Or maybe it's a thing it did in the past and now cannot in the future due to evolution?
#Pokemon
swift jasper
silver vigil
random stream
Did you win @snow oasis
snow oasis
I have not gone in yet
Should I run Focus Punch over Brick Break on Snorlax?
If I put something to sleep I can murder it to death with Focus Punch, but I’m not sure what I’d be Focus Punching that I couldn’t just Return
swift jasper
Brick Break is more consistent
sand forge
Is Frustration ever viable
swift jasper
You'd really only want focus punch on sub builds
sand forge
Surely by having a Pokémon who can do well with Frustration leads to a Pokémon bad at Frustration
swift jasper
Is Frustration ever viable
Just as return, just that return is easier to keep at max between matches
If you forget and go into grass and kill smth, suddenly it's not at it's max
sand forge
I suppose on showdown its probably fine
snow oasis
Frustration literally gets worse during fights
snow oasis
Surely by having a Pokémon who can do well with Frustration leads to a Pokémon b...
This implies not I think
sand forge
I meant generally, but I imagine it's better in competitive
snow oasis
Are there any moves or abilities besides Return/Frustration that are affected by either your or your opponent’s mon’s friendship?
swift jasper
Iirc no
snow oasis
Then the only reason to run Frustration is because you’re a mean person whose mons don’t like them :(
snow oasis
Actually there’s a MARGINAL usage for uhh
Frustration vs Return for things like Imprison
random stream
@snow oasis for snorlax just do return shadow ball
snow oasis
Sure
swift jasper
Also frustration and return lets you get azumaril very early in bw2
Cause teaching a tm gives happiness
So you loop them
Funny thing, teaching frustration reduces its power
sand forge
I don't think I've ever evolved a Togepi
swift jasper
Lmao
snow oasis
So you loop them
infinite friendship glitch (real)
sand forge
I will now befriend Griff (by frustrating him)
swift jasper
infinite friendship glitch (real)
There is a cap
snow oasis
swift jasper
You get to max in like
A few levels
I remember getting it at like lv 18 or smth
Like getting a marill very fast and immediately evolving into azumarill
swift jasper
Just for roxie
random stream
Okmma just ping me whenever
snow oasis
Marill evolves by level up
swift jasper
Idr this was years ago
snow oasis
I’m literally right here renfie
snow oasis
Oh I see what you mean
swift jasper
So you spam work up/return/frustration on the baby
Get her some levels
And it evolves
Just in time for azumarill
snow oasis
Ye I misunderstood you
swift jasper
So yeah frustration is op
random stream
Oh ok so who are your 6?
swift jasper
🙃
random stream
Or well just ask me about movesets
snow oasis
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Yeah this looks pretty goodmma. since the rival has venusaur there's no exeggutor to worry about
snor should handle most of agatha, jolteon for lorelei + gyaras, rest of lance is with the two waters
sandslash for bruno
then rival fight is a slug fest
snow oasis
yeah it should be a real slobberknocker but I think I should win without too much trouble
probably starmie for bruno tho since surf + psychic just makes his whole team not exist
lax is immunity too so literally no fear going into cringe fail agatha
snow oasis
yeah
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for blastoise I think surf ice beam protect x with lefties is gonna be good since you could really use the extra hp
can keep rain dance if you're doing thunder shenanigans with the mie
or toxic
snow oasis
I legit just picked up rain dance bc it makes surf go brrr
I can def replace it since starmie’s the one that will go heehoo thunder
random stream
snow oasis
I still have toxic tm too so blastoise could be protect toxic lefties, but then I don’t have an item for either slash or aero
random stream
yeah protect lefties is a little slow animation wise but it lets you be a lot safer in case something ever goes wrong
snow oasis
for the E4 I turn battle animations back on for literally the only time in the game
snow oasis
since fly lefties is nice for aero
and double edge too
random stream
oh is aero not rock head?
random stream
have you already picked up the sitrus berries from route 6 or the one right near victory road?
snow oasis
didn’t know there was one near victory road I’ll go pick that one up
random stream
Nyaruhodo
But yeah that sounds good, protox blastoise should get you out of tight spots if it ever comes to it
good luck and let me know how it goes
snow oasis
me in 3 hours: “died to bruno”
tacit sphinx
me in 3 hours: “died to bruno”
if you lose to bruno without actively trying to lose i will eat lipstick
snow oasis
genuinely I feel like you could beat bruno by just shooting rubber bands at random buttons
tacit sphinx
My favourite is how in Gen 2 the only change they made to his team was replacing 1 Onix with Hitmontop
So he still inexplicably has an Onix
snow oasis
AT LEAST GIVE HIM A FUCKING STEELIX
Did you know btw
There are zero trainers in the ENTIRETY of FRLG who use a Poliwrath
snow oasis
Even if you fight every trainer you will not see a single Poliwrath throughout FRLG without evolving one yourself
tacit sphinx
There are *zero* trainers in the ENTIRETY of FRLG who use a Poliwrath
This happens more often than you’d think tbf
snow oasis
And they still didn’t five it to Bruno
snow oasis
This happens more often than you’d think tbf
I think in FRLG it’s only uhh
tacit sphinx
IIRC there is no Chimecho in RSE other than Mt Pyre
snow oasis
Poliwrath, Golem, Clefable
the fossils and eeveelutions obv but they don’t quite count
Porygon
tacit sphinx
Chimecho also has the last index value in Gen 3’s Pokemon list so the theory is that it was made extremely late
snow oasis
That’s Jasmine’s
Tbf in Emerald, Drake uses a Kingdra despite it being Juan’s signature mon
tacit sphinx
Listen I am a massive Gen 2 defender but I can and will freely admit that its bosses have some
decisions
You wanna know my absolute favourite
snow oasis
Same thing with Flannery using a Camerupt despite it being Maxie’s signature
tacit sphinx
The biggest meme in Gen 2 boss teams
swift jasper
That’s Jasmine’s
That's not the reason
snow oasis
Jasmine’s Sunny Day Steelix with zero Fire moves
swift jasper
Steelix is gen 2
tacit sphinx
Steelix is gen 2
we were talking about his gen 2 team at that time
tacit sphinx
Jasmine’s Sunny Day Steelix with zero Fire moves
No
swift jasper
Oh
tacit sphinx
Even bigger meme
swift jasper
Then it's cringe
snow oasis
See like with Lorelei and Agatha and Lance it makes sense in gen 1 bc there weren’t enough Ice/Ghost/Dragon types for a full team
but there’s 5 Fighting types in Kanto
Why tf Bruno got TWO onix
tacit sphinx
Xatu, Slowbro, Jynx, Exeggutor, and Xatu
tacit sphinx
Without looking it up, do you know what’s different between the Xatus?
snow oasis
Gender?
tacit sphinx
||the level||
snow oasis
Phoebe does that too I think
tacit sphinx
Both of the Xatus have an identical movepool
snow oasis
Ah, at least Phoebe’s mons have different movesets
tacit sphinx
I think in HGSS they actually changed one of the Xatus but in GSC they both have Quick Attack, Future Sight, Psychic, Confuse Ray
tacit sphinx
I might love the Gen 2 games but the E4 are kinda weak
Except Karen who everyone loves
snow oasis
Gen 3-4 were improved but still had some brain king moments
snow oasis
Hitmonchan in general in gen 1 is arguably the weakest fully evolved pokemon in the game, period
excluding Ditto
tacit sphinx
Okay but get this
In Yellow, Bruno’s Hitmonchan has
Thunderpunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch
and Double Team
No STAB, no physical moves
snow oasis
Ye
tacit sphinx
Its special is 30 iirc
35! I was close
You know what’s funny is that the Hitmons have like
bizarrely good special defence
All of them have 110 base SpD
Which isn’t like amazing but
Surprisingly high
snow oasis
Fighting types with good spd are a nice novelty
tacit sphinx
Well like
Part of why Hitmontop was so good in doubles for ages was
Intimidate + good SpD
snow oasis
Wolfey won worlds running ‘top didn’t he
tacit sphinx
idk tbh
tacit sphinx
<@107723084735201280> why didnt will get espy or gira?
In the former’s case
snow oasis
because gen 2 didn’t know what the fuck it was doing
tacit sphinx
Because Red had it
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Nyaruhodo
snow oasis
Gen 2 honestly feels like the biggest gap between its potential and what it actually turned out to be of the entire series
tacit sphinx
People forget because they generally try not to make choices canon in Pokemon but Red’s original team had Espeon over Lapras
It’s okay though Red still has Snorlax
snow oasis
Horrendous level curve, genuinely incomprehensible npc team choices, the locking of a sizable number of the new mons behind the postgame
Johto honestly feels like an afterthought which is kind of a bad thing for the MAIN STORY to be
tacit sphinx
“Gen 2 isn’t Snorlax and Friends, it’s Snorlax and the fucking mortals who he’s decided to spare from his wrath” - Big Yellow
tacit sphinx
Horrendous level curve, genuinely incomprehensible npc team choices, the locking...
I had a thought about the level curve recently while playing SV
You know how people say “if you get overlevelled just swap in some weaker mons”
Lowkey I wonder if that was their intent
But then I realise I’m just trying to justify it because I like gen 2 lmao
I dunno I just wonder if the devs intended more swapping out of mons
snow oasis
See there’s the difference
snow oasis
If you’re overleveled it gives you the chance to try out new mons
If you’re UNDERleveled it makes you less likely to try a new strat
tacit sphinx
Bear in mind I’m not arguing in favour of it
snow oasis
Yea
tacit sphinx
Just like hypothesising
snow oasis
But I do think SV’s way, while still not good design, is at least less infuriating design
tacit sphinx
What shocks me about Gen 2 discourse rn is like
How do I put this
People act like it’s Gen 1 shittiness
Nowadays
snow oasis
It’s not but like
I feel like Gen 2’s shittiness is sorta masked somewhat by how much shittier Gen 1 was
Objectively Gen 2 is full of 
decisions
tacit sphinx
Sure but so are all the Pokemon games
Even the absolute sacred cow that is Gen 5 has dumb shit
@snow oasis wait i got a worse gen 2 boss decision than will
I literally forgot until this very second
Why the fuck does Bugsy have a Metapod and Kakuna again
snow oasis
B2W2 are great; BW are, while not bad, definitely the most overrated in the series imo
snow oasis
Why the fuck does Bugsy have a Metapod and Kakuna again
I forgot that lmao
Also Morty has Gastly, Haunter, and Gengar
tacit sphinx
Pretty sure he has two Haunters
snow oasis
The Ghost type leader IN JOHTO doesn’t use the new Johto Ghost
tacit sphinx
That goes for everyone though lmao
Actually, one sec
Yeah so 50% of the Johto gym leaders have a Johto mon as their ace
Whitney has the infamous Miltank, Clair has Kingdra, Pryce has Piloswine, and Jasmine has Steelix
snow oasis
The other four don’t even USE any Johto mons at all, right?
Genuinely mystifying design choices
Why not give Falkner a Noctowl, or at least a Hoothoot? Why not give Bugsy a Heracross instead of Scyther? Where is Morty’s Misdreavus? Chuck can’t use Hitmontop?
tacit sphinx
Have you heard the Gen 2 Gym Leader theory, incidentally?
snow oasis
Enlighten me
tacit sphinx
I don’t agree with it, but the idea is that they’re all upgraded Trainer classes.
Falker - Bird Keeper (obvious)
Bugsy - Bug Catcher (obvious)
Whitney - Lass/Beauty (obvious)
Morty - Sage (ghosts/Ecruteak)
Chuck - Black Belt (obvious)
Jasmine - Picnicker (because Picnickers use a lot of mons like Sandshrew which is similar to Steel and they have the same hat ig???????)
Pryce - Gentleman (old guy)
Clair - Dragon Tamer (obvious)
As you can see the theory is dumb but
It has persisted
snow oasis
Ehhh
Isn’t it literally just that they were all the Gym types that hadn’t been in Gen 1
other than Dark obviously since 17 types for 16 Gyms
snow oasis
Ahh
warm sky
golden lance
Is Frustration ever viable
During gen 7, the rental team mechanic didn't copy happiness, instead it just sets it to zero
So stuff like mega kang used frustration instead of return because of that
outer eagle
i mean most "ate" mons i've seen used Frustration over Return just so that a regular Ditto doesn't get the benefit
snow oasis
i mean most "ate" mons i've seen used Frustration over Return just so that a reg...
Right, this is another reason
In any case
The hour is nigh
Lorelei more like SNORElei
sharp kernel
snow oasis
we uh. we had some slight problems with bruno.
surely his hitmonlee won’t live a psychic on one HP and then kill from full with a crit mega kick
surely his machamp won’t live a surf on one HP and then kill from full with a crit cross chop
surely it won’t then subsequently live a thunderbolt on one HP and then kill from full with a (regular, but +1) cross chop
golden lance
What rom is this?
snow oasis
Cartridge LeafGreen lol
Agatha down
This does not slip now
We rise above
Lance down
One way or another, it ends now
bleak pine
Hoo Hah!
snow oasis
Having problems with Bruno
For some reason he’s actually the bane of my Kanto lockes
Lost two mons to him my first time around too
Literally no one else gives any trouble
snow oasis
fun fact! Protect + Toxic stalling out an entire team of 6 fucking sucks, especially when one of them is Poison type
did I cheat my personal ruleset and spam Full Restores mid fight bc I didn’t want to lose? perhaps.
do I care? not really
golden lance
Wait
snow oasis
if the game cheats me I’m gonna cheat back
snow oasis
Venusaur
I had to yawn that and whack it with return til it stopped breathing
Fun fact then I went back and did the Bruno fight over again and 6-0’d him bc he didn’t have cringe fail RNG
Get fucked you shirtless idiot you couldn’t stop me anyways
@random stream I will never call FRLG piss easy ever again
I will now call them “piss easy when the game doesn’t literally load not only the die but the entire casino against you”
warm sky
mighty storm
it even knows when itself dies logically
sand forge
I think the end of existence might be a tad more harrowing
young river
they probably foresaw Scarlet and Violet... the horror
long stone
i don't think its that bad.
bc it knows everything. these is no mystery
"i have seen it all".mon
altho its nice of them that they don't just project these visions to other beings...
warm sky
altho its nice of them that they don't just project these visions to other being...
You were saying?
warm sky
long stone
rip xatu
golden lance
The bigger question is honestly what arceus is doing when that happens
warm sky
The bigger question is honestly what arceus is doing when that happens
he fell asleep and dialga forgot to set the alarm
or maybe it's like hinduism, endless cyclical nature
end of the universe leads to the next big bang
long stone
a Paradox mon that is the Creation Trio + Arceus all mixed up.
atomic cove
If you think about it
Couldn't AZ's Floette be a paradox pokemon?
It's beefier than a regular Floette, has a signature move, and looks different. It didn't time travel per se but it's old af
latent sleet
mighty storm
bleak pine
Aaaaaa
snow oasis
Ssssssss
obsidian juniper
i think i will replay pokemon y
actually thinking about playing it in english
mighty storm
Nuzlocke it @obsidian juniper
obsidian juniper
thats the plan yes
mighty storm
nice
mighty storm
I cant wait for when we can move PLA mons in SV
so I can unite my shiny ursaluna with my SV shiny teddiursa
sharp kernel
we should come up with rules for a good SV nuzlocke
I think first thing's first, flamigo and starters are banned
mighty storm
lechonk only
obsidian juniper
now chat
obsidian juniper
i think i will replay pokemon y
which starter do i pick
void herald
chespin for life #chespingang
vagrant steppe
I second Chespin
obsidian juniper
chespin it is
sharp kernel
Chespin
obsidian juniper
balls obtained
scatterbug is my first encounter
How much does the supertraining actually matter?
vagrant steppe
It's quick EV training
vagrant steppe
Yeah, but they add up
bleak pine
Alright, what can I do with a Squakabilly?
I'm trying to come up with something that it's pretty good at
vagrant steppe
Pretty much nothing... It's kinda just there
bleak pine
And no I don't care that Staraptor or Braviary exists
...Yeah, it's kinda there, but I still like to challenge myself to bring out the best of the parrot
Still pretty neat how they really shown their work on Squaks being like a good few parrots
obsidian juniper
You can only max 2
Ah
bleak pine
Like, these are based on some kind of parrot that was found in South America, but brought to Europe
obsidian juniper
Attack and hp then ig?
bleak pine
And they usually do come in a green color but can be bred to have yellow, blue or white colorations
Also, they have Zygodactyl feets, which is like, 2 digits in front and the back instead of the usual 3 front and 1 back
jeb
obsidian juniper
Also, first encounter in the foredt was the region bird
Not sure if im hyped about that, but i guess flying is neat
sharp kernel
Alright, what can I do with a Squakabilly?
Intimidate tailwind, taunt, Brave bird, foul play. Focus sash as item
Max speed max attack
bleak pine
Righto
bleak pine
So, Cinderace!
As it turns out, Cinderace the Unrivaled ends up using Bulk-Up every so often
Which, if done enough can invalidate any and all usage of Belly Drum to just blow past it’s defenses
I wasn’t affected since I had Slowbro out using tech moves to help everyone else
But it was funny seeing them just hammer with Play Rough, and not making any headway
Annnd did it, captured Cinderace!
Slowbro MVP
Thanks Ducky
waxen moat
bleak pine
I am aware you aren’t too fond of Slowbro, but I’m still glad to use something related to your favorite
Well now that I got a Cinderace, I guess I’m gonna keep doing raids with Slowbro against Cinderace
…I might change it up and maybe use Espartha
bleak pine
Also for @normal cave
Sneasel wearing glasses
I def wish this was higher resolution, cause I’d totally have this as a PFP
normal cave
Also for <@275683793975771137>
Sneasel wearing glasses
Me
warm sky
@normal cave how do you feel about slam poetry shiny sneasel from go
normal cave
I love shiny sneasel
And poetry
But why does it have glasses/beanie?
Is this an event mon or something?
normal cave
I think the outfit would look better on base sneasel, but I love it
It does look better on base sneasel
warm sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di5Pm4lWLUU anyway wanted to share this
pseudo goblet
bleak pine
Aaaaaa
I might try out Toxapex against Cinderace later.
Slowbro works out fine, but I feel like spicing things up every now and then
obsidian juniper
ok so, i already maxed out my fletchlings atk evs, should i also max its speed, or is it wiser to invest into hp since its speed is so high already?
vagrant steppe
Speed
bleak pine
Yeah
Even if you're gonna go first with the Gale Wings ability, sometimes you just need to throw a fire-type attack instead
obsidian juniper
Even if you're gonna go first with the Gale Wings ability, sometimes you just ne...
oh, is there a way to get hidden abilities this early?
vagrant steppe
Nope, friend Safari is it this game
obsidian juniper
vagrant steppe
So it'll be flame body only for a nuzelock
vagrant steppe
Do note that Super Training makes nuzelockes pretty trivial
I would have suggested ignoring it
obsidian juniper
have you considered that i am terrible at pokemon
vagrant steppe
Okay fair
obsidian juniper
bleak pine
Man, I wish things in SV learned Coaching
Would be a sick move to have for Tera Raid battles
Oh, you're talking about challenges, not teambuilding. Yeah, def speed and attack still
bleak pine
Alright, apparently got in a room with someone who probably didn't know what they were doing
They, the whole time, just had their Wigglytuff constantly use Metronome
Kinda thinking their end goal was to throw the raid
sharp kernel
harsh path
Reminded myself of that one Alakazam from one of the GameCube spin-offs that had the element punches
Made sense for the time with how physical and special move classification worked but still find it funny
mighty storm
bleak pine
...Ok yeah, this is a real winner
placid junco
Speed swap Rabsca seems really funny
pseudo goblet
Genuinely curious, can people pull out Scovillain’s heads similar to Tropius’s bananas or Slowpoke’s tail?
mighty storm
Im pretty sure they cant
pseudo goblet
So they can’t regrow the heads, shame, serve it with Moomoo cheese and ham slices sounds pretty good
Although I never tried bell peppers before
bleak pine
They apparently can give off whatever that extract is for hot sauce
...So yeah, no need to tear their heads off
mighty storm
what item do they drop in the wild?
pseudo goblet
...So yeah, no need to tear their heads off
Give it some time, some fans will probably make some art about it
bleak pine
Oh dear
I think it's Capaskid Petals
Or seeds
Either one
Apparently the teeth from Capaskid is used in hot sauce as well, so there's that.
pseudo goblet
Imma assume these two can learn seed bomb and bullet seeds
harsh path
Capsakid does
Just about to check Scovillain but Capsakid learns Bullet Seed at Level 21 and Seed Bomb at Level 44
Same levels are for Scovillain
Stone evo gaming
Spicy Extract is also a funny move
placid junco
Damn Eri’s anhilape doesn’t fuck around
bleak pine
It's really one mon I really liked introduced this gen
I just got a Mankey cause I learned it learned Cross Chop at an absurdly early level.
I didn't know it was gonna become Akuma
obsidian juniper
I think im gonna switch pidgey out for this pancham fella
Got the whole "physical fast bird" side of things covered well enough with the other one i reckon
placid junco
I really need to finish my bug type run of Y
atomic cove
if the anime had trainers with strats as scummy as some of the shit that's been cooked up in the games, could it defeat the true power of friendship ? 🤔
bleak pine
Nope
twin shard
Yes, why else do you think ash has lost so many tournaments
bleak pine
And even if it did? There's gonna be a rematch soon enough
...But yeah, it's subjective
As much as Ash trained in the early days, many others who enters likely have trained just as hard. But when you look at those league battles you tend to notice that Ash seems to place pretty highly consistently.
twin shard
Let’s be honest though, people will call literally any strat a scumbag strat
bleak pine
Not everyone can claim to have such a track record that often
And yeah
Sand-Attack is scummy, any sleeping move is scummy, etc.
mighty storm
Imagine if Ash had to fight a fear aron
bleak pine
I think most battles made it so that if a mon fell asleep, they were automatically disqualified.
Since y'know, they can't intelligently defend themselves
twin shard
Stall? Fight me you coward
Hyper offense? Let me set up you coward
Set up? Let me hit you, you coward
All rounder? Stop having the best Pokémon you coward
Rain? Fight me in the sun you coward
Sun? Fight me in the rain you coward
atomic cove
What's ash gonna do against some shit like funbro
mighty storm
Only to win at the last second cuz he realizes he has a rock/ground/or steel type
bleak pine
Those things rarely do get brought up in the anime, since Anime is wayyy different than the games.
atomic cove
Slowbro w/ Leppa Berry, Oblivious, Heal Pulse/Recycle/Slack Off/Block
sharp kernel
There’s only one annoying thing in comp right now and that’s focus sash Meowscarada
bleak pine
Well, nothing says you have to constantly give orders.
If a Slowbro had that moveset in the anime, all a trainer would need to do
Is just not have their mon act
twin shard
Literally just keep switching
atomic cove
Literally just keep switching
That's what Block is for
twin shard
It’s a draw unless they actually use something and begin struggling
bleak pine
Also I think in some high-end tournaments, mons can win by judge decision...?
sharp kernel
Do you know how big of a difference focus sash makes on Meowscarada? It’s the difference between winnable and unwinnable for some teams
bleak pine
So I guess the whole deal of "defense for the sake of defense" would not be very fetching
atomic cove
Full baton pass teams would run circles around plot armor
lyric pollen
do you play vgc or singles thugs
sharp kernel
Vgc
lyric pollen
yeah meow is pretty good
maybe thats why sand has gotten more popular
ko after sash
bleak pine
Truth be told I do enjoy the way the anime handles battles.
atomic cove
Take it back to gen 4 with the minimize muk 😂
bleak pine
Since it takes a lot of factors the games usually establish and ends up turning it around
sharp kernel
Garchomp had to adjust his bulk because the normal EV spread for chomp was still getting 1 shot by flower trick
It was actually kinda hilarious
But also sad
bleak pine
The flower of disrespect
lyric pollen
its also funny that protean seems less popular
atomic cove
I mean didn't protean get nerfed?
sharp kernel
It’s like not being used at all on the ladder
bleak pine
Yeah, it's nerf definitely made it less imposing
It's still a great ability, but isn't just a guessing game of What type will Greninja/Cinderace/Meowscarada/Kekleon(lol) will be now
lyric pollen
its also just that sash overgrow flower trick is so strong
sharp kernel
Cinderace might shake things up a bit, especially with skeledirge falling out of favor
lyric pollen
It wont be legal for at least a month
lyric pollen
yeah I'm going to an OCE event in feb
sharp kernel
Meta is legitly changing by the day
lyric pollen
I hope the ruleset isnt too crazy for that
bleak pine
I actually caught Cinderace Yesterday!
...Well, it took awhile to find a good enough team to go in with
I had like 3 tries in which all three members wanted to use Azumarill
...Which didn't bode well when Cinderace will use Bulk Up every so often
lyric pollen
that best raid mon video set society back by decades
I've been testing a lot with tauros
I really really like the water one
bleak pine
Would have been hella funny if they just gave Cinderace the Gunk Shot move instead of Iron Head
lyric pollen
and I think the fire one is good once the ruin mon are in the format
sharp kernel
All I know is, don’t sleep on big boy hariyama
lyric pollen
they also have 105 base def STAB body presses, which is cool
sharp kernel
He gets access to 2 moves that I think only 1 other Pokémon this Gen has access to
bleak pine
lyric pollen
headlong rush and uhhh
bleak pine
Kinda weird how rare Superpower is
bleak pine
Only a few mons actually learn it now, and a few that usually would just learn Close Combat instead
sharp kernel
The new force of nature has access to contrary superpower
lyric pollen
Its been really good on my cetitan for laddering, catching kingambits all the time
bleak pine
I guess they phased it out as Close Combat being a strenuous fit of martial fury, whereas Superpower is just
"beeg muscle"
lyric pollen
but cetitan after an attack drop is so ass its like a one and done
bleak pine
I wish Submission had more power
sharp kernel
I want to try a chilling reception team so bad, but it’s kinda too meme to spend time and build it atm
lyric pollen
I think submission got deleted from the game
bleak pine
Yep
mighty storm
so apparently scovillian has a gimmick
it uses grass moves with its red head, and fire moves with the green head
thats cute
bleak pine
Pretty neat. You'd think it'd be the other way around.
mighty storm
yep
placid junco
My team rotation going into the finales
pseudo goblet
How good is Veluza?
lucid moth
trash tbh
placid junco
I could see it maybe being a menace in like
NU
Gonna be making all my Pokémon level 57 before going into any of the finales
lyric pollen
veluza is a gimmick mon for sure
but it did carry me in-game
and if it gets set up +2 sharpness boosted STAB psycho cuts will hurt
nonwithstanding terrain and the guaranteed crit set up if you're a mad person
sand forge
It's interesting to me how boring Veluza is compared to your other no-evo Pokémon
Pinsir, Tauros, Lapras, Ditto, Shuckle, Skarmory, Smeargle, Miltank, Sableye, Mawile, Torkoal, Castform, Kecleon, Tropius and so on
And then
Fish
maiden flax
silver vigil
I am lame
sand forge
I am lame
Did you know in terms of Gooey's favourites, Vaporeon is the only Eeveelution from gen 1
maiden flax
Joltik!
latent sleet
human compatible
sand forge
Give Claydol a mega evolution/gigantamax form you cowards
warm sky
nah see, in gen 10 they're gonna add a new gimmick called extreme forms, so we get claydol extreme
sand forge
Give Skarmory an evolution called "Fucklittlecup"
latent sleet
will it have a glock
placid junco
Finished the team star storyline
obsidian juniper
ok, so pangoro has a basespeed of 58, which seems pretty abysmal
do i invest the stats in have left after atk into bulk (andf if i do, is hp or the two defenses better?) or do i put it into speed regardless?
for reference, ability is mold breaker and nature is naive (which doesnt do anything think?)
warm sky
for reference, ability is mold breaker and nature is naive (which doesnt do anyt...
+spd, - sp.atk
also hp probably
placid junco
Wow Raifort is a boomer
placid junco
All classes done
Now just the various teacher side quests, and a lot of pins to pull
God Penny really is the “I know writers who use subtext, and their all cowards” of trans coded characters isn’t she
warm sky
mighty storm
God Penny really is the “I know writers who use subtext, and their all cowards” ...
Yep, especially in the last battle of her storyline
placid junco
Yup
Clavells battle theme might also be the single worst character unique battle theme in the series also
placid junco
placid junco
Lost my rematch against arven
sharp kernel
placid junco
Larry gave me trouble
And Hassel was easy
Geeta beat me
But because I was greedy
Second attempt I played significantly smarter
pseudo goblet
young magnet
pseudo goblet
Huh, Razor Leaf Decidueye, in this new vs map, OP AF WTH 
First off, I always play Decidueye with spirit shackle, kinda my first time using razor leaf, I clicked the wrong move 
Second, Decidueye’s attack speed and damage combine with this map allowing moves spamming, jfc
pseudo goblet
Show me one with Clodsire, my wallet should be ready any day
mighty storm
with the spikes ^
lyric pollen
had a nice win streak on ranked with a snow team
abomasnow being a real mon, and not just a snow/veil bot in a lot of matchups is so nice
maiden flax
Quiz: what colour is roaring moon officially?
pseudo goblet
Red?
sand forge
Blue, surely
obsidian juniper
Twitter
random stream
sand forge
<@213396782045069313> green
Is this a Green & Blue are the same colour type deal
pseudo goblet
Yeah the dude kinda has that mint-ish blue-green
sand forge
Salamence is blue, Roaring Moon is slightly greener
But I'd still call Roaring Moon blue
pseudo goblet
placid junco
I just got completely demolished by ||Sada’s|| flutter mane
mighty storm
the DLC cant come soon enough, Roaring Beast or whatever this is called is gonna be so cool
bleak pine
This thing might not even exist. It's described in the Scarlet book to be an artist's interperation of what may lurk in Area Zero.
placid junco
I mean
Kalos ghost girl
Don’t forget zygard being added essentially an entire generation early
latent sleet
today i remembered that ash has yet to return to reunite with pidgeot
its been 20 years
mighty storm
This thing might not even exist. It's described in the Scarlet book to be an art...
||it does exist actually, this and the virizion counterpart have been leaked to be in the DLC along with the third legendary||
lyric pollen
||none of the paradox mon exist, I am very pilled on the 3rd legend granting wishes and the time travel being a lie||
sharp kernel
||none of the paradox mon exist, I am very pilled on the 3rd legend granting wis...
I agree with this
it's why none of the paradox pokemon ||have real names||
lyric pollen
there are also some other clues, I cant remember what they are but it makes a lot of sense imo
uncut cradle
I love focus energy + scope lense. Opponent can get up double screens and you just kill em in one hit regardless
pseudo goblet
sleek sky
damn Ash really said he doesn't want kids
pseudo goblet
I doubt Serena will allow that 
pseudo goblet
sharp kernel
Focus energy is cool but like I feel as if we’re trying to get too gimmicky to deal with dondozo tatsugiri
pseudo goblet
Apparently everyone who met me are bugs 
sharp kernel
When it’s not even that oppressive without a pawmot
bleak pine
I really like the idea behind Focus Energy, but it's just not exactly a worthwhile investment when most mons you'd want to use it with also can likely learn Swords Dance which is a flat bonus to attack
bleak pine
...I'm wondering though, how well Focus Energy can do in Tera Raid battles
bleak pine
You're gonna have to fling out a couple attacks anyways, so one of those are bound to nail a pressure point
What I have been noticing is that Cinderace the Unrivaled ended up being a really unbreakable fella on a defense level.
That same strategy of "Just click Belly Drum and then Play Rough" isn't too helpful if Cinderace can keep jacking up its Defense stat
...Now I'm just frightened at the prospect of needing to do a raid battle against anything that knows Cosmic Power.
sharp kernel
I haven’t done a Cinderace raid yet, nor any 7 star raids. I’m legitly stuck trying to get perfect iv’s for my vgc team
bleak pine
They're pretty fun
It's not a slap-fest like Max Raid battles, so you're bound to be in for a busy and frentic time
...alright, so I looked up Cosmic Power
Turns out our resident "dung" beetle can learn it
...But it's an egg move
sharp kernel
He can yeah, but he has much better moves that it’s like why go cosmic power
bleak pine
The other mons that learn it? Arceus and Eternatus.
It's less it being good and more "How can this make a tera raid battle very difficult
Looking now, though, a 7* raid battle against Eternatus would just be nightmarish.
sharp kernel
Rabsca is unironically really fire into gholdengo also
bleak pine
Poison/Dragon type nullifies the whole trend of having your resident water rabbit or roboathlete just belly drum and click an attack move of your choice, and cause it knows Cosmic Power, it can likely use this every time it hits an HP threshold to stall out
...Though, given this is a Tera Raid battle, it would have a Tera Type.
placid junco
||none of the paradox mon exist, I am very pilled on the 3rd legend granting wis...
Tbh I don’t agree with this theory personally
Maybe for the future paradoxes but not the past ones
Idk why I just think it doesn’t really make sense
The paradoxes ||not having real names is mostly just a result of older researchers describing them||
||the third legendary granting wishes I won’t rule out, but I don’t think the paradoxes are the result of it||
maiden flax
||none of the paradox mon exist, I am very pilled on the 3rd legend granting wis...
||my reasoning is more simple
- They have been appearing in the crater since before the time machine
- All of them are described exactly as they are from some sort occult magazine
- Something about the profressors obsession not lining up with their robot counterparts reasoning makes me feel like the professor was being controlled one way or another||
lyric pollen
yeah that second point is what does it for me
||they match the magazine because that is what the professor wanted them to be||
placid junco
I mean
||they do outright say the terastal crystals seemingly enhance technology||
It’s kinda funny how ||for the Sada robot what she’s doing is functionally suicide, while the Turo robot will probably be fine, assuming it’s an actual Time Machine||
silver vigil
lyric pollen
slowbro can't actually be that bad
weavile is also very funny, but also mega weavile is legal so maybe
silver vigil
This is going off current uu usage
lyric pollen
surely slowbro runs the format
placid junco
Probably
lyric pollen
i know it lost scald, but still
sharp kernel
Losing scald hurt a lot of Pokémon
Best widely available water move now is probably wave crash on the physical side, and idk about the special side, but it’s probably hydro pump or muddy water
It was a very good nerf
lyric pollen
water pledge 
sharp kernel
lyric pollen
pledges should be physical or special, depending on what is higher
sharp kernel
It’s funny because Slowking has a very solid niche now with chilling reception
tacit sphinx
My friend just sent me a mashup of the ruin quartet theme and Tunak Tunak Tun
This actually fucks
warm sky
https://twitter.com/samitawsif/status/1609546921705889793?s=46&t=IwaZHmSyYJV5URH...
This sounds like cope if it has no source
ANYBODY can make a false quote
Also a voice actor doesn't get to decide that kinda thing
pseudo goblet
Yeah im just waiting for more news and see how will they play this time
maiden flax
Best widely available water move now is probably wave crash on the physical side...
Surf honestly
pseudo goblet
Anyone got all three gen 9 I can trade with? I’m currently deciding my starters in-game
I picked Spragatito and named it Veggie
Why is this here??? I know this game can be buggy, it’s that I can’t tell if this is intentional or bug
pseudo goblet
Fuck, Veggie got sassy nature… decrease speed…
Please tell me nature mints is here
sharp kernel
Found the perfect slowbro set. Body press, iron defense, trick room, yawn
pseudo goblet
I mean, female Sprigatito being sassy sounds kinda fitting, but still…
bleak pine
Yeah, you can find mints very easily
You should be able to tough it out until you find a few
bleak pine
Yep. Finding them out in the wilds is possible
last musk
Why is this here??? I know this game can be buggy, it’s that I can’t tell if thi...
It's a dev cube
It's what game Devs use to position their building and object placements
snow oasis
sand forge
Why is Great Tusk used so much
mighty storm
Why is this here??? I know this game can be buggy, it’s that I can’t tell if thi...
its a bug with indoor areas
funny thing though, you can change what ball is there
snow oasis
Why is Great Tusk used so much
Role compression similar to Lando-T in previous gens apparently
Can run multiple different sets, has all kinds of support moves
Unfortunately no Intimidate or similar support ability
Though Protosynthesis does give it the ability to run a vicious wallbreaking set
sand forge
Makes sense
crimson moat
Baxcalibur moved to UU
Heh
Lokix moved to UU
Hehe
Also for reminder, Tera goes into voting today
placid junco
Because smogon hates fun they’ll probably ban it
I think Tera is by far the most balanced gimmick
crimson moat
Tera is definitely way more balanced than Dynamax
If the forum for the suspect test were any indication (which it isn't honestly a good indicator of the vote), the most popular pick is not to ban it but to reveal it in team preview, and that it will eventually need to be banned when the pokedex opens up to more big hitters coming back
uncut cradle
I think Tera is fine as long as you would be able to see what tera types opponent's monsters have
crimson moat
Also while scrolling through the forum, found the best meme
that's it, getting me mallet
latent sleet
snow oasis
@sharp vale
crimson moat
UU is just the tier directly below OU
PU is lowest
OU
UU
RU
NU
PU
Oh right ZU exists
placid junco
Isn’t ZU kinda unofficial
crimson moat
I mean Smogon is kinda unofficial
but yes you are right, it kinda just is called ZU without being a smogon supported format
placid junco
ZU is catchier than “no significant usage” though
sand forge
I love how shit Mycelium Might actually is
placid junco
It feels almost bugged in some cases too
crimson moat
At least with Corrosion you don't have to do Long Division to find out the use case
snow oasis
Overused, Underused, Rarely Used, Never used, and Stinky?
@eager sentinel tier
sand forge
It feels almost bugged in some cases too
Insomnia, Magma Armour, Pastel Veil, Immunity etc all cure the status condition they prevent
Mycelium Might straight up just doesn't work
golden lance
SV UU really is just SS OU huh
vagrant steppe
Yeah the powercreep is nuts
uncut cradle
It's nice that all 3 starters are OU
eager sentinel
<@201305129188720641> tier
No u
silver vigil
22/36 OU mons are Gen 9ers
and 1 of the 2 is a gen 8 mon
Dragonite packing heat tho
does Espathra win the award for "mon in the tier for the shortest amount of time ever"
warm sky
does Espathra win the award for "mon in the tier for the shortest amount of time...
Did Espathra drop from OU or get banned from UU?
silver vigil
banned from UU
warm sky
Okay that makes sense
warm sky
outer eagle
Will gen 9's powercreep be strong enough for "With this generation's RU resembling last generation's OU"?
placid junco
Not once new toy syndrome wears off
outer eagle
all we need to do is wait and see ofc
silver vigil
Not once new toy syndrome wears off
My brother in Christ it’s been nearly 2 months
placid junco
Oh right
bleak pine
As much as Dynamax is hotly debated I still enjoy it, primarily because most any mon can use it, compared to Mega Evolution.
I used to love Mega Evolution, but over time I really just realized that it's pretty iffy.
outer eagle
Just give me gen 5 Gems 
Basic, effective, and isn't a one-time gimmick
lucid moth
Will gen 9's powercreep be strong enough for "With this generation's RU resembli...
it wont
some new faces for sure
but its some notable weaknesses of the drops
latent sleet
a fucking goldfish is more used than unstopable juggernauts kek
outer eagle
never knew a literal family of mice was an unstopable juggernaut
latent sleet
they are wanted in 50 different countries
snow oasis
rocky helmet go brrr
latent sleet
maushold after they population bomb a garchomp with rough skin and a rocky helmet
outer eagle
Ferro's return would be "interesting times" for Maushold
snow oasis
Maushold is the archetypal early gen noob trap
outer eagle
it's the zoomer's Cinccino
sand forge
why the fuck is Sandy Shocks seeing play
outer eagle
Hydreigon still remaining an UU superstar i see
lucid moth
i think for ttar
tera fighting and the most popular pkmn usually have frequent fighting coverage means it can no longer survive without being an immediate tera user itself
but it uses tera defensively
so it automatically falls
similar to skeledirge
bax falling also makes sense. its a massive threat but random tera fairy and all the fighting coverage means it can get melted and it cant spam glaive rush easy
too many effective sweepers rn
charizard never deserved to stay in ou neither did orthworm or maushold
ditto too it always falls
lokix same deal
its basically slither wing
also will give gen 9 props
a lot of uu mons still feel playable in ou unless they are directly outclassed
ive seen tinkaton and azu and sandy shocks and slither wing and grafaiai do well in ou
sand forge
Misty, explain Sandy Shocks
sand forge
That's kinda boring
outer eagle
didn't people hype up defensive Tera pre-release
lucid moth
it just hits hard as fuck
defensive tera is broken dont get it twisted
offensive tera is just significantly more
outer eagle
it would appear taking advantage of either an Adaptability boost or an extra STAB is the more important part of the equation
who would've thought
the worst part is a lot of the times offensive Tera also helps defensively cuz the extra STAB also happens to be a counter type
so purely using Tera defensively is such a waste
golden lance
What's the chance of chi yu going to ubers?
lucid moth
high
chi-yu is pretty broken and its most likely that he gets unanimously voted to ubers
outer eagle
isn't Ubers currently only comprised of like 5 mons?
latent sleet
gen 9 has ubers?
golden lance
Yea it's where flutter mane lives
latent sleet
i mean a official ubers list
outer eagle
Ubers is always official
latent sleet
from smogon or something
outer eagle
Its function just changes depending on the time period
latent sleet
flutter mane has like a huge base sp atk right
outer eagle
like pre-gen 5 it wasn't considered an actual ranked tier iirc
135 across SpAtk/SpDef/Spd
latent sleet
pretty good
silver vigil
Flutter Mane is just good stats good stab
latent sleet
dump ev on it and you’re good to go
silver vigil
Palafin has an uberfucked ability
golden lance
Flutter mane is like
silver vigil
Houndstone has Last Respects + Sand Force + some other good moves
golden lance
Pretty explicitely min maxed
latent sleet
zero to hero base stats increase bottom text
outer eagle
hey at least Delibird getting banned meme technically came true
golden lance
latent sleet
was iron bundle actually banned?
outer eagle
yes
latent sleet
kekw
sharp kernel
Defensive tera is very good, it’s just a different approach to the game.
Also Great Tusk is the 2 of 2 Pokémon that gets close combat and headlong rush
latent sleet
levitate with a elec tera type is very useful
sharp kernel
Why is that relevant? Switching into it makes it hard
golden lance
Ngl i'm pretty surprised seeing ting lu with that much play
outer eagle
beefy boy goes hard
latent sleet
huh
outer eagle
i can probably see why
Good defensively, but lacks offensive pressure unlike Ting-Lu, with an arguably worse typing
and 70 Speed is awkward as hell
latent sleet
well yeah he is weak to a lot of stuff
sharp kernel
For starters it has 7 weaknesses as a tanky boy
latent sleet
i can think of 5 of them
outer eagle
grass alone has 5 weaknesses
outer eagle
u-turn bois
sharp kernel
4x to bug isn’t super relevant since bug types this Gen are actually worse than last
outer eagle
you don't really care about actual bug mons
but randomly getting domed by a momentum move is big
sharp kernel
And I’m sure singles isn’t spamming struggle bug in a switch heavy format
outer eagle
especially when a defensive mon's job is often times to be a pivot
in singles at least
and losing to one of the most popular momentum preserving move doesn't help
latent sleet
a hit and run i see
outer eagle
always funny to see mons with gigantic ass Def and SpDef with average at best HP
pretty certain if you take any equal amount of points from those 2 stats and invest them all in HP the mon would come out with greater bulk on both sides
sharp kernel
It’s why cetitan is so good in doubles right now
Gigantic hp
Horrible defenses
But still bulky enough to take a hit
sharp kernel
Along with the fact that he gets awesome coverage for an ice type
mighty storm
and can get rid of his awful defense typing
lyric pollen
Between snow def boost, AV and slush rush it gets a lot of free stats
golden lance
4x to bug isn’t super relevant since bug types this Gen are actually worse than ...
Lokix slander smh
warm sky
I guess Lokix just didn't leave a good first inpret
obsidian juniper
got a sentret from the honedge route
i guess i shoulda went for the audiono/venipede encounter instead
bleak pine
wdym Sentret is good boyo
...I tried looking up Sentret in GIF's but all i got was Furret
Argh
obsidian juniper
i am a big fan of the honedge line tho
and im not particularly lacking in the normal type department
warm sky
https://twitter.com/Sunsnak_Sn/status/1610031472311955456?t=AxyBjVXaJHKAQ655cwJI0Q&s=19 @normal cave
Lomf
obsidian juniper
croagunk
lets gooo, goated pokemon and i finally have something to use against fairies
next route is fucking seviper
placid junco
vagrant steppe
Annihilape Close Combats my Maushold, but I Tera into ghost first
sharp kernel
So this depends on which annihilape builds we’re looking at
Assuming both are the bulk up, drain punch, rage fist builds and not the final gambit one
The best play to make here is protect Maushold and bulk up
T2 the best play is to double protect Maushold and if either of them get the double protect to proc, they win
If it’s bulk up build vs scarf final gambit the bulk up build has a huge advantage
lyric pollen
i hate running into that lead on ladder so much i stg
because sometimes the maus is goggles
and sometimes its sash
crimson moat
Wait for more pokemon to be added, Swap out Maushold for Hisuian Zoroark
Annihilape use Protect
lyric pollen
if the ape final gambits its literally a sigh of relief
thankfully skeledirge is the 🐐 and ignores both
crimson moat
and sometimes its sash
Tech Thief onto Maushold, make their sash your sash.
"What do you mean I can just run my own sash"
bleak pine
I keep thinking about good uses for Thief, but then it just loops to "Then why not just use knock off if that's a thing they can do"
lyric pollen
I think its honestly decent coverage on scizor
but also scizor should basically only be clicking one button
maiden flax
or is it a circumstance thing
Its 100% a circumstance thing, with so little hazard removers that can actually get past gholdengo hatt has become one of the ways to just staight up not get hazard stacked to oblivion
maiden flax
it would appear taking advantage of either an Adaptability boost or an extra STA...
I think you missed how one of the most popular tera users is annihilape who uses tera water mostly for defensive purposes
maiden flax
didn't people hype up defensive Tera pre-release
Also prerelease people were hyping up how same type tera would be the end of ou, how it would make hyper offense too powerful
lucid moth
Its 100% a circumstance thing, with so little hazard removers that can actually ...
i think even with cinderace court change in the meta i assume hatt will remain pretty good
maiden flax
Also some of the most popular tera types are as follows (there are a few others but these are the ones Ill point out):
Annihilape with tera water for purely defensive reasons
Dragonite with tera normal for stab espeed with the addition of not folding to an ice type move
Gargnacl with fairy/steel/water/flying to wall different mons in the meta
Chi-yu with tera grass to let it punch water (and rock/ground types) types with tera blast while also not dying to them or tera dark to hit harder while still dodging that water (and rock/ground) weakness (tera fighting is also used to punch ting-lu and other chi-yus)
Espathra with tera fairy/fighting to hit dark types with either tera blast or dazzling gleam while also dodging dark weakness
Tera flying iron hands, used purely defensively to dodge eqs from like garchomp
Tera flying roaring moon, for stab accrobatics and fighting resist
Some hyped up tera types that werent all that:
Tera ghost dragapult, means dragapult has an actual physical type ghost type move, problem is that due to inflexibility makes certain matches hella awkward
Tera flying dnite for flying tera blast, again inflexibility hurts, and still being weak to ice types also hurts
Tera dark kingambit, thing much prefers something like tera flying to dodge weaknesses
Tera normal scizor, sounds better on paper with quick attack, just inferior in every way to tera steel scizor for that extra bullet punch push (or tera electric if running tera blast)
Tera ground/dragon garchomp, being still weak to ice hurts which is why ghost/steel/water are generally way more common to dodge common weaknesses
maiden flax
i think even with cinderace court change in the meta i assume hatt will remain p...
Note that court change still works with magic bounce
lucid moth
tera grass, fighting, dark, fire all viable on chi=yu
lucid moth
Note that court change still works with magic bounce
ye
maiden flax
Oh right forgot fighting
lucid moth
it also gets around gholdengo
so cinderace being able to safely court change in a lot of mons and has the ability to easily push past gholdengo i can see cinderace being meta
not broken but meta
i also dont think it will be enough to completely invalidate hatt as some ppl i have seen been saying
maiden flax
Yeah cinderace is def meta
maiden flax
tera grass, fighting, dark, fire all viable on chi=yu
Of this the fire one i say is the weakest
lucid moth
hatt + great tusk is a pretty legit core for teams i think
lucid moth
Of this the fire one i say is the weakest
im not the biggest fan of tera fire
but tera fire overheat on specs is damage beyond what is normal
maiden flax
True but most things are going to die without that and those who dont generally would take more from the other teras XD
lucid moth
oh yeah absolutely
doesnt mean i dont see it
its kinda meme
but its like just enough power that its justified
maiden flax
Yeah fair
flat sedge
i think people overstate the prevelance of hazard+gholden and how unbeatable it is etc etc but also at the same time ppl do be spamming it atleast in low-mid ladder because of how everyone loves to just say it
lucid moth
like
for example
u ever wanna ohko a dondozo from full with rocks on chi-yu?
specs tera fire overheat has u covered
even clod gets eaten up
flat sedge
dont forget, you are always one dark pulse flinch away from losing >:D
lucid moth
iirc its guaranteed 2hko after rocks
maiden flax
You wouldnt need the rocks if you had the other teras lol
flat sedge
also how can anyone be mad at gholden
when its free entry for your specs chiyu
like mmm
maiden flax
Yeah lol
lucid moth
this mon is not surviving january in the tier
maiden flax
But yeah chi-yu needs a ban lol, the mons not okay
flat sedge
its fun
normal cave
Fish
maiden flax
I love the lava fish
lucid moth
specs overheat from tera fire can actually let u destroy ting-lu in 2 hits