

runic ether
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yeah

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u would rather do pela or wolf

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i think they put way too much stock into what the imaginary break would be like

glossy latch
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Hmm

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I guess the fact that he basically needs there to be only exactly one enemy hurts him

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Since MoCs nowadays always end with duo bosses

glossy latch
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Since speeding up effectively gives you more turns in the timelimit

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He sucks in PF for obvious reasons but he also isnt great in MoC

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... yeah that actually makes sense

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I think thats it, so unless we get another gamemode that helps him, hes kinda screwed

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Which is a shame, I think he has cool aesthetics

glossy latch
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He was actually decent in those

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Because he enabled the Imaginary set which is really good

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... then we got Diver

runic ether
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damn welt truly got cooked by a relic set

glossy latch
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Diver in general powercrept a lot of sets

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If youre not exactly a Quantum unit its hard to justify running any other set

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Well unless youre FuA with a lot of hits, then its Ash Duke