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sharp kernel
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Seems like a huge oversight

spice rivet
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I attribute that too how not great the menus in SV are

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they feel p sluggish to misinputs happen

bleak pine
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You think for a Fangame, throwing a bunch of lines into a sort of text dump could provide creativity for writing?

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Cause I feel like it could

spice rivet
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Kinda depends on context, like it can be a bit of a slog if its too much

bleak pine
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Ah, gotcha

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Yeah, wanted to make like a Fangame in I guess RPGmaker for Pokémon.

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It’s been something I wanted to do for awhile, but I’m still unsure I have what it takes

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All I really want out of it is to tell a story that will keep players drawn in, be enjoyable for casual and experienced players… and really, just be much better than Reborn was

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So far I got a general idea of what I want to put forward, so I guess a good first step would just be writing a sort of script

pseudo goblet
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I don’t see why not make yourself full lmao

spice rivet
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At the very least, Reborn is a super easy bar to clear.

bleak pine
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No fooling

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Prides itself on trying to be mature, intriguing and whatnot

spice rivet
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But the number one piece of advice im always told is to just do it, try it and see how it comes to you and how you feel

bleak pine
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And then they throw Medicham into a volcano just to have material for a Terminator 2 joke

golden lance
bleak pine
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Aw, thanks Yoz

spice rivet
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Throw everything on a Word Doc and start envisioning where things go, and then sequence it, add/subtract as needed

bleak pine
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Hard part so far would be making it relatable to what most people playing fan games would like but also remaining true to the source material

spice rivet
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Eventually you can get someone to help edit/poke holes or ask about things and repeat\

bleak pine
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Basically, ideal like would be like Colosseum/XD levels of maturity

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Ah gotcha

golden lance
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Ngl, i had another fangame idea unrelated to my first project, but idk if i could pull it off on a tecnical level

bleak pine
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Same, but hopefully I’m capable of learning

golden lance
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Since that, because of plot reasons, the game forces you to use a monotype team

bleak pine
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Heard RPGmaker had some essentials pack that makes it easier to make these kinds of fa games

golden lance
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So i want to have 8 separate encounter tables depending on the type you pick at the beginning

bleak pine
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Ooh

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Sounds nice

golden lance
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Yea

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plot may or may not be 1:1 kamen rider ryuki tho

pseudo goblet
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Tis the fate of night crawlers, everyone is sleeping while you re enjoying the night 😔

bleak pine
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Truth be told I might be borrowing a few from Yu-Gi-Oh 5D’s for mine

golden lance
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Ooh

pseudo goblet
golden lance
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Interesting

golden lance
bleak pine
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Very modernized setting with only a few natural areas, a lot of intrigue going on, the world is actually a pretty dangerous place, etc

pseudo goblet
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Or celebi

bleak pine
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But even such a world can be rife with hope

spice rivet
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Wolfey back at 2nd

bleak pine
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But dude

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Blaziken as some shout-out to Junk Warrior

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That would be a sick sort of fakemon regional forme

spice rivet
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Pyroar evolution thats a Chimera

golden lance
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So yea, basically, there's a battle royale sort of gimmick going on, all of the major competitors use the "physical leaning types" (aka the gen 3 physiscal types) and the protag gets to use a special leaning type, while getting a eeveelution as a starter, the type you choose to use cannot be changed for the rest of the story

bleak pine
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Yeee

spice rivet
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Still mad at GF for that one

bleak pine
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Eevee as a starter is always a cool thing to do

golden lance
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It's like xd where you can evolve it instantly after the tutorial

bleak pine
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XD did right letting this be a thing and giving everyone the same thing, but deciding what you wish to have later

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I actually might do just that too, alongside the usual starter

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There will be a pretty good reason for such plot wise

golden lance
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Yea, except that here you're forced to make a decision early on due to plot reasons

bleak pine
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Ah, hmm!

golden lance
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Also, every other competitor, save for 1, ranges from morally ambiguous to outright psychotic

bleak pine
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Oh my

golden lance
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Altho, i'm not sure how much i want to lean into this

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Since the "inspiration" is a battle to the death

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And the fact that it pulled it off really well and i'm not so sure if i could do the same

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That and the fact that it's pokemon, can't be too alienating

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And the fact that "being too edgy" is for some reason an absurdly easy pitfall to fall into for a pokemon fangame

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And the fact that unlike a 50 episode show, i may not have as much screentime to flesh out everyone

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So yea

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Honestly might just put this one on the backburner for the time being until i finish my first project, but i should probably just stop rambling now, mb

maiden flax
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Some time later sure

pseudo goblet
pseudo goblet
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First of, didn’t know the yo-yo are literally attached to this evo

Second, Cute meguface meguface meguface

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Also just noticed tomorrow is the weekend and the time limit for me to decide Scarlet or Violet are running short

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Panic

pseudo goblet
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@bleak pine @waxen moat @warm sky @vocal torrent

vocal torrent
maiden flax
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Solo'd my charizard raid

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@bleak pine so if you need help ill be using my solo build espathra

latent sleet
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used the bread dog for the raid?

pseudo goblet
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Wait Sprigatito final evo and Cinderace had similar feet??? 😨

warm sky
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No fucking way

pseudo goblet
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This is the point where I’m gonna start dive deep into TCG, isn’t it

twin shard
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I love how pachirisu’s Korean name is patjui, which can be translated as red bean mouse

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Unless he nicknamed them and didn’t nickname some of them ToadallyConcerned

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Since gardevoir’s name is just guardian

warm sky
pseudo goblet
warm sky
pseudo goblet
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I NEED IT monkaGIGA

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Not gonna line, Pawmi line has grown on me

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Not sure about the middle one

warm sky
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I despise the line

polar osprey
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The charizard raid is such a letdown damn

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He doesn't cleanse himself like 6 star raids do so you just put him on perma -6 in everything and it's as easy as a 5 star raid

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Wtf

bleak pine
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Still having no luck getting on a raid against Charizard... sigh.

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I'm starting to think the raids aren't even guaranteed, this is a new set of places to do such things in and none of them are Charizard.

maiden flax
maiden flax
bleak pine
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Nope

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No such black crystal dens in sight

maiden flax
bleak pine
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Yep, I'm online

maiden flax
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ooo

twin shard
bleak pine
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But I see nothing of the sort on the map. Plenty of event raids though, just nothing that could be Charizard

maiden flax
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weird

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have you already done your one?

bleak pine
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Nope

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I have not done such a thing yet and I'm having the worst luck searching for others doing such raids to find a group

maiden flax
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weird

warm sky
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And her trusty Garchomp too

maiden flax
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fun fact: garganacl, despite being a defensive rock type, has managed to be OU in both singles and doubles

crimson moat
maiden flax
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wait does maushold also get it? XD

twin shard
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Oh right tandemaus is pretty good

crimson moat
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Maushold gets the entire vgc pachi set except nuzzle

bleak pine
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There's no news that something is up, so I'm assuming I have really bad luck to not even find such a den in the first place

crimson moat
bleak pine
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Not like Nuzzle really does that much damage in the first place, so it's reasonable enough

twin shard
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I guess it depends now if friend guard or volt absorb are better for support

crimson moat
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Well the big differences are that Nuzzle can't be prevented by Taunt and Nuzzle is 100 accuracy

twin shard
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You probably won’t run follow me technician Maushold

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And the berry ability seems decent

crimson moat
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I'd say Friend guard

twin shard
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Or follow me on this one: you run both on your team and trip over yourself AWAAAAAA

crimson moat
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For what Maushold can run for support:
Follow Me
Helping Hand
Super Fang
Encore
Protect
Rain Dance
Sunny Day
T Wave
Taunt
Switcheroo

latent sleet
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also did wolfey get any progress with his team

crimson moat
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Yeah the mouse family worship the weather gods

latent sleet
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got bored of watching him and dipped out of the stream

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wait they can run weather stuff?

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why the rats specifically

crimson moat
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who knows

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Maybe they are actually a cult idk

latent sleet
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cult of rrats

crimson moat
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Also I took a quick look at the end of Wolfey's stream to see how he did to answer that question

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He made Master Ball Tier, but W/L was 28 wins, 12 losses

latent sleet
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eh could be worse

twin shard
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He probably can make #1 eventually

bleak pine
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On the bright side it seems the event raids that aren't Charizard still give good rewards

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Florges is pretty easy to take on assuming you can exploit it's lack of mixed options.

latent sleet
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guess level 7 raid bosses give more rewards

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or rarer ones

bleak pine
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Nah, it's more that I can't friggin' find the raids for Charizard

latent sleet
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ah

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good luck finding fire lizard

crimson moat
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Also just looking quickly through comments, another Dondozo strat popped up in his stream

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Instead of using Toxic Orb to KO Tatsugiri, someone was using a Perish Song team

latent sleet
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a bit risky

bleak pine
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...Also holy crap I actually ended up completing the Paldean 'dex

latent sleet
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im halway-ish through

bleak pine
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And I got...

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||...A Beast Ball. What.||

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||Guess I gotta visit Jacq for the real reward||

latent sleet
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yep

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god i need more herbs

bleak pine
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||I really gotta wonder why they keep giving us these things when there isn't any sort of Ultra Beast to even use this with.||

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||The whole 'low capture rate' description just implies that there's really nothing effective to use this with.||

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||Was like this in Sword/Shield too, given how the few Ultra Beasts you can encounter were a part of Max Raid Battles, so you were guaranteed to nail a capture anyways||

latent sleet
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||i kinda miss max raids now||

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gonna figure out some goodra strats

bleak pine
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Sp. Def all the way

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Super durable sort of slimy friendo

mighty storm
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Get your wooper profile pic now

latent sleet
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wait its actually a girl

twin shard
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POOPER

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We know what the right icon to choose is

warm sky
placid junco
latent sleet
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i wonder who clive is

placid junco
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Just a normal excessively handsome student

warm sky
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Isn't it obvious?

The masked royal obviously!

mighty storm
placid junco
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No it’s clearly Arven’s Mabosstiff

crimson moat
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it's jigglypuff seen from above

bleak pine
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Alright, do 6* raid dens look different on the map?

kind vortex
bleak pine
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Ah. Well, I'm out of luck cause nothing on the map looks like such a thing

kind vortex
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still haven't unlocked them, been busy the last couple days and still working on building some mons

bleak pine
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Even after the news that dangerous raid dens are sprouting up I'm not seeing any

kind vortex
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you need to be sufficiently far in the post game

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and done at least ten 5* raids

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the first alert you get is for 5* raids

bleak pine
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Ah.

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...I guess I gotta get busy

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I don't think i did enough 5* ones then

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Might as well hit up the portal and see if anyone needs help

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I'll report back once I see something different

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Also wow, 5* raids give so much good rewards

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All this XP candy is gonna be nice to have

sharp kernel
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The Maushold follow me set is oppressive rn, because there’s not enough damage out there, especially in the lead role in doubles, so it can actually take a hit or 2

bleak pine
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Maushold be like: "Go home and be a family man!"

sharp kernel
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After watching Wolfey yesterday, I’m convinced half the ranked ladder is memeing

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So I need to get my team ready asap

bleak pine
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Personally don't do VGC myself

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Just like bringing out the best of mons

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And I don't mind letting others borrow mine either

sharp kernel
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I think that’s why I prefer vgc over singles tbh, you can bring out a specific Pokémon you love that’s not necessarily meta, if you build around it

bleak pine
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Same here. I just don't really like the whole tier setups a lot of other places have

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Nothing against them, really. Just not a fan.

latent sleet
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watching wolfey im seeing everyone using murkrow

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which is funny

bleak pine
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Ok, Grimmsnarl

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Really friggin good in raid battles

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The deal on having a whole mess of utility moves and Spirit Break means most mons that just rely on special attacks can't do much back

obsidian juniper
bleak pine
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Easily the favorite of mine from scarlet/violet

sharp kernel
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God Wolfey loves throwing when he’s 1 win away from rank 1

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“I had so many things to worry about turn 1, that’s why I didn’t final gambit the grimmsnarl” meanwhile the grimmsnarl is the only thing that can fuck him

flat sedge
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wdym this is a ground type

spice rivet
bleak pine
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Oh, most certainly!

spice rivet
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*Zard Raids

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Spelling hard

bleak pine
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I'm free for now!

sharp kernel
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It’s really amazing to me how much he’s misplayed so badly with the best final gambit pokemon we’ve ever gotten

spice rivet
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And kk gimme a few and Ill get ready for ya!

bleak pine
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I'll bring my Grimmsnarl for the event!

spice rivet
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Kk, sounds good.

sharp kernel
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Here we go again, 1 win away from rank 1

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Time to see how he throws this this time

twin shard
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How long has he streamed this for?

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Because he’s probably doing it for content and YouTube

sharp kernel
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He streamed around 45-50 matches last night and around 6-7 today

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Yeah he’s fucked

twin shard
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Eh this way he can say he had trouble getting to rank 1

sharp kernel
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Tbf, idt his team is real

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I think there’s good thoughts in it

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But idt the combination works

sleek sky
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He's had multiple wins at Rank 2 and without getting 1

latent sleet
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just got the information that raid charizard uses ||Fire Blast, Hurricane, Dragon Pulse and Focus Blast||

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gonna mark it as a spoiler if you want to go blind

sleek sky
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raid spoilers
||it also knows more than four moves; I remember off the top of my head Overheat||

golden lance
spice rivet
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All special no Steel moves

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Overheat, Fire Blast, Tera Blast, Sunny Day, Hurricane, D Pulse, Focus Miss

bleak pine
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It actually begins the battle with Overheat

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We just saw that poor Corviknight get immolated

spice rivet
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And it immediately removes the debuff to

bleak pine
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Yeah, a lot of these 7* raids might need some strategy to overcome, though not to the absurd degree Sword/Shield max raids usually had

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Grimmsnarl and Yoz's bread doggo were pretty great there

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Some other mons like Florges, Azumaril and ||Iron Valiant|| are also top picks.

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Though, ||You might be in some trouble if Charizard actually lands a hit with Hurricane against robogallade||

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I actually had Misty Terrain ready just in case, but it turned out we didn't exactly need it when 3/4ths of our raiding party was a fairy type

latent sleet
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was gonna try to use gardevoir with reflect/light screen

bleak pine
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Light Screen is super helpful

latent sleet
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shes also fire tera type which can help nyaruhodo

sharp kernel
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There’s the Wolfey throw. Man had tera grass Tatsugiri specifically for amoongus, and man thinks it’s a good idea not to tera

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Got to love it

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Wow his opponent forfeited

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He got it

bleak pine
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Part of me is wondering how well I can make Charizard work in sunlight team sets

sharp kernel
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Rank 1 has been got

bleak pine
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Only other mon that has Solar Power is, well, Sunflora.

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Oh right, Tropius has it too

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...Man, Tropius was just weirdl

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I remember seeing this grassy brontosaurus.

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And I felt like I lost my mind when I realized this thing can fly

bleak pine
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...I really need to have HOME connectivity soon. My boxes are already almost all filled up

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Alright, seems I've done enough raids to get the prompt for 6* ones

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Alright, seems that's all it takes: Doing a bunch of post-game stuff and then raiding a whole bunch

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I got a feeling these kinds of raids are the ones you can actually get mons with hidden abilities from, so I'm gonna have to keep an eye out for them

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Other thing I'm noticing is that most mons with mixed movesets are way harder to challenge than ones who just stick to either physical or special attacks

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Says a whole bunch when a Slowbro is a lot harder an opponent than a Garchomp

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And somewhere Ducky is cheering

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Speaking of Slowbro, I ought to get around to training one up.

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And maybe Slowking too

latent sleet
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do auto battles give you ev?

maiden flax
latent sleet
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fuck

bleak pine
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Auto battles are nice for getting materials, but yeah, doing them manually is much better in the long run.

kind vortex
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auto battles are fine if you value the speed and the fact you don't get evs from them

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not getting evs is good since you can have your mon do it without needing to worry about screwing up your setup, assuming you haven't finished ev training them

latent sleet
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now that you’re saying that

bleak pine
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I'm gonna be rolling in nuggets by the time this event ends

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For reals

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oooooh boy a 6* Ditto

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And it's a Dragon type too, ooh

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...Annnd the host just has a Magikarp as their mon

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Nope

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Also jeezy creezy, this Charizard is friggin' fast.

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I can't even get the screen for moves up before it launches an overheat

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Curious to see if Mud-Slap would be pretty good in some raid battles.

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It's an attack move that always reduces accuracy, so it bypasses the shields they throw up. A few reductions means they might struggle to even land a hit in most cases.

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Of course, it is a very weaksauce move, and there's barely anything that can make it hurt, so it's very subjective

placid junco
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iirc

kind vortex
kind vortex
placid junco
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ah

kind vortex
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so what should happen is, ditto transforms into host mon, then the other three just bring shit to wail on it

bleak pine
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Wait, really?

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Huh, I didn't know that

sharp kernel
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Man Arven is legitly the best character we’ve had in a Pokémon game

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Maybe ever

bleak pine
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Agreed

latent sleet
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i thought he was gonna be normal jerk character

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but man i was wrong

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this man is the best thing gamefreak did in years

placid junco
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the writing in this game is honestly great

spice rivet
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Roast my VGC team. Ill write up something of a "report" on it later on

crimson moat
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Looking forward on the writeup, but my first question since I don't know calcs that well for this format, how significant is Safety Goggles on Armor?

spice rivet
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Uhh... I didnt notice tbh

crimson moat
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I'll let the writeup help me understand, but my biggest concern is lack of flying coverage down to just Rock Slide. I feel like Flamigo is a problem, as is possibly Annihilape.

jovial cape
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does anyone have a non-NA region ditto they could trade me in SV, please?

spice rivet
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The idea of this team is to be able to consistently beat Dondozo teams, hard trick room Torkoal and be decent going into Rain and most general strats. Team takes it rather slow but I value the consistency and ability to force opponents into akward gamestates with Sleep and my speed control. Most of the EVs spreads were either taken from other teams or are generalist builds. Definitely entirely happy with the build but it shows some promise. If I can plug a few holes and make some more tweaks I think I'd be satisfied. Breaking down the team:

Ttar w/ Life Orb Tera Rock - One of our main hitters that can also make reads and set up using DDance. Our primary Flying coverage with Rock Slide and Crunch hits things like Farigiraf. Often time leading Ttar Armarouge is a solid lead to put pressure on the opponent.

Armarouge w/ Goggles (Need to fix) Tera Grass - One of the stars of the show. Being able to T1 Tera into Grass while being immune to Spore feels excellent all the while you can either go for TR to help us outspeed the opponent or either hit the opponent hard with Spread/Solo targeting moves.

Amoonguss w/ Wiki Tera Dark - The demon of TR itself, even outside of TR being able to tabk and cause mons to Sleep feels great. Pollen Puff can also help keep its partner healthy. Dark also helps dodge Psychic moves and stay in the game.

Volcarona w/ Choice Scarf Tera Fire - The ability to nuke the opponent's stuff or set up a tailwind that isnt reliant on Prankster. It doesnt outspeed Max speed Scarfed Annihilape so thats something I have to tinker with.

Murkrow w/ Covert Cloak Tera Dark - Tailwind setter and Hazer for Dondozo strats. Additionally the ability to Taunt is helpful vs opposing Amoonguss or TR setters.

Gastrodon w/ Leftovers Tera Water - Here to finish off the Fire Water Grass core the team kinda has. Bulky slug boi

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@crimson moat

latent sleet
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thinking of bringing Hydreigon to comp

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any ideas on the moveset?

bleak pine
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Assault Vest is what I got so far

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Just giving it Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, Earth Power and Tera Beam.

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And the piece du resistonce, having it be Electric Type as its tera type

jovial cape
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if you save your game after eating a sandwich, will the effects be retained if you reset?

bleak pine
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Unsure, hmm

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You can probably give it another move other than Earth Power but that's what I got so far

latent sleet
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i guess my tyranitar kinda covers ground types with earthquake

vagrant steppe
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Wow the Geeta fight is just embarrassing

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Hassel was harder than her

sleek sky
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It's pretty clear they intended Nemona to be the capstone of that route

kind vortex
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ye, but if you're gonna brand someone as the 'top champion', at least put more effort into their team

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at the very least, give the comp a bit of cohesion

vagrant steppe
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I still think at the very least she should have lead with Glimmora and finished with Kingambit

kind vortex
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glimmora woudl have mad ea much better lead, or at least not the ace mon if they must

vagrant steppe
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Also, the fact that 4/5 of her mons are weak to Skeledirge is EMBARRASSING

kind vortex
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4 of the mons in my party right now have a fairy weakness lmao

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i won't hold that one against her necessarily

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but just put some more thought into the team itself

vagrant steppe
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Kingambit makes a much cooler ace than glimmora

kind vortex
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like you said, glimmora lead, kingambit ace would have made a lot more sense

vagrant steppe
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Imo she should have lead with Glimmora and then used stuff like killowattrel and lycanroc to roar/whirlwind you to taking toxic damage

sharp kernel
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Whoops

sharp kernel
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Idk about saving

kind vortex
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resetting the game removes your sandwich powers

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saving on its own doesn't

vagrant steppe
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I like how Nemona complements you on a crit from Flower Trick lmao

sharp kernel
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Also, glimmora is a better Pokémon than kingambit, kingambit only looks aesthetically more like an ace

vagrant steppe
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Kingambit also has a more fitting "final boss" ability

kind vortex
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the issue with those two specifically is how they're used in the fight

vagrant steppe
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Supreme Overlord when the rest of the team is dead

kind vortex
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glimmora is a pretty underwhelming ace, despite its high sp atk

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but has plenty of things going for it to make it a neat lead

vagrant steppe
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The big stat boost from Supreme Overlord would have been spooky

kind vortex
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and having an opponent actually take full advantage of supreme overlord would have been neat as well

crimson moat
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Make Geeta's ace Kingambit and then change Giacomo to rock type

vagrant steppe
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Okay yeah I might actually wipe to Nemona tho

crimson moat
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The only reason they even use Rock for Geeta is that it's the only type not used by the gyms, elite 4, or team star

vagrant steppe
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She's like 3 levels higher than everything but my Quaqaval

sharp kernel
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Sure, but that’s more of an issue of the base games not actually representing a comp environment. If that glimmora was an Assault Vest Glimmora with flying tera, now you got a beast of an ace

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As opposed to an expert belt kingambit which is prob its best item

vagrant steppe
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I might they really should have given her team hold items

kind vortex
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they don't typically do held items for the first run of an elite four/champion iirc

crimson moat
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Just make Giacomo a throwaway psuedo gym leader for rock and free up Geeta for Dark/Kingambit

kind vortex
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would have made things a bit more interesting, though

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i think only a few trainers in the game actually use held items, and they're mainly randoms

vagrant steppe
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Yeah there's like all of 3-4

crimson moat
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It's not like it matters for Giacomo's team anyways, the car is the only thing relevant on the in-game team

vagrant steppe
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And 2 of them are just berries

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Okay yeah I'm down to my last mon, this fight is way better

sharp kernel
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I think the biggest oversight in terms of difficulty was

  1. Flamigo being so readily available
  2. The starters being too good for the first time in a while
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I boxed my starter at the beginning of my run and had a hell of an uphill climb

kind vortex
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flamigo was a backbreaker, yeah

vagrant steppe
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Skeledirge is fucking nuts, yeah

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I think the biggest oversight in difficulty tho is the lack of scaling

kind vortex
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mentioned it pretty much at the start, that thing being available as early as it was was a mistake

sharp kernel
#

Even then though, there’s gyms that kicked my ass completely. iono and tulip come to mind

vagrant steppe
#

I feel like Iono was really the only gym that had any real challenge to it tbh

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The way the gyms used Tera was embarrassing

kind vortex
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iono was probably my favorite overall gym fight, yeah

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i like larry just a little more as a character but iono's fight was better

vagrant steppe
#

The Nemona fight felt good. My team got swept other than starter and I finished it with a Tera

vagrant steppe
#

Getting stab on the facade can kill a mon

latent sleet
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i was overleveled when i fought larry so it wasn’t hard

kind vortex
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third favorite was probably ryme, because the main story needs more doubles and hers wasn't awful

timid oracle
#

Larry is such a relatable guy

vagrant steppe
#

Rhyme deserved better

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Can't believe they didn't give her Houndstone last respects

sharp kernel
#

Polish this same concept a bit more, tighten up the list of available Pokémon early just a bit more (grass and bug gyms were jokes due to the available Pokémon), give us a similar 3 path concept, and write more characters like Arven and Gen 10 might be universally loved

crimson moat
#

The 3 paths line works well

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Arven in general seems to be the clear highlight. Team Star is kinda like the standard of what a villain team should be at this point, if even they should flesh it out more.

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The gym storyline is kinda just

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there

sharp kernel
#

Probably one of the best things they did, it didn’t feel homogenous like “well finished 1 gym now on to the next one”, it was more of let me see what I got available to do on the map

vagrant steppe
#

Yeah having the path stuff is kinda cool

sharp kernel
#

And let me go try it

crimson moat
#

The biggest problem with 3 paths is that they don't have any progression flow other than the one they want you to do

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despite hiding levels on certain bosses to begin with

kind hedge
#

Anyone want to help me name my team?

sharp kernel
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For what it’s worth, who the hell knew the titans would be the most important thing to do

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We’re so used to the gyms or the villain team being that

kind hedge
#

What should I name my fuecoco

latent sleet
#

i just saw that roost is 5 PP now

sharp kernel
#

All recovery moves are

latent sleet
#

this hurts my Corviknight build

crimson moat
sharp kernel
#

The new stall is substitute, protect on your leftover Pokémon

latent sleet
#

aka dondozo

crimson moat
#

But yeah the other thing they need to improve are gyms

vagrant steppe
latent sleet
#

they are very predictable

vagrant steppe
#

Like there's a correct order to do the game in

#

It's just not told to you

crimson moat
#

The leaders? The only bad part is that they used Tera type in probably the most boring way possible

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The gyms themselves? Hit or miss, and usually very miss

vagrant steppe
#

Yeah I wish they had Teraed off type

sharp kernel
#

Gyms as a concept feels outdated, but idk what you could replace it with

vagrant steppe
#

All the gym puzzles sucked

#

I miss actual gym puzzles and gym trainers

crimson moat
#

The Iono gym challenge is funny and that's about it

vagrant steppe
#

There's really a laughable amount of required trainer battles and most are stupid easy

crimson moat
#

The first gym's puzzle is literally broken

sharp kernel
#

What would be cool though is if they gave you an option to do a singles storyline or a doubles storyline

vagrant steppe
#

The grass gym puzzles runs at 2 fps

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The first gym outright doesn't work

sharp kernel
#

Man imagine if they gave you an option of picking doubles starters

vagrant steppe
#

The psychic gym is... Bad

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The ice gym is worse

crimson moat
#

The first gym's puzzle can softlock
It can fly you out of the area
And at most stable, is boring af

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SwSh had this problem too

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Quite frankly Raihan's gym just being a gauntlet of different weather battles actually stood out in that set

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SwSh's gym challenges were also mostly crap

vagrant steppe
#

What I don't get is that all the gym buildings are huge

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I think a big change to gyms that would be good was strategy over type

crimson moat
#

Change them over to Pokemon Stadium system tbh

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thematic teams to fight

timid oracle
#

why they did it in SM and USUM was rather fun

crimson moat
#

ie. Stargazer Colosseum style from Battle Rev

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Even most of SM's weren't that great. They never have but gens 8 and 9 specifically had awful gyms

sharp kernel
#

SM’s we’re silly

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That’s why they’re memorable

crimson moat
#

SM had photobomb hiker

sharp kernel
#

But yeah, still bad

crimson moat
#

No gen had a set that was good start to finish unless you treated ones in earlier gens as "yeah this platforming puzzle is the standard"

bleak pine
#

Maaaan, Spirit Break is just super good in raids

crimson moat
#

To which then BW2 was the best set

#

BW2 is the best set of gyms simply from visual and having unique OST

timid oracle
#

even gen1 had some bad ones

bleak pine
#

Honestly, the idea of making outright sequels to certain games is already very cool

crimson moat
#

Gen 1 definitely had bad ones

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Surge's gym

bleak pine
#

The idea of just taking a game and just doing some touch-ups has worn out its welcome

timid oracle
#

I especially hate how much BS Lt. Surge's puzzle was

bleak pine
#

We saw what happened with Platinum, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, and of course, Brilliant Diamond/Sparkling Pearl

latent sleet
#

oh hydreigon can learn stealth rock

#

don’t mind if i do

bleak pine
#

Yeah, it's not the best mon for utility but the option is nice.

polar osprey
#

Isn't bw2 one of the worst performing mainline series games in terms of sales? I think only emerald and crystal are behind it

#

we are never getting sequel games again

bleak pine
#

Nah, Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon was

crimson moat
#

Yeah cuz it released a year after the next console

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BW2 released on the DS a full year after the 3DS came out

polar osprey
bleak pine
#

The combination of releasing when the Switch was brand new, on top of there just being literally Sun/Moon, but with a slightly different storyline was the kicker

#

...Really?

#

Wow

crimson moat
#

SwSh would have been the next BW2 if they kept it on 3DS instead of trying to jump gun to the switch

timid oracle
#

BW1 and BW2 are some of my favourite Pokemon games alongside with HGSS and XY

crimson moat
#

And the worst part? It worked and sold incredibly well on switch\

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They hastily jumped consoles and got rewarded for it

timid oracle
#

they always do

bleak pine
#

In any case, third versions as history has shown don't exactly catch the eye all that much at market

timid oracle
#

Pokemon sells really well no matter what

bleak pine
#

Happened with Crystal, happened with Emerald, and so on and so forth

crimson moat
#

Pokemon sells regardless of quality and the biggest markets are the latest console and nostalgiagrabbing

crimson moat
#

BW2 had a lot of legit improvement over BW1 but they dragged their asses getting to that point

bleak pine
#

Yeaaa Nanu

crimson moat
#

They learned this and decided not to repeat it for SwSh when they finally caught up to the fact that the switch was selling well

polar osprey
#

looking at the raw numbers gen 5 is the worst performing generation for investors so we are probably never getting anything like that again

crimson moat
#

Which is depressing

polar osprey
#

releasing dogshit on schedule brings in more money

bleak pine
#

A lot of it boiled down to how drastically different it was.

timid oracle
#

then they were in so hurry to release SV that there are bugs and glitches

bleak pine
#

If you played Red/Blue, and then played Black/White, it definitely would have felt like a drastically different game

timid oracle
#

come think of it they releases BDSP, PLA and SV all this year

bleak pine
#

Problem with the series, and as much as I love S/V, is basically put, they literally cannot slow down

crimson moat
#

Like part of the reason SwSh was in such a haphazard state on release was that they were developing it for the 3DS because the higher ups at Pokemon Company believed the Switch wouldn't do well

bleak pine
#

Delaying such a big game would also mean delaying many, many other things.

polar osprey
#

for example

bleak pine
#

Including such media like the Animated series, TCG, Merch, and many other things

polar osprey
#

XY sold more than RSE even

#

and that game is like

#

not good

crimson moat
#

Yeah now we are at a point where the anime is dragging its legs too

bleak pine
#

XY was good. Or at least, it was a practical haven for many who were into battling

crimson moat
#

Journeys has been mostly Vrains-tier production and is the first generation of pokemon anime to not line up with the games

bleak pine
#

From a story standpoint it would have stuck out like a sore thumb compared to Black/White's focus on storytelling

timid oracle
#

I found XY to be enjoyable ride and Megas were cool

crimson moat
#

I haven't bothered to watch any of it, but heard word that Project Mew just aired and that was a waste of time too

bleak pine
#

Being the series leap for their mainline games to full 3D was pretty impressive as well

polar osprey
#

It didn't try anything different tho

bleak pine
#

...Eh, not too big a fan of Mega Evolution myself but I'm not gonna go into detail on that

polar osprey
#

besides gen 1 XY are the most vanilla out of all games

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and that works

#

people like that better

crimson moat
#

Which is sad

#

True, but sad

timid oracle
#

if it works don't break it did work for them for some time

crimson moat
#

I mean it still is

bleak pine
#

Main takeaway is, stuff is complicated over at The Pokémon Company's doors.

timid oracle
#

well yeah casuals and hardcore fans eat it up no matter what

pseudo goblet
#

Speaking of gen 1, how everyone feel for LGPE

crimson moat
#

The 3 paths is an improvement but any other series wouldn't be worshipping the change

bleak pine
#

I find Let's Go to be very enjoyable personally

polar osprey
#

SV sold 10 million copies in 3 days and set a new record for nintendo

#

it will probably surpass the 5th gen by itself in the next few weeks

crimson moat
#

LGPE didn't get backlash on account that they announced SwSh at the same time, and made it clear LGPE was intended for Go crowds

timid oracle
#

I haven't played Let's Go

crimson moat
#

And then SwSh came out and didn't improve much of anything besides accessibility

timid oracle
#

if I did I would go with Eevee since I adore Eevee

pseudo goblet
#

I miss my Eevee sadcat

crimson moat
#

I had a roommate who bought LGPE and put it down in 30 minutes because he realized how much more enjoyable actual Pokemon Go was

polar osprey
#

LGPE was solid

#

It did what it was supposed to do

crimson moat
#

LPGE was stable\

polar osprey
#

gen 1 remake with good enough graphics

pseudo goblet
#

Dragging a Vanilla Pikachu throughout the whole Ultra sun still left a bad taste for me…

crimson moat
#

Stable

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Not solid

#

It was boring af to a lot

pseudo goblet
crimson moat
#

It did its job and got the Go community to buy a game and then quickly go back to what they liked more

polar osprey
#

It was mean more so for kids

#

even more than the main series games

timid oracle
#

image of Eevee was face of franchise instead of Pikachu

crimson moat
#

It was meant for hyper casual

polar osprey
#

eevee would already have 20 evolutions by now then

#

maybe more

crimson moat
#

XD gale of darkness did the Eevee thing before it was cool

timid oracle
#

now we have what, 7?

crimson moat
#

8

timid oracle
#

ah right

polar osprey
#

we would have shit like eevees third stage evos with dual typing

pseudo goblet
#

Give me ground type eevee… please, or at least fighting…

Mainly because I like types that can hit a lot of other types

crimson moat
#

Hell Conquest did the Eevee thing too

vagrant steppe
#

Its sad tho

timid oracle
#

speaking of types, I might not bother with Hydreigon since being 4x weak to fairy seems risky

vagrant steppe
#

let's go is the best looking switch Pokemon game

crimson moat
#

Let's go is quality well above quantity

vagrant steppe
#

It looks really good and runs at a stable 60

#

Yeah, there's not much going for it content wise

crimson moat
#

It's a game you can run through almost everything in a weekend

vagrant steppe
#

But it is supposed to be mobile gamer's first Pokemon game

pseudo goblet
vagrant steppe
#

It's supposed to get people who have only played Go into the main series

pseudo goblet
#

Didn’t play Snap, ever

timid oracle
#

oh yeah Snap New

polar osprey
#

if you are a casual mobile gamer that only plays around 1-2 hours a day then lets go can last you a while

vagrant steppe
#

It's weird that Let's Go was the last game to use Megas

#

Let's Go also has a really nice shiny hunting system

#

Although you're locked into gen 1 shinies

#

It's basically dexnav, but you see them on the overworld

crimson moat
timid oracle
#

well I might have to get LGPE someday if I see it for good price

vagrant steppe
#

For it's target audience, I'd say let's go is pretty good

#

But I wouldn't pay $60 for it

crimson moat
#

That's like a nice 2 weeks

polar osprey
#

yeah

timid oracle
#

yeah totally not worth full price

mighty storm
vagrant steppe
#

Let's go did it's job tho

#

Got casuals to play a mainline game

mighty storm
#

save the sheep

vagrant steppe
#

And I'm sure a lot of them moved on to other games like SwSh

crimson moat
#

Let's Go did its job in a very unoffensive way with another game already announced in the working

timid oracle
#

beep beep it's a sheep

crimson moat
#

SwSh did not

vagrant steppe
#

Definitely not

latent sleet
#

man farming for tera shards sucks

mighty storm
#

she safe now

polar osprey
#

swsh is the mainline game I disliked the most and it's not even close

#

like

vagrant steppe
#

Looking back on SwSh tho, it's funny how much NICER everything looks

latent sleet
vagrant steppe
#

Like there's really not much content and the game doesn't look good

polar osprey
#

sv is a buggy unfinished mess but swsh was just boring as fuck

vagrant steppe
#

But it looks leagues better than SV

crimson moat
#

SV has both improvements and very concerning problems

#

SwSh just had mostly problems

polar osprey
#

I also felt no love behind swsh

#

like

#

the story everything was just so bland and cookie cutter

timid oracle
#

I played SwSh for good while but then it started to feel like I was forcing myself to play it so I stopped playing and I couldn't come back to it

crimson moat
#

That's what happens when you switch consoles mid-development

vagrant steppe
#

Tbh, I actually really liked SwSh's approach to gyms

timid oracle
#

then I traded it in

crimson moat
#

They didn't want to repeat BW2's sales and it shows

vagrant steppe
#

I think the idea of gyms as sporting events is great

#

And the music and general atmosphere feels really good for the gym battles

latent sleet
#

i had fun on gyms on swsh

crimson moat
#

It's all show and no substance

#

Same goes for the overworld

vagrant steppe
#

I even like that Hop live streams a couple of the rival battles

timid oracle
#

it partially paid for SMT5

vagrant steppe
#

The gyms in SV feels way worse in comparison

crimson moat
#

SwSh's only improvements were on fronts of accessibility
But they cut a lot of corners

#

And the dex, they cut that too

latent sleet
#

swsh gave a lot of stuff for comp players

crimson moat
#

SwSh's only improvements were on fronts of accessibility
Yes

#

DLC was also a good idea in concept but man is Isle of Armor not enough for its share, and the base game not being worth full price didn't help either

timid oracle
#

yeah well I am not comp player so it didn't really offer anything to me

#

plus I didn't even like gen8's gimmick

latent sleet
#

gigantamax was ok at best

pseudo goblet
crimson moat
#

If DLC for SV was just
1 leg of story segments added to the base game, ie expanding to 4 paths
THAT would be dope

mighty storm
crimson moat
#

Like the current plan shown for DLC is... ok, but adding a 4th path sounds like it would be too easy and attractive not to do

timid oracle
#

from current 3 paths I am focusing to Victory Road

latent sleet
#

is there leaks for sv dlc?

pseudo goblet
#

They added both Wooloo and Mareep right?

latent sleet
#

not wooloo

pseudo goblet
#

NO UmaruCry

crimson moat
timid oracle
#

there is no Wooloo, only Mareep

pseudo goblet
#

I’ve still yet to make these two stand together UmaruCry

#

Forgot if SwSh had Mareep honestly

latent sleet
#

i don’t think swsh had mareep

#

the sheep are never reunited

pseudo goblet
#

GameFreak why 🙂🔪

timid oracle
#

there is spoiler thread for SV

polar osprey
#

not anymore

timid oracle
#

what happened to it?

polar osprey
#

it's been 2 weeks it's archived now

pseudo goblet
#

I need my SV asap so I can meet my own Clodsire, an image of It is what I need to fill this hole in my heart 😔

timid oracle
#

ah okay

pseudo goblet
#

Gamefreak like sheep but not sheeps 😔

timid oracle
#

getting Clodsire was priority and it was success

sharp kernel
#

My team has changed so much

latent sleet
#

still working on mine

#

well the comp one

#

im gonna try my luck on battles

civic flint
#

Honestly didn't get Geeta's team

vagrant steppe
#

Her team is embarrassing

civic flint
#

She was apparently a rock specialist but only had 1 rock?

vagrant steppe
#

Like it's actively bad

#

Nah, she's just locked into using a rock tera

latent sleet
#

was lackluster

polar osprey
#

rock was just the last tera type left

#

lol

civic flint
#

Should have just fully committed

vagrant steppe
#

Or let her Tera whatever

#

She's the champion after all

#

They could have just added a rock team star member if they really wanted

crimson moat
civic flint
#

Yeah I know

#

I'm calling her a specialist because it should have followed that way to match

timid oracle
civic flint
#

Her team just kinda sucks

#

Like what is a avalugg and gogoat doing there

vagrant steppe
#

Yeah, they're laughably bad

timid oracle
#

at least Nemona has better team

vagrant steppe
#

4/5 of her mons die to Skeledirge btw

polar osprey
#

she dies to literally anything that can setup on espharta

pseudo goblet
#

Funny how GF able to make me like Quagsire just by making it laying down lol

And chub OMEGUFACE

polar osprey
#

and the list of mons that can do that is huge because fairy + psychic isn't exactly amazing coverage

bleak pine
#

Setting up on Espartha

Interestin maneuver

polar osprey
#

her espartha was built like shit

bleak pine
#

I get it also has Speed Boost but walking into Opportunist is a funny moment waiting to happen

golden lance
#

Ngl, keep seeing the "they can't delay the mainline games because other media neeeds to sell new things" argument

#

And then i reached the conclusion that's not necessarely true

#

Sv anime is gonna be late anyway, tcg has the freedom to come up with whatever new mechanic it wants, merch already has 1000+ mons to monetize

#

What exactly negative happens if the were to get more time on the oven?

polar osprey
#

they sell less

#

and it's not like they can't

#

there's just no reason to as of now

#

why use more resources to sell just as much if not less than a rushed product

void herald
golden lance
#

I mean, it you were to delay it last minute to the point were stuff was already made, sure

timid oracle
golden lance
#

But if you were to simply already allocate more development time, that becomes a non issue

polar osprey
#

it does

timid oracle
#

they rushed SV and it still sold best out of any Switch games

polar osprey
#

you release less games over time

#

which means the company sells less merch

#

and games

timid oracle
#

it's crazy to think that during this year they had released 3 games and year hasn't even ended

polar osprey
#

what makes pokemon games sell currently isn't the quality of the games

timid oracle
#

that's 3 games within 11 months

polar osprey
#

it's when and where they come out

timid oracle
#

both BDSP and PLA were January while SV was November

bleak pine
#

It feels so odd having Charizard in SV

#

I dunno what to try out with it

timid oracle
#

Charizard is almost as much of poster boy of franchise as Pikachu

bleak pine
#

I don't really mind Charizard all that much, truth be told

timid oracle
#

it would be nice if Venusaur or Blastoise got some attention as well

bleak pine
#

It's reputation is rightfully earned, like it or not

#

oooohh my goodness Charizard the Unrivaled finally nailed a hit with focus blast.

#

...Not like it did much with so much sp. atk reductions

timid oracle
#

I am rather interested to see what they will give me in SV when I have my birthday at end of next month

latent sleet
#

so far my comp team plan is:
Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Armorouge, Corviknight, Rotom (wash) and Breloom

void herald
#

i can't really blame them for milking charizard this much when there are clearly a lot of people who love charizard

latent sleet
#

any thoughts?

#

idk guess people picked charizard on xy

timid oracle
#

I picked Venusaur in XY but that's because I already had fire type as my starter

latent sleet
#

same

#

delphox and venusaur were my homies

timid oracle
#

also I think that I already had 2 fire types in party and I didn't have good grass type

latent sleet
#

i also used simipour for some reason

golden lance
bleak pine
#

I feel like I only picked Venusaur, cause i had Froakie and I already had a Torchic

latent sleet
#

is gholdengo that much of a menace?

bleak pine
#

ohhhh jeez there's a 6* Blissey

golden lance
bleak pine
#

That's a looooot of HP

latent sleet
#

i can see that any team that is dependant on status effects would suffer

golden lance
#

for reference

bleak pine
#

SUPERHERO

vagrant steppe
#

I love how flutter mane was so good it got to 40% in like a week

latent sleet
#

oh palafin is very high

vagrant steppe
#

Yeah there's a reason they were pretty quickly banned

golden lance
#

also, if you care about tiers, armarouge dropped to UU

bleak pine
#

Bleh

#

Tiers aren't my thing, but I suppose a lot of others go nutso over them

latent sleet
#

not into it

harsh path
#

TOTSUGEKI!

civic flint
#

Honestly hate the current usage stats

#

UU is in a fucked place lmao

bleak pine
#

ARGH WHY CAN'T I USE LIGHT SCREEN BEFORE CHARIZARD USES OVERHEAT

timid oracle
bleak pine
#

They're cryptids of a sort, hence the name

harsh path
#

Clodsire fluff

#

Cuter than Snom

bleak pine
#

Like, how we call one monster "Big foot"

#

It's got big feet

#

jeb

latent sleet
#

wow

harsh path
#

This is what happens when Misdreavus escapes Little Cup Jail

#

Look what happened to OU

#

Jokes aside how is OU

#

same mess it is each gen?

civic flint
#

Currently a mix of new toy syndrome and some straight power creep

#

With how they tracked the usage rates, UU is in a fucked spot

golden lance
civic flint
#

OU mons like Hatt and Espathra get free shots

golden lance
#

Chien pao is basically weavile on steroids

#

Gholdengo is insane

#

Spikes garchomp is now a thing

#

Cyclizar is really good

latent sleet
#

toxapex is still in ou

#

some things never change

golden lance
#

It's way more bearable now, so peeposhrug

lusty tiger
#

Mega Weavile is crazy good

bleak pine
#

what

lusty tiger
#

What?

golden lance
# bleak pine what

The new ice dark mon is just weavile but better in every conceivable way

latent sleet
#

chien pao?

golden lance
#

Yea that one

lusty tiger
#

Yes

#

Chien Pao

latent sleet
#

still havent caught the quartet

bleak pine
#

Don't think you need to let Wezl catch you saying that

latent sleet
#

why

bleak pine
#

Loves Weavile

#

And most other weasel-like mons

golden lance
#

Reminder that one of the things the day 1 patch did was nerf chi yu and chien pao

civic flint
#

Anyways, among current OU: I feel Moushold, Ququav, Bax, and Clod don't belong in the tier

latent sleet
#

chi yu is a goldfish i love it

civic flint
#

Tox as well to an extent

golden lance
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Ngl

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A bit sad that my favorite mon got powercrept

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But it got powercrept by another version of itself

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It's a bit weird to think about

latent sleet
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happened with the alolan forms

jovial cape
golden lance
lusty tiger
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Those stats and that move pool would wreck lower tiers hard

golden lance
lusty tiger
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Nah I think it is a legit OU threat

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Maybe not with Tera

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But it should definitelu be OU

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Also Clodsire should settle wherever Quagsire settles

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And Quaquaval is actually just bad

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Drop it to UU or even RU where it belongs

crimson moat
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I was definitely off on my prediction of where starters would end up but I'm glad I had Skeledirge much higher than Quack

golden lance
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Btw, can i just say how much i like gen 9's pokedex?

placid junco
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Gen 9 just feels incredibly strong in general tbh

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Good characters, good music, good Pokémon

bleak pine
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They finally remembered Venonat!

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...Sorry, there was a distinctive lack of Venonat GIFs

golden lance
bleak pine
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Half of them were of Butterfree.

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Nnnnope

placid junco
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If there was like another year ish in the oven to polish performance these would arguably be the best Pokémon games

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HGSS

bleak pine
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Not even Hoenn had Venonat native to the region

civic flint
bleak pine
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It was available in Kanto and Johto... and nowhere else

crimson moat
placid junco
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Yeah that’s fair

civic flint
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Homie thought he was Mence

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He was actually Haxorus

crimson moat
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I think most to all gens have good music but this was a gen that didn't click with most music

bleak pine
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I do like how most of the open world music was very chill

crimson moat
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There are a few solid standout tracks, but I didn't like much

bleak pine
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Riding on Koraidon/Miraidon actually changes it up to a more adventurous sounding score

crimson moat
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Dynamic music isn't much new tbh

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at least in travel

bleak pine
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Eh, yeah, it was a thing in Black/White

crimson moat
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Gen 5 had variations for both that and seasons

golden lance
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I miss seasons deadinside

civic flint
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Waiting for the next OU

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Tiers gonna be more accurate

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(Oh yeah ditto in OU lol)

crimson moat
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I miss seasons except for season-specific items

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Visually? Great
Musically? Great
Alternate paths? Locking items behind a date mechanic (The day, not Fire Emblem Fates) is stupid.

civic flint
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Rain not existing in OU is a bit surprising to me

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But they also lost a lot of good shit

crimson moat
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Paths should be alternative but should still give access to the same or inconsequentially similar stuff

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BW2 handles that mostly well with Castelia Sewers

bleak pine
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A nice inclusion but ultimately a real pain to play around

lucid moth
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i have a feeling its new toy syndrome

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cus pelliper is still in

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skewda too

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rain has players

golden lance
lucid moth
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ferro isnt in this game ye

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yet

golden lance
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Oh yea right

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Home locked

crimson moat
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I feel like part of it will depend on what happens when Ursaluna arrives

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If the same notion holds up like what people were thinking prior to PowerCreepGen9

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Pelipper is a solid answer to Luna

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Well

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As long as you don't badswitch into Facade

civic flint
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I keep finding different crazy mons in UU rn lol

crimson moat
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But all of Luna's other common choices are resisted or immune

civic flint
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What the hell is Slither Wing doing in there

lucid moth
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slither wing kinda ass

crimson moat
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There's going to be a UU and UUU tbh

civic flint
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Better than Lokix imo

crimson moat
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I don't reasonbly know how we are gonna keep the same tiering structure

lucid moth
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lokix is a totally different niche

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lokix has insane speed control

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first impression + sucker

crimson moat
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We need another letter in the alphabet for a tier

civic flint
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Slither also gets First Impression with a higher attack stat

crimson moat
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OU
UU
RU
NU
PU

Let's add SU
Sometimes Used (But not all of the time, so you play two copies)

civic flint
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Though I will concede you need Sun support

lucid moth
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slither needs more support to be great yeah

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also

golden lance
lucid moth
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tinted lens

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that does a fuck ton

civic flint
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Fair

lucid moth
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means lokix is always hitting neutral at worst

civic flint
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Tera Dark as well

lucid moth
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so its deceptively strong

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ye

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getting stab tera boost off tera dark

crimson moat
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BL is usually jus t

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jail

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It's like Ubers is a jail with a giant prison recreation center

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And BL is just the jail part

lusty tiger
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Yeah Lokix is a surprisingly powerful clean up Mon

lucid moth
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if we are talking about mons that dont belong in ou

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iron hands

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this guy sucks

crimson moat
lucid moth
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agree with quaquaval

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that mon is dog ass

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and maushold is fr just a meme

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also

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i think in my heart of hearts

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i know

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roaring moon is uu or uubl

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with tera gone at least

crimson moat
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What if Tera ends up as preview?

lucid moth
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i think tera is uncompetitive as a whole

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and smogon shouldnt restrict it and beat around the bush

placid junco
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Nah
Gholdengo is too rich

crimson moat
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Also Gholdengo has hair

placid junco
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And emotions

crimson moat
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Also he's this guy

bleak pine
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I like to think Quavalval is just one of Blaziken's relatives that keeps getting invited to parties, but isn't too sure how they're related

golden lance
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Aaand i lost all my balls trying to catch a igglybuff

bleak pine
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...I just like birds that can kick arse

harsh path
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He’s Krotchy fron Postal 2

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Except not phallic for thr kids’ sake

bleak pine
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Lowkey would love to have Blaziken again

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If only cause I super want to use both Blaziken and Quavalval in a double battle together

crimson moat
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Also I know the big talk was on regular OU

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Natdex UU is really, really wild

golden lance
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What happened?

crimson moat
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The OU split happened and UU still has a lot of stuff

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Like gen 9 Nat Dex UU has a lot of stuff from Gen 7 OU, including some of the bans

golden lance
crimson moat
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Pretty sure more than half the Gen 9 Nat Dex OU list is gen 9 pokes

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... ok it's not half but a notable amount

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Also hilarious that Skeledirge holding up there too

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Meowscarada and Quaquaval didn't

golden lance
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Btw

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How did nat dex handle battle bond?

crimson moat
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Pokemon Company "who?"

lucid moth
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skeledirge is just new clef

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with tera fairy

crimson moat
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Who needs Calm Mind when I can just boost attack while damaging?

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Nice D Dance kid

bleak pine
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I really just want a 600 BST beatstick that isn't a friggin' dragon for once

sharp kernel
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Hey

bleak pine
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ey

sharp kernel
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We got the best final gambit pokemon this Gen

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That’s enough

bleak pine
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Wait what

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...Oh

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Ok that's sick

golden lance
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So, how do you get lp?

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Raids?

polar osprey
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and online battles

sharp kernel
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Man there really is no other streamers besides Wolfey is there?

bleak pine
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LP can be gotten by checking raid dens, not necessarily doing raids

sharp kernel
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Everybody else is still beating the game or shiny hunting

bleak pine
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Other ways include battles with other players, selling materials to the TM maker, and a few events in-game

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Notably it's one such reward for some stuff you do for Star Street

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Oh right, battling mons out in the world that can Terastalize can give LP upon defeating or capturing them

golden lance
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I see

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Thanks

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Oh hey, you can input your birthday in the pokemon center

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Neat

bleak pine
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Yep

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Be sure to catch as much as you can if it is your birthday

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Some mons out and about can have special marks!

sharp kernel
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You just got the game Choccy?

golden lance
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Not exactly

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I just dread booting it up

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5 fps is a bit rough

sharp kernel
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Outside of the sunflora and the windmill I haven’t had huge glaring performance issues

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My main complain is actually the camera

sharp kernel
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Oh wait you’re running the rom right?

golden lance
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Correct

sharp kernel
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Ah I see

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Yeah 5fps is rough

bleak pine
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Same here. Performance isn't a big issue for me.

sharp kernel
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I remember I tried running Pokémon pearl (the original) on my windows xp when it first came out

bleak pine
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Honestly, as much as the performance can improve, this really is the most fun I got out of a game in the series

sharp kernel
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And I was playing on 10 fps

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I agree with you symph

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The game has its flaws, but if they can polish a few of the things, I would be extremely excited for Gen 10

golden lance
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On the good side, i'm getting a pc with better specs on my bday since i don't have to spend that money on college fees anymore

harsh path
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Leggo I suppose!

vagrant steppe
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The team star finale is pretty good

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Like the writing is nice

bleak pine
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Alright, gonna ask

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What kind of thing could I even do when designing a regional Blaziken that would take inspiration from 5D's Junk Warrior?

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Felt like Fire/Steel type would be fitting but I'm unsure what else I could do.

golden lance
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AYO IS THAT A SIZE ACCURATE PELIPPER?

bleak pine
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Yeah

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It has to have a cool scarf

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Problem is, unless you're Heatran, Fire/Steel type isn't exactly a flattering type to be. Also assuming it's stat lineup is mostly the same when designed.

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Though, I might give it a good few tools to make up for it, like reducing it's base Sp. Atk in exchange for slight modifications to its Atk and Spd stats

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Could also learn a few neat Steel-Type moves, like Meteor Mash, Shift Gears and maybe an exclusive move

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Really tempted to just have the exclusive named "Scrap Fist", though that might be reaching too hard for the inspiration

golden lance
bleak pine
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yes

golden lance
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Also, remind me to never speak to a npc that's on a route

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Got jebaited by sandwich talk and forced into a battle

bleak pine
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Ouch

golden lance
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Ok so

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Something funny happened

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I was on a flat terrain, but i got stuck in the sliding animation and started going super fast

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For like, 4 seconds

bleak pine
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Turn on some Eurobeat and enjoy the ride

placid junco
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I’m kinda conflicted but enjoying how hard it is to settle on a team I like for the single player,
Scarlet gonna make me really wish I had multiple save files or accounts set up

bleak pine
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Same here!

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Since Sword/Shield I've been catching a whole lot of mons and rarely sticking to a concrete team of sorts

placid junco
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My only two locked in mons are skeledirge and Klawf

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And maybe Clodsire