Pokemon

[warm sky]

https://twitter.com/i/status/2036300371820212243

https://twitter.com/i/status/2013360213072412882

https://twitter.com/i/status/2013522088670171255 @normal cave @icy heath

https://twitter.com/i/status/2010692492187107383

https://twitter.com/i/status/2008182376594333924

NurseMel! 🇨🇭 (@MelFunnySmell)

X · Mar 24, 2026, 4:33 AM

D Tier Translator (JP to EN) (@DTierTL)

X · Jan 19, 2026, 9:17 PM

あいうえお (@0e1ua)

オオタチちゃん！オオタチちゃん！

X · Jan 20, 2026, 8:00 AM

✞𝓩𝓸𝓮✞ (@Z0e_chan)

ﾋｽｲﾀﾞｲｹﾝｷ

X · Jan 12, 2026, 12:37 PM

rafin白痴做梦 (@bbbblebbbbb)

X · Jan 5, 2026, 2:22 PM

Huh

Why didn't two embed

Fixed

[swift jasper]

shiny patrat be like

i can see smells

[fading stratus]

it can indeed see you

[pseudo goblet]

Go get more shiny

[fading stratus]

oh yeah zane btw

say if I give you mons will you evolve em for me come champions

[golden lance]

Also immediately after i found a shiny budew

[fading stratus]

choccy can probs as well

[pseudo goblet]

Mayheps

[fading stratus]

because I'd want a few mons in my own OT

[golden lance]

It ran away before i could save

Or catch it

[pseudo goblet]

Maybe reset your game

[golden lance]

Tried it

Wasnt there

Also pretty sure i heard the sound effect earlier today

But didnt know it meant a shiny showed up

So no idea what it was

[pseudo goblet]

Have you try put afk method yet

Or no turbo

[golden lance]

Not willing to hunt for anything rn

Also only controller i have are the built in joycons

Speaking of hunting tho

Wonder what could get me a dlc legendary if i catched it

Pseudos maybe?

[pseudo goblet]

I feel you should hunt raidon as middle step most of the time

Cause most people would have the extra one for trades

[maiden flax]

okay @pseudo goblet @fading stratus @magic thunder @warm sky we have official confimation for the abilities of the 3 johto starter megas

mega emboar gets mold breaker
mega feraligatr gets dragonize - normal type moves turn into dragon type moves
and mega meganium gets ega sol, all move mega meganium uses either sets harsh sunlight or is treated as though harsh sunlight is always on the field (the serebii website and tweet say different things, i imagine the latter is correct cause its the one on the website)

[pseudo goblet]

Okay how come Emboar gets the boring one

[fading stratus]

they hate emboar

fuck you gamefreak

[maiden flax]

okay so it is, as though harsh sunlight is always on the field

in other worlds, insta solar beams and growth does double

[pseudo goblet]

Can Mold Breaker- well, break Drought and Pixilate

[maiden flax]

oh and 75% healing from synthesis

notably this means you can use it in rain

[maiden flax]

no

[pseudo goblet]

Well damn

[maiden flax]

oh and also
always 100 bp fire weather ball

...

[pseudo goblet]

Wait do I remember wrong that Mold Breaker immune to Intimidate

[maiden flax]

mega sol is awesome

[normal cave]

Damn they gave Meganium crack

[fading stratus]

send link btw

of website

[normal cave]

Feraligatr and meganium got nuts abilities

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/meganium-pokemon-pokemon-meganium-sunny-day-meganium-uses-sunny-day-gif-8639664095663636624

What H-Typhlosioj get

[normal cave]

Mold breaker is very strong but like, not that strong

[maiden flax]

https://www.serebii.net/

[normal cave]

Frisk

[maiden flax]

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/2036444426906579390 (he corrected it)

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: New Abilities have been revealed for Mega Evolved Pokémon in Pokémon Champions

Mega Meganium gets a new one called Mega Sol uses moves as if Sunny Day is in effect
Mega Emboar gets Mold Breaker
Mega Feraligatr gets Dragonize - Turns Normal-type moves into

X · Mar 24, 2026, 2:06 PM

[fading stratus]

67% recover from synthesis +2 growth and insta solarbeam

is cool ig

[pseudo goblet]

Meanwhile, Sceptile

Srsly is Sceptile still stuck with Dual Chop and maybe Dragon Pulse

[fading stratus]

also fire coverage in weather ball

double edge feraligatr would be cool if dragonise boosts the moves by 1.5x

[pseudo goblet]

Imagine if Gatr somehow had Espeed lmao

[fading stratus]

champions relese date april 8th btw

[rancid crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfW-qdsvpU

[maiden flax]

75%

[warm sky]

Sooo

Guess who doesn't learn growth

[maiden flax]

rip

they should give it growth

we can be trusted

[mighty storm]

Champions April 8th lets go

[warm sky]

Anyway gatr's ability lines up with the leak

[pseudo goblet]

So whats the chance of them banning Meganium

Random idea

[swift jasper]

wait meganium has a solarbeam ability?

sigh i will have to use the potato

[normal cave]

Yes

[swift jasper]

i hate chikorita

[warm sky]

Never

[pseudo goblet]

Now you wont

[normal cave]

Chiko is adorable

[warm sky]

Also

Emboar should've gotten Supreme Overlord

I stand by that

[normal cave]

It was just unusably bad until its mega

[fading stratus]

idk man

[warm sky]

Oh

[normal cave]

Synthesis kinda bonkers with this

Does it get any spread moves

[fading stratus]

you probs just play solarbeam leech seed synthesis protect

in doubles

[normal cave]

Gleam?

[fading stratus]

d gleam

yeah

[warm sky]

If it got growth it'd be a pretty good mon tbh

[normal cave]

Stab gleam is fine

[warm sky]

Bc you also got s good physical movepool

[pseudo goblet]

Hmmmmm, MegaBoom

[normal cave]

Stall mon in doubles

[pseudo goblet]

Meganium + Rillaboom

[warm sky]

Mega venusaur

[fading stratus]

yeah venusaur has been doing this since ages

[warm sky]

Also, @fading stratus you better start crafting for everyone on april 8th

[fading stratus]

sure

just for people who have switch for now

[normal cave]

Doesn't that set instantly explode to amogus btw

[warm sky]

Rip Foolish

Can't get a mega dnite team

[pseudo goblet]

Bolt suddenly remember he has test that day lol

[fading stratus]

you dont need a mon to beat everything in the format

you can make your partner check amogus

like incin

I have my boards in april 9th yeah zane

[outer eagle]

Meanwhile the meta megas are still gonna be Mence, Kang, Gengar, Zard-Y and Mawile

[fading stratus]

well starting april 9th

[pseudo goblet]

Wait srsly

[fading stratus]

but they happen every 3 days so I can spare some time to theorycraft

every 4 days

so 3 days gap

[pseudo goblet]

Been a while since my last Zane’s coincidental jinx

[normal cave]

Okay but it's funny to say it explodes to amogus

[maiden flax]

as for feral, body slam, double edge and facade are all very interesting with the ability

[normal cave]

How you using facade

[pseudo goblet]

Is it just me or grass starter is doing well

Then theres Sceptile and Decidueye

[normal cave]

With no item slot

[maiden flax]

by letting your enemy burn you

[normal cave]

Nice burn on a physical mon with no guts

[outer eagle]

Dragon as the primary offensive typing is kinda eh tbh

[fading stratus]

yeah

[maiden flax]

140 power facade which still ignores the burn though :v

[fading stratus]

one of then reasons koraidon doesnt even run a dragon move

[pseudo goblet]

The fact Meganium outranked Sceptile just hit me

[outer eagle]

Especially since you are competing with Mega Mence for that slot

[fading stratus]

because dragon is stinky

[normal cave]

True but that's one move. Your liquidations are dead.

[maiden flax]

mostly joking about the facade thing

[normal cave]

Oi, I shower every day

[maiden flax]

it's just funny

[normal cave]

It is yeah

[fading stratus]

I hope dragonise gets boost

and isnt like liquid voice

[pseudo goblet]

Mmmmmmmm, suddenly remember Kobayashi

ANYWAY

[fading stratus]

honestly

[outer eagle]

It should get the boost

[fading stratus]

since grass in general is a sucky offensive typing

what if we played giga drain synthesis weather ball

[maiden flax]

it's likely going to get the pixilate/aerialate boost

[normal cave]

We were talking dragons not dragon maids

[pseudo goblet]

Draining kiss surely

[outer eagle]

Every normal type-changing ability comes with the boost iirc

[pseudo goblet]

Good job Choccy

[maiden flax]

i find it funny that liquid voice is actually useful now

in singles

[golden lance]

Ok now i should probably track back the shiny i heard earlier

They never despawn right?

[maiden flax]

due to psychic noise being an amazing move and turning it into a water type move is awesome

[pseudo goblet]

Usually no

[maiden flax]

unless they are runaway, yup, never despawns

[golden lance]

Cool

Pretty sure it was near the steel type wild area

[spice rivet]

Im sure im late to this but hey

[maiden flax]

way ahead of you

[warm sky]

Damn u a Regigigas?

Cuz you got a slow start

[spice rivet]

SORRY IM EMPLOYED

[golden lance]

Oh yea while at it, bear decloned

[warm sky]

I mean I'm at work too

[pseudo goblet]

[fading stratus]

bets on wolfie topping indie regionals with mega jenjar

[golden lance]

Nah

He's bringing victribel for content

[fading stratus]

wolfie has played 2 tournaments this year and he hasnt won either of the 2

for reference

[normal cave]

I'd rather he focus on enjoying himself after the shit he's been through atp

[warm sky]

I wonder wtf mega bell and mega chimecho get

[magic thunder]

ok so I guess this kinda confirms the chinese leaks?

[fading stratus]

victreebel needs like huger power

[magic thunder]

cuz feraligatr did get a passive damage booster

[fading stratus]

mega chimecho if it was a chimecho evolution called belleto or sth woulda been so sick because of the stat spread

but idt any ability saves it

[warm sky]

Damn mega lass gomna be ||fucking garbage||

[fading stratus]

I'm very skeptical on the leeks still

[warm sky]

Trust me it'll get triage for sound moves

[maiden flax]

also seems like dragonize has the same boost as pixililate and gang

1.2x

[magic thunder]

what normal moves does bro even get

double edge?

[fading stratus]

yeah

[warm sky]

Yes

[fading stratus]

and thrash

[warm sky]

We need Return back vro

[magic thunder]

Ok so given these match the pokedex entries

[maiden flax]

mega chimecho is amazing in singles and would be good even with just levitate

[magic thunder]

is Dragalgae gonna

get poison on attack?

[maiden flax]

body slam too

[magic thunder]

to mimic the cancer

[maiden flax]

body slam for the 30% para

[magic thunder]

😭

[icy heath]

[fading stratus]

here's our new core gang

body slam para

rock slide flinch

[magic thunder]

oh yeah btw

Meganium best rain mon

[spice rivet]

Mega Meganium ability is also cracked. I wonder how it will interact with Primal Weather

[maiden flax]

it should, in theory, just consider it sunny anyway

[spice rivet]

Solarbeams your Primal Kyogre UwU

[maiden flax]

gweezing switch into mega meganium as it uses solar beam

[spice rivet]

But ya, Mega Meganium on Rain Teams will be great

[maiden flax]

now to one shot it with sludge bomb

[spice rivet]

Mega Meganium 🤝 Walking Wake

Being good in weather that should be detrimental for their main STAB

[golden lance]

What set are we running on meganium? Dazzling SBeam weather ball growth?

[maiden flax]

doesnt learn growth sadly

[warm sky]

Doesn't get growth lmao

[golden lance]

Fym it doesnt get growth

Bro

[maiden flax]

maybe they will give it to meganium in champions but otherwise...

it does get solar beam though!

[spice rivet]

Assuming no growth, Sbeam, Dgleam, Weather Ball, Protect

[maiden flax]

and synthesis

[warm sky]

Honestly if it had growth it'd be 4MSS

[golden lance]

Crazy part too is that za made everyone a setup move merchant

Really thought it got growth

[warm sky]

Bc you want Growth + Synthesis for setup

And then Gleam, Beam and WB

[golden lance]

Wait

In rain/sand/snow, what type even is wb?

[spice rivet]

Fire

[maiden flax]

presumably still fire

[golden lance]

Huh

[warm sky]

Your ability supercedes weather likely

[spice rivet]

Yummy would be correct

[golden lance]

Makes sense ig

[fading stratus]

tho I'll say it'll probs still not be a great mon

[spice rivet]

Unless theres some weird tomfoolery

[fading stratus]

since like amogus exists

and rillaboom

[spice rivet]

Also, @fading stratus you need anything else rn?

In Home

[maiden flax]

might be really good in singles

until you run into a team with gweezing who just hard counters mega mega with no problem

[fading stratus]

uhh do you have rapid strike perchance?

I dont think I need anything more rn except like dlc mons and gen 9 cover legendaries

[golden lance]

Yozz, do you happen to have a spare BM luna?

[fading stratus]

does meganium get pollen puff

[golden lance]

It doesnt

[fading stratus]

one niche wo chien had was you could make your wo chien faster than your AV Kyogre and then pollen puff your Kyogre to get full power water sprouts

its a shame meganium cant do that

it woulda been funny

[sonic inlet]

Oh shit meganium is good now

Thank god

[golden lance]

Wait

What if over drizzle

Mega rain dnite

[fading stratus]

wdym

[golden lance]

What meganium got

But for rain instead of sun

[fading stratus]

that would be funny

[golden lance]

Fuck it give that to lugia too

It needs it

[fading stratus]

lugia needs like 50 more spa

that shit probably has lower offenses than butterfree

apparently same

[normal cave]

[fading stratus]

lugia does same damage as a mfing butterfree

[normal cave]

Support stats but attacker movepool

[fading stratus]

I was looking at mega Venesaur tops and this dude was on some serious crack

mind you this was a format with primals, mega ray and ultra necrozma

[normal cave]

This person could see the matrix

[fading stratus]

it was kasty dude is cracked he nearly won 2022 worlds

[outer eagle]

Wonder what the list of mons that nearly won Worlds looks like

[fading stratus]

do I do top 2 or top 4

ig finals is fine

[outer eagle]

Top 2 would be most appropriate i'd think

[sonic inlet]

Also they really hate emboar huh

[fading stratus]

whats this mon called again

I forgor

[void herald]

ludicolo

[fading stratus]

thanke

[sonic inlet]

You make miror b sad, bolt

[outer eagle]

El Sancho

[warm sky]

You've disappointing all of Mexico

[fading stratus]

and also this mon

[warm sky]

Escavelier

The French probably already hated you

But now they can hate you more

Also real total real leak

Mheatran gets earth eater

Real

[fading stratus]

trust copium

[vagrant steppe]

So Mega Sol is like decent, yeah?

[swift jasper]

it's very decent for me

[fading stratus]

any place I can make a graphics

[swift jasper]

wdym

[fading stratus]

for this

[vagrant steppe]

Oh wait it's better than expected

It doesn't set sun

It treats all moves as if sun is set

[normal cave]

Setting sun would have let it help its team

As it stands tho its ability lets it do its thing regardless of what the rest of your team is doing

[vagrant steppe]

It not setting sun is actually better

You can play it on a rain team now

And you don't have to worry about boosted fire weakness

[normal cave]

Would not say better, because you can't set up your flutter mane or anything

[sonic inlet]

More than decent

[vagrant steppe]

With solar beam and weather ball it'll have surprisingly solid coverage. Growth is bulk

[normal cave]

It gets no growth

[vagrant steppe]

It doesn't have access to growth???

Why

[normal cave]

Idfk

It just does not

[vagrant steppe]

Well Solar Beam and Weather Ball at least

[normal cave]

It gets synthesis

It's a solid mon

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah it probably got the best of the abilities

Dragonize is fine, but it's suffering from the "late" nerf form gen 7

[normal cave]

Dragonize suffers from dragon not being an amazing attacking type

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah that too

[hasty anchor]

Oh that's cool.

[vagrant steppe]

But stuff like Take Down won't hit a fairy now

[hasty anchor]

Emboar's probably the least interesting of the abilities, but Mold Breaker's still pretty alright.

[normal cave]

You still have liquidation

[vagrant steppe]

Emboar got fucking nothing lol

[hasty anchor]

But maaaan, those other abilities.

[normal cave]

You just get walled by tapu fini

[vagrant steppe]

Mold Breaker is kinda useless lol

[normal cave]

Not really no

[vagrant steppe]

Should've just given it reckless or something

I mean, it's not useless but it's the most niche of the three

And it doesn't really help

[hasty anchor]

Using any move on an opponent without their own abilities getting in the ways is pretty helpful

[normal cave]

P sure it lets you ignore farigiraf for using fake out

[vagrant steppe]

Oh wait Dragon Type Thrash sounds silly

Yeah Feraligator definitely got a decent niche

[hasty anchor]

Feraligatr I think does get Double-Edge

[normal cave]

You just invented Outrage again

[vagrant steppe]

But emboar just kinda got nothing

[normal cave]

Ignoring sturdy and multiscale is nice

Flash fire too

[vagrant steppe]

Obviously there's uses but not really enough to cement emboar over anything else you could be megaing

[normal cave]

Oh yeah

[vagrant steppe]

He's a bulky physical attacker with a typing that's fine for that

[maiden flax]

it does and body slam

[hasty anchor]

The real winner is Meganium, and I imagine that makes one Raz very happy

[maiden flax]

apparently it gets the standard 1.2x boost the other normal into other type abilities get

[normal cave]

Oh neat

So double edge nukes shit

[hasty anchor]

Treating any move as if Harsh Sunlight is out means a lot

[maiden flax]

you know, we made the assumption that mega sol wont give the 1.5x power for fire moves

but what if it does and weather ball is actually just unironically 150 bp fire move now?

[hasty anchor]

You don't even need to make a team around bringing out the sun; that Solar Beam's gonna fire off!

[normal cave]

Meganium can take p good advantage of its ability

[sonic inlet]

Solar beam synthesis dazzling gleam weather ball

[normal cave]

Why would it not

[hasty anchor]

Also, yeah, Weather Ball means a Grass-Type can hit you with a fire-type jumpscare

[sonic inlet]

And now you have a nuke

And rain teams can't stop her

[normal cave]

Rain teams might run it

[maiden flax]

do you know who can stop meganium?

gweezing

[normal cave]

Amogus

[maiden flax]

weather ball :x

[normal cave]

True

[sonic inlet]

Over mega swampert?

[hasty anchor]

Grass type means they aren't falling asleep

[normal cave]

Is meganium fast?

[sonic inlet]

80 speed

[maiden flax]

80 speed

[hasty anchor]

So they really better be up to code on defense if they want to survive Weather Ball

[normal cave]

So any poison coverage evaporates it

On a reasonably fast mon

[sonic inlet]

Kinda yeah

At least it's really tanky

[maiden flax]

gweezing in particular just sort of, goobs mega meganium as pressing solar beam when weezing switches in will force it to charge

and then get hit by a 4x effective sludge bomb

[hasty anchor]

Yeah; the real threat would be stuff like Sneasler, or something

[maiden flax]

80 hp and like 114 in both defenses iirc for bulk

[sonic inlet]

Thankfully sneasler is banned in singles

[maiden flax]

gweezing remainings winning

[normal cave]

Rain gets archaludon and peli who take neutral damage at worst and are tanky

[hasty anchor]

Really, I like not how useful these abilities are, but that they are very unique.

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah there's a real solid niche for rain teams in the future here

[sonic inlet]

Peli explodes to a solar beam from her

[hasty anchor]

Glad they didn't just phone in and granted something that already existed.

...Well, except for Emboar. But still, Mold Breaker's alright

[normal cave]

That's nasty yeah

[sonic inlet]

Idk how mold breaker helps emboar

[swift jasper]

[normal cave]

Does emboar get fake out?

[swift jasper]

ig i will see my name a lot the next few months

[maiden flax]

mega emboar for singles biggest usage is being able to press flare blitz without worrying about heatran taking the hit on switchin
and being able to punch through unaware

[hasty anchor]

Mostly just says 'no' to whatever ability is getting in the way of it smashing stuff to dust.

[sonic inlet]

Yeah against heatran on the switch in it's ok ig

Though then they have to swap right after or they eat a close combat

[maiden flax]

yeah

[hasty anchor]

A few standouts, I believe are it can ignore stuff like Thick Fat (keeps your fire-type moves hitting as hard as they should), all of the Ruin abilities, Disguise, Ice Face, Fur Coat, Levitate and the like

There may be more

[maiden flax]

cause it would imply the possibility of stacking the 1.5x fire type boost by having actual sun up while having the ability

[hasty anchor]

Unfortunately not.

[normal cave]

Then yeah idfk what mold breaker helps it in doubles

[maiden flax]

so either it doesnt have the boost or the boost doesnt stack

[hasty anchor]

Which is weird, since I know stuff like Hariyama gets it.

Even the yokozuna gets a way to slap something first.

[golden lance]

Idt pert is as needed in a post skewda world

Or with basculegion around

[golden lance]

Idt it will stack based on the wording

[maiden flax]

yes, but the question was more so if weather ball will be the full 150 bp or just 100 bp

[normal cave]

I'd assume 150

But if sun is up then nothing changes for meganium

Because it always acts like sun is up

[maiden flax]

also, does this mean if meganium uses a water move it will be half as effective?

[golden lance]

I think its gonna be 100

You get secondary effects but not the weather itself

So not stat changes to fire and water moves

[fading stratus]

yeah surely it'll be 100

[normal cave]

So archaludon in the rain walls meganium

[maiden flax]

oh right

[normal cave]

And rain does not get free fire coverage

[maiden flax]

if it is 150 bp
and doesnt stack with sun
there's a possibility it might bypass rain fire decrease, letting a 150 bp fire move be possible in the rain

[normal cave]

Depends how it works

[maiden flax]

yeah

[latent sleet]

emboar will forever be potential man

[vagrant steppe]

I mean I think this cemented a lack of potential lol

[latent sleet]

i mean it had potential with mega

[mighty storm]

Basically outrage for M-feraligatr

[normal cave]

Better outrage but outrage is not good in a world with fairies

[maiden flax]

just use double edge

or body slam for the para

[normal cave]

Body slam to not die to recoil after 1 move

[golden lance]

Or return in natdex ladder

[fading stratus]

@outer eagle since you asked here are the mons that have won worlds

here are the mons that nearly won worlds

[hasty anchor]

Pachirisu~

Oh nice, Raichu and Krookodile's here too

[golden lance]

That raichu was 100% hacked but we dont have to talk about it

[maiden flax]

@radiant oriole okay, someone brought up, for facade you can go rest talk on feral (for singles)

[maiden flax]

pachirisu better mon than palkia confirmed?

[fading stratus]

Verlisify alt

Realistically speaking most of the mons on the chart are probs genned

Especially back in the day when it wasn't as easy to get mons

[fading stratus]

Pachirisu performed better than palkia this gen too iirc

Because sejun took pachirisu to 5-3 in worlds

That's 1 more appearance than palkia

[maiden flax]

[golden lance]

https://x.com/osirusvgc/status/2036454489176072682

Lee Provost (@osirusvgc)

Pokemon Champions Japan micro-transactions revealed. Converts roughly for UK/US

Starter pack: 980 yen  = £4.50 /$6 usd
Membership: 7000 yen  = £33.00/ $45 usd
Battle pass: 1400 yen  = £7.00 /$9 usd

X · Mar 24, 2026, 2:46 PM

[sharp kernel]

@fading stratus Mega Sol is such a gross ability, holy

[golden lance]

Release is also on the 8th

[swift jasper]

thank you

i am very gross

[sharp kernel]

and on switch 1 like I told you choccy

nah you're cute

[golden lance]

Apparently mega stones are also 2k vp each

You get 200 vp per win

[sharp kernel]

and it's 2500 to buy a recruited pokemon permanently

so I would recommend importing your best strat on release, and just farming a good 40-50ish wins

[golden lance]

Yea you still need to sink a bit into EVs but its not the worst thing ever

[sharp kernel]

yeah 200 VP per win is def more than I thought

I was thinking like 50

but with 200, you can probably be a mostly f2p player as long as you have a team ready

this is how we're going to get you out of Brazil Choccy

you're going to become the best Brazilian VGC player

and live in a modestly sized farm in Iowa

[hasty anchor]

To be honest, Pachirisu was less "I'm gonna show the world that you can be an underdog!" and more "This is the best choice for this specific setup, and by golly I'm gonna use it"

But it's still a great story, no matter what brought it up

Come on now

[sharp kernel]

I legit don’t see how Mega Meganium won’t be viable tbh. Assuming Mega Sol works the way I think it does

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah Meganium gives rain so e crazy shit to do

[sharp kernel]

We don’t know anything about pokemon legality for the first champions regulation right?

[fading stratus]

We just know megas is the gimmick

Out of the 6 starter reveals so far only meganium has been good which is so funny

Ig delphox is fine

You can spam equake alongside it

But like eh

[normal cave]

Spam heat wave but not eforce

[fading stratus]

Idk what they were smoking when they gave emboar mold breaker

When the other 2 starters got a signature new ability

[hasty anchor]

I mean, it's fine? Ampharos and Gyrados also have it

It'd be cool if it was unique, but I'd take it over something like, Thick Fat or whatever

[fading stratus]

It's not fine

Thick fat is a insane ability if given to the right Mon

It gives you 2 extra resistances

Mega gyarados was okay back in 2014 and it was because it could boost itself with d dance then spam earthquake alongside telepathy gardevoir when not mega and talonflame when mega

Emboar doesn't get d dance

Or anything similar

[hasty anchor]

Emboar is

BIG

Seriously, I got no clue why it's Sp. Def is this high but I'm perfectly alright with that

[vagrant steppe]

G Weezing says hello

[sharp kernel]

Mold breaker is literally fine

Also Emboar wasn’t as flawed of a mon as Meganium and feraligatr

(Feraligatr is probably still shit, though his supportive move pool intrigues me)

[fading stratus]

Wdym mold breaker is fine

In what context would you want mold breaker

Farigiraf? It doesn't get fake out so who cares
Heatran? It gets close combat anyway

@pseudo goblet is this legit do I keep it

[pseudo goblet]

Are you able to double tap the stat graph

[pseudo goblet]

Its origin should be- yeah Sinnoh

[fading stratus]

So it's legit or nah?

[pseudo goblet]

I assume the location it was caught in would seem as legit

[fading stratus]

Ramanas Park

[pseudo goblet]

Apparently correct

[fading stratus]

I can probably get a koraidon with it but if it's legit I'll keep it

[pseudo goblet]

Lv 100 but zero EV

[fading stratus]

Yeah

That was suspicious

Oh yeah Zane

When you free to trade

[pseudo goblet]

Later today

[fading stratus]

Gotcha

I need that bitch ass emboar back

I gave up after seeing the ability

Also scizor

[sharp kernel]

Mold breaker is literally a fine ability. You’re making it seem like mold breaker is a bottom 10 ability

[fading stratus]

Bro it adds nothing to emboar to make it worthwhile

Just give me a reasonable use for mold breaker

For emboar

[sharp kernel]

Emboar is probably still better than Feraligatr for one lol

Both are pretty bad though

[fading stratus]

It's like comparing whose trash is stinkier

[sharp kernel]

Not every mega is a going to be a home run, now we just hope chesnaught has a good ability

[fading stratus]

Only actual mold breaker mons that saw play in SV were
Ogerpon fire because it's mfing ogerpon and also it could ivy cudgel heatran and grassy glide Infront of farigiraf
And tinkaton because mold breaker fake out

[fading stratus]

It has bulletproof

Already revealed

Greninja with protean and chestnaught with bulletproof aren't good

But I think delphox with levitate will see okay play

[pseudo goblet]

Watch me somehow talk you into keeping the boar and use it

[fading stratus]

Yeah emboar is probably the worst of the 6 starters

Maybe 5th worst

After greninja

[pseudo goblet]

It blocks good as gold???? What

[fading stratus]

I'd rate it

1. Meganium
2. Delphox
3. Chestnaught
4. Feraligatr
5. Emboar
6. Greninja

[fading stratus]

Yeah but that's like whatever

[hasty anchor]

So where does Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise fit into this?

[fading stratus]

Only good use case is like

[hasty anchor]

And I guess Sceptile, Blaziken and Swampert

[fading stratus]

Zard Y is the best starter mega period

[hasty anchor]

Drought's just that good

[pseudo goblet]

As it should

[fading stratus]

It's probably like

[hasty anchor]

I know Blaziken is excellent

[pseudo goblet]

Okay, do consider, Skill swap anything into Emboar

[hasty anchor]

...In single battles.

[pseudo goblet]

Thats not Mold lol

[hasty anchor]

Double battles really does make most of the things you can do less likely to happen

[hasty anchor]

Skill Swap tends to be too much setup, in hindsight

[pseudo goblet]

I did say somehow talk Bolt into use it lol

[hasty anchor]

Well, if there's something really cool you can give Emboar, sure

[fading stratus]

1. Charizard Y
2. Charizard X
3. Meganium
4. Venesaur
5. Delphox
6. Blaziken
7. Chestnaught
8. Swampert
9. Sceptile
10. Blastoise
11. Feraligatr
12. Emboar
13. Greninja

Probably this

If blastoise keeps shell smash it'll probably be over swampert

[hasty anchor]

Yeah this seems spot on

[sharp kernel]

Btw this has given me complete confidence that Skarmory’s ability is good as gold

[hasty anchor]

I feel like with Skarmory, it ought to be something related to attacking

You give up all that defense to go ham on offense. Why not something that helps with that?

[fading stratus]

Skarmory's shiny isn't gold

So it wouldn't line up

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-legends-za-shiny-mega-skarmory-around-the-world-spinning-gif-11372419926782751957

Now that I think about it, theres two Water Dragon in Gen 2 technically

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-za-mega-feraligatr-chomping-animation-biting-animation-mega-feraligatr-totodile-mask-stays-down-gif-1885938515683545438

I never noticed it had the extra mini red hands for fin

[fading stratus]

Oh yeah btw Zane

If you don't have a shiny ray you can have the one I have

[fading stratus]

also someone mentioned the moves having base PP in the trailer so that means maybe we wont have pp ups

5 pp synthesis would be brutal for meganium

In singles

[spice rivet]

@fading stratus need me to sauce you anything rn?

[fading stratus]

not necessarily rn yozz but I'll ask you stuff after champions
thanks for asking tho
it'd be cool if you had like extra dlc legendaries or gen 9 box legendaries tho

[spice rivet]

Kk

[mighty storm]

SHINY

[fading stratus]

rn I have like
Articuno
hooh
gen 3 trio
dialga palkia
heatran cresselia
genies trio
gen 6 duo (you promised xerneas)
gen 7 trio
4 tapus
gen 8 duo (you promised sword dawg)
4 treasures of ruin
dark shifu
galarian moltress

[spice rivet]

I know I have an extra Ogrepon, BM Ursa, and I should be able to get a spare Raging/Gouging if/when needed

[fading stratus]

I'll ask you when I get champions

[golden lance]

Ok so i'm looking at the footage again

So far there was no signs of the 60% pp increases

[fading stratus]

so signs?

[spice rivet]

Plushie mail day

Pokemon Center had a big restock on a bunch of the sitting cuties I wanted

[pseudo goblet]

Any Swinub 👀

[hasty anchor]

Ayyy Kingdra

[fading stratus]

mega snek

[pseudo goblet]

Mega wyrm you mean

[fading stratus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stealth-snake-1

[hasty anchor]

I would totally get a Swinub plush if it did exist

[fading stratus]

I'd get a spheal plushie if I'd get a plushie

[pseudo goblet]

Okay wyrms actually is worm-like/rayquaza-like, wish I memorized every dragon shape there is lmao

I wasnt sure lol

[hasty anchor]

Oh yeah, SPHEAL

Spheal for sure

...Although, these things I think are supposed to sit upright

Which would remove some of the charm Spheal is known for

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-spheal-rolling-yolo-gif-24805701

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/furret-spheal-quilava-chien-pao-chienpao-gif-5661076856039335580

@normal cave

[hasty anchor]

If there were a way to make Walrein work in a battle team I'd totally go for it

But its stats are just so weird

[pseudo goblet]

Pretty sure they re between Gen 7 and Gen 8 rn

Kinda curious what they with Falinks lol

[hasty anchor]

You have giant tusks that punch clean through ice floes, and this is what they work with

At least nothing's truly bad, save for Speed, which is just, whatever

[pseudo goblet]

Sitting Cutie you have ONE job, do it right

Saw this card when I was sorting last werkend

[spice rivet]

if MY girl👸🥰😍 and Mo Ye 🤑🤩 are both drowning 💦😫🌊 and i can only save one 😔☝️1️⃣ you can catch me at my girl’s funeral 😿☠️⚰️ revealing Wyrms in my hand 🤣🥞📚 ⛑️ and summoning tokens 💥 TO SYNCHRO INTO CHIXIAO 🥷🙈 AND ADD LONGYUAN TO MY HAND❗️❗️

[hasty anchor]

Just noticed the rocks are all standing up very weirdly.

Did Sonjourner do all that?

[spice rivet]

The implications seems to be its in like a meditating/resting pose

[pseudo goblet]

[hasty anchor]

Just, the rocks are all balanced in ways they really shouldn't be

[spice rivet]

I'm the CEO of the Swordsoul Bozos. (Its a Yugioh thing)

[hasty anchor]

Which is pretty impressive given it has no real hands to speak of

[pseudo goblet]

Gotcha

[hasty anchor]

They arent even warrior monsters, come on now

Though props for being wyrms

[hasty anchor]

Amazing to think these two were just bottom-barrel support until they decided to be two guys on one card

Teamwork!

[spice rivet]

I did actually earn 2 invites (Top 16d a Regional and won a Regional flight at a Remote Duel YCS) with Swordsoul and I terrorized my locals with the deck for like 3 years lmao.

[hasty anchor]

Ooh, neat!

[pseudo goblet]

So whose the bottom

[spice rivet]

I am very bitter that Konamis nep baby Albaz gets custom cards every other day but god forbid that Swordsoul gets anything

[hasty anchor]

Actually just remembered; there's spellcasters cause some of them were Dogmatika, which consisted of a lot of those

[spice rivet]

Ye, the Iris Swordsoul was the first Swordsoul card to be released in DAMA ahead of the rest of them in BODE.

[fading stratus]

yozz is goated

[hasty anchor]

Ahhh

[spice rivet]

And ofc Incredible Ecclesia

[hasty anchor]

Oh jeez, most of newer cards today are just very hazy to me

[pseudo goblet]

Tell me something Idk

[hasty anchor]

I can barely remember anything past like, the literal plague

But I got Rush Duel, at least!

[spice rivet]

I bought an Adamancipator core for $500 when that set came out lmao

[fading stratus]

Swordsoul was a funny deck

[hasty anchor]

Oh woah

[fading stratus]

I played it a lot during that format

[hasty anchor]

Oh yeah, those rock monsters!

I remember that. Didn't think it'd be very expensive, but wow.

[fading stratus]

also halq sword was pretty cool deck

[spice rivet]

And never got to play them irl 😭

[hasty anchor]

-Oh

[spice rivet]

I think we had 1 Remote Duel local lmao

[pseudo goblet]

https://youtu.be/PUp5w67Rp8A?si=UgAAznouCYDSm8jO

Close enough(not really) lol

[spice rivet]

Man imagine if British people were real and not just from Xenoblade

[hasty anchor]

...Y'know Entei I can imagine would have a very aggressive East London accent

[spice rivet]

My default for Entei is the GOAT Dan Green

I love the 3rd movie so much

[hasty anchor]

Oh yeah!

[fading stratus]

I imagine entei to sound like this

https://youtu.be/GOjNzHDtHJM?si=m-6A_JtR8-ptQtU6

[spice rivet]

https://youtu.be/alSQLUd64s0?si=RC4vnJCMTkRqSkPF

[pseudo goblet]

Let the man have his milk

[spice rivet]

Also speaking of voice actor's

Its crazy how everyone thought Mewtwos original dub VA died, but in actuallity, he is credited under another name and he was eventually found and now makes convention appearances etc

[hasty anchor]

Ooh

[fading stratus]

yeah I heard about it a while back

[spice rivet]

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0058876/bio/?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

[pseudo goblet]

Btw @spice rivet is there like, anything difficult with completing USUM dex for shiny charm

It should be easy with Pokemon Bank right

[spice rivet]

Not that I recall, iirc Mareanie refusing to show up for Corsola SOS battles was annoying but nothing crazy

Unless you also really want that Level 9 Salamence 🤣

[pseudo goblet]

Oh yeah that

Nah I just kinda have to change my plan and go for Kyogre hunt after I one day found Poipole No.1

The alternative was saving the shiny charm duty to Poipole run No.2 or Dynamax adventure, or brave through the 1/4000 while I still have run no.1

[hasty anchor]

Level 9 Salamance was amazing

I have no idea who OK'd that and I hope they got a raise for that

[normal cave]

Onlyjerry my beloved. Can't post him here tho because he makes sus

Very good animator

Very gay

A little too gay for this server unfortunately

[golden lance]

Yea chat yknow what

I think 125 wins per pokemon is a bit unreasonable innit

[pseudo goblet]

You gonna finish Hibiki lets goooo lol

[golden lance]

... Right

[pseudo goblet]

Excusemewhat

[fading stratus]

what 125 wins choccy

[golden lance]

Yea if all of the vp values stay as they are

[fading stratus]

oh the vp

we only know the winning rewards

we donyt know the rank up rewards

battle pass rewards

also there could be objectives

that could give you rewards

[golden lance]

I mean yea its a gacha

No world where there arent dailies

[fading stratus]

also it looks like rental teams will work

so whatever

[golden lance]

Anyway bolt i'm pausing legend trading for now, people dont want to give away koraidon for a shiny alolan eggy

Help me make a list of regular shit i need to get

Its like what

Weather setters

Grimm and hatt

[pseudo goblet]

Easy then, Charizard

[golden lance]

Kingambit

[fading stratus]

what kind of teams will you play is the question

[golden lance]

Well, anything i cant get in zaza

[pseudo goblet]

I kid, you can get charmander through ZA

[fading stratus]

because like almost 300 mons are viable mons

especially in ladder almost abything is viable

[golden lance]

Cant go wrong with HO early, i think

[fading stratus]

youd need whimsicott

[pseudo goblet]

We couldnt even know cause no format

[fading stratus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VGC/comments/1rzfbxo/every_goofball_team_of_mine_that_made_it_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[pseudo goblet]

But ig I best go with easy team lol

[fading stratus]

i saw this post a while back

[golden lance]

I think the actual question to be made is "what mega do i want to build around"

[fading stratus]

meganium is a decent mega to build around

[pseudo goblet]

Btw has anyone seen Nincada in Gen 10 leak

[fading stratus]

I havent looked at gen 10 leeks in a while

[pseudo goblet]

Or mons I’d like to hunt

[fading stratus]

one of the teams I see people talk about a lot is double starters

ie venesaur charizard

[pseudo goblet]

Ik Nincada is in SwSh and maybe BDSP but pretty sure best method for those two are masuda lmao

[golden lance]

Do want to give blastoise a spin if it keeps shell smash

[fading stratus]

if you want to give blastoise a spin get a clefairy

and potentially magmar/electabuzz

[pseudo goblet]

Try get another Gen 1 in that roster

Idk, Dnite or Gengar

[fading stratus]

Gengar Incin would be a cool pairing

[fading stratus]

Gengar Incin Rillaboom probably will be a good balance core

provided rilla is in

[warm sky]

Hell yeah

[fading stratus]

gengar did top a regionals paired with mfing butterfree

because you cant switch out of shadow tag

and butterfree just sleep powders

[golden lance]

Btw bolt did you see

[fading stratus]

still waiting to find out what I saw

[fading stratus]

tho I'll say

in doubles gren is probs worse than emboar

[golden lance]

Apprently when you tranfer a mon into champs your evs, nature, and moves get reset

[fading stratus]

this is such a singles coded statline

[fading stratus]

oh was it

I only saw if you transfer out of champs you get your old moves

but if you transfer it back in itll have same stuff it did in champions

oh yeah chocc

honestly get a palafin

only actual good water mon I've seen on champions is like dozo

and basc ig

do get a basc too

if dnite gets drizzle basc would probs be cool

[warm sky]

What if dnite has mega sol for rain

[fading stratus]

that would be peak ngl

[warm sky]

100% acc thunder & hurricane, effectively water stab

[fading stratus]

if it gets that idk if you even play a dragon stab

draco meteor is still a insanely strong move

coming from that SpA

like this is a decent set

or even espeed over tailwind

[warm sky]

Another option ofc is that M-Dragonite sets tailwind

[outer eagle]

Hydro Pump trust

[golden lance]

If i gets mega pluvia you might not even spec into spatk at all

[fading stratus]

honestly no guard would actually be sick on mega dnite

[golden lance]

And just run bulky offense

[fading stratus]

if it gets no guard

surely you run this

[warm sky]

I mean you'd still also have thunder fr coverage too

[warm sky]

Also pluvia?

[golden lance]

Latin for rain

[warm sky]

Oh

[golden lance]

[warm sky]

[fading stratus]

focus blast hits the steel types that resists both hurricanes and draco

[warm sky]

Fairrrr

I was more thinking it'd help vs bozo

[golden lance]

Shame you cant put AV on it

4 attacks dnite kinda peak

[fading stratus]

you just draco vs dozo

[warm sky]

AV as an ability

[fading stratus]

because it has unaware

[warm sky]

But tbh I'm assuming the ability isn't gonna be anything new because I don't trust GF

[fading stratus]

dnite has finally gotten the viability it deserves

so hope they give it something

good

[golden lance]

INNER FOCUS AGAIN

[fading stratus]

honestly even if dnite gets inner focus it'll probs see a bit of play

[warm sky]

Tbh I'm expecting multiscale

[fading stratus]

this is still like very good stat spread

oh yeah

you probs play heat wave over focus miss

if it gets no guard

because of the spread

[outer eagle]

Just play both

[warm sky]

Btw cool ui thing for champions

It actually does show the type change

[fading stratus]

the team preview for champions looks shit

[warm sky]

I don't remember how bad it looks

[outer eagle]

Clearly the answer is to remove Team Preview

[fading stratus]

this

[outer eagle]

Someone out there is using base Rotom

[swift jasper]

It's boombox rotom

They just don't have an icon yet

[warm sky]

Ye that's p bad

[warm sky]

Wrong
That one is part normal

[warm sky]

Okay Zoroark

[swift jasper]

Oh fuck it shows types

Sigh

[golden lance]

URSHIFU 50/50 IS DEAD

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-gif-22219180

[fading stratus]

you could somewhat guess the shifu based on team compositions

[outer eagle]

You could guess based on the moves shown on the sheet

[golden lance]

Thing is ladder never had open team sheet tho

[fading stratus]

@pseudo goblet is this legit

[pseudo goblet]

I feel false

For one who the hell name themselves HOME unironically

[fading stratus]

ping me when youre free

zane

[pseudo goblet]

So rn

[fading stratus]

yes

gimme my scizor emboar and rayquaza btw

[pseudo goblet]

Shiny ray Ray jumpscare

[fading stratus]

ye

[pseudo goblet]

emboar and scizor next, I need to unfav them

[fading stratus]

yeah sure

i got a scizor in go with my OT

[pseudo goblet]

why didnt I unfav ray also 🤦

[warm sky]

Personally I prefer shiny Zane

Ray I prefer non-shiny

[pseudo goblet]

you know If you want I could try shiny hunt tepig for you once you find out Emboar is still good despite the ability

[fading stratus]

I coild try build a emboar team for ladder if you want me to

[pseudo goblet]

and be bullied by Gatr lol

[maiden flax]

gren in singles is really good on the other hand

[fading stratus]

thanks zane you're the best

[pseudo goblet]

Now to give them the worst nature

[maiden flax]

im surprised you rate chestnaught higher than feraligatr for vgc
what's the specific thing chestnaught does for vgc?

[fading stratus]

iron defense body press wide guard

[maiden flax]

ah wide guard

[fading stratus]

or belly drum grassy glide

[maiden flax]

oh right since doubles lets you have a teammate set up terrain that works better

[fading stratus]

chestnaught sometimes goes bulky leech seed

[maiden flax]

its all fun and games until the neutralizing gas weezing hits the field

[pseudo goblet]

Name the top 6 grass starters

[maiden flax]

rillaboom is number 1

[pseudo goblet]

I wanna see if Sceptile gets kick if I want an all grass team

[fading stratus]

Venesuar is 2

[maiden flax]

how's meow in vgc?

[fading stratus]

meganium is 3

meowscarada is 4

[maiden flax]

rilla is number 1 for both singles and doubles which is funny

grassy surge goes crazy

[fading stratus]

chestnaught is 5

serperior might be 6

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/grovyle-fainted-poisoned-poison-food-poisoning-gif-4747930

Is Sceptile finally the worst grass starter

[fading stratus]

torterra might be 7

then hisuian decidueye might be 8

[pseudo goblet]

Two of my fav grass, all bottom tier

[fading stratus]

sceptile might be 9

decidueye might be 10

[pseudo goblet]

Browt somehow be grass fairy and be good

Or grass steel

[golden lance]

Just booted up the game docked for the first time why does it still look like that

Did i pay 90$ for a game in 240p

[pseudo goblet]

Switch setting maybe? Tv?

[maiden flax]

for singles its
rillaboom
meowscarada
venasaur (meganium might be higher with the new mega)
meganium
serperior (potential mon)

6th
sceptile or chestnaught or torterra
they are all really bad in singles

[fading stratus]

the niche of torterra is basically

bulky sand tomb leech seed

[pseudo goblet]

EQ

[maiden flax]

shell smash for singles

serperior can be described in one sentence "no worries, it will be really good this time!"

[fading stratus]

this was the top 64 torterra set which is probs more than the bottom starters

[maiden flax]

you know something funny i realised

the best gen 7 starter changes between singles and doubles

doubles its incin all the way

singles its primarina who has been solid overall

[fading stratus]

we all can agree that decidueye sucks

[golden lance]

No

[maiden flax]

yeah

[golden lance]

He was good in the tcg

It counts

[warm sky]

True

[fading stratus]

chestnaught has had some great tops in SV

[golden lance]

Now SCEPTILE tho

Awful mon

[warm sky]

Zane be the worst fr fr

[golden lance]

Cant even run its own signature move properly post gen 4

[maiden flax]

i think fire has the most good starters in singles

cinderace, the megas for charizard, skeledirge, mega blaziken

[fading stratus]

in vg
zard is good
hisuian typhlosion is good
blaziken has a good niche so its fine
infernape is outdated
emboar sucks
delphox is eforce spammer
incin is good
cinderace sucks
skeledirge was playable in early SV

[pseudo goblet]

so the usual

[fading stratus]

blaziken's niche is basically it becomes faster than scale shot user and coaching

[maiden flax]

for singles
zard megas are good, zard base is horrid
typlosion is outdated, hisuin typlosion is okay
mega blaziken is broken, blaziken is pretty good
inferape is outdated
emboar sucks
delphox is okay
incin is okay
cinderace is amazing
skeledirge is solid

[golden lance]

Didnt cinder have a niche after the gmax release?

Dude did have protean

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/gmax-cinderace-pokemon-gif-27096315

bets Metona typing for water lol

[fading stratus]

zard base has a internats win and multiple regionals tops in sv vg

which is like wild

because base zard is a gen 1 starter

[maiden flax]

for water
blastoise is okay, mega blastoise would be broken now that it has shell smash
feraligatr is okay
swampert is outdated, mega swampert is good
empoleon is outdated, but became a bit more solid with roost
samurott is bad, hisui samurott is amazing
greninja is amazing
primarina is solid
inteleon was eh
quaquaval was eh

[fading stratus]

for vg water
blastoise sucks wartotle was playable back in the day iirc
feraligatr sucks
swampert is just budget gastro
empoleon is sometimes used in pledge teams but I think empoleon;s middle evo has a regionals day 2 or sth
hisuian samurott has a few regionals tops
gren has a niche which is water shuriken your own archaludon thats it matblock was used in past gens but its not in sv
primarina is like the best water starter in vg
the gun man sucks i forgot the name
quaquaval has seen some play i think

blastoise's gmax is okay tho

[maiden flax]

which reminds me

shell smash mega blastoise is coming to champions

so for singles, that thing is hella broken

[fading stratus]

we dont know if it'll keep shell smash

[maiden flax]

true

[fading stratus]

if it keeps shell smash it'll probs be playable in doubles

because of +2 water sprouts

[maiden flax]

but shell smash was a gen 8 addition

so we'll see

[pseudo goblet]

Tf I just find in tenor mistyping 'blaitose'

[fading stratus]

tf vro

thats some messed up shit

so in terms of vg its like
Fire > Grass > Water

in terms of starters

[maiden flax]

fire ~= water > grass

for singles in terms of starters

very similar showing for water and fire

[fading stratus]

Incineroar has probably won as many events as primarina has topped

in SV VG

[pseudo goblet]

Surely theres still enough time for Sceptile Z

[fading stratus]

or even more wins

we could get sceptile z in gen 10

[maiden flax]

if shed tail wasnt banned sceptile would be amazing in singles

[fading stratus]

only good shed tail user in doubles is orthworm

its a pretty fine mon

[pseudo goblet]

Wait how many Mega Zs have we got, two?

[fading stratus]

3

[pseudo goblet]

Oh absol

[fading stratus]

chomp lucario and uhh

absol yeah

[maiden flax]

all with 151 speed

[pseudo goblet]

Pfffffft we both forgot

[fading stratus]

all 3 suck unless lucario gets some mega launcher type shit

[maiden flax]

they will be good in singles cause 151 speed is an incredible speed tier

[pseudo goblet]

Justified or what its called lol

[fading stratus]

this just isnt good bulk for megas

like gengar has better bulk

[maiden flax]

i like how bulk is more important in doubles than in singles

[fading stratus]

yeah

bulk is important in doubles but too much bulk is also not good

[maiden flax]

part of the reason why deoxys attack is a million times better in singles than in doubles

[fading stratus]

like the stall mons

[maiden flax]

in singles nothing can hit it if youre dead

[fading stratus]

ting lu is probably the bulkiest mon thats pretty good in vg

ig caly ice rider

[pseudo goblet]

Btw anybody knows people that makes Ash’s keystone glove? I have a dynamax band and a used Z ring, without pikachu z lol

Ops didnt mean to reply

[maiden flax]

vgc, having a balanced stat spread is far better than in singles where specialization is king

[fading stratus]

nope no idea zane

[pseudo goblet]

Ig I can compromise with getting Roy’s mega ring

[fading stratus]

Its funny that mixed is considered good in singles because of the varieties of set it can run while you need specialization in vg because you can be hit twice in a turn

[golden lance]

Unless you're flutter mane

[golden lance]

In that case you just get to do whatever you want

[fading stratus]

flutter mane can survive a shifu surging

[maiden flax]

mixed attack you mean

like iron valiant

[fading stratus]

yeah

[maiden flax]

who is good in singles

it's not always good btw

[fading stratus]

valiant has like 1 niche in vg

[maiden flax]

but it can be good

[fading stratus]

fast coaching

and wide guard

[pseudo goblet]

It does?? Huh

[fading stratus]

yeah

[pseudo goblet]

Oh yeah bolt I would probably stay around sun team

[fading stratus]

flutter can survive a tera fairy beads of ruin timid flutter moonblast with no buk

[pseudo goblet]

Forgot my own shtick

[golden lance]

Zane could you pls evolve my mons in the near future

[fading stratus]

non paradox sun sounds bad

[maiden flax]

flutter has 135 spdef

[pseudo goblet]

Which ones

[maiden flax]

the thing can take a special hit no problem

[golden lance]

I got like, a grookey and a cottonee

And a dreepy

[maiden flax]

it just lakcs physical bulk which is solvable cause intim

[golden lance]

Could also use a palafin if you happen to have one

[fading stratus]

it takes a adamant chien pao sword of ruin icicle crash

[pseudo goblet]

Hmm, rain then? Wait

[fading stratus]

its not bad