#Pokemon

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sharp kernel
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I got to explore the galarian birds outside of moltres again

fading stratus
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you could run like fully offensive thundurus

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i remember someone talking about grassy seed zapdos + rilaboom

sharp kernel
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btw i told you the rillaboom hits hurt, but it would still see pretty wide usage

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mon is legitly what incineroar is to fire in a sense

fading stratus
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we could get grassy glide in dlc ig

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which would make it a lot better

sharp kernel
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keep it in the spot it's in imo

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it's still really good, but not the force it was last gen

fading stratus
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they gave the genies fucking signature moves

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also lando learns the +2 spa move whose name i forgot because i'm half asleep

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nasty plot

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so who knows

sharp kernel
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I'd be curious to see how relevant nasty plot ends up being on him in doubles, and just his general relevance since bundle exists

fading stratus
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bundle kinda in thin ice

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eleki hard checks it

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also feel like stuff like heatran would check it too

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and urshifu

sand forge
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Speaking of Signature Moves

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Strength was Machamps signature??

outer eagle
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wasn't it Cross Chop

sand forge
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Wasn't Cross Chop Primeape

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oh, apparently not

golden lance
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Why upset?

young magnet
sleek sky
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okay
tonight we start Sword

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what number should I pick

fading stratus
sharp kernel
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I’m theorying for an event that could or could not happen in September

fading stratus
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What kind of teams do you play thugs

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Like I really like hyper offensive teams because they generally tend to have fast games but those types of teams also have kinda very low margin of error so if you don't call a protect you might just lose from that

sharp kernel
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This is the first year I ever got serious about VGC, so I did a TR team as my first team earlier in the year, and after that I did a flex TR team with Kilowattrel/kingambit/quaquaval/indeedee/amoongus/armarouge

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That was probably the peak of my team building so far, then I had to get ready to move so I stopped for a good while

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Now that I have more time I want to start theorying again

fading stratus
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Ah gotcha

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Kilowattrel monkaGIGA

sharp kernel
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Kilowattrel fucked so hard in early SV testing

fading stratus
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It probably did I just never tested it

sharp kernel
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The thing about it was you ran kilowattrel with competitive and focus sash, you would show indeedee + armorouge as the most likely lead, but you could go Kilowattrel + amoongus, set up tailwind, threaten ko’s with Kilowattrel and run quaquaval in the back which at the time had a good amount of solid matchups

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And 1 KO with either quaquaval or Kilowattrel would snowball you the game

fading stratus
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125 speed does make it one of the fastest TR setter

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I was playing like psychic seed drifblim during series a

sleek sky
slate marlin
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I feel sorry for when I used to think stat-lowering moves were useless.

pseudo goblet
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Comfey looking handsome

random stream
random stream
mighty storm
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blue-eyes white kyurem

wild imp
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Aren’t the current shinies like really bad

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Or there’s barely a diff

outer eagle
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White Zekrom looks...weird tbh

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Black Reshiram does look cool tho

wild imp
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I like white zekrom

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Black reshi is ight

outer eagle
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there is just something about Zekrom's stance and his body details that makes white not work for me, but hey, preferences

wild imp
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I wonder if they’ll do gen 5 remakes this gen

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If they do

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I wonder if we’ll somehow get paradoxes

outer eagle
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the chances are probably pretty high

wild imp
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Or if it’ll be bdsp 2 disgust

outer eagle
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i'm just wondering what form they're doing gen 5 in

wild imp
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Oh yeah

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This is the first remake post open world

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Well “first”

outer eagle
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Kyurem can be a decent Paradox copium

wild imp
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think bigger

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True dragon

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Legends unova would be cool

outer eagle
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gonna need to pull some horseshoe powercreep to bring the legends up to snuff with the current powerlevel in Ubers

wild imp
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Just make the true dragon have an item for it

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And make it act like a mega

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+100 stats

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Lots you can do with 780 base

outer eagle
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raw bst is not as much of a concern as ability tbh

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the most broken part is usually concentrated in the ability

wild imp
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Mold breaker again!

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What’s kyurems ability?

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Pressure?

outer eagle
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Pressure yeah

wild imp
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Pressure mold breaker sounds pretty nice

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ESP with the recovery PP nerfs

outer eagle
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they could make True Dragon a pure Dragon with an ability that grants STAB to Ice/Fire/Electric ig
maybe even throw in the Mold Breaker gimmick as a bonus

wild imp
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This was an idea I had

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It’s just what you said

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But it gains an extra resistance to those types as well

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And can’t get be frozen/parad/burned

outer eagle
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that's a lot of minor addons

wild imp
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It’s flavor nyaruhodo

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It also means you aren’t weak to ice

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Just nuetral

outer eagle
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GF generally doesn't like to do abilities with too many separate effects (pls ignore Calyrex)

wild imp
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No

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I won’t

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Also caly is like

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The best base we have

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But if it’s just combine abilities

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It’s just pressure + mold breaker

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Which Is like ight

outer eagle
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first pokemon with 3 types yeetbrain

wild imp
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4*

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The ice disrespect is crazy

outer eagle
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lorewise the Ice was only there cuz it's hollow right

wild imp
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Yeah true

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But it stayed in the half fusions

outer eagle
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also pls don't make it Ice type again that's a death sentence

wild imp
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So ig this depends on when we make the true dragon

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If it’s a legends thing

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Probs no Ice

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If it’s like

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Gen 5 remakes

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Probs ice

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What is in really excited for is gen 10

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Since that means gen 6 remakes

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So megas again

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But by then

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Most people in this chat will be in their 30s Hahaa

outer eagle
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it's 2 years Hahaa

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hopefully next time they give Mega forms to mons that actually need those

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also give the rest of the pseudos Megas tbh

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weird that gen2-4 pseudos got Megas but not the other gens

wild imp
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Wtf was the gen 2 psuedo

outer eagle
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TTar

wild imp
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He has a mega

outer eagle
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yeah that's why i corrected the comment

wild imp
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But I’d like dnite/hydra/goodra to get megas

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Honestly just give more kalos and unova pokes megas

outer eagle
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of all the Unovan mons they could have chosen

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they decided that fucking Audino was the one to get

wild imp
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We will finally get mega flygon

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In 7 years

crimson moat
# wild imp Aren’t the current shinies like really bad

They are not that good yeah

Shiny Zekrom has stronger contrast on the black parts, and a green glow instead of blue.

Shiny Reshiram had gold rings instead of white, and red eyes instead of blue. Reshiram’s tail glows purple instead of red-orange.

wild imp
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It’ll be funny to see mega ray and zacian both exist together

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Or just like

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All the primals tbh

outer eagle
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assuming that they won't Dexit Zacian

wild imp
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He’s a legend

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They don’t dexited

outer eagle
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is Meloette a legend?

wild imp
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She’s a mythic

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Idt darkrai has come back either

crimson moat
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If Greninja didn’t make it into SwSh, anything is honestly fair game

wild imp
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Gren isn’t a legend

crimson moat
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wild imp
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Like all the box legends have come back twice

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In both Gen 8 and 9

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In some fashion

outer eagle
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GF probably wants to pretend Gren doesn't exist tbh (especially Battle Bond Gren) Hahaa

crimson moat
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Greninja
The fan favorite Pokémon
One of the top 5 most popular Pokémon

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Didn’t make it in

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The point is they can do and will do whatever they want

wild imp
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With what they’ve shown

wild imp
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They do tend to brick back pokes

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That are on boxes

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Or like

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Yknow the gen 1 trio

sharp kernel
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idk about this "battle bond" you speak of

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its been wiped from my brain

wild imp
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Like I get the sentiment

crimson moat
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With what they’ve shown, you are way too trusting

wild imp
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If I’m wrong I’m wrong

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But based on the last 2 gens (counting the current)

crimson moat
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They can absolutely afford to cut legends if they want and that should not be a given that they are in

wild imp
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I’m more than likely correct

crimson moat
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Oh nice so you mean 1 gen

wild imp
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??

crimson moat
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Because we aren’t done with gen 9 lol

wild imp
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and we’ve gotten the legends back already?

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with home?

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We may not be done

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But it’s already happened

sharp kernel
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I wonder what we'll get that's similar to the galarian birds in the dlc

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rehash of ho-oh and lugia wouldn't make sense, unless it's some time travel arceus fuckery

outer eagle
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well

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the dogs already got their "upgrade", same for Birds, and Regis

sharp kernel
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speaking of, shout out to the new best boy

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regidrago

wild imp
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Shadow Iugia in the main games

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Real

fading stratus
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charizard hasnt gotten its share of gen 9 love

outer eagle
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realistically now that they've done non-solid Regis, they can keep making new Regi forms

sharp kernel
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paradox Totodile please

wild imp
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Paradox aggron Prayge

outer eagle
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instead of having 2 quad weaknesses it has 3 this time yeetbrain

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yep discord is killing itself for me now

fading stratus
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Regibug will probably be bad

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tbh

outer eagle
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anything Bug that isn't secondary Steel is bad tbh

fading stratus
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volcarona

outer eagle
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true

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is Volc good in VGC?

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in Singles sure

wild imp
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She isn’t iirc

fading stratus
wild imp
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That’s surprising

fading stratus
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tera water rocky helmet flame body volc was good last format

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the format is a bit fast for it rn

sharp kernel
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idk why they just don't buff the bug type tbh, it's so simple; make them hit fairy super effective and resist poison and make them damage ghost normally

outer eagle
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Heat Wave is always good ig

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and Flame Body has some cheese potential in Doubles

fading stratus
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more like rage powder user that learns tailwind

wild imp
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Like flip turn was already a mistake

outer eagle
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isn't Volc's speed a bit slow to be a reliable Tailwind user

fading stratus
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100 speed is okay

wild imp
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100 speed is okay Hahaa

outer eagle
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it was okay a decade ago

wild imp
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People from 10 years ago are coming for you

fading stratus
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last format was slow enough for it to be okay

sharp kernel
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100 speed is still good (as long as you got bulk to back that up also)

wild imp
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We need blissey but for the other stat types

fading stratus
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100 speed was trick room speed last gen btw

wild imp
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255 attack or smthn

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Dies by breathing near it

fading stratus
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eleki is for speed ig

outer eagle
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that 255 point allocated anywhere but HP makes the mon absolutely useless

fading stratus
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unless

wild imp
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255 speed

fading stratus
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255 speed would be okay depending on if its a good sp attacker or speed controller or both

sharp kernel
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regieleki was a fine design till they decided somewhere in the design process to to give it transistor

wild imp
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Honestly they should give the old Regis transistor look alikes

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Drago and eleki got them

outer eagle
wild imp
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Give regice ice force or smthn idk

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1.3x on ice moves

outer eagle
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altho this would make it so frail that it probably even dies to Fake Out KEKW

wild imp
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Give it uturn

crimson moat
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Regirock not getting Solid Rock

sharp kernel
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drago is basically better blissey tbh

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that 200 hp stat

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with decent offensive stats

wild imp
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Blissey but not passive

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Just what vgc wanted

outer eagle
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in VGC everything needs some offensive capability ig

crimson moat
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Registeel got Light Metal lmfao

outer eagle
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he's working out man

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don't shame him

crimson moat
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He just took off his pants

wild imp
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Registeel with steel worker

outer eagle
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Registeel is so weak that even with Steelworker you aint doing much

sharp kernel
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dhelmise my beloved, why did they do you so dirty

outer eagle
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Anchor Shot was a cool move at least

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i loved using Dhelmise in pre-DLC gen 7 OU

wild imp
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Anchor shot kept BH playable

outer eagle
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imagine playing BH tbw PepePoint

wild imp
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Peak meta

crimson moat
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Regirock get Solid Rock
Regice get Refrigerate
Registeel get Mirror Armor and Defiant Cursed Body

outer eagle
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And Regigigas? Hahaa

crimson moat
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Truant

fading stratus
outer eagle
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it is kidge

sharp kernel
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Regighost will get shadow tag trust

outer eagle
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and well, Spore is offensive capability

wild imp
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Banned to AG

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ESP if that’s it’s only ability

outer eagle
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anything with Shadow Tag with a BST above 400 will be banned to Ubers real quick

wild imp
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How is our lord and savior breloom

wild imp
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If it has good bst it’s sent up to AG

outer eagle
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Shadow Tag Shedinja

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good luck nyaruhodo

crimson moat
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no longer has wonder guard

outer eagle
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that's the meme yes

fading stratus
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is gothitelle banned to ubers

outer eagle
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it used to be

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then STag got banned overall

wild imp
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People were using diglett and gothirita

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Just for STag

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so it was banned overall yeh

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If an ability is causing OU to warp around fucking diglett

fading stratus
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tf

wild imp
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The issue is the ability

crimson moat
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Still don’t like their logic for banning G Darm instead of GT but at least they keep consistency on that stuff

fading stratus
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we need a new mega gengar 2 for vgc prayge
shadow tag with perish

wild imp
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Only 1 total user

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Vs multiple

crimson moat
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Yes

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But the logic was that if you banned GT you dealt with the coin flip problems G Darm presented.

And I said it was consistent because they banned G Darm by their logic

wild imp
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You don’t have enough data to completely say what was broken in that exchange

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Since it’s just 1

outer eagle
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the solution is to ban all monkey pokemon nyaruhodo

wild imp
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Shit like shed got banned over the users

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Bc it had multiple

crimson moat
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Yes

wild imp
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And it could easily be proven that’s the reason all of them were sent to Ubers

crimson moat
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I follow

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Yes

wild imp
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Last respects made the rounds

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Since it was the first offensive move

crimson moat
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Yes

wild imp
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That was banned

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In the standard meta*

crimson moat
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Jfc yes i get it

wild imp
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Oh at this point I’m not making a point

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Just making fun facts

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But one thing I do find wierd/funny

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Is how everyone says smogon loves stall

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When just about every showdown player fucking despises it

crimson moat
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It’s a meme for one of its admins

wild imp
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Yeah ik

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But I do find it strange how far it’s gotten

sharp kernel
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I still think last respects would have probably been fine for singles until basculegion. Houndstone just isn't good enough to carry the move

wild imp
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Stone was majority banned iirc

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So most would disagree

sharp kernel
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I never agreed with their reasoning tbh

fading stratus
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wonder if basculegion will see any play in vgc

sharp kernel
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"Couple of thoughts:

Yes Terrastal normal is a good counterplay to Houndstone but than you're forcing a metagame to lean a certain way just to counter play 1 Pokémon, which I believe doesn't give in to a healthy metagame. You should have to have a safety net for one Pokemon's OP move.

Houndstone being (Last Pokemon / 2nd Last Pokemon) + Last Respects + Sand Rush is really overpowering and the only thing that can beat it is a normal Terrastal or Shadow Sneak. You can counter the bringing a Pokémon with Shadow Sneak to every game by Tera changing into a normal type and being immune to the Shadow Sneak.

Which moves me onto my next point. The idea of changing your Pokemon's type into a different pure type while maintaining and retaining your Pokemon's original typing and having 2 different STAB boosts is OP. Lets just say you wanted a free Adaptability boost (Shoutout to Crawdaunt) you can just Teratilise into the same type as your Pokemon. I am not going to speak about what needs to be tested / banned but Teratilise in general does not induce skill in a competitive sense and can snowball into something nasty very quickly"

crimson moat
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Houndstone also had the context of being bulkier and a speed buffing ability compared to Basculegion

fading stratus
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basculegion has a speed buff ability too?

wild imp
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basc has SS

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and is just barely slower than floatzel i think

crimson moat
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Was looking at arceus dex

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Yeah it has SS

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It originally had Rattled

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At the time of the doge’s ban, that wasn’t known for Swift Swim

wild imp
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oh nvm

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stone was qbd

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with flutter

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also reading the thread

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specifically these parts

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but he is correct thugs

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tera in singles matters a fuckton

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so having to basically play without it

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is ass

true pumice
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(urshifu)

wild imp
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also you need to remember

sharp kernel
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their first bans came 1 day after the game's official release. I'm aware poshow had the SV OU like a month before, but You can say all you want about balance, but a month of playing a meta is nowhere near enough info to make an accurate informed take on this, correct or not

wild imp
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stone can be used midgame

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like after 2 deaths its just 150 bp

crimson moat
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Tera does induce skill to a degree but good play with Tera creates 50/50s that are not exactly healthy for the game. This is why there is also the push to get Tera type to be public knowledge instead of flat out banning it: you reduce the 50/50s and their impact.

true pumice
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Yea tera preview is a popular suggestion

crimson moat
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I still think it is way less toxic than Dynamax was in singles but that bar is in the ground

wild imp
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i like tera preview before complete ban

true pumice
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Same

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You can unironically unban volc with preview

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The issue was exactly not knowing if your counterplay actually beat it

wild imp
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nah volc can stay in hell

true pumice
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Until it hit the tera button

fading stratus
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cant you like unban volc even without preview ConcernedFroge

true pumice
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No

wild imp
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no

true pumice
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As is volc is just a complete guess

wild imp
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volc deserves to rot

true pumice
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Until it clicks tera

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That's awful

wild imp
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volc is like ishtear if you will

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its a gambole

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but its in their favoir

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and youre just left guessing

true pumice
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Pretty much

crimson moat
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Yeah Volc is way too rng without Tera preview at the least

sharp kernel
wild imp
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no im saying its a casino

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but the volc player is the house

true pumice
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So ya with preview I believe in retesting volc

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Because the main issue is fixed

outer eagle
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isn't Gambit making the rounds with all the Tera memes as well

true pumice
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Yes gambit is broken too

wild imp
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gambit is easier to check imo

true pumice
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It is but it still should probably be looked at

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It's running over WCOP

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Pretty hard

wild imp
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its a good dark type

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is its issue

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so banning it is a domino effect

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like gho has to go

true pumice
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I do dislike that we might ban a good defensive option, so far we only banned degen offense stuff, while gambit has a lot of offensive potential, it also has a ton of defensive potential and helps check certain things

wild imp
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if gambit dies

true pumice
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Like we're actually lacking hard in those already

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It's the only reason I am not sure on gambit ban

wild imp
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gambit is what stands between us and like

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5 bans

fading stratus
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then ban 6 EZ

true pumice
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Simply ban tera if we still need to ban half the format after preview

fading stratus
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doesnt something like ting lu check gholdengo in singles

true pumice
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Yes but ting lu is mid as hell

wild imp
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lu is just a blanket check overall

sharp kernel
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doesn't Iron Hands check gambit also?

wild imp
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the best check for gho is htrott

true pumice
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It tanks hits but doesn't really do much

wild imp
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but htrott is also a gho enabler

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hands is mid

true pumice
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Ya hands kinda mid too

wild imp
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outside full TR*

fading stratus
wild imp
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ting lu isnt bad

true pumice
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True in doubles it was hella broken before reg D

wild imp
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its like the best blanket check overall

true pumice
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Yea it's aight as a short term check to things

wild imp
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but its also kinda passive

true pumice
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But it lacks recovery and doesn't do much back

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Also it's a ground

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You know who else is a ground

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( :

fading stratus
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i think you need mystic water urshifu to reliably otk ting lu which is hilarious

wild imp
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great tusk therian

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ursifu-r was fun

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but i undestand why it was banned

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lead band was fun while it lasted

fading stratus
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why?

true pumice
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Am glad wetshifu was banned

wild imp
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you ohko lando t through intim

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and outspeed it

fading stratus
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well crits ignore atk drop

true pumice
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Only thing I am baffled by so far was zama-H avoiding QB into dnb majority

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Like ???

wild imp
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nah zama h is fine

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hes best boy

fading stratus
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is sneasler banned yet

true pumice
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Nah

wild imp
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nah

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the reason for sneas ban will egit just be

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"not fun"

true pumice
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Ya

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It's really mid with a goofy move

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And that's kinda it

wild imp
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"its rng bs"

true pumice
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Guy is basically just better hawlucha but not by much

fading stratus
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what it do? banded poison touch dire claw?

wild imp
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thats about it

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it also does unburden

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but the main issue is claw being bs

true pumice
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Exactly the same gimmick and wins on almost the same scenarios lucha would, but has an actual atk stat so doesn't rely on SD as much

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So it's just better lucha wich is an RUBL mon

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Cool

wild imp
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and lucha is actuyally like

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decent in OU

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or was

true pumice
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Ya lucha was aight

wild imp
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he had a niche in some teams

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now its just

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better version

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with most rng move ever

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one thing im grateful for

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is that decid-h is slow

true pumice
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Indeed, fuck dire claw, but sneasler itself is fine

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Thank fuck decid is slow

wild imp
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becuase fuck triple arrows

true pumice
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Indeed

wild imp
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this comes from within the bh player within me

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i still find it funny sometimes

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6 covert cloak

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was like

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a fine strat

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at one point

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in that meta

true pumice
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Lmao

fading stratus
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is h decid popular or just niche as of now

wild imp
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its too slow to do much

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if it was any faster idt be cancer

fading stratus
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isnt TR a legitemate strat after luna

wild imp
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it became way less legit

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after mage ban

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also decid h isnt TR slow

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hes in that swreetspot

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too fast for tr

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too slow for other shit

fading stratus
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whats even the TR speed threshold for singles

wild imp
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to me its slower than gho tusk

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i forgot which one is slower

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which decid is

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but he gets outslowed by a bunch of walls

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actually i take back this entire convo

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i was thinking of base decid speed

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decid h is even slower

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he probs works

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but like

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you have luna hands already

fading stratus
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What hand do in singles? AV or Swords dance?

wild imp
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all ive seen in TR is drum

fading stratus
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drum based

wild imp
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lemme go to setpedia

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band and sd

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in ou

fading stratus
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there's a website called setpedia?

wild imp
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in ubers+ its AV

fading stratus
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no you lied to me yuni cheems

wild imp
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i mean

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it has sets

fading stratus
#

its not setpedia

wild imp
#

i justr call it setpedia

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bc thats a better name

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in other news

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i just started playing a new ROM

fading stratus
#

which one

wild imp
#

and am about to fight Blane

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infinite fusion

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this is my current squad

fading stratus
#

smh no me

wild imp
#

ill do you next run kid

fading stratus
#

also ewwww uses legendaries

wild imp
#

thatll be the a hard mode ultra randomizer nuclocke

wild imp
#

im not using golbat X sudowoodo

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regardless tho

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choccy and alice are like

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my best mons anyways

fading stratus
#

randomised moveset?

wild imp
#

no

#

its just a mix of the movesets of the 2 mons fused

#

this is alice

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shes ghost fiary with levitate

#

4 immunities pog

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this is choccy

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hes just great tusk

#

but with sturdy

fading stratus
#

sturdy good in nuzlockes

wild imp
#

maya looks good on the outside but uh

bleak pine
#

holy crap that Donphan/Infernape fusion is spot-on

wild imp
#

needle just learned MM

#

and isbroken

sharp kernel
#

needle just like in the server is the GOAT

fading stratus
#

needle's takes are better than yuni ig

wild imp
#

ren is my fave design

sharp kernel
#

that's pretty silly

#

just like ren ig

wild imp
#

heres the final one

foggy oxide
#

That design is actually sick

mighty storm
#

like a water type

wild imp
#

I’ll do it next run

#

My team is set rn

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I don’t follow the name every poke rule

#

I only do it for mons on my team

sleek sky
#

I'm stuck on my uniform number

pseudo goblet
pseudo goblet
sleek sky
#

working my way towards the first gym

outer eagle
#

Pog got a Synchronize Mon with Bashful Nature PogYu

harsh path
#

What would a Slowpoke Tail taste like?

sharp kernel
#

Oxtails hopefully

bleak pine
#

A lot of savory flavor

#

Kinda like some kind of... Jerky, I guess?

#

Likely got a somewhat salty flavor too

random stream
#

Garchomp might go down to UU @outer eagle

sharp kernel
#

Especially when better garchomp exists

pseudo goblet
waxen moat
outer eagle
#

one day Pult will be UU as well copium

mighty storm
#

oh come on it cant be that bad

#

(the grimace shake)

slate marlin
#

Can you guys help me make a decision? 🐊 for Totodile, 🦎 for Treecko, or 🐉 for Charmander.

#

Or you can just react with 💧 , 🔥, or 🍃.

pseudo goblet
slate marlin
#

Pokémon Crown.

pseudo goblet
#

Huh?

slate marlin
#

A ROM hack.

pseudo goblet
#

Ahh, well that’s hard

slate marlin
#

Ehh, I guess I’m going for Charmander then.

snow oasis
#

Does snow have any effects other than boosting the defense of Ice types?

outer eagle
#

as in, aside from the chip?

#

oh wait, Snow, not Hail

swift jasper
# snow oasis Does snow have any effects other than boosting the defense of Ice types?

All Ice-type Pokémon have their Defense raised by 50% for the duration of the snowstorm. Pokémon with the Ice Body Ability recover 1⁄16 of their maximum HP each round. Pokémon with the Snow Cloak Ability increase their evasiveness by 20%. Pokémon with the Slush Rush Ability have their Speed doubled. If an Icy Rock is held by the Pokémon using Snowscape at the time of use, the duration of Snowscape will increase from 5 to 8 turns. The snowstorm allows Aurora Veil to be used.

While Snowscape is in effect, Synthesis, Morning Sun, and Moonlight will recover only ¼ of the user's maximum HP. Additionally, the move Weather Ball becomes Ice-type.

#

from pedia

random stream
#

Alolan muk hard carry @fading stratus @outer eagle nyaruhodo

fading stratus
#

Alolan Muk my beloved

#

Also NAIC today huh

sleek sky
pseudo goblet
#

The Xerneas is easily the best one here

sharp kernel
mighty storm
mighty storm
pseudo goblet
bleak pine
#

It still messes with me how Bellossom has no feet

#

Jeb

#

Maybe it’s skirt is it’s legs or something? I am unsure

outer eagle
#

And then Venusaur looks like he’s done with life

pseudo goblet
#

Embed failed on me twice cheems

random stream
#

CLEF IS COMING BACK IN DLC

#

A: If Clefable has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Clefable has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Clefable has only one fan then that is me. If Clefable has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Clefable, then I am against the world.

outer eagle
#

inb4 Clef comes with no Softboiled/Wish PepePoint

wild imp
#

Clef is cool

wild imp
random stream
#

at this point moonlight is the same as softboiled since ttar isnt rly used anymore

#

and the pp nerfs

wild imp
#

It heals 2/3 hp and gives +1 to both defenses

outer eagle
#

Clef already had a signature move kidge

random stream
#

I think with magic guard clicking your healing move as much isnt that big of a concern due to how unchippable you are

#

especially now that the meta is super centered on spikes with hsamurott for ho and ting lu for fat

outer eagle
#

the more pressing concern i see is that the powerlevel of gen 9 has increased a lot

wild imp
#

Isn’t reuniclus coming back too

random stream
#

She'll still be OU kid clef always finds a way

outer eagle
#

what was deemed sufficient bulk for previous gens isn't going to do as well into this

random stream
#

Reuni is coming back too yeah

#

Washtom's kinda mid bulk is somehow still good enough, so clef should be fine

wild imp
#

Isn’t clef bad into lord of the new mons

#

Bad into gho

#

Bad into gambit

outer eagle
#

well lord of new mon would be Tusk, but Clef is pretty weak into Ghold and Gambit yes

wild imp
#

Bad into future edition volc

random stream
#

yuni you forget the point of clef

#

the mons that beat it dont rly want to come in on it

wild imp
#

Might be good into Val?

random stream
#

yes it's nice into valiant

wild imp
#

what stopping gho and gambit

#

From coming in

#

ESP defensive gho

outer eagle
#

they can tank a Flamethrower well enough if they want to, and you can't Toxic them, Moonblast will deal minimal damage OgreThink

random stream
#

usually knock flame or twave (for gambit)

if gambit/ghol is balloon it also really doesnt want to lose it, otherwise they lose an item

#

same is true for gking

outer eagle
#

ya sure Clef will even have Knock Hahaa

wild imp
#

252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Clefable: 438-516 (111.1 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

random stream
#

it wouldnt stay in ahri2

wild imp
#

But then gho gets a free turn

#

Like clef will be ou

pseudo goblet
wild imp
#

But we got a bunch of shit that fucks it

#

She’ll probs change up the tusk vs lando dynamics

#

0 Atk Great Tusk Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Clefable: 127-150 (32.2 - 38%) -- 96.7% chance to 3HKO

#

Decent on the switch

#

Into defensive anyways

pseudo goblet
#

Any cool bugs returning in the dlc??

outer eagle
#

well let's first pray that Clef keeps Knock/Toxic/T-Wave first and foremost

wild imp
#

Toxic Is deadge

#

Knock and twave who knows

#

Nuking scald/toxic/knock distrib

#

Is top 10 decisions Ever

random stream
#

if youre max spa gholdengo flame does 40-50 on switch then you swap, if youre offensive recover sure but thats not a big deal, if youre scarf or balloon thats extra bad for you

you can get knocked as well which cripples the defensive variants (the most popular defensive version right now is hex twave focus blast recover, no make it rain even)

this is like saying clodsire is bad because hatterene can come in on it to blank whatever it tries to do

mons have answers

Clef will notably be one of the few mons who isnt impeded by chip damage, it can never be worn down by traditional means. spikes is insanely popular rn with hdb also being on the downtick aside from stall, which still gets knocked spammed

outer eagle
#

hey i'd like to see Lando regain Tox and Defog KEKW

wild imp
#

Ren I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying

#

I’m not saying clef is bad

#

I’m just saying the meta is lot more hostile to it now

random stream
#

It'll be fine

wild imp
#

A good fairy will anyways be welcome into the tier

#

God knows we need a good defensive one

outer eagle
#

i mean, unless Hatterene is like a top 10 mon in usage OgreThink

wild imp
#

(Im not calling hat bad)

#

(I just want more defensive fairies)

#

Sneas is also a problem for clef

outer eagle
#

if they decided to nuke Tox and Knock for Clef as well to be in-line with the rest, combined with the reduced recovery this discussion would be moot anyways

wild imp
#

True

#

Idt it’ll keep either

#

Most especially toxic

random stream
#

it doesnt really use toxic anyway, losing knock is sucky but that just means more cm or wish sets probably come around

wild imp
#

The one move that needs to get its distrib back is spin and defog

random stream
#

or thunder wave

wild imp
#

The rest im fine with being gone forever

outer eagle
#

i've seen Toxic on Clef all the time tbh

#

unless that has changed in the last gen

wild imp
#

Toxic was on everything

outer eagle
#

T-Wave is fine, but it has an imbalance in impact on Offense vs Defense

wild imp
#

Knock and toxic losing distrib makes the meta a lot better

#

Same with scald being deadge

outer eagle
#

Wish is also a transfer move right?

#

now if only we could get more Defoggers Hahaa

wild imp
#

Defog is the one move I miss

random stream
#

I've honestly never seen toxic on clef and ive been on the clef train for eons now peepoThink

gen 6 best sets were CM moonblast coverage or thunder wave softboiled or stealth rock moonblast coverage/t-wave softboiled

SM was mostly the same aside from offensive 3 attacks life orb becoming more popular

SS had moonblast softboiled sr knock, the wishport set, and defensive cm with either life orb or lefties

#

Losing knock would be the bigger thing, so we'll just have to wait and see

#

yeah it's been tough to remove hazards aside from spinning these days

so pokemon that can outright ignore hazards are kinda nice

wild imp
#

Losing wish would suck

#

What I’m most excited thing I have for the dlc is new paradox mons

outer eagle
#

as in the legends?

wild imp
#

Not them

#

Like seeing if we get more paradox mons

outer eagle
#

oh lawd 2 Paradox Charizard forms incoming

wild imp
#

Like the rest of the of the legendary trio from unova and johto

random stream
#

paradox flygon copium

wild imp
#

Paradox aggron Pepega

#

(It’s my favorite Pokémon)

outer eagle
#

if they couldn't be arsed to make Mega Flygon

#

there's zero chance they make Paradox Flygon KEKW

#

now that i think about it

#

how would Paradox forms of something like Chandelure work? OgreThink

#

can't have a past form of a fucking chandelier

wild imp
#

Just turn it into a bonfire

wide lynx
#

But at least I made it on the team

#

Any chance you could dm me what you're playing

mighty storm
#

But the real cool part about the DLC, new|| spidops|| OMEGUFACE

#

and also ||gendered tandemaus||

pseudo goblet
#

Ugh… embed failed me again

#

Anyways, WHAT IS IT WITH MY FAV CHARACTERS IN GAMES I PLAY ALWAYS ENDS UP BEING DISRESPECTED AWAAAAAA

#

Okay now I’m curious to what’s Unite tier list is like…

#

Assuming this is the one, yeesh, Greninja and Absol in D??? If this is real, how the mighty have fallen monkaTOAD

#

Okay it’s hard to believe this list when they put Cramorant in B… wth

outer eagle
#

Finally lost a real team member (Kingdra) instead of just intentional sacks to Colress. Altho, Kingdra was arguably the most replaceable member out of the core 5 anyways. Last time a semi-important mon was lost was at Skyla.

random stream
outer eagle
#

Almost got swept by Huge Power Archeops Hahaa

#

It even flinched my Muk then Kingdra missed Draco Meteor

#

Scarf Imposter Clef came in clutch, but then again that's why i had it on the team tbw

random stream
#

Told you clef was good kidge

outer eagle
#

it could have been a Weedle and Imposter would have carried the same

maiden flax
maiden flax
wild imp
#

just learned that some fusions have multiple sprights

#

alice connecting back to yugioh makes sense in a way

#

but dw i went with a culured alt art EikiSmug

wild imp
sand forge
#

You may have to use vxTwitter

pseudo goblet
#

Oh that’s where you place the vx, it worked

pseudo goblet
sand forge
#

100%

pseudo goblet
#

Even if he’s not involve in this matter lol

#

Not even a contest nyaruhodo

harsh path
#

What kind of people wpuld want to be homies with Lettuce

#

Or was it Dennis

swift jasper
#

no no

#

he plays tennis

outer eagle
maiden flax
#

also means i get to pet the cat

pseudo goblet
#

Between Liko and Serena, think I would choose Liko yeah

#

Hard to imagine myself being friends with a celebrity

maiden flax
#

I just want the cat

pseudo goblet
#

That too

#

Aight imma do one for the rivals, which one would y’all be best friend with

Gary
Goh
Roy
Paul

#

Wait Roy isn’t a rival(yet) hallothink

outer eagle
#

apparently Miltank has 100 Speed monkaGIGA

#

why is a cow that fast

pseudo goblet
#

Ask that to Purugly first, but even more questionable

maiden flax
#

Next youll tell me magmar has 93 speed

outer eagle
#

Oh wow never noticed that the Randomizer also updates the Pokedex with the correct area information as well pogofgreed
This makes finding mons for Tokens so much easier

random stream
#

It's good kidge

outer eagle
#

i have like 10 free tokens waiting to be used so this helps scope out potential team options a lot

random stream
#

tokens peepoThink

outer eagle
#

you know how in BW2 the Fossil Museum is post-game?

#

i count every rando Fossil i pick up a Token

random stream
outer eagle
#

same applies if i caught a mon first then encountered it again on a static mon

random stream
#

I guess that makes up for the bereft of encounters

outer eagle
#

hey if they had put the Museum in the main campaign this wouldn't be possible unless i pick up like duplicates of fossils

random stream
#

til of this @outer eagle @fading stratus

#

emerald truly is the goat

outer eagle
#

oh that's pretty cool

#

what happens if you keep watching till it reaches the destination tho OgreThink

#

for gen 5 if you go to the deck on Royal Unova and watches until the end the game auto informs you upon arrival iirc

sleek sky
warm sky
#

samurott is top 5
DAMN

maiden flax
#

Garganacl is still being the wall of all time :v

silver vigil
warm sky
#

which makes it really just 130 BP

#

97 with STAB's really good

maiden flax
#

(Its closer to 140)

sleek sky
#

Is it additive or multiplicative

maiden flax
#

1.5x x 1.5x x 65

silver vigil
#

(Ik half these mons are unplayable in UU)

warm sky
#

oh in that case

#

it's like

#

146

#

so even a neutral hit's kinda nuts

sleek sky
#

2.25 multiplier let's goooo

warm sky
#

hell, a resisted hit is still quite good

#

because you get spikes

maiden flax
#

And you can just get spikes up!

warm sky
#

also man I have not touched UU in a while, but hey... Breloom dropped there

#

I might mess with it

maiden flax
#

The current smurott sets are suicide lead focus sash

Offensive scarf

Defensive AV

sleek sky
#

Clodsire still OU

#

Skelebro dropped tho

#

All the starters are now UU

maiden flax
#

Skeledirge dropping is wild

silver vigil
#

V. funny that amoongus the only grass in OU

sleek sky
#

Maybe it goes back up after they cycle out the banned mons

#

It was pretty close

#

4.109%

#

Meow at 4.196%

#

Does Aurora Veil stay active even if the weather changes

warm sky
#

yes

sleek sky
#

I will make a garbage triweather team

#

(I cannot play Showdown on my VPN)

random stream
#

whats garchomp at rn sorry? cant seem to find it

#

Alolan muk dropped to UU but it is very very good in OU right now, so it may rise back up

sleek sky
#

4.1 something

random stream
#

Ah okay its still there, barely

sleek sky
#

sorry

#

Garchomp is at 5.222%

random stream
#

Thanks skipper

sleek sky
random stream
#

@outer eagle @fading stratus it finally happened lando dethroned ahri

outer eagle
#

Sandy Shocks monkaGIGA

random stream
#

Tusk is just way more generally useful
ik lando still good but yk

outer eagle
#

when you take away every utility move Lando has KEKW

#

ofc Tusk is gonna be more useful

random stream
#

Yeah ahri

outer eagle
#

Rotom hanging on for dear life

crimson moat
#

Congrats Great Tusk, how does it feel to make it?

wild imp
#

UU got lots of nothing mons

#

But they also got a fuckton of broken shit

#

(Or stuff that’s just good)

#

Meow, gapdos, loom, drago, muk, meow, mew, ceruledge, and the victory dance mf

spice rivet
#

Samurott fans keep winning

fading stratus
wild imp
#

Garchomps time is coming JunkoKnowsWhatYouDid

sharp kernel
#

What’s annihilape’s usage in singles?

fading stratus
#

bulk up rage fist

#

just doubles stuff

sleek sky
#

Also it's Ubers in Smogon metagames

warm sky
#

yeah

random stream
#

often paired with double screens and tera water

#

It could also run final gambit stealth rock lead, or scarf

wild imp
#

Ape was banned bc it meant you couldn’t play any slower teams

sleek sky
#

Okay
It is time to theorycraft a garbage tri-weather team

fading stratus
#

quad weather

#

🙂

#

rain snow sun sandstorm

crimson moat
#

Not Bad, Tusk

fading stratus
#

Feel like lando I will probably be more popular in doubles too

#

nasty plot kinda huge

pseudo goblet
fading stratus
warm sky
crimson moat
#

You a free to, they can't claim repost, I made this

fading stratus
#

spat will ban you for unoriginal ppst

wild imp
#

I’m posting it in the smogon discords rn

sleek sky
wild imp
#

Tusk gambit

#

That’s all you need baby

crimson moat
#

My credentials for making it

fading stratus
#

oh wait bundle banned in smogon singles

#

forgor

#

after tales comes (probably) in dlc

sleek sky
#

Do you use Ice Body on Bax if there's snow

#

Or do you still do Thermal

fading stratus
#

probably still thermal tbh

sleek sky
#

Does Bax survive sun-boosted fire moves

#

Asking for a friend

fading stratus
#

252+ SpA Charcoal Torkoal Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Baxcalibur in Sun: 355-418 (95.6 - 112.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

#

without charcoal it isnt otk so probably shouldnt get otk'd by most fire moves

sleek sky
fading stratus
#

what else even is the popular fire move in singles

sleek sky
#

There was Skeledirge Torch Song

#

Some Will-o-Wisp users

#

Volc got banned

fading stratus
#

+1 252 SpA Skeledirge Torch Song vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Baxcalibur: 196-232 (52.8 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

#

yeah no

#

nothing relavent should kill it

#

unless specific charcoal torkoal

wild imp
#

Isn’t bax immune to fire

fading stratus
#

you're thinking of daschbun

sleek sky
#

Thermal Exchange confers +1 Attack
if Bax is damaged by a fire move
also gives burn immunity

fading stratus
#

yeah

sleek sky
#

Does Hax have a niche over Bax

#

Other than being slightly faster and slightly stronger attacker

wild imp
#

Mold breaker

sleek sky
#

Whose mold is Hax breaking

wild imp
#

Gho idk

#

Does he have Eq

fading stratus
#

he does

wild imp
#

Or use ground coverage

#

You break washtoms mold

sleek sky
#

Hmm

fading stratus
#

ground tera eq bax was really popular in vgc at point

sleek sky
#

I will attempt to build a team using a Clod-Hax core
(It will not work)

wild imp
#

Man

#

I’m so glads treads exists

#

Really needed a spinner that’s steel ground

#

For me team to function

sleek sky
#

Allegedly Treads works very well against teams that are built to deal with Tusks

wild imp
#

Oh no

#

He’s just just there for typing + speed

#

I’m doing HO

fading stratus
#

play steel beam treads yuni

outer eagle
#

is Excadrill not fast enough copium

wild imp
#

I debate it every day

#

Exca isn’t in sv

#

And idk if he has spin anyway

outer eagle
#

wait wasn't it leaked a while ago

sleek sky
#

For some reason I thought the Tyrogue line was coming in the DLC

wild imp
#

That’s dlc kid

#

Exca would go hard on my team tho

outer eagle
#

Drill learns Spin inherently

#

so it will most likely keep it

sleek sky
#

Is Maus Tidy Up real hazard control

fading stratus
#

ferrothorn will learn rapid spin this gen kid after it comes in dlc

outer eagle
#

well Maus isn't real

#

so you do the math

fading stratus
#

friend guard neat tho

wild imp
#

You see maus a decent Amt

#

In high ladder

fading stratus
#

maus monke good nyaruhodo

#

just play a different format

sleek sky
#

1.68% in OU

#

man who cannot play Showdown still tries teambuilding for fun

outer eagle
#

i mean we all start from somewhere nyaruhodo

fading stratus
#

teambuild for vgc skipper

#

its weird af

pseudo goblet
outer eagle
#

google keeps showing me basketball when i try to look up Durant's stats angryBoye

sleek sky
placid junco
#

damn Sandy Shocks in OU
wild

sleek sky
#

we may be getting somewhere

sand forge
#

Why is Sandy Shocks OU now

sharp kernel
#

A random Regieleki appears
Palafin: yeah, I’m out guys, see ya next season

sleek sky
#

Also has good matchups into common threats, apparently

sleek sky
#

Hrmmm
I need someone to Knock Off

mighty storm
#

got to 325 in the paldea dex

#

just 75 mons to go sadthumbsup

maiden flax
fading stratus
random stream
wild imp
#

ren went vs a good player for once

#

crazy

pseudo goblet
#

I like this Delia x Jessie AU quite a lot KEKW

pseudo goblet
#

Pick your fav mole

pseudo goblet
outer eagle
#

almost took some time to deliberate on what moves i should use Heart Scale to relearn until i remembered that i had infinite Heart Scale since i was in Humilau

#

also wasn't intending to EV train at first but since i can earn 300k every 20 minutes i just full pumped my team with HP Up and HP Meals in Join Avenue

random stream
fading stratus
#

you can get infinite HS?

#

thought it was only once by showing that old lady luvdisc

outer eagle
#

there's an old dude in Humilau who gives you a Funfest Mission which, once completed, gives you 5 Heart Scales

#

and Funfest Missions are infinite

#

Funfest Missions are also how i can easily grind 300k every 20 mins

fading stratus
#

dont you need like the wifi stuff for those

outer eagle
#

nah

#

you only need it in BW1

#

in BW2 you can do them whenever

#

also, Funfest Missions let me grind Shards extremely quickly for Tutors, tho i haven't needed to do so this run since the tutor moves are mostly niche or underwhelming

fading stratus
#

i wasn't misremembering
Entralink is a place located in the direct center of Unova. To get there, turn on your C-Gear, select Wireless, and click Entralink.

outer eagle
#

yes

#

you can still enter the Entralink without WiFi

#

in BW2 at least

#

with Wifi you can do Streetpass stuffs

#

but those aren't needed

#

"Funfest Missions can be activated anywhere in Unova as long as travel to the Entralink is possible there, and unlike Entralink Missions, they can be played either alone or with up to 99 other players."

jagged linden
#

finally got my Scarlet data over to my new switch

jagged linden
#

still need to finish grinding a comp team out ev wise but I dom't have the motivation anymore without my ex lmao

#

probs won't pick up the dlc either

#

just wanted to make sure I got it over since this was like

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60 hours of progress

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and I'm selling my Lite to recoup some costs associated with buying the new switch

sharp kernel
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Getting a comp team together can be a chore, so I don’t blame you

outer eagle
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gen it in

fading stratus
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don't gen unless you're going to a event :3

mighty storm
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this is what gen 7 worst luck looks like

pseudo goblet
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Rip

outer eagle
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i mean Salandit has like 85% chance of being male

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so this seems...typical unless this is like the 10th shiny you went over

pseudo goblet
mighty storm
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not my picture, but the person probably had that happened to them.

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and both were male so oof, feels bad

sharp kernel
fading stratus
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I haven't heard anyone get banned by playing genned mons

outer eagle
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you probably won't get banned unless you're like...really audacious about it

warm sky
true pumice
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Lmao

sand forge
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Fakemon names are always so bad

sleek sky
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okay
I will build my comedy tri-weather team in-game

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been itching for a new teambuilding project

random stream
sleek sky
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I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that Haxorus is bad

random stream
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Bax is a stronger dragon dancer, choice bander, swords dancer

sleek sky
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there are no molds to break
very sadge

random stream
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Also yeah not too many relevant abilities to break. Uhh also if youre using clodsire, would recommend water absorb over unaware for now since its better into the metagame

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dont want to like automatically lose to mons like walking wake or get griefed by rotom