They do
#Pokemon
maiden flax
bleak pine
Ahhh
maiden flax
Which is the point
I was pointing out
maiden flax
Axolotls are a type of salamander whose unique trait is that even through adulthood they keep the outward gills
maiden flax
However most salamanders have those outward gills when still young
mighty storm
paldean wooper is a newt
just like clodsire, spanish ribbed newts can weaponize their ribs
and best part? They have toxins (so wash your hands after holding to be extra safe) and friendly to humans
@maiden flax
maiden flax
Yup
void herald
sand forge
I thought they were seperate species. Hmm!
They are
Salamander isn't a species
It's a massive grouping
wild imp
Reactions to the new SV OU tiering announcements from me
Regieleki:OU
Glad my boy lived and happy to see he’s here
: OU
My man zamazenta better be OU or I’ll be Madge
Spectrier :Ubers
Obvious, glad everyone agrees he can fuck off
random stream
@maiden flax https://youtu.be/rdicoccJUBA
bleak pine
Moth man
bleak pine
Alright, gonna ask the crowd
What would be your Sync Pair, in the context of Masters?
Just wondering is all
bleak pine
Good choice
random stream
Clef or Swampert 
placid junco
Golisopod or Minior
pseudo goblet
What would be *your* Sync Pair, in the context of Masters?
Cinderace I suppose
Or Vikavolt
Btw IF we can’t have repeats with the sync pairs in game already, Mawile was taken by Marnie, Swampert with May so I guess Ren gets Clefable, Golisopod with Guzma so space rock for copper 
bleak pine
For me, I'm guessing Blaziken, or Teddiursa/Ursaring/Ursaluna
pseudo goblet
I kinda want a Legends mon be in Masters 😔
We don’t have that yet
Hmm, @bleak pine @mighty storm and I think @spice rivet are the shiny hunters, thinking I wanna go back hunting, any suggestion which mon I should get?
spice rivet
Most the Hisuians are real nice, my suggestion would be Shiny H Voltorb/Electrode
pseudo goblet
Limits to 3ds UltraSun with most of my switch games tho
spice rivet
Although due to the Conditions of RNG manipulation in PLA, its best to hunt multiple mons that way you can load in each area depending on where the MMO are
pseudo goblet
Wait do Legends Voltorb dies if they explode???
I guess I could try shiny hunt a Rowlet in UltraSun while I run around Hisui
What Pokémon can I do with SOS method again… 
https://twitter.com/tatumi079sub/status/1652264254735798272?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw
Why the vermin attacking baby bug! 
mighty storm
Hmm, <@456226577798135808> <@268199601817780234> and I think <@14535001052610560...
oricorio
pseudo goblet
Oooh, good one, or Minior too, Oricorio can SOS right, iirc Minior can
Thx to the time I spent on my shiny Beldum on electric trial mountain 💀
mighty storm
you can also shiny hunt oricorio (with a side potential for charcadet) in scarlet/violet
with fire sandwiches
pseudo goblet
That method I’m considering as well
Still thinking if I want to hunt two different mon at the same time or focus on one mon with two consoles
sand forge
maiden flax
<@127328689397432320> https://youtu.be/rdicoccJUBA
yeah!
mighty storm
<:peepojuice:527758217095413761>
wait how was flamethrower super effective on sylveon?
and the hyper voice (which is fairy if sylveon is pixelate) not?
fading stratus
It's clearly inverse battle 
mighty storm
ah right terastalize,
sand forge
Tera steel to avoid Sunflora Gunk Shot
Then Calm Mind to mitigate Wake
Until it crit
tacit sphinx
Tera steel to avoid Sunflora Gunk Shot
do you realise how absolutely mindboggling it is to see “sunflora” in any message about comp
maiden flax
do you realise how absolutely mindboggling it is to see “sunflora” in any messag...
Sunflora is suprisingly good in rand bat
harsh path
I am being flashbanged with words
maiden flax
Cause they gave it way more levels, an actually nice move set (looking at you brave bird moltres) and a choice specs
tacit sphinx
Cause they gave it way more levels, an actually nice move set (looking at you br...
Is Randbat just
Stadium Rentals
sand forge
Ye Sunflora in Randbats is a major threat
I'm not sure what level it actually is though
tacit sphinx
- everything has a fixed movepool
- good mons have dogshit moves and less stats for “balancing”
- bad mons get some buffs
sand forge
Similar to Luvdisc I assume it's just been beefed up past 100
maiden flax
I'm not sure what level it actually is though
Like high 90s
Luvdisc in randbats is still bad .-.
sand forge
Zacian & Miraidon are the lowest at like 65, iirc?
maiden flax
Yeah both are still very powerful wven there
sand forge
My only request is they remove Tropius stall
Keep the other Leech Seed stallers if you must
But Harvest is so annoying
maiden flax
There are certain mons where you are happy to find it with a certain moveset and hate others
Ie. Hurricane frosmoth is really bad but getting the sets without hurricane makes for a pretty good quiver dancer
Polteageist shell smash is very threatening if its the stored power set and very underwhelming if its the shadow ball one
maiden flax
But Harvest is so annoying
So keep arboliva who also has harvest leech seed?
sand forge
I think Arboliva is more manageable imo
Slower, no super effective attacking move, no ground immunity, weak to fighting
pseudo goblet
I kinda want a Legends mon be in Masters 😔
https://twitter.com/pokemonmasters/status/1662307751312211970?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw
I SWEAR, THIS IS A COINCIDENCE, wtf 
placid junco
It was inevitable
spice rivet
Wait do Legends Voltorb dies if they explode???
Use a Ghost type so Explosion will fail
spice rivet
Also yo, theres a kid that apparently coming into my town thats going to Pokemon TCG Worlds for the 12 and under category. He asked my locals who the best player is and they said me so I'm going to be helping him playtest.
sharp kernel
That’s hype as hell for you man. You might pick up some things from each other
crimson moat
Juniors usually ends up where a lot of suggestions just go with the singular best fit deck.
So very much consider looking into the counter to what you two come up with as the best deck in that metagame
spice rivet
Ya, i have Garde Mewtwo V Union legit built, but I'd probs proxy other stuff.
spice rivet
mighty storm
placid junco
Fucking
Jump scared by a sponsored segment for my main gacha game
golden lance
What would be *your* Sync Pair, in the context of Masters?
Le Quag
warm sky
gengar or bust
harsh path
He got them shmoves
Tropical Happy Feet
As much as Ludicolo will not hesitate to dance that happy foot up your ass
reef cosmos
ducks don't have broad beaks
mighty storm
but it is a kappa so
bleak pine
Yeah, Ludicolo is based loosely on a Kappa, though, Lombre's the one with the strongest resemblance instead of Ludicolo
reef cosmos
it also barely looks like a plant or a thing that swims
bleak pine
Don't think they swim, so much as they float.
Or really, both Lotad and Ludicolo float. Lombre probs can swim just fine
...Admittedly what can and can't swim is weird
You got stuff like Electrode, who if going off it's measurements should be lightweight enough to float given it's surface area, but can't learn surf
Meanwhile Aggron, a literal dino covered in iron plates and heavy stone can swim just fine
twin shard
tacit sphinx
You got stuff like Electrode, who if going off it's measurements *should* be lig...
I think the contingent for Surf is being able to carry something
bleak pine
Yeah, that's what I'm guessing too
Aggron and Rhydon are broad enough and still somewhat able to swim that they can do so
bleak pine
Gyaoo!
mighty storm
bear?
sand forge
ducks don't have broad beaks
Neither do Penguins?
pseudo goblet
https://twitter.com/ActualAero/status/1662614420755816449
Necrozma feels the most right somehow
sand forge
Every time this gets posted I feel an intense rage towards the name "Splashakid"
vocal torrent
Ono Magnemite become the victim of Carcinization
pseudo goblet
First of, Crab 
I just like how the Legend protags reacts here
LETS GO!!!! ALOLA BUG TEAM ANIMATION VIDEO FROM BEST TOFU!
Glad I’m not the only one struggled hard with the Totem Togedemaru 💀
golden lance
warm sky
what's wrong babe, you haven't touched your snomurice
celest thunder
reef cosmos
what would a wobbuffet mega evo or regional forme look like?
pseudo goblet
Tip if y’all wanna play Master EX now, level up your characters as much as possible… the new alola event need me to use my alola chara to beat it, the ones I used are around lv 110, couldn’t beat it, forced to shove items into them up to like lv 135, then boom, beat it 
reef cosmos
ditto's originality lies in being able to copy others
how paradoxal
if lovely kiss is called akuma no kisu, then it would really make more sense as a dark type move (called aku, the same first kanji as akuma), despite the move itself being created before the type
i also didn't understand why growth is a normal move when it's grass types that learn it
kind vortex
growth should probably be a grass move yes, but tbf numel gets it by egg
bleak pine
Growth is in a weird spot where it's another relic of RBY moves
Stuff like Razor Wind got the same treatment in being normal-type
...Also what the balls, Numel can actually learn it via breeding
What
mighty storm
reef cosmos
except almost every fire type can learn solarbeam
vulpix family can learn energy ball
golden lance
no
reef cosmos
knew it
kind vortex
the pledge moves just exist to do some shenanigans in doubles, but can be safely ignored otherwise
also they tend to be given to the starters as tutor moves, and i believe the apes can learn them too
click tera+close combat and bull go brrrrrrrrrrr
bleak pine
Halfway tempted to do a hardmode/Nuzlocke challenge again
Been on a Fire Emblem kick again, hence the want
pseudo goblet
Halfway tempted to do a hardmode/Nuzlocke challenge again
Mono normal nuzlocke Legends run maybe
Main reason I guess being Ursaluna
pseudo goblet
Speaking of Legends
Having multiple mixed feeling about this…
- Yay they got two of the best characters from legends
- It’s fucking Master fair, meaning 1% chance to get ONE of then
- The decision to make if I want to continue getting SS Mina or save gems for these two
latent sleet
is adaman voiced by claude?
pseudo goblet
Oooh hello, probably won’t pull him tho
In case anyone ask, it’s shiny probably cause Kris caught her own Suicune already in Masters
random stream
pseudo goblet
random stream
Gliscor 
pseudo goblet
Guess I’m dead with gator
FINALLY! He’s literally my first 5 star pull outside of story, and sceptile did not have Mega for years!
short heath
https://twitter.com/touyarokii/status/1663002234643447808?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVW...
Nah I can box with torterra
Square up
fading stratus
https://twitter.com/touyarokii/status/1663002234643447808?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVW...
Cubone 
fading stratus
Do we have a list of all the home mons
tacit sphinx
this list kinda dogshit ngl
pseudo goblet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxJO4JZXsAAkFj2?format=jpg&name=large
Oooh, I could bring my shiny H-Avalugg over
tacit sphinx
hmm yes
let's make sure we get galar and kalos starters
other than that fuck all of you lmao
mighty storm
same with the PLA starters
pseudo goblet
Oh actually, my shiny Ursaluna too
mighty storm
my shiny bears also gonna meet up yeah
tacit sphinx
please game freak...
fading stratus
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxJO4JZXsAAkFj2?format=jpg&name=large
Thank
tacit sphinx
take:
every starter should have a signature move
like they should go back and add some
pseudo goblet
That later share with some other Pokémon?
tacit sphinx
sure
but like
before gen 5 they didn't really have signatures for starters
except hoenn ig
uh
leaf blade, blaze kick, muddy water
pseudo goblet
Got one for Charizard, Blaze Tail
random stream
muddy water 
pseudo goblet
I think Gen 4 starters are the harder to think for
fading stratus
Rilaboom lost grassy glide right?
fading stratus
Wait they did?
mighty storm
Got one for Charizard, Blaze Tail
dragon hurricane
pseudo goblet
technically a lizard 
mighty storm
for the animation it spins so fast that the fire from its tail and from its mouth surround it and it goes forward toward the foe to attack.
Basically looks like a stronger flame blitz
pseudo goblet
Mmm, no stat tho
fading stratus
Also if you count Pikachu as a starter it technically had volt tackle ig
pseudo goblet
How we judge the let’s go partner moves
fading stratus
They're technically later than gen 5
pseudo goblet
Oh right, forgot bout that
maiden flax
every generation the ou council tries to unban magearna
and every generation mag just ends up banned again
bleak pine
https://twitter.com/touyarokii/status/1663002234643447808?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVW...
I got best Ground type
(It’s Swampert)
maiden flax
i got garchomp
bleak pine
overrated
maiden flax
agreed
bleak pine
Also oh jeez I forgot that HOME update is tomorrow
Guess I better renew that subscription
Can’t wait to have my Carbink
I named it Carbby
spice rivet
fading stratus
"Air balloon bitch"
-Heatran, probably
void herald
heatran's out here lookin' like they're made out of beans
latent sleet
ayo look who fell asleep first
mighty storm
nah
they are like reverse regigigas, they need the ability for lore
only this time the lore ability isnt total trash
latent sleet
your motherfucking life ends in 1 turn
mighty storm
sand forge
they are like reverse regigigas, they need the ability for lore
Nah, Ice adaptability would be cool
warm sky
Save it for mega weavile 
latent sleet
gamefreak wouldn’t scrap a cool mechanic after two gens right
outer eagle
no.
they'll scrap it after 1. 
mighty storm
Nah, Ice adaptability would be cool
lore wise though, they all have abilities that represents their treasure
speaking of, I still need to get the rest of the treasures
sand forge
lore wise though, they all have abilities that represents their treasure
Ice adaptability would be cool
Ice is cool
sand forge
Emboar should've been Fire/Ground
wild imp
https://twitter.com/touyarokii/status/1663002234643447808?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVW...
groudon is coming for my ass
im so good they sent me to ubers
reef cosmos
its michizure but the subbers translated to drag along
destiny bond is the classic "if i die you die" move
Charm
あまえる Spoiled Pout
Captivate
ゆうわく Allure
mighty storm
ah
I thought it was destiny bond cuz pikachu fainted
also home down for maintenance 
!
jovial gobletBOT
[Michizure]
mighty storm
OH DAMN
BUG NEWS
Another ||form of Spidops||
and the ||ride forms of Lizard bikes as mons|| and Maus||divorced?||
who was it that liked bug types?
oh
@tacit sphinx It's your time
pseudo goblet
who was it that liked bug types?
mighty storm
only first spoiler text is bug related
and if this turns out to be something in the dlc, heck yeah! That mon really needed this
pseudo goblet
Never really used it outside of first half of the playthrough lol
golden lance
Where's my mid season lokix upgrade game freak
pseudo goblet
https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-revice-kamen-rider-demons-kamen-rider-hiromi-...
Hiromi my man
mighty storm
I should do a bug only run of scarlet
mighty storm
still need to finish my shining pearl nuzlocke
reef cosmos
phione was the almost-forme of manaphy
it only exists due to manaphy
pokedex entries for old pokemon seem silly
they all seem to paraphrase the same thing or simply copypasta the whole text
mighty storm
Ideas for that leaked mon
||Tandemaus Bad Romance Form: These tandemaus do not get along, they are better off without each other. Despite this they love each other very much.
Maushold Single Form: It carries a gallon of ice cream with it wherever it goes, this form of Maushold cries every moment wishing it knew what it had when it was a tandemaus. ||
pseudo goblet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxVwsjJWYAAlsxF?format=png&name=small
Mmm, yes, the Yellow Dragon of the center, emperor, and the ruler of the force of nature quartet/the four constellations
Kyurem/Orginal Dragon? Who’s that
Jokes aside, we need a Legends Kyurem game that explore these legendaries further, it’s too much of a coincidence that Kyurem share the same crystal color pattern as these weather gods
spice rivet
This deck is so fun
Like it goes dummy fast too, most games I nearly deck myself out lmao
sand forge
No idea what that is but do play Scarley
Scarlet, obviously
pseudo goblet
Showdown?
kind vortex
i would assume randbats
random stream
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1873837862-ca92h40620rorub090z16sjc10ql53mpw Tera fairy quick attack sylveon nyaruhodo
warm sky
mighty storm
Home out, transferred over some of my PLA stuff
and like mons to work on my pokedex
pseudo goblet
mighty storm
Judgemental eevee 😄 he's finally in SV
need to do a picnic with my bears
@warm sky bear
mighty storm
at 301 in dex, every little bit counts
crimson moat
Speaking of https://twitter.com/lewchube/status/1663429573701251072?s=46&t=q-1Am...
While that is kinda bad, the more notable thing is how BDSP continues to have compatibility issues
As in issues that popped up with 3.0 adding other games
warm sky
pseudo goblet
pseudo goblet
kind vortex
i'm in
kind vortex
so if i wanted to breed hisuian or galarian mons in scarlet, does the everstone still work to get their regional form?
i assume so but i'm checking first
kind vortex
yeah we're good, got my hisuian sneasels hatching just fine
wide lynx
Finally started playing Violet
Im cursed
The last 3 Pokemon games I've played my first shiny has been a psyduck
golden lance
Lmao
sand forge
Where's the water/psychic regional psyduck already
bleak pine
Alright, I've done most my business in HOME
kind vortex
same but i'll need to do transfers back later
i plan on doing breeds for most of my mons but evolving some of them will require going back to pla or sword
bleak pine
Having some level 100 stuff from Sword version will def help with some Tera Raid battles though
kind vortex
i'm fine on tera raid stuff, i think
i've built up several mons that can take on most of them
bleak pine
Ironically I'm more excited for having Carbink than any other stuff
Given how Terastalization works, it just feels fitting
kind vortex
breeds i've done so far are h sneasel (4iv) and h growlithe (4iv but also one with 0 spatk for potential tera blast applications)
not too concerned about the fifth ivs on most of these since caps exist
next one's gonna be oshawott bc h samurott is based
gonna have to work on cyndaquil later
ironically i think i prefer johtonian over hisuian typhlosion
it's hard to overstate how annoying losing flash fire is
bleak pine
Yeah, it sounds cool, but it just kinda make you wish you had Chandelure instead
kind vortex
and the loss in speed is pretty significant, esp on a mon that wants to use eruption
which sucks bc i otherwise like h typhlosion
i still find it funny that they gave us h typhlosion only to turn around and give us skeledirge not even a year later
like if they were gonna do that, just make part ground h typhlosion and give it stab earth power
it dies to water moves anyway so doubling up on the weakness isn't a big deal
part of me wonders how a fast camerupt would play
eruption secondary fire stab earth power filler with specs or something, keep its 100 speed
bleak pine
Knowing Camerupt learns Growth is just cursed knowledge
Seriously
I do wonder how Groundon is gonna fare with a lot of competitions given how a lot of the prehistoric Paradox mons work off sunlight
bleak pine
I mean, Koraidon exists, so Groundon might just be like, a 'Plan B' at best for now
...Oh jeez
Simple and Growth
kind vortex
woudl make for a decent early game combination, at least
but there are better
in games that allow for it, i try to run swoobat early
simple calm mind can be a neat sweeping tool on a mon with that speed
just had kind of a twisted idea, kinda unoriginal but w/e
fire/ground h typhlosion, give it stab earth power, give it drought
kind vortex
what if torkoal had a useful secondary typing and a real speed stat? let's find out!
reef cosmos
insert magcargo here
that's disturbing
its basicallly cooking and serving its own species to humans
bleak pine
I mean, who knows, maybe it belongs to Grapploct instead
spice rivet
Anyone with the Sword/Shield DLC pass have an extra Galrica Wreath and Bracelet they can toss my way? Need to get G Slowbro and G Slowking for my OT Living Dex.
bleak pine
Hmm! I can see if I can help soon-ish
What time would be good?
I probably have one lying around, or at the least some twigs to make into one
spice rivet
Probably tomorrow evening (EST) got a movie tn and Ive got other errands to run today
reef cosmos
In the Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld '97 demo, Octillery's design included a helmet and an armor that make it resemble a tank.
spice rivet
I appreciate it a lot though! Thanks again in advanced
reef cosmos
so basically, octillery and remoraid were always meant to resemble projectile-firing weapons
hence why remoraid gets so many beam moves in its arsenal
the evolution made no sense
bleak pine
They also resemble a few beam-firing robots featured in Pulseman, too
I think one fish-like one was the inspiration for Remoraid, given how it's body vaguely resembles a cylinder
But again, most evolutions never made sense to begin with
Or at least, they don't need to
kind vortex
alrighty, got me a 4iv shell armor oshawott ready to go for h samurott
assuming they didn't fuck anything up, it should retain the hidden ability when coming back to scarlet
but i'll worry about that later
on an unrelated note i hope dlc fixes this evolution in other games nonsense
alrighty
reef cosmos
kirinriki (girafarig) a palindrome in japanese, had dark and normal typings in the demo
kind vortex
between cyndaquil, rowlet, quaxly, fuecoco, scyther, teddiursa, petilil, h qwilfish, h zorua, h voltorb, two g slowpokes, grookey, and sobble, who's my next project?
reef cosmos
maybe it was thought an animal with split personality disorder was too horrifying and so the dark got changed to psychic instead
kind vortex
leaning teddiursa but i have to make sure i actually caught one lol
ah crap i didn't
well that'll take like 5 minutes at most
reef cosmos
a lot of the demo pokemon feels mind-blowing ngl
blackie (umbreon) was originally poison-type in the demo
bomushikā was a water and fire type
kind vortex
teddiursa has been acquired
reef cosmos
devil (houndour) and evo were pure fire type
unknown (unown) was normal type
hidden power is by game classification, a normal move
hoohoo (hoothoot) and evo were pure flying type
this demo seems like such a giant april fools joke
kind vortex
this the gen 2 demo?
golden lance
I wonder if you can theoretically complete the dex in home without using any of the game nor buying the subscripcion
kind vortex
next project is g slowpoke
i need 2 of them
i already bred a 0 atk 0 spe slowbro for tera raids so passing those down shouldn't be that hard
bleak pine
Guess I better put in some more orders for Galarica Twigs if so!
kind vortex
?
bleak pine
Oh, you needed Galarian Slowpoke still yeah?
I'm gonna see if I can get Yoz the materials needed to evolve theirs, so I felt I might as well see if I can grab you one if you still need it
bleak pine
Ah, alright.
golden lance
What type are people tera'ing eleki again? Water?
kind vortex
if eleki were to survive beyond day 1 or whatever before it's inevitably quickbanned i could see some people running grass to deal with certain grounds ice isn't as good against
but i don't think it's surviving long
i'm seeing eleki on a ton of people's shit lists, for good reason
i coudl easily see it and mag being the first two to go
golden lance
I find it funny how gen 8 game freak basically went "We are designing this pokemon with amazing speed and impressive special attack, but now that hidden power is gone we can give it the weakness of having no coverage so that it can't hit ground types, forcing you to use it as a utility mon with moves like volt switch, electro web, and screens instead of a wall breaker"
And then gen 9 game freak went "lmao"
kind vortex
wouldn't say its special atk is impressive, but transistor is a great ability
so that helps patch it up
kind vortex
yeah shit's busted
kind vortex
working on h basculin now, actually got my male set up pretty quickly
gonna work on a female later
The game no longer tracks abilities between the games. If you move a Pokémon to a different game and give it an Ability Capsule or Ability Patch, then that data only remains for that game so if you move a Charmander with Blaze from Sword & Shield to Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl and use an Ability Patch to give it Solar Power, when you move it back to Sword & Shield or on to Scarlet & Violet, it will have the Ability Blaze but if you then move it back to Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl, it will have Solar Power in that game
bruh
crimson moat
As in issues that popped up with 3.0 adding other games
Reading back on this, somehow there’s even more than when I commented
wild imp
Man I swear
Every team is zama-c, eleki, mage, and pao
With 2 filler
Usually one of either lando or tusk
kind vortex
at least 3 of those first 4 are mistakes and i expect to be hit in short order, with pao also eventually getting hit after them
but i can imagine it feels pretty chaotic to play right now
wild imp
Nah it’s free af
Zama-h beats 3 of them
But yeah I agree
Atleast mage, pao and eleki need to go
And afterwards zama-c
What’s winning most tours rn are mostly balanced teams without any of the 4
Or at most 1 or 2
bleak pine
I mean, a lot of electric types traditionally have this problem
Jolteon had this issue way longer than Regieleki did
P sure as far as special attacks go, it only gets normal, electric moves, and Shadow Ball
kind vortex
jolteon existed in a time where hidden power existed
bleak pine
Oh, right
Eh, I don't think I'll miss Hidden Power all too much.
Just was too much a pain to account for everything when it came to tweaking values for a specific power and type
reef cosmos
manetric can learn flamethrower by tm in gen 4 for some reason
why couldn't it do it in gen 3?
bleak pine
Man
After going without HOME for so long, it just feels weird having Groudon in battle
Debating if I ought to change Groudon's Tera Type to Fire, just to work off of some attacks like Fire Punch or something, but eh
mighty storm
groudon on an ancient paradox team
spice rivet
Aka VGC as soon as Groudon becomes legal again
wild imp
Wouldn’t they use koraidon instead
kind vortex
can use both in 2 restricted format
even in 1 restricted, groudon has different stab and is slower for trick room
so it'd depend on what you're playing
kind vortex
if pokemon existed irl they'd be either hunted to extinction or weaponized by every military in the world, despite the existence of conventions to prevent that
i guarantee you that you, me, and every other regular-ass person in here would never get to train one
not legally, anyway
pseudo goblet
reef cosmos
idk why delibird has a signature move
a move that, instead of a chance of missing, may actually deal negative damage instead (healing them)
tacit sphinx
You ever think Umbreon was at some point intended to be a Poison type
reef cosmos
the demo says yes
celest thunder
then they realized 'crap we need something to shit on psychics', made dark type, made umbreon dark
maiden flax
We need a poison eevee
spice rivet
Iron Leaves and Walking Wake still dont have dex entries smh
reef cosmos
gifuto (pre-release delibird) was a water/ice type basically another lapras
maiden flax
Also fun fact: only 2 non-mythical/legendary poison type pokemon learn recover
Toxapex and clodsire
2 learn slack off
G glowking and G slowbro (who would be good if they didnt kill his defense for more offense)
And all the mons who learn roost are hella frail
reef cosmos
i still dk why we don't have a grass/fire type
reef cosmos
And all the mons who learn roost are hella frail
skarmory lugia gliscor
spice rivet
Scovillain
celest thunder
yeah that one
i think the one i mentioned is a different pokemon
that is not grass/fire
reef cosmos
i always knew it was going to be a pepper
maiden flax
skarmory lugia gliscor
Poison types
maiden flax
Its kinda sad how gamefreak doesnt like giving poison types reliable recovery 😔
Imagine if alolan muk had recover
maiden flax
it learns bullet seed by level up
Cause its a bullet move
And octillery iirc learns all the bullet moves via level up
maiden flax
From its tank parts :v
reef cosmos
it learns a lot of beam moves certainly
signal beam, aurora beam, ice beam
still not as good as starmie though
maiden flax
(I mean questioning where the seeds come from is like questioning where half the things pokemon spit out come from considering they can seemingly spawn certain things from thin air)
kind vortex
G slowbro (who would be good if they didnt kill his defense for more offense)
it'd probably be fine if king didn't exist, but it does, so
maiden flax
King has always been specially defensive though
While bro had always been physically defensive
kind vortex
bro still has greater phys than special bulk
maiden flax
But cause gbro lost his physical defense
reef cosmos
only slowking could calm mind?
maiden flax
It lost the thing it had over king
reef cosmos
although gen 1 slowbro was plenty op with amnesia
kind vortex
g bro also still has more phys def than g king
the gap isn't as wide bc they decided to put more into its atk for whatever reason, but that's still true
maiden flax
Yeah that change was the big resson why gbro didnt really see much play
I wish they would give more bulky poison and fire types reliable recovery
kind vortex
i still think it'd be fine in a world without g king, but we don't live in that world
maiden flax
2 of the best defensive types in the game but absolute refusal to give them recovery
(Also steel)
reef cosmos
all pokemon that learn poison heal are non-poisons because poisons are immune to their own status
maiden flax
Not sure what that has to do with what i said
maiden flax
Ah
sand forge
then where does the seed come from?
This is a game in which rocks can move, yeah?
also I'd debate Octillery being an invertebrate
warm sky
You ever think Umbreon was at some point intended to be a Poison type
raz we literally found in the beta it was
reef cosmos
did anyone play pokemon pinball ruby sapphire?
i haven't played it very far
its always at the bottom of my complete list
sand forge
Looking through the learnset for Bullet Seed, a lot of them don't make sense
bleak pine
Maaaan Kleavor is jacked
sand forge
Exeggutor, Jumpluff, Paras, Breloom, Amoonguss
bleak pine
Still very much a fan of Scizor, but Mr. Axe Hands is jacked
Also yeah, how does Paras do it?
Last I checked, mushrooms don’t have seeds, but spores
reef cosmos
neither does breloom
bleak pine
It’s really just grass-type BS
reef cosmos
but you know they can't learn leaf blade so
bleak pine
Same as always when it comes to weird moves
bleak pine
Apparently barrage was kinda pointless, which is why it got phased out in Sword/Shield
bleak pine
Not like it’ll be missed, unlike some stuff like Sky Uppercut or Pursuit
reef cosmos
did they phase out present?
bleak pine
Nah
reef cosmos
or miracle eye/foresight/odor sleuth
bleak pine
Delibird still learns it
Most of it was just cleanup on moves literally nobody uses or just seem pointless
sand forge
Or coverage
reef cosmos
like uhh heart swap?
bleak pine
Some of em made sense, while some just seem unnecessary
Mostly it was the former, but there were baffling choices there
tacit sphinx
raz we literally found in the beta it was
sorry i didn’t play a beta
reef cosmos
what about constrict?
reef cosmos
and pay day is too good to phase out
tacit sphinx
Nobody cares
bleak pine
Yeah, Constrict is arse
bleak pine
10 base power and a 10% chance to actually lower the target’s speed!
bleak pine
Or you could just have something learn Icy wind/Low Sweep and cut through this stuff instead
reef cosmos
they added flavor even if they were beyond useless
bleak pine
If Constrict did something unusual like say
tacit sphinx
There are definitely moves I’m disappointed to lose
bleak pine
Deal massively increased damage if the target is hit with Wrap or Bind, then it could be considered
tacit sphinx
Vespiquen’s Orders
reef cosmos
so cut secret power, attract, and camouflage
bleak pine
Some of em were Simple damage moves too, and funnily enough I miss them the most
Like, Karate Chop for instance
reef cosmos
and conversion, conversion2, and sharpen
bleak pine
The move is the simplest fighting type move that most fighting types always learn first
tacit sphinx
I do hate like
bleak pine
Just feels weird how it was removed, though it seems that other stuff like Arm Thrust or Low Kick do just fine
tacit sphinx
Some moves got cut and basically deconfirmed entire Pokemon
Like, Grapploct is not returning
bleak pine
…Wow, they seriously made Aeroblast unusable?
reef cosmos
wasn't razor wind always useless?
bleak pine
Then again, having it be usable would give the suggestion that Lugia would be a thing in DLC
Yeah, nobody wanted Razor Wind, period
Two turns to use the attack, and all it does is have 70 base power and an increased chance to nail a critical hit
Or you could, Y’know, use Slash twice
reef cosmos
i like how almost all dark moves has some unusual effect
besides nasty plot and dark pulse, those were standard
sand forge
Like biting someone really hard
tacit sphinx
Also we’re missing some kinda interesting moves
sand forge
Or biting someone, but not quite so hard
tacit sphinx
This is a dumb one but
bleak pine
It’s the whole schtick of fighting dirty
tacit sphinx
I would have loved to see Synchronoise with Tera
bleak pine
Yessssss
Synchro noise is just stupid
But that would at least made it a little more than a silly novelty
reef cosmos
we talking about synchros?
bleak pine
Synchronoise is a psychic type move that deals massive damage if the target shares the user’s type
reef cosmos
umm
bleak pine
As you can imagine, most things learning it were psychic types… so they resisted it
reef cosmos
so it would hurt dragons/ghosts a lot if one were to learn it?
bleak pine
And yeah, I loved those stupid stat boost moves
But I guess Ancientpower still exists
bleak pine
It’s a psychic type attack, so it would just deal standard damage assuming nothing else is being factored
sand forge
Umbreon learns it
reef cosmos
i am a genfourer
sand forge
Oh maybe I was wrong
bleak pine
You wanna know really dumb?
Manaphy had an exclusive move in Legends
But, it ended up being unusable in Scarlet/Violet
…Not that it matters, since it cannot be brought over
reef cosmos
iron burst is a move that depends on your opponent's damage
bleak pine
But it’s pretty bleh how one can’t play around with it
sand forge
Ah, Eevee can learn Synchronoise
So Umbreon can learn a psychic move that can only hit Dark types
reef cosmos
vital throw be pretty useless since it goes last
covet was normal type thief
fake out was what made people seethe
reef cosmos
is psych up swagger still a viable strat?
latent sleet
afraid not
pseudo goblet
maiden flax
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9monotype-1874834486 press the button
bleak pine
I thought that said Raigeki for a second
maiden flax
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/regieleki-is-banned-from-sv-ou.3722261/
Deserved
Next up on the list
Magearna
crimson moat
BoltBeam resp?
maiden flax
tera blast ice
crimson moat
Yeah Mae is definitely next
crimson moat
tera blast ice
Yes. I was saying it like “ash resp?”
maiden flax
honestly dont know what resp is
crimson moat
Response?
maiden flax
ohhh
random stream
mae
warm sky
maiden flax
kleavor is a very fun mon lol
maiden flax
you can also do a more standard set which are also fun
warm sky
yeah, you're probably better off with that
Buuuut I'm assuming the meme build also does metronome and
252+ Atk Metronome Sharpness Tera Bug Kleavor Fury Cutter vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Great Tusk: 274-323 (63.1 - 74.4%) -- not a KO
Still fairly respectable
kind vortex
finally bred some decent cyndaquils; i'm keeping 3 of them
two with flash fire, and one with blaze
johto typhlosion will keep flash fire, and i think i'm gonna have two h typhlosion, one with each ability
not completely sure about frisk so i'm just hedging there
aight i think i'll do rowlet next
that would finish the three pla starters
after that...maybe scyther?
woudl be interesting to try out kleavor
bleak pine
Is Volcanion very exclusive?
I don
I don't think there was much events featuring it over Mystery Gift in recent times
kind vortex
finally got to getting all these goobers on cart
also kleavor but only 6 party slots
still waiting a bit on h typhlosion
warm sky
is home paid services?
yes because small indie company please understand
16 bucks a year
sure isn't a lot but, it should be free in the first place
latent sleet
well fuck you too gamefreak
warm sky
well fuck you too gamefreak
of note there is a free version but
- can't move mons from bank to home
- can only deposit 30 mons (instead of 6000)
- only 3 mons in the wonder box (instead of 10)
- can't host room trades
- no iv judge
latent sleet
kekw
warm sky
So you can still use home for free to move 30 gen 8 mons to gen 9 at a time
latent sleet
i love paid services in gaming
kind vortex
im not paying it
if you're just wanting to move mons across gens 8/9 you don't need to pay for it, so you don't have to worry about that
the box limitation is a bit of a pain if you wanted to move a lot over at once, but it's still useable
bleak pine
I actually had a use for HOME considering the ridiculous number of mons I kept catching in Sword version
Seriously, I must have done so much Max raid battles that the game straight up told me that I couldn't do any more capturing
spice rivet
@bleak pine btw sorry not to ping you earlier but whenwver you're ready lmk. If its late for you today I can wait till tomorrow too, no rush!
bleak pine
Nah, I got time! Lemme boot up and see if I got those twigs or whatever else to make of them
spice rivet
https://tenor.com/view/heavenly-father-plzhelp-gif-26045206
This guy did the designs for Detective Pikachu too
bleak pine
All that’s needed is two yeah?
spice rivet
Ye, let me also double check
spice rivet
Lol, thats cute
bleak pine
I miss this doofus of a bird
spice rivet
Then ill swap the items and we can evo my slowpokes
bleak pine
Righto, lemme see if I can find the thing I throw to the other mon
I just lost the place of where it was
spice rivet
Going all in on the themeing pog
spice rivet
Thank you so much again!
bleak pine
Righto~
spice rivet
Anything you want/need? I recently caught a pair of shiny Dunsparce in Scarlet
bleak pine
Nah, I’m good at current moment. Helping you out is reward enough
kind vortex
it'll be funny to see ursaluna destroy teams in vgc bc trick room is Fair and Balanced
also i'm seeing some people advocate banning light clay in ou
seems to be a minority so far but it's been acknowledged
fading stratus
Regulation D will be chaotic
Wait leaves and wake are banned
I wanted to try a rain team
reef cosmos
https://twitter.com/arvalis
nice find thx
warm sky
pseudo goblet
warm sky
tacit sphinx
is “convergent evolution” just what we’re calling “an excuse for ocs” now
pseudo goblet
https://twitter.com/pokemachei/status/1662565646410956801?t=aezDX91wqujzG4VTFxlz...
Yeah I saw too
latent sleet
billy the hatcher
spice rivet
Well, for my living Dex looks like I'm going to have to finally play Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. Honestly it's going to be so weird going back to the 3DS games considering how fast SV is in comparison (at least for wild encounters)
silver vigil
warm sky
I mean I do hope the rumors that the SV dlc allows you some way of more control over the IVs of your mons in ways bottlecaps can't is true
spice rivet
Not this format but for July format aka Worlds
crimson moat
See most of the time I wouldn’t find transfer exclusives that obnoxious because you’d be looking back at 1 game
How many games is it for this?
vagrant steppe
3?
bleak pine
Genesect dropped them keys
spice rivet
Fumbled the keychain fr fr
kind vortex
they caved and added light clay to the radar lmao
spice rivet
Fumbled the keychain fr fr
bleak pine
What the balls, Enamorus really is that slow?
I know it's Therian forme is a turtle but wow
kind vortex
i think i've seen most people using its incarnate form
spice rivet
Ya Enamorus is def a new trick room threat
golden lance
they caved and added light clay to the radar lmao
Screens setters in shambles
Not that we had any good ones this gen, but
random stream
they caved and added light clay to the radar lmao
Grimm and pult are the best ones yeah
some ppl found success with dual screens sandy shocks of all things too
bleak pine
Bored again
Might do a Nuzlocke of Sword version, yet again
But with some more restrictions. Hmm.
kind vortex
there is none, and fire red is an easy enough game that it doesn't matter anyway
just pick who you like and have fun
slate marlin
Ok.
mighty storm
bleak pine
it sitt
pseudo goblet
It fitt
sleek sky
fading stratus
But with some more restrictions. Hmm.
Play sword hardcore with new mons only
Or "route 1 mons" only
mighty storm
get a lokix
sleek sky
where are they
kind vortex
lokix is just the evolution of nymble, which is pretty easy to find early game
look for little grasshopper-looking bugs
pseudo goblet
Or you know, catch the fully evolve ones
Might be a good idea to have something to deal with fighting types, since you playing Scarlet AND the fighting type specialist is pretty hard
bleak pine
Man
Playing these games for the first time is just a special moment
I can't feel the same way again when I do play the game though, so it just is something to treasure
reef cosmos
machamp used lovely kiss!
pseudo goblet
It’s super effective
maiden flax
random stream
Or is there none?
All are good enough so no worries, pick your favorite and they'll do well
just need to supplement it w team members that have good synergy and you're good to go
slate marlin
OK.
outer eagle
Rainsweeper Lando?
fading stratus
The what
bleak pine
You can slap it on Landorus while it's in it's Incarnate forme
It's Sp. Atk isn't too bad, only 10 points off from it's Attack stat
mighty storm
yeah
bleak pine
Only issue is you likely aren't gonna get off the burn chance given I'd wager you want Sheer Force and not Sand Force
fading stratus
That 80 accuracy tho
maiden flax
That 80 accuracy tho <:Hahaa:642861303387521034>
Never misses in rain
Is a spread move like eq
And unlike eq is effected by sheer force
maiden flax
Only issue is you likely aren't gonna get off the burn chance given I'd wager yo...
Thats less of an issue and more of a benefit as it gives you a spread move which is effected by sheer force lol
bleak pine
It's-yeah, not an issue at all. Just, a very slight downside
Which likely isn't gonna matter all too much
sand forge
They should give Sand Force to a Pokémon that will never become a ground/steel/rock type
crimson moat
GDQ about to start a pokemon colo speedrun race
This proves there are, somehow, more than masochist still willing to play Pokemon Colosseum
Speedrun incentive goal met to detour to the Mirakle B fight in the middle of the run
oh god
pseudo goblet
Ez
Ah man, it might just Umbreon haven’t been balanced yet, but boi I’m glad it lived up to my expectations
Also I think these might be bots, not sure
pseudo goblet
Think Foul Play might get nerf first, a move that can dash twice on a Defender seems a little too good
fading stratus
Is a spread move like eq
And unlike eq is effected by sheer force
That spread move aspect shouldn't matter anyway unless doubles
And in doubles I don't think you'll use I over T
reef cosmos
why did mudkip become a meme?
void herald
he's a good boy
pseudo goblet
reef cosmos
japanese word for eye type/shape/appearance is memoto (目元)
gen 3 was when the serious change and addition of memoto came into play, and the amount of memoto present in the franchise now is way more than gen 1 or 2
lapras and nidoqueen had the same eyes, and a lot of gen 1 mons had vacant eyes (slowpoke, jynx, tangela) or triangular eyes
all of the hoenn legendary trios had the same memoto
tacit sphinx
lapras and nidoqueen had the same eyes, and a lot of gen 1 mons had vacant eyes ...
You saying Lapras and Nidoqueen
have eyes for each other?
maiden flax
That spread move aspect shouldn't matter anyway unless doubles
And in doubles I...
the idea was to use it in rain
which you wouldnt use lando T
however lando I might be funny now
in rain
with sandsear
spice rivet
Though now that I think of it Sandsear has sorta anti synergy with Sand Force and to a lesser extent Sheer Force. Like in Rain you'd lose the SF boost but in Sand you risk the accuracy and Sheer Force loses the burn chance which is one of the most significant things about it and you'd prob just do EQ/Earth Power for the better accuracy unless you really go for the Rain angle I suppose.
maiden flax
Though now that I think of it Sandsear has sorta anti synergy with Sand Force an...
Who cares about the burn chance if it oneshots things in a spread
But yes the idea is sheer force sandsear in rain
spice rivet
Hence why I said lesser extent, but ya things going to be a wrecking ball.
pseudo goblet
https://twitter.com/rindoriko/status/1540293893056794624?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw
https://twitter.com/rindoriko/status/1664594237101608960?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw
Probably my favorite pseudo dragon
Goodra and Metagross > Dragonite and Garchomp > Dragapult and Baxcalibur > Salamance > Hydreigon > Kommo-o > Tyranitar
Question for competitive pros here, how good is Kommo-o?
Somehow I’m not into it even tho it’s has one of my favorite offensive type
random stream
Decent
outer eagle
Hydreigon > Garchomp = Metagross > Salamence > T-Tar = Kommo-o > Dnite > Goodra for me. Not ranking Pult and Bax cuz i haven't played with them.
fading stratus
For me it's probably
Dragonite > Metagross > Salamence > Hydreigon > New Goodra > Garchomp > Tyranitar > Old Goodra > Dragapult > Baxcalibur > Kommo-O
outer eagle
oh yeah i forgot Chomp
let me fix that real quick
random stream
Give Nibble
fading stratus
What about Gobble
pseudo goblet
bleak pine
I really am not a fan of these kinds of mons, but...
Salamence > Metagross > Tyranitar > Goodra > Hydreigon > Dragonite > Kommo-o > Baxcalibur > Dragapult >>> Garchomp
spice rivet
I still wish they just gave Kommo-o Shell Smash rather than that Signature move/Z Move in USUM.
But I also get thats its kind of a it'd be too good with it.
Shoutout pre patch SM Battle Tree
I think there was/is also an illegal move on a Walrein too
swift jasper
What about Gobble
gobble deez nuts
spice rivet
https://twitter.com/rindoriko/status/1540293893056794624?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWL...
The gift of prophecy lmao
pseudo goblet
Call me arrogant(do it) but I swear, the times I say something and something relevant to it shows up later, are kinda common
Goodra my adorable little hug dragon
pseudo goblet
Are these from Sitting cuties/Pokémon Fit?
hexed valley
No I think they're just the normal plushies from the pokemon center
I think...
Magnet pull goes crazy
pseudo goblet
I’m jealous fr rn 
kind vortex
so apparently a bunch of players in korea submitted teams with 6 mons that only know metronome, in protest
heard of at least one person in america doing the same in solidarity
my understanding is that mons were genned, which ended up getting them dq'd
and the protest itself is apparently about operations in korea/asia in general?
lot of spotty information so it's hard for me to know exactly what's happening
fading stratus
and the protest itself is apparently about operations in korea/asia in general?
Apparently Korea or Asia VGC in general is a mess
So they were protesting about it or something
bleak pine
holy shit is this their variation of playing Firewall Dragon FTK
fading stratus
It's their variation of playing war rock mirror if that exists
kind vortex
ye idk how much the genning was an actual factor, i'm not seeing it cited much aside from where i initially heard about it, but it's looking like the main thing was the aspect of collusion
whether it'll actually change anything in asian vgc...we'll see
jagged linden
I'm not too familiar with pokemon lingo, what does "genned" mean here?