Are they usually decent at least? Do they just enjoy people’s suffering?
#Pokemon
harsh path
Is it all they know? Is it the best team to play after multiple concussions?
It confuses me
golden lance
@maiden flax what do you think?
harsh path
Sadism?
twin shard
Consistency and liking to play control
It’s good to have a lot of differing play styles
clever saddle
The goal isn’t to win, it’s to make the opponent suffer for as long as possible
mighty storm
vocal torrent
The only "good" stall strategy is if the one with win condition
Which means they don't take too much turn if they can help it
And the stall is just to prevent enemy to stop their win condition, rather than just for the sake of it
maiden flax
And the stall is just to prevent enemy to stop their win condition, rather than ...
This describes stun vs control :v
Control has a win condition
Stun does not :v
mighty storm
pseudo goblet
@waxen moat Real quick and important question, do you prefer the name 神奇宝贝 or 宝可梦 
sharp kernel
All I’m saying is I’m going to be sad once vgc series 1 is over
Actually one of the funnest metas I’ve ever played
waxen moat
<@189578328544378880> Real quick and important question, do you prefer the name ...
God the second one reminds me of Doraemon 
but I kind of prefer the first one
pseudo goblet
I still don’t understand why the Chinese translate team decided to change everything 
maiden flax
I genuinely forgot the name of this little egg
happiny?
me
random stream
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1753406576-dt9jh7phigcpu1davi0te1sfximnbxepw back to top 500, pretty tough match
Baxcalibur did a number here
pseudo goblet
Huh, an all-out offense team and actually won, really panicked when the Zeraora didn’t pick jungler
maiden flax
Huh, an all-out offense team and actually won, really panicked when the Zeraora ...
Do you want me to be a support for you someday lol
maiden flax
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1753406576-dt9jh7phigcpu1davi0te1sfxim...
That crit from the chi yu was painful
random stream
That crit from the chi yu was painful
Yeah I thought I lost from there, managed to claw my way back somehow
I was sub chi yu so I wanted to sub up and then take back momentum
pseudo goblet
Do you want me to be a support for you someday lol
Speaking of support
Not sure if it’s the case but feels kinda embarrassing seeing the support class being the mvp lmao
Then again, it’s the Christmas map, everyone could be bad lol
maiden flax
Speaking of support
Sableye is really good in the event cause knock off is really silly when you rez on the spot lol
pseudo goblet
Oh god 
Yeah I’m kinda want the Xmas Gardevoir skin, rushing through the mission right now
maiden flax
Just keep yourself next to an opponent and shot gun knock off when you rez and you can just straight up steal so much points without having to actually kill them lol
pseudo goblet
Looks pretty 
pseudo goblet
Oh and uh, Gengar I suppose
Shoot… I need to do 42 more matches to get enough points 
Let’s see, a quick match is 5 min, 42 times 5 is 210, that’s… 3 hours and 30 min 
silver vigil
swift jasper
Guess I'll have to watch later
swift jasper
Gastro overtook it
warm sky
damn
pseudo goblet
Let’s see, a quick match is 5 min, 42 times 5 is 210, that’s… 3 hours and 30 min...
Phew, got em, had to cheat a little to minimize the damage, no way I’m using 3 hours for this
flat fractal
amazing
latent sleet
been a while since i played a pokemon fangame
bleak pine
Aaaaa fangames
kind vortex
yeah i've been keeping an eye on coral for a while, nice to see it got an update
kind vortex
rejuvenation should be getting an update at some point
bleak pine
Yeah, a lot of fangames are just edgy messes
latent sleet
oh really
bleak pine
Coral just looks like a right feelgood adventure
bleak pine
It's one such trend I really think has overstayed its welcome; trying to turn the games into 'mature' plotlines
kind vortex
to its credit, rejuv is at least a bit less edgy than pre-19 reborn
it does give you a bad end option if you choose to be an ass tho
kind vortex
It's one such trend I really think has overstayed its welcome; trying to turn th...
depends on how you're defining 'mature'
bleak pine
Grimdark, mainly
kind vortex
grounding the games in more realistic elements? sure
adding a bunch of needless violence and shock factor?
bleak pine
Yeah, the latter
kind vortex
yeah, could do less with that
vagrant steppe
Unbound isn't super edgy either
It's got some issues, but it's really no darker than say Platinum or SV
bleak pine
And really, seems like Colosseum already did a good enough job at the former option
kind vortex
unbound outright removed its edgey elements iirc
latent sleet
colosseum isn’t even thay edgy
kind vortex
it was up there once upon a time
latent sleet
i think being super dark removes the charm of pokemon tbh
bleak pine
Reborn on the other hand really just is a mound of hopeless grimdark bs
latent sleet
or so i heard
bleak pine
And dumb jokes
kind vortex
reborn toned it down in episode 19
like there's stuff still there, but it's not as bad as it was
bleak pine
Was there really any reason to throw a Medicham into a Volcano just to crack a Terminator 2 joke
kind vortex
||iirc that gets explained later in the story, it's been a while since i played tho||
bleak pine
Generally I’m gonna try to stick to the usual faire for games if I get to designing a Fangame
kind vortex
ye, and that's fine
latent sleet
fair enough
bleak pine
Doesn’t feel right to introduce these kinds of themes, even in settings that are a little worse off than canon
kind vortex
if i were to recommend reborn and its variants to people, it'd be for the gameplay challenge, not for its plot or whatever
latent sleet
i sometimes like to play games that looks like the writers were on crack
kind vortex
certainly wouldn't recommend people to make plots like them, esp if they don't like that kind of thing anyway
bleak pine
Eh, yeah. Though, there’s a whole train wreck (hah) of mechanics that complicate a lot of things there
kind vortex
there is a sub 5 hour speedrun of reborn episode 19 iirc, so that's possible, at least
bleak pine
Not to mention you the player almost never can utilize said mechanics, but whoever the gym leader or whatever they are almost always have something set for the express purpose of abusing said mechanics
kind vortex
so at the very least, the game is doable without too much minmaxing
also, i don't think the fields are that impactful most of the time
probably the most relevant ones are like the chess one and the fairy tale one
but that might be just me
latent sleet
fields are an intresting enough of a concept
kind vortex
(i don't recommend balancing your game around fields, though)
bleak pine
There’s one based around gen1 rules
kind vortex
oh right, yeah that one too
bleak pine
And it’s just hell
kind vortex
glitch is definitely impactful
bleak pine
Especially since the Gym Leader I swear made you want to drop kick them out a window each time they spoke
kind vortex
inverse comes up but i don't remember if it's for anything particularly challenging
glitch definitely makes a couple later fights harder
latent sleet
its just that in rejuvenation they like to abuse a lot on unique moves that depend on fields
i spent 2 hours grinding to fight a woman
bleak pine
My main gripe is just that they do like a billion things, meaning you realy got to keep tabs on what happens when this thing occurs
kind vortex
obligatory fuck angie
bleak pine
So really, when I get around to it, if there’s gonna be stuff like this I have to make sure the player has as much right to use the new rules as much as their opponent
kind vortex
Especially since the Gym Leader I swear made you want to drop kick them out a wi...
obligatory fuck terra
bleak pine
Just let the lol random die already
kind vortex
e19 spoilers ||she becomes even more relevant in the newer content||
bleak pine
||welp||
kind vortex
e19 spoilers ||timestamp for what looks like one of the most annoying fights in the game https://youtu.be/-7Wj57VkeEs?t=14240||
||tldw: no fonts with a couple exceptions, fear donphan for the surprise factor||
bleak pine
Another thing I’ve been debating is the whole gimmick thing with each Gen
Stuff like Dynamax, Mega Evolution, Terastalization, etc.
And so far I’m just leaning towards, neither of them having an inclusion
It’s mostly because I just don’t wish to have to stress over it, but also it means I don’t need to go over their relevance to the story and the like
Maybe when I do more writing, I could make an exception, but not now
golden lance
If SMT has teached me anything is that mechanics than can be abused by both the ai and the player goes hard
sacred hatch
I've conquered the Kanto League
last musk
Still not as good as gary
sacred hatch
;-;
void herald
weird how the ground type badge is a feather for some reason
bleak pine
If SMT has teached me anything is that mechanics than can be abused by both the ...
Yeah, as unforgiving as the games can be, they still remain very fair in this aspect
fringe dust
~~Was there really any reason to throw a Medicham into a Volcano just to crack a...
was it as unexpected as this
https://ms.yugipedia.com//e/e2/ScrapFactory-PRIO-EN-C-1E.png
placid junco
Lokix was a huge MVP against Ryme
And Brambleghast at least managed to bullet seed her mimikyu to death
kind vortex
this is apparently the artist responsible for unleashing maushold and tinkaton on the world
placid junco
Honestly good for them
placid junco
They both feel like very pokemoney designs
God I wish brambleghast had good ways to use its ghost stab
I guess Tera blast but still
sharp kernel
It gets shadow sneak
placid junco
Shadow sneak doesn’t really feel like a good use of stab
Even if it’s a solidly strong attacker
pseudo goblet
random stream
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1753936408-gd5frc8xfv7wucmjklb6u295x4i87blpw the cb baxcalibur clutch
top 300 ish now, pretty nice
tacit sphinx
It's one such trend I really think has overstayed its welcome; trying to turn th...
Shout outs to every Mario flash game
maiden flax
Niceee
Aiming for top 10?
snow oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1753936408-gd5frc8xfv7wucmjklb6u295x4i...
my friend, why do you not run best mon Breloom?
he clicks Spore and the entire tier ceases to exist
Gholdengo isn’t real
random stream
Loom is still pretty good my teams just dont fit him
snow oasis
Build a team around him, coward
swift jasper
I started playing a little vgc on showdown
God i saw a thing and copied it
It's so fun
Weak armor armarouge
If it goes well you outspeed and double ko ppl
snow oasis
If it doesn’t?
swift jasper
With expanding force
Well
In theory you have trick room
And you keep moushold with friend guard on board
Arma should live, then you go into torkoal
random stream
Build a team around him, coward
Eventually
swift jasper
Anyway i suck at this, but double ko's are funny
You uturn into your own psy terra armarouge
To trigger weakness policy
And weak armor
warm sky
snow oasis
maiden flax
https://twitter.com/Lewchube/status/1607184820265943042
Two great mons
Mimikyu, Mienshao and pancham are all her apparently
Also hisuian growlite and arcanine
warm sky
Mimikyu, Mienshao and pancham are all her apparently
neat
swift jasper
Then you switch into indeedee and expanding force
obsidian juniper
tacit sphinx
I need some help
How do you evolve Cetoddle?
Mine’s level 42 and still not evolved
warm sky
Mine’s level 42 and still not evolved
Ice stone
tacit sphinx
The fuck is Ice Stone
tacit sphinx
Can you buy it anywhere
pseudo goblet
Wait we have auction in Pokémon now?
Or was it already a thing in past gens
Paldean Hawlucha looks good
tacit sphinx
Bruh the Fairy Starmobile just switched in, set up Misty Terrain, and them immediately removed it with Steel Roller
tacit sphinx
Jesus christ this Beartic is so fucking fast
Bruh it’s not snowing how is Beartic outspeeding my whole team
bruh wdym the pokemon league has a literal infant
placid junco
Yeah
I backed off from the fairy squad last night because I was under leveled
So then I beat rapper lady
latent sleet
you should probably strike the two last team star leaders for later
they are in range of level 45-52 or something
placid junco
Yeah fairy squad is 50ish
mighty storm
I hope Liko gets a Lokix
warm sky
... isn't it riko?
sand forge
okay but read the header
Do you not think I read the header when I took the screenshot, then specifically cropped it to include the header
warm sky
fair enough
placid junco
Maybe making the literal last gym leader ice type wasn’t the smartest idea
last musk
Maybe making the literal last gym leader ice type wasn’t the smartest idea
Are you referring to the gen 4 gym leader?
golden lance
Shout outs to Wulfric
last musk
Ah of course, the final gym leader is volkner in gen 4
Why did you leave grusha for last?
placid junco
Because he’s the last gym leader
Sure it would have been more fun doing Ryme last
But level wise he’s last
Now there’s just the dragon Titan, and the fairy and fighting star squads
vagrant steppe
Yeah Grusha is last in the right order
placid junco
Yeah
placid junco
Damnit
I missed a shiny somewhere
maiden flax
Wait, Ryme isn't the ice type leader
Its also a pun on rhyme lol
sand forge
Its also a pun on rhyme lol
It's apparently a wordplay on "Lime"
That... ghost-like fruit we all know
maiden flax
Rhyme cause she is a rapper
sand forge
Rhyme cause she is a rapper
You could've made her an ice rapper tho
golden lance
Huh
Apparently SV still has the "are you a boy or a girl" question at the beginning of the game depending on your language
tacit sphinx
i found a wugtrio
pseudo goblet
Wait a minute
tacit sphinx
how did this happen twice in the same cave
pseudo goblet
That place is cursed 
Who knows, ||next it might be you ||
||as in the character ofc||
bleak pine
please rescue Deino, she can't see where she's going
mighty storm
did you know eeveelutions swim
pseudo goblet
Wait even Flareon?
mighty storm
mighty storm
Wait even Flareon?
all but flareon
pseudo goblet
Ah okay
pseudo goblet
Avalugg is finally back to where it belongs lol
Omg I just saw…was it called Ghouldengo?? Anyway, golden surf boy surfing on water, I want em now 
Also I did heard how good it is
maiden flax
Also I did heard how good it is
Most used pokemon in both doubles and singles
A feat very few have ever achieved
kind vortex
i think cinderace might have come close in the immediate aftermath of it getting libero
but not a lot of options existed at that point
tacit sphinx
Damn it apparently I am now massively overlevelled for the last gym
bleak pine
You can always branch out and use new friends for a challenge!
Found myself swapping out mons with a lot of frequency playing the game
placid junco
Yeah I have a ton of Pokémon in rotation
tacit sphinx
Nah, I need to level people up for fights with Cassiopeia and Arden and whatever
placid junco
All the Pokémon in my team rotation are: Skeledirge, Clodsire, flamigo, Tinkaton, klawf, lokix, espartha, revavroom, scovillain, toedscruel, farigiraf, maybe great tusk and maybe Rabsca
tacit sphinx
I was underlevelled for the Team Star Fighting place
bleak pine
Arden
Don't call him slow!
placid junco
It’s specifically his mabosstif
tacit sphinx
he was completely useless
placid junco
Also all his Pokémon are level 58+ and I was in low 50s
bleak pine
Yeah, Arven is very experienced, in spite of what you'd usually expect of him. I had to get on the defensive a few times, but I came through.
Also, I just, really love Arven. Easily favorite character.
placid junco
Arven’s Mabosstif basically has every answer is needs
bleak pine
To his credit, he brings mons that would have a easy time against a titan in question
tacit sphinx
I just realised
bleak pine
Nah, mabostiff doesn't have those abilities.
tacit sphinx
There has been no Rock person yet
placid junco
Nvm
tacit sphinx
There’s always a Rock specialist
placid junco
Titan Klawf is the rock boss
bleak pine
It's capable of having Intimidate, Stakeout as a hidden ability, and a new one, Guard Dog
Guard Dog is pretty cool
It increases Mabostiff's attack stat if it's intimidated, and prevents moves from swapping it out, like Whirlwind or Dragon Tail
tacit sphinx
Anyway my current team is Meowscarade, Cetitan, Gholdengo, Farigiraf, Garganacl, and Revavroom
placid junco
Iirc dragon is the only type to not have a boss fight in the main story
bleak pine
Not exactly useful, but it's a cool ability and just makes Mabostiff one of the goodest boi if it's willing to no-sell moves that would make it go away
placid junco
Not counting Tatsugiri
bleak pine
Nice stuff Raz~
placid junco
Which I don’t because that’s only a third of the whole fight
bleak pine
Glad you're liking Farigiraf
placid junco
The only set in stone team members I have are Skeledirge, Klawf, and Clodsire
bleak pine
CRAB
Klawf is funny.
I just love how it's just a rocky crab and it's literally got Shell Smash as an ability
Better than even Berserk is as an ability
placid junco
Klawf has been very middling in the late game
But I am committed to taking her all the way
bleak pine
Got around to teaching Klawf the Crabhammer yet?
Could be super helpful against ground-types!
placid junco
That’s egg move only
bleak pine
Yeah! But you can pass it without needing to do breeding, even more easily than before
All you need is a mon that knows the move and a specific item. No same-species needed
tacit sphinx
Damn this is the last time I get to hear the absolute bop that is the Gym theme
bleak pine
It does slap
I never got this hyped to win something ever since Black/White's Battle themes against Gym Leaders
placid junco
Grusha was a stark reminder of why ice type gym leaders are inexplicably never earlier than the 7th gym
tacit sphinx
Because Ice sucks?
placid junco
Candice, Pryce, brycen, and wulfric are all the 7th or 8th leaders
By the time you encounter them they become total pushovers
bleak pine
They had to put up with ice-types having glass bones and paper skin, so they're gonna fight like hell to give you a battle to remember.
tacit sphinx
Why’s this woman got live butterflies in her dress tho
bleak pine
And yeah, it is super weird how gym leaders specializing in ice-types are like that.
placid junco
I swept most of Grusha with scovillain and Klawf
bleak pine
I get that they usually live in cold areas, and that those places usually are way up north, but come on
tacit sphinx
God this theme gets ruined so hard by the chanting
bleak pine
Ice is a bit of a paradox: It sucks, and it's just amazing at the same time
placid junco
I don’t mind the chanting, but i kinda wish it was only in the first loop of that part of the song
bleak pine
Thankfully Scarlet/Violet had it so that Snow can increase a Ice-types defense stat.
Suddenly Cloyster and Avalugg just become gigachads on defense
placid junco
Cloyster has been used more offensively for a decade at this point
bleak pine
Funnily enough, the best mon for making snow work isn't even an ice-type
placid junco
Skill link + shell smash is a menace
bleak pine
It's friggin' Slowking
It learns Chilly Reception which is... well, just gonna throw this here
The user tells a chillingly bad joke before switching places with a party Pokémon in waiting. This summons a snowstorm lasting five turns.
bleak pine
So, remember Teleport? And Clefable?
Those days are back
placid junco
I’m more found of Mr Villain under sun though
bleak pine
Spicy Pepper boyo is nice
placid junco
Even if running literally anything other than torkoal and paradox pokemon on sun teams is just kneecapping yourself
tacit sphinx
No
placid junco
Not mega y
bleak pine
Solar Power is still Solar Power
placid junco
It’s literally the only kanto starter in the game
tacit sphinx
Shut the fuck up
bleak pine
Yeah, there was an event for it
placid junco
again
bleak pine
I joined with Yoz to fight it
tacit sphinx
I fucking hate Charizard
bleak pine
Event was pretty nice all things considered.
placid junco
Mood
bleak pine
Eh. I'm indifferent about it myself.
bleak pine
It's reputation is rightfully deserved, but I can understand why people would be tired of it by this point
tacit sphinx
Like give Meganium an event since it was the cover mon for New Pokemon Snap
No?
Could we not do that?
placid junco
That would require GF to acknowledge meganium
bleak pine
Will agree that Meganium is adorable.
bleak pine
You can even tell that the writers for the anime were somewhat confused, as were some devs
Chikorita usually has vines it uses
placid junco
Trailblaze meganium doesn’t sound terrible honestly
bleak pine
It's can't learn Vine Whip
tacit sphinx
Charizard is admittedly on the rise but Meganium is extremely versatile in gen 2
Dual screens and Swords Dance
bleak pine
Seriously, Chikorita, a mon that uses vines in it's attack animations, can't learn vine whip
Or even Power Whip, to my knowledge
placid junco
Damn Flamigo is an absolute powerhouse for how early in the game you can get one
bleak pine
Flamigo is horrifying
placid junco
BST 500 for something you can get before hitting the school
tacit sphinx
You know what my favourite dumb Pokemon fact is
bleak pine
Imagine walking by a pond and this pink karate-flamingo starts chasing you, all the while flapping its wings and hissing
placid junco
Imagine walking by a pond and this pink karate-flamingo starts chasing you, all ...
This is just the average Canadian goose
bleak pine
This is just the average Canadian goose
Calling it, by gen 12 we'll have a regional Flamigo
placid junco
Although outside of like
Close combat, Flamigo gets nothing to use with its fighting stab
tacit sphinx
You know what I’m surprised isn’t in SV
bleak pine
But ultimately it's not too noteworthy compared to Scappy
tacit sphinx
Sigilyph
bleak pine
Ohh, yeah
tacit sphinx
I know it’s based on Latin American history rather than Spanish but they got Hawlucha so
placid junco
I guess Rabsca kinda takes it’s place
bleak pine
You find all those ruins and stuff dotted across Paldea but nothing to suggest there were guardians that protected such sites
All that's usually hanging around are a few ghost-types, and Tinkatink
placid junco
That’s because Don Quixote defeated them all
tacit sphinx
OKAY REAL TALK
bleak pine
yes
placid junco
Because tauros
bleak pine
Ole!
bleak pine
What?
placid junco
Also regional forms are weirdly just
Barely a thing in SV
bleak pine
Oh
tacit sphinx
La Mancha
placid junco
You have tauros, and arguably the lookalikes
bleak pine
Yeah, it's weird how they made a big deal out of Wooper.
...And Wooper literally is the only one with Tauros
placid junco
Toedscruel is neat
placid junco
Mycelium might was worth it
bleak pine
Hmm... I'd say you could likely be in a good spot to wrap up Victory Road first.
Just my guess, though. Just follow your heart!
tacit sphinx
Is it a hot take to say all the towns suck btw
bleak pine
Meh, not really
placid junco
I’m probably gonna do Cassiopeia, E4, and then Arven’s mommy issues
bleak pine
I will openly admit they are somewhat lacking, with some exceptions
Personally am super hyped to take on Cinderace when that starts up
tacit sphinx
why’s this dude so smug
bleak pine
He just had a super tasty sandwich
pseudo goblet
He knows your IP address
mighty storm
GX theme plays in background
tacit sphinx
I am now stuck in a battle I am very underlevelled for because I wanted to finish the classes before the E4
placid junco
I didn’t expect Tatsugiri to have actual stats
maiden flax
Which I don’t because that’s only a third of the whole fight
I think its supposed to be cause there are 18 types and 18 battles
maiden flax
I didn’t expect Tatsugiri to have actual stats
130 sp atk go brrr
bleak pine
It says it's a weak dragon, but the thing has stats of the same level as Dondozo, the thing that's supposed to protect Tatsugiri
placid junco
Even if it’s more of a water fight
tacit sphinx
Does Grass resist Steel
placid junco
No
bleak pine
I also love how Tatsugiri's formes refer to the ways sushi are prepared
You got ones with their tails in the air, tails drooping down, and one that's just planking.
maiden flax
Some people theorise that the capital of paldea used to be on the area when the crater is but something happened which created the crater
tacit sphinx
i deadass just got frozen are you kidding
placid junco
Isn’t the crater supposed to be like
Ancient
maiden flax
Yes
tacit sphinx
I can count on like two hands how often I’ve been frozen
maiden flax
They are suggesting the capital was also ancient
maiden flax
Clive is a menace :p
placid junco
Clice’s pompadour is just too powerful
maiden flax
I remember when rt kept dying to his quaquaval
placid junco
Gonna do my grinding more tomorrow
Prepping for the fighting squad
tacit sphinx
This will sound dumb but I have never terastalised
I’m making it a personal challenge
maiden flax
This will sound dumb but I have never terastalised
Sameee
placid junco
Legit I’ve both loved and hated how difficult figuring out a team has been
mighty storm
fun fact about the titan battles
Arven's pokemon arent shiny locked
Impossible shiny
tacit sphinx
wot the fuck
How the fuck did I do this
I just walked at the door
aw sweet an uncompromising white void
mighty storm
dont walk towards it
pseudo goblet
Raz is a ghost type
pseudo goblet
how did this happen twice in the same cave
Further proving Raz is a ghost type, she can saw the spirit of dead pokemons
tacit sphinx
the elite four has so far consisted entirely of types i am not equipped to handle
excellent
I have three fainted Pokemon and two Revives
The fuck Larry is back??
maiden flax
The fuck Larry is back??
He's the best
tacit sphinx
Alright, no clue who to lead with for Hassel
I’m trying to run through all the types to see what hasn’t shown up yet
Unless he’s the Rock user I’ve been expecting for half the game
Oh he’s Dragon
vocal torrent
tacit sphinx
The squad
Ended up going to a 1v1, Frida vs Glimmora
I was very underlevelled
Also that Kingambit was ruthless
warm sky
snow oasis
:gnash:
warm sky
Ok gen 2 fan
swift jasper
I think Gen 5 sprites aren’t great
Banned
snow oasis
I agree with Raz
Although that’s in large part bc of my personal inability to deal with constantly moving things
swift jasper
I can't ban griff 😔
snow oasis
swift jasper
Don't tempt me to !griff3
swift jasper
Boat is stinky in forums
novel canopyBOT
I'm the better bot!
frail chasm
live image of my brain doing random crap in s/v instead of IV training
random stream
Agent azumarill is pretty nice right now in OU @snow oasis
warm sky
Agent?
random stream
ah just a fun little inside joke thing when talking about mons
pseudo goblet
Agent azumarill is pretty nice right now in OU <@168417951454724096>
Or you could call Azumarill Agent 184
tacit sphinx
Okay so
Don’t spoil me if it’s true but
I seriously think that Nurse Miriam is actually Iono
Or Miriam is her mum
idk why but they look really similar to me
sand forge
I agree with Raz
I'd prefer gen 5 sprites to the 3d models
pseudo goblet
tacit sphinx
I don’t like Gen 5 sprites because of all the motion tweening.
tacit sphinx
Dragon Tamers: “Clearly, you don’t own an air fryer”
snow oasis
I'd prefer gen 5 sprites to the 3d models
I like the gen 3-4 sprites best
warm sky
Yeah it's emma
snow oasis
@random stream I lost my Kadabra that I had trained up from lv6 to 38 to a crit Sludge from Koga’s Muk after Psychic just barely failed to ohko 
swift jasper
random stream
snow oasis
First pokemon I’d lost since before reaching Celadon
current team going into Cinnabar gym is Blastoise, Snorlax, Slowbro, Sandslash, Jolteon, and Aerodactyl
random stream
That looks good
snow oasis
I’ve got Gyarados and Lapras in the box but I find using them too boring so I’ve shelved them for now
FRLG are easy enough without using all the I win buttons it gives you
tacit sphinx
Genuinely struggling to find Stakes
snow oasis
Castlevania thread is over there
tacit sphinx
Castlevania thread is over there
you mean spooks’ dms?
snow oasis
you’re not allowed to be funnier than me
tacit sphinx
you’re not allowed to be funnier than me
griff, if this were really a rule, you’d have to ban 80% of the server
snow oasis
you’re not allowed to be funnier than me
_ _
tacit sphinx
Okay
Someone sent me a spoiler free map for the Stakes
It divides it into regions
sharp kernel
Genuinely *struggling* to find Stakes
Have you tried humanely killing a cow and slicing the meat inside?
tacit sphinx
vibing
harsh path
Holy shit they groovin’
tacit sphinx
be honest, did you guys look up the ominous stakes
last musk
Absolutely there's like 32 of them
sharp kernel
What do the stakes do btw
swift jasper
If you collect all in an area, you get to fight a legendary
It's locked otherwise
Basically regi style quest to unlock them
mighty storm
What do the stakes do btw
Ruinous Quaret
you collect all of one type and it breaks their seal, allowing you to catch one
sharp kernel
oh, goes to show how much i care about the ruinous pokemon
sharp kernel
I'm just going to Kilowattrell tailwind into a quak sweep
nice dark typing there
would be a shame if I just get a free moxie boost off you
Best comp team I've come up with so far btw
last musk
Fish is cool but feels more mythical than legendary
placid junco
https://twitter.com/absolutelypm/status/1607403564581912577?s=46&t=h1uK1yZHju6lg...
YES YES EMMA
MY FAVORITE XY CHARACTER
snow oasis
Blastoise can’t learn Thunder
warm sky
Duh
snow oasis
Ninetales can’t learn Solarbeam
snow oasis
Duh
I already have Blastoise and Slowbro I don’t wanna have to raise up a Starmie just for Rain Dance-Thunder shenanigans
warm sky
I already have Blastoise and Slowbro I don’t wanna have to raise up a Starmie ju...
I mean I wish Blastoise wasn't so meh too since he's my fav starter and #3 mon of all time
But it do be like that
last musk
Me whenever politoad and kabutops aren't available in a pokemon game 
snow oasis
Blastoise isn’t meh imo, just overshadowed by Kanto’s 1985027592958924 god tier waters
random stream
What do you need rain dance thunder for? it's kinda niche esp for frlg
snow oasis
Slowbro, Lapras, Starmie, and Vaporeon are all cracked as shit
snow oasis
What do you need rain dance thunder for? it's kinda niche esp for frlg
funni
sharp kernel
so I'm hearing enamorus is going to be the defacto best force of nature once we get it
warm sky
Well there we go
warm sky
nice repost
warm sky
https://twitter.com/pokemon_gw/status/1607313129972838401?s=46&t=iCVDDsLpSdQkY57...
oh wait zane only posted top 3
vagrant steppe
I'm surprised Meowscarada was as high as he is
sand forge
Am I right in reading that Iron Valiant is the only future Paradox
bleak pine
Tinkaton pretty much is just the best
mighty storm
Ya know what animal we need as a pokemon? A mountain chicken
sand forge
Froakie & Politoed not good enough for you?
golden lance
Ya know what animal we need as a pokemon? A mountain chicken
And why exactly do we need that?
silver vigil
Am I right in reading that Iron Valiant is the only future Paradox
Miraidon
sand forge
mighty storm
And why exactly do we need that?
more frog pokemon ❤️
golden lance
Don't we have 8 of those already?
golden lance
Ngl i kinda want an angler fish that's not lanturn
Or a hammershark
Or an orca
Or a colossal squid
placid junco
komala is perfect just the way it is
warm sky
Or an orca
kyogre
sharp kernel
We already have a good water ghost type, it’s called Basculegion-Male
kind hedge
mighty storm
We already have a good water ghost type, it’s called Basculegion-Male
ok but hear me out, we make it's claw a ghost claw. No physical body claw, just a spirit
and we give it an ability like sand rush
sharp kernel
Too many crabs to the point that I’m itchy
How’s about we just give Kingler another evolution ala Primeape
Make it Water/Dragon
mighty storm
why dragon?
mighty storm
pseudo goblet
oh wait zane only posted top 3
I mean kinda, the link in that post do lead to the same thing
Also
bleak pine
That actually would be a cool sort of Regional Forme for Kingler
Crab claw got way too big even for a Kingler, so it just vanished into an immaterial pincer
golden lance
Clawitzer is literally right there
sand forge
Fuck Clawitzer
sharp kernel
Clawitzer looks like a POS!
placid junco
Yeah that’s because it’s version exclusive counterpart is cooler in very way
Dragalgae best
kind hedge
mighty storm
I forgot who on twitter made it, but I saw an ice fan versison of tinkaton
that is a lot nicer then it's corviknight bullying paldean sibling
tacit sphinx
poputon
bleak pine
Nice~
snow oasis
I have battled my way through a genuinely terrifying Kanto Victory Road (because of my ruleset only, Kanto still piss easy lmao)
Now we get to do THE GRIND
flat sedge
some bax
lyric pollen
I was sleeping on these tauros'
the water one especially is pretty well positioned in vgc rn
maiden flax
ow
flat sedge
back to aaa my home
maiden flax
im glad i managed to get it in 30 games
outer eagle
80% winrate is quite a benchmark
random stream
@maiden flax currently trying for reqs myself, at the tail end of the run now
maiden flax
80% winrate is quite a benchmark <:cheems:683182129668292685>
80% gxe*
placid junco
bleak pine
D'aw
late urchin
tacit sphinx
https://twitter.com/sa17_71/status/1608037048862257152?s=61&t=2w17mWldSlHUm7NPtP...
how is she sitting down when she can't even bend her legs while walking
bleak pine
Very carefully
placid junco
All prepped to take pm the final squad
Then I’ll be doing Cassiopeia, the champion assessment, and then area zero
snow oasis
@random stream should I go for Hydro Pump or Surf on my Starmie?
HP is obviously much stronger but its accuracy is only like 6%
and the difference in power may be negligible in practice since I’ve got Mystic Water anyways
random stream
Surf
swift jasper
Early gens surf is better
Later gens starmie needs the punch competitive wise
Especially since surf was nerfed
snow oasis
They nurfed Serf?
swift jasper
Yeah gen 6 nerfed a lot of stuff
Iirc all the elemental good moves got nerfs
Stuff like blizzard too
120 -> 110
outer eagle
And that Aura Sphere was made almost unviable by getting nerfed from 90 to 80, an even bigger nerf for a weaker move compared to stuffs like Flamethrower
Generally the trend was 95 -> 90, 120 -> 110, and 140 -> 130
outer eagle
arguably the most significant nerf was Hidden Power is now always capped at 60, whereas pre-gen 6 it maxed out at 70
swift jasper
https://tenor.com/view/but-why-wtf-wth-gif-18627417
Generally speaking, due to power creep, offensive stats kept getting up, so changing the base power of those moves was a way to reduce power without rearranging ridiculous amounts of base stats
Is how i see it
Then again, gen 6 gave us mega rayquaza
outer eagle
which is ironic considering Megas was a major step up in powercreep
or gimmicks in general
swift jasper
Yep
They basically said "we're making tearlaments, but we're nerfing fusions to keep them in line"
"wdym tear 0"
outer eagle
Miraidon is currently more broken than Mega-Ray in NatDex format btw
swift jasper
Probably
snow oasis
Generally speaking, due to power creep, offensive stats kept getting up, so chan...
Yeah but it’s like most nerfs of that sort
It weakens older things more than newer stuff when you take away tools that everyone uses
outer eagle
well yeah. That's the point.
They wanna push new stuffs
So weaken the universal mechanics of old stuffs
snow oasis
Yeah but this isn’t a game like YGO where the cards have been printed already
They could directly nerf new mons by changing their stats
or things like the Gale Wings nerf in gen 6
outer eagle
Generally for nostalgia mons idt you wanna do blatant direct BST nerfs
Cuz that upsets the nostalgia players
The only mons i remember getting nerfed over new gens are new mons like Talonflame and Zacian that immediately get nerfed the next gen
lucid moth
Yeah but it’s like most nerfs of that sort
it was done to keep the powercreep a bit in check
silver vigil
Aegislash
lucid moth
it ensured these moves didnt hit particular ko thresholds
outer eagle
Even Aegis was pretty new (gen 6), altho it did survive 1 gen without nerf
swift jasper
or things like the Gale Wings nerf in gen 6
Wasn't that gen 7
lucid moth
gale wings was nerfed in gen 7
snow oasis
Wasn’t it nerfed at the start of ORAS
snow oasis
Generally for nostalgia mons idt you wanna do blatant direct BST nerfs
Right, but nostalgia mons aren’t generally the ones that need nerfs
lucid moth
only gengar got a nerf of the classic 151?
snow oasis
Yea
outer eagle
idk things like the Rotom forms, the Latis twin in general were pretty good even tho they were around for a while
snow oasis
Competitive wasn’t really a thing back then I don’t think
lucid moth
it was but not really refined
outer eagle
speaking of the Lati twin
lucid moth
also i dont count gen 2 cus by all means
outer eagle
Soul Dew turned from an S-rank item to a D-rank
snow oasis
Unless you count gen 2 nerfs
What nerfs were there in gen 2 anyways?
lucid moth
every gen has ppl nostalgic for it
silver vigil
Special stat distribution
swift jasper
Special split
snow oasis
That’s not really a nerf so much as “fixing a blatantly broken aspect of the game” imo
swift jasper
So a lot of mons got a nerfed spatk or spdef
snow oasis
Like yeah some mons were nerfed BECAUSE of it
silver vigil
It affected some mons very disproportionately
snow oasis
but like. they had to split Special
silver vigil
So I’d say it’s fair to call them nerfs
swift jasper
Also crits were speed dependant, so it nerfed stuff like jolteon
outer eagle
Special governing both offense and defense never made sense tbw
silver vigil
I’m not saying it was a good mechanic
snow oasis
which is why they changed it
swift jasper
Also amnesia went from the best stat changer to very meh
snow oasis
I think there’s a difference between a deliberate and an indirect nerf
silver vigil
I mean stuff like uhhh
snow oasis
And Gen 2’s changes were all indirect nerfs
swift jasper
I think there’s a difference between a deliberate and an indirect nerf
They did decide on the numbers
silver vigil
Chansey very deliberately getting very low spatk, whereas some physical attackers got a huge spdef boost
swift jasper
I'd call it direct
snow oasis
with the arguable exception of Steel and Dark being deliberate Psychic nerfs
silver vigil
These were deliberate changes
swift jasper
Yeah I'm with gooey on this
snow oasis
Yes but they had to be made, and plenty of mons were buffed too
snow oasis
Like they couldn’t just give every gen 1 mon the identical spatk and spdef they had in gen 1
There had to be changes, I don’t think they deliberately set out to nerf or buff specific mons so much as enacting blanket changes from gen 1 to gen 2
Maybe a few deliberate nerfs like Mewtwo and Tauros tbf
silver vigil
So they are nerfs in some cases, buffs in others, whereas some mons went functionally unchanged
snow oasis
But on the whole I think most gen 2 changes were relatively arbitrary
silver vigil
Which is what we already established
snow oasis
I’m not disagreeing that they happened, I’ve said from the start that I don’t think most were deliberate
Like take idk Farfetch’d, I’m sure they just pulled its gen 2 spatk and spdef stats out of a hat essentially
swift jasper
Deliberate in terms of competitive or just "we put this stat on this cause it makes more sense chansey isn't a special sweeper"?
Cause I'd consider both deliberate
snow oasis
More the second yeah, which I don’t think is like
Targeted
More of a “we fucked this entire mechanic up”
swift jasper
Well i think that's where the perspective difference lies
I think gooey considers both deliberate too
Correct me if I'm wrong
lucid moth
i think they kinda threw darts on the wall for 80% of spdef/spatk stat diffs
lucid moth
some of them felt like they made some sense
but others not so much
this only applies to gen 1 mons
swift jasper
Ic, i just don't agree with that, i think they put some thought into most
snow oasis
They were fixing an entire mechanic and while a few mons surely got specific changes for specific reasons, most were probably “yeah idk 85 spdef sounds fine”
snow oasis
this only applies to gen 1 mons
Ye just discussing gen 2 changes in general
lucid moth
yes to an extent
snow oasis
Arcanine should not suck so bad for having a 560 BST and Intimidate
silver vigil
Well yeah
snow oasis
Arcanine is like NU in singles right?
lucid moth
the second incineroar got intimidate it deleted arcanine
snow oasis
Yeah, but tbf doubles weren’t the main competitive system when Arcanine got Intimidate (iirc)
silver vigil
No iirc
But they’d still account for these things with older mons when deciding to put them into newer regions/giving them new moves and such/now dexit
snow oasis
but yeah if Arcanine was say a gen 5 mon it would probably have like 130 attack and 80 spatk instead of 110/100
snow oasis
with me or goo
lucid moth
i think arcanine would have better phys def
snow oasis
to go with intimidate?
silver vigil
Pokemon is very capable of still giving mons fucking awful stat spreads
Just look at gen 7 mons
lucid moth
yes
snow oasis
i disagree
anyways
lucid moth
gen 7 also had some insane powercreep
snow oasis
yeah, the main difference is that generally there is a significantly higher proportion of mons in more modern gens that have specifically competitively tailored stat distributions
silver vigil
That I agree with
outer eagle
min maxed stats have been around ever since gen 5
outer eagle
remember all the Swords of Justice having 108 Speed
lucid moth
and ability distribution
baxcalibur is a good example
it gets glaive rush which is the best physical dragon move
and an ability to stop burns
outer eagle
why even go so far. Koraidon's ability is just a buffed up version of Groudon's.
lucid moth
cus koraidon is something most of the playerbase that plays comp wont run into in a lot of cases
dondozo with unaware
is another one on the other end of the spectrum
silver vigil
Dondozo is very silly
silver vigil
They’ve been gradually more and more mons signatures since like, gen 7
lucid moth
gholdengo's stat distribution is pretty optimized but not that much
silver vigil
It’s just more prominent every succeeding gen
lucid moth
instead what makes gholdengo so successful is the moves it gets and the ability
swift jasper
Moushold has 2 signatures
lucid moth
same case for a ton of newer pokemon
swift jasper
They're really ramping it up
snow oasis
anyways grinding is finally done, here’s my team for LG E4
Movesets and items:
Thunderbolt/Thunder Wave/Double Kick/Bite @ Blackglasses
Return/Yawn/Brick Break/Shadow Ball @ Quick Claw
Fly/Ancientpower/Steel Wing/Double-Edge @ Leftovers
Earthquake/Slash/Brick Break/Rock Slide @ Leftovers
Surf/Thunder/Psychic/Rain Dance @ Mystic Water
Surf/Ice Beam/Rain Dance/Bite @ Mystic Water
snow oasis
They’ve been gradually more and more mons signatures since like, gen 7
Yeah I’ve noticed this as well
Feels like every third mon in gen 9 has a signature ability, move, or both
silver vigil
instead what makes gholdengo so successful is the moves it gets and the ability
This is a good thing tbh
lucid moth
i disagree
snow oasis
was it like this in older gens and I can’t remember or is it a new thing that everything gets its own special thing
lucid moth
cus this doesnt mean that they dont also have stupid abilities or stat distributions alongside them
ex: the 4 mythicals
snow oasis
well that’s the frequency thing cropping up
lucid moth
chien pao and chi-yu have near perfect movepools, stats, and abilities
silver vigil
I’m not saying it stops powercreep at all
lucid moth
i personally think it makes it worse cus it really tunnels in what pokemon will be good and which wont
outer eagle
Movesets and items:
Thunderbolt/Thunder Wave/Double Kick/Bite @ Blackglasses
Ret...
Now i remember just how strapped for coverage my Jolteon was in my FR nuzlocke
snow oasis
if 25% of modern mons have unique abilities or moves, even if 75% of them suck that’s still a good number that will end up cracked
snow oasis
Now i remember just how strapped for coverage my Jolteon was in my FR nuzlocke
Jolteon is there to do one specific thing and do it efficiently
and to its credit it does it well
lucid moth
it also just deleted alternate options
if its done well, the pokemon themselves will be forgettable
unless it fills a particular niche
silver vigil
I think this is another only balancing for VGC thing
Where stuff like paradoxes and the legends aren’t legal for now
snow oasis
if its done well, the pokemon themselves will be forgettable
Wym Houndstone is definitely a powerful and relevant mon in its own right and won’t be forgotten as soon as something else gets Last Respects and the move itself gets banned
silver vigil
Tbf with houndstone specifically, it’s not a signature
outer eagle
Basculegion 
silver vigil
But it’s still kinda sad how these mons don’t have a lot else going for them
snow oasis
tbf that hasn’t been confirmed yet, but yeah
all signatures are just waiting for wider distribution anyways
outer eagle
Basculegion having Adaptability and Ghost typing will let it see comp use either way
Houndstone is just sad
lucid moth
Wym Houndstone is definitely a powerful and relevant mon in its own right and wo...
houndstone was broken for a multitude of reasons besides last respects too actually
from a singles perspective
snow oasis
Are there any former signature moves/abilities from before gen 5 that are still unique to one mon/line? That aren’t cases where the mon itself is a gimmick like Shedinja or Smeargle?
lucid moth
the defensive sand set was gaining way more traction towards the time before its ban
lucid moth
cus houndstone actually has a really good movepool and typing
outer eagle
is still unique to it iirc
silver vigil
The gen 4/5 box legend signatures
lucid moth
and the abilities it gets are both super good
silver vigil
Well
lucid moth
houndstone didnt just get banned cus it was a broken sand sweeper
silver vigil
Ig the gen 5 ones technically aren’t signatures
lucid moth
we have had a million of those
sure it was very very good
but it had more than one trick
outer eagle
i remember Victini sharing the signature moves of Zekrom/Reshiram
so idt those count
snow oasis
Fair but legendaries are their own case usually
silver vigil
A lot of the remaining ones got deleted in gen 8 iirc
snow oasis
Are there any former signatures from non-legends that have retained their uniqueness?
silver vigil
Like kinesis
outer eagle
uhhh
volcanion's signature is still unique i think
altho who gives a shit about Volcanion anyways
silver vigil
That’s 6
snow oasis
Volcanion is a legend, and also from gen 6 yeah
lucid moth
it also got 2 new signature moves now
snow oasis
But like, things like Muddy Water or uhh
snow oasis
Needle Arm
lucid moth
as an additional signature move
silver vigil
I think volcarona is still the only fiery dance mon
snow oasis
Based moth
silver vigil
Volcarona really only gets Ws huh
Just never ask it about its evolution level
Also I think I figured out why gen 5 has the fucking stupid evo levels
snow oasis
because fuck gen 5?
lucid moth
iron moth gets fiery dance
silver vigil
Since you don’t technically become the champ until the second time you beat the e4
lucid moth
it used to be entirely exclusive to volcarona
but ig iron moth is technically just volcarona pt 2
outer eagle
always funny that Larvesta is a physical attacker with Hustle meanwhile Volc is a Special gigamoth
silver vigil
iron moth gets fiery dance
I’d treat this like how kyurem forms get fusion flare and such
It basically doesn’t count
snow oasis
Since you don’t technically become the champ until the second time you beat the ...
I mean it’s not a bad Watsonian explanation, but also this is really shit QoL
outer eagle
this man really wanna watch the world burn
silver vigil
Koraidon is still in the past so fuck him he hasn’t learned to shed tail yet