Pokemon

[vagrant steppe]

They mention he used to work at Devon

Anabelle is a cop now

And Tucker is... Fabulous

[golden lance]

How did the battle pyramid guy get the regis?

[vagrant steppe]

How did Palmer get all the dogs?

I also figure there's at least a couple of each legendary

They're like rare, but there's not only one

[placid junco]

Anabelle is both a cop and ultra beast bait

[vagrant steppe]

Also, Legends Arceus makes it canon that the BIG legendaries like Arceus and Dialga aren't actually the thing you catch

They manifest a percentage of their power

So your Arceus is like 1% of the full guy

[golden lance]

In what category does groudon and kyogre fall into?

[vagrant steppe]

I think they'd probably be either that or multiples

We've seen multiple Lugias and Ho-ohs

But they're more like regional deities

I think Groudon and Kyogre probably fall in that campt too

[golden lance]

Hmm

[maiden flax]

Who do you guys think will be the fire type for the new legends game?

[bleak pine]

Money's on Scorbunny

[maiden flax]

Like grass and water we can make educated guesses
Both on the obvious choice and the less likely but still plausible choices

But the fire one is a bit difficult

[bleak pine]

We probably are getting like, our stuff from Kalos, stuff from Kanto and stuff from Hoenn

[vagrant steppe]

Actually:
Mewtwo - Multiple
Mew - multiple
The birds - multiple
Lugia - multiple
Ho-oh - multiple
The dogs - multiple
Celebi - multiple
The Weather Trio - either or
The Regis - multiple
Jirachi - multiple
The Latis - multiple
Deoxys - multiple
The Spacetime trio - manifests
Arceus - manifests
The Lake Trio - either or
Heatran - multiple
Darkrai - either or
Cresselia - multiple, meaning Darkrai probably is too
Regigas - multiple

[bleak pine]

So we can rule out those for anything new

[vagrant steppe]

I could keep going with this

I assume the unova trio is multiple, but canonically we've only ever seen the ones

We know for a fact the gen 9 Legends are multiple

I assume the dogs are multiple too, but eternatus might manifest?

[mighty storm]

the hope

[vagrant steppe]

The tapus are multiple

[maiden flax]

Obvious choices for water and grass is snivy and piplup
Cause Franch royalty and Napoleon just designs themselves for regional forms

[vagrant steppe]

Hmm I guess Xerneas and Yveltal manifest?

And it's canon there's multiple zygardes

[placid junco]

yeah xerneas yveltal i could see being siilar to arceus in that regard

[maiden flax]

Xerneas and yvelatal seem to be only 1 of

[placid junco]

each of the zygarde cells is it's own zygarde

[vagrant steppe]

I think Xerneas and Yveltal would be the only others that manifest?

[maiden flax]

Since we haven't seen anything that suggests otherwise

[placid junco]

yeah

[vagrant steppe]

We know there's multiples of the gen 7 Legends

[maiden flax]

Zygarde is
A lot of zygardes

[placid junco]

it's just they usually manifest much more of themselves than arceus might

yeah the ultra beasts are just normal pokemon from other dimensions

[vagrant steppe]

And it makes more sense there's multiple of the sword dogs than there is a single almighty sword dog

[maiden flax]

With the exception of necrozma

[vagrant steppe]

I think the sword dogs are more in the camp of "regional deities"

[maiden flax]

Which we have no confirmation on

[vagrant steppe]

We have direct confirmation

There's multiple necrozma

[golden lance]

I think there is multiple eternatus

[vagrant steppe]

At least one per timeline

[golden lance]

But we only see one

Since its an alien

[vagrant steppe]

I think eternatus might manifest but the eternatus lore is vague

[long stone]

Zygarde Alpha i'm telling ya

[vagrant steppe]

Ogrepon is regional deities so there's multiple there

[maiden flax]

I mean if we are counting timelines that they all have multiples except the sinnoh quartet who are all manifests

[vagrant steppe]

Probably same for the poison trio too

[vagrant steppe]

I guess Necrozma could go either way then

I'd assume multiple tho

[maiden flax]

Hard to say though

[vagrant steppe]

He doesn't seem as deity as say Dialga

[long stone]

Zygarde Alpha is just a bigger Zygarde Cell that has been missing

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah, remember the only ones that are confirmed to manifest are the ones that are literally gods

Everything else has multiple

[golden lance]

Wait

If DPG are all manifests

[vagrant steppe]

I think there's theoretically only the one genesect but they could probably make more

[golden lance]

How does the sinjoh eggs fit into this?

[vagrant steppe]

Wait there's at least two genesect

[vagrant steppe]

I assume the egg just gives you a bit of their power when it hatches

[maiden flax]

No there are multiple
Both the movie and the games confirm this

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah I forgot about the red one

[maiden flax]

The movie has 5

[vagrant steppe]

Meloetta could go either way I guess

[golden lance]

Is there more than one magearna?

[vagrant steppe]

But I assume that meloetta is a multiple

[maiden flax]

Meloetta probably is multiple

[vagrant steppe]

There's definitely multiple magearna

[maiden flax]

Magearna is... Hard to say?

[vagrant steppe]

The ancients used to use them as servants

[maiden flax]

Like it's manmade

Oh wait nvm then

Didn't know that lore

Volcanion i assume is multiple

[vagrant steppe]

I think the origin trio, Arceus, and the XY duo are the only manifests

[maiden flax]

Though we have had no confirmation of volcanion

[golden lance]

Why the xy duo?

[vagrant steppe]

Although the weather trio and regigigas could go either way

XY duo have god status

Any legendary that's an actual literal god probably manifests

[maiden flax]

Phione is probably the most common of all the mythicals and legendaries

[vagrant steppe]

We don't have confirmation either way on the XY duo

[maiden flax]

Yeah

[vagrant steppe]

But it makes more sense there's only the one of each and they split their power

I can't see a bunch of Xerneas running around

[maiden flax]

We do know that xerneas and yveltal travel a lot

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah but it's possible they just manifest like Arceus

[maiden flax]

Yeah

[vagrant steppe]

Actually we don't know about the Tao trio either

But I would be inclined to say there's multiple of the Tao Trio

I don't think Zekrom and Reshiram are gods

[maiden flax]

What if zacian and zamazenta are just the last of their kind :x

[vagrant steppe]

That's possible too

I would assume they don't manifest

We know there's multiple cresselia but I dunno about Darkrai

[maiden flax]

Actually wait we do have slight confirmation on the Tao trio being multiple
Cause they appear for snacksworth's quest

[vagrant steppe]

Oh yeah you're right

[maiden flax]

Necrozma and the weather trio also appear for that
(Though we already knew about the multiple Rayquazas)

[vagrant steppe]

Okay so that just leaves the weather trio, regigigas, necrozma, and the dogs

But I would assume there's multiple dogs

I think the weather duo could manifest

[maiden flax]

Weather trio and necrozma appear for the quest too

And we know due to shiny Rayquaza that there are multiple rayquaza's outside of this

[golden lance]

There is also the possibility that like

[vagrant steppe]

But I also think based on the primal forms, they're just ancient big pokemon

[golden lance]

There is one of each

But they respawn

[vagrant steppe]

Nah, there's multiple during a lifetime for everything pretty much

Oh wait Tobias has a Darkrai, it's a multiple

[maiden flax]

Right

[vagrant steppe]

So yeah, I think the Gen 4 and 6 ones are really the only ones that manifest

And there's multiple of all the others

[maiden flax]

Shiny Ray has appeared on screen with regular ray before so they are multiple

Zygarde is multiple in a much different sense than everyone else cause technically speaking while all the cells are zygarde they are all technically part of the same system

Like a bunch of antibodies

[golden lance]

Anyway how did they get the data for yvetal's dex entry in universe?

The part that like, "if it dies all life on earth goes with it"

[vagrant steppe]

I assume that's just Pokedex exaggerating

Stuff like how magcargo is hotter than the sun

[maiden flax]

So how do we classify zygarde?

[golden lance]

Stuff like mag can be explained by the definition of a °F used by the world of pokemon being different from ours

[maiden flax]

Also I'm just realising there is one place which highly suggests xerneas is a manifest
It's Pokemon snap 2
The final boss against xerneas where it's literally slipping in and out of existance

[golden lance]

Snap has boss battles?

[mighty storm]

yes

[maiden flax]

Yes
Your job is to take pictures of them while they move erratically

[mighty storm]

https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/new-pokemon-snap/5/50/New_Pokemon_Snap_Screen_Shot_5-17-21%2C_7.48_PM_3.png?width=640

[golden lance]

On another note

[maiden flax]

And xerneas thing is that it becomes a ball of light
And you need to hit it
To get it to manifest itself back on the physical plane

[golden lance]

I think regigigas and weather trio might be manifests

[maiden flax]

Rayquaza is highly suggested not to be

[golden lance]

The idea of multiple kyogres and grounds doesnt seems right

[vagrant steppe]

Well they have primal forms

I think they're just old pokemon

[maiden flax]

Zygarde is a very interesting situation where given the right argument it technically is neither a manifest, multiple or singular

It's multiple in that there is technically physically more than one of them
They are technically singular cause they are all sort of
The same system
And they aren't technically manifests cause they aren't being manifested as much as they sort of exist like that to begin with

[golden lance]

What is the most like

Out of pocket legendary lore

They could introduce in ZA

[mighty storm]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokeverse/images/0/04/Blue_%26_Red_Core.png/revision/latest?cb=20180912183019

core bois back

[maiden flax]

Zygarde is essentially an immune system

For the earth

[mighty storm]

and yet zygarde hasnt helped with anything

[golden lance]

He deleted lysandre in the anime

[mighty storm]

at least nothing we've seen (anime doesnt count)

[maiden flax]

He doesn't come out unless he thinks the world is in actual danger :x

too many 10 year Olds saving the day for him to bother coming out

[golden lance]

Tbf like

When is the pokemon world in danger for a extended period of time?

Stuff generally gets resolved almost as fast as it starts

[inland gyro]

what do we think the regional starters will be? gotta be either serperior or empoleon involved

[golden lance]

Kalosian incineroar

[maiden flax]

I'm just realising this is also why we got more zygarde lore in gen 7 than we did in 6...

[golden lance]

He gets super intimidate

Which lowers attack by 6

[mighty storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1020096234968596531/1212114864957558895/image.png?ex=65f0a8ef&is=65de33ef&hm=605d65a56f2869f00172e222ebe48b8f4d18975a9388d09b894483306231ccbb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1547&height=967

[inland gyro]

why gen 3 removed?

[golden lance]

They have megas

[maiden flax]

Megas

[inland gyro]

oh ok fair

[mighty storm]

Already have megas

[inland gyro]

piplup and snivy feel like definites one or the other

[mighty storm]

which is why gen 1 is also cut

[inland gyro]

if snivy i can see primarina line but empoleon i can't guess another grass

[maiden flax]

Meganium and sobble can fit if one or the other isn't in

[inland gyro]

why them?

[maiden flax]

Mostly cause it wouldn't be hard to make something Franch out of their theming

[inland gyro]

cinderace i can see just because ENGERLAND rivalry

[maiden flax]

Flower and spies

Both are things that are easy to make french

[inland gyro]

meganium i can see in that sense but i don't really associate spies with france

[mighty storm]

gen 1/3 got megas, gen 6 starters are out if we suspect it's only other gens, and osha/rowl/cynd are out cuz of PLA

[inland gyro]

i can see inteleon getting some performer version instead

[maiden flax]

Then you havent looked at history lol

[mighty storm]

because they are for sure gonna give us a mega starter

[maiden flax]

The french are very (in)famous for spies

[inland gyro]

i feel like that go into rather adult territory for references though

[maiden flax]

I mean

[inland gyro]

though ig it can be just kept as like a saboteur

[maiden flax]

Decidueye is a ronin and hisui samurott is a murderous samurai

[inland gyro]

i more mean that like the history of spies in that sense is only really known through adults who look into that history, samurais are very well known in general

[mighty storm]

One idea I saw for a Kalosian scorbunny is fencing

[golden lance]

Also wasnt h-typhlosion meant to represent a tyrant?

[inland gyro]

the worst upset for the starters: water cinderace for that ENGERLAND rivalry

[maiden flax]

Wasn't it just an indistinct yokai?

[golden lance]

Dont remember

[inland gyro]

i can see bulky saboteur inteleon

[inland gyro]

BROTHER: fencing incineroar because he's a show man

[sand forge]

It would be stinky if we got Gen 8 or 9 remaster Pokemon already

[maiden flax]

Also I don't think you have to be that old to understand about France and spies
I mean
Look at tf2

[inland gyro]

yeah but arceus got gen 7 one at gen 8

oh god please no not a tf2 reference in pokemon

[maiden flax]

Tf2 did the whole France spy thing as well

[golden lance]

... tf2 players are old

[mighty storm]

https://assets.pokemon.com/assets/cms2/img/pokedex/detail/1019.png

[inland gyro]

LMAO

[sand forge]

This is more like Kingdra

Alt Evo, rather than a remaster

[mighty storm]

took them 1 gen to improve upon applin.

or if you prefer

https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/_images/pokemon/bloodmoon_ursaluna/pokemon-bloodmoon_ursaluna.png

freddy over here

[maiden flax]

Barely even a gen

[sand forge]

Anyway, it's going to be Special Chimchar with a cigarette

[inland gyro]

crap fact: kingdra is the worst gen 2 dragon dab

[mighty storm]

Wrong

[golden lance]

Summer

[sand forge]

Dragon Dab reduces the enemy speed & defense by 1 stage

[golden lance]

It's the only one

[inland gyro]

hits a harder dab

[golden lance]

It's the worse by default

[mighty storm]

Kingdra is the best gen 2 dragon

[golden lance]

It's both

I'll leave it at that

[mighty storm]

flygon gonna get a mega for sure

[golden lance]

Surely this time

[mighty storm]

[golden lance]

Wouldnt it be funny if they made like

A flygon trainer

A guy who only has flygon in their team

And then they just give you idk

A garchompite instead

oh wait

[inland gyro]

btw did anyone try that github page for showing fav mons per gen including type?

[mighty storm]

https://tenor.com/view/haunter-gif-26202782

Gengar heard it's shiny is getting fixed (aka it's got its mega coming back)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHXBVNdW8AAmbpz?format=jpg&name=large

LMAO

[warm sky]

if we get a les mis reference I-

no wait, I'm not taking that bet, Japan loves les mis

They would.

[inland gyro]

so they said this is entirely in lumiose city... so like how on earth are wild encounters going to work especially with mon variety?

[golden lance]

You catch stuff on the sewer

[inland gyro]

also is it two versions because it says release simultaneously?

[vagrant steppe]

Nah means it comes out worldwide at the same time

Since old games were in Japan for 6 months

[bleak pine]

Yeah, they've been doing worldwide releases since XY if memory serves

Used to, other regions would wait a long while before the games landed in their country

[inland gyro]

god its annoying when JP does delayed releeases

[bleak pine]

Yeah, thankfully it's rare nowadays

Instead, we just don't get some games at all

[inland gyro]

DQ10 rip

[mighty storm]

oh great I might have to go back to pokken story mode to refresh my memory on the hidden mega lore

[bleak pine]

I really wanna experience Pokken as well

Got intrigued by Tekken, plus it has Blaziken

[dire grotto]

Hey! Does anyone remember that list that showed the pokemon that could potentially get megas?

[bleak pine]

I remember seeing something like that somewhere, but I'm unsure it can be taken at face value

[dire grotto]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.BmjTJBzSgz1FFO-v0FK4oAHaGh%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=0b12ec33052d4091a7575991a328d83add354519337a77ebca263ae6c6c0b647&ipo=images

[void herald]

shouldn't flygon be on the list for gen 3

they confirmed that mega flygon was planned at one point but got rejected because they couldn't come up with a good design for it

[golden lance]

This is like

Ancient

Pre xy release type of stuff

[bleak pine]

It actually got rejected twice

Once in XY and once more in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire

Ouch

[fading stratus]

they'll reject it for Z-A too

[bleak pine]

The really stupid thing about the Flygon thing is: the one trainer that has a Flygon in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire gives you the Garchompite.

Which is just, yeah

You can probably hazard a guess that they might have intended for Aarune to be able to mega evolve Flygon, much like how Lisia can Mega Evolve Ali

[mighty storm]

if you pick up pokken dx we should absolutely have a battle

[bleak pine]

I'll be sure to let you know if I do!

[pseudo goblet]

@golden lance @waxen moat @daring pine @dawn skiff https://vxtwitter.com/ramawidjanarko2/status/1762532218923311496?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Kinda makes me wanna ev train a Cyclizar, even though I know nothing what it can do other then Shed Tail

[bleak pine]

It's a fast boi

Mostly it's got a lot of neat utility stuff compared to other mons of its typing

One of its hidden abilities is Regenerator, which allows it to recover HP each time it swaps out from battle, which works very well with Shed Tail and U-Turn

[pseudo goblet]

So lizard going for speedy tanky support

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-hopper-gif-23430465

[random stream]

some do assault vest, some specs, and there's shift gear but it's gimmicky

[pseudo goblet]

Gonna have to do things in order, Gimmighoul been waiting on me giving it the evo and training

@fading stratus https://vxtwitter.com/marie_cookie222/status/1762500114554462350?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Omg idk if this is real, I hope it’s real

[outer eagle]

since gen 6 got a Legends style game ig gen 5'll get a remake

god let it not be like BDSP

[golden lance]

it seems to be that the mega evolution symbol tends to trigger the fight or flight response of most people

according to reactions of the legends trailer

[random stream]

Mega Fly Gon Thank

[spice rivet]

https://youtu.be/lf0vEWUA9q8?si=mEgysESc9GnU1STJ

[maiden flax]

Empoleon for the nepoleon ref
Or Intelleon for the Franch spy ref
Which do you guys think it will be?

[bleak pine]

Empoleon's most likely

I'm still gonna perdict it's like

Chikorita, Scorbunny and Piplup

[tacit sphinx]

Game Freak would never give Chikorita anything

[bleak pine]

I like to stay optimistic, alright?

I like the little green dino(?) too

[pseudo goblet]

Same, regional for Chikorita would be nice, especially when a lot of pokemons have side-grades

[maiden flax]

So something I just learnt

https://www.youtube.com/live/Cbbxgf1MlBc?si=p7ExzIzTMyBquppO go to around 1:44:20 where they said

"If you want new pmd buy shiren 6, so we can go to the Pokemon company and go "see the kids love mystery dungeon""

[fading stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105292762565328987/1150624502724702248/image0.gif

[warm sky]

It's going to be Snivy.

No way they're not picking the OTHER FRENCH starter

[warm sky]

Random thought due to watching someone's reaction to plz-a

Do you think we're getting another Faller like Ingo?

Since the people I watched joked it'd be funny if it's Emmet, they both get sent back in time, but to completely different places

[pseudo goblet]

Then their descendants when in the past later comes together and give birth to the Subway boss twins

[warm sky]

You mean ancestors

Unless you're implying incest

In which case,

[pseudo goblet]

The process is

Ingo gone to past Sinnoh and Emmet gone to past Kalos > they start family of their own > their descendants met, fall in love, somehow giving birth to our times Ingo and Emmet > circle start again

Now I’m gonna myself

[warm sky]

Yeah die

(affectionately)

[maiden flax]

Like how fry from Futurama is his won grandfather

[fading stratus]

which one is fry again? the robot guy or just the guy

[pseudo goblet]

The guy who really wants to give you money

[fading stratus]

yeah its just the guy

the robot is bender

[pseudo goblet]

Oh right, he bends things

[bleak pine]

I can’t say I’m surprised

Well liked as the PMD games are they’re never the greatest sellers in the world

And the actual Shiren games just flat out don’t sell half the time outside of good word of mouth

Them needing a leg to stand on to pitch more to Nintendo sounds correct, as unfortunate as it is

[pseudo goblet]

100 FREE PULLS, almost every unit was in the pool, all I got from it was Mina

As in new to my dex

Every other 5* I pulled are ones I already have

[fading stratus]

gacha moment

[pseudo goblet]

Good thing there’s one more ticket pull, that lets me choose to receive Red&Snorlax or Lucas&Dialga

Didn’t mention Gloria&Zacian because I already have her

[fading stratus]

get dialga

[pseudo goblet]

Reasons:

If we go by the characters

I already have ‘Red’&Charizard, while I still don’t have Lucas- wait Lucas is Tech?? I thought he was striker, oooh dragon wish tho(Dragon type field)

Grand Entry 4 : Raises the user’s Sp. Atk by 4 stat ranks when it enters a battle.

Dang Red Snorlax was pretty useful as well, gonna have to consider later

[fading stratus]

snorlax is just fat

[outer eagle]

tbf he's not justttt fat, he's also slow

[pseudo goblet]

https://gamepress.gg/pokemonmasters/pokemon/red-snorlax

Aha, Sync Grid, Body Slam : Hostile Environment 1, possible Paralyz hack play

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/snorlax-sleep-pokemon-gif-10677184

[maiden flax]

Morty being popular in Japan and having 5 Alts in masters is cool

[pseudo goblet]

My favorite ghost type unit, not only because hes my only option but he just works lol

[outer eagle]

not even sure why Morty's popular ngl

maybe he did something in the anime or manga

[swift jasper]

He's cute

That's all i need

[outer eagle]

how popular is volkner

[swift jasper]

Ash had to catch a shiny to beat morty

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hellochat-morty-matsuba-pokemon-gif-27318856

[outer eagle]

man looks like an entire circus

[pseudo goblet]

decent enough I would guess, had that alt recently in Master

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/morty-morty-pokemon-eusine-halloween-halloween-pokemon-gif-10887235783819541203

Nah, thats this one

[outer eagle]

the eyepatch is a bit much

otherwise it's fine ig

[maiden flax]

Popular enough to get a lodge alt

[maiden flax]

Well it is a Halloween outfit

[pseudo goblet]

context for yall, chat/date sim feature

[outer eagle]

i'd be shocked if Flint is popular

but who knows

[maiden flax]

He is not

[pseudo goblet]

Nope XDXD

[maiden flax]

He has one of the least amount of content in the game

[pseudo goblet]

mf is lower than Volkner

[maiden flax]

Flint I mean

[outer eagle]

does bruno have any alt

cuz the guy is literally naked

[pseudo goblet]

one, but no new outfit

[maiden flax]

for more context, Pokemon masters has a lodge in which you can invite a character to hang out with you
Because this also gives them an alt and special illustration the only people who have gotten lodge content are like a few of the most popular characters, they are as follows:
acerola, adaman, blue, calem, cynthia, dawn, elesa, giovanni, gladion, gloria, irida, jasmine, leaf, lillie, marnie, may, morty, N, professor sycamore, raihan, rosa, serena, silver, skyla, steven stone, volkner and wally

[outer eagle]

iris the only pokegirl to not have

never knew raihan was that popular considering his brother

[maiden flax]

Misty doesn't have one either
Since I'm assuming you mean anime pokegirl

[outer eagle]

oh true

[maiden flax]

Brother???
You mean leon?

(whose brother is hop)

[outer eagle]

wait am i getting my swsh lore mixed up

i remember raihan having some kind of relationship with leon

[maiden flax]

Raihan is the super tall selfie guy a lot of people thought was hot

[fading stratus]

raihan is leon's rival

[maiden flax]

They are rivals

[outer eagle]

[maiden flax]

Red doesn't have one cause
While he is technically popular
Blue is the one the girls want the date with lol

[outer eagle]

i was going to say it's hard to give dialogue to one who doesn't speak

but usum kinda changed that

[maiden flax]

That too lmao

[maiden flax]

He's had like 2 whole lines in the game and he's in a lot of cotent

This was one of them

[outer eagle]

[bleak pine]

He said something, cause he knew nobody would actually believe Flint

[outer eagle]

for all we know he could have performance anxiety and being silent is his coping mechanism

[maiden flax]

Steven stone has the most Alts of any characters
Which would suggest he is somehow making more money than Cynthia's alts are

[bleak pine]

good

[outer eagle]

steven is probably popular across both genders

while i can see cynthia being primarily only popular with one

[maiden flax]

I mean he is extremely popular with the female audience
Like there are memes about how popular he is with the female audience
That's how popular he is

[outer eagle]

not really hard to imagine

dude has style and elegance and beauty

[pseudo goblet]

@maiden flax @fading stratus @outer eagle Checking on my Dex, help me

Aight lets see, trainers without ANY kind of alt, basically a second version of them

Blaine, Pryce, Will, Brawly, Flannery(wait what), Norman(wait what), Winona, Drake, Roark, Gardenia, Malylene, Wake, Flint(fucking 4 star), Cheryl, Marley, Clay, Brycen, Marlon, Shauntal, Marshal, Grant, Ramos, Wulfric, Wikstrom, Hapu, Kahili, Nanu, Koga- wait what, Cheren, Glacia, Kukui, Prof Oak, Fantina, Plumeria, James and Jessie, Lucy, Molayne, Alder, Bianca, Ghetsis, Maxie and Archie, Hala, Royale mask, Evelyn, Sidney, Darach, Aaron, Bertha, Lucien, Looker, Courtney, Ash, Nita, Naomi, Gordie, Melony, Hex Maniac, Hugh, Colress, Kali, Anabel, Emma, Ball Guy, Eusine, Rose, Oleana, Olympia, Drasna, Nemona, Dana, Archer, Ariana, Petrel, Proton, Palmer, Argenta, Akari, Rei, Lenora, Ryuki, Penny, Elaine, Chase, Eve and Petey Pokekids, Katherine, Iono, Grusha, Riley, Geeta

FUCK, ME

[bleak pine]

And a rock collection

He’s got it all

[outer eagle]

Iono is a surprise

thought she was one of the more popular sv trainers

[placid junco]

https://vxtwitter.com/ertdoesart/status/1762656373484233115?s=46&t=7Nuadq6xSKHhi2mdP1_6VA

Nature is healing

[pseudo goblet]

Yeah tbf shes new kinda

[placid junco]

Obviously faked corocoro leaks

Just like back in the day

[maiden flax]

kukui and the masked royal don't have one, I wonder who the masked royal is

[outer eagle]

2 different water starter alt forms is already sus

[maiden flax]

The SV characters don't have Alts yet cause they are still new

Nemona and iono are likely going to get more by the end of the year

[placid junco]

I mean it’s a blatantly obvious fake leak

The whole point is it referencing things like the mega klingklang back in the day

[pseudo goblet]

Also I left out Adaman and Irida because they getting one soon

[outer eagle]

Kukui is also surprising

altho that probably has more to do with how he wears things

rather than him not being popular enough

[maiden flax]

Ah but you see they do have Alts
They have lodge alts

[warm sky]

God I missed that era of leaka

[fading stratus]

no team rocket alt is more surprising

[pseudo goblet]

Oh right

[warm sky]

AND SINCE LITERALLY EVERYONE WAS WRONG

GAMEFREAK HAS MADE KHU OBSOLETE

WE CAN HAVE CLASSIC LEAKS BACK

[maiden flax]

The anime ones don't have Alts cause they were there for a special event

[placid junco]

Nature is healing

We are returning to the old ways

[fading stratus]

jessie and james are game characters......

lets go....

[warm sky]

No more creepy fuck-o and his bullshit riddles

[maiden flax]

Khu being so wrong with this one is validating

[warm sky]

Random drawings people post to 4chan and saying it's our new starter

[pseudo goblet]

Also I left out Masters ONLY Character, names like Lear, Rachel, Sawyer, Paulo and Tina

[fading stratus]

real shit

[warm sky]

Most actual leakers were like

"Well shit, we got played. Good job Gamefreak."

I can't imagine how much copium Khu is on instead

[placid junco]

Khu had finally lost his ecological niche to what’s functionally fanartists looking for Internet points

[maiden flax]

Caitlin only has original and halloween
Though she became slightly more popular in masters after the Halloween alt

[pseudo goblet]

[warm sky]

GF managed to spread all that fake info to throw leakers off their trail is insane

Also I have to assume that of the ILCA B&W thing was real, like Pyoro mentioned. It got canned because of BDSP

[maiden flax]

Here's the thing though

I don't know why people were expecting remakes

[placid junco]

Just “the pattern”

[maiden flax]

When ever since hgss remakes have only ever been on even gens

[maiden flax]

That's the thing
It doesn't fit the pattern lol

The people who claim "the pattern" are just blantantly wrong on what the pattern is lol

[pseudo goblet]

Don’t even get me started on the MC man,

[outer eagle]

the thing is, even if there was a gen 5 remake coming, it would make sense for gf to combine both bw and bw2 into 1 game

[maiden flax]

Don't forget all the other Pokemon you can stick on him

[outer eagle]

so it's more than likely taking longer to remake even if it was coming

so i'm not exactly surprised

[maiden flax]

But yeah
Since hgss remakes have only ever been on even gens

[pseudo goblet]

YOU MEAN THE 500 POKEMON HATCH FROM THE EGGS, AND THE THOUSANDS I RELEASED? YEAH THANKS FOR REMINDING ME

[maiden flax]

Yes

[fading stratus]

can you hatch legendaries from egg in masters

[maiden flax]

No

[pseudo goblet]

Nope

[maiden flax]

The mc only gets legendaries from special events

[pseudo goblet]

majority of them are kanto mons

[outer eagle]

technically you could hatch the gen 4 box arts from eggs through an event back in the days iirc

[pseudo goblet]

But not in Masters lol

[pseudo goblet]

Speaking of Gen 4 legends, they hinted Volo kinda

[fading stratus]

talking about volo

we probably will need to fight zygarde 3 times this time too

[maiden flax]

The current pattern is as follows

Year 1 Odd gen -> year 2 enhanced/DLC -> year 3 gap year/mainline spinoff (this time it's legends) -> year 4 even gen -> year 5 enhanced/DLC -> year 6 remakes

(Note so far legends games have only been released early the year after they were announced I.e. legends Arceus was January)

(Note: this does not mean they are taking their time with the games as SV came out the same year as legends Arceus, so they might still push it and release gen 10 in 2025)

The true indicator of whether or not they are taking their time
Is if gen 10 doesn't get announced at next year's Pokemon day

[warm sky]

I mean we can only hope

That the next game is 2026

Instead of them doing PLA/BDSP of 2 games

In 1 year

[fading stratus]

hope new games are actually fleshed out

and not just buggy mess

[maiden flax]

Yeah but there is a reason why bdsp was ilca and not gamefreak

We do know
However
From their Dev talk that one time
That SV and legends Arceus were being made simultaneously

[warm sky]

Yeah I know, I know.

But again I assume the outsourced gen 5 remakes got scrapped

Good to have you back Zygarde

[fading stratus]

Good to have you back Zygarde

[pseudo goblet]

Hmm, listing the Only legendaries ann Mythicals that hasnt gotten into Masters, as in no trainer with them yet

Raikou(oh come on...), the lake trio, Heatran, Virizion and Terrakion, Thundurus, RegiEleki and Drago, Enamorus, Treasure of Ruins, Ko&Miraidon, Loyal three, Ogerpon, Terapagos, Manaphy and Phione(ew), Arceus, Zeraora, Melmetal, Zarude and Pecharunt

I really should stop writing these Masters essays...

[maiden flax]

It's interesting how in lore zygarde is supposed to be present through out the entire world

[pseudo goblet]

accidentally my would-be partner legendary

Once again, I didnt choose a Z name and liking green just for Zygarde

[maiden flax]

Bets on ko and miraidon being on both protags
Ogerpon also being the protag and they will absolutely never give her to Kieran :v

[pseudo goblet]

... fuck

oh you meant not giving to Kieran lol

[maiden flax]

Terapagos though?
Terapagos could be a Kieran mon

[pseudo goblet]

Idk, I think they give pon to him because Masters isn't that obvious-cruel lmao

[maiden flax]

Nahhhh
They are that cruel >:)

[fading stratus]

kieran is just a big crybaby

[bleak pine]

Poliwrath

[maiden flax]

He can have terapagos though

[fading stratus]

dude sucks

[bleak pine]

I just like Poliwrath, y'know

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-poliwrath-victory-gif-19256088

get outta his pond

[maiden flax]

Actually no the most likely legendary/mythical partner for Kieran is pecharunt

Sada and turo might also get a miraidon/koraidon as an alt

[pseudo goblet]

Oh Man, which Paradox gonna get in first

[fading stratus]

slither wing

[maiden flax]

Sandy shocks is my guess for sada

[pseudo goblet]

Oh Jesus add Lacey asap, idc for Clay but I like cute father and daughter conversation

Wait, Larry

Mmm, hope they make him an flying type unit, I legitimately find no use using normal types except Palmer Regigigas

[pseudo goblet]

You know what fair, them being a Gacha game was the cruelest thing possible

[pseudo goblet]

@mighty storm https://vxtwitter.com/green4greeeen/status/1762492683824836710?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[mighty storm]

kitty ❤️

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/avhycch3x80kcue/status/1762817601384993066?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Okay this is definitely a reference to that Ultraman Z episode

Left guy name Z, right guy name Ace, the Z and A, also don’t ask me why they do flight trail like that

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/lewchube/status/1762612376925245613?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

https://youtu.be/Jt27fhgFSYE?si=Wc0xcuE3kVKPaeGv

[warm sky]

Yooo mark

[harsh path]

I remind myself that nearly every Kanto birb hates the rocks very much

[pseudo goblet]

Zapdos is the best one

[placid junco]

https://fxtwitter.com/assumptionprime/status/1762921881005400181

[mighty storm]

anyone got a list of all the mons in the PZA trailer?

[bleak pine]

https://www.serebii.net/legendsz-a/availablepokemon.shtml

Have a list of what's seen so far

Some of em were seen in the trailer, whereas others are just more or less confirmed via proxy, since a mon related to them was shown (like Sylveon, for example)

Pretty sure nothing abnormal was shown just yet; all these seem to be mons you can find in XY

[long stone]

this my hot take for today, i think the dash is going to be peeled up to reveal the mega symbol

[inland gyro]

still trying to guess how catching mons comes up

[placid junco]

i mean in literally every anime we see wild pokemon in urban spaces

[mighty storm]

Game: Is about making a city where people and pokemon can live equally
Players: "Where can we find wild encounters?"

[inland gyro]

yeah but to have only that

[placid junco]

I mean Unova had the cold storage for ice types

It’s really not that hard to figure out stuff for an urban environment

[inland gyro]

what i meaning is that urban does work as a environment for wild mons but its usually a singular one in a range of them and a pretty niche one

so its hard to imagine it being used to cover all varieties of mons

[long stone]

why ppl are saying GF are talking their time, when this is exactly the same schedule as legends arceus
it's not like legends arceus was a 2021 game. and BDSP was not made by GF anyway.

[placid junco]

Iirc it’s been stated that arceus and SV were in production at the same time

[long stone]

i we can't know, until we see if they have another game for 2025

and even if not, they are likely working on gen 10 already

[placid junco]

Probably in planning for it at least yeah

Working out designs and whatnot

[long stone]

https://youtu.be/seei8s1IzWo?si=DZHoZwxhonCT8RRQ

bro was on something

[pseudo goblet]

Kinda want these figure of Liko and Roy, I mean, I already got Ash’s

[spice rivet]

Some more DA shinys from a week or 2 back. If we had a way to reduce IVs theyd be good lmao

Also decided to play a bit after not for a while, I still got it with the clean 4-0s lmao

[pseudo goblet]

Shiny Oranguru > Necrozma

[spice rivet]

Pink Monki

[bleak pine]

Two kinds of people

[warm sky]

https://twitter.com/RhymeWithRay/status/1762522616575807830?t=L0Yvkwr0OFv-d2Qirkb7PQ&s=19

Ray₍ᐢ.‸.ᐢ₎ (@RhymeWithRay) on X

Pokemon Legends: Z-A
Prof Pinchot AKA: Sycamore's Ancestor!

Twitter · Feb 27, 2024, 4:58 PM

[fading stratus]

sycamore became a waifu

[fading stratus]

I really like oranguru
played it a bunch during Sun Moon era

[pseudo goblet]

@fading stratus https://vxtwitter.com/shiseptiana/status/1762878537848295706?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[fading stratus]

lmao

I still don't know why kieran doesn't lead with incin

[pseudo goblet]

@mighty storm so I was wrong about no more H-Voltorb 😅

@spice rivet

[mighty storm]

yeah

[west stratus]

A Legends set in Kalos

LIKE FIRE

HELLFIRE

[warm sky]

I don't expect hunchback of notre dame, Japan is more likely to do Les Mis

[long stone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/415052298956308480/1212832660385169468/Captura_de_pantalla_2024-02-29_193910.png?ex=65f3456f&is=65e0d06f&hm=7e85fd091f258e4504ab5d31e1b0355baa15a974e6ed199b2994c333345a4961&

[vagrant steppe]

What?

[long stone]

just dumb meme

[short heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/415052298956308480/1212832660385169468/Captura_de_pantalla_2024-02-29_193910.png?ex=65f3456f&is=65e0d06f&hm=7e85fd091f258e4504ab5d31e1b0355baa15a974e6ed199b2994c333345a4961&

[sand forge]

Huh?

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/tontaro_/status/1763359191505440796?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Long

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/rcitizen4/status/1763353463193587797?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

https://vxtwitter.com/bulbbyboi/status/1763244531737088289?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Doesn’t help that I recently interested in God of War 4 and 5 lmao

@fading stratus https://vxtwitter.com/mat4265/status/1763043133326041112?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

@fading stratus @maiden flax @outer eagle https://vxtwitter.com/absolutelypm/status/1763232396965716118?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

… I’m starting to understand why they finally giving us Tierno unit, even tho they didn’t do it immediately after they made his model into the game

[fading stratus]

adaman is just budget tierno

understandable

[outer eagle]

i wish tierno didn't exist so nobody can be budget tierno

[fading stratus]

lol

[fading stratus]

is that mfing young opal

[pseudo goblet]

Can’t say Tierno without saying tear ig

[fading stratus]

tier

[pseudo goblet]

Tear-no is what I heard from people and would say lol

… we ‘might’ see Tierno, Shauna and Trevor’s ancestors aren’t we

[fading stratus]

we could

[pseudo goblet]

@mighty storm @bleak pine https://vxtwitter.com/napopo3desu/status/1763193809033376061?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Actual babies, since they are larvas

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/choochooboss/status/1763012875428278508?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

@fading stratus The word Kalosian reminded me we might get another set of op past time Pokemon

[fading stratus]

yeah

regional variants is obvious

[pseudo goblet]

…also… is it a coincidence, that the pseudo regional in Arceus was Goodra, who was from Kalos, and now we get Legends Kalos ZA

unless next is Regional Garchomp, now I think Regional form of Pseudo legendary are hint for next Legends game

[fading stratus]

yeah its a coincidence

or more like goodra was the worst pseudo

so they gave it a fix

then made another better pseudo a gen later lol with same typing

[warm sky]

I already saw

[pseudo goblet]

Saw this again, I mean, Giovanni

Also he has 5 alt, 4 in his usual suit, and one this

Guess his partner pokemon

That new photoshop feature in Masters is a mistake… I’m not joking for once… https://vxtwitter.com/pokereo33/status/1763020214051189135?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

This is like the third time I saw super messed up photos from it

Pon Plush https://vxtwitter.com/pokemon_cojp/status/1763444058184110523?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[kind vortex]

give the masses an editing tool and they'll find a way to shitpost with it

[pseudo goblet]

[fading stratus]

is that haloween special or sth

[pseudo goblet]

Sygna Suit

[fading stratus]

for persian?

[pseudo goblet]

Persian was his weakest

Ohhhhh you know, I forgot, THIS Giovanni actually wearing his old suit

[pseudo goblet]

the other three is the Team Rainbow Rocket suit

I forgot there was some trainers get to wear their old design outfits, Like Blue, Misty and Red

[fading stratus]

surely rhydon woulda gotten a sygna suit over nidoking

[pseudo goblet]

Ah, That one I don't have, sorry champ lol

I think he was in a banner, when there was a popular banner beside

Mewtwo and Nidoking each became second strongest in my psychic and 'poison' units after Lana&Tapu Lele and Looker/Iris&Naganedel

Wait Giovanni&Rhydon has the famous surf

didn't know it can learn Icy Wind tho lol

[mighty storm]

awwwww

[random stream]

glim Lysandre is very funny

[sleek sky]

https://x.com/smogonu/status/1763595048657252353

Smogon University (@SmogonU) on X

New year is marching on and it's time for another round of tier shifts!

More usage stats and information here: https://t.co/XEPAUNFRpA

Twitter · Mar 1, 2024, 4:00 PM

Deoxys-Speed is UU

[fading stratus]

what losing spore does to a mf

amoongus in ru

lan t survives another month

oh its top 10 now

gen 9 zu looks fun ngl

[sleek sky]

It's overtaken Gliscor

[fading stratus]

yeah that's surprisng

isnt gliscor better because bulky poison heal

[sleek sky]

It can be immensely passive, especially if you EV it to be bulky

Depending on the utility moves you choose, Gliscor can be walled relatively easily

[fading stratus]

also monke dropped NU so officially worse of the 3 in singles

[vagrant steppe]

Dude had one gimmick in OU:

Sets rocks and spikes

Or spikes twice

That's all he does

When I see a Deoxys lead, I know it's setting hazards and dying

[crimson moat]

S-Deoxys in UU

"Oh wow, good for D-Deoxys to have that role a-

D-Deoxys in RU

[outer eagle]

[random stream]

Sigh

I miss ferrothorn

[outer eagle]

Lando rising back into top 10 is unexpected but welcomed nonetheless

wait Gliscor fell lower than Lando

[crimson moat]

Is Deoxys fallin mainly a result of being outdone by the vomitting hazard rock?

(Glimmora)

[random stream]

Sadly there's a lot of better leads yeah

[outer eagle]

that's...surprising to hear considering Taunt + Spikes + sky high offenses is the premier hallmark of a good suicide lead, which Deo-S has

[crimson moat]

Also JFC Garchomp on 50% usage in UU

[outer eagle]

tbf Lando got to about 70% in gen 8 once

[sleek sky]

Glimmora gets up Toxic Spikes without doing anything
It can click Rocks and then beat on people with 130 SpA Earth Power

[outer eagle]

this is fine

[outer eagle]

Heatran boutta visit UU again at this rate

[maiden flax]

This month has spots for 2 more mons due to arch ban

Wait 3 more

3 more slots due to arch ban

[crimson moat]

Iron Boulder rn

[maiden flax]

Nah with rain gone he's back in the rise

[crimson moat]

Also wait Mamoswine to UU

[outer eagle]

i remember getting memed on on reddit for suggesting Lando would run Grass Knot but here we are

[vagrant steppe]

That and Gliscor can do spikes and rocks and survive more than 1 hit

And has earthquake

Gliscor does everything Deoxys does, better

[outer eagle]

i mean tbf comparing a traditional hazard stacker with a suicide lead isn't exactly fair

although i suppose if you were playing HO you'd rather just play Rain (or Sun even)

instead of Deo-S lead

[vagrant steppe]

I mean you'd also want your suicide lead to do more than just 2 layers of spikes

[outer eagle]

well the idea used to be exerting enough pressure that the opponent either has no opportunity to spin/defog, or they give up something massive to do so, while you yourself also denied the opponent's hazards

but current powercreep does make it so that things are both stronger and bulkier

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah I get the idea behind Deoxys-s but it's just not there now

Which is a CRAZY fucking statement

[outer eagle]

even a STAB Psycho Boost can be tanked by quite a few mons neutrally

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah, it's just not there anymore

[outer eagle]

which is uhh...not ideal ig

[vagrant steppe]

Fucking powercreep

I feel like if we got Deoxys-S last gen, he would have been an OU staple

[maiden flax]

A better comparison is glimmora

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah true. Glimmora does the job better too

I just briefly forgot glimmora existed

[maiden flax]

Glimmora is the suicide lead

With hisui samurott being the next best suicide lead

[long stone]

we should get Mega Deoxys

it could have 3 total froms

Mega Deoxys, X, Y, and Z

[warm sky]

https://twitter.com/DTierTL/status/1763377075015004244?t=DUb_N4txIWBkh8OzWE6-Sw&s=19

D Tier Translator (JP to EN) (@DTierTL) on X

Twitter · Mar 1, 2024, 1:33 AM

[bleak pine]

[obsidian juniper]

https://vxtwitter.com/Matropical/status/1762756055547945279?s=20

[long stone]

Dumb take on the "A" Legendary

Agdrostage the World Pokemon

Legends speak of a mysterious Pokémon adorned with a  massive flower bud on its back. This bud is believed to symbolize the world itself. Whispers warn that should this bud ever bloom, the world will be consumed by an unstoppable apocalypse. Few have encountered this elusive Pokémon, and its true power remains a mystery, hidden behind a veil of uncertainty.

[pseudo goblet]

Oh come on, Kilowattrel outbreak but I want Wattrel

Good for ev training I’m about to do I guess

Oh shit, Swinub and Sewaddle outbreak, might try shiny hunt

[mighty storm]

Put together a few sample teams for ZA

left space for 1 new mon, and made the team of safe assumptions (Mega lines, kalos pokemon, and eevee)

[bleak pine]

Yeaaa Weedle

[mighty storm]

and each team includes at least 1 mega capable pokemon (in fact 2 of them have 2)

[golden lance]

Did people even use set teams for legends arceus?

Considering the story only had 1 trainer battle you needed to have a team for and the game wanted you to switch mons around for dex completion

[mighty storm]

https://tenor.com/view/espurr-pokemon-epsurr-walk-gif-27316687

Espurr on their way to carrying the fire team against fighting types

[bleak pine]

Nope, a lot of my experience was catching a bunch of stuff and swapping between mons

Legends did a pretty good job at letting you experience catching, adventuring and battling with a variety, since the bulk of research in order to fill out pages of the Pokedex revolves around seeing what they are capable of

Of course once constant of mine was big bear Ursaluna, and Weavile

[pseudo goblet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ej4H1On44oc?feature=shared

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/vivivoovoo/status/1763978664860164374?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[pseudo goblet]

@mighty storm @spice rivet Finally, I have all three shiny of the pokeball imposters, I can finally go online lmao

Oooh new baby girl have Effect Spore, @fading stratus that’s good for Amoonguss right?

[fading stratus]

regen is better

effect spore isn't really awful

but its worse of the 2

(regen is hidden)

[pseudo goblet]

Noted

Also, finally get to evolve a Gimmighoul, gave it, Armarouge and a Goodra in making max sp atk ev

[fading stratus]

wanna know a funny armarogue strat

[pseudo goblet]

Love to, I was just deciding if I should give it sp def or spd ev

Also, feels nice listen roam form Gimmighoul and doesn’t feel annoyed it’s wasted, because no more than 999 coins lol

[fading stratus]

basically you pair shell armour armarogue holding weakness policy up with iron chicken
iron chicken is really fast so you can flip turn on your own armarogue which would trigger the weakness policy that armarogue is holding also boost your speed by 1.5x because weak armor
you send indeedee F which has psychic surge which makes the next attack that armarogue will use (expanding force) a double target move and boost its power by 1.5x (not 1.3x like other moves)

but only really applicable in double battles in dlc2

[pseudo goblet]

Iron chicken???

Bundle??

[fading stratus]

yes

[pseudo goblet]

Oh cool lol

[fading stratus]

this strategy is called psychic spam or psyspam in short and one of the strategy that people really hated in early scarlet/violet

[pseudo goblet]

[pseudo goblet]

Btw, by Shell Amor you mean Weak Armor?

[fading stratus]

yeah weak armor

[pseudo goblet]

Oh wow, my shiny luck might be on par with you now @mighty storm

No sandwich

I don’t even know how many encounter was that, totally was trying to wipe these birds out- and testing my luck, it actually gave me something lmao

Pretty sure it is over 60, so I did have boost

Still would’ve prefer get it as a baby Wattrel, but I’ll take it, at least now I have a Shiny Kilowattrel

Oh with Timid too, That’s perfect,

Definitely slightly better than my first Wattrel, who has Quiet nature 😅😅

[inland gyro]

wait sorry what is this like the typings with them?

[fading stratus]

starter type + rest of the team

[inland gyro]

why is the rest of that fixed by starter?

[fading stratus]

she's just planning her team

[inland gyro]

oh

still trying to figure out how they will do wild areas since urban feels like its going to be very limited for them all

[mighty storm]

nice

[mighty storm]

team planning, different team for each of the basic starter types. Notice how each one has at least 1 counter to the starter type strong against the listed type (Litleo counters grass, helioptile counters water, clauncher counters fire)

not taking into consideration the starters secondary type cuz no way of knowing till the starters are revealed

[pseudo goblet]

@mighty storm quick question, will outbreaks stay the same if I turn back time like an hour?

[mighty storm]

I think they change if you try

[pseudo goblet]

[pseudo goblet]

OH! Yes the Swinub Outbreak stayed!

[mighty storm]

yay

[pseudo goblet]

Which, btw just seeing and being around 10 of these piggy feels like heaven to me

Like that’s actually my first thought

Oh man, if I found a shiny Swinub I am so calling it Mint

The shiny giving me mint chocolate vibe

[pseudo goblet]

Caught the Shiny in a Nest ball- and it has Modest 😅

Oblivious too, I mean, is it better than Thick Fat??

Oh Thick Fat is Hidden Ability

[mighty storm]

I think I have a shiny one in the line on PLA

[maiden flax]

Flygon was OU in gen 4?

Huh

Would you look at that

[sleek sky]

Helped by Garchomp being Ubers

[bleak pine]

Ice to Meet You

[kind vortex]

freeze-dry is anti-water coverage so you can't say it runs no coverage

[bleak pine]

Imagine someone Terastalized Garchomp into a Water-type... and then gets hit by Freeze-Dry

[fading stratus]

yeah it was a really cool team

but it wasn't really a regionals per say it was a "Special event"

[spice rivet]

Ice go Brrrrr 🥶

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/_EliteRobo/status/1763300710236467558

EliteRobo (@_EliteRobo) on X

Here's some mice- A lot of them, actually...

It's Mega Maushold!

Now being Normal/Ghost type, it consists of many Maushold who formed a hivemind, controlled by the originally evolved Maushold!

(1/2)
#PokemonLegendsZA #pokemon #fakemon #pokemonfanart #MegaEvolution

Twitter · Feb 29, 2024, 8:30 PM

spectriate is ghost glaciate

[spice rivet]

Decided to do my first Koko raid on a whim tonight and I got rewarded lmao

[fading stratus]

I miss koko

its been a while since we had koko

[spice rivet]

I wish the Tapus were in SV. I miss Tapu Fini so much

[mighty storm]

maybe they will be in pza

[spice rivet]

I dont expect PLZA to have VGC format though, thats the main reason I miss the Tapus.

[pseudo goblet]

Fifth member to their group

Like Enamorus

[mighty storm]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[pseudo goblet]

@fading stratus … idea, y’all remember the Z move ‘Guardian of Alola’ right, the one exclusive to Tapus, what if they did make a fifth Tapu, and they can form the giant of light and each of them place onto each limbs, megazord style

Bulu and Fini is definitely the two bottom parts

Just so we re clear, even I think this idea is way too ridiculous, especially because it’s Kalos lmao

[outer eagle]

i want Tapus in SV so that Future Paradox mons can have an actual terrain setter for their team instead of...whatever Pincurchin is

[bleak pine]

Alright posting here in case I am correct

[mighty storm]

https://tenor.com/view/pincurchin-pokemon-trainer-sea-urchin-bachinuni-gif-6564362823466566629

[bleak pine]

Latias and Latios

And then there’s a third Eon Pokémon

[mighty storm]

Pin cushion sea urchin fren

[bleak pine]

Bean fren

Don’t touch those spines tho

[spice rivet]

Big same, cant wait for the Ubers metagame to start to see how Miraidon boost the other future Paradox mons

[mighty storm]

Hey so ya know how arceus gave us a phone in PLA?

Do you think zygarde will give us a cellphone?

https://assetsio.reedpopcdn.com/pokemon-sun-and-moon-zygarde-cell-core-locations-list-4925-147948801267.png?width=1200&height=1200&fit=bounds&quality=70&format=jpg&auto=webp

[pseudo goblet]

Hexagonal shape phone I guess

[fading stratus]

one of my fav z moves

[pseudo goblet]

@fading stratus @mighty storm @bleak pine question, would it have been neat, if ZA is both Kalos AND Unova, i mean, so far we can only confirm it has Luminose, but what if- idk, game starts off from Unova and working to Kalos as game goes on

I mean, Gen 2 was literally Kanto and Johto

Two region in one game

[outer eagle]

always find it funny how there's almost no reason to use Guardian of Alola in Singles over Nature Madness

waste of a Z-Move for extremely minimal benefits

[pseudo goblet]

Heck even now, we sort of get to visit Spain, Japan(?), and US in SV DLC

[outer eagle]

i mean they did say it was restricted to just Lumiose

signs aint great that they're investing heavy effort here

[pseudo goblet]

If that is the case, leaker trolls : P

[outer eagle]

much less expand and connect a whole nother region

[pseudo goblet]

Idk man, small part of me is expecting that ZA isn’t so simple

[fading stratus]

might not be

maybe in the future the whole region is called lumiose

[pseudo goblet]

Hmm, similar thing with Almigty Sinnoh, interesting

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/pokemon_airy/status/1764398885156560951?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[pseudo goblet]

Okay twitter is nice enough to give me two of my favorite birds today

https://vxtwitter.com/syurigame/status/1764252860093743229?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[fading stratus]

[pseudo goblet]

Trying to catch up on the Venusaur raid, well aint this a way to give me reason train up a H-Goodra, when I was ev training my K-Goodra yesterday lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoFDaSpB2A

[pseudo goblet]

GODDDDDD I forgot how beautiful Legends Arceus is, Jesus

And the sense of Pokémon is out to kill me is back too 😅

[crimson moat]

https://twitter.com/voidroonil/status/1764361312119779394

https://twitter.com/TAHK0/status/1764452598659068018

skipppppy (Comms open!!!) (@voidroonil) on X

These “pokemon for adults” pitches always bug me bc they always equate maturity with gore and grimdark edginess. Adulthood is about finding joy and wonder in the monotony of everyday life and a lot of Pokemon is also about that

Twitter · Mar 3, 2024, 6:44 PM

TAHK0 ☕️ (@TAHK0) on X

what’s really funny is pokemon for adults already existed for the actual games, and it’s the games most people skip nowadays

Twitter · Mar 4, 2024, 12:47 AM

Now without reading the rest of that Twitter convo, what games do you think this dude is talking about

And before answering that, realize the correct games for that is whatever you want to play, who cares

[fading stratus]

the whatever the vegan organization game was

[crimson moat]

lol

[bleak pine]

True!

[crimson moat]

My answer to his statement was the series of 2 games that best match the Pokémon-in-mundane-life that the first tweet was about

[bleak pine]

Grimdark nonsense just ain't it

[fading stratus]

but hear me out

what if pokemon did your taxes

[bleak pine]

Sold

...I dunno how good Torchic is at being an accountant though

[crimson moat]

Grimdark is fine if you can do it right and just,

Well

No one does

[bleak pine]

Well, maybe not Grimdark.

Very grimy, possibly.

Colosseum being an example, of course

[crimson moat]

Colosseum was a bland Pokémon game in grimy clothing

[fading stratus]

wasn't colosseum just bad

[bleak pine]

A lot of fangame designers keep citing that as their inspiration, which is... bleh.

Colosseum was legit bad, yeah

But it was still something someone could possibly enjoy, plus it gave us a much improved sequel

[fading stratus]

most fangames are also edgy for like no reason

[crimson moat]

Colosseum had ideas with how it looked, but didn’t do much with it

[bleak pine]

yeah sure lets throw a medicham into a volcano for shock value

This actually happened in a fangame

[latent sleet]

cough cough reborn cough cough

[crimson moat]

Colosseum, thankfully, doesn’t do this

Colosseum just doesn’t do enough with what it presented

[bleak pine]

Orre's just pretty bad a place, but even so many people are doing their best to get by, and the setting can still be very recognizable as one with mons in it

[latent sleet]

i mean almost all of it is a desert

[crimson moat]

Arizona baby

[bleak pine]

Mons cannot be found in the wild at all there, giving the idea that yeah, it really is very bad off

The majority of them had to be imported from other lands, and you can't find Pokeballs on sale anywhere, since there's just no need for them

[latent sleet]

iirc in gale of darkness they are rebuilding ecosystems

[bleak pine]

Yep!

Duking doing some good in the world

[crimson moat]

Yup, that was the wild battle concept

[bleak pine]

They're very tiny ecosystems, but they do work

Plus they have the funniest Battle! theme out there

Slapping them banjo's

[crimson moat]

Which again, cool concept, wish they did more with it

Rebuilding an ecosystem is a neat idea for something more mature than what Pokémon does normally, and that’s not even something adult

[bleak pine]

The duology just seems... complete, but does leave you wanting a little more

Like, it's complete and just feels incomplete, if that makes sense

Then again, it is a side game, so maybe that's why

[crimson moat]

The next time we get anything on ecosystem is…
(Flips notes)
Team Flare trying to kill all life on the planet

Yeah…

[bleak pine]

Unfortunately we probably aren't gonna see anything like it again, or really, possibly at all given the games were developed by Genius Soronity

[crimson moat]

Who currently are only used for Cafe Remix

[bleak pine]

Last I heard they've developed Café Mix, though

Yep

Evidently, a lot of companies really don't use material from games they haven't developed, even if it is in fact their brand

It's a bit of a culture thing, but it could explain the lack of acknowledgement the games get

Beyond like, I guess a Twitter post that's like

"Hey, these games existed!"

[crimson moat]

So yeah that whole “Pokémon for adults is escaping the monotony of everyday life”made me think that dude was talking about Detective Pikachu

Turns out he was… talking about gens 1 and 2

[bleak pine]

what

[crimson moat]

Wut

Which yeah is part in why “Pokémon for adults” is a bs statement

His reasoning was “Pokémon games that are less kid-friendly”

[bleak pine]

Well, I guess that is true for Red-Blue

It's about as unfriendly as it can get with our current lineup

[crimson moat]

And my response is that’s not Pokémon for adults, that’s Pokémon for a select group that want a more vanilla game

My 6-year-old ass played Crystal with no problem lol

[mighty storm]

yeah

[vagrant steppe]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-11-we-didnt-start-the-fire.3738132/

Big Steel stays winning

Gambit and Gho are never gonna leave ig

[sand forge]

The future paradox form of Gholdengo

[golden lance]

If gouging gets banned rilla teams are gonna skyrocket

The ape is already crazy as is in the format

[fading stratus]

btw is there a good water type in the format or is monke just for fat elephant

[vagrant steppe]

Dondonzo

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/padeliciouss/status/1764789469230588330?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[crimson moat]

Big Steel can be the past paradox

Future Paradox is Iron Crypto

[golden lance]

WaterPon

[fading stratus]

oh waterpon isnt banned yet

[golden lance]

Nop

While on waters

Still cant believe Rotom-W fell to UU in gen 9

It doesn't feel right

[maiden flax]

you know what else is bad? pokemon battle revolution

[bleak pine]

Eh, yeah

It certainly wasn’t exactly a top worthy successor to Stadium

[golden lance]

Genius sonority refining presentation to its limit (they're working on a mid spin off)

[tacit sphinx]

PBR ANNOUNCER IS PEAK

Also nobody does these anymore but I got 68 on the Doku

[fading stratus]

oh doku updated?

the ui looks a bit weird

[bleak pine]

Yeah

The guy doing the commentary is the best part of Stadium and Battle Revolution

“TAKEN DOWN ON THE WORD ‘GO’!!”

Man, I love Conkeldurr

Nailing Focus Punch with it is just

sublime

[sand forge]

That's Old Money

[pseudo goblet]

@crimson moat Golden Shell sounds better, a lot of countries used shells as currency, the sea shell element goes well with its surfer gimmick too, also its little treasure chest could go well with pirates

Water Ghost Type

Although Past Paradox ‘try’ to make Pokémon dinosaur of some sort, Gholdengo kinda difficult to fit

[pseudo goblet]

@fading stratus @maiden flax FINALLY!!! LUNALA AND LILLIE!!!

[maiden flax]

nice

[pseudo goblet]

FUCKING 1%, thank god I didn’t need the pity! 203 point out of 400

[fading stratus]

pog

lunala is one of my fav legendaries

[pseudo goblet]

Jesus that is so many Marlon

I probably should’ve go for the actual new units

Sygna suit Gladion, Geeta, Neo Champion Silver, idk about Sygna suit Steven, and imma just exclude paid gems only banners

Eh fuck it, got all Lillie alts let’s go

Also, yeah imma just skip on this Steven, Deoxys here is SUPER gimmicky

[inland gyro]

why does he look like a teenager here

also had people doing theories and that steven is a trust fund baby and that metagross was created by devon corp hence why he got the only 1 and so became champion by being rich lmao

[pseudo goblet]

Steven future paradox lmao

[inland gyro]

like in gen 3 only way to get beldum was through him as well

[pseudo goblet]

This look would work if he drop the bang and ear-accessories

[tacit sphinx]

Show Jasmine alts

[pseudo goblet]

Don’t have them, trust me I WANTED them

Celesteela and Ampharos, I wanted the Christmas one

First off, there were four banner along side celesteela one, and Hilda&Diance was more needed to me at the time, and Christmas one- well I just don’t have the luck for those

[pseudo goblet]

Funnily enough, not his meh-est looking alt, this is

[tacit sphinx]

Right is Noelle from Deltarune

[pseudo goblet]

You would like these photos of her wouldn’t you Raz

Specifically the right one

There’s a scrapbook feature in Masters Trainer Lodge, the selected trainers gets two pic, and the second one always gives off moe feeling, Giovanni is just doing his thing

[pseudo goblet]

Oh yeah btw, somebody kinda calculated how old Steven is each time he cameo in future games, dudes pretty close to his 30s, or was it 40s, former I think

[pseudo goblet]

I~ ~ did not know Bounsweet spawns in like this, I been in this area for a long time training the H-Goodra

Reminds me of Seedot

https://tenor.com/view/seedot-gif-25300956

[mighty storm]

I wonder when we'll get our first proper look at PZA

like new megas/forms/etc

[fading stratus]

in like 6 months

[bleak pine]

Yeah sometimes mons are stuck to trees

You can dislodge em by crashing into em with Koraidon or Miraidon

Pineco are sometimes on these branches too

[pseudo goblet]

As long it’s not Slakoth lol

Which btw, them adding tons of Slakoth in Terarium Coastal Biome feels like an apology letter

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/syurigame/status/1764976014688731353?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Palm size chicks

Do people call baby ducks as chicks?

[bleak pine]

I think they're just called Ducklings

[pseudo goblet]

Oh that’s the word?

[bleak pine]

I think?

Possibly!

[maiden flax]

My fav one is applin

[mighty storm]

yes ducklings

[bleak pine]

AHh

[bleak pine]

Apparently Blaziken's Sp.Atk is one point above Charizard's Sp. Atk

I don't know how to feel about this

[kind vortex]

110 is 1 point over 109, yes

incidentally, that also puts it 1 point over johtonian typhlosion's sp atk

6 points over infernape as well

i don't actually remember immediately what emboar's sp atk so i can't compare them

delphox i don't immediately remember either

and incineroar and cinderace aren't special attackers

i also don't remember how much skeledirge has, but torch song kinda renders that comparison a bit unfair anyway

but hisuian typhlosion has 119, so that's at least 1 who has more than blaziken

[bleak pine]

Admittedly, Blaziken's selection of coverage is... eh

About the only unorthodox typings for Sp. Atk out there is Ground (Scorching Sands), and the usual faire of Solarbeam

Whereas Charizard and Typhlosion have more kinds of moves they can try out

Quick check brought this up: Blaziken has: Fire, Fighting, Ground, Grass and Normal type moves, not counting Tera Blast.

Whereas Charizard can work with Fire, Flying, Fighting, Dragon, Ground, Rock, Grass and Normal type special attacks

Also, Charizard can learn Weather Ball... I guess. Maybe you want to throw a whammy your opponent's way if they decide to try their luck with Rain

[kind vortex]

blaziken's coverage can be whatever you need it to be

[bleak pine]

Amazingly Typhlosion seems less restricted than Blaziken: Fire, Ghost, Grass, Normal, Fighting, and Ground, as well as Psychic

[kind vortex]

so can typhlosion's

[bleak pine]

And yeah, even as small as it is, it's fine!

[kind vortex]

i mean tera blast

[bleak pine]

Ah

Righto

[crimson moat]

Atk/SpA/Speed

Zard: 84/109/100
Typhlosion: 84/109/100
Blaziken: 120/110/80
Infernape: 104/104/108
Emboar: 123/100/65
Delphox: 69/114/104
Incineroar: 115/80/Alolan (60)
Cinderace: 116/65/119
H-Typhlosion: 84/119/95
Skeledirge: 65/110/66

[bleak pine]

I find it funny how Skeledirge's ATK stat is comically low

Delphox has noodle arms and still has higher ATK

[golden lance]

The joys of bst minmaxing

[golden lance]

HEAT WAVE WAS ADDED IN GEN 3???????

[tacit sphinx]

Yeah…?

[bleak pine]

Yep!

[pseudo goblet]

Wasn’t that the move Ash’s Torkoal learned

[bleak pine]

I think it was pretty much exclusive to Torkoal for awhile

Moltres could learn it, but wasn't available in RSE

[pseudo goblet]

At least, I think the Cantonese I heard back then they were saying ‘热风’ which is kinda heatwave

[pseudo goblet]

Ahhhh

[bleak pine]

It's odd how it was arguably more powerful than Flamethrower.

Though, it being a move that can hit two foes in a double battle could explain it

[pseudo goblet]

Really want to try train a different pair of Charcadet Evos but with Flash Fire for heatwave lmao

Weak armor you basically give and take, speedy knight megaman boys but takes away def, less likely to survive hits if can’t OHKO enemy