Pokemon

[fading stratus]

Only thing I'm hoping is they don't do dirty to dragonite

It's been losing a lot of games recently

[pseudo goblet]

Guessing she’s against Dragapult, hard chance

[fading stratus]

[pseudo goblet]

Mr.Rime vs Lucario feels odd 🤨

IF Leon likes to no-switch, while Ash constantly switching, Lucario is Ash’s best chance against Mr.Rime

[mighty storm]

definitely too much yugioh on the mind when I read that as Ash Blossom

[pseudo goblet]

Would it be better if I call him Satoshi lmao

[mighty storm]

yeah

[pseudo goblet]

I watch Subs anyway, also yes, that’s Ash’s Japanese names for those who didn’t know

[mighty storm]

yup

[mighty storm]

https://youtu.be/Enu-OoIfTc0

Not clickbait, he did

[placid junco]

Well at least he had the decency to not put spoilers in the thumbnail

Unless slakoth wasn’t previously confirmed

[last musk]

2 hours is enough to grind for a starter Evo right

Probably disabled the evolutions

[placid junco]

It is really weird that between this and SWSH they get so hush hush about the starters

[last musk]

They might be trying to replicate the feeling of the old games by keeping the evolutions secret so you have to find out for yourself

But I doubt we don't find out what they are before the game launches

[placid junco]

That’s kinda what I like about it, but I don’t really mind them showing the mid evolutions

It’s still better than SUMO/XY where they showed off basically everything

[mighty storm]

😮 when you ride on your raidon like a bike and initiate battle, you still are on your raidon.

[placid junco]

Well that’s a minor detail that’s nice

[last musk]

send it into battle
You are still riding it
Die to Draco meteor
Save data erases

[mighty storm]

also yes the pun was intentional

[pseudo goblet]

The disappointment im feeling towards my team members right now is indescribable

I got a freaking quitter, a venasaur that’s feels like a noob, and a ‘commander’ that constantly giving orders tho at least they seem competent enough, I really need to get back to the top ranks asap…

[golden lance]

implying it gets better at top ranks

[pseudo goblet]

Yeah it’s only A BIT better, players somehow got into top rank yet they act like total noobs are definitely the worst

[mighty storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt1nFvmtoHM&ab_channel=Bismix

[pseudo goblet]

Accurate

[warm sky]

the trainer battles are all optional now

How do you find a way to make a game even easier

[maiden flax]

https://youtu.be/e9mA1ZXH-Y0

[maiden flax]

So has serebii :v

[outer eagle]

hey level scaling could have alleviated how easy it is, but nope

[warm sky]

Level scaling is too hard, please understand small indie company

[mighty storm]

Alright but Joe Merrick's voice annoys me, and I am prefer Philly's content

[maiden flax]

Oh hey pokemon now has the auto heal feature some jrpgs have (the one where you press a button to auto use items to heal)

[warm sky]

Wiglett evo leak

Idk name, but calling it Wugtrio

[outer eagle]

[pseudo goblet]

||so, which one of the head should be named Kevin||

||the stripes is actually making me feeling uncomfortable, anyone else feeling it too?||

[maiden flax]

People unsure if real

[outer eagle]

i don't do well with worms

and these are giving me some real ptsd rn

[pseudo goblet]

Irl bugs in general for my case

[fading stratus]

This looks just weird for me

[outer eagle]

just imagine these slowly wiggling towards you during the night

[maiden flax]

https://youtu.be/a9b3MBOdA-w

The preciew event is giving some onteresting details

[mighty storm]

not sure if real, I hope it is

https://twitter.com/soulsilverart/status/1583456594695626753

SoulSilverArt (@soulsilverart)

Yooooo riding around on #miraidon looks so fun! Seamless changing forms. SO MUCH better then how we had to swap sometimes in PLA. Apparently you also stay mounted on the legendary Pokémon when initiate a battle and you stay seated in them the whole time! #PokemonScarletViolet

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Miraidon is SMOOTH with the form changes

[mighty storm]

well its an eel

[outer eagle]

then maybe make it look like one

[mighty storm]

it does tho

also

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfmRLc_XkAEv8So?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfmRp-0XEAAsuQl?format=png&name=900x900

👀 coins?

collectamon like spiritomb?

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1583456691739193345

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Another feature returning from Legends: you can change your Pokemon's moves at any time from the menu.

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YESSSSSS

note, was said in videos from previews despite centro's name

[placid junco]

said officially?

[mighty storm]

yes

[placid junco]

okay, cool

[outer eagle]

pretty sure the head of an eel is not a perfect circle

[mighty storm]

https://i.insider.com/5eb01cab204ad365802a0487?width=1136&format=jpeg

[outer eagle]

so not circle?

[warm sky]

Wow almost like it's a fantasy creatures

[outer eagle]

yes

and if we talk about fantasy then saying it's based on anything is preferences

you can't have it both ways

[mighty storm]

its inspired by garden eels

that's why its long and wiggly and water type

and literally called the garden eel pokemon

[outer eagle]

long and wiggly and belongs in water? surely eels are the only thing that fit the bill.

[mighty storm]

and vibes in the sand, poking its cute head out

[outer eagle]

"cute"

[mighty storm]

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/garden-eel.jpg

how is that not cute, look at those lil eyes

[outer eagle]

ok but i'm talking about the pokemon

it looks ugly af

[mighty storm]

do you call diglett ugly?

[outer eagle]

dugtrio is one of those simplistic designs that the less you see the better

making something that closely resembles dugtrio yet giving you a lot more vantage area makes the design look really ugly

[mighty storm]

my planned team

I hope they dont make the mouse couple genderless, let them be female

[outer eagle]

white mouse

[fading stratus]

Play a blind nuzlocke coward

First time

[maiden flax]

I find it funny that pokemon now has the auto heal function

[fading stratus]

So you don't need a planned team

[outer eagle]

every time i play a randomized nuzlocke it's the same as playing a blind nuzlocke

[fading stratus]

Randomised nuzlocke is funny when you get shit like moxie slaking

[maiden flax]

I heard randomized nuzlockes go either one of two ways
Your opponent has either a groudon or a sunkern

[outer eagle]

sometimes you get some cool unique but not overpowered stuffs like Delta Stream Staraptor

[fading stratus]

Some randomiser tend to have opponent's mon's difficulty depending on the actual team so it'd be balanced

[outer eagle]

also, i have always wanted to use Lucario in my nuzlocke but every time it's either too late into the locke that it's outclassed or it's BST is just too low to consider

[fading stratus]

I once had dark void flamethrower earthquake hurricane swellow iirc as the first encounter

[outer eagle]

i mean

it's a swellow

nice base 85 Sp.ATK

[maiden flax]

How did PLA nuzlockes work?

[outer eagle]

i don't do any gen 8 nuzlocke so idk

[maiden flax]

Cause im wondering how SV ones will work

Since no random encounters

[fading stratus]

It's 75 spa ryu

[outer eagle]

even worse

also, it's not exactly correct to say that i don't do any teambuilding either

cuz by gym 5 i'd already have an entire doc of available choices and their stats

Look at this shit

[fading stratus]

Wonder guard regice

If only ice wasn't one of the worst defensive types

[outer eagle]

ice is fine when you have Drizzle Regigigas in the lead

Lucario looks so cool but its effective BST is just barely 400

that puts it on the same level as Whiscash in a randomized run

[fading stratus]

That's why you play a mixed attacker set

[outer eagle]

that doesn't really matter tbh

you can also just as easily build yourself a set that relies exactly on one side

so either way, one of your offensive stat is wasted

[fading stratus]

Forgot if it learns nasty plot

[outer eagle]

it does iirc

but again, randomizer

[fading stratus]

Yeah

[outer eagle]

this is even worse in randomizer tbh because you're more than likely to have Lucario learn some broken setup move

like Quiver Dancer/DDance/SD

and thus completely ignore the other stat

[fading stratus]

Yeah

110/115

[outer eagle]

oh yeah

Shift Gear

it's a Steel Type so it has a propensity to learn that as well

[fading stratus]

3 shift gear probably sweeps through most teams with its monstrous atk

[outer eagle]

you'd surprised

some mons are pretty tanky all things considered

and most of the time i cba to EV train properly

cuz that part's boring as shit

[fading stratus]

Yeah it's wacky

[outer eagle]

most E4 challenge devolves into "Lead with your setup sweeper gg"

[fading stratus]

Randomiser are kinda weird because you never know when a beedrill activates precipes blade and otks your lucario while you're setuping

[outer eagle]

that does happen occasionally yeah

but that's why you always lead with your tankiest mon with the fewest weaknesses

or when you're unsure, switch to him

USUM randomizer is always funny to me

cuz Ultra Necrozma is so far above the level cap that typically you'd just get swept

but the game does provide you with one guaranteed broken item that often times trivializes the fight

except for that one time where i had to face a universal +3 Mega-Mewtwo-X and got my shit kicked in

[vagrant steppe]

Wait are you serious?

Holy shit

[warm sky]

yes

[crimson moat]

I mean surprisingly, it's Gamefreak making something optional

I don't think that's bad of a change tbh

[vagrant steppe]

The one thing that shouldn't be lmao

[warm sky]

non-optional trainer battles add challenge

[vagrant steppe]

Yup

[crimson moat]

I think the problem now is that they've lowered the skill floor to the ground and the skill ceiling is still low af

[warm sky]

bro the skill floor is all the way down to australia

and the ceiling for singleplayer is just high enough the average 10 year old can reach it by standing on their toes

[crimson moat]

The fact that EXP Share is mandatory but trainer battles aren't is really stupid

[vagrant steppe]

The highest ceiling is usually a guy that's like level 50 at best and has no hold items

[outer eagle]

honestly tho, the fact that the trainer himself can just spam items over and over lowers the ceiling a whole lot

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah true. The npcs get 2 at best with no hold items

[crimson moat]

The fact that we have a better automated EXP system that still intakes EXP Share itself is also really stupid

[warm sky]

if you want a tough monster collector that isn't smt, may I recomend monster sanctuary?

[vagrant steppe]

I still need to beat monster sanctuary

[outer eagle]

at least make it like, for every item you use the opposing Leader/E4/Champion gets 1 same item

[crimson moat]

(Yes, the automated battle system still applies EXP Share)

[vagrant steppe]

Also just give bosses fucking hold items

[warm sky]

same, I got my ass kicked so bad I might as well restart lmao

[vagrant steppe]

And level scaling

[vagrant steppe]

Same. Hit the alchemist and I feel like I hit a wall because I didn't strategize enough

[warm sky]

they should've given ultra necrozma a life orb tbh

[vagrant steppe]

I should probably start over and try and beat him

[warm sky]

but tbh I'm just trying to beat all routes of digimon survive rn

[mighty storm]

yes, we are getting a white mice couple

[warm sky]

got 2/4 routes done

[vagrant steppe]

I'm finishing up great ace attorney 2

[warm sky]

just need to do the true ending and vaccine route

[outer eagle]

but it already is holding Ultra-necronium-z

[vagrant steppe]

They removed trainers moving around in the battle

Unfortunate

[warm sky]

Should've gone the PLA way I feel

[outer eagle]

well can't let trainers just escape the battle ig

[warm sky]

with the bandits

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah honestly just take the PLA engine and make the main game work in it

I wouldn't have minded it not being open world if it was actually good

[maiden flax]

As much as i like PLA i really dont want the games to just be PLA

[bleak pine]

Alright, now I'm gonna like, just stop viewing the channel

No spoilers for me, be they fake or real

[mighty storm]

There are sandwiches that boost shiny odds

time to actually use a cooking feature, unlike curry which was mid

https://youtu.be/Jpw7bE3YejQ

[bleak pine]

Shinies are not special anymore and we should be getting more colors soon

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah I'm honestly kinda disappointed with how much shit makes it easier to get shinies now

[outer eagle]

imma be real shinites were not special tbw

[placid junco]

they were cool but not special

[crimson moat]

If anything needs to happen with shinies, it's recoloring the ones that look bad

Still salty the Original Stitch Marshtomp shirt has a better coloring than the coloring the Swampert family actually got for shiny

[silver vigil]

I might be rich

[placid junco]

pretty much any gamecube game in a box in playable condition is money yeah

[vagrant steppe]

Lmao so apparently these are items. As in, items rendered in the overworld are a little sparkle and that's it

I guess I shouldn't expect gamefreak to make models for items, but at least the pla berries had models

[outer eagle]

Miraidon best ridable let's goo

[mighty storm]

source?

[vagrant steppe]

They mentioned it during the video apparently

I dunno, I haven't watched it and I'm out, but that's what people are saying

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/Light_88_/status/1583456914934968323

Light (@Light_88_)

They did not mention in any moment what are those shiny items on the floor, guys are these the coins we have to collect? #svleaks 🪙

Twitter · Oct 21, 2022, 1:55 PM

also apparently terablast is 80 base power

better hidden power

[vagrant steppe]

One color is TMs

Wait it's 80? Jesus

Is it physical or special?

[outer eagle]

oh good TMs aren't just literal Pokeball lying on the ground anymore

it's physical or special depending on which of your offensive stat's higher

[vagrant steppe]

Oh shit that's gonna be sorta fucky

Especially with 3x stab

[mighty storm]

both, depends on your higher offensive stats

[vagrant steppe]

Gen 9 is gonna be lots of sweepers

[mighty storm]

also apparently you keep your regular stab when you switch to a different type teratype

[vagrant steppe]

Wait what? Why

[outer eagle]

but WHYYYYYYYYY

[vagrant steppe]

Man Tera sounds unbalanced as hell

[crimson moat]

Yeah the boost it gave to a same type Tera was already ridiculous. If that part is true Tera is even stupider

[mighty storm]

https://youtu.be/Enu-OoIfTc0?t=614

[outer eagle]

wait so if you Tera into a Monotype you still get STAB on the type you lost?

based on that wording

[mighty storm]

you get more of a boost if same type

[vagrant steppe]

If that's the case this is fucking ridiculous then

Yeah we knew about the 3x boost

[mighty storm]

you get a second/third stab if new type

[crimson moat]

We knew about it

[vagrant steppe]

What the FUCK

Whhhyyy

[outer eagle]

yeah literally no reason to not Tera STAB anymore

Dual types aren't afraid of losing one STAB either

[mighty storm]

aka adaptability
or triple stab (double if your using this with a monotype)

[vagrant steppe]

I mean, there's no downside to terra at all now

Since you don't lose stab on the typings you lose

Jesus Fuck Terra is gonna be unbalanced as hell then

[mighty storm]

so if tyranitar terrastalizes to ghost, it has
Ghost's weaknesses and immunities
AND has stab for ghost, dark, and rock

[crimson moat]

Yeah I was rooting for Tera to be healthier than Dynamax but the way it handles boosted moves throws all that out

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah that's stupid as fuck

[outer eagle]

Dual Types will prefer Tera same type cuz they usually already have good coverage with their Dual STABs
Some monotypes like Kyogre that prefers to spam exactly 1 move (Specs mons for example) will also Tera STAB

[mighty storm]

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/e/e3/HOME901_s.png/200px-HOME901_s.png

[outer eagle]

the only mons that would Tera to a completely different type are exactly monotypes without good spammable moves and has a wide movepool

[mighty storm]

your god now

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah Obstagoon and Ursaluna are gonna be PROBLEMATIC

[crimson moat]

Defensive mons would too, just to checkmate on coverage.

But that is so much less likely if stab sticks when changing type

[vagrant steppe]

But terra sweepers are gonna be hell

Iirc you don't use a hold item right?

Like terra isn't hold item based

[crimson moat]

Tera sweeping sounds way more important than trying to use Tera to checkmate an opponent

[outer eagle]

tera isn't item

[vagrant steppe]

Jesus Fuck

[outer eagle]

Tera sweeping is game winning

Tera stall is just buying time

That's the distinction

[crimson moat]

If Tera didn’t have this shitty boost crap it would have been loads more balanced than Dynashit

[vagrant steppe]

Terra sweeping sounds WAY too game winning

Like you've gotta IMMEDIATELY check the terra or you lose

[crimson moat]

Now, I can’t decide if Tera or Dyna is more toxic

[sleek sky]

Do we have a source on 80 BP Tera Blast? Also is it always 80 BP or just post-terastelize?

[outer eagle]

Dynamax have toxic secondary effects
But they also provide double health

so hard to say

[vagrant steppe]

Are you at least able to tell what terra types the opponent mons have before they sweep

[outer eagle]

idt we know yet

[sleek sky]

You could make educated guesses

But I don't think anything is revealed

[vagrant steppe]

Or do you have to find out when they start murdering shit

[mighty storm]

a person who was at Nintendo

[outer eagle]

you can certainly make educated guesses yeah

[crimson moat]

Yeah Dynamax threw out checks and counters by giving way too big a buffer in HP and then provide latent buffs

[vagrant steppe]

I know you can make educated guesses, but you've gotta make 6x18 educated guesses

[mighty storm]

and they just said "terablast is 80 base"

[sleek sky]

Is it in a tweet?

[mighty storm]

gimme a sec

[crimson moat]

This, as what is currently being circulated about Tera, makes the mechanic way too offensive-heavy

[sleek sky]

Just something I can point to when I make that claim

[outer eagle]

80 is the bare minimum for a spammable generic move that's supposed to support a primary mechanic

it sounds reasonable

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah but remember that EVERY Mon gets it

[mighty storm]

https://twitter.com/sierradawnx3/status/1583558492325314560?t=K4vZ2MvpcNWHYNxXs2gZxQ&s=19

sierra dawn (@sierradawnx3)

Tera Blast is 80 base power

Twitter · Oct 21, 2022, 8:39 PM

[outer eagle]

well yeah, because the new mechanic is universal

[vagrant steppe]

And also it's whatever stat is higher

[outer eagle]

yes, again, because this is a move designed as a patchwork for a universal mechanic

[vagrant steppe]

Man, competitive is gonna be WACK this gen

[sleek sky]

grazie

[outer eagle]

can't be worse than getting swept by Dynamax Gyarados

or reverse swept by Ditto

[vagrant steppe]

Probably not, but also doesn't sound very fun when every sweeper just gets to be insane

[outer eagle]

Still find it hard to believe that the meta was so broken at one point that fucking Ditto had Landorus-tier usage

marshadow in Ubers spamming Tera Ghost Spectral Thief sounds kinda toxic tbh

[crimson moat]

Mimikyu being OU simply because it could stall out Dynamax

Hawlucha being OU simply because it was the best Dynamax counter to a Ditto reverse sweep

Ditto being, as Ryuji stated, Lando-tier due to Dynamax boosts

Yeah and if that part about STAB retention from Tera is true, I have to take back what I said about stuff like Ghost T-Tar being a meme

Because now, there would be no offensive penalty to Tera-typing T-Tar

You still lose out on Sandstorm SDef boost, but you still have all your offensive power and a move you can pivot to

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah, there's no downside to basically anything terra now

[outer eagle]

with how jank the mechanic seems to be they might actually let it retain the SpDef boost tbh

[crimson moat]

Tera Rock Ttar gets boost applied again

[outer eagle]

i know Fairy exists but honestly Dark is already an extremely spammable offensive type all things considered

[mighty storm]

decidueye and mimikyu day 1 btw

https://youtu.be/Enu-OoIfTc0?t=276

https://tenor.com/view/aaa-rowlet-screaming-shouting-mouth-open-gif-15162312

[placid junco]

https://fxtwitter.com/Lewchube/status/1583511972183965696?t=49KhckWfeewPtSwVsNbM9A&s=19

It’s okay

Just kind of okay

[last musk]

It's very low energy

[outer eagle]

Why does Amarouge remind of that one Megaman character

[mighty storm]

they both do

https://preview.redd.it/l3fczropykm91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e645205a71954d03dab11d22885d5d7363f0013c

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcHUmC1XgAA_jQC?format=jpg&name=small

(Fancreated shinies)

[long stone]

ugly

[mighty storm]

If Ceruledge gets protoman shiny, I wanna hunt one

[long stone]

keep these digimon away from my pokemon game

[placid junco]

Talk to lucario first

[long stone]

idk what's that, i don't think it exist

[warm sky]

They're Mega Man Battle Network characters, not Digimon smh

Also Digimon designs rule

Who can hate Gundramon

[long stone]

1 i know
2 same thing.

you telling me that mega man can't be a digimon

[warm sky]

Yes

Now Medabots on the other hand can be and already are Digimon

[last musk]

Megaman exes can absolutely be digimon

[warm sky]

well by lore

not really by design imho

[maiden flax]

It being 80 was expected cause it only changes type after tera

[maiden flax]

Wait so who was the one who said they have all 3 stabs?

[mighty storm]

PhillyBeatzu

https://youtu.be/Enu-OoIfTc0?t=614

[maiden flax]

I see..

[placid junco]

Wheeee I fucking love seeing people upload YouTube shorts like “reacting to Sprigatito evolutions” and just having it right in the thumbnail
Gotta love content creators with absolutely no spoiler courtesy

[fading stratus]

We know sprigatito evolution?

[young river]

reivew copies are going out so alot of spoilers are gonna get uploaded

[placid junco]

Probably that yeah

Assuming it’s even real

[pseudo goblet]

Unite Team with a Hoopa bringing Atk Up huh, this is interesting, one way or another…

Oh cool, all class in one team

HAHA!!! 4 min surrender! MAN that felt good!

[bleak pine]

All SV protags are non bi

[last musk]

Can you link me the short

[pseudo goblet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/swIfmxG7SuM?feature=share

[fading stratus]

Monkey

[placid junco]

No

I didn’t watch ut

[mighty storm]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[vagrant steppe]

On the bright side the evos haven't been leaked yet

So whatever you saw is fake

[placid junco]

Cool

[outer eagle]

waiting for the Grass starter this time to have a Protean-adjacent ability

[vagrant steppe]

You mean literally renamed Protean

[placid junco]

Nah protean but it becomes A type that resists the opponents attacking type

Because grass types “are defensive”

[fading stratus]

Grass starter will have thick fat

Trust

[sharp kernel]

The best is when they have thick fat

While being 4x weak to the types thick fat affects

[warm sky]

Already leaked that ||it isn't protean||

[sharp kernel]

I’m not sure what started I’m going to go, but water and grass look like they’re going to end up being humanoid types based on their design

So I might be forced to go fire starter for the first time since Gen 2

[vagrant steppe]

I'm really hoping quaxly becomes Don Quiote

[placid junco]

I’m going for Fuecoco

[vagrant steppe]

Same if I buy it

But I probably won't

[fading stratus]

I'll probably play it eventually just not on release

[warm sky]

well starter leaks say that
Sprigatito ||does become humanoid||
Quaxly ||Will remain bipedal obv, but isn't don quixote||
And Fuecoco ||be more like typhlosion where it can switch between quad and biped||

[mighty storm]

Fuecoco also is ||a Jazz Crocodile, AND even more typhlosion cuz they fire/ghost||

AND has a ||bird shaped fire on it's head, middle stage has an egg on their head||

[vagrant steppe]

That sounds like 3 different designs

[mighty storm]

I mean not really they just a || quadped crocodile with a phoenix on their head who occasionally stands up to sing some jazz.||

[warm sky]

https://twitter.com/yoshi_moco1/status/1370396301729308674/photo/1 @eager sentinel I don't trust her around any pokémon

よし (@yoshi_moco1)

アシリパさん シンオウ地方へ行く

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She's going to turn them into citatap

[eager sentinel]

Oh 10000%

Asirpa knows how to survive tho

[warm sky]

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1583877586685304832?t=tLRhAKG-N6ms7IHD43qOWQ&s=19

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Here's how Terastal will work.

We originally thought that the original STAB was lost when changing to a different Teratype, but that's not the case. All STABs are preserved.

Terastal simulator:
https://t.co/RxmEqhmOlH

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Twitter · Oct 22, 2022, 5:46 PM

That's... Wild

[vocal torrent]

Huh?

[fading stratus]

It still gets adaptability boost to regular type being tera right?

[outer eagle]

we don't know if it's adaptability or w/e

but it does get the extra boost yes

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah this is absolutely fucked

[outer eagle]

we'll probably get visual confirmation on damage increase within the next week

at this point any "build not final" argument is completely worthless

[vagrant steppe]

Man it's a good thing there's 0 good mons with adaptability now that megas are dead

Get that 3x stab

[fading stratus]

Porygon Z

[outer eagle]

wrong channel sry

[warm sky]

Basically
TTar into a ghost type would have the defensive typing of pure ghost, ghost stab - but also keep dark and rock stab

while if you went pure rock ttar, you'd lose the dark typing's defenses, but gain an adaptability boost

well we hope it's only 2x

[outer eagle]

we also don't know about the jankier interactions with terra as well

[warm sky]

but it could be 3x

[outer eagle]

like, does the sandstorm boost retain after terra

we don't know

[warm sky]

3x will fuck the meta

Yeah I was wondering how sandstorm works with ttar

[outer eagle]

2.25 will probably still fuck the meta nonetheless

[warm sky]

Because it would be shit to lose the stat boost to your defenses in sandstorm

but man, this is gonna create some major coverage bullshit

or just bullshit cleanup sweepers

[outer eagle]

imagine losing both the Sp.Def boost and being forced to take 1/16 of your health every turn

[warm sky]

God ye lmao

Like imagine a moxie mon with also adaptability tbh

Like iirc sandile is in right?

Imagine scarf krookodile terratyped into ground

[outer eagle]

oh god Terra Knock Off

[warm sky]

Ttar Terra Knock off

or ig weavile

[outer eagle]

weavile'd spam Beat Up instead

[warm sky]

hell krook ig can go dark too yeah lmao

Just you'd get clapped

on the other hand

if I saw a fucking steel toxapex

[fading stratus]

Moxie salamence
Reject intimidate

[outer eagle]

that base 100 Speed is really fucking with Mence

[mighty storm]

basically yes

[warm sky]

scarf

I mean imagine getting hit by adaptability dual wingbeat

from mence

and then he also gets moxie

[mighty storm]

you go from 1.5 to an additional +0.5 so adaptability

aka x 2.0

[outer eagle]

leakers keep using vague descriptions for no reason

2x STAB

[warm sky]

we'll see the full details when the game is out anyway

I'm likely only gonna use showdown for gen 9 anyway

[outer eagle]

ok is it 2x on top of STAB, STAB (1.5x) twice, or 2x after STAB

[warm sky]

I hope ceruledge is decent in whatever tier it ends up in

[warm sky]

Like if it's PU, at the least be a good mon

[mighty storm]

simplified, you have adaptability

[outer eagle]

ceruledge probably is steel

[mighty storm]

for your teratype if original

[outer eagle]

steel types mostly have a niche anyways

[mighty storm]

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/e/e3/HOME901_s.png/200px-HOME901_s.png

your god now

[fading stratus]

Ursaluna's speed would be it's downfall
Else it can 2HKO anything in OU

[warm sky]

confirmed fire ghost tho

like not even a leak

[mighty storm]

Me when I have an Ursaluna shiny

[outer eagle]

damn

how does one look like a mecha and isn't steel

[mighty storm]

cuz its a ghost warrior

[last musk]

I just realized

[mighty storm]

Also Miraidon is|| dragon/electric|| type

[last musk]

I will now terra type shedinja

[mighty storm]

Not in the game

[last musk]

Boooooo

[mighty storm]

to calm the fears

[warm sky]

don't worry

we'll likely have natdex ou

so showdown to the rescue

[fading stratus]

Shedninja which isn't even in the game

[mighty storm]

oh and koraidon is|| dragon/fighting ||btw

[outer eagle]

damn that typing is ass

||dragon electric|| is so much cooler

[vocal torrent]

Owo

[warm sky]

spoiler that

typing is still not official

[mighty storm]

So either ||zekrom|| typing or ||Komm-o|| typing

[outer eagle]

we can guess that Miraidon is special as well

while korai is physical

[outer eagle]

spamming Volt Switch in Ubers while occasionally dropping Dracos is nice

meanwhile Koraidon's just going to get murdered by the deer

[mighty storm]

Me about to swerve in the cooler bike form

[vagrant steppe]

Iirc isn't it 3x

[outer eagle]

we don't know

nothing's about the damage's been confirmed yet

[vagrant steppe]

The math off the trailer was 3

[last musk]

It's crazy how violet just clears

[outer eagle]

we had visual cues off the previous trailer yes

but damage range and "build not final" things

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah but 3x looks the most likely rn

[mighty storm]

also the form switch transitions, bloody beautiful

[outer eagle]

i foresee a significant amount of the playerbase just choosing Violet just for how smooth Miraidon is to ride compared to Koraidon

[vagrant steppe]

Note this also comes from a fixed demo

[mighty storm]

true

also

https://twitter.com/soulsilverart/status/1583456594695626753

SoulSilverArt (@soulsilverart)

Yooooo riding around on #miraidon looks so fun! Seamless changing forms. SO MUCH better then how we had to swap sometimes in PLA. Apparently you also stay mounted on the legendary Pokémon when initiate a battle and you stay seated in them the whole time! #PokemonScarletViolet

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[vagrant steppe]

And in pvp and gyms the recharge thing likely doesn't come up

[mighty storm]

so smooth

[vagrant steppe]

That's definitely not seamless

Better than the animation for switching mons in PLA

But it's still clunkyish

[mighty storm]

one of my only peeves about PLA, changing my mount. The flute noise is stuck in my head

[vagrant steppe]

And it tanks the frame rate lmao

[mighty storm]

demo build though

also

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfmTPUBaYAAnyRh?format=jpg&name=medium

Speed boost on the starmobile 👀 !?

[vagrant steppe]

Demo build is likely 99% the same as the final build

This game comes out next month

[mighty storm]

tru

[vagrant steppe]

It's surprising how much the footage shows this game running like shit when the environment is empty AF

[warm sky]

this is why I'm instead getting sonic frontiers

[outer eagle]

5fps Sunflora do be janky

[warm sky]

well not immediately

I need to finish survive and mgrr

and then do persona 5 r

after that I'll get frontiers

[outer eagle]

you don't need to finish mgrr to understand "the memes"

[warm sky]

Yeah but I need to actually defeat the meme guy

I already am at his stage

[outer eagle]

[warm sky]

I never learned how to parry btw

[outer eagle]

welp

[warm sky]

the game is really bad at teaching it

[outer eagle]

you gonna learn today

[warm sky]

so shit is gonna come

like a flood of pain

[outer eagle]

[mighty storm]

POV new OU meta

[vagrant steppe]

I'm honestly surprised how much I'm seeing people hype up the demo like this game is gonna be insane tbh

It looks like an early ps3 game, which makes sense when pokemon as a franchise is 10 years behind the competition

Hopefully I'm wrong and they just picked a big chunk of empty space for the demo tho

[mighty storm]

and then ||Paradox tyranitar in ubers||

[vagrant steppe]

And there's actually anything in the overworld

[warm sky]

pope my dude

it's pokémon fans

pokémon is the equivalent of getting junk food

But suddenly it's made a few changes and people act like it's a massive overhaul

and go "wow it's so much better"

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah that's fair. Tbh I think I would have preferred the Arceus hub city/section treatment since it at least made the environments nicer

Since all the demo showed was a bunch of empty fields and I can assume 95% of the region is that but different colors

[golden lance]

Lies

My local fast food joint just added churros to the menu

[outer eagle]

[vagrant steppe]

$60 could get you a lot of churros

[golden lance]

And they come with a little sweet sauce pool you can dip them in

And it tastes amazing

[mighty storm]

do they have marinara sauce?

[warm sky]

that's just what SV is tbh

it now has churros

[last musk]

I've never had a churro

[warm sky]

you should

they're nice

We have churros here too

fried dough with chocolate sauce and powdered sugar

is good

[last musk]

I see, will try it out 👍

[outer eagle]

or you can be basic and eat French Fries with Tomato and Chili Sauce

[last musk]

I don't use sauce on anything

[warm sky]

what

you eat fries dry?

you don't enjoy your chippies with anything?

[outer eagle]

i suppose oily is also a kind of flavour

[crimson moat]

I do agree it is being blown out of proportion, but at the same time it at least is part of the crawl up from SwSh/BDSP era... despite that not being a hard bar to clear

[last musk]

I got a thing why I'm super sensitive to sauce and I don't know why, it's all I taste if I put it on (even the slightest amount)

[warm sky]

Oh

wild

I can't even imagine it, because imma need sauces

I put in a fuckton of kechup on my shit

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah it's definitely better looking than the last two games, but it's still like... Just kinda fine

[pseudo goblet]

Oh yeah, any shiny Eevee lately?

[mighty storm]

I havent been looking for awhile

[random stream]

Yeah this is why sometimes no-setup e4 randolocke runs are v interesting

kinda just have to play regular pokemon with both sides having good coverage while the AI gets big handicap boosts

[young river]

damn i need to beat Legends Arceus still... just got to post game

[fading stratus]

Brace yourself for the volo fight

[young river]

i dont even remember what level i was at

lol

[pseudo goblet]

Same here bro

[pseudo goblet]

I just both laugh and cry listening how many good damn point this guy spits out

https://youtu.be/MeMx67JlAmQ

‘My team have potions, GGs’ MAN KNOWS WHAT PAIN LOOK LIKE

[maiden flax]

According to the people who played the demo they said the fields are actually really filled

[vagrant steppe]

Maybe. But the field we've seen has been empty af

Also, is this finally the generation where we get a good physical electric move?

Probably not

[vocal torrent]

It would be funny if Crawdaunt & Clawitzer ever had evolution, it become crab

[kind vortex]

just give plasma fists more distribution

[vagrant steppe]

Honestly

[twin shard]

Wow I thought volt switch was physical but nope

[mighty storm]

Oh to clarify something cuz I saw some misinformation going around

auto battles arent going to kill your shinies

to auto battle you have to aim your pokemon at the pokemon you want it to fight, shinies appear in the over world. So the only way its killing a shiny is if you didnt notice its a different color

and you can retract an auto battling pokemon to its ball

[long stone]

Why wouldn't you kill shinies, they are just sick/mutated pokemon. just let natural selection do its thing.

[twin shard]

Why wouldn’t you kill shinies, they’re just exp

[mighty storm]

cuz they rare

people fear mongering "oh wild battle gonna kill shinies", it wont so rest easy

[golden lance]

Y'know what is my biggest nitpick with s&v?

The fact that now both tamato berries and real tomatoes exist

[bleak pine]

Seems it zig-zags every now and then

Like, we got Apples and... I guess whatever it is that is a berry alternative to apples

[pseudo goblet]

That would be the Leppa berry

[maiden flax]

True but that was also true with PLA

[pseudo goblet]

How this ytb handled Shedinja’s scene is so cursed, cool video tho

https://youtu.be/m5QxksxVdlk

[mighty storm]

news tomorrow maybe

[warm sky]

tbh I'm expecting the game itself to be datamined in like

2 weeks

[outer eagle]

that's a generous timespan

i'd give it a week

[vagrant steppe]

Here's hoping

I wanna know if there's like actually any content

[mighty storm]

oh there is

[warm sky]

||no actual post game again iirc tho||

[vagrant steppe]

I mean, I'm sure there's 100ish mons and a story, but it just looks so barren so far

[vagrant steppe]

||Ah, that's what I expected||

||Gym Leader rematches at least or nah?||

||Since there's no level scaling for some reason, they should at least be rematch options||

[mighty storm]

well, except like hunting down the ||quad perils||

[vagrant steppe]

Which are?

[warm sky]

||there's not even a battle tower equivalent btw||

[mighty storm]

||our new legendary quartet||

[vagrant steppe]

Also technically SwSh had a postgame. But it was just the 30 minutes leading up to you catching box legend

[warm sky]

||The tapus of the gen, 4 dark type legendaries||

[vagrant steppe]

So it doesn't really count

[vagrant steppe]

||Oh so basically nothing||

[warm sky]

yes

[vagrant steppe]

||Oh so ACTUALLY nothing||

[vagrant steppe]

||You'd think they'd put a post game in the open world game. Like at least some side quests or something||

||But when you beat the champion, you might as well put the game down until dlc||

[warm sky]

||Rematches are a thing tho at the least||

[vagrant steppe]

Oh hey, bare minimum

[mighty storm]

||dark type lovers gonna love the quartet||

[placid junco]

TBH I’m still considering getting it at launch but not 100% sure yet

[vagrant steppe]

||Wait so are they like roaming legendaries?||

[mighty storm]

On how many legendaries we have in the base game
||8 exclusives each, and then 4 everyone gets for 20 total legendaries||

[vagrant steppe]

Man, I know Arceus doesn't have much of a postgame, but it at least has one and incentives to actually explore. How'd they go from that to less content

[placid junco]

Honestly game freak hasn’t earned high expectations back

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah. It's been what, 3 gens at this point since we had a postgame?

SuMo/USUM had the wormholes and the UBs but that's it

[mighty storm]

and we dont know if the legendaries are shiny locked

[placid junco]

I would say SUMO UB stuff counts

[vagrant steppe]

They 100% are

[mighty storm]

The Ubs werent

[vagrant steppe]

Every legendary has been shiny locked since SuMo, box legends since BW

[placid junco]

I consider the storyline with them a post game
Not much of one

But i do consider it one

[vagrant steppe]

UBs are an exception since there's not just 1 of them

[mighty storm]

Yes

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah, I guess UB stuff does count

XY had a full like 4 hour post game with the Emma stuff

[placid junco]

But the XY postgame was much better in every capacity

[vagrant steppe]

BW has a FULL SIDE OF THE REGION you didn't have access to

[mighty storm]

||Paradoxes can be caught in multiples, which is why I think we can hunt them||

[placid junco]

Yeah

[vagrant steppe]

And the championship where you can battle every relevant trainer in the series with updated teams

[placid junco]

Like technically crown tundra is modeled like a postgame but you can do it at any time

[vagrant steppe]

It's also like all of 2 hours of content, not counting farming the expeditions

[placid junco]

I still need to play crown tundra

[vagrant steppe]

You can do it very fast

[placid junco]

I paid for the expansion pass and I haven’t even finished it

[vagrant steppe]

The only real replay value is the expeditions

[placid junco]

I’ve heard

[vagrant steppe]

Tbf Isle of Armor was also all of like 3 hours of content

[placid junco]

It was mildly fun content at least

[vagrant steppe]

$30 for an extra 6-7 hours of gameplay at best

True, but it really should have been longer for the price point

[placid junco]

Absolutely yeah

[vagrant steppe]

I'm sure they'll do the same thing with SV too

Sell us the post game for $30

Lmao $15 to get access to ||The Battle Tower||

[placid junco]

$15 to get ||non charizard kanto starters||

[vagrant steppe]

That's the case this gen too lmao

[placid junco]

Yeah

That’s what I meant

[vagrant steppe]

Ah, I thought you meant SWSH

[placid junco]

All my homies hate charizard

[vagrant steppe]

But man, you'd think the shift to open world would mean actual content

Like look at how much shit BoTW, a 6 year old game, has

[mighty storm]

what version everyone getting?

[placid junco]

When I eventually get it, I’m planning on scarlet

[mighty storm]

violet because cooler ||exclusive legendaries|| and cooler bike

[placid junco]

Yeah but you don’t have Stonejourner

Checkmate

[mighty storm]

||Apocalyptic Moth though||

[placid junco]

I don’t keep up with leaks so

[mighty storm]

at least you get ||primal god moth||

[placid junco]

Honestly the whole leak situation has helped me auto clicking spoilers a lot

[vagrant steppe]

Huh so apparently there's a placeholder title screen for Sword that features

Megas and mons that were cut via dexit. Looks like they just had a lot of issues

Wow there's only 1 Mon in this title screen that is even in the game

And that's Pikachu

[mighty storm]

moltres is in

same with blastoise

[vagrant steppe]

Added via dlc

Neither were base

[mighty storm]

counts

[vagrant steppe]

Ehh not really. You couldn't transfer them until crown Tundra and isle of armor, respectively

[crimson moat]

Sawsbuck appears here, but never made it into any gen 8 game

And Greninja too wait lol

[vagrant steppe]

I'm also pretty sure he's not available in Gen 9 lmao

[crimson moat]

Yup

One of the 30 or so Pokémon whose last game was USUM

[vagrant steppe]

Also note mega Rayquaza despite no megas

[sharp kernel]

@mighty storm Summer, is this gen supposed to have the most new pokemon we've gotten in a while?

[mighty storm]

yeah its got quite a bit

[sharp kernel]

I saw 100+

[mighty storm]

including ||20 new legendaries in the base game||

[sharp kernel]

I'm super excited for ||Bellybolt||

[mighty storm]

he is fren

[sharp kernel]

he is bestest fren

he's this gen's pin curchin

[vagrant steppe]

Wait if ||there's no battle tower|| how will we get the BP exclusive items?

[sharp kernel]

isn't there supposedly a whole bunch of new mechanical areas being added? i.e like the safari zone

[vagrant steppe]

A ton of those items are relevant for competitive

[sharp kernel]

so i would think through there

[vagrant steppe]

Are there? I haven't seen anything about that

[sharp kernel]

could also be through the new boss battles

which i heard are actually difficult

[outer eagle]

Crafters bro trust

[vagrant steppe]

There better be an actual way to farm the competitive items

Although there's no breeding this gen, so competitive is gonna be wack as hell

[sharp kernel]

Wait what

did they make it so perfect iv's have to be farmed only?

[placid junco]

I find it absolutely fucking hilarious that Bruxish is on the title screen

[vagrant steppe]

I guess so? All we know is that breeding is gone

There's apparently "another way to obtain eggs"

But they didn't say what that was, and my bet is that it's something like the grottos

No breeding + the wack terra mechanics might just ruin competitive play

[sharp kernel]

yeah, i mean i called out from the beginning that tera was a horrible comp mechanic

[vagrant steppe]

Fucking 3x stab lmao

There's no predicting what type they're gonna terra into outside of educated guess, there's no turn cap, there's no use of a hold item, and you don't even lose the stab on types you lose

[sharp kernel]

also, supposedly, there's a pokemon in the game with an ability to ||revive any fainted pokemon in your party||

which is like another comp play break

[placid junco]

Can they please just do away with IVs at this point

[vagrant steppe]

Honestly I'd love for the pla system to become the main one

[silver vigil]

There’s zero shot tera stays smogon singles legal

[mighty storm]

||yup there is, and it's pawmi's final evo's signature move||

[vagrant steppe]

Tera is getting banned day 0, yeah

Otherwise Ursaluna is gonna be in Anything Goes forever

[silver vigil]

VGC players have fun with 3x stab restricteds

[placid junco]

Let’s be real ursaluna would be Ubers minimum

[vagrant steppe]

Nah, he's going to AG

[placid junco]

Eviolite ursaring already spunds scary

Sounds*

[vagrant steppe]

Guts + Facade + Good typing + Good movepool on terra

Fucking 3x stab earthquakes

[placid junco]

Having stab facade and earthquake with guts is terrifying yeah

Especially when your only weak to 4 types

[vagrant steppe]

Not just stab. 3x stab

[placid junco]

And bulky as fuck

[vagrant steppe]

Terra on element DOUBLES the bonus

[placid junco]

Honestly I don’t really keep up with comp pokemon but yeah kinda fucked

[vagrant steppe]

Ursaluna is the new god of VGC

Obstagoon is probably pretty solid too if he's in the game

[placid junco]

Good lol
Ursaluna is a good boy

Tbh I haven’t even played PLA yet

[silver vigil]

Time for Ursaluna Salamence + 4 mons

[warm sky]

just go for an entire moon based team

add umbreon, clefable

[outer eagle]

umbreon

[placid junco]

If there are three Pokémon that will always escape the dex cut, it’s eevee, pikachu, and charizard

So of course umbreon is an option

[silver vigil]

Actually salamence prob dog into opposing ursaluna huh

Hmm

[vagrant steppe]

I think grimmsnarl might end up having to be godly

[mighty storm]

that doesnt seem to be the case, it seems to just be adaptability

[placid junco]

As much as I dislike eevee for taking up like 10 dex slots just for existing

[vagrant steppe]

Math done by people way smarter than I has put it at a guaranteed 3x stab from terra

Wait does Prankster affect roar? And does Roaring the terra mon break terra?

[outer eagle]

eevee taking up multiple dex slots wouldn't be bad if GF is actually fair and give it a form for every type

[placid junco]

That would make my issue even worse tbh

Just clogging up dex slots for a Pokémon their too cowardly to cut from the roster

[outer eagle]

tbh the dex count is probably not too reliable as an indicator anyways.
maybe we should view it from the number of evolutionary lines

[placid junco]

Ehhh, I think eevee is just bloat at this point

[vagrant steppe]

Yeah there's about 1000 mons, but realistically, only about 200ish are ever used

Okay so it looks like roar does affect prankster?

[outer eagle]

prankster does affect roar

but going from -7 to -6 changes nothing

[mighty storm]

roar doesnt break

[vagrant steppe]

What the fuck

[placid junco]

It makes it go before other “always goes last” moves

And nothing more

[vagrant steppe]

So the check of "making the terra leave the battlefield" doesn't mean shit then

[outer eagle]

you can probably cheese it by the meme Riolu strat

but with multiple mons

[placid junco]

Tera may be terrifying
But FEAR is forever

[vagrant steppe]

Tbh FEAR might be one of the few terra checks

[silver vigil]

If you answer luna dw

Cyclizard is here

[outer eagle]

now what i'm wondering is how Ditto interact with a Terastalized Pokemon

does it copy all 3 stabs

or only the original

[silver vigil]

Though you’d prob rather use that on a fast mon unless you’re doing trick room strats

Or there’s clefairy

[vagrant steppe]

Luna really about to have 100% VGC representation, huh?

[outer eagle]

VGC is less favorable to Luna tbh

[outer eagle]

having to take a turn to set up Flame Orb is big in a hyper fast setting like VGC

[mighty storm]

nice fear

[vagrant steppe]

Why did you ping me for this?

The better FEAR strat hits ghosts

[sharp kernel]

ghost pokemon are immuned to fear

[vagrant steppe]

Probopass hits ghosts

[outer eagle]

Endeaveour doesn't hit Ghost type at all

[vagrant steppe]

Oh... Probopass isn't in the game

[silver vigil]

If cyclizard has good speed + passable other stats that thing will be so dumb

[vagrant steppe]

Probopass is generally agreed to be the better FEAR strat

Level 2 with a berry juice and pain split

[outer eagle]

idk i like my Aron due to PP

[mighty storm]

Aron gonna get walled by ghostTar

[outer eagle]

implying that any competent player would fall for FEAR tbw

[vagrant steppe]

Aron works too, but generally fear uses probopass

Fear won't be relevant regardless

[outer eagle]

so many ways Tera can be janky with mechanics

weather effects

entry hazards

[fading stratus]

Just use a fear taillow
Keeps ghosts in check

[outer eagle]

technically Mismagius is immune to both of Luna's STABs

then gets oneshotted by any coverage

[vagrant steppe]

Tailow didn't make it

Another one of the 30 to not be in any game since USUM

[fading stratus]

Oh it didn't? Rip

[outer eagle]

we had Grass and Water U-turn introduced in SwSh
wonder if we'll get the other types in SV

[golden lance]

Grass uturn?

[outer eagle]

ah wait

i misremembered Grass

forgot how Glide worked for a second

[vagrant steppe]

Thinking grassy glide was a U-turn?

[fading stratus]

It has almost same animation

[vagrant steppe]

True, but that's them cutting animation corners

[outer eagle]

can't wait to spam Tera Fire Banded V-Create Victini

[fading stratus]

Everything is u turn if you give em eject button

[sharp kernel]

u turn for every type is a mistake

actually I'm lying

parting shot is a mistake

(fuck incineroar)

[outer eagle]

this man avoiding the initial problem

Baton Pass is a mistake

[fading stratus]

Give us a better intimidate fake out Mon

[vagrant steppe]

Sorry kid, I'm spamming earthquake terra on my guts Ursaluna

[sharp kernel]

I gave the pokemon company the solution, take away fake out and parting shot from incineroar

now he's balanced

[fading stratus]

Ursaluna suffers from speed

[outer eagle]

i'm faster gg

[vagrant steppe]

Incineroar is the only thing keeping Zacian in check tho

[sharp kernel]

zacian's not in the game

so

[vagrant steppe]

Good

Let's keep it that way forever

[fading stratus]

New legendaries will get +2 atk instead of +1

[outer eagle]

pls don't jinx it

[sharp kernel]

this would have been a perfect comp gen without zacian and lando, but they introduced the tera bullshit

[vagrant steppe]

Zacian 2

[outer eagle]

honestly tho with their themes as multi-terrain vehicles maybe Koraidon and Miraidon will have Adaptability
or they'll just have modified Protean cuz fuck it

[vagrant steppe]

Zacian 2 gets a beast boost every turn

[crimson moat]

Zacian-er

It'll sweep ya

[vagrant steppe]

And Moxie

[crimson moat]

Nothing is Sweepier

[sharp kernel]

they just need to make all legendaries be as cool and well designed as lunala

[mighty storm]

dies to sand

[outer eagle]

yeah that typing is not speaking to me

[vagrant steppe]

Woops misunderstood as Ursaluna

[mighty storm]

and rocks

[vagrant steppe]

All the legendaries have guts now

[outer eagle]

member when legendaries had pressure by default

[mighty storm]

we dont know that

[fading stratus]

Give a legendary adaptability

[vagrant steppe]

Koraidon gets guts, Miradion gets adaptability

Good meta

[fading stratus]

Or a new ability that essentially works like life orb

Or Solar power for all weathers ig

[crimson moat]

But so far no monke right?

[outer eagle]

that would be a metal image of a legendary

[crimson moat]

No more Gorilla Tictacs?

[outer eagle]

continuously hurting itself to boost its power

[mighty storm]

but what we do know is the ||4 perils is getting debuff ||abilities

[sharp kernel]

there's a rumored ||steel/fairy type pokemon|| so i consider that monke in itself

when will they learn their lesson

that that type combination is broken

[placid junco]

Isn’t this basically solar power

[outer eagle]

yes

except solar power isn't an exclusive ability

so can't design a pokemon around that

[sharp kernel]

it would be a blessing if they announced fairy had a new weakness to fire

and steel lost a resistance or 2

[placid junco]

Fairy nerfs would be good

[outer eagle]

idk man i think we need to nerf Ghost if anything

[placid junco]

Make fairy weak to bug too tbh

[crimson moat]

Hisuian Zoroark: We don't do that here

[fading stratus]

Buff ice and bug tbh

Make Calyrex even broken

[outer eagle]

bug should lose their weakness to rock tbh

[crimson moat]

There's already a method to buff Ice
It is called Tera

[placid junco]

Nah the rock weakness is fine

[fading stratus]

Make bug do neutral to poison

[crimson moat]

Fighting should lose Bug resistance

[sharp kernel]

here we go, I'm looking at it now, why the fuck does steel resist dark, psychic and ghost

take away those resistances

[outer eagle]

that changes almost nothing boltz

[placid junco]

Tinfoil hats, in terms of psychic

[crimson moat]

2 of those are gone tho

[fading stratus]

That's the point
Keep making small changes every genn

[placid junco]

Yeah it doesn’t resist dark or ghost anymore

[mighty storm]

those make sense though

[crimson moat]

Gen 6 nerfed Steel with Dark and Ghost neutral already

[sharp kernel]

oh im looking at the early version of steel

[outer eagle]

ghost is one of the best types rn because of the steel resistance nerf

[mighty storm]

hard to scare the person clad in a full suit of armor

[fading stratus]

Make bug do 2x to dragons

[placid junco]

And fairy

[mighty storm]

why?

[fading stratus]

Why not

[placid junco]

There’s usually flavor reasons for the type matchups

[mighty storm]

at least bug doing more against psychic makes sense

[fading stratus]

Kids hate bugs
Kids like fairies

Tada

Enough reasoning to 2x fairy

[placid junco]

Kids also like bugs

[mighty storm]

but why would a bug be good against a dragon

[outer eagle]

if we want flavor reasons Ice should also be super effective against Fire but here we are

[crimson moat]

If bug does 2x to psychic, so should electric to psychic

[sharp kernel]

i can vouch for kids liking bugs, when i was 4 living in ecuador i used to eat ants off the floor

[mighty storm]

fire literally melts ice

[outer eagle]

yes, and try throwing an icicle at a spark of flame

[fading stratus]

Then the melted ice just puts out fire

[mighty storm]

the water means little when you already roasted them, especially since ice is not always literal ice.

[sharp kernel]

bugs should resist water

water doesn't kill bugs, bleach does

[outer eagle]

now you're just moving goalposts

[crimson moat]

there should be a Dry Ice attack that changes to Rock type if it hits a fire pokemon

[sharp kernel]

hard dry

[mighty storm]

also Im glad we finally have a legendary ||fish pokemon||

we havent had one before

[fading stratus]

I mean rocks technically explode on fire too so should've made fire do 2x to rocks

[crimson moat]

Dry Ice pokemon with Heatproof ability

[sharp kernel]

that would be cool

[crimson moat]

Also yeah buff heatproof

[mighty storm]

and its apparently a ||dark/fire ||type 😮

[outer eagle]

how can you buff Heatproof without making it bootleg Flash Fire

[crimson moat]

Just make it bootleg flash fire

tbh

[fading stratus]

Just make it so that it affects you and your partner Pokémon

better flash fire

[outer eagle]

[sharp kernel]

but yeah buff bugs

they're the coolest type

besides the crocodile type

[placid junco]

Give bugs some kind of passive ability like how darks are immune to prankster

[fading stratus]

Make bugs bypass any "proof" ability

[outer eagle]

bugs now have Forewarn as a passive ability

[placid junco]

Preferably the version that actually informs you about the move triggering it

[crimson moat]

Anticipation pepega

[outer eagle]

doesn't anticipation check the move's base power rather than type effectiveness

[placid junco]

It prioritizes base power

Iirc

But will go to type in a tie I think

[outer eagle]

oh i mixed it up

[placid junco]

Or maybe I’m thinking of forewarn

[outer eagle]

Forewarn is the one that checks power

Anticipation is the super effective one

[placid junco]

All I know is forewarn is literally just anticipate but better because it actually tells you the move

[crimson moat]

Forwarn checks power and tells you the move

Anticipation checks super effectiveness and tells you no other info

[placid junco]

Just give all bug types forewarn

[outer eagle]

Forewarn can be kinda redundant tbh

yes bro i know this Lucario has Close Combat

[placid junco]

Anticipation is the redundant one

At least with forewarn you get actually useful info

[crimson moat]

Anticipation also shuddered at OHKO moves, Self destruct and Explosion as well in gen 4

So Anticipation might not even tell you of a supereffective move correctly

It also took til gen 6 for anticipation to correctly call Hidden Power type

[outer eagle]

i never knew that

[crimson moat]

ie. if an opponent had HP Psychic and you had Anticipation Toxicroak, Anticipation in gens 4 and 5 would see HP as a normal move

Now, it sees Hidden Power as a move that doesn't exist

Also yeah Anticipation does jack shit against Tera Blast for the most part

[fading stratus]

I thought stuff like hp weather ball didn't trigger anticipation

[outer eagle]

weather ball makes sense

because it at least can be a Normal type move

Hidden Power is pathetic tho

[crimson moat]

Flying Press is also silly here becaue Anticipation treats it as a fighting move only

[outer eagle]

do we have another move similar to Flying Press