today is the last day before christmas shopping season where my family can't spend stuff for fun so now I gotta decide if I want to commit to SV now or wait until christmas
#Pokemon
placid junco
mighty storm
SV is going to be insane, commit now
placid junco
Oh?
People are that confident in it?
Just debating if I wanna get physical or digital
I went digital for SWSH for the same holiday shopping season reason
But having physical gams also nice
placid junco
Also true
It’s more like I said
My family has a “no personal purchasing” rule after Halloween
For the sake of making Christmas shopping easier
And it is not an easy choice for me to make
Because I always get wishy washy about spending money
mighty storm
People are that confident in it?
I've seen the leaks
this game is gonna be CRAZY good
spice rivet
vagrant steppe
this game is gonna be CRAZY good
@placid junco it's worth noting that people who liked previous games seem to like SV from the leaks and people who didn't didn't. It's probably the same quality, if not a little better/worse than SwSh. So take that into account more than anything
So far nothing has been revealed that makes this drastically different, the open world doesn't seem that in-depth, there's no level scaling, all battles are optional, breeding is worse, competitive is worse, and there's no battle tower
Not sure about the story or new mons, but realistically it's probably about the same as SwSh
I'd say wait until more people get to play it/finish it, and see from there
placid junco
lusty tiger
Yep
Saw the leaks
Have lost all hope in this one
Game Freak treating Pokemon like a poverty franchise
warm sky
what leak this time
lusty tiger
There was a supposed leak of the game
warm sky
Game Freak treating Pokemon like a poverty franchise
Honestly I feel bad for the devs who do care, because it's really a time issue + upper management
Yeah, I know the game itself is out there for sure
lusty tiger
Oh yeah definitely
They need the yearly releases
Bets on Pokemon going F2P with gacha elements for the next mainline game?
warm sky
Oh I doubt it
they already got masters and pokémon go for that
I also feel bad for the gear project for failing
pokémon really wanted to make a new IP but
Of the 5
4 got little advertisement
and the one they did advertise a lot
little town hero, sucked ass
silver vigil
There was a supposed leak of the game
Gimme
lusty tiger
Remind me again after I get off work
I saw it on a twitter thread that lead to a Reddit thread that lead to a 4ch post
vagrant steppe
I mean, you don't even need to see the leaks
Just look at the 12 minutes of gameplay demo streamers got
The demo's open world chunk is BAREN
And you'd think they'd be putting content in it because it's the pre-demo exclusively for streamers to build up hype
bleak pine
The other demos we as players got were also barren before
The ORAS one was literally some small area
Nvm oras demo had a lot
Think SM was smaller
void herald
yeah pokemon demos tend to be barren on purpose
long stone
#buyDLC
vagrant steppe
Oh right I forgot they'll lock all the "postgame" behind DLC
bleak pine
yeah pokemon demos tend to be barren on purpose
ORAS did have a lot
The SM one I think had one city
Neither had that many people besides fights
I never played the LGPE one
vagrant steppe
yeah pokemon demos tend to be barren on purpose
The player demos usually have a route + gym/event battle
This was a demo exclusively for streamers to build hype tho
bleak pine
Pokemon is also stingy now with what they show
Last time I am pretty sure they revealed all the new SwSh hold items at once
And there were more of then
Now we got 3
With only one that's going to be useful, the other niche and the herb being a Xerneas counter
long stone
they are not stingy, they just dont havr much to show cuz there isn't much to start with
outer eagle
An item that changes weather to what you designate upon switch-in for 1 turn. 
vagrant steppe
It's definitely a bit of both
long stone
i wish they were stingy for the sake of being stingy at this point
vagrant steppe
There's a full 80ish mons and we haven't even seen starter evos
But also, there's likely just not much content in general
long stone
There's a full 80ish mons and we haven't even seen starter evos
yeh but the entire game is just that this time
vagrant steppe
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be much of anything by way of explorable stuff
long stone
Seriously we each game we are getting less and less
i truely miss gen 7 at this point
vagrant steppe
Yeah, there really is just less content each gen
outer eagle
There was a 3-year gap between Oras and SM 
vagrant steppe
I mean, they cut the battle tower and fucked up breeding after all
outer eagle
Now GF is pumping games out every year
vagrant steppe
Gotta make that yearly release money
They've realized that people will buy them no matter how little content and general lack of quality they put in them
long stone
Basically one step forward 10 steps backward
god help us in gen10
watch 50% of that gen's mon be convergent evo-like of gen 1 stuff
sand forge
Wiglett is so uncreative its name in Japanese is literally SeaDiglett
bleak pine
Damn doomer hours in chat again?
sand forge
tbh my least favourite decision they made was the Galarian variants of Moltres etc
vagrant steppe
It's less doomer, more "gamefreak can do a lot better, and they're the biggest media company in the world so they should be"
long stone
we know they can do better, they were going so good with legends
vagrant steppe
Wiglett is so uncreative its name in Japanese is literally SeaDiglett
I thought you were joking
Holy shit
sand forge
vagrant steppe
That's so lazy
warm sky
... I mean
that's kinda how we name animals irl
don't we
I think the lack of creativity for the name is the point
sharp kernel
I’m sorry saint, I got to call bs on this. I spent thousands of hours doing comp breeding in sword and shield and any change from the current system is an upgrade
sharp kernel
Like legitly, the bar for comp play in Pokémon is higher than almost any other comp game I’ve played
And it’s mostly because of breeding
crimson moat
I’m sorry saint, I got to call bs on this. I spent thousands of hours doing comp...
The current rumor is that it is the same except you gotta play the amie feature to force it, and there's a chance at a random egg entirely
I gotta be real, it does sound worse
sharp kernel
Hmm, depends, is the upside that we can do picnics from the start? Because if so that’s a huge +
bleak pine
I was thinking picnics could easily be an upside considering they are now basically portable daycares
crimson moat
I don't see that as an upside tbh... daycare is usually early enough where that doesn't tend to matter more than an hour or two
bleak pine
The random eggs may suck
crimson moat
the portability sure
bleak pine
But hey maybe they have egg moves
crimson moat
Portable daycare allowing you to designate where you daycare is neat
bleak pine
So it isn't the biggest loss to get a random one
sharp kernel
Do we have a list of how early daycares were in each game? Part of me feels like SnW’s daycare felt pretty halfway through the game
bleak pine
Legit would be neat if it's something useful too
vagrant steppe
The current rumor is that it is the same except you gotta play the amie feature ...
Also remember it's ANY possible breed able pair in your party
crimson moat
I mean that part's manipulatable
bleak pine
Also remember it's ANY possible breed able pair in your party
Just use 2 mons easy
vagrant steppe
So you've gotta cut down to just the two mons you're trying to breed, do the cutscene, and STILL have a chance at random eggs
crimson moat
The random egg is the dumb part
vagrant steppe
It's manipulatable, but tedious
bleak pine
No flame body usually too
sharp kernel
Also this could be an upside if HA’s aren’t locked behind boss battles/non HA Pokémon
crimson moat
Do we have a list of how early daycares were in each game? Part of me feels like...
I'll gather that up, but the only one that I can think of being notoriously late is BW2
bleak pine
Yeah this whole picnic thing actually seems more neat and the random eggs may actually be cool
crimson moat
But all the good stuff in BW2 otherwise is late as well
sharp kernel
I think it could be cool if you can do it from the start
vagrant steppe
No one wants random eggs when they're breeding for a specific Mon tho
crimson moat
I just don't think there's much point to a daycare out the gate because why am I breeding specifically for the start of a run
I don't shiny hunt
sharp kernel
People also don’t breed for a specific mon till the post game though
This incentivizes you to breed early if nothing else
bleak pine
Yeah breeding is useless in main game
sharp kernel
Because you have nothing to lose and everything to gain
crimson moat
You lose time
I'd rather wait until I establish what pokemon I'd want to breed first
I can breed my starter with ratata clone
neat
Breeding for the beginning of the game is the world's most meager timesave for people who don't want to restart files for shiny starter
I'm not one of those people
You, the one reading this, probably aren't either
sharp kernel
Tbf restarting for starter is high key one of the most obnoxious things
crimson moat
It would be if I cared to do it
sharp kernel
I gave up on getting a shiny starter 1242 tries into brilliant diamond
crimson moat
Gen 2: Route 34 (2 gyms in)
Gen 3 RSE: Route 117 (2 gyms in)
Gen 3 FRLG: Four Island (Post-game)
Gen 4 DPPt: Socaleon Town (2-3 gyms in. 3 for Plat)
Gen 4 HGSS: Still Route 34
Gen 5 BW: Route 3 (1 gym in to reach it, but it is locked for breeding until Nimbasa City is reached, so 3 gyms in)
Gen 5 BW2: Route 3 (Post-game)
Gen 6 XY: Route 7 (2 gyms in)
Gen 6 ORAS: Route 117 (2 gyms in) and a second 1 on the Battle Resort (Postgame)
Gen 7: Paniola Ranch (1 Trial... but that probably feels like forever given it is gen 7)
Gen 8: Route 5 (1 gym in)
Outside of FRLG and BW2, it's available no later than 3 gyms in
BW it is a little bit obnoxious because you don't get Fly til the 5th gym so you'd have to backtrack all the way from Nimbasa to Route 3
long stone
that's kinda how we name animals irl
somstimes yes
but the thing is we didn't make those animals, we just named them
a Seahorse still looks nothing like a horse after all, it's not just a a different reskin of a horse.
vagrant steppe
Breeding for the beginning of the game is the world's most meager timesave for p...
Gifts are shiny locked, remember
So starters aren't able to be shiny unless bred
crimson moat
ok, care level went from 0 to .0000000001
vagrant steppe
Yeah, it's really not relevant that you can breed a little faster in exchange for tedium
warm sky
somstimes yes
but the thing is we didn't make those animals, we just named them...
okay sure, but how many other animals have called stuff like adjective otheranimal just because they look the same, and then they're not even in the same genus.
Yeah, it's taken to a bit more of an extreme
but it's pokémon
And there's not much you can do with a simple design like diglet
It's fine, and I feel the hate is a bit overblown. It's aesthetically basically a regional variant anyway
placid junco
true elbow
waxen moat
maiden flax
Still wondering if i should play gen 9 at all
Well if youre wondering itd be best to wait to see what people say when the game comes out (give it like a week or two) to see if people like it
sand forge
okay sure, but how many other animals have called stuff like adjective otheranim...
Thankfully real life doesn't have Gen1 wank
vocal torrent
Thankfully real life doesn't have Gen1 wank
If it does, chicken would look just like T. rex today owo
maiden flax
Sea cucumber is not a cucumber
maiden flax
If it does, chicken would look just like T. rex today owo
that would be gen2-3 wank
sand forge
Red pandas are not pandas
Real life has shit names for things, I expect a creative property to not pick the laziest option
Sure, there's a seal called Seel
sand forge
Yes
Gen 1 I'm not sure about
Because idk how established the company was
Also is it Thunder as in the English word?
Because that's shit to English speakers, but UmiDigda Vs Digda
It's like if they called Gallade MaleGardevoir
maiden flax
Also is it Thunder as in the English word?
Its the english word
sand forge
I can forgive that then
maiden flax
A lot of gen 1 mons have "english word" as a name
Something about teaching kids english words or something
vocal torrent
Back then Pokemon wasn't multi-million (or billion?) franchise, so the lack of creativity in gen 1 names can be forgiven
I do appreciate that the translation even bother thinking of good "Pokey" name for them instead of simply calling it "Kaminari" or something
Unlike YGO 👀 (Looking at Doriado/Dryad)
pseudo goblet
Exeggcute’s name in Japanese was pretty funny to me 😅
maiden flax
Because that's shit to English speakers, but UmiDigda Vs Digda
Though im fine with umidigda/wiglett
It think its fitting due to theming
I find that theming is one of the most important things in naming and so i find the name fitting
pseudo goblet
Though im fine with umidigda/wiglett
It think its fitting due to theming
Umidigda is wigglet’s Japanese name? heh, nice
Literally means Sea-diglett, love it 
tacit sphinx
maiden flax
Since the guy brought up the battle frontier:
The battle frontier is overrated :v
tacit sphinx
Hot take btw
The best music in the entire franchise is specifically the Sevii Islands remix of the Lake of Rage theme
warm sky
Since the guy brought up the battle frontier:
The battle frontier is overrated :...
Wrong
I'd prefer having an actual post game
outer eagle
if we're talking about the "best music", then i'd say Sealed Chamber's theme is my favorite
twin shard
Pokémon center is the best
harsh path
Pokémon Center Theme kinda just feels like the musical equivalent of a warm blanket
warm sky
Anime leaks about ash vs leon ||ash loses||
outer eagle
sand forge
Though im fine with umidigda/wiglett
It think its fitting due to theming
I'm fine with Wiglett, just UmiDigda is particularly bad
Wiglett is a good "it reminds us of Diglett"
maiden flax
Wrong
sure post game is good, just that the battle frontier i argue is pretty boring as post game
warm sky
I mean BW2 has best post game tbf
last musk
Anime leaks about ash vs leon ||ash loses||
Confirmed?
fading stratus
That was likely outcome anyway
outer eagle
tbf ||plot armor is on Ash's side||
that and ||community pressure||
ironically enough ||if Ash actually loses then all the fanboys who accepted Leon's unearned prowess would riot and call it unfair||
random stream
clef didnt make it 
maiden flax
I mean BW2 has best post game tbf
that is true, and that wasnt a battle frontier :v
warm sky
Yes
crimson moat
Hey but ya know which game follows bw2 for postgame? Platinum
crimson moat
Anime leaks about ash vs leon ||ash loses||
There is so much bad about Masters 8 that this wouldn’t really phase me
maiden flax
Hey but ya know which game follows bw2 for postgame? Platinum
I say the delta episode and the islands in oras were better post game than platinum :x
Platinum better if we include the mystery gift events i say
crimson moat
Yeah I can’t say a 2 hour long story is much of postgame to me
The same… 2 hour long max… thing they’ve done for almost every game since XY and ORAS just happened to do it best
Mystery gift has always meant nothing and I would never include that on a metric
maiden flax
I would still say oras one is better than platinums one overall
Like the battle frontier can give you a lot of hours but they are very boring hours
Also second best post game is def HGSS
Speaking of hgss
I actually really liked the pokeathelon, that thing was hella fun
vocal torrent
Emerald is still peak gen 3 that ORAS felt like neutered version of it, despite adding stuff like Mega
maiden flax
I disagree i think ORAS was better than emerald overall
fading stratus
I like emerald better too just because Tate and Liza had more than 2 mons
vocal torrent
Also at least Emerald know post-game exist with Battle Frontier
maiden flax
Also at least Emerald know post-game exist with Battle Frontier <:cheems:6831821...
(We were just over this conversation that the battle frontier is overrated)
warm sky
No met, that's you believing that
fading stratus
~~No met, that's you believing that~~
yes
last musk
Gonna be honest, not a fan of battle frontier either
The constant battling is boring af to me and it's not like it's hard so I don't get the point
Like I'd take a sun and moon post game or episode delta everytime over a battle frontier
placid junco
if game freak cared we could have both
last musk
It's just shocking how slow gamefreak have adapted
placid junco
The classic 1 step forward 3 steps back
last musk
Like the 3ds and now switch gave them access to a lot more processing power, and they respond by... Wasting so much of it
Even legends arceus looks bad tbh, the gameplay is fine if not really repetitive but overall the fact I've not been compelled to play any of the newer games at all is a painful realisation
vocal torrent
Yeah, my problem with ORAS is not that they can't have BF, but they chose not to
Every change in remake is supposedly to serve a purpose, what purpose does omitting one of post-game feature did?
last musk
The fact that every game since I want to say gen 4 has had slowdown issues is also shocking
maiden flax
The constant battling is boring af to me and it's not like it's hard so I don't ...
Jotlico gets it
placid junco
Looker postgame and delta episode are good
Although I don’t personally think especially highly of delta episode
snow oasis
survived Lenora by the skin of my fucking teeth
placid junco
F
vocal torrent
outer eagle
2 more encounters b4 Burgh
Early RIP
fading stratus
Yeah Lenora is a runkiller
vagrant steppe
I will say as far as music goes (I was back reading), the gen 8 gym theme FUCKS
maiden flax
In terms of music my favourite is gen 6 (as in including oras)
As much as x and y were really forgettable the music was top notch
Love route 15
placid junco
2 more encounters b4 Burgh
Early RIP
I mean if he can get darumaka and sigilyph he should be fine
outer eagle
?
How can you get Sigilyph b4 beating Burgh
it's in Desert Resort
and Darumaka has paper thin defenses and low speed
placid junco
You can go pretty far into that route iirc
outer eagle
you can't
placid junco
I know you can at least go far enough to get darumaka
outer eagle
Darumaka yes
placid junco
Gotcha
It’s been a while since I played BW so I definitely don’t remember everything
outer eagle
but then again it's a 40% encounter
on top of that, Hustle means every one of its attacks has a 20% miss
placid junco
bleak pine
You ever noticed how a lot of childish or immature-ish mons get Hustle?
Stuff like Togepi, Deino, Darumaka, etc.
mighty storm
yup
sand forge
Nope
outer eagle
a lot of non-evolving or NFE mons have Hustle yes
bleak pine
I guess you can suggest that Deino is kinda blind, but doesn't exactly control it's strength, hence it having Hustle.
outer eagle
The image of Delibird Hustling makes me chuckle
bleak pine
It's just panicking from having to actually fight things
snow oasis
Man, Unova’s early game fucking suuuuuucks
(i.e. pre-first gym)
No Audino, no Dreamyard access, no Route 3 access (and no Day Care)
just grinding on Route 2 shitmons that max out at Lv7 and are usually Lv4 for a gym whose leader’s mons are Lv12 and 14
bleak pine
Yeah, thinking on it now, it is very lacklustre
You practically have to requisition PanWhatever from a lady out at the Dreamyard to take on the gym.
snow oasis
Yeah, thinking on it now, it is very lacklustre
There’s only 12 trainer fights total before the first gym and that’s counting all the N/Cheren/Bianca fights and the gym trainers
So you have to grind on shitmons to actually be able to challenge the first gym, and that’s with Gen 5 XP mechanics
bleak pine
I dunno how to introduce newer players to how type effectiveness works but having like three gym leaders who always use a mon that would have an advantage against yours is not how I'd do it
snow oasis
Unova gets a hell of a lot better once you get past the early game, but the way early game sucks
bleak pine
Agreed
sand forge
Is Gen 5 the one with the hottest mom
crimson moat
Yeah your total mons leading up to the first gym is at its absolute worst in bw1… even less than gen 1
outer eagle
BW2 has the same total mons as BW1 pre-gym1 (4)
except you don't even have a guaranteed Super Effective mon
crimson moat
BW2 has the same total mons as BW1 pre-gym1 (4)
What
No it doesn’t
BW2 has 11
BW has 4
crimson moat
except you don't even have a guaranteed Super Effective mon
Riolu
outer eagle
just to clarify, we are counting total number of encounters or overall pokemon list
because this is in context of the nuzlocke
crimson moat
K then
bleak pine
It's funny cause if you just power-walk a whole lot you can have a Lucario as soon as you take on the first gym.
crimson moat
But in actual availability BW has a total 4 different Pokémon you can possibly get
Your monkey, patrat, lilipup, and purloin
outer eagle
It's funny cause if you just power-walk a whole lot you can have a Lucario as so...
Friendship 
bleak pine
crimson moat
BW2 has 11 different Pokémon that can come up with 4 attempts in a nuzlocke
bleak pine
I wonder if anyone who was new to Pokémon at the time actually caught a Sunkern and just kept it a whole lot.
outer eagle
well some people must have done so
crimson moat
Which yeah, that’s why early game bw1 sucks, you have no decent choices early on even when playing the game normally
bleak pine
It opens up a good bit once you are done with that.
crimson moat
This is the breakdown by the first gym, and one of the only things I think SwSh did well as part of accessibility
snow oasis
But in actual availability BW has a total 4 different Pokémon you can possibly g...
Starter too ig
bleak pine
You can just have Karate Man Sawk just karate chop everything else in the next gym challenge.
snow oasis
But it ain’t a great selection
snow oasis
First gym down
Lost Patrat to Cress’ Lillipup because it flinch haxed me with Bite bc of course it did
swift jasper
the rrat sucks anyway
snow oasis
I could’ve maybe cheesed out Lenora’s Retaliate with a Detect strat using it
tried to use the Repel strat to guarantee a Drilbur in Wellspring Cave
went through 5 Repels with nothing to show for it, finally a dust cloud popped up just as my last Repel ran out
raced toward it only to get dragged into a Roggenrola encounter three steps from the dust cloud
okay that’s not the worst thing, Roggenrola is immeasurably shit compared to Drilbur yea but at least it has some utility
check its nature after I catch it
- Atk + SpA
pain
outer eagle
golden lance
Should've bought more repels 
lucid moth
boil
sand forge
Pignite really makes this gym into a joke
but at the cost of having to use Pignite
vagrant steppe
The main story isn't, but there's really not much to do once you beat that
Outside of randomly catching mons
last musk
The gameplay of it is repetitive but if you're just going for story clear you'll not get bored of it before then
vagrant steppe
Yeah, but I couldn't bring myself to get to Arceus tbh
Because after the story, you're just told "catch one of every Pokemon"
And that gets repetitive, especially for the mons you've gotta grind portals for
golden lance
Doesn't completing dex research usually require you catching 10 of the same mon?
vagrant steppe
That's full completion
You need that for the shiny charm
Not required to catch Arceus
But even then, portals and rare mons are grindy as hell
Note there's nothing to do with the mons postgame either
There's a "battle arena" with like 6 teams you can battle, and nothing else
last musk
Portals also cause slowdown
golden lance
Bro why can't pokemon make a good post game to save its life?
last musk
Bro why can't pokemon make a good post game to save its life?
That takes more than minimum effort I'm afraid
vagrant steppe
Tbf there was definitely more effort that went into PLA than average
But they never bothered to do anything to the game once it came out
And it's also super dated
placid junco
yeah i don't normally care about graphics but gamefreak is so badly behind the curve
vagrant steppe
It feels fresh and new for a pokemon game, but it's not gonna age well as a jrpg considering it's already well behind average
I mean, completely ignoring graphics, the gameplay is PS3 level
Compare it to the newest monster hunter, also on the switch
placid junco
yeah
like SV is a significant step up for the graphics it seems
But thats like going from early ps2 to late ps2
and the PLA gameplay seems uh
meh
vagrant steppe
PLA gameplay is the best Pokemon has been since eGen 5
Maybe even ever, but it's also held back by a ton
Like if this was a Wii game, it'd be insane and amazing
It's the fact that it's a late switch game
placid junco
yep
vagrant steppe
Something something Cyber Sleuth again, but COMPARE IT TO FUCKING CYBER SLEUTH
vagrant steppe
Honestly, compare SV to SMT5 and you'll see how underwhelming these games are
placid junco
i still do enjoy the pokemon games but man they
they really do not care that much about evolving the franchise
vagrant steppe
SMT5 will have come out a year and some change before SV and has full voice acting, almost a bigger Dex, DEFINITELY a bigger world map, more content including post game, and just a much better experience
placid junco
like I get sound files take up a lot of space
But ffs game freak everybody knows companies don't pay voice actors that much
even the pokemon games not made by you have voice acting
new pokemon snap is so good
vagrant steppe
Hell, Persona 5 is on the switch now
And that's a last gen title that puts pokemon scarlet and violet to shame
Wait it's not even last gen
placid junco
hell its not even last gen yeah
vagrant steppe
P5 is a PS3 GAME
placid junco
it was a ps3 game
vagrant steppe
Thats embarrassing for Gamefreak
placid junco
ported to everything under the sun and murdering gacha games left and right
vagrant steppe
And it's not like the switch can't handle a fleshed out pokemon experience
It can run The Witcher 3 and Nier Automata
Gamefreak just doesn't try now
placid junco
They haven’t really been trying since Gen 6
vagrant steppe
Nope
And they're gonna make infinite money forever so they don't need to anytime soon
placid junco
Yeah it really doesn’t matter if you boycott it or not
Pokémon is effectively impossible to boycott
placid junco
Honestly if I didn’t own Pearl AND platinum I’d probably have gotten BDSP
But then I heard they were effectively less than 1:1 remakes
vagrant steppe
Yeah they're actively worse and messier than DP
Like they look "better"
But that's it
warm sky
~~Something something Cyber Sleuth again, but COMPARE IT TO FUCKING CYBER SLEUTH...
Don't forget that Cyber Sleuth is a vita game
Made by an actually small team with a small budget
The fact the next Digimon Story game has been given a bigger budget and has been in development since 2017 really makes me hope when the game comes out in 2023-2025 it's a banger
silver vigil
I only hope they planned it far back enough to include all the ghost game crew
/some the whole cavalcade of Digimon in like the last year
warm sky
I'm sure the ghost game crew will be in it
I really hope we get Callismon tbh
We're going to the Greek server, use the obscure Greek mon
bleak pine
Uhh smt5 uhh kinda mid uhh
Funny how the most mid mainline game released right after SwSh
snow oasis
burgh
warm sky
Pog they live
crimson moat
Boii
pseudo goblet
For a sec I saw it as ‘Boil’
Anyone hungry?
snow oasis
By the time you reach Nimbasa City you can only have 11 total pokemon
It wouldn’t be so bad if the only fishing rod weren’t postgame for some bizarre reason
placid junco
They did the same thing for BW2 didn’t they
outer eagle
well
snow oasis
B2W2 aren’t so linear at least tho
placid junco
They just skip you straight to the super rod
snow oasis
You have more options
outer eagle
at least the fossils aren't post-game in BW1
placid junco
True
outer eagle
BW2's accessibility is better in most areas except for the fossil issue i find
snow oasis
BW just have a horrific early game
outer eagle
a lot of the true backtracking in gen 5 in general is only available after Surf unfortunately
while in most other games you can still get the encounters just fine even if not all the items
snow oasis
Well, Jot’s correct about the whole
entire region being a straight line
thing
B/W are decent games but the whole thing is literally “walk to next town, fight the gym there, lather rinse repeat”
The fact that they’re compared against the magnificence that is B2W2 doesn’t help their perception
outer eagle
BW2 is helped by the fact that a lot of the areas in BW1 are expanded if anything
altho in terms of linearity idk if BW2 is "less linear" than BW1
if you want to just complete the main campaign it's quite the same deal tbh
the balance of having optional explorable side areas is interesting at least
people memed on SwSh for not having any dungeon at all but idt most people even bothered to explore stuffs like Relic Passage, Relic Castle, the full Castelia Sewers, Mistralton Cave and the likes
placid junco
Mistralton cave i can kind of understand
And relic passage to a degree tbh
But yeah BW2 was so good for optional side areas
outer eagle
yeah
it had a lot of explorable side areas
Lostlorn Forest, Abundant Shrine, and a huge chunk of the Victory Road as well
kinda wished we had access to Route 1 b4 post-game tho
warm sky
Fr tho B/W is too fucking linear
Yeah as much as I love gen 5
BW started the linearity problem we see in the 3d era
crimson moat
Yeah the only major problem bw2 had for accessibility was no fossil workaround
You could get the fossils early via Join Avenue, but you had no way to revive them
crimson moat
people memed on SwSh for not having any dungeon at all but idt most people even ...
Most people probably didn’t know Anville Town existed either
crimson moat
B/W are decent games but the whole thing is literally “walk to next town, fight ...
Don’t forget “fight rival”, they started that too
snow oasis
Don’t forget “fight rival”, they started that too
I like fighting rivals tho
crimson moat
I think it’s like 14 rival battles before postgame
snow oasis
I think it’s like 14 rival battles before postgame
Rather rival fights than random trainers
outer eagle
ofc your number would be overloaded
crimson moat
I think it’s like 14 rival battles before postgame
Shockingly, still not as obnoxious as Hop
snow oasis
Random trainers are a dull little obstacle, a checklist to be completed
Rival fights actually feel meaningful
That and the fact that they could come out of nowhere means you might get complacent, forget to heal up, and then BOOM difficult fight
crimson moat
Eh, I think they overloaded BW, but I do agree on Cheren and especially N being meaningful
snow oasis
Bianca’s no slouch either if you’re not expecting her
crimson moat
Ehhhhhhhh
Idk I thought she never was much a threat
Bianca needed more of a tying motive to me. The bit with her dad is cool but that’s like all they do with her
snow oasis
She nearly killed my first Black locke bc of the aforementioned “not expecting a fight and not being fully healed up for it”
outer eagle
she did pick the starter weak to you
so if you don't just rush forward at low health you shouldn't be that threatened by her
snow oasis
Bianca needed more of a tying motive to me. The bit with her dad is cool but tha...
Gonna disagree just personally here bc the story usually isn’t very important to me
crimson moat
Still, all 3 of them are miles better than Hop and especially gen 6 and Hau
snow oasis
Don’t care too much about character relations
outer eagle
it's hard to even remotely call the gen 6 characters rival tbh
crimson moat
It’s hard to call Hau one either
snow oasis
The three that aren’t Calem/Serena are pointless yeah
crimson moat
It’s easier to call Hau punching bag
snow oasis
but they’re pointless bc they aren’t really interesting to battle
crimson moat
Serena/Caleb is about the blandest you can go for a rival
outer eagle
for me they're uninteresting as characters
that combined with them being weak as well makes them about as relevant as any random NPC on the street
sharp kernel
So I’ve been doing my darnest to find in game spoilers for scarlet and Violet and there’s nothing out there, I’m actually super impressed at what they’ve done in terms of secrecy for this game
But anyways, I think doing a mono ghost playthrough for this game is probably what I’m going to end up doing
snow oasis
When’s the release date?
sharp kernel
November 18th
crimson moat
18th I think
snow oasis
We don’t even know the starters’ final formes yet right?
sharp kernel
We don’t even know their 2nd forms lol
snow oasis
Baller
placid junco
I kinda like that part tbh
snow oasis
they will all be Fire/Fighting
placid junco
Although I might have to wait until Christmas to get scarlet at this point
crimson moat
I couldn’t care one way or the other. It’s handled much better than SwSh pr so at least it is mostly back to normal
sharp kernel
You need me to spot you copper? I got you
placid junco
Although I might have to wait until Christmas to get scarlet at this point
(My family has a “no personal shopping from nov 1st to Christmas” rule)
snow oasis
Lmao why the hell not
placid junco
To make Christmas shopping easier for the family I guess?
outer eagle
bulk buying
last musk
Someone inform me of the starters forms when they become available
placid junco
I think it’s stupid
last musk
I got burned by tepig and I'm not having that happen again
snow oasis
You’re all adults just tell each other what you want ahead of time wtf
snow oasis
That’s what my family does and yeah there’s no surprise but you always get what you want and no duplicates
crimson moat
Emboar is fine… in the context of a single gen
outer eagle
i rarely cared about a starter's appearance so i'm honestly the most comfortable with Emboar seeing that it's actually a decent mon in-game
crimson moat
And is miles more interesting than Blanderott
outer eagle
altho again, it's another basic Fire Fighting type
last musk
I'm all about interesting
snow oasis
Serp bangs tho
snow oasis
Emboar would be fine if it weren’t the third fucking F/F in a row
placid junco
That’s what my family does and yeah there’s no *surprise* but you always get wha...
Oh yeah my family still does Christmas lists and shit
Aside from my moms not really telling me and my brothers what they want
snow oasis
Interesting note
last musk
You mean their final evos being mono type right?
sharp kernel
Eh, I’m cool with monotype starters
snow oasis
Fire is the starter type with the fewest monotypes; only Typhlosion and Cinderace
crimson moat
Emboar would be fine if it weren’t the third fucking F/F in a row
But ya see, we needed a very viable fire fighting in gen 4 to deal with Skarm Bliss
Oh right, nape useage tanked later on
outer eagle
You mean their final evos being mono type right?
yes
snow oasis
And those monotypes have only been in gens where every other starter final evo is also monotype
placid junco
I still might get SV and break the rule but not 100% committed yet (I could just use cash so mom A doesn’t track card spending hahah)
sharp kernel
They might not be good
outer eagle
tot is fine
crimson moat
The only time they split it were gens 1 and 3
sharp kernel
But totodile is best boy
sharp kernel
Totodile’s dance is iconic
placid junco
My flower Dino baby
outer eagle
altho meganium is like the bane of every run's existence
last musk
altho meganium is like the bane of every run's existence
I love my second rival battle having type advantage, synthesis and status ailments
outer eagle
gen 2 was too focused on being Kanto DLC b4 actually being its own thing
and the Kanto portion also ended up being bland asf
placid junco
I still might get SV and break the rule but not 100% committed yet (I could just...
Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve used cash to bypass my families Christmas shopping rule without parents finding out lol
snow oasis
Gen 2 is “I sure can’t wait to go to Kanto to actually use Johto pokemon”
outer eagle
i can't count how many times i lost interest once i reached Kanto despite starting out wanting to clear Red
placid junco
God yeah
sharp kernel
I think Gen 2 had solid designs just too much carefulness in terms of balance, so now we just look at every Pokémon not named heracross as terrible
placid junco
Why did they think it was a good idea locking tons of new mons to the post game
snow oasis
Gen 2 is a lot of interesting concepts covering up a faulty structure
snow oasis
Why did they think it was a good idea locking tons of new mons to the post game
Diamond/Pearl too
crimson moat
Why did they think it was a good idea locking tons of new mons to the post game
Good question, let’s ask BW if they learned that lesson (ok not a ton but you get the idea)
snow oasis
BW is literally the opposite of that
outer eagle
BW "fixed" that by making things evolve extremely late for no reason
placid junco
The opposite extreme of the same problem
last musk
BW "fixed" that by making things evolve extremely late for no reason
And locking you to gen 5 mons
snow oasis
BW was a bold choice but they underestimated the nostalgia factor
I didn’t like BW as a kid bc I wanted to use familiar faces
crimson moat
BW was a bold choice that had excruciating flaws
outer eagle
i honestly don't mind the gen 5 lock but the late evolution part certainly soured the idea when i'm stuck with a bunch of overgrown babies
snow oasis
well I was also 13 so outgrowing pokemon anyways
snow oasis
i honestly don't mind the gen 5 lock but the late evolution part certainly soure...
you don’t like everything evolving at level 40+? 
which wouldn’t be so bad if the main game itself didn’t only go up to the early 50s
last musk
I sure do love... Shitty pigeon, the same monkey with a different head ornament and color scheme 3 times and... Ugly meerkat
outer eagle
like, being able to sweep with Bisharp/Hydreigon/America Bird would have been hype asf
last musk
My favourite
outer eagle
but no
snow oasis
I sure do love... Shitty pigeon, the same monkey with a different head ornament ...
they really fucking overused the elemental monkeys
sharp kernel
Im still of the thought process that gamefreak should have stuck to the idea of limiting the Pokédex to 400-500 Pokémon that fit with the new regions geography, but they let the pressure of the fanbase get to them
snow oasis
the worst part is that if you see one you know that there’s gonna be two other trainers in the same area with the other two
crimson moat
I sure do love... Shitty pigeon, the same monkey with a different head ornament ...
Don’t forget bad stat cat
last musk
There's like 4 mons I like in gen 5
outer eagle
I sure do love... Shitty pigeon, the same monkey with a different head ornament ...
sounds like you should look more than just basic route 1 then
last musk
Don’t forget bad stat cat
How could I forget
snow oasis
Im still of the thought process that gamefreak should have stuck to the idea of ...
You mean gen 5 or dexit?
sharp kernel
Dexit
last musk
sounds like you should look more than just basic route 1 then <:nyaruhodo:873056...
I like other route 1 mons
snow oasis
I liked the idea behind dexit
last musk
I liked johtos route one mons
crimson moat
sounds like you should look more than just basic route 1 then <:nyaruhodo:873056...
That’s the joke, some of what he listed wasn’t even Route 1
snow oasis
they just went about it in the worst possible way
crimson moat
Like you legit cannot catch generic bird til after the first gym
sharp kernel
Sure, that I can agree on, but dexit in general is needed for Pokémon games at some point
snow oasis
Oh BW’s pre-first gym is by far the worst of any game in the series
sharp kernel
PLA has a limited Pokédex doesn’t it? (Never played)
outer eagle
yeah that is universally agreed on
crimson moat
Dexit is fine if the ends justified the means… and they just straight up didn’t in SwSh
snow oasis
Five total pokemon types available, counting the starter and elemental monkey
Guaranteed to be underleveled for first gym unless you’re ONLY training your starter (which will have type disadvantage no matter what)
and if you wanna grind you have to do it on level 4-7 pokemon with Gen 5 exp mechanics
crimson moat
Dexit in gen 8 was to patch a gaping hole in lack of transferable work between 3DS and switch
outer eagle
with online down grinding in BW (not BW2) is a pain during the early game
sharp kernel
Dexit in gen 8 was to patch a gaping hole in lack of transferable work between 3...
Wasn’t this proven not to be true when people found the models of Pokémon that weren’t supposed to be a part of the game through data mining?
snow oasis
but grinding for the first badge is hellish
crimson moat
Wasn’t this proven not to be true when people found the models of Pokémon that w...
Limited number of those models
outer eagle
in a randomizer without Audino tho
Good luck grinding in BW bro
last musk
It doesn't help that gen 5 also has one of the longest openings (winner still goes to gen 6 but still)
crimson moat
Wait what, as in longest opening?
silver vigil
Also beta title screens for the game had like
crimson moat
Like I immediately think of gen 7
last musk
Gen 5 takes a while to get going as in what I meant
silver vigil
Greninja and megas on there
last musk
Gen 7 yeah that's what I meant
silver vigil
Used in development
last musk
I forgot X and y existed for a second
outer eagle
yeah gen 7 should take the cake for the longest start
70% of the first island is spent on the tutorial
snow oasis
It doesn't help that gen 5 also has one of the longest openings (winner still go...
It’s not so bad, takes about 15-20 minutes for the game to stop handholding you and set you free
crimson moat
It takes 20 minutes in SM to get your starter
snow oasis
Opening cinematic, get the pokemon, first battles, get the pokedex, catching tutorial, first route, pokecenter tutorial, meet team plasma, first N fight, get running shoes
about 20 minutes and then the game sets you free
outer eagle
can't be helped that if you emulate shit, then 3ds games are inherently slower than DS games, and gen 7 specifically is extremely slow on emulation
crimson moat
BW2 did cut down on that, but also had Floccesy ranch
crimson moat
And that tm was return too iirc
snow oasis
B2W2 has the slowest early game bc it has pokestar studios and I always spend like 5 hours there
crimson moat
B2W2 has the slowest early game bc it has pokestar studios and I always spend li...
Bruh that’s on you cool guy 
last musk
Oh god the pokestar studios tutorial
snow oasis
I love pokestar studios
outer eagle
Taking 10 minutes out of my day to do Pokestar to get 8 lemonades is extremely worth in challenge run for me so idc honestly
snow oasis
I love all the gimmicky non-battling shit they put in games
crimson moat
I replayed BW2, that tutorial takes 5 minutes tops
crimson moat
We don’t talk about Musical
crimson moat
I much preferred pokestar to contests
I wish they did more with puzzle battling
Even if just a better battle sim from XD
outer eagle
Pokestar gives you tangible rewards every time so it at least has a payoff
Join Avenue is cool to randomly max out something's friendship
or some preliminary EV training as well
last musk
I replayed BW2, that tutorial takes 5 minutes tops
Too long for something optional tbh, I get they want me to check it out, but give me a yes no option
outer eagle
honestly tho one of the bigger reasons i rarely nuzlocke gen 4- is due to how much of a slog it is to farm Shards and Heart Scales for Move Tutor/Relearner
maiden flax
Also cause of how much of a slog it is
bleak pine
Yeah, I can get behind that.
There really wasn't much setup and work needed to do it.
Just take a good drink of a smoothie and ready your stylus
long stone
any le leaks yet ?
mighty storm
not really, should happen any moment tho
people have the games, they just arent leaking anything
outer eagle
Datamining time i guess 🤷♂️
snow oasis
But why
Why do you hate discovering what’s coming so much that you need to see all the surprises leaked ahead of time
outer eagle
About the same reason why anyone has a different taste than others
Some people just hates surprises
Some are meticulous
Some are just extremely jaded and have high expectations
long stone
It doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the game and it's out there i wanna see it.
i'm seeing it anyway so way not now if it's out there.
warm sky
I'm literally not going to get the games any time soon if at all
so I'd get everything spoiled anyway
may as well see how mid the games will be
lucid moth
Why do you hate discovering what’s coming so much that you need to see all the s...
lets be real
nothing in gen 9 seems worth discovering on your own
they will also most definitely just show u rather than let u explore for it
placid junco
placid junco
Yeah
warm sky
Kinda sad that we'll probably never see ultra necrozma in game again
until the inevitable gen 7 remakes
placid junco
Nekrozma is literally just BW kyurem
sharp kernel
Bdsp had 1 cool concept and that was the underground
Everything else about the game was dog shit
golden lance
Bdsp had 1 cool concept and that was the underground
I disagree
Give me my decorations back
snow oasis
Man I fucking loved the Underground in DP when I was a kid
There used to be like 4-5 of us playing Capture the Flag during sleepovers
long stone
Give me my decorations back
that could have been in a better way imo
snow oasis
Elesa? More like El-EASY
tacit sphinx
Elesa? More like El-EASY
Boldore, more like Boldank
sand forge
maiden flax
When will they add a Link Stone
Link cable*
Was in PLA :v
sand forge
Oh nice
mighty storm
cute
long stone
you say cute and i say ew
Imagine all the dirt that accumulates into it...
it's like when you drop slime...
😭
🫠
pseudo goblet
The Baby needs a bath
long stone
have fun getting hair out of it
outer eagle
i'd take the waffle despite not liking Spinda at all
pseudo goblet
@mighty storm thoughts?
|| https://twitter.com/palkiaorigin/status/1587866623528112129?s=46&t=fvRxCBpMOjOGUkHhKkA81w||
pseudo goblet
I saw that earlier but don’t know what it means
pseudo goblet
Dang
mighty storm
How does Ohmori keep doing it
also ||it's my least favorite of the bug mons we getting this game anyways. At least conceptually||
sand forge
you say cute and i say ew
Imagine all the dirt that accumulates into it...
I assume the ditto eats it
bleak pine
Since gen 8 is ending
-who do you think was wasted in SwSh?
-who do you think was the best written?
-who is your favorite?
-Leon or Cynthia? This gen seemed to kind of go against Leon after SwSh (Thanks Volo)
mighty storm
bleak pine
I will forever say that these characters are better if they are in Masters because these guys were just made to interact with eachother
The star tournament also shows this
Everyone has something in common somewhat, no line feels too out of place
golden lance
-who do you think was wasted in SwSh?
-who do you think was the best written?
-w...
Literally everyone,
Piers (not because he's well written, but because everyone else was awful),
Bede,
Cynthia
bleak pine
-who do you think was wasted in SwSh?
-who do you think was the best written?
-w...
For me it would be
-Peony's daughter
-Hop
-Myself
-Fuck Cynthia
bleak pine
Literally everyone,
Piers (not because he's well written, but because everyone e...
I do think Pokemon's biggest issue writing wise is that a lot of chars feel wasted simply due to how little time they get
A common issue with gym leaders imo
golden lance
Gen v made it work, but then again, it was gen v
sand forge
For me it would be
-Peony's daughter
-Hop
-Myself
-Fuck Cynthia
Marry Leon?
golden lance
Still disappointed about how marnie's arc accomplished nothing
bleak pine
Marry Leon?
Yes
golden lance
Like, literally nothing
bleak pine
Gen v made it work, but then again, it was gen v
It do be like
At the very end
And it's still brief
golden lance
It do be like
Nah, the BW2 flashbacks, the small moments like elesa and clay lowering the drawbridge
bleak pine
Oh those
Hmm true I guess
Still wish there was just a bit more
And then again gen 5 was the one where they tried to make the story serious
Now if Gen 5 delivered on this? Dependdsss
bleak pine
It's probably Blue but he had like 3 games to be developed in
Blue was everything lmao
Except an MC
golden lance
E4 member blue when
bleak pine
He was a rival, a gym leader, a champion and a battle facility npc
Oh right nonE4 Blue
Then again he couldn't be
Unless idk a new game brings him back like they did Caitlin
But Caitlin kinda needed to be in the e4 so it wasn't Darach carrying her
This gen was a bit like gen 5 in some aspects
But then again not even gen 5 forgot to give us any Cameos
We literally have the worst meme ever made because of the gen 5 Cynthia fight
"Uuhhh I'm entering this door uuhhh I'm gonna be wrecked"
golden lance
Still better than "omg undefeated charziard" 
bleak pine
I mean at least it made sense one champ would be "the best"
And lore wise it's explained Galar is at a whole new level
bleak pine
I honestly think if Leon was harder people would shut up
But then again making cracked champs has not been a thing since Iris challenge mode
golden lance
Bdsp is right there
last musk
I honestly think if Leon was harder people would shut up
It's not just that though, Cynthia just has better feats
bleak pine
His issue was also having the dragon theme around him, in a gen where dragon is not that strong
bleak pine
Bdsp is right there
It's copy pasted idc
bleak pine
It's not just that though, Cynthia just has better feats
The people around Leon also kind of build Leon up
last musk
Bdsp has updated comp movesets and held items
golden lance
The people around Leon also kind of build Leon up
Hmm yes, because hop fanboying over leon the first 2 hours of the game is comparable to exploring the distortion world and the sinjoh ruins, yep
vagrant steppe
Leon doesn't really have a personality tho
He's just the champ and "bad at directions"
last musk
I think some more scenes with him being casual were needed
twin shard
He also has a brother who’s a punching bag
last musk
Iirc we only see him at the start of the game and then when rose does his plan
vagrant steppe
Hop at least sorta has a personality tho
We only ever see Leon when he's lost or telling us he's gonna go stop the bad guys
bleak pine
Hmm yes, because hop fanboying over leon the first 2 hours of the game is compar...
"If Raihan were to challenge any other champion, he would dethrone them"
vagrant steppe
Leon doesn't really do anything and if you cut him from every scene except the champ battle, the game would feel exactly the same
Cynthia is at least hyped up and lore relevant when she's around
golden lance
"If Raihan were to challenge any other champion, he would dethrone them"
Do we actually see feats that make that believable or is it just a case of "tell, not show"?
last musk
That and she's actively shown as strong and smart
vagrant steppe
Yeah everyone is aware Cynthia is strong
Leon is only strong because they say he is
We never see him do anything
bleak pine
Also dude idk what Cynthia fucking did at the ruins to deserve the praise
placid junco
She was just kind of there
last musk
She held off Cyrus with ease
vagrant steppe
Yeah she beats Cyrus before you show up
bleak pine
And that is impressive?
golden lance
Also dude idk what Cynthia fucking did at the ruins to deserve the praise
Idk dude, being able to directly communicate with God kinda deserves some praise
bleak pine
That sure ain't power
vagrant steppe
The average trainer can't beat Cyrus
vagrant steppe
And Leon literally doesn't battle anyone but us on screen
twin shard
And we’re technically supposed to be way above average
vagrant steppe
The player character is considered an exceptional trainer
bleak pine
Leon was nerfed for Eternatus
vagrant steppe
Every PC is supposed to be well above average
vagrant steppe
Leon was nerfed for Eternatus
????
He's not even in that fight
It's you, Hop, and the dogs
golden lance
I assume he meant the cutscene when leon throws a standard pokeball and fails to catch eternatus
vagrant steppe
Leon apparently can't even beat Rose
maiden flax
Leon fought rose?
last musk
I'm gonna say it, Leon is a more boring volkner
vagrant steppe
Leon either fought him or decided not to in the cutscene
We don't know because we arrive after Leon has given up
bleak pine
He's not even in that fight
You forgot what he did before you show up
maiden flax
Which cutscene was this?
vagrant steppe
The one in the tower
last musk
Volkner shows more emotion and character in that one scene than Leon does the whole game
maiden flax
The only cutscene i remember leon and rose in the same room was when rose was discussing the whole energy problem and they didnt fight, just sort of.. talked
vagrant steppe
Yeah, it's sorta implied they battled before that, but we don't know because whatever happened was off screen
golden lance
You forgot what he did before you show up
Were you going to elaborate on this or?
maiden flax
It did? What?
vagrant steppe
And that's a big issue relating to Leon as a whole
Everything impressive he's supposed to have done happened well before you came around or off screen
There's no sense of him being this unbeatable champ because he's not doing ANYTHING for the whole game
He just gets lost walking in a straight line and they go "haha it's so funny Leon is bad at directions"
golden lance
The actual funny thing is that leon's direction problems could be solved with a compass
Not a map, a compass
Guy literally just needs to know what direction north is and he could go anywhere
vagrant steppe
And that's his only character trait
maiden flax
Speaking of swsh's story, it was more well done in the adventures/special manga
Though those have had the problem where they have had to rush through the story so much due to time constraints (especially noticable in the su/mo one)
Swsh one was interesting as they have the idiot celebrity duo be part of the story since the start and have them attempt to fight eternatus cause they believe they are the "heroes"
maiden flax
First time ive seen someone like alder as a champion
twin shard
The best champion is Blue
You spent the full game fighting him and seeing him grow and he reaches your goal before you
maiden flax
Though the gen 5 gym leaders are the most well developed simply cause they are relevent to the story
last musk
Also with the new anime lore, Cynthia absolutely should've been able to use natural mega evolution
golden lance
The major problem imo is that his bw1 fight was post game, and his bw2 fight was in one version, and gets outshadowed by the fact that iris is the other version's champ
warm sky
https://twitter.com/PhillyBeatzU/status/1587898535718027267/photo/1 @vagrant steppe good news
they actually made the game less empty
maiden flax
they actually made the game less empty
We saw this in the jpn overviw trailer too
long stone
looks pmuch the same to me
not really that big of a change tbh
maiden flax
As noted from previous trailers the english version seems to be running in an older build
golden lance
"Hmm yes let's remove the overworld textures, surely that will generate hype for the game"
maiden flax
Likely due to the translation team having to work with an older build
warm sky
Wtf is the pr team doing
nothing.
Bro, if dexit can't fucking tank the series nothing can
vagrant steppe
https://twitter.com/PhillyBeatzU/status/1587898535718027267/photo/1 <@1872962118...
Oh hey it looks a bit better
warm sky
They don't need PR
vagrant steppe
It's not a huge change and the game doesn't look great, but if they did a lot of that, it won't be a bunch of barren nothing
maiden flax
"Hmm yes let's remove the overworld textures, surely that will generate hype for...
Its very obviously isnt on purposed though
As mentioned before its very likely that the translation team has to work with an older build than the development team so the english trailers tend to look more bare due to that
vagrant steppe
I mean, the game comes out in a month
I can't see the trailers being that far behind
Considering development has probably been mostly done for a while now
maiden flax
Development build > development trailer build > translation build > translation trailer build is likely how things look like in terms of age
vagrant steppe
Yeah but they're likely not actively working on the game now
Or at least not the non-dlc
It's probably been finished for a while, since again, it comes out next month
maiden flax
Right now is probably just polish and bug fixes yeah
vagrant steppe
Oh not even next month
maiden flax
Since polish and bug fixes are things which are still worked on even after release
vagrant steppe
It comes out in 2 weeks
golden lance
Time is passing pope
golden lance
Since polish and bug fixes are things which are still worked on even after relea...
Sadly tbh
maiden flax
Just like most games (like PLA) we will likely have a day 1 patch
Which would be the stuff that was worked on after shipment
maiden flax
Bdsp was a complete mess lol
golden lance
At least it's made on unity
maiden flax
Making it easily moddable?
golden lance
Kinda goes to show that the one good thing the game has going for it is that other people can make it an enjoyable experience instead of a cash grab
Yea
warm sky
https://twitter.com/PkScept/status/1588191772563234817 @silver vigil remember this one from months ago
shame, I will miss her
golden lance
Ngl
Still finding it weird why they're being so secretive with the starters recently
bleak pine
It isn't weird at all
golden lance
We didn't get the gen 8 starters before release either, right?
bleak pine
Remember the backlash revealing everything in ORAS got
golden lance
That was SuMo
bleak pine
Then again in gen 7 they did show the starter
Starters*
Nah it was ORAS too
SuMo was slightly stingier
golden lance
Oras just showed the mega evos no?
bleak pine
No
It revealed the Delta Episode too
And like
Every change
Korokoro was just a small part of it too
In SuMo I think they didn't reveal all the new mons
In USUM there wasn't much to reveal
In SwSh they got stingier due to this
maiden flax
Also yeah it was SuMo where people complained about too much
golden lance
Yea
bleak pine
Nah ORAS had complaints too
golden lance
From what i remember we had 80% of alola's dex before leaks
bleak pine
That one was literally everything
maiden flax
As someone who loves spoilers it physically hurts how little they show off now
maiden flax
From what i remember we had 80% of alola's dex before leaks
We had all but the UBs and necrozma iirc
golden lance
We had all but the UBs and necrozma iirc
Nah
bleak pine
Crabominabke
golden lance
Some random evos were missing
golden lance
The stuff missing was like
Necrozma, kartana, celesteela, and mons like crabominable
maiden flax
As someone who likes spoilers
Surrounded by people who don't
Its always hard to talk about certain things
golden lance
We didn't got The Pex™️ revealed before the games, did we?
warm sky
God, I really need the starter leaks
maiden flax
We didn't got The Pex™️ revealed before the games, did we?
Pretty sure we did
maiden flax
Is Johto Quagsire transferrable?
Probably
bleak pine
No one knew how much of a pain it would be
maiden flax
Not sure
bleak pine
No one really guesses how strong stuff can be before release
maiden flax
^
golden lance
No one really guesses how strong stuff can be before release
Not exactly
maiden flax
Speaking of speculations
golden lance
Have you seen the amount of people doomering about cyclizer?
bleak pine
Idk if they revealed it but they missed some other mons like the Tapus I think
maiden flax
Heavy duty boots
bleak pine
Have you seen the amount of people doomering about cyclizer?
Yeah it's doomering
But the sub could be strong
maiden flax
When that got leaked there was so much discussion about it
But no one predicted blissey to start using it
golden lance
Still think it's stats will suck
I mean, it's less cyclizer itself but the fact that ||the cover legends will probaly also be able to use the move||
maiden flax
Yeah people are panicking too much about cylizer
bleak pine
Wait it's a move?
The legends will be Ubers anyways
So not an issue for OU or lower
And I think they won't be AG unless people start running pseudo-sub strats on a lotta mons
Other than that nothing seems that meta relevant so fair
BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE MONS ARE STILL UNEVOLVED
I bet Lechonk's evo will hurt it
Honestly, at this point I just learned to stay away from the subreddit
It's like, 50% doomering and 50% just art
50% peak posts like
maiden flax
That said armorouge will likely be at least semi relevent due to special fire close combat
bleak pine
Donphan is a good elephant and I will not put up with such slander
This guy said Donphan sucks because it's his fav
People think favs are never meta
Go ask Ren how this makes any sense.
He'll introduce you to a certain pink extraterrestrial
Me with my Gmax Duraludon knowing damn well his only niche was being a counter to IndeeHat
bleak pine
He'll introduce you to a certain pink extraterrestrial
Clefairy is actually an alien?
Likely so
It's believed they came from the moon!
But, yes, it actually is in the anime
I don't see the dex entry
pseudo goblet
It’s been a thing for some time now, pretty much since gen 1 lol