Pokemon

[sonic inlet]

Well, I'm at the camp

[ashen barn]

Ok, you caught up

[sonic inlet]

Just a heads up here that Odyssey got an update with bug fixes

[ashen barn]

How not to fuck up file

[sonic inlet]

also better to make a copy of the save file in case something goes wrong

[sharp kernel]

@fading stratus https://x.com/playpokemon/status/1933917729460801797?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Play Pokémon 📍 NAIC (@playpokemon)

New Calyrex form just dropped, wyd?

X · Jun 14, 2025, 4:01 PM

[normal cave]

Quit Pokemon for good

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Lmao

[kind vortex]

feels worse than either of the already existing riders tbh

ironically for a mon that presumably would have intimidate as part of its as one ability, i'm pretty unintimidated

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Argor had the defiant ability

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NAIC top 8
It's a shame that marcofiero didn't win his fourth IC title

Also no NA players in NAIC top 8 is funny

[pseudo goblet]

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[outer eagle]

4 Miraidon 4 Shadow Rider 4 Zamazenta
Perfectly balanced

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That's actually really funny

[maiden flax]

@fading stratus https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9draft-2385656828 when not bringing Dialga origin was the right choice

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What was the item on Incin? AV?

That took like zero damage from overheat ngl

[maiden flax]

av yeah

next up is this

feels like a mamoswine game

[fading stratus]

Honestly zoroark also looks pretty good

[maiden flax]

yeah was thinking i could score a pretty good kill with some disguises too

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Do you ever tera water ape here

[maiden flax]

hmmm

maybe?

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Fire also looks probably good if you can check waterpon

[maiden flax]

water pon is a bit scary but the good news is rilla and corv exist

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Hear me out

Swords dance rilla

[maiden flax]

ooo

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Probs not tbh but it's funny

[maiden flax]

no no

youre right

swords dance rilla can kill a good chunk here and it's faster than the heatran

the biggest problem would be the hydreigon and pecharunt

[fading stratus]

Also knock at +2 probably kills pecharunt

[maiden flax]

let me check

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pecharunt: 302-356 (79.4 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

hmmm

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Pecharunt: 390-460 (102.6 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO

nah

has to be 0 def

and at 0 def it out speeds and malignant is too dangerous

[fading stratus]

Aww

What a shame

[maiden flax]

160 def goes crazy

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Yeah

[maiden flax]

still a decent idea though

just need to deal with the pecha

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Earthquake incin trust

Incin looks pretty decent here tbh

[maiden flax]

its good into chienpao yeah

[fading stratus]

Knock spam is also like pretty free

[maiden flax]

though unlike chiyu chienpao does have coverage in sacred sword

[fading stratus]

Does low kick ohko

Pao

[maiden flax]

flare blitz does it and so does close combat
i imagine low kick would do it too

[fading stratus]

I wonder if you ever go low kick over close combat

[maiden flax]

252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 250-294 (63.6 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
stiill really scary if they do decide to run sacred

wait

forgot the intim

-1 252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 166-198 (42.2 - 50.3%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (166, 169, 172, 172, 174, 177, 179, 179, 182, 185, 187, 187, 190, 192, 195, 198)

okay less scary but still scary

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They probably should run ss

Since you can play iron defense corv

It also hits Dialga incin

And mamo too

[maiden flax]

yeah

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Honestly Dialga looks pretty good

[maiden flax]

dialga is in an interesting spot
they have a lot of ways to deal with it, but in a 1v1 dialga wins against them all

[fading stratus]

Dialga is also a good switch in to pecharunt

[maiden flax]

chienpao and ogerpon have fighting moves but even at their extremes they cannot one shot dialga origin but dialga can one shot them

and this is true for just about their entire team lol

[fading stratus]

It also resists both stab of oger

[maiden flax]

yeah

the only mon on their team that can realistically win against dialga origin in a 1v1 is hitmontop

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Idt hitmontop is fast enough to be a realistic check

[outer eagle]

NAIC? More like Nah, i see

[fading stratus]

[maiden flax]

its not so much that it's fast

and more so

252+ SpA Adamant Crystal Dialga-Origin Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Hitmontop: 151-178 (49.6 - 58.5%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO that the thing is surprisingly tanky

but that's in a 1v1 situation ofc

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The hitmons surprisingly have good SpD

[ashen barn]

Top is the goat for a reason

The only one of the trio to shine despite low stats

[fading stratus]

It has a worlds win for a reason

[ashen barn]

It was also used in multiple formats and had lots of placements

It wasn't just 1 worlds win

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In doubles tho incin just makes it redundant

Post intimidate

[ashen barn]

And before then, it still has insane stuff

Topmoth

[fading stratus]

Yeah it's pretty good

Topmoth was vroken

I think it top 4'd a worlds with technician

Or sth

Not even intimidate

[ashen barn]

Also, hitmontop has tools nothing else has

[fading stratus]

Intimidate fake out and feint

[ashen barn]

Fake out + wide guard

And feint + intimidate

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It also gets like quick guard

[ashen barn]

Yep

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And helping hand

[ashen barn]

Was used in gen 6 to stop Talonflame

[fading stratus]

Coaching and upper hand too

It's got very deep movepool

[ashen barn]

The thing succeeds despite low stats

[fading stratus]

455 isn't that low

[ashen barn]

By modern standards, without extreme optimization, it is

[fading stratus]

Stuff like indeedee also have like 475 me thinks

[ashen barn]

Better distributed

Still, point stands. Top imo is still good, it has good tools, incineroar has 1 over it that makes it a better intimidate cycler

Parting shot

[fading stratus]

Also better defensive typing stats better movepool

[ashen barn]

Imo top is a crossover between peli and incin in some aspects

[fading stratus]

Incin and uhh scary

Scrafty

[ashen barn]

And yeah, incin has better defensive typing

Scrafty is worse than top

Fairy x4 is just brutal

[fading stratus]

That's why it's between those 2 smh

[ashen barn]

Scrafty also doesn't really get that much utility

[fading stratus]

Fun fact scraggy is good now but scrafty is bad

[ashen barn]

While top is great at supporting

[fading stratus]

[ashen barn]

...is it because it's slower than Cali Ice?

[fading stratus]

Yeah

Also low hp

So endeavour does damage

[ashen barn]

Fuck off

Eviolite scraggy

Truly a world uh

[fading stratus]

https://pokepast.es/1a0a5946e092e354

This is the team

[ashen barn]

[fading stratus]

Yeah it's a funny Mon

[ashen barn]

The joke I made 10 years ago came true

A friend really liked Scrafty

And "with that fairy weakness, you'd be better off using scraggy"

[fading stratus]

Wanna hear another funny thing

Tickle whims won Korean nats

[ashen barn]

Somehow, I'm not surprised

Whims always had lots of tools, tailwind, tickle, sunny day, stun spore, etc

[warm sky]

How whimsical

[fading stratus]

I'll say tho mug idt scraggy is even the weirdest tech choice
Last year we had someone play Bruxish

It was apparently multiple people

[outer eagle]

Gen 5 Grass types excelling

[ashen barn]

Gen 5 unironically had some of the best grasses we've ever seen

Ferrothorn
Serperior (at least in gen 6)
Whimsicott
Amoonguss
Lilligant
Leavanny can be made decent and got #1 on showdown on a sun team

@sonic inlet good morning friend
I decided to take a look at the stats on gallade and medicham. GALLADE IS 85 SPEED. MEDI IS 90. And medi gets fake out.

Also I'm looking into volbeat or illumise as support

Apparently one of them gets a speed move that also boosts their accuracy

[ashen barn]

...Conrad the Fencer Farfetch'd has the bread item as its signature...fuck off

Also, about the bells for sea temple
They're side quests

[fading stratus]

Yeah

That was annoying to face Vs first leader

How do I unlock the second stratum

[ashen barn]

Go past first leader

There's a sign with "to 2nd stratum"

[fading stratus]

Aight

[ashen barn]

How was the lileep?

[fading stratus]

I beat the leader a while ago

Lileep was fine

I just bubblebeam'd it with azu

Multiple times

[ashen barn]

Tidal oneshot it
I got rngd hell by it (3 AP boosts in 3 AP)

[fading stratus]

What's tidal

[ashen barn]

Right, it doesn't have storm drain

[ashen barn]

Tidal Yummy

[fading stratus]

Oh I thought you meant you nicknamed your Mon tidal

That makes more sense yesh

What did they use

[ashen barn]

Pure power meditite

I didn't have that and thus I went with ddance lapras

[fading stratus]

I went blind
My only lv18 Mon was azu

Rest were like 15

Something

[ashen barn]

Which someway somehow managed to get a crit icicle crash through the 3 fucking defense boosts on 1hp

[fading stratus]

[ashen barn]

3 ancient powers, 3 omniboosts

Just my luck

Also missing sleep powder a lot

[fading stratus]

I did get a bunch crit tho

[ashen barn]

And I had the entire team with chesto berries

Because lullaby, despite being a coinflip spread sleep move, ALWAYS LANDED

[fading stratus]

It kept using confuse ray Vs me

[ashen barn]

But you know
Also this. 1 in 16 roll.

[fading stratus]

[ashen barn]

This was 2 hp

Any other roll was lethal

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Is it a FOE

[ashen barn]

Nope, 2nd stratum captain mon

And also something you can get

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Why is it single battle

[ashen barn]

Because I lost this double battle. It really came down to hitting 15/16 rolls for the W

Guess what I got

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Ah

[ashen barn]

Unfortunate timing

Oh yeah, also this.

BP low roll on a limping kingdra, 5/16 rolls didn't kill

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Oh the FOE

[ashen barn]

I won this but damn

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Can I catch FOEs

[ashen barn]

monk the meditite couldn't be asked to get 11 rolls right

[fading stratus]

I killed a stanler but I think second one is there

[ashen barn]

After you complete the stratum

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-abra-responsibilities-overwhelmed-stressed-gif-12597083

Me rn

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[ashen barn]

[normal cave]

[ashen barn]

Btw Medicham got really buffed in Odyssey

70 atk and 90 speed

Doesn't look like a lot, but when you think about it in pure power terms...thing hits harder than groudon

And it's also faster than a Gallade

[sonic inlet]

'Morning, how's the hangover

[ashen barn]

No hangover

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70 atk is like 170 equivalent no?

[ashen barn]

Almost

[sonic inlet]

nice

[ashen barn]

It's double after multiplier

[fading stratus]

Mug got high on playing odyssey

[sonic inlet]

And I still want to find out if it's worth using gallade or not, if anything

[ashen barn]

So if you have 70 base, you effectively have 140

[fading stratus]

It's not 140

[ashen barn]

But if you get evd, it's more

[fading stratus]

Yeah it's more that's what I'm saying

[sonic inlet]

Weird that gallade of all all things got a buffed follow me, though

[fading stratus]

I'm saying it should be ≈170 Base atk

[ashen barn]

It's from its class

[sonic inlet]

Ah, so a taunt

[ashen barn]

After ev and everything, iirc it is like 180

Which is...yeah

[pseudo goblet]

Mostly I really wanna choke a bastard lol

[ashen barn]

Thing does D A M A G E

And it's fairly speedy

[fading stratus]

Man it's a shame venonat evolved at 31

I wanted to use it Vs second strata

[ashen barn]

Yeah, buffed taunt

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/controller-button-incident-switch-tabby-gif-4954974068464913669

[sonic inlet]

there's a crown in the fifth stratum

Probably what this means

[ashen barn]

Meanwhile how tf do you unlock Brigit farm

[sonic inlet]

Uh... don't remember honestly

But from what I remember there was only a mini challenge that gives you brick break and shock wave

Flame orb

[ashen barn]

WHERE

Xatu could use the flare boost

[sonic inlet]

To the right after leaving the third stratum camp

[ashen barn]

Where exactly

Found

[sonic inlet]

[ashen barn]

Brigit farm is in charon btw

Home to eevees as well

Miltank rarest mon

You can complete a side quest

[sonic inlet]

[ashen barn]

Go to brigit

Free stuff and good stuff

[normal cave]

Eternatus?

[sonic inlet]

Well apparently this calamity killed everything

[ashen barn]

I should get a false swiper

[sonic inlet]

So probably not

[fading stratus]

How does the FOE santner evolve

[ashen barn]

It doesn't

It has 520 bst tho

[sonic inlet]

Is this also an EO or MiA reference, or just in game lore?

[ashen barn]

Also EO reference

[sonic inlet]

Neat

Ohhh

I remember now

What you said about Tokyo

[ashen barn]

5th stratum, checks out

Give. Me. A. Miltank.

I'm getting enough eevees for every evo

[fading stratus]

Well kinda MiA reference ig because as you descend further you get cursed

[sonic inlet]

I still want to get an Yggdreon

[ashen barn]

https://tenor.com/view/riko-anime-made-in-abyss-gif-11268388

Give me a miltank...

Also, I just gave you all ptsd

MILTANK, FINALLY

[sonic inlet]

Yeah, need to see where exactly is that Yggdra rock

[normal cave]

Yggdra Balls

musky rock

STINKY ROCK

[frosty ledge]

tapu koko zeraora feels really damn solid man

going on a long winning streak vs both meta and offmeta

you can rush down so many decks

[sonic inlet]

Well I joked about you but now it appears I'm also lost

[sonic inlet]

I still need a 2nd koko

[ashen barn]

Oh fu

Belly drym sitrus linoone

With bold follow me clefable

CRIT THEM, NOT ME, NARMER

[sonic inlet]

DAWN STONE

[ashen barn]

Ig omastar can replace whis

Or a special attacker

[sonic inlet]

Got sick of the thing?

Honestly I've been liking relicanth more

[ashen barn]

It's awkward

[sonic inlet]

Yeah

Yes I'll change the name

[ashen barn]

MAYBE keeping swampert in against a fucking grass wasn't the best idea

[sonic inlet]

Oh, raichu evolves in this game

[ashen barn]

OH MY GOD

[ashen barn]

We might need to consider a mon

[sonic inlet]

Gorochu

Has fake out and is fighting electric

[ashen barn]

Farfetch'd has 105 atk 105 speed and...omnichase

It's scarf in weather

Also has better weather ball

[sonic inlet]

You just need to give someone a ralts

For it

[ashen barn]

Chain killer is hex but physical flying

Chain weather is normal but changes for weather

90 bp

[sonic inlet]

Neat

[frosty ledge]

stopped at 9 win streak but honestly pretty decent

finally went vs a poison deck with 2 nihilego and 2 poison barbs and no guzma for me

[ashen barn]

You know
Gorochu looks great
Until you see its evo level

[sonic inlet]

Yeah

Also, dogmatika trailer is out

Give me a moment

[ashen barn]

[ashen barn]

Send before meeting starts

[normal cave]

Don't

[ashen barn]

@sonic inlet apparently Gallade is just sliiiiiiightly slower and less powerful

It also needs to crit

Super luck scope lens might be the way

But even then, you're gambling. It has sword dance and agility though

Imo it's good, it's powerful, you really need to go in though

[fading stratus]

realistically tho do you even need to optimise teams unless its a nuzlocke

[sonic inlet]

Well, apparently the game has a difficulty spike around the fourth stratum

So if that's true, I'm not taking chances

[sonic inlet]

And... yeah, I just want to know if he's worth it or I keep breloom

For aether I'll want to use Yggdreon anyway

[ashen barn]

Breeloom is good

[sonic inlet]

Yeah he's really nice

[ashen barn]

Spore is always strong

[sonic inlet]

And I'm still not sure if I'll be using jumpluff the whole way either

[ashen barn]

I'm using it because fast sleeper

I do need to understand how to use omastar

Swift swim star, being ghost water, could be helpful

[sonic inlet]

Yep

[ashen barn]

I do need to understand what it brings to the table

[sonic inlet]

Sadly grass flying is... not a good defensive typing

That will likely make him fall behind as we go along

[ashen barn]

Eh, with eq and utility, I'd almost say it's fine

But yeah

[sonic inlet]

Hopefully there aren't a lot of ice shards

[ashen barn]

I'm already looking at volbeat

Volbeat should have nice tools

Among which several useful tools

Like buffs and status moves

Sleep is insanely strong tho

[ashen barn]

Paradoxically know what could be good?

Mightyena with fur coat

Atrocious typing

But fur coat and utility is nice

It can have niches

If only it didn't have the 70 BST nerf

[sonic inlet]

Ig tangrowth also has rage powder

But... eh

I'll have to see the options I like

Bellossom sounds fun

She has +1 priority pollen puff

And a +1 priority poison (?) move with 70 power that hits both opponents and has a 70% chance to badly poison

[fading stratus]

its so nice that its gen 3 based double battle

I'm bulldoze spamming with gyara

[ashen barn]

Does she have rage powder or sleep powder

Because bello is a mon of all time

[sonic inlet]

She has sleep powder

I'd probably go with toxic herb, weird potion, sleep powder, and depending on the types of her custom moves, either psychic, giga drain or weather ball

[fading stratus]

I wonder do I play poison gas or toxic

[ashen barn]

Toxic

[fading stratus]

but poison gas poisons both

[ashen barn]

?

[fading stratus]

does it not in this game or sth

[ashen barn]

I need to check lots of stuff

[fading stratus]

poison gas has been hitting both opponents in double battle since forever

[ashen barn]

I know

But iirc it's not accurate

[fading stratus]

its 90

[ashen barn]

Damn

[fading stratus]

so is toxic

holy shit breloom is so broken

skill link with spore

and it has a 100% accurate poison move that hits 5 times so effectively 125 bp

[ashen barn]

I almost want to say I drop jumplu and medicham

And use breeloom

[fading stratus]

I have hariyama too lets see how good it is

[sonic inlet]

I still prefer adaptability mach punch so far ngl

[fading stratus]

shiny even

[ashen barn]

Can you please send me the stats of bellossom?

[sonic inlet]

Quite better defensively

[ashen barn]

VANILLA HAS 80 ATK FOR FUCKING WHAT

[sonic inlet]

Swords dance bellossom, duh

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does it get quiver dance

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[sonic inlet]

It does

[ashen barn]

55 speed still goes nowhere

90 spatk doesn't get far as well

Soooooo

I'd go full defensive investment

And rely a lot on its ability

[fading stratus]

whats its ability

apparently gouging fire gets multiscale d dance

[ashen barn]

It's priority for herbal moves

Because its theme is the botanist class

[fading stratus]

what level does xatu evolve

[ashen barn]

22 iirc

[fading stratus]

I should train xatu and hoothoot

[ashen barn]

Just xatu

Hypnowl hoothoot isn't too good

@fading stratus

This is Xatu

Electric aether

With boltbeam

And heatwave

[sonic inlet]

Yeah, it's just a healer that can do damage... but is mostly there to heal, put things to sleep or put toxic on two things at once

It's honestly not bad

[fading stratus]

where do you get nature mints

[sonic inlet]

You don't

[ashen barn]

There's Charon island

[sonic inlet]

You get a guy who sells you nature changes for 3k

[ashen barn]

Also Omastar isn't that great

Can you send stats?

[sonic inlet]

For omastar?

[ashen barn]

Because even with swift swim, unless it has phenomenal stuff, it shouldn't be worth it

[ashen barn]

Yes

[sonic inlet]

It's a physical attacker now

[fading stratus]

praise the lord helix

[ashen barn]

50 speed is atrocious

[fading stratus]

50 speed is just lmao

[sonic inlet]

Swift swim ig

[ashen barn]

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SWIFT SWIMMER

[fading stratus]

with swift swim max speed it can probably reach 147 base speed ig

or sth

but that sounds not that great

[ashen barn]

All I'm saying is that you have 90 speed swimmers

Now put those against omastar

[fading stratus]

do they have the helix power tho

[sonic inlet]

Well then

Off I go to get an oddish

[ashen barn]

Quite

[ashen barn]

Waterfall woods

I have like 2

[sonic inlet]

Ye

[fading stratus]

where can you catch a litten

[sonic inlet]

Only up to gen 3 sadly

[fading stratus]

well gen 4

[sonic inlet]

Yeah

And paradoxes and gen 9 evos

[ashen barn]

Only for gen3 and below mons

It only has evos for gen 1 to 3

[sonic inlet]

Also, gallade's back sprite is sick

[ashen barn]

Yeah

[sonic inlet]

Btw, have you found the third stratum captain yet

Because... I got completely lost

[ashen barn]

I am in a call

And have been for 80 minutes by now

[sonic inlet]

[ashen barn]

Done with the call

How do you evolve togepi

[sonic inlet]

Happiness

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[ashen barn]

Please tell me Odyssey has a different way

[sonic inlet]

I looked up in the odyssey docs

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Aight.

NO I EVOLVED INTO VILEPLUME

[sonic inlet]

[ashen barn]

Btw

Just realized

Slaking has 30 speed

[sonic inlet]

[ashen barn]

They nerfed its attack by 20

And its speed by 70

[sonic inlet]

Lmao

Truly a sloth

[ashen barn]

Jungle king having ground and fighting stab isn't enough to save it

[sonic inlet]

So there was a reason why nobody used the thing

[ashen barn]

It's only a bit bulkier on the special side

Oh nay cring

[fading stratus]

||HOLY SHIT YOUR SISTER DIES||

well it was obvious from start but I didnt think they;d do this early

[sonic inlet]

Spoilers

[fading stratus]

tru

I dont think anyone else except us 3 are playing the game tho

[sonic inlet]

Iirc Metrona was planning to?

Forgot

[fading stratus]

Its so funny that I have like 5 and a half hour playtime and I just entered the second strata

[sonic inlet]

I've almost 39 hours and I have yet to find the third stratum captain

[fading stratus]

how tf do you have 39 hours holy

[sonic inlet]

I do leave the game running in the background tbf

[ashen barn]

I play on real hardware

[fading stratus]

I also play on a real hardware aka phone

[ashen barn]

And if I leave console shut but not off, it goes

[fading stratus]

I just realised after saying that that you meant an actual gameboy

[ashen barn]

Should be turned off

And yet

[fading stratus]

understandable

[ashen barn]

Pride representation

I totally didn't evolve the female gloom into vileplume while not paying attention

Also I put weather ball on it

[fading stratus]

I think I have 3 male and 3 female pokemon in my team rn unknowingly

[ashen barn]

Ibupr

FUCK OFF

[ashen barn]

Is there any way to change sex in Odyssey

[sonic inlet]

Fuck I swapped the letters

[sonic inlet]

not that I know of

[ashen barn]

Leave it like that

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https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-ibuprofen-i-have-a-headache-meme-ibuprofen-meme-anime-girl-meme-mood-gif-17693332636758375379

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I'll hold onto this

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Hey, it's pride month, give him a break

Also

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Back to waterfall wood

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Why tf is both toxic herb and weird potion grass type

I wanted to give the thing helping hand or something

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probably woulda been too much of a work but it would be fun if the game allowed you to choose one of the 3 main characters ngl

well the 3 that travel together

and get story based on the character you choose

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The real question is why does it get weather ball

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why not

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Doesn't she usually get it

It also has chlorophyl

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She does

But the thing is

you get a 150bp under rain

That's coverage and a half

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I should start investing in actual strategies

and not just play 6 random mons

[ashen barn]

Tbh rain kinda rules

Then you have sun and sand

Also hail isn't awful

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sudoowoodo trust

does the game have psyspam

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Hail is snow in this game no?

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Nope

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No terrains and no expanding force

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aww

so its all weather

for actual strats

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Which appears to be permanent btw

In true gen 3 engine fashion

And it's hail, not snow

So idk how much hail strat work

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also the game doesnt have dynamic speed

that's kinda bad

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Like most romhacks

You need to change the entire engine for some of these things

And reminder that it's firered as base

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I just wanted my bulldoze spam to be good man

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EQ is also the only move to hit your partner

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they should make surf not hit your partner in gen 10

so we have a actual good water spread move

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Surf's up

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well in gen 10 i meant

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Muddy water

I may need a fake out or 3rd support mon

Wailord isn't really a support

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hitmontop

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I'd like something that can take eq

Or a fake out user or something with support that isn't status

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arcanine

gets intimidate and snarl

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Under rain??

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helping hand

you dont need to click fire moves

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I could try eviolite dusclops

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is p2 in the game

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Yes

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ig no TR

so p2 doesnt make much sense

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Still electroweb and icy wind

No TR hurts tho

I'm trying breloom also

As a weird cross between jumpluff and medicham

Skill link is an insane ability

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it also gets like bullet seed rock blast spore blast or whatever and arm thrust

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My moveset is bullet seed, spore, arm thrust and spore blast

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I had mach punch over bullet seed

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I wanted a smack on ground types

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makes sense

my team had like quacksire

so i didnt mind grounds

also gyara but it still doesnt have a water move lmao

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Mine is a rain team

But you know

No real better option so far

Ig I could try sableye

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whims maybe

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GEN 3 AND BELOW

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oh no whims yeah

ludicolo

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I already have bellossom and several waters

With swift swim too

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well ludi gets fake out

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Although rn it's less swift swim and more...ig it gets a rain boost

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This changes a lot

I have 2 grounds

I could swap whiscash for ludi

Whis is ground dark

Doesn't really benefit from the rain besides swift swim

And water as 3rd stab

Ig I don't use bellossom even

Because loading up on grasses

I KNOW

Volbeat

Electric bug in this game

With lightning rod

Still frail af tho

450 BST
75 55 85 defenses

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oh yeah btw

did they buff flygon

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They did

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It got quiver dance and 100 special attack

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Ok so

I go with Claydol

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they out here handing quiver dance to everything

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Pure steel with bottomless pit of support movepool and intimidate

Also helps I don't have a steel type in team

And rain avoids 1 of its weaknesses

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I'm still not completely satisfied with my support mon

So I'll check things out as we go along

Or... further down

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I'm going with like 1/2 supporters

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I'm not satisfied with whiscash either

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whats the 3rd and last mon

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Whiscash and relicanth

Respectively

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He's support

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Growl 😭

"growls in a cute way"

I might end up cutting whiscash for something soon

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Unironically he doesn't have much support

His support is hitting stuff moderately hard

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Icy wind

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https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-horizons-pokeani-anipoke-lapras-gif-14514214902664208385

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Does he get it from anywhere?

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Move relearner

So, memento vitae

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The doc doesn't say anything about icy wind

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Weird

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Yeah, no

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I have it

Maybe it's a move tutor

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Yeah

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It is

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Freeze mask is cosmic power

Finally something not named growl

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I... have found out that there's another path in the third stratum

In my defense, this place is fucking huge

Well I just witnessed a guy get mauled to death

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Ah, that dude

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Bellossom lived a leech life

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Well that wasn't too hard

That guy was a wuss

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I'M BROKE

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Hi broke

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Well that's the first bell

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YES, HELLO LOTAD

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Sorry, stronger than me

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if youre broke just fight in the trainning house or whatever it is

each battle gives you like 2k

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Ik

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Well, who am I supposed to tell that a guy just died in front of me

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Or mine

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Base camp 3rd stratum

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Ah

I went back to the guild

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And this guy gives me a tent as compensation

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can you like heal

using a tent

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Yeah

It heals your team and restores your stamina

Well, I found the exit of the stratum... but no captain

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Meanwhile I'm training mons

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What's your progress?

[ashen barn]

Base camp 3rd stratum

Cradle Guardian online

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Alright then

I suppose I'll have to wait

I don't even have speed up anymore

I do want a steel type too though, yeah

...aside from metagross

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Apparently this thing gets shatter shot

Aka special rock move with recoil

100 power

Thing's physical of all things, but gets special attacks

Tbh

It doesn't really matter what stat he uses

It's 70 in both offenses

And the signature masks aren't useful

Maybe frost mask for cosmic power, but no stored power

Imo just slap double screens or frost curse

And moves with secondary effects

@sonic inlet did you find earthquake?

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You need strength

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Rip my swampert

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Did you expect earthquake this early

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Back to training ig

Also can we talk about Ludi's disaster of a movepool?

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NEVERMIND

I'm stupid

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Mf doesn't get a move better than bubble beam until lv50

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I found where the captain is

Literally just turn right

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Both solrock and lunatone got buffed

...to 500 stats

Solrock is better

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Found shadow ball

Okay these steles are very interesting, but they tell me a whole lot of nothing

Ig I could've written what they all say to get context of the story later

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Where

Near captain?

I went to open the way to the 4th stratum...before fighting the captain

I'm finally starting to like the squad

It feels more cohesive

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It's on the way to the captain, yeah

You have to beat a gengar FOE with +1 in all of its stats

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Not too bad

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Does Gengar have shadow ball or does it levitate?

Name feels appropriate

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Uhhh it did have shadow ball

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Aight, time to lead claydol and set up light screen

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Once you see a cave after going right, go right again

And then jump over some rocks

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First I go get groceries

I'll get there eventually

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And I go heal bc half my team is dead and I forgot to buy medicas

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I did a great investment

99 ultra ball
99 mega
Like 20 moomoo milk
10 medica 3
10 medica 2
20 theriaca

I'm a bit broke but I found amulet coin

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99 mega?

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Balls

The same method I use in MH

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I didn't even know we had mega balls

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I just stock up once

...did you upgrade the shop

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Not to level 4

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You have mega ball from level 2

1st upgrade

😭 bro was catching stuff with poke balls still

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No

Did you mean great balls

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YES

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How much did you pay this girl to say this

Found a bagon

[normal cave]

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Your last 2 braincells are fighting for 3rd place rn

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No it was your fault, you called great balls mega balls

FINALLY

Found the captain

And now I'm talking to an alien

And we stop here

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I met her for the first time

AND HER NAME'S KITT

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Have you read the name of the place

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No

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Desert of Golgonda

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I never noticed LMAO

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They just decided to randomly put Kitt in the game

Not that I'm complaining, she's beaten Olympia as my favourite so far

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I don't have a fav so far

Let's see if it changes

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She's also aggressively italian

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Yeah

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ALBAZ LORE MENTIONED

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Ah so this is what they were doing before they found the therions

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Mayhaps

Apparently Kitt has quite a backstory in this game

Which... ig it makes sense why she already has that sprite

[warm sky]

KITT TRI-BRIGADE SPRINGAN

???

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Indeed

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Aggressively from Rome

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And I'm waiting for the italian

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Ask my Dancing King when he gets to 40

39

WITH 2 EXP TO 40

You have to be shitting me

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Who's that again

Volbeat?

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Ludi

https://tenor.com/view/tierno-ludicolo-pokemon-dance-gif-5816728887341424787

My man's got moves

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Ah

Neat

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Do I give him rain dance

... No because I need water, grass, fake out and icy wind

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Shame he wasn't female, I had a sick name otherwise

Dancing queen

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Well idk what I was expecting

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https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=YkLLcIKhJ64

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Did you get shadow ball yet

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I had to get groceries, prepare dinner and breakfast, wash everything

I stopped now

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first guy I've seen who prepares breakfast a day earlier

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Mainly because I don't want to wake up to my mother with "THERE'S NO COFFEE"

I still will because she drinks enough coffee for 3

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Feel that

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Ok, Gengar jumpscare

WARN ME EARLIER ABOUT SHADOW TAG

Dark pulse
Shadow ball
Sludge bomb

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Oh I never even switched out lol

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And tbolt

FUCK IT'S STILL FASTER

Even with 2 rock tomb

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It has a +1 boost in stats

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Noticed

Light screen saved me

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Neat

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New song through the fires and flames...

MYLES

OF COURSE

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Please tell me that there's a heal near the Captain

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There is

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Before an interesting cutscene

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Now to deal with the pest with confuse ray spam

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Going in blind for Captain

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Oh, already

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You are there, are you not?

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Yep

Just did the cutscene and waited

Apparently the captain is one hell of a fight, but... we'll see

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Apparently there's an entei

Oh, sun vs rain

Ok. No bueno

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What a banger of a theme though

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There are 2 grass poisons

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AAAA ENTEI ALREADY

My fish is fucking dead

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You only have that

Here they decimated my waters

ENTEI IS FASTER THAN XATU

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My own fucking EQ critted wailord are you kidding me

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ARE YOU FOR

Missed 3 times

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AAA

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Rock tomb x2 and even spore

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That's a scarf eruption typhlosion

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Yeah, I'm dead

I can't take it

I lost Wailord before sableye came out

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Okay, Entei finally died

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New plan

I lead xatu claydol

And instantly swap to Wailord

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Does sableye have shadow sneak

[ashen barn]

Yes

And fake out

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Ok, so bellossom is dead

Nvm

Both are dead

[ashen barn]

Ok so

It's not dynamic speed

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This fucking typhlosion

It's raining and yet it does a gazillion damage

[ashen barn]

Sableye has prio sunny day btw

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Yay...

I need to kill the typhlosion ASAP

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Tell him to stop going trigger happy with eruptions

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I should be able to bait both into pert or weak moves

[normal cave]

That's all Typhlosions ever do tho

They have one move slot and it's Eruption

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OK

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Hisuian too, so at least give it shadow ball or something

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Fantastic turn

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But yet, first time I wiped so far

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I was also talking about hisuian

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SCARF TYPH STILL OUTRUNS UNDER SWIFT SWIM MAX SPEED

Rip claydol

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Oh yeah, scarf

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O7 for our troops but I have rain and a very angry pert

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It couldn't even use shadow ball

[ashen barn]

Double switch into my other guys

Everything lands into xatu

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Okay

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FUCK

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She switched in typhlosion early this time

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Crit

95% ICY WIND MISSES BOTH

I lose

I needed speed reduction and chip

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Okay, gamble

Sableye will use sunny day here

And I heat wave

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95% ICY WIND

I lost

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YES

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5% to miss

I missed BOTH

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Okay nvm

Entei killed xatu

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I managed to miss double fucking icy wind

Leading to roserade outspeeding

[sonic inlet]

Only had these two left

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Eh

Lost due to crit xatu into a fucking double miss

Ok, sac claydol, light screen is enough

Because with screen, xatu takes one

And now ludi stops venu

Xatu can now outrun venu and ludi can kill entei

Or xatu dies here, it's fine

CRIT ON LUDI ISN'T IDEAL

Now for the question of the battle

Onto which is fake out

And is it enough to kill

LUDI HOLDS

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[ashen barn]

Eruption is now under rain

ROCK SLIDE 50%

Sunny day but damage is done

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And yet it hurts like hell

[ashen barn]

Typhlo out

And I saw through the sunny day

I landed ice beam

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How many left

[ashen barn]

Sableye never sees a kill

1

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If both entei and typhlosion are out it should be clean

[sonic inlet]

Nice

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Entei got eviscerated by waterfall

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Typhlo instead got hit by rock slide

And then kod

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I ohko'd both with earthquake