Pokemon

[kind vortex]

i'd be fine if they just removed iv's, set the stats to what they'd be at 31, and retain ev's

but i don't see them doing that

[spice rivet]

IVs are def the worst thing in the series for core battling

Especially as soon as Hidden Power was removed

I could see them doing it eventually because theyre tired of juggling all these balls/data with transfers

But even in Pokemon Go its ass

[kind vortex]

i'd sooner see them remove transfers altogether since it's the worst idea of the bunch

[spice rivet]

Eh transfers are fine, I'm just happy that when you transfer into SV your Pokemon effectively gains the "Battle Ready" mark automatically. Def going to make later VGC regularions easier to deal with

[kind vortex]

i also think transfers are fine

i'm saying they'll probably eventually kill them, which would be the worst idea to solve the problem, but probably the easiest

[spice rivet]

Ah ya, sad but true

[sleek sky]

hunting Chanseys for XP

[sleek sky]

okay
After an hour of grinding
Everyone is up to the current level

[fading stratus]

You challenging e4 yet?

[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/serebiinet/status/1671534661397274624?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Gonna need to find time catch up what’s new y’all have watch last night, holy crap

[bleak pine]

Alright, get this

Those three of Momotaro’s companions on his journey? They have some rather silly ability

Toxic Chain. Occasionally a Pokémon that attacks them will be afflicted with Bad Poison.

Now, this is a fun ability, but I really just have to point out how scary this looks

Friggin, trying to double-edge Okidogi and then woops, Tauros is hit with it’s ability

Suffice to say each of them are probably poison types

[regal garnet]

It's the other way around. It has a chance to happen when they attack a Pokémon.

[fading stratus]

yeah

also like we dont know the chance of getting poisoned

like it could be 10% or 50%

[bleak pine]

Ah

Considering Poison Touch, I’d wager it has the same odds as that one

[crimson moat]

Which for reference is 30%

[fading stratus]

if it'd be 30% it kinda goes crazy with stuff like rock slide

especially in doubles

[maiden flax]

Toxic is worse than poison in doubles due to doubles being faster

Just to note

[fading stratus]

well i was referencing 30% flinch chance of rock slide and 30% toxic chance of it and when hitting 2 opponents at once

not toxic broken

[maiden flax]

Ah

[fading stratus]

which should be around 75% chance to either flinch or poisoned provided rock slide hits both

[random stream]

@maiden flax @outer eagle ||gliscor is coming back ||

[fading stratus]

bootleg lando my beloved

[mighty storm]

what if gligar and aipom get new evolutions?

[fading stratus]

probably not but regional evo not outr of equation ig

[mighty storm]

considering the fact

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzKQc1VaIAAxU9S?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzKQgH7aMAEjl9J?format=png&name=small

[fading stratus]

where my spinda evolution at konami

oops wrong company

[tacit sphinx]

but

[mighty storm]

maybe something cooking for gligar and aipom considering johto love

[fading stratus]

only thing that can save johto is a new dinosaur meganium paradox

[mighty storm]

as their only evos were cross-gen

[tacit sphinx]

You know what I want

If we're making up Johto stuff

[mighty storm]

But ya know who is getting something

||Spidops BOI !!!||

[tacit sphinx]

new forretress evo

it can be called "fuck you ferrothorn"

[maiden flax]

||either that or paldean gliscor||

That said

Even if that were the case

The other would come back

Since a regional form has never not been with its original

[fading stratus]

here me out

A zebstrika evo called Babestrika

[warm sky]

Babe-strika?

[fading stratus]

is that how you'd spell it?

[warm sky]

No as in I don't get the name

Like why os the zeb replaced by babe

[fading stratus]

it was just first thing that popped onto my mind because well zeb and babe rhyme

[outer eagle]

plebstrika

[pseudo goblet]

What’s Zebstrika prevo name again

[fading stratus]

blitzle

[pseudo goblet]

I was curious, the Japanese name seems interesting

[mighty storm]

Cuz it's a thunderbolt

and a zebra

[mighty storm]

Ok I think I figured out the whole DLC

it's a bit crazy, but I think Im on to something

Quick version:|| Paradox mons are imagination, The Loyal 3 are actually villains, and terapagos is a prisoner of blueberry academy||

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

@bleak pine btw I found the answer to that one question about sandshrew learning poison sting

many shrews are venomous

[pseudo goblet]

Did not expect this to get a continuation

https://twitter.com/haruxxe/status/1671499466816524288?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

[sharp kernel]

Alright I will start a new game for real this time. I just uploaded everything to Home

I just need to get my rules straight

no flamigo

no starter

[mighty storm]

Poison types only

[kind vortex]

sounds like a job for h sneasel

[sharp kernel]

Poison types only does sound like a challenge

Especially the team star battles

[bleak pine]

Oh, they are? Wow.

And I thought Platypus were like, the only mammal to do so

[sand forge]

Vampire Bats are venomous also

[bleak pine]

...Oh, yeah

Hence Zubat being a poison-type

[sand forge]

However I don't think Sandshrew learns poison sting because some shrews happen to be poisonous

I think trying to find logic in Pokémon is silly

[bleak pine]

The whole sting thing really seems like it's something not much mons could learn since it involves 'stinging' the target.

So, stuff like Weedle, Skorupi and Marenie, yeah

But not so much stuff like Ekans

And yeah, logic is not something to seek

[bleak pine]

Been on an artwork hunt in TCG

And I have to show this

https://pkmncards.com/card/zangoose-platinum-pl-66/

LOOK AT HOW TINY ZANGOOSE'S TOEBEANS ARE

AAA

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/Natural_habitok/status/1638930640316907520 yep

Natural Habitat Shorts (@Natural_habitok)

Fun Fact: Many species of shrews are venomous. They use their venom to paralyze prey. 🛝🐭💤 #naturalhabitatshorts #naturalhabitat #naturalhabitok

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[bleak pine]

Ah, cool. Well, terrifying, but cool.

[mighty storm]

also I was thinking about cinccino and I was thinking it should get a ground regional variant

or at least some kind of status move related to sand

[bleak pine]

A dirty boi compared to the neat freak

[mighty storm]

No actually, both would be clean freaks. But the ground one would have more emphasis on chinchillas taking baths

https://tenor.com/view/chinchilla-gif-24850606

a very clean friend

currently cinccino learns zero sand related moves

[bleak pine]

Oooh

[mighty storm]

New ability: If the user uses a "sand" move, Regional-Cincincco regains 50 percent of the damage inflicted (if damage move) or heals a status condition (if status move)

and the regional one would get access to a bunch of sand moves

[bleak pine]

That'd be cool

[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/haruxxe/status/1671856169634369538?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

はる@原稿中 (@haruxxe)

すっかりカイちゃんに懐いたヒスイゾロア。

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Twitter · Jun 22, 2023, 12:22 PM

[mighty storm]

shiny

[sleek sky]

beat Arven

gonna picnic for fun then fight Clavell and Penny

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/cosmopoliturtle/status/1671956219580350493

Cosmopoliturtle 🐢 (@cosmopoliturtle)

🍊Paldea Pokemon🍇
#974-975 - Cetoddle, Cetitan

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pride cetitan 😮

cool

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/トリトドン-gastrodon-gif-26222567

[slate marlin]

If I ever get to play Pokemon again, I'm trying to figure out which starter I'm getting: Chimchar, Turtwig, or Piplup?

[fading stratus]

Turtwig

Lv32 earthquake broken

Tho it does get violated by everything in lategame having ice beam

[slate marlin]

NGL, in previous runs I got everything but Turtwig.

Like, I tried Piplup in one game, Chimchar in another.

[sand forge]

Well at least you didn't lie

[pseudo goblet]

Had to look at the symbols to get which kind of armor evolution this is about 😂

https://youtu.be/heZJi8z9iNM

Otherwise I was thinking about ‘Armored Charizard’

[sleek sky]

Beat Victory Road

Tonight we take The Way Home

[fading stratus]

Papa Turo or Mommy Sada?

[pseudo goblet]

Mommy

[warm sky]

Don't be weird guys

[sleek sky]

I have Scarlet

[cunning osprey]

I hope we get more paradoxes in the dlc

[sand forge]

I hope it's a future paradox not called Iron Blank

[pseudo goblet]

Iron Metal, Iron Liquid, Iron Sludge

The last one actually I kinda like

[fading stratus]

Iron Donkey

It's just future Mudsdale

Iron Chonker

Iron Forest

Iron Scales

[mighty storm]

What if we got a regional drapion

[fading stratus]

Bug type drapion

[mighty storm]

Nah I was thinking electric

I do think we wont be seeing Paldean regionals in the DLC, BUT we could see new regionals from a different region

[mighty storm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzNg7YraAAEs48w?format=png&name=small

remember this?

[fading stratus]

nope\

[sand forge]

Nope

[warm sky]

Yes

[mighty storm]

Pokestar Studios was so cool, I wish they would bring it back

[fading stratus]

I vaguely remember that being the worst part about the gen 5 games

[mighty storm]

No it was good

[sleek sky]

Might swap Deino out for a Volcarona

man contemplates making new profile on Switch to start a new playthrough before finishing first one

[fading stratus]

Is this the E4 team

[sleek sky]

it was my E4 team, ye

it's the team I used for all the endgame fights
except for The Way Home

lead with Clodsire, tho

Spikes setter let's go

[bleak pine]

Ayyyy Haxorus

[fading stratus]

Hey guys did you know that in terms of bulkiness

[mighty storm]

did you know Flygon has the same amount of physical attack as trapinch?

and that vibrava has less physical attack

[bleak pine]

beeg jaws

[fading stratus]

I did know trapinch has 100 base atk because it came up in a nuzlocke once

[bleak pine]

Zane shall be missed

[random stream]

[pseudo goblet]

What happened? Is this about Trapinch me in Ren’s

[outer eagle]

Managed to clear Virbank with a full team of 6. That doesn’t usually happen so kinda happy.

[fading stratus]

did koffing keep using smog instead of venoshocks

[outer eagle]

It’s a randomizer nuzlocke so no Koffin here

[fading stratus]

ah randomiser

[outer eagle]

The early game is responsible for like at least 70% of my failed runs

[fading stratus]

normal mode or challenge mode btw

[outer eagle]

Challenge Mode with 1 extra mon on top for every important Trainer

[fading stratus]

randomised moveset/

or nah

[outer eagle]

Random moveset with some bias towards Stab

[fading stratus]

random moveset does make the fights a bit harder
as you can't predict the moves of your opponent's mons since if it was not randomised it'd be last 4 moves it learns by lv up

[outer eagle]

Random movesets and abilities

I also made it so that all important trainers’ mons have some kind of positive item on them

[fading stratus]

ah

randomised ability is so weird sometimes

[outer eagle]

It helps the fun somewhat

Cuz a lot of mons have some pretty boring abilities otherwise

[fading stratus]

its fun until you get stall electrode or something

[outer eagle]

Nah i disabled all negative abilities

So worst i can get is like…Illuminate

[fading stratus]

Personally I don't like randomised moveset because it makes planning for stuff weird af

[outer eagle]

I can get that

But i really don’t like hyper planning for future battles cuz it’s less fun for me

And with these kinds of randomizations i simply need to build the most balanced/powerful team i can

Without having to pre-plan much

It’s kinda why i always dread the Ultra Necrozma section of gen7, especially with level caps on

[fading stratus]

ultra necrozma section isnt hard at all

you just need to toxic stall with sash and protect

[outer eagle]

Random

[fading stratus]

you just need like 3 expendable members

if it isnt poison itd be fine

[outer eagle]

Not exactly

[fading stratus]

or steel

[outer eagle]

There’s no guarantee i can get Toxic

Or the mon has no multi-hit moves

[fading stratus]

well unless you randomise tms too toxic should be in aether paradise, no?

[outer eagle]

And sometimes you get shit like +3 all stats on a boxart and you just ragequit

I randomize items and TMs and tutors as well yes

[fading stratus]

makes sense

do you like remove all the bad moves for tms or just hope for the best

[outer eagle]

Nah just hope

But there is a 20% extra bias for powerful moves

[fading stratus]

ah

[outer eagle]

Probably doesn’t help that this actively reduces Status moves

[fading stratus]

getting tm for explosion and selfdestruct

vroken

[outer eagle]

Sometimes you get TMs for Spore or Sketch

[fading stratus]

man you playing randomiser reminded me how much i hate hustle

[outer eagle]

Oh yeah i absolutely do avoid using Hustle mons

A funny mon i had was Imposter Rhydon

Slapped an Eviolite on that shit and it was nice

[fading stratus]

i actually cant remember if i had some funny mons or not

klutz dragonite was one ig

[outer eagle]

Klutz with like Sticky Barb could be funny

I used a Cresselia with that once

[fading stratus]

or even assault vest

if you have trick or something

[outer eagle]

If i were to use Trick i kinda prefer Lagging Tail

But AV is cool too

[pseudo goblet]

@waxen moat remember I talked about Pokemon Ga ole earlier, this is my second time playing it

I somehow manage to get the whole bounsweet line, what are the chances

[outer eagle]

the Castelia shop sells Berry Juice

[fading stratus]

whats your current team like btw

[outer eagle]

Tympole, Bellossom, Magnezone, Crawdaunt, Slaking, and a Kyogre that i actively avoid using

[fading stratus]

smh uses legendaries

[outer eagle]

funny thing is

my randomizer settings were supposed to exclude legendaries from every possible encounter location

except there's one tiny place without an option to disallow legendaries

and the rng happened to give me a legendary in that one spot

[fading stratus]

that's luck ig

[outer eagle]

i couldn't even not take the Legendary either cuz that'd give the Legendary to my rival for the entire run (yes i enabled that setting), so i just took it and actively avoided sending it out

[fading stratus]

ohh starter

could've just reset

[outer eagle]

i could have...

but i'm lazy

couldn't really do the 1st gym with a mon disadvantage so that's that, had to use it

but cleared the second gym without using Ogre at all

[fading stratus]

Honestly at the end of the day nuzlocke is for fun so like you could just choose to play with legendaries

[outer eagle]

oh don't get me wrong i do play with Legendaries sometimes

but that usually means i allow my opponents to have Legends too in the settings

this is an unintended loophole of the randomizer more than anything

[fading stratus]

only rule i generally dont follow is like nicknames
feel like it gives too much attachment to mons

unnecessary attachments

[outer eagle]

whenever i catch a mon i don't care about, i name it one of L, F, Y, K

[fading stratus]

understandable

[outer eagle]

they really made the level cap jump from 19 to 26 after 1 gym

[fading stratus]

it'd be 18 to 24 in regular iirc

19 to 26 in challenge

[random stream]

I see ryuji likes to play w masochstic level jumps more than me

Beat brawly

[fading stratus]

its a me mario

[random stream]

box we have sunflora raz and sandslash gil but im gonna look at my slateport encounters

swampert soon

[fading stratus]

also ren wtf why are you severely underlevelled

[sharp kernel]

Fitting metrona mon

[random stream]

I also gave steroids to the trainer levels like ryuji

tm01 is fire punch and salt can learn it

[sharp kernel]

Jolly nature blaziken, how the hell did you manage that

[random stream]

@void herald I shall try to keep you alive

[void herald]

[outer eagle]

that's the typical Challenge Mode level jump Ren

i didn't boost the level percentage at all

[random stream]

[outer eagle]

the good thing is that now that i'm in Castelia i can grind levels very quickly

[fading stratus]

alternatively you can like use rare candies if grinding gets tedious

[random stream]

No candies

[outer eagle]

i don't typically EV-Train b4 hand, so i try to get EVs as much as possible through regular grinding

[fading stratus]

main series games are easy as it is anyway

even without ev trainning

[outer eagle]

yeah but hey, this is a pretty strict nuzlocke run after all so i do need to take some precautions

not to the point of EV training ofc, cuz that's too boring

i do have level caps + no healing items + extra mons/items for bosses after all

[fading stratus]

yeah idt i've ever grinded to max out my ev and stuff at all in nuzlockes

[random stream]

I normally dont ev train too much yeah, but it did come up a few times

Emerald mono poison HC nuzlocke I committed whismur genocide so my party got maxed hp evs for wattson and tate&liza

[fading stratus]

can you even like beat roxie with just dustox

[random stream]

yes but it took like 15 tries

I didnt actually bother resetting 15 times but just threw myself at the fight over and over

since it just results in the same thing

[fading stratus]

did you just 6 harden and hoped for no crit

[random stream]

Yeah you have to harden 6 times prayge for rock tomb misses

[outer eagle]

should have EV both HP and DEF then

[random stream]

Yeh

[outer eagle]

you also did some level edging right

[fading stratus]

you need to edge

or else you definitely arent winning

those couple hp should matter

[outer eagle]

HP and Def

[fading stratus]

yeah

[outer eagle]

extra levels during the early game is so much more impactful than those during late game

[fading stratus]

yeah

[random stream]

Yeah kill geodude level up

[fading stratus]

how much hits does confusion even need to kill nosepass

[outer eagle]

probably 3

[fading stratus]

quick calcs say 6

Lvl 16 0 SpA Dustox Confusion vs. Lvl 15 0 HP / 0 SpD Nosepass: 5-7 (13.1 - 18.4%) -- possible 6HKO

[outer eagle]

oh Nosepass

read Geodude for a second

[fading stratus]

3 to geodude, yeah

Lvl 16 0 SpA Dustox Confusion vs. Lvl 12 0 HP / 0 SpD Geodude: 12-15 (34.2 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[random stream]

youve to burn some potions for beodude

[fading stratus]

chet

[outer eagle]

oh you're allowed to heal?

[random stream]

No like

roxanne heals geodude

[fading stratus]

oh

[outer eagle]

ah

[fading stratus]

that

[random stream]

I went for poison sting poison fish on nosepass because of the potion also

[outer eagle]

well 2 hits should always put it in healing range

[fading stratus]

yeah

[random stream]

This was the endgame team (you have exactly 7 encounters, dustox died somewhere in the 40s). Also this is vanilla emerald sans a decapitalization mod

[fading stratus]

i'd definitely never play a mono poison emerald locke

[random stream]

I like it because its more possible than r/s
you just arent beating metagross

[outer eagle]

i read that as decapitation mod

[random stream]

[outer eagle]

isn't there anything better than Seviper

[random stream]

Ryuji you have 7 encounters

[outer eagle]

that one is triggering me

[random stream]

Dustox died

[fading stratus]

ren you have 8

ariados exists

[random stream]

oh huh

Isnt ariados post game

[fading stratus]

is it?

[random stream]

Also crobat hard carried

[outer eagle]

safari zone extension

[fading stratus]

safari zone yeah

[random stream]

Also seviper is still better than ariados

[fading stratus]

apparently grimer at fiery path

[random stream]

eq flamethrower etc

Grimer and koffing share the spot

[outer eagle]

idk man Bug Poison has some pretty neat resistances all things considered

[fading stratus]

seviper is route 114

not safari zone

[outer eagle]

safari zone is spinarak

[fading stratus]

well ren said this

[random stream]

Yeah spinarak is post game

Koffing / grimer are both in fiery path boltz

[outer eagle]

i will die on the hill that Ariados is better than Seviper but since it's post-game it doesn't matter

[cunning osprey]

What is this?

[fading stratus]

wwhen was quiver dance introduced again?

[random stream]

gen 5

[outer eagle]

gen 5

[maiden flax]

Grimer and koffing arent bad

[outer eagle]

for in-game playthroughs, Muk and Weezing are amazing

[maiden flax]

Im of the opinion that had alolan muk and galarian weezing gotten reliable recovery that they would have been ou

[random stream]

Oh speaking of which metrona, im actually getting some decent success with alolan muk in OU right now

[maiden flax]

Yeah!

[fading stratus]

you can probably cheese with minimise strat too
muk good

[random stream]

shored up the lack of recovery with black sludge + protect and grassy terrain rillaboom support

[maiden flax]

AV alolan muk is very cool

Ooo

[outer eagle]

Weezing was OU viable in gen 3 iirc

[maiden flax]

Black sludge protect with grassy works well

[random stream]

yeah im using a pretty gross set

knock off body slam poison jab protect

[maiden flax]

Dark poison and poison fairy are both like amazing defensive typings

Ooo body slam is evil with poison touch

Either get parad or poisoned

[random stream]

Yeah! friend introduced it to me

[outer eagle]

is PJab not enough

[random stream]

yellow magic is broken

But you can run drain punch for kingambit

[fading stratus]

alolan muk will win world's trust

[outer eagle]

inb4 Drapion wins worlds

[fading stratus]

alolan muk is actually a really neat defensive mon

although pinch berries arent as good anymore

[outer eagle]

wake me up when some chad wins with Power of Alchemy

[fading stratus]

(it wont)

[sharp kernel]

Alolan Muk has been nice to me too since Bolt mentioned it

[random stream]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1891149952-kl8x310fcwnr4m6so7xojvprhse8bv1pw

Alolan muk just farmed this guy

[fading stratus]

what are you on thugs?

gunk shot knock off protect and something else with gluttony figi berry?

could curse or taunt ig as fourth move

[sharp kernel]

Exactly that yeah, gunk shot/knock off/protect/taunt

[outer eagle]

Helping Hand

[fading stratus]

does it even learn helping hand

[outer eagle]

yes

maybe i'm confusing it with regular Muk

[random stream]

Yeah it gets it

[sharp kernel]

Both learn helping hand

[random stream]

Rock tomb for speed control

[outer eagle]

Memento always provides some nice memes

[random stream]

acid spray with chi yu

[fading stratus]

muk is like very bad for speed controlling

when you have fucking eleki and tornadus

[random stream]

Yeah my knowledge and skill is for singles only

[sharp kernel]

Also like chilling water in itself is also good speed control, not to mention icy wind

[fading stratus]

bundle yeah

tho people stopped running icy wind later on because encore good

or you gave up on freeze dry / hydro pump

[sharp kernel]

From the dlc trailer I think we might be getting alolan ninetales, which would be huge for snow teams

[maiden flax]

Ive been playing some doubles recently with raindo

Got to 1600

[fading stratus]

alolan ninetales is just better abomasnow with better typing

[maiden flax]

I like pressing sandsear storm in rain

[sharp kernel]

Yeah, but maybe you run both to diversify your lead options

[fading stratus]

probably not

i should lab teams for series d actually

[sharp kernel]

I’ve been slacking, I got a regionals in September I should be prepping theory for

[fading stratus]

its series d? or c

[sharp kernel]

I believe it should be d, but let me double check

[fading stratus]

if its series c you can just play chi yu balance

palafin balance is also okay ig but it kinda fell off

[sharp kernel]

Huh, now I can’t find it anymore. I swore it said we had a regionals in like Mid September in Baltimore

Well either ways, whenever they come to Baltimore, I’ll go there

[fading stratus]

did you.......look at 2022 schedule

[sharp kernel]

LOL.. you know what, that might be the logical explanation

I was too excited looking for a regionals near me that I might have not looked at the year

[fading stratus]

lmao

wonder what would be a good FWG core in series d

thugs hear me out

zapdos lando lead

[outer eagle]

Discharge EQ?

[fading stratus]

yeah

also tailwind intimidte

[sharp kernel]

I don’t see anything wrong with it tbh, but hear me out here; Rillaboom and Enamorous T

[fading stratus]

i dont know anything about enamorous tbh except I has contrary superpower

[sharp kernel]

It has a cool supportive moveset

[fading stratus]

but isnt it unusable except inTR

[sharp kernel]

Is it? I was just going off the series D rulings

[fading stratus]

wasnt its speed 30

[sharp kernel]

Oh yeah T is 46 speed

I is 106

[fading stratus]

oh 46 i was wwrong

106 speed means it outspeeds eleki post Tailwind too :3

[sharp kernel]

Also has an insane spA stats and a respectable atk stat in I

Oh wait it keeps it’s offensive stats in both forms

So it’s hurting something regardless

[fading stratus]

135 SpA with 106 speed is bonkers tho

[sharp kernel]

We’ll see though, I mean we did just have Iron Valiant not do much at all

[fading stratus]

iron valiant is just not fast enough

ig enamorous too

[sharp kernel]

Iron Valiant is faster iirc

Yeah 116

[fading stratus]

but gets outspeed and otk'd by mane

big reason it isnt playable

[sharp kernel]

I think realistically though for series D, I’m looking at alolan raichu and rillaboom from the returning Pokémon

[fading stratus]

Alolan Raichu?

Rilaboom loses so much tho

high horsepower superpower grassy glide

[maiden flax]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesou-1891166789-l3a04ip5qytbsfthbdje5zxwq478s5mpw look at lando i go

[sharp kernel]

I’m thinking of some cute stuff to try with alolan raichu but we’ll see how it actually works out. And yeah, but I think Rillaboom in general will see use just off his ability/stats alone

[fading stratus]

does boom atleast learn knock off?

[sharp kernel]

Yeah

[fading stratus]

AV

Uturn Woodhammer Fake out Knock off

[sharp kernel]

You had such a tempo advantage off the first few turns, well played on your end

[fading stratus]

its been a while since i saw erruption torkoal

erruption probably best in TR team tho

[bleak pine]

AAAAAAAAA

…Though I can Def see Saltdust being Blaziken

Also ayyyy good job on Brawly

Just gotta find Swampert next for the whole set

[sleek sky]

man hunts for three segment Dudunsparce instead of finishing the game

[bleak pine]

I still love how stupid Dundunsparce is

That’s what newly introduced evolutions ought to peak at

Just, dumb

https://tenor.com/view/dunsparce-gif-14039997421793189622

[warm sky]

No

they need to be cooler

[bleak pine]

There’s room for cool!

Just, personally love it when it’s charmingly dumb

[latent sleet]

i in fact love it because it goes against all that fakemons evos

[bleak pine]

Everyone expected Dunsparse to end up like, some flying sacred serpent of sorts

Instead they just long-d the boy

[latent sleet]

be tsuchinoko, grow another segment, refuse to elaborate

[bleak pine]

Love how it’s a cinnamon roll

If a mon gets lost in it’s nest, it will carry it on it’s back and take it to the exit

[pseudo goblet]

Kinda stings we didn’t get the epic dunsparce evo people wanted at first, but I appreciate dudunsparce ideas, even the segment thing

Iirc tsuchinoko are lucky things, longer Dudunsparce happen base on luck

[bleak pine]

[sleek sky]

beat The Way Home

[warm sky]

grats

[maiden flax]

They are also meant to be somewhat of a joke

[pseudo goblet]

That too

[pseudo goblet]

@mighty storm https://twitter.com/tontaro_/status/1672589185092583426?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

たろー (@tontaro_)

はこフォルムのニャオハ

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[mighty storm]

cute

[bleak pine]

Love the kitty

[random stream]

move upgrades

[bleak pine]

Saltdust simentaneously being a Shotoclone, and Dracula

Also holy shit Suzaku with two multihit moves and technician(?)

[outer eagle]

reset the run cuz i really was leaning on Kyogre and failed a few encounters by forgetting that i had Scope Lens

on the bright side, my starter is one of my favorite gen 3 mons, Claydol

[golden lance]

Wait

Freezai's indian?

[fading stratus]

Yes

[outer eagle]

his voice does sound like it

[golden lance]

Huh

Cool

[harsh path]

I didn’t know that

Huh

[random stream]

just beat 2000 elo rain

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1891582121-yrzia0j9td9y3tcfgde8uwrqmw4ll67pw

@outer eagle @fading stratus @maiden flax

[maiden flax]

Nice

[outer eagle]

I’m afraid of viewing any replay on phone ngl

[maiden flax]

Why?

[outer eagle]

My phone can’t handle DB replays for example, so i’m hesitant to view replays in general on mobile

[fading stratus]

Showdown replays are fine on phone

Atleast on mine

[random stream]

ps replays are pretty light

[maiden flax]

ps replays tend to be very light

Duelling book replays are like... weirdly heavy for some reason

[pseudo goblet]

Figured some fans of the Wooper line would be happy to see this, seeing last weeks episode we saw a Paldean Wooper got hurt

also, good to finally see this old man's own pokemon, a nice one

wtf even the crew member themselves havent seen it, just how rare does this man pulls out his Quagsire

[bleak pine]

QUAG

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-quagy-quagsire-quagsire-cheer-gif-18674387

[fading stratus]

I like quag because huge power quag saved one of my runs

[outer eagle]

i like Water/Ground mons in general

that's a pretty valuable typing to have

[fading stratus]

gastrodon is one of my fav mons

[outer eagle]

my favorite non-legendary water is probably Kingdra?

[random stream]

swampert

[outer eagle]

Swamp would be my favorite gen 3 starter, but that's kinda basic

[pseudo goblet]

Palpitoed less popular of the water ground club I assume

That’s how you say it’s name right

Wait it’s the evo I’m thinking, how do you spell it…

Seismitoed?

[outer eagle]

hey at least you can't be less popular than Whiscash

and even Whiscash is not a bad mon

[pseudo goblet]

Oh yeah, that I did forget lol

[random stream]

Seismitoad

[outer eagle]

the pre-DLC gen 8 extraordinaire

[pseudo goblet]

Too many good water mon to pinpoint which one I like the most

[bleak pine]

Swampert is very nice

Just beeg mud fish with man arms

Literally tows cruisers while swimming

[outer eagle]

gigachad grindset

benchpresses cruisers

[bleak pine]

Swampert honestly is a Gigachad among starters

On top of that it actually does have the highest stat average among all of them

[pseudo goblet]

Swampert the ol reliable

[fading stratus]

bisharp

[outer eagle]

water

[fading stratus]

oh water

[pseudo goblet]

The thought of Bisharp with water blades came to my mind seeing this lol

[fading stratus]

probably milotic or clawitzer then

[outer eagle]

favorite non-legendary dark would definitely be Bisharp for me

barely edging out Hydreigon

[fading stratus]

my second fav dark is probs drapion

after bisharp ofc

[pseudo goblet]

Either Umbreon or Krookodile

Oooh Malamar my beloved, contrary Superpower throughout my UltraSun playthrough

[fading stratus]

evolving malamar was so weird

"just flip your fucking ds"

[outer eagle]

Malamar is pretty ass anyways

so i never cared enough to bother

[fading stratus]

its okayish

[pseudo goblet]

Huh, 482 base stat total

[fading stratus]

bst wouldn't have mattered if they min maxed but oh well

[outer eagle]

i wouldn't just look at raw bst also

but "effective" bst at least

cuz most mons have 1 stat they do not use

[fading stratus]

generally atk or spa

sometimes speed ig

[outer eagle]

ofc, even an average effective bst is not anything crippling

look at Ferrothorn

one of the best mons ever, with effective bst of 435

[fading stratus]

grass steel is a decent defensive typing

[outer eagle]

Malamar falls into that weird case of just being average to bad in everything

so even with a salvagable bst it's still not good

[fading stratus]

9 resistances and 1 immunity
did i count that right?

11 prior gen 6

[outer eagle]

ferro?

[fading stratus]

10 ig since no fairy

ye

[outer eagle]

11 resistences and 1 immunity yeah

[fading stratus]

10

[outer eagle]

true

[random stream]

is it bc we arent counting spa?

[fading stratus]

yeah

[outer eagle]

yes

[random stream]

Clefable has 413 then

and she's one of the greatest to ever do it

yeah so pokemon are the sum of their parts pretty much

[pseudo goblet]

My favorite ice type has gotta be Mamoswine, second being A-Vulpix/Ninetales

[outer eagle]

A-Ninetales in theory should be one of my favorite Ice types

but i don't use it enough competitively to truly develop a fondness for it

[fading stratus]

shedinja probably has like 200 effective bst\

[outer eagle]

well yeah but nobody's ranking Shedinja as one of the best ever

[bleak pine]

Wobbuffet

[fading stratus]

immunities are amazing in nuzlocke

[bleak pine]

Only has HP going for it

HP is all it needs

[fading stratus]

azumarill probably has like 380 or something effective bst

[outer eagle]

i play randomizers most of the times

and Shed has so many weaknesses that it just randomly dies all the times

[fading stratus]

well i dont play randomisers generally

[fading stratus]

360

[pseudo goblet]

Oh I forgot to share this https://youtube.com/shorts/2ivPiF7QLSg?feature=share

Bro, that Venusaur

[outer eagle]

to keep it in theme with the Charizard bias Zard should have both past and future forms, while Venu only has past and Blastoise future

[fading stratus]

future paradox blastoise colorized

[fading stratus]

when are we getting paradoxes of the starters of gen 9 tho

[outer eagle]

never

just like we didn't get Megas of gen 6 starters

[fading stratus]

we did get exclusive g max and z moves for 7 and 8 tho

[outer eagle]

those are probably easier to code than making a new form entirely

[pseudo goblet]

Also, that would be more like a new Pokémon and less of a gimmick form, that’s Tera’s job

[fading stratus]

I should play a nuzlocke actually

[sharp kernel]

Aw I missed the water ground talk

I like seismitoad

[fading stratus]

Too late smh

[outer eagle]

Got an Impish Magic Guard Gliscor with Bonemerang and Brave Bird. That was…lucky, to say the least.

[sleek sky]

working on the Scarlet post-game gym rematches

also gonna ask my sister if she can find her old Sword copy

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/LexiconVGC/status/1672978704497008642

Alex Underhill (@LexiconVGC)

VGC leads alignment chart

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Twitter · Jun 25, 2023, 2:43 PM

[sharp kernel]

I have sword what do you need

Wait actually I have shield nvm

[sleek sky]

No I wanna play through Sword lol

[sharp kernel]

Ah okay

[fading stratus]

What about jumpluff torkoal

[random stream]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1892080228-8cedfkmd6dkxnikcc85csz49jgl8hfcpw

Gholdengo does it again

[bleak pine]

Lookin’ cool Ren

[fading stratus]

Globro with quick claw has like 40% chance to outspeed the opponent right?

[outer eagle]

44% according to Bulb

[short heath]

Rewatching Pikachu vs Charizard in ultimate journeys

It makes me mad

[fading stratus]

Which one is ultimate journeys again?

XY?

[sleek sky]

I think it's the final Ash season

[pseudo goblet]

Elaborate, please

[short heath]

Why didn't other battles in that tournament look that good

Ash vs Leon and Pikachu vs Charizard

Are separate fights

[pseudo goblet]

Since I was just about to share this here too

https://youtu.be/fKBl1Ra7GLg

[pseudo goblet]

Oh okay, I thought there was something wrong with Pikachu vs Charizard there for a sec

[pseudo goblet]

Budget problem most likely btw

[short heath]

Either budget or time

Honestly leaning towards time

We all know how strict the anime is in scheduling

[outer eagle]

interesting how much shit they jammed into Castelia City
and this is not even the case like Lumiose where you can only explore 1/3 of the city initially

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/anipoke-pokemon-ash-pikachu-anime-gif-25272790

Honestly, Liko and Roy are pretty decent protagonists so far, so well that I’m not as sad not seeing Ash now

[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/mikripkm/status/1673165572874600453?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

미크리pkm (@mikripkm)

🏀

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[sharp kernel]

https://youtu.be/deBHpCatsqc

[fading stratus]

oh he played a chi yu, amoongus, gyarados balance team

feel like Swords hands is getting more popular nowadays over AV hands

[sharp kernel]

He threw out a lot of ideas I might try

safety goggles chi yu is a pretty good idea

[fading stratus]

feel like i've seen goggles chi yu somewhere else

also lefties chi yu

[sharp kernel]

I've seen lefties chi yu yeah

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1673375573949796352

Pokémon (@Pokemon)

New Paldea region Poké Plush have arrived at Pokémon Center! ✨

Who are you bringing home with you, Trainers? 🤎💛🤍

Find Paldean Wooper, Fidough, and Cetitan at https://t.co/s4lulSq0iF

Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 5:00 PM

da woop, and bread dog

[sharp kernel]

Imagine topping with only 5 days of prep

[fading stratus]

Dude literally got top 4 with a team he made the other day

[sharp kernel]

I need to start taking notes the way he does

especially post home

[fading stratus]

You should make sheets for matchups ev spreads and such

And common teams as well as leads

[sharp kernel]

Yeah, I'm going to start that asap, since getting all that data will take a while anyways

[fading stratus]

Probably post world's tbh

Because we have no idea what's good rn

It's entirely uncharted territory

I could help you make notes for potential good mons tho

Like say monke

Or the genies

[sharp kernel]

Yeah, I'm going to def start saving a bunch of data points/references. I need to see the first series D tournament to see what's changed

https://twitter.com/VGCdata/status/1667572298927284224?s=20

VGC Data (@VGCdata)

📊 First look at VGC 2023 Regulation D

Data compiled from top-rated Showdown replays

▶️ 70 teams at 1400+ on ladder
🔽 Usage stats for individual Pokémon and cores in next tweet

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Twitter · Jun 10, 2023, 4:39 PM

[fading stratus]

We could also look at past year datas ig

[fading stratus]

A lot of this is kinda surprising for me

[sharp kernel]

Ting Lu basically died overnight it looks like

which makes sense

but also

it could be new toy syndrome

and people are just experimenting

[fading stratus]

Yooo my fav legend ice horse is there

I really wanted to lab it with tr

[bleak pine]

Honse

[fading stratus]

What does regidrago even do

[bleak pine]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-stare-gif-24811292

[sharp kernel]

This is the most interesting team I see

[bleak pine]

I picked Spectrier in the Crown Tundra and I really like the spooky horse

But part of me wished I picked Glastrier instead

[fading stratus]

Seems like hybrid TR team

It just feels like a adaptation of early TR + murkrow teams

Because those used farigiraf too

[sharp kernel]

We got server regulars out here topping the ladder too smh

[fading stratus]

Noct based

[sharp kernel]

@foggy oxide explain yourself

[fading stratus]

Didn't know noct plays Pokémon too

This honestly doesn't look like a team noct would play

Except earthworm ig

He'd play something like season 2 teams with a twist

[bleak pine]

The Alaskan Bull Worm

[foggy oxide]

I played showdown for a while

[sharp kernel]

ah this is what I wanted to see https://twitter.com/VGCdata/status/1673379003300823062?s=20

VGC Data (@VGCdata)

Small up and down trends we can see:
📈 Chien-Pao
📉 Tornadus, Cresselia

Gholdengo is having great performances, often paired with Tornadus, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, Amoonguss and/or Chien-Pao

Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 5:13 PM

[foggy oxide]

This isn't me though

[bleak pine]

It’s Big, Scary, and Pink

[fading stratus]

Heatran Urshifu Rilaboom might as well be new fire water grass core

I was searching for a decent fire water grass core but forgot heatran existed

This makes a lot of sense

[fading stratus]

Also gholdengo probably shines in a format with no runes(like ting lu or chi yu) as they mentioned

[sharp kernel]

We'll see. Good thing about Series D is that it's basically a fresh start, so we'll see a decent amount of changes

outside of urshifu

that's probably just a staple

[fading stratus]

Urshifu is just really good

[sharp kernel]

with that in mind though, I would probably start with what's really good vs Urshifu and common Urshifu pairings

[fading stratus]

Biggest problem of urshifu I can see it it immediately gets threatened by mane

[fading stratus]

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 158-188 (90.2 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Oh it's not a guarantee

[sand forge]

why did Ting Lu die

[fading stratus]

Literally Urshifu

Ting lu was good because it was extremely hard to break

[sand forge]

and then crit water bear shows up

[fading stratus]

Yeah

[bleak pine]

Skadoosh

[fading stratus]

Thought about it a bit and sash urshifu is probably okay depending on the partner

[sleek sky]

doing five star raids now

cashing in a lot of XP candies to get up to the proper level for those raids

[placid junco]

https://twitter.com/hoennhoeout/status/1672766226991292416?s=61&t=cBZvUrdAQBg9SBrQp2_2KA

Krish 🌊 & 🎺 (@hoennhoeout)

My uncle works at GameFreak, he told me this is canon

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[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/kan_225_/status/1673271065496403968?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

kano (@Kan_225_)

黒の色違いポケモン

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Twitter · Jun 26, 2023, 10:04 AM

[sleek sky]

I have no Nintendo Online, so I'm stuck with the AI helpers

they are not exactly doing a good enough job

[harsh path]

Shiny Wooloo looks really neat

[sleek sky]

Well, now I have a Level 90 Tinkaton with Swords Dance

hmm

I am considering purchasing Nintendo Online

[mighty storm]

do it

[fading stratus]

Btw @sharp kernel should I calc for scarf eleki or regular eleki

[sharp kernel]

Regular eleki

[fading stratus]

If eleki gets popular there might be a consensus to run scarf eleki to outspeed other elekis but probably offensive life orb eleki or support light clay eleki will be more popular

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-phantump-falling-asleep-sleepy-zzz-gif-20883168

[bleak pine]

Man, having Decidueye but not Incineroar (and Primarima I guess) in Scarlet/Violet is messing with me

The blazing wrestling tiger was just too great

Whoa you go big guy

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/andhisnameisjohncena-gif-21796131

[bleak pine]

The characterization Incineroar has is just the best

It’s a heel and it loves every minute of it

[bleak pine]

It helps that Incineroar is pretty popular in many aspects of Pokemon, from battling to the anime

It’s still super cool in Super Smash Bros., but most don’t enjoy how it plays

Pose for the fans

[fading stratus]

Incineroar is like one of the best mons in the whole game too

[bleak pine]

BY GOD IT’S INCINEROAR FROM BEHIND WITH A METAL CHAIR

WHAT ARE YOU DOING REFS

BUT, yeah it’s got most any kind of move for a situation

[fading stratus]

Give it a foul

[bleak pine]

Darkest Lariat, Fake Out, a good bit of coverage, it’s amazing what the wrestling tiger can do

[fading stratus]

Parting shot

Knock off

Flare blitz

[spice rivet]

Throat chop to stop opposing Incin Parting Shots lmao

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-incineroar-cat-hurry-food-please-gif-13530281

[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/tontaro_/status/1673634323986264066?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

たろー (@tontaro_)

ふみふみ合戦

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Twitter · Jun 27, 2023, 10:08 AM

[fading stratus]

@sharp kernel after theorising a bit i found a really great hyperoffensive lead
prankster tailwind tornadus and choice scarf urshifu

also deciding between offensive life orb zapdos vs offensive life orb thundurus t for something else

[outer eagle]

farming a Moon Stone for Clefairy wasn't supposed to take half an hour but apparently it does

[fading stratus]

hey on the bright side you probably have gazillion gems

[outer eagle]

More like 5

Cuz i reset every time my Exploring Pass Power runs out

[fading stratus]

it was 50% chance for gems 40% for forgor what and 10% for 1 of 12 evo stones right?

[outer eagle]

I don’t really know the specifics myself

There is a chance to be a wild encounter as well

[fading stratus]

yeah 40% wild encounter probs

[outer eagle]

Hopefully Clef doesn’t die immediately to Clay after that much time investment

[fading stratus]

that would be anticlimactic

[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/lury_sgh/status/1673481306007650304?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

.°~ 𝕃𝕦𝕣𝕪 ꜱɢʜ ~°. (@lury_sgh)

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Twitter · Jun 27, 2023, 12:00 AM

[fading stratus]

am i high rn or the non ho-oh mon not real

[outer eagle]

I’m certain it isn’t

[short heath]

Its a digimon

[warm sky]

Yeah it's Hououmon

[outer eagle]

Almost got swept by a fucking Contrary Draco Meteor DNite

still lost 2 mons in the process

[outer eagle]

and now i have an Imposter Clef

would have been useful 4 fights ago considering i have Scarf

[random stream]

[warm sky]

Clef is sus

[bleak pine]

Clef

[random stream]

gonna take a break from OU for a bit, it's just not the same without clef

[fading stratus]

join reg d ren

[outer eagle]

Natdex OU

[fading stratus]

AG

[outer eagle]

Force feeding my Clef a bunch of Power Lunches provides an...interesting imagery

[bleak pine]

chomky

[random stream]

[cunning osprey]

I kinda wished instead of both Alan and Diantha, one of them was replaced with someone from Alola

so that the final tournament would have big names from all of the regions

[fading stratus]

Ash is Alolan Champion

[sharp kernel]

Btw did the new Pokémon anime start yet?

[cunning osprey]

yes

[sleek sky]

Just beat the Academy Ace Tournament for the first time

[cunning osprey]

I kinda wished the paradoxes followed the design logic of “they gain something by losing something”

I think it would have helped made them more distinct especially for the future guys

And I don’t mean types I mean more so in abilities

[golden lance]

How do ppl figure out ev spreads

Do they just run 30 calcs and see how much bulk to invest?

[warm sky]

I assume you just go by "okay this pokemon is pretty common, and I want it to survive x ammount of hits from this mon at full health, so let me calculate how much I need to invest for that"

If you arne't just doing 252/252/4 spreads

[fading stratus]

Yeah

Or basically if a mon has say 177 speed you invest enough to get 178 if you wanna surely outspeed it

[sharp kernel]

@fading stratus should I do the breeding I have to do in swso or sv?

[outer eagle]

Specs Tinted Lens Eruption Arcanine is a great sweeper

[outer eagle]

Seeing Hugh's reckless and self-destructive behavior throughout the game really makes me wish there was an option to just abandon his ass and let his Pokemon be stolen.
Even Barry had to learn to stop being a reckless moron after losing to Jupiter.

[random stream]

True kid

Sighmma

[outer eagle]

Combusken is so frail wtf
Just Imposter transformed into it and the wild Combusken died to a Vacuum Wave

[slate marlin]

You guys wanna hear a tragedy?

[pseudo goblet]

Shoot

[twin shard]

There are ways to use linear algebra in excel to create a spread that would beat certain values you’re prone to facing (example: goal to beat 100 speed and X sp def and X HP, etc) but I can’t for the life of me remember the name of that method even though I work on it lmao

[fading stratus]

Uhh I honestly don't have enough breeding experience in SwSh to definitely say about it

[fading stratus]

Don't slander my boy smh

[slate marlin]

Alright, so I once was in the Viridian Forest.

I was wandering through the tall grass, until I found an unexpected Mon- a Pikachu! My first one of the game!

I tried to catch it, but it broke free.

When I tried damaging it, I one-shotted it.

[latent sleet]

truly a tragedy of mankind

[slate marlin]

I wonder if this could win an Oscar?

[pseudo goblet]

https://twitter.com/avhycch3x80kcue/status/1674032571259420672?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

フキダシコットン『1日1枚‼』 (@avHYCcH3x80KCUE)

顔の模様は、目出し帽だったゴンべ
#ポケモン #Pokémon #イラスト

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Twitter · Jun 28, 2023, 12:30 PM

[random stream]

[outer eagle]

An Ambipom i caught a while ago has Toxic Boost and can relearn Facade + Sacred Fire

[fading stratus]

silk scarf would go crazy if you pre poisoned it or just orb

[random stream]

the carry

just uh dont let it eat hits

[outer eagle]

nah my carry is Magic Guard Gliscor or Tinted Lens Eruption Arcanine

it's a cool 5th mon to use so i do like Ambipom tho

[fading stratus]

that is a team of all time

i really like gliscor because poison heal gliscor has carried me in a lot of playthroughs

[slate marlin]

What do you guys think of having HM slaves?

[outer eagle]

It’s a necessity in some games

Thankfully the gen i play the most (5) has close to zero need for HMs for traversal so i never have a HM Slave

Well, aside from Surf if i want to get all the items in a certain area i suppose, but Surf is a great move by itself so no hassle for me

[pseudo goblet]

Never had em, first game UltraSun and haven’t play anything prior

[sacred hatch]

Hm's were/are an aspect of game design that made Pokemon games more challenging.
Either because Nintendo/whoever is developing the games aimed to make the game easier(universal XP being another way this was done), or because technological or graphic capabilities make it harder/impossible, they were removed.

I liked them because they made the game more challenging, but for some who just didn't want to carry an hm slave, or build a team around making sure you had the relevant hm's distributed throughout the party, they probably found it tedious

[fading stratus]

its more annoying that tedious tbh

[maiden flax]

there have been a total of 1 non-uber fire type with 270+ combined defenses with reliable recovery

[fading stratus]

how many of then are even there

1?

[maiden flax]

Including the ubers there have been 3 whole fire types with reliable recovery and more the 270+ combined defenses

[crimson moat]

The big problem with HMs were that not only did the moves suck, they were often redundant

[maiden flax]

Correction
Surf was great

All the rest sucked and were often redundant

[fading stratus]

waterfall

fly

[maiden flax]

So is waterfall for that matter

[maiden flax]

Fly sucks

[crimson moat]

Surf and Strength an exception to suckage, but you had freaking waterfall later which was worse until gen 4

[fading stratus]

it didnt back in the day

[crimson moat]

Strength was often redundant too

[fading stratus]

also had 100 accuracy

[crimson moat]

Fly absolutely sucks

[maiden flax]

Why strength when body slam

[sand forge]

Fly was fun

[crimson moat]

Strength was there just for pokes to have something of a normal move if no body slam

But like I said, often redundant

[maiden flax]

And then return happened

[crimson moat]

Return royally screwed it out of use

Especially in plat when you get return at the beginning of the game

Fly was often just worse than even something like Wing Attack

[maiden flax]

I think gamefreak regrets return and fraustration and hidden power

[sand forge]

Fly allowed dodging at least

[crimson moat]

When did you need that?

[sand forge]

Which probably made it appear better than it was

[maiden flax]

Its not like you were exactly dodging much, youd still be taking damage on the turn after as if you used a regular move

[crimson moat]

I think the only time where smart protecting / avoiding was useful was Norman

Which you could not have Fly by then

(It’s also part of the reason Mudkip line is OP in gen 3 games, as Marshtomp got Protect)

[fading stratus]

mudkip also like solos first 3 gyms

[crimson moat]

Yes

“Part of the reason”

“Part”

[maiden flax]

There have been a total of 3 non-ubers steel type with 270+ defenses and reliable recovery

Corviknight, gholdengo, skarmory

[fading stratus]

i kinda liked fly was it was a "accessible" flying move which wasnt just one use like aerial ace

[sand forge]

I guess I never played hyper-optimally when I was a child

[maiden flax]

Child me understood that dragon dance was really good

[crimson moat]

The problem was that if your Pokémon ever got Wing Attack even, that beat Fly

You’d need a fly user with like
Peck only

[maiden flax]

And that status raising effects werent worth it unless they did more for you then simply hitting the opponent twice

[sand forge]

Why press buff button when can press damage button

[maiden flax]

Child me was good at math (still good at math but child me liked math)

[crimson moat]

Same, imma Math kid

[maiden flax]

Child me beat pokemon ruby before being able to read

[sand forge]

Child me hated Elite 4 Shiftry

[maiden flax]

Also helped my older sister beat sapphire

[sand forge]

[crimson moat]

Reminder that gen 5 onward, Tackle was objectively better than Cut

[fading stratus]

am i high or doesn't tackle have 95 accuracy

[crimson moat]

Tackle went to 100 accuracy and 50 power in gen 5

[sleek sky]

Cut is a cutting move
And so is boosted by... the ability that boosts cutting moves

[crimson moat]

An ability that didn’t exist while cut was an HM

[fading stratus]

oh it did? feel like it was 50/95
probably forgetting since ive only played older games recently

[crimson moat]

That was the discussion

HMs being redundant, boring, and weak bar surf

[maiden flax]

It was 95 before gen 5

30/95 iirc

[crimson moat]

It went from 35/95 to 50/100

Cut remained at 50/95

[maiden flax]

Right 35

Reduced to 40

Probably after they realized that it made cut invalid

[crimson moat]

Yeah and after HMs were removed

[maiden flax]

You know another move i bet gamefreak regrets making? Pursuit

[fading stratus]

I really hate that move

but like wasnt it removed in gen 7 or 8

[crimson moat]

8

Pursuit was removed in gen 8

[sharp kernel]

you know what move I know Gamefreak loves? Toxic. Especially with the dlc pokemon all having pseudo toxic in ability form

[fading stratus]

realistically speaking the probability percentage will make or break that ability

[sharp kernel]

The better question to ask rn would be, what's the best move gamefreak ever created

[fading stratus]

fake out

[sharp kernel]

a real VGC-er would have said Trick room Bolt smh

[fading stratus]

tailwind tho

Scald Knock off U turn come to mind

[sharp kernel]

nah fuck scald

actual dog shit design

[fading stratus]

As a milotic stan scald is one of my fav moves

[sharp kernel]

Revival Blessing comes to mind as well designed ( for now )

[maiden flax]

Astral barrage

[fading stratus]

ig glacial lance too

[maiden flax]

The 120
No downside
Spread move

So its not only good in singles
Its good in doubles

Unlike rage fist and last respects who are infinite better in singles than doubles

[fading stratus]

Calyrex shadow won worlds, yes

Ice was so close man i really wanted TR to win

[sharp kernel]

spoken like somebody that's never been swept by annihilape + maushold lead smh

[maiden flax]

Yes cause ive killed every single one ive faced lol

[fading stratus]

its funny that annhilape was only good for scarf final gambit for like a whole month in doubles

[sharp kernel]

ig because it was the most obvious build

then people realized "oh shit this pokemon can do more stuff?!"

[fading stratus]

same with current iron hands tbh

[maiden flax]

The mon with garchomp stats minus spatk can do stuff!?

[fading stratus]

people are realising it can swords dance and not just vest

[sharp kernel]

I'm still upset Wolfey really top 4'd with only 5 days prep

[fading stratus]

realistically it was like 2

wolfey isnt attending nawcq iirc so it'd be funny if he gets out of the top 8 race

[sharp kernel]

he has 1 more event hes going to no? or was that it for him?

[fading stratus]

nawcq is last event iirc

wolfey is also the most consistent player rn

[sharp kernel]

that would be crazy if he gets knocked out of top 8 points lmao

yeah, he's topped every event he's attended

[fading stratus]

yeah he's at fourth as of now

[sharp kernel]

we'll see how that translates though

[fading stratus]

got 9th in 1 or 2

[sharp kernel]

is 9th not a top?

[fading stratus]

nope

[sharp kernel]

ah TDIL

[fading stratus]

its 14 rounds of swiss into top 8

[sharp kernel]

god man, 14 rounds of swiss into 3 high pressure matches sounds fucking exhausting

[fading stratus]

yeah

also like you need to get X-2 to have chance of topping

worst thing about it is only day 2 tiebreakers

so if you go 9-0 day 1 and 3-2 day 2 you might not even top

[sharp kernel]

how big are VGC regionals usually?

[fading stratus]

1000ish i wanna say

[sharp kernel]

that's really fucking insane

[fading stratus]

oh fresno had only 285

generally it should be like min 600 to 1000

[sharp kernel]

I would think whether they have it in baltimore or DC after worlds it would be around that range, since they don't seem to hit this area that often

finding an edge is going to be damn hard

[fading stratus]

also thugs wanna make a bet on whether tornadus or thundurus will be more popular in top 32 world's

[sharp kernel]

depends who you got, I think recent history tells us thundurus

[fading stratus]

if its reg d the meta will be "solved" by then but if they make the legendaries non legal post world's it'd be such a fun format

[fading stratus]

thundurus did win last world's and had 3/8 teams in top 8 but this time around we have a crucial piece missing

[sharp kernel]

eh tbh, even a mane hit would go a long way, but I doubt we'll see any of the paradox or treasures hit

[fading stratus]

whimsicott

[fading stratus]

it could be like last game where they make certain mons legal for a season or two

[sharp kernel]

hmm, maybe, but idk Thundurus was putting in so much work last world's, it's hard for me to think it won't do the same again

[fading stratus]

also zapdos does get tailwind now so its weird

[fading stratus]

thundurus was also good because gmax