king arthur most likely
#Pokemon
latent sleet
warm sky
Jewish
maiden flax
its specifcially arthurian so yes
warm sky
Golems and all
maiden flax
yeah the golems are very specifically jewish
cunning osprey
what is the bird Articuno is based on?
maiden flax
im not sure
cunning osprey
I know Moltres is a phoenix and Zapdos is a thunderbird
maiden flax
zapdos is a thunderbird, moltres a phoenix
no clue what articuno is
sand forge
Simorgh
latent sleet
roc?
warm sky
Wow almost like the name means something
maiden flax
the sword legendaries are the 3 musketeers
and d'artagnan
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Keldeo
maiden flax
keldeo
maiden flax
keldeo is d'artagnan
sand forge
Sword Legends are the worst legendaries imo
sleek eagle
Except keldeo
warm sky
The swsh legendaries are moreso based on the concept of legends than specific legends
crimson moat
Sword Legends are the worst legendaries imo
Nah
Katamaris pre-BW2
cunning osprey
I think the wolves are Arthur's weapons
warm sky
Sea angels innit
cunning osprey
the sword Excalibur
sleek eagle
Well eternatus is strictly just the threat from outer space
cunning osprey
and the... Burly Shield... whose name is hard to remember
maiden flax
and victini and celebi and shaymin
sleek eagle
Which is more just modern rather than strictly western or Asian
warm sky
Eternatus is probably another alchemy thing tbh
cunning osprey
sometimes it is a boat and not a shield
latent sleet
suprised theres not many olympian gods
sleek eagle
Koraidon and miraidon aren't based on anything
maiden flax
like hoopa is the only one of the tiny mythicals who i can pin point
sand forge
Zacian is based off of Dark Souls, which is Japanese
sand forge
Dark Souls has a dog wielding a sword
maiden flax
Zacian is based off of Dark Souls, which is Japanese
but dark souls is based off medieval europe which makes it western š
sleek eagle
Just saying
cunning osprey
I mean there is a mayan iguana god or something
sand forge
Does a dog wield a sword in Arthurian legend
maiden flax
zarude is just monke
i would argue its tarzan inspired
sand forge
Zarude not having Sand Stream is a terrible crime
crimson moat
If we have a Tarzan pokemon
Where's the Quasimodo pokemon
warm sky
Well maybe if you wanna stretch it Miraidon is an asian dragon
pseudo goblet
warm sky
Oh cool the first 2 matches I did with it and I lost because my own team can't handle walking wake
pseudo goblet
Looks you and I have a bond, lost an unite match terribly first time playing against a Zacianā¦
Also ya know, one of my team rage quit afkā¦
obsidian juniper
normal cave
Walking wake can't plod through the clod
latent sleet
acquiring the sire
sand forge
Walking Wake is an awful name
normal cave
Awful name, awful design, awful concept
sand forge
I still think Sandy Shocks holds the title for worst triple threat
normal cave
Agree
Walking wake's design is salvageable
All you have to do is shrink down the mane
Leave some for the suicune theme, but downsize it significantly
Sandy shocks is beyond salvation
Why is it a mechanical pokemon in the past
Aren't magnemite a result of human technology?
placid junco
I donāt think so
normal cave
Like electrode, which is different in the past
placid junco
I think Sandy shocks is so bad it loops back around to me kinda loving it
And I normally hate stuff attached to Gen 1
Electric/ground is also just such a cool type
normal cave
Huh, magnemite exists in hisui
normal cave
Ah
lusty tiger
Wake is a decent design but the name is just weird
normal cave
Because its pokedex entries state it feeds off electricity
Specifically from power lines, power plants, and batteries
So it'd die in a no-electricity world, unless it hunts electric types
bleak pine
If you're eagle-eyed enough you can find a Magnezone flying above Coronet Highlands.
...For some reason
bleak pine
Yep
normal cave
That would explain shock's ground typing, but at the same time, makes less sense since it'd struggle to feed
bleak pine
Pretty neat how that is
sand forge
Aren't magnemite a result of human technology?
I think Magnemite are from space
sand forge
However "Did you know Magneton gets floppy magnets as it grows old" is not something I wanted to know
However I appreciate the lodestone design I would want from a past Magneton wouldn't work
normal cave
R o c k
sand forge
But I feel like the design we got is the worst the concept could produce
Impressively bad even
normal cave
magneton gets floppy magnets
There are pills for that magneton, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
Know what past mon doesn't suck?
Roaring moon and slither wing
sand forge
Slither Wing?
My only issue with Roaring Moon is how stubby he looks
Cute lil stubby dragon
normal cave
Roaring moon looks really cool, even if it's overly complex megamence
Slither wing is a precious perfect baby
sand forge
Jigglypuff and Misdreavous just have random shit attached to them
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Yeah
They're standard mons with extra stuff
Jiggles getting fangs is nice, but why
The more I look at slither wing the more I like it
Still prefer base volc, but slither and iron moth are awesome
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placid junco
Tera ||flying Minior shell smash acrobatics|| gonna be a menace in whatever tier it ends up in
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RU
normal cave
It's a p strong gimmick
placid junco
Ye
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Shell smash is scary
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Yeah you probs want sash
Minior hits like a tortelini at high health
It's reverse defeatist
flat fractal
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then what's their point
if they're just alternate universe/timeline mons, or just ancient pokemon that happened to look like a certain pokemon but are not related
then why do they have to look so similar to existing mons
maiden flax
People think they might be fake
Created from terapagos
vagrant steppe
Yeah, that's such a waste if they're "wish related"
Like why not have them be interesting wishes
Also we already have a wish granting legendary
maiden flax
i think it's less wishes and more imagination
sand forge
Most unimaginative imagination:
warm sky
Started violet, need fuecoco nickname
sand forge
Hot Pants
warm sky
Rejected because it's a male fuecoco
vagrant steppe
Pot Hants
crimson moat
Hot Pants
Why do I now have this really morbid picture in my head
Actually gross spoiler at your warning ||Fire type pokemon shooting flesh instead of fire.||
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Actually gross spoiler at your warning ||Fire type pokemon shooting flesh instea...
live slugma reaction
there already are fire types made of fire or fierelike substances
which means they essentially do what you described, from their perspective
also ||scale shot and featherdance are technically this||
crimson moat
there already are fire types made of fire or fierelike substances
See I get what you are saying, and that is true given how I worded it as just ||flesh||
But now, you also got me thinking about ||Slugma made of human flesh||
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ah
crimson moat
yeah...
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that'd work with ||a meat pokemon I suppose||
||or slowpoke using its tail as a missile||
crimson moat
||or slowpoke using its tail as a missile||
||Flesh Mega Sceptile||
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||I guess crawmorant works because it shoots a live fish||
||but that's not what you mean I guess||
harsh path
||Is the room made of flesh, or is the Slugma made of room, it screams for ti doesnāt know||
crimson moat
||Is the room made of flesh, or is the Slugma made of room, it screams for ti do...
||or does it scream, for its mouth is room too||
lol there's already a pokemon edition of that meme too
crimson moat
Regidrago doesn't have to worry one bit about something even having... erhm
(reads script) w-what the hell is.... alright
Crystalized Dragon Energy
harsh path
Oh right Regidrago and Regieleki
Was thinking of Regirock and Registeel at that moment
crimson moat
I know this is pokemon, but even in pokemon this one doesn't fully add up well
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regidrago not having to worry about being in a room made of dragon
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fish
lucid moth
chi-yu is ridiculous
long stone
placid junco
I really wish the type symbols on the turtle were placed relative to where their objectives were on the map
golden lance
Why do i have a feeling they'll pull a link's awakening?
normal cave
big, huge, heavy, enormous turtle
great a'tuin pokemon
@sand forge @snow oasis
I'd ping licia but idt she's in this channel
can't remember who else here likes discworld
that thing is too big to be called a pokemon. too thick, too heavy, too coarse, too rough, too irritating, and it gets everywhere.
mighty storm
we need conquest 2
normal cave
except for spectra fuck spectra
mighty storm
they would have to add a new kingdom tho
normal cave
faera?
mighty storm
yeah
mighty storm
true
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dragonar not getting cheesed hard enough with glaceon
mighty storm
we both know who the best 2 warlords are
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do we?
normal cave
I was thinking ranmaru and nobunaga
mighty storm
One got the bat, the other got the moth 
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I'm a sucker for guys with kitty ears tho
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yeah some of them are a pain
maiden flax
Probably applies for so many too
i think the reigs dont have to ask this question cause the answer to them is 100% made of room cause thats what a golem is
normal cave
so, if walking wake is everywhere, and it counters rain
is it time to run clodsire on rain?
placid junco
Clodsire
mighty storm
~~i think the reigs dont have to ask this question cause the answer to them is 1...
regidrago
normal cave
yeah, tera fairy water absorb clod walls walking wake
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Walking Wake in Rain: 150-177 (44.2 - 52.2%) -- 17.2% chance to 2HKO
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oh
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this is WHY I want clodsire on the floatzel team, because walking wake just beats rain
it generally takes me losing 2 mons to deal with wake, and then the rest of their team just beats me
if wezl can't reliably 2-shot it then I need to wear it down, but it outspeeds most of the team and just slams them
not to mention getting rain up vs that is risky because I might lose peliper
golden lance
man
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but then we gamble 50/50 vs opposing wakes
golden lance
it's funny how wake is a built in sun counter for rain teams
mighty storm
facts
normal cave
the sun/rain matchup was hard as is
because the paradox mons are all bangers
well, mostly bangers
golden lance
brute bonnet poggggggggggg
normal cave
you're facing them with floatzel, which is p mid without rain
placid junco
Brute bonnet is hilarious
They took one of the most famous support PokƩmon of all time
And turned it into a bulky sweeper
normal cave
meanwhile, they are strong under rain
so you need to keep rain up as much as possible
and torkoal is guaranteed to set sun up vs peli because it is slower
golden lance
sucks how the best rain abusers of all time were retconned out of existance
normal cave
which ones
golden lance
ash gren and m swampert
normal cave
we don't have kingdra yet
golden lance
yea, was thinking in a vaccumm
normal cave
yeah, kingdra, basculegion, and floatzel/barra
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maaaaybe omastar
placid junco
No jellicent
placid junco
Oh yeah itās just
A direct counter to fire P-tauros huh
placid junco
Ah
placid junco
Tbf itās only a problem until half health
placid junco
First impression go brrrrr
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252+ Atk Golisopod First Impression vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Walking Wake: 169-201 (49.8 - 59.2%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
mighty storm
copper, over world
mighty storm
š±
placid junco
One day Golisopod will get its dues
golden lance
how much does +6 play rough do vs wake?
normal cave
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Walking Wake: 390-458 (115 - 135.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
golden lance
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
placid junco
Now you just need to actually land the hit
golden lance
isnt play rough like what
normal cave
252 SpA Walking Wake Hurricane vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 141-166 (41.2 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
golden lance
90% accurate?
normal cave
yep
placid junco
I moreso mean surviving to get the hit but fair
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hurricane
placid junco
+6 confusion is a bastard
normal cave
and hoping for confusion hax
golden lance
why does it learn hurricane wtf yea i'll take the odds
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otherwise, wake's attacks are flamethrower/dragon pulse, hydro steam, and draco meteor
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Water Walking Wake: 195-229 (57.5 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
but if they terra, we got 'em with wezl
golden lance
mighty storm
mighty storm
yeeted ball off cliff
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ngl I like the actual iron leaves shiny more
golden lance
but i liked the chrome shinies tho
normal cave
in the future everything is chrome
normal cave
wallace just doesn't feel like a champion, honestly
native carbon
Gym leader to me
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esp since you can find steven in meteor falls for a real challenge
native carbon
He's a chad
pseudo goblet
hmm, Wallace is one of the first few victim to Journey Ash the champion killer
native carbon
Mine was red in silver technically. If you would call that secret
Hardest secret fight is of course against Cynthia in gen 5 haha
native carbon
Walk into a random house and there she is
native carbon
Lol
pseudo goblet
wait wrong link
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native carbon
Fantastic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp_mrjyqmn4 still my fave gen 5 theme
mighty storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cho2NsCKZZc
based champion, she has the best pokemon on her team
pseudo goblet
based champion, she has the best pokemon on her team
the Slug?
native carbon
Best champion for sure
mighty storm
Yep
native carbon
Spiritomb
pseudo goblet
kinda forgot the name lmao
normal cave
yeah cynth is best champ
native carbon
Gastrodon lol
pseudo goblet
why are yall disrespecting my boy ash as champion lmao
mighty storm
native carbon
Ash is a choker
native carbon
Everyone knows the best theme from gen 5 is actually Driftveil City
mighty storm
I remember the wailord of BW2
native carbon
I've watched gen 1-4 when I was a kid
pseudo goblet
because I didn't watch the anime past early jhoto
You should totally watch the world championship finals, everyone keep saying its the best animated fight in the anime all these years
native carbon
Some of XY
native carbon
Wailord is awesome
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You should totally watch the world championship finals, everyone keep saying its...
I don't watch tv these days
pseudo goblet
https://pm1.narvii.com/6421/17b44680011d48a6db499cdb0d7f0a474b56988d_hq.jpg
okay thats cool
normal cave
that means shows online too
native carbon
I watch youtube only nowadays
native carbon
All my time is used on card games haha
pseudo goblet
that means shows online too
everybody going with the Raptor trend now huh 
native carbon
Arceus
pseudo goblet
Imagine making the Beeg Groudon a small raptor
native carbon
Kyogre is gonna be one of those water dinos
native carbon
pseudo goblet
Thats the second paradox form idea ive seen with these two
Why not fusing Mothim and Wormadam for a paradox 
or bugs with similar relationships
coolest i can think is Karrablast evo and Accelgor
native carbon
That would be cool
normal cave
https://twitter.com/badafra/status/1625857386572558337
it's beautiful
armored wezl
seviper is also one of my faves
just combining two pokemon I really like
pseudo goblet
Would it be too much if they make an ancient paradox Weavile, since we got Sneasler just recently
normal cave
no
buuuut I'd still prefer to see primal or future furret
future furret being a manmade creation for the sole purpose of having a cuddle buddy
pseudo goblet
mighty storm
https://twitter.com/pokemonhttps/status/1630589196904857601?s=46&t=00hFD1bXfD7ee...
from the patterzz skit
harsh path
Looking forward to trying Walking Wake in Rain
golden lance
It's kind of a shame that his ability only triggers in the sun
harsh path
Hydro Steam is also really funny
You donāt really expect to see a Water Type in a Sun team
Jurassic Sui
harsh path
https://twitter.com/pokemonhttps/status/1630589196904857601?s=46&t=00hFD1bXfD7ee...
As much as itās a bootleg
Itās actually just super cool
Then again Rayquaza just goes hard in general
Though honestly Iād unironically try Sun just because of Jurassic Sui
The sheer novelty of a Sun team Water Type just would sell it for me
mighty storm
It's kind of a shame that his ability only triggers in the sun
just give it a booster
also
Why wurmple?! How could you 
turning to a life of crime, just to fill the boredom 
golden lance
That's a wurmple
harsh path
Poor Wurmple
golden lance
mighty storm
its like an hour till midnight alright
Alternatively it's a weedle in a wurmple disguise, or is a wurmple named weedle.
harsh path
Canāt believe you disrespected the creator of Beautiflies
the cutest of the Bug Types
golden lance
<:cheems:683182129668292685> its like an hour till midnight alright
It's 2:56 am here
No excuses
mighty storm
mighty storm
still need a wurmple to finish off the collection
harsh path
What was the name of the Dustox cocoon mon again?
harsh path
How dare!
mighty storm
What was the name of the Dustox cocoon mon again?
cascoon
harsh path
Beautifly isnāt ugly!
Is cute
The person who wrote this article probably kicks puppies
harsh path
Such slander
mighty storm
harsh path
*Libel my bad
mighty storm
soon
harsh path
Also damn shiny Iron Bundle looks sick
mighty storm
good night everyone
golden lance
Gn
harsh path
Like I cannot gush enough how the absolute madlads made a Water type that works in the sun
sand forge
Most people would've assumed that "Oh the water type is one of the strongest in the game, we probably don't need to give it anything else" would be a sane statement
pseudo goblet
It's 2:56 am here
We re the same 
normal cave
https://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/beautifly/
I miss the smogon meme articles
their kakuna article was the first one I read when I tried to learn competetive pokemon and I actually believed that a 32hko was impressive for a moment
harsh path
Is this the PokƩmon equivalent of the 10 card Ojama King OTK?
last musk
warm sky
harsh path
āClever girlā¦ā
pseudo goblet
pseudo goblet
outer eagle
Ren really fought a gym leader 7 levels under
swift jasper
he only needs clef
silver vigil
latent sleet
hydreigon sweep
warm sky
https://twitter.com/SmogonU/status/1630961123984850945
... ya know with both Gengar AND Scizor in the tier (who are top 10 for me)
Maybe I SHOULD just do UU instead
Plus I wanna use Lokix
normal cave
floatzel and weavile are both RU now
...not that RU has a rain setter
peli stuck in OU
latent sleet
lonely at the top sadge
warm sky
Unfortunately nobody here is a UU player so I can't get help
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all its friends moving to RUlands
honestly, could probs run floatzel in RU
and even slot in weavile
buuuut idk the tier
need to use rain dance to set up rain
pseudo goblet
random stream
welcome back baxcalibur 
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ren
I think it was choccy who pointed out yesterday
azu just slams walking wake
and it can't retaliate
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worst it can do is hurricane, which isn't even a 2-shot
meanwhile azu one-shots with play rough even without belly drum or band
random stream
try sitrus berry play rough jet drum ice spinner or liqui
ice spinner can help vs water absorb clodsire
normal cave
ice spinner is just nice
also helps with indeedee teams
or the one electric terrain belibolt player
random stream
you dont even have to click drum most of the time tbh
random stream
you can try lefties protect like what I used to run
play rough ice spinner aqua jet protect
normal cave
that could work, too
I'll try it later, since I don't have time for showdown atm
but I guess I swap scizor for azu?
losing bullet punch is annoying, since it shuts down valiant and hatterene
but wezl also shuts those down
sleek eagle
Yup
A wise man once said If its not 100% accurate its 50% accurate
So i just decide there's a 50/50 chance of it working and that the numbers are a lie
crimson moat
You only miss 100% of the chances you don't take
You also only miss 100% of all Focus Blasts you do take
crimson moat
Lie
sleek eagle
I didn't save the replay
crimson moat
Lying through your goddamn teeth
sleek eagle
Lying through your goddamn teeth
I didn't hit it any other times
Although thats the only time i used it recently
To obliterate a dunsparce
normal cave
I hit hydro pumps
sleek eagle
Tbf you can miss an 100% accurate move
normal cave
50% accuracy moves in fact have a chance of hitting you instead
no that's high jump kick
which is 90% iirc
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sand forge
Also Paralysis off of Thunderbolt has a 100% chance of fully paralysing that turn
mighty storm
I think ogerpon is gonna be dark/fairy
crimson moat
never forget start9
golden lance
last musk
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1631025805445791745?t=SruuZXEJ1iwDoSHUToOJTw&...
A single pebble takes out half this team
evolving ominite
heresy
last musk
It's a reference
I am aware
warm sky
golden lance
|| > Some PokƩmon will gain special Terastal forms||
||They couldn't resist, could they?||
tacit sphinx
Is it a weird take to think the best music in Pokemon is the Hall of Fame theme
idk how itās so perfectly satisfying but it is
itās like the perfect āyou did it!ā music
normal cave
idt it's such a weird take
but at the same time, I don't quite agree with it
it doesn't sound anything special to me, it just brings memories of winning the game
the sentiment is special. but the actual song? it sounds a little simple.
tacit sphinx
Fair
normal cave
I guess it's kind of like the final fantasy victory fanfares in that sense
tacit sphinx
Itās not my favourite song in Pokemon but I do love it
My favourite is probably uhhh
Lake of Rage theme
The Gen 3 remix fucks super hard
Like the Sevii Islands song
normal cave
idk which one is my fave. white treehollow I'd like to say, but sentiment plays a large role there too
I think most of my time in my white 2 save was spent there
golden lance
My favorite theme is probably like
normal cave
archie/maxie's gen 6 remix and the gen 5 e4 themes are right up my alley
golden lance
Capt Briney's boat theme
golden lance
You can hear it fully in the post game, fyi
vagrant steppe
Mine is the gen 5 minor legendary theme
normal cave
manse actually felt humiliated by losing to his kid when it's his job to lose to trainers
what a joke
vagrant steppe
It's all over the place. It's so good
normal cave
such a hectic song
sand forge
|| > Some PokƩmon will gain special Terastal forms||
The new forms are the coolest part of modern Pokemon
tacit sphinx
https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-cat-jam-head-bounce-kitty-gif-17946989
The true best edit tho
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tacit sphinx
What are the lake trio up to these days anyway
Remember when Azelf was like the premier suicide lead in DPP
normal cave
I've seen it used that way a while back
void herald
heatran be like "a frogge biĆ¾ a smale beaste wiĆ¾ foure leggeys, whiche liueĆ¾ boĆ¾e in Ć¾e water and on londe"
bleak pine
itās like the perfect āyou did it!ā music
Yeah, it's pretty much the iconic victory fanfare that all your training has led up to this moment
I especially love how it's integrated into a lot of tracks in Sword/Shield
Drives in the feeling of triumph
Also on the note of tracks that slap
Battle! Champion (FireRed/Leafgreen)
Took the theme from Red/Green, and just made it slap megahard
bleak pine
Yessss
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bleak pine
A shame you had to participate at a very specific time to listen to this
bleak pine
It's pretty much the de-facto track for any sort of big battle event
normal cave
but it's more about you having to be really fucking good to listen to it from your ds
world class, in fact
bleak pine
Honestly, all this VGC stuff makes me wonder why something like, I guess "PokƩmon World Championship Edition 20XX" or something can't be a thing.
Mostly being a game that is an actual official simulator for battles.
But eh.
normal cave
you have mainline pokemon games unlike ygo
mighty storm
still surprised that pokemon tcg made a twitch plays reference
normal cave
also, the world championship theme will forever be pachirisu's theme
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man even had a pachirisu plushie
bleak pine
I don't care what everyone else says, Pachirisu pretty much cemented itself as the icon of VGC
It was a very effective message for others who want to participate too.
bleak pine
shhhhhh Ren
normal cave
he has too much power
bleak pine
||That being said, congratulations Ren!||
But be sure to put em in spoiler tags, real or not
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this is the third time I see a leak of that
random stream
Turns out walking wake is a good sun counter for rain wezl
im trying walking over golduck
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||KINGDRA LESGO||
random stream
||oh nice!||
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walking wake is the best answer to walking wake
||kingdra and tentacruel rain is getting so many tools back||
||politoed too||
golden lance
||> Swampert||
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||poli doesn't get u-turn tho||
||no megapert tho||
||normal pert with no swift swim is hella mid, no?||
golden lance
||no megapert tho||
||didn't mean it in the context of rain, i like using defensive pert in general||
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||ah okie||
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||Altho, kingdra back is hella nice||
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||kingdra back gives a stronger swift swim abuser than golduck||
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||Also, we're getting tornadus therian back, are we not?||
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||kingdra and golduck are both 95 spatk and 85 speed||
||kingdra gets draco meteor tho, while idk if it will get nasty plot||
||or grass knot||
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||duck can't use hurricane, too||
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||a case can be made for both then, but kingdra can function as a mini walking wake with swift swim||
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||duck can't use hurricane, too||
||neither can kingdra, no?||
||oh you mean tornadus||
||if it gets defog as well it could be huge for rain||
mighty storm
some fanmade paradoxes to go with walking wake š®
normal cave
they almost nailed the entei
just need crazier eyes and a bigger jaw
the raikou is very far off tho. it just looks too good. none of the walking wake ugliness.
except for the fact that that face does NOT fit that body at all
it's just raikou's normal face, which is a kitty
normal cave
wing attack
wait, did wing attack see use?
I could have sworn it did
no, I must be mistaking it with dual wingbeat, nevermind
golden lance
Is Submission the worst move that was competitively relevant
Didn't rock throw see use?
Nvm it didnt
Everyone that got it also gets rock slide
fading stratus
wait, did wing attack see use?
Someone topped a tournament a while ago with wing attack dragonite iirc
Probably forgot aerial ace existed or something
normal cave
bleak pine
some fanmade paradoxes to go with walking wake š®
Dayum boi, he THICC
bleak pine
Is Submission the worst move that was competitively relevant
Submission has such a cool Japanese name, it's a shame it has to be a subpar fighting-type move
It's called "Hell Wheel" in JP
jagged linden
|| > Some PokƩmon will gain special Terastal forms||
honestly I was more surprised at how this wasn't a thing in the base game
it just makes too much sense to expand on "haha funny hat based on type" by taking the next logical step there
pseudo goblet
Quaquaval players be like https://youtube.com/shorts/x9gUrlDx0sg?feature=share
normal cave
@jagged linden
jagged linden
so precious
normal cave
manse got moves
mighty storm
like aqua step
outer eagle
Ttar will finally see his buddy again so thatās nice
normal cave
||wait exca is back?||
||gdi now rain will have another weather to compete with. at least we'll have kingdra to help keep up with sun, and another weather will weaken sun even more||
||rain and sandstorm uniting to beat up the sun||
placid junco
Just you wait for wind rider to be put on an actually half decent mon
placid junco
Iām still mad brambleghast has nothing good to use with itās ghost type
Lookit all that attack stat
And it can only use it well on like 2 moves
normal cave
it gets shadow sneak
shadow sneak, phantom force, bullet seed and power whip
phantom force with tailwind is kinda spicy, and kinda cringe
you can get two turns of protect if you time it on the last turn of tailwind, but otherwise you're wasting tailwind time
two turns of protect if you face a mon with more than 90 speed is sick
brambleghast doesn't get tailwind
why would you give a mon a signature ability based on tailwind and not give it tailwind
what do you want people to do, choice scarf it and dual wingbeat it in doubles?
or just run this with a tailwind user
still cringe that it can't set its own tailwind
normal cave
I don't think it would have been good, mind, but it's a threat that sets its own tailwind
it essentially doubles its speed and boosts its attack for four turns with one move
which is a p strong setup move
set up tailwind, get the attack boost, and then click power whip/seed bomb
it would be a p solid plan, minus the fact that it barely has any other moves
normal cave
warm sky
Is Submission the worst move that was competitively relevant
Growl
Which has a niche in gen 2 OU
Iirc
silver vigil
Howl, Gust
warm sky
Mfw a box legendary is forced to use howl
silver vigil
Though howl prob doesnāt count
warm sky
Actually wait hold on there's a good video on the topic
random stream
buffed kimono girls almost got me @outer eagle 
(gatr has quick feet so the poison was intentional)
Clef clutched as usual
random stream
their levels werent far off but like
their attacks were crazy
Yeah my box is dying
outer eagle
did you give them extra mons
cuz that's the biggest thing you can boost them with
at minimum 1 extra mon turns a 6v6 into a 12v6
except your lead is vulnerable every time as well
normal cave
fucking bloodbath holy shit
warm sky
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1812264307-je7hwejp1zgblayulatg6d2v9pbsbxkpw oh hey first time I have won this week
warm sky
Honestly, the terra dark was probably the reason I caused the swing?
That and keeping my own Torkoal out
Plus him doing scarf vs specs wake
normal cave
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Dark Roaring Moon Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 324-382 (87.3 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Dragon Claw vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Torkoal: 168-198 (48.9 - 57.7%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
wait
warm sky
252+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Tera Dark Roaring Moon Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 420-496 (113.2 - 133.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
warm sky
He basically had no way to stop that
normal cave
I'm asking myself if he had a way to stop non-tera dragon claw
warm sky
I am also considering doing tera electric for wake just for the mirror matches and rain teams
normal cave
252+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Walking Wake: 636-750 (187.6 - 221.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
since it was scarf that doesn't work tho
warm sky
It's why I went for wake vs wake
normal cave
but hatte can swap into wake relatively safely
warm sky
Unless sun's up
normal cave
if he clicked draco meteor he'd have beaten wake
252+ SpA Protosynthesis Tera Water Walking Wake Hydro Steam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hatterene in Sun: 354-418 (111.3 - 131.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
true
warm sky
if he clicked draco meteor he'd have beaten wake
Yeah, but I was basically baiting tbh
normal cave
also, with tera water he was most likely clicking hydro steam
warm sky
Exactly
normal cave
it's also that he could not ever click draco meteor because hatte existed
the mere threat meant he couldn't do that safely unless he was fine risking losing a turn in exchange for yoinking your wake
which was probs what he should have done, considering how else is he beating you if you keep wake
and if he did
you just throw in hatte and get a free calm mind
nice job
normal cave
tries out walking wake
outspeed opponent walking wake
draco meteor misses and theirs one-shots
warm sky
It do be like that
tacit sphinx
@warm sky try gen 2 ou with me
normal cave
holy shit this game
@random stream btw I swapped some stuff on the team
idk how it is now
random stream
sorry terribly busy right now, will have to get back to you some other time
warm sky
<@!131023596607897600> try gen 2 ou with me
No
warm sky
I refuse to do gens without the Phys special split
normal cave
scizor works too
normal cave
ayy you got moushold
warm sky
(there's an encounter generator)
And only 1 death so far
Being my hoppip
Because vice grip hits HARD
normal cave
warm sky
Current team is
Crocalor
Fletchinder
Nymble
Kricketune
Arrokuda
Pikachu
Diglett
Phanpy
warm sky
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-uu-viability-list.3714246/ use this
Yeah I'll think about it
pseudo goblet
Which gym/boss you at Yami?
warm sky
Which gym/boss you at Yami?
2 badges, 1 titan
So birb titan next
And I got nothing against it lmao
Except Pikachu
Luckily I found a thunderstone
pseudo goblet
No Nacli? or missed the chance
it really took a chunk of salt for me to like rock type in battles, and not just the moves
normal cave
tacit sphinx
I refuse to do gens without the Phys special split
but lax :c
warm sky
No Nacli? or missed the chance
Nuzlocke
So I didn't roll it
With my random generator
I could go to another area where Nacli is and hope I get one there
But it's RNG
warm sky
I mean if I do a nuzlocke, but eh Raichu Thunderbolt is probably enough
normal cave
tho iron treads has been mid so far, I might return to chomp
actually, no, it has not been mid
having a rapid spinner feels sooooo good
lets me keep peli around much longer
I would put cloak on something tho (idk what)
pseudo goblet
With my random generator
Ah, randomizer, got it
normal cave
treads is like the only thing that can carry cloak here, and it's useless on it
I guess I just need to make sure I am applying max pressure vs garg teams so they can't safely switch it in
pseudo goblet
Think i need to do more surprise trade, i still dont have Fuecoco or Quaxly
warm sky
Ah, randomizer, got it
Not a randomizer
I don't suddenly run into weavile in route 1
Just that to keep the you can't pick a teammate part of the nuzlocke in tact
I use an encounter generator website to determine who I catch
Per area
pseudo goblet
I see 
cunning osprey
What pre Gen 9 PokƩmon remain unseen in the tv anime continuity
warm sky
Porygon 2 and Z
last musk
https://twitter.com/PokemonTCG/status/1631021500797943809
These fools
They've endorsed emulators now
silver vigil
thumbnails have peaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cnft6Dlqgw
warm sky
Thank you big yellow
warm sky
me trying to teambuild UU
Realize I got 2 steel types and 1 ground type
S-should I add Ttar?
normal cave
does ttar solve any issues you have?
sandstorm is nice, but you can't abuse it without excadrill, can you?
pseudo goblet
normal cave
I guess you can try to build it as rock wezl
well, more like rock skewda
but the problem is sandstorm doesn't give you the damage boost rain does
so you can't just cleek leekweedation
or in rock's case cleek rook sleede
movepool so mid you need to run drill run or stomping tantrum
eh, I guess the coverage moves are nice, with play rough and close combat
elemental/psychic fangs too
but like, that's still not the same as wezl/skewda slapping on a band in the rain and melting water resists with liquidation/wave crash
warm sky
Maybe not yeah
Rn it's specs gengar for late game cleanup and wallbreaking
band scizor for pivots, revenge kills & wallbreaking
Tink because bulky and has rocks
Gastrodon because spikes and 4x fire resist
But now the question is... What else?
normal cave
ok so, you have two lategame sweepers
which work throughout the game anyways
consider going swords dance over band for scizor
you can threaten them into switching and get a free swords dance, and it leaves you flexible to u-turn if they bring in something nasty
lets you bullet punch and u-turn
would go really well with a hazard remover
talonflame can work
normal cave
breloom is ou
this is for uu
if you want spore, gotta go with brute bonnet
which is kinda mid :/
latent sleet
also talonflame has defog?
normal cave
yes
latent sleet
huh didnāt know that
latent sleet
is flame body 25% or 30%
latent sleet
nice chances
normal cave
rotom gives you volt switch and a "kill this now" button for gastro and other tanky mons
plus it's an annoying mon
you can give it scarf and trick to just delete an enemy mon, more or less
warm sky
Yeah Talonflame is good
normal cave
having a bunch of u-turn/volt switch users on the team is v nice
latent sleet
heard mimikyu is solid enough
normal cave
lets you manouveur easily around your opponent
yeah but we already have two sweepers with scizor/gengar
warm sky
And reason I am considering band over SD for Scizor is because I can moreso immediately threaten, and can use Aerial Ace for Slither & Tauros Fire
Trailblaze is also an option there tho tbh
50 bp and technician
normal cave
also works
warm sky
I think I want something to deal with Salamence probably