League of Legends

[eternal palm]

Idk anybody that doesn’t build sundered sky rn

[prisma ravine]

Most champs dont

Its a very high base AD-focused item

[eternal palm]

The base AD healing doesn’t really matter when you’re also getting 6% of your missing health back. It’s like a 20ish difference at most

And the critical strike is tAD

Along with it just being a really good stat stick

55 attack damage
15 ability haste
300 health

The item could just be that and 300 gold cheaper and people would buy it

[prisma ravine]

6% missing hp is not that much usually but fair

The crit strike is good tho

But a lot of champs have better options

For instance Eclipse is way underbought

[eternal palm]

Eclipse is very good, but half the reason you’re buying eclipse is for the passive

For sundered sky, the passive is just the cherry on top

[prisma ravine]

Well yeah, but the passive is just insane

[night marsh]

sundered sky is so stupid

I hear it's bugged but I really hope they dont buff it

aatrox is so cancer with it

[prisma ravine]

Its bugged to its benefit

It crits for more than intended

Well except on Graves and Illaoi, it doesnt work on those two lmao

[night marsh]

realistically, I just want them to kneecap aatrox

he has been a top 5 top laner since last season and is the 2nd most insufferable to lane vs outside illaoi

jax anbd the 4 horsewomen are much more healthy to play vs and aren't as aids in lane

[eternal palm]

It helps that Aatrox by all accounts is basically an AD caster that benefits from building like an AD bruiser

[formal quartz]

Riven but better

[night marsh]

riven but even when you miss all the sweet spots on your qs, your broken passive wins the trade for you

[eternal palm]

Yeah, the windows where you can trade with Aatrox are legitly so small

[prisma ravine]

Ok hold up

Rylais Liandry Rift Swain looks disgusting

[eternal palm]

Tbf 3 item swain has always been disgusting

The issue has always been getting there

[prisma ravine]

Eh, funny enough no

Swains big issue usually was falling off

[wheat notch]

xd

[chilly ivy]

i fucking love adcs

they blame me

but i have 3 other randoms on the team say adc diff

i am vindicated

[dim kindle]

Swain falls off a cliff when carries start hitting 4 items because he is bloated with bonus hp but no resistances

varies a lot with draft

bot swain usually beats everything at 6 and 1 item

solo lane swain rolls melees but eats shit to control and artillery mages unless you outmovement a lot

Anyway swains biggest issue (he is good) is that mana choices kinda suck

[wheat notch]

frozen heart

[dim kindle]

Unless vs full ad then you can go frozen

i was about to say

[wheat notch]

even against 1 melee

it costs like 2 dolar

[dim kindle]

I think RoA is probably better than percieved but like rift liandry are so good

dont want to delay

I really want a swain passive change

Saw a cool suggestion about him getting ap scaling resiatance doubled during r instead but thatd require a big tradeoff prob

[wheat notch]

i mean ur gonna have 2 resist items by 4 items too

tbh

like riftmaker liandry frozen abyssal

[wheat notch]

wow brand jg is not balanced

[formal quartz]

jUsT iNvAdE says every non junglers

[dim kindle]

Its really strong into low range

cool that he found a home but his clear prob needs to be toned down a bit

he scales really poorly so ideally id like them to flatten his curve a bit

like less insane at 2 items but also less worthless at 4

[wheat notch]

d. does he

[formal quartz]

I personally don’t think so

They kept buffing his ratios to push him out of support

[wheat notch]

the #1 brand i netdecked goes hourglass banshees 3rd 4th that doesnt sound like someone who desperately needs scaling lol

[formal quartz]

Damn he really doesn’t want to die lol

[wheat notch]

its bc his range is so ass

so i get it

[dim kindle]

Making him scale better =/ better ratios

Thats a lever used sometimes but doesnt necessarily work like that

I also don't have a suggestion to accomplish it

You could just randonly make his level 16 r do something special extra to hamfist it

like they did with mundo o

but not a fan of that

[formal quartz]

Reset on takedowns

[wheat notch]

bigger ability ranges with every ult point

like naafiri w

[dim kindle]

Yea the cast range is really bad thats not a bad angle

[formal quartz]

honestly I sympathize with their aphelios

[humble glacier]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/19ahzw3/why_does_corki_exist/?rdt=39062

[slim terrace]

I should play this champ more often, she's super fun

[wheat notch]

Why does everyone call Zaz'Zak's Realmspike Zak'Zak

[chilly ivy]

Funny

[dapper kite]

https://x.com/cowboyenjoyer_/status/1748560368732197174?s=20

Cowboy (@cowboyenjoyer_) on X

Taliyah just forgetting what my champ does

Twitter · Jan 20, 2024, 4:17 AM

[wheat notch]

tbf ornn destroying terrain is so uncommon

[sullen crystal]

I didn't know it just destroyed a little chunk of it

[humble glacier]

i think ornn destroying terrain only matters for his Q, J4 ult, Tali Ult, and Anivia Wall?

are those the only 4 player made terrain abilities?

[dapper kite]

Missing yorick w, azir ult and trundle e

But yeah that should be all

[dapper kite]

Wrong, he does it to his own pillar all the time

[wheat notch]

ok but that's gonna be perceived as part of ornn q not ornn e

therefore i win you lose bye bye

[dapper kite]

Ornn q can destroy terrain

[wheat notch]

sigh

ratio

[dapper kite]

Sigh

Raito
https://youtu.be/cGGbWLYdhgk?si=mGFD__nB7j78FcdY

[severe cairn]

Righ

Saito

[formal quartz]

velkoz goes two ap items then full tank afterwards and still melts my team

why

[sullen crystal]

passive moment

[wheat notch]

champ has high base numbers

to make up for being made of taped glass shards

[formal quartz]

Well he sure as hell wasn’t glass shards that game lol

They really need to up frozen heart cost

[wheat notch]

they are

[prisma ravine]

100 gold next patch

[humble glacier]

i just though "what if ornn q lasted forever"

and then imagined ornn stalling waves with it

and i will put away the thought forever

[slim terrace]

just create a massive wall in front of enemy base and most champs can never leave

[dapper kite]

only unseal it once you need to finish the game

[sullen crystal]

nah just flash over the wall

[slim terrace]

you remember those videos of urf anivia building up a massive wave with her wall? I imagine you do something like that

[dim kindle]

man ksante is actually really fun to play

[dapper kite]

trueee

[slim terrace]

man what was this team comp 🙃

I first picked trist mid cause I saw teemo and lilia hover but I didn't expect that bot lane too

[prisma ravine]

Wait you mean their comp?

[slim terrace]

well their comp was certainly something, but it felt impossible to fight with ours

but idk maybe that's just cause we had literally half the kills they did

I feel like zero tanks into that much catch was not fantastic

[prisma ravine]

Doable but not easy

Ok Sundered Sky sucks on Kha

But Eclipse is actually good again

[gray sandal]

i see lamb was playing lillia on his alt

[dim kindle]

everyone and their mom playing lillia

champ is a bit busted

[night marsh]

yeah she's broken rn

[wheat notch]

Great start to today

[sullen crystal]

every time I play aram for a quick game of league I remember how much it fucking sucks

just had a comp that got rolled over in every team fight but because "it's a for fun gamemode" my team didn't ff and the other team didn't choose to end

actually the worst way to experience league

[dim kindle]

i mean yeah some aram games are kind of autoloss but it never bothered me much

only thing that actually bothers me is clunky aram balance

but theyve been improving that tbf

[chilly ivy]

interesting game

[eternal palm]

I only use ARAM games as a warm up before rank or a anti tilt during a ranked losing streak

[night marsh]

arams make you more tilted than warmed up imo

when they lock in a 5 range comp and you're just playing dodgeball for 15 minutes

[eternal palm]

Well yeah, that’s what the warm up is for mainly, getting my hands warmed up for dodging skill shots

[slim terrace]

my recent trend in aram is ignoring ranged characters most of the time to try to get hard engage comps for this reason

if I see 2-3 adcs I'm tryna run them down

[prisma ravine]

Tbh ARAM is a lot of fun when either neither team has an adc or both have an equal amount

Otherwise one team is just at too huge a disadvantage

Unless the adc is Akshan

Akshan just kinda sucks

[wheat notch]

God

Banshee's is such a dog ass item

Verdant Barrier is pretty good though

But BV is just too expensive

I like that the cooldown is static now instead of after taking no dmg for x seconds

[prisma ravine]

Wait Veils cooldown is static?

[wheat notch]

Verdant is 60sec Banshee's is 30sec

[prisma ravine]

Why isnt Edge of Night >:[

[wheat notch]

bc mages suck

also its cheaper

[prisma ravine]

Eh, Mages are better rn at least until 14.2, and it makes up for being cheaper by having better stats

[gray sandal]

verdant is bugged. it's actually 40 sec r n

liked old banshee

[wheat notch]

what

just not true

[wheat notch]

🧢

also i want . defensive stats on my defensive item

not 120ap

imagine if it was 80ap 65mr 10haste or smthg

[prisma ravine]

You do get 60 MR at least

[wheat notch]

its 50

[prisma ravine]

Edge of Night gives 250 health and thats it lmao

Jokes aside EoN is a good item

I just hate how the shield works

[wheat notch]

and banshees is bad 🔥

[gray sandal]

it was when i played bro. idk

this was when patch first dropped so maybe they fixed it

[wheat notch]

are u sure u didnt just have item cdr

[gray sandal]

mayhaps

[prisma ravine]

Ok sunderer Eclipse item haste Renekton is kinda nasty

[eternal palm]

@wheat notch https://vxtwitter.com/lsxyz9/status/1749202689723183295?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

[chilly ivy]

ludens in S is a sin

[prisma ravine]

Navoris in D is hilarious

Cyclosword over Maw and Seryldas too

[chilly ivy]

why is void in B

it's one of the best items damage wise in the game for mages

the utility cryptbloom gives doesn't cut it imo

[prisma ravine]

Oh wow I didn't even notice that

But yeah Navoris below IE is wack

[wheat notch]

It's a pro focused tierlist oomf ofc he's gonna rate the teamwide util higher than the selfish item

100% the Lost Chapter items are only that high up because they build out of Lost Chapter

[chilly ivy]

i agree with this logic

idk about the first one, but my philosophy is also that the best utility in the game is cc, and the best cc is a grey screen

so idt i have grounds to push it

[wheat notch]

yeah and when u grey screen someone cryptbloom prevents ur guys ftom getting grey screened

ez

[formal quartz]

Lmao z tier?

Just make that s

[eternal palm]

Z tier means the meta revolves around those items

[wheat notch]

duality of man

[formal quartz]

Isn’t that what S should be?

I always assumed A is basically 1

And S is 0

[wheat notch]

i dont like lulu finger on kog splash,,

immersion ruined

[night marsh]

Is the bloom ap item even that good

The effect seems bad so it must be the stats?

[eternal palm]

wym, the effect is a mini redemption

[chilly ivy]

stat wise it's poop compared to void staff, barring the 15 haste

void has more ap and mr pen

[night marsh]

Isn’t it only healing for like 100-200 and only if you kill someone?

The same criticisms i@see about it are the same issues i see about the item that grants ms on takedown

If you took away the lethality part of it

[chilly ivy]

it's around 400 in lategame iirc

and from the games that i have used it in

i have not had a single instance where i healed an ally, including me

that part of the item might not even exist

the fact that the item has a minute cd just destroys it

you get a pick on a guy, everyone is full hp, no one gets healed, then you get into a fight half a minute later and it's on cd

so for me the item is just void staff with -10% pen -10 ap for + 15 haste

if the cd on the item was like 20 secs, it'd be way more useful imo

it's not like lategame teamfights will last above 20 secs, and if they do, it's not like 2 novas are broken

[humble glacier]

i like bloom but im also insane

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night marsh]

yeah that's what im getting at

what exactly is making the item so cracked then for LS

I have seen 0 people build it, I read the item and notice a lot of downsides

so I figure it's just the gold effeciany and combination

[slim terrace]

what happened to my boy liandry's salesman

[wheat notch]

Oh it is more gold efficient than Void, huh.

I mean LS will post the vod on youtube eventually

[eternal palm]

Doubt

It was a 5 hour long explanation

[prisma ravine]

Yeah but in pro play IE is mid

While Navoris is dominant

So why is Navoris in D

The adcs being picked rn are onhit, varus going lethality, and Navori abusers

[slim terrace]

is navori just not everywhere? maybe he rates navori champs low

like lucian, zeri, tristana

[wheat notch]

https://youtu.be/E-OEyB1BEjg?si=FjkEmw-y4eq_cGle

oh LS misinterpreted Luden's

[slim terrace]

did he think it didn't trigger on minions?

the extra 100 damage is at max stacks if you don't hit anything for 18 seconds

[wheat notch]

He either read it as it not reducing damage on 1 target or did math for 6 targets when there's only 5 champions

He just said "so it's 240 + 48% ap at max stats this is a nuker item"

[slim terrace]

not to mention even if you took all other champs into consideration I feel like hitting everyone all at once is a dream scenario lol

[wheat notch]

for sure

[slim terrace]

I will say it seems like a ton of mages are building the item rn, so maybe it's s-tier by representation

[wheat notch]

and it has the lowest wr in the game

or smthg LMFAO

[slim terrace]

but that's not much different from old luden's

god does it?

I feel like I see it on every pro build

[wheat notch]

There was like a huge Luden's thread on reddit

[chilly ivy]

only reason is cause mages were somewhat balanced around needing either liandrys or ludens for faster clears while also giving mana and being a mythic

ludens is the only leftover of that system

malignance is gold efficient but sucks unless you have a specific champ and seraphs is lol

[wheat notch]

that graph seems weirdge though considering it says bloodsong has a 47% wr

[chilly ivy]

i've been playing malza for now, and malignance is cute

[slim terrace]

ik a lot of ori players are going storm surge seraph's rn

or luden's seraph's in some games

[wheat notch]

meanwhile Jukester is skipping a Lost Chapter item on Xerath entirely and just goes Horizon -> Stormsurge

i tried smthg similar on ziggs. not good! this says more aobut horizon than ziggs thuogh

[chilly ivy]

i tried tear on lux and it just isn't lost chapter

[slim terrace]

damn does xerath not need the mana?

does he just go tear?

also did they buff horizon enough? I thought you were saying it was terrible

or was that just on ziggs

[chilly ivy]

they didn't change the numbers they reduced the range at which it triggers

which is a non buff

[wheat notch]

he takes manaflow pom and just prays

its enough tbh

[night marsh]

also is maligance even good

that item has felt so bad on my end

[wheat notch]

Xerath is the only one that can actually use it well because of his ultimate move

It's dog ass on Ziggs, and I like to think it's dog ass on Lux, Vel'koz and Zoe as well.

[night marsh]

cleap ap standouts have been stormsurge>shadowflame>rift then anything else

for me

[wheat notch]

I checked Zoe Mains and they say it's a 2nd item competing with Lich Bane (in case you don't get to proc Lich too often or something??) but that seems cope to me

and I don't know anything about Vel'koz 🔥

Azzapp's build seems to be Malignance Shadowflame Deathcap

[night marsh]

teemo rushes it

[chilly ivy]

it's gold efficient and that's about it

[wheat notch]

teemo does not do that

[night marsh]

but I think it's more because of the build path building out of lost chapter

[wheat notch]

he getsi t 2nd /3rd

liandry 1st

[chilly ivy]

if you have a good ult to use with it you want malignance

[night marsh]

it was between maligance/nashors/liandries last I checked

[wheat notch]

eg. random Teemo I queued into on my alt

[night marsh]

if you went nashors first, you just get blown up

[wheat notch]

Liandry's is just an insane spike idt he can afford Malignance that early

[night marsh]

idk if that's the standard cause that looks like shroomo

you usally go pta instead of dh

wait that's jungle teemo

[wheat notch]

i think its just dh over pta bc its jg

ye

still mostly liandry rush

https://www.onetricks.gg/champions/ranking/Teemo

one of the nashors guys goes malignance 2nd and the other one goes liandrys 2nd

the teemo jungle goes nashor -> liandry -> sflame -> mali

[slim terrace]

TIL this website exists

[wheat notch]

yeah it just compiles every master+ player with enough playrate or smthg

i think i peaked #7 ziggs euw / #12 global

[slim terrace]

damn that's a lot of pyromaniac furries

also that's a lot of ziggs players in euw

[wheat notch]

#1 and #2 was the same guy

[slim terrace]

ic

[wheat notch]

now theres only 4

but also early season etc

this is how u know Lost Chapter items are good

[night marsh]

I think if they do a item overhaul to clear things out

remove bf sword from terminus build path please

that item is so cool but the bf sword makes it so awkward

[wheat notch]

they just did the overhaul

ure gonna have to wait

[sullen crystal]

Yeah I can see malignance being good on velkoz

[chilly ivy]

it is not

the text in the client is dogshit

the item has a 3 sec cd

and since the first damage instance is small they will walk out the zone in less that 1 sec, even with the slow

only way you keep them in the zones is if you hit multiple champs, but even then it's at best 180 + 18ap damage

which is nothing

and uh 12 magic pen at 18

[wheat notch]

ok but it's azzapp verified

tm

[chilly ivy]

yes because luden's is ass

[prisma ravine]

But thats the thing

Theyre dominant in pro

[sullen crystal]

oh another classic instance of riot then

[slim terrace]

this is far from the first time LS has disagreed with pros

[prisma ravine]

Yeah but he is also just wrong here

[wheat notch]

i like reaching the point of the game where nothing i do matters because zed can always kill me in 1 rotation no matter what

why do self peel tools matter anyways when i can just buy edge of night :DDDDD

zzzzzzzzz

and i have 0 counter itemisation options because he still kills you through hourglass 🤭

[night marsh]

zed is cancer yeah

I played udyr top the other day and had 300+ armor and he still shred through it

[wheat notch]

joy

[prisma ravine]

I mean if he is 15 and 3 Im not sure you should be able to survive

[wheat notch]

not the point

[wheat notch]

kingcobra got laid off?? lmfao thsi game is cooked

[night marsh]

Is their mmo not just super fucked

They laid off a significant amount of people who were heavily pushing the lore

[dim kindle]

yeah king cobra was so involved with players

kinda crazy he got kicked

[dim kindle]

ig the assumption is that the people allocated for that werent affected

but yeah i talked a bit about it in the LoR channel

if u wanna discuss

[night marsh]

ill backread

[dim kindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/loreofleague/s/zRr62fWXg6

ghostcrawler shared some thoughts

[eternal palm]

iirc, don't they have a lot of WoW people in for their MMO?

[dim kindle]

dunno they hired from everywhere

leading up to the planning

blizz arena net

amazon game studios

every studio with mmo experience behind their belt

[slim terrace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/19dvuzc/we_might_have_witnessed_a_wintrade_in_a_live/ oh boy that's not good

[sullen crystal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/19drc3s/jankos_on_yone/

[slim terrace]

YEP

[sullen crystal]

as someone pointed out that I didn't even see at first

yone just has botrk and iceborn lmfao

[slim terrace]

and jankos uses everything but flash to try to escape (he does use flash too late but like holy shit that e damage echo)

[prisma ravine]

I mean BotRK is a high damage item on melee carries

[sullen crystal]

I'm sure but yone basically missed everything again

[prisma ravine]

I mean, especially with that build, his abilities arent supposed to be a large part of his damage

This is a build where the abilities are just to get you in range of people to auto them

[sullen crystal]

I also think that's bs in a different way

man is already halfway up the lane, yone gets slowed by graves w and graves has the dash + flash and still is overtaken by yone

[prisma ravine]

I mean if he flashed way earlier he'd probably have lived but yeah, Yones target access is pretty good

[night marsh]

he would have still died even if he flashed there

yone has iceborn+e ms

[prisma ravine]

Im not sure, if he flashed immediately after Yones R he wouldnt have gotten slowed and Yone wouldve lost a few seconds of DPS

[wheat notch]

why is the chatting button gone

[chilly ivy]

i ate it

[slim terrace]

riot wants to remove all chatting to reduce toxicity

[chilly ivy]

might be just down

[wheat notch]

i thoroughly enjoy that if yone hits q it makes his r guaranteed

[slim terrace]

how about that he can do it from half a screen off with e

[gray sandal]

outskilled

[wheat notch]

:)

[slim terrace]

I just permaban him nowadays

[wheat notch]

hes a fine ziggs m/u so i dont bother

but i guess sion was just bad at the game

[slim terrace]

not trying to have one lane autolose

[wheat notch]

i forgot to check stormsurge damage after patch anyways

so who care

lemme check that now i guess

oh this bastard got an indicator but shadowflame didnt

eh

as long as you proc it it's still the best

[night marsh]

Good rule of thumb is if your kayn goes red form, go next

[wheat notch]

I thought it was still winnable tbh but Yone was just too strong

took 0 dmg and oneshot the carries

[eternal palm]

Red form is best form noob

[wheat notch]

cap

[night marsh]

Red form has been unplayable for months bro

[wheat notch]

You'd think they'd try to make both forms viable

but as far as I remember he's always only had 1 good form

[night marsh]

They just need to reduce his damage in red form and bump@the healing back up

So they can’t do full ad red form builds

His thematic is that you have 2 different game plans with 1 champ kit but for the last year or so, you have just built full ad, little resistances

After they nerfed rhaast’s healing, he’s been so bums

[wheat notch]

hey i remember rhaast going sv sometimes 😔

[eternal palm]

SV is broken right now too

As well as FH

The 2 best tank items for rhaast

[wheat notch]

even so lethality is just way too broken for kayn to not go shadow assassin every game lmao

[wheat notch]

s i gh

i guess im giving seraphs another chance

much to my chagrin

[formal quartz]

roa seraph fh

[wheat notch]

No.

[formal quartz]

I should try luden seraph

[eternal palm]

roa on ziggs delays your power spike too much

seraph is amazing though

[wheat notch]

why are they removing all the scaling from mage items lol

[formal quartz]

Is this not a buff early game?

[wheat notch]

how would i kno

i justy play ziggs

[formal quartz]

idk i thought you knew mages in general lol

[wheat notch]

yeah this item is cooked man

[humble glacier]

depends on what lvl the damage is scaling from

if that was 100-200 lvls 1-18 its prob a nerf

[wheat notch]

It's a buff only until Level 7

so basically a plain nerf because no one is getting it at Level 7 lol

[formal quartz]

ah okay

[wheat notch]

God Doran's Shield is not balanced

[slim terrace]

of course it is, LS rated it S tier after all 😎

[wheat notch]

the stat trak is broken anyways

XD

I somehow did 600 damage with it by killing someone prematurely and causing a thunderclap (no other enemy champion was in the vicinity (it probably used my teammates as damage takers))

[wheat notch]

I've got to start dodging Senna supports

[chilly ivy]

Wait they're nerfing the worst mage item?

Lmao

[wheat notch]

They're giving it 10 AP

by killing the passive xd

[chilly ivy]

They're so clueless

[wheat notch]

They're also giving 10 AP to Malignance and reducing the %burn to 5% and making the pen flat

https://x.com/Spideraxe30/status/1750296614755860947?s=20

Spideraxe (@Spideraxe30) on X

Malignance changes:

• AP increased from 80 to 90
• DoT AP ratio reduced from 6% to 5%
• MR shred changed from 6 - 12 to 10 flat

Twitter · Jan 24, 2024, 11:16 PM

[chilly ivy]

That I'm ok with, that's only 3% overall

I saw it, i backread

They're not changing the cost, right?

[wheat notch]

no

[chilly ivy]

Cause it was gold efficient before

I'll buy this on lux lol

[wheat notch]

30 minute timer on dodging

[chilly ivy]

Like the passive damage does not matter then

Sadge

[wheat notch]

at this point i could just get a game in on my alt

what a pointless penalty

[eternal palm]

Vs them or on your team?

[wheat notch]

my team

imagine seeing ziggs apc and thinking hm yes let me make our lane phase Unplayable by locking in Senna

at least an enchanter has real self peel

[eternal palm]

I’ve yet to see Senna make it through the ban phase for me ngl, but yeah senna x Ziggs sounds horrid

[wheat notch]

unless ur yuumi

[eternal palm]

Yuumi x Ziggs is even funnier

[wheat notch]

outdamaged by sion 👍 👍 good player

[eternal palm]

Man, did he last pick sion?

Or did you guys all pick into sion

[wheat notch]

into

last pick was heimer

i dont remember the pick order

i think it was Ziggs -> Jhin Sion -> Viego Kassadin -> Taliyah Kindred -> Darius Senna -> Heimer

[eternal palm]

lol, so senna willingly picked into sion, despite their team comp all being range and her never ever having a chance to play team fights vs that team comp

On top of having adc Ziggs

Yeah senna is at fault

[wheat notch]

i couldve had a fuckign rakan supprot

are you kidding me

this fucker mains engage supps

and locks in senna

icant

[eternal palm]

Well millio also, but look at that win rate lol

[wheat notch]

i would take milio over senna

[wheat notch]

seems balanced

pierced through seraphs nullifying orb

snore

i like that a 1/8 garen can win a 1v1 against a 8/5/5 riven

that champ is def not broken

yeah nah seraphs is just dogshit

i only won that game in d4 because the leblanc didnt know hwo to play i guess

Lifeline triggered 6 times / Saved me 0 times

[gray sandal]

lmao garen didn't even build armor and he won that

what has league come to

[slim terrace]

ig their logic is that you would have a poke lane like cait lux lol

[wheat notch]

yea but ziggs is bad at that 😭

[eternal palm]

Gwen doesn't even build pen and she shreds through everything smh

what has league come to

[night marsh]

She has true damage in her kit bro….

That gets amplified by items

[wheat notch]

Need smthg mildly inconvenient to happen to the Profane Hydra designer

Pyke mid is so unbearable

starts dshield and half healths you with 1 e hob aa aa aa

[formal quartz]

The item kind of paints itself into a corner too since to compete with ravenous it just needs to do significantly more damage and that’s like the only thing you can change.

[wheat notch]

I'm just mad that Pyke is entirely balanced around being unplayable midlane due to lack of waveclear and they make the perfect waveclear item for him

so honestly why not just play him mid

his base dmg is absolutely ridiculous anyways

he killed me in 1 rotation after stunning me with E when he had just profane youmuus

[wheat notch]

theres a guy at 400lp in na maining pyke mid / secondary supp

im krilling mysel

[eternal palm]

you would have killed him if you had a good song playing

song difference

[wheat notch]

Scar is a good song wtf

[dim kindle]

im very suprised you are still building stormsurge

[wheat notch]

only bc it doesnt really feel like i have a choice

It's competitors for the slot are like. Horizon, Cosmic, and Seraph's

and, lol

[wheat notch]

now that ive bought horizon on alt

did they fucking do something to thi sitem

why did it do so much

[wheat notch]

nvm

[wheat notch]

close game methinks

from this screenshot you wouldnt be able to determine the fact that karma started soft inting from early game

[night marsh]

this season just feels awful. Damage is just too high rn and fights are won that really shouldnt be

also top just feels like shit

[wheat notch]

what is that swain doing lmfao

but yeah it's really rough r n

[slim terrace]

they actually just undid the damage reduction patch with the new items

[prisma ravine]

Good, that patch sucked

(But also that patch was never supposed to nerf assassins, they admitted that that was just a screwup on their part)

[prisma ravine]

On a sidenote, whats up with Bards 1v1ing people

This isnt even the first time Ive seen it happen

Is blood song that good?

[dapper kite]

Thats not new

[slim terrace]

^

[humble glacier]

bard thing

generally nobodys actually going to be able to kill u

so u just hit people for fun

[sinful frost]

https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/24169857932435-Riot-Vanguard-League-of-Legends

[chilly ivy]

i think karma deals a bit of damage

[eternal palm]

I just had a karma top go vs illaoi, and she was like "dont come top i can 1v1 easy"

then she got blasted in lane and was like "i pinged to help top, what happened"

[chilly ivy]

i mean we had a liss with 2 items and i just killed her solo with malignance

as a support

it was clean af

[eternal palm]

Liss is such a good blind right now too

with all the degen shit running around

[formal quartz]

wait does malignance apply to her q and e?

assuming you r buff it

[chilly ivy]

q and w

e does no damage

mandate still did more damage than malignance lol

[eternal palm]

oh yeah that liss is never going to win that 1v1

liss damage output is so negligent

[chilly ivy]

2139 vs 1772

[eternal palm]

if she's not team fighting or massively far ahead

[chilly ivy]

it's not even that i can just dance around her

[eternal palm]

yep, you ourange her by a ton

[chilly ivy]

i even misplayed and ate a q and still caught her

[eternal palm]

as long as you space correctly you win that 100/0

you can also just go up in her face and R + W and she cant do anything about it

[formal quartz]

Ah that’s pretty cool

[dim kindle]

to be honest before stormsurge nerfs liss was actually kinda oneshotting

with pen build

[slim terrace]

heh good blind

[slim terrace]

isn't it a really bad idea to gank illaoi like that anyways

especially when she's ahead

[eternal palm]

Yeah basically

I just found it funny anybody would say an illaoi lane is easy

The difficulty of an illaoi lane depends on your ability to play her mini game

[slim terrace]

now it's easy with the lane widened :^)

[dim kindle]

on that note

you guys see the illaoi buff on pbe

tentacle slam increased by 150 units

looks completly broken

from what ive seen

I get the idea is bigger lane makes her tentacles shit so they need to hit longer but it also makes her crazy stronger in jungle chokes, river and pits

[night marsh]

I was just about to say something about that lol

that shit is so fucking stupid lmao

[slim terrace]

ARAM illaoi eatin good lmao

[prisma ravine]

Yeah they kinda dont have a great way to buff her other than that

[prisma ravine]

Tbh it barely affects her in ARAM

[slim terrace]

man watching t1 is such a treat

https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessFurtiveSwordRlyTho-tq5MiiHRXyrhA0Lq

[sullen crystal]

why have they removed all the stats in the game holy shit

why can't I see how much AD I get from manamune now, it just makes me do maths to find out

like some things show it like kaenic rookern and some things don't

it's so annoying

[dim kindle]

i hope they are planning to add it back ye

with some items shift shows more

but some just have nothing anymore

[prisma ravine]

Wait it should stil lbe showing that

That might be a bug

[sullen crystal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe it wasnt manamune but like

items that have "Gain X (X=Y*Z)" or something just don't show the actual result and only the calculation

[wheat notch]

why the fuck does abstaining count as a no vote anyways

complete bogus

if a vote is 3/1 i think the game should end

[eternal palm]

Abstaining is typically a no I would say

I usually abstain

[slim terrace]

abstaining is usually an abstain, not a no

"I choose not to vote" should not count for one side or the other, that's why it's called an abstain

[wheat notch]

+1

[prisma ravine]

You need a 3/4 majority to pass, if you have 3/5 votes with 1 abstraining thats still 3/5

Plus the other way around means it functionally counts as a yes

Which makes less sense

[eternal palm]

+1

[wheat notch]

idk man if someone abstains that looks like 3 out of 4 people voted yes

[humble glacier]

games should not end at 3/5

thats like letting people surrender at like 10 mins

[prisma ravine]

Well no, 3 out of 5 voted yes

If you want to just cut abstain out entirely, you want to count abstain as a yes vote, which makes less sense

[slim terrace]

no she wants to count abstain as a non-vote cause it's not a vote

so then 3/4 voted yes

[formal quartz]

I'm just going to assume they didnt wan't to put in the time to code in abstaining counts as 1 less total vote

[night marsh]

so one of my teammates gets blown up and starts a troll ff vote and the rest of the team is in the middle of a teamfight. If the teamfight lasts longer than the vote timer, you just lose?

[dim kindle]

yea im with you on that one

the system is just

you need 4 yes

and thats it

except for the recentish early surrender that needs 5

ive won so many comebacks lately that makes me really not want ff mentality to be encouraged more

[slim terrace]

wtf kind of teamfight are you in that lasts longer than an entire surrender vote

are you in the LPL

[wheat notch]

if one player is leaverbustered you only need 3

also what tf is lasting longer than a minute

without getting to vote

kinda unrealistic

[prisma ravine]

Yeah but thats functionally counting it as a yes

[night marsh]

yeah

[wheat notch]

its functionally ebing counted as a no vote

3/1 is 75%

thats ff

[night marsh]

I'll give you your abstain change if you give me voice chat

[slim terrace]

granted, league already has a voice chat feature

[wheat notch]

true

[night marsh]

soloq voice chat*

I need to hear these disgusting animals

[slim terrace]

you miss the n-word so bad you wanna go back to the cod days huh

[night marsh]

that's 80% of the fun of cod

[slim terrace]

shit true

how many slurs can the middle schooler squeak out

[night marsh]

tbh the best feature in cod is the post kill 3 second voice comms

if they added that to league, it would be insane lol

[wheat notch]

already exists 😀

[chilly ivy]

i do not want 10 year old kids screaming my ears off with "bliat" at 100db

[wheat notch]

???

[formal quartz]

do it

[chilly ivy]

get scammed

[night marsh]

"people of interest"

[wheat notch]

yeah theyre my Targets

u got a problem w that

[chilly ivy]

i'm not in her targets

phew

[wheat notch]

u never added me

[formal quartz]

You can make folders for your friend list?!?

[wheat notch]

[slim terrace]

smh peak counterstrike experience

[chilly ivy]

why would i add myself to a kill list

[wheat notch]

u didnt even know i had a kill list

[chilly ivy]

you've posted a screen with the friend list name multiple times

[wheat notch]

u didnt know it was a kill list

[chilly ivy]

nah but fr i just constantly forget

[wheat notch]

anyway

clash was . mid

only didnt get karma g1 because they had fp and also played karma yesterday 😮‍💨

[night marsh]

we're getting the runback today

we got a lil outdrafted

[formal quartz]

why arent you top? smh

[wheat notch]

is that annie called winged kuriboh

[night marsh]

we have a top laner that only plays garen so I had to play other roles to fill in

yeah

[wheat notch]

lmao what are the odds

[night marsh]

in g3

2 of them played yugioh

one even topped a regional in san antonio with dinos

[wheat notch]

dayum

i played against . uh

adolf driftler

[night marsh]

unrelated but briar still feels really good rn

been spamming her in flex which isn't the best representation but you still deal so much damage/heal

im not the biggest fan of the current build of titanic into sundered

[prisma ravine]

Which is the same as 4/1, hence being counted as a yes automatically

Also wait

Is Karma mid broken rn or what?

[prisma ravine]

Try Eclipse into Sundered into Titanic?

[wheat notch]

have u been sleeping under a rock everyone's posting abt it

the best part is malignance is getting giga buffed and karma is getting 0 nerfs next patch

[prisma ravine]

... how does it work on her

[chilly ivy]

every rq and rw triggers it

[prisma ravine]

... weird

[chilly ivy]

second parts don't cause malignance has a 3 sec cd

and those trigger faster than that

[prisma ravine]

They gave malignance a cd?

[chilly ivy]

you want every syndra ball to trigger it?

or other shitty circumstances

like dot ults

[wheat notch]

3sec on the same ult

if you cast 2 rqs in 2 secs or smthg its fair game

[chilly ivy]

it 100% needs a cd otherwise it's unmanageable

is it the same ult or just flat out 3secs

cause lol wiki doesn't say and idt they thought of karma

[wheat notch]

what

solar they had to specifically program the karma interaction in lol

because mantra itself doesn't do anything

[chilly ivy]

i meant lol wiki not thinking

[wheat notch]

oh

sure

[chilly ivy]

ofc they coded karma specifically

[wheat notch]

lemme check a replay idr if i had under3secs between 2 rqs or not

[chilly ivy]

you can just hop into practice, drop an rq then drop a rw on a target further away

[wheat notch]

dont wanna

[chilly ivy]

fair

[wheat notch]

ah it was

2 diff people

nvm

[dim kindle]

i read eclipse

and im like

this has to be the most broken item

but then it actually doesnt get built much

small win streak

[wheat notch]

yeah eclipse is gigafucked

[wheat notch]

its 3 secs general

mb

[dim kindle]

i legit hadnt read eclipse

until yesterday

like really properly

and i was like wtf 20% MAX Health and a shield on 6s cd

like what

[night marsh]

I'll try that

[wheat notch]

wy m20

its 8/4

[prisma ravine]

No like

[night marsh]

typing after 200 hours of genshin

[prisma ravine]

Malignance used to not have a cd

And I dont remember them adding it

[wheat notch]

it always had a cd oomfie

[chilly ivy]

it's not reflected in the client text

because riot

[wheat notch]

ye

[prisma ravine]

Im pretty sure swains ult can spawn multiple at once

[dim kindle]

it always had 3s ICD

[wheat notch]

yes on individual champs

each champ has a 3 sec cooldown

like mandate is 9sec

[prisma ravine]

Ooooh

Ok

That makes sense

Also yeah Eclipse is kinda nuts rn

And hardly anyone uses it

[night marsh]

most of the champs I play have specific items they want first but I'll try it out

[dim kindle]

also god bless lichbane

its like making viktor playable by itself

[night marsh]

I read throught he patch notes for the last nerf briar got and they were tring to reduce he playability of the lethality build

[dim kindle]

item is so good

ye they made her scale better with hp

[night marsh]

but it just doesn't look like that changed much lol

[dim kindle]

but somehow lethality is still playable

think the bruiser build is better tho

[night marsh]

cause on of the top performing builds is ghostblade collector

I'm too lazy to do the math

but her damage feels nice with ravenous/botrk

[wheat notch]

i suddenly want lb gutted

[night marsh]

also lich bane feels crazy yeah

[dim kindle]

like i just go chapter lichbane

[night marsh]

I started getting that 2nd instead of nashors on gwen

[dim kindle]

and i blast people

[night marsh]

did this shit always give 8% ms

[dim kindle]

but then against teams where u cant really build lich champ feels like shit again

lmao

[wheat notch]

ya

[slim terrace]

holy shit top ocean

I didn't even realized what happened until after the game lmao

[prisma ravine]

Honestly Im starting to consider Eclipse on Kha even

The lack of lethality isnt ideal but the passive effect is insane

[wheat notch]

find it very amusing that the russian spy did the worst

[prisma ravine]

Wait wtf is Urgot mid doing there

[prisma ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJklHIy3c5I

... what year is it?

[wheat notch]

2024

[slim terrace]

idk but y'know what, it worked out enough lol

he was the only guy to kill kog'maw

[prisma ravine]

Wack

[slim terrace]

so zoe q + passive can literally one-shot now

that's cool

zoe was 4/6 by the way

[prisma ravine]

Always could if its the full damage flash one

Really hard to hit those though

[wheat notch]

sadge

[prisma ravine]

Classic

Why is solo q so obsessed with invades anyway

[wheat notch]

free money

my ashe is 0/9

griefing toplaner and Bad Support Player

classic

[chilly ivy]

olaf just needed a few belts

[wheat notch]

and i need some whips

heartwarming

at least i know im not the problem

[wheat notch]

i dont like that rell can 1v1 me with just tank items

why tank do damage

[slim terrace]

no, trust me I've been playing zoe for a very long time lmao

unless you were very fed you could only do 80% or so

[prisma ravine]

I mean so have I

Thats why I know you could

(Depending on the build ig)

[slim terrace]

I mean I don't know where this conversation goes past "nuh uh" and "yuh huh" but I've done more than my fair share of dumb flash qs

[prisma ravine]

Clearly they werent dumb enough

You must embrace the power of the smoothbrain

(Also did you use the aery or comet runes or electrocute?)

[slim terrace]

I've used all 3 over the course of time

even dark harvest at some point

at the very least after the damage reduction patch, but that's a thing of the past at this point clearly

[prisma ravine]

Mmh

Idk I had fairly regular success with those oneshots

I say fairly regular because good luck hitting those Qs

[slim terrace]

are you factoring in your bubble too

cause that's the most realistic way you're hitting those long range Qs

[prisma ravine]

Nah

If my Q didnt kill Id usually do a Q Q R Flash E

Harder to react

[prisma ravine]

Is this the Ksante copypasta?

[slim terrace]

yeah

[wheat notch]

onhit tf a little bit unbalanced

i like that he can buy jak'sho's third and be completely unkillable

[prisma ravine]

Im surprised he didnt go Terminus

[wheat notch]

didnt need to

but its a bought account so i stopped caring about onhit tf

its just someone smurfing

[prisma ravine]

I mean yeah but it seems stronger than wits end of hexplate

[wheat notch]

shrug

go add them

[prisma ravine]

Im still not sure why Riot randomly buffed crit TF

[wheat notch]

mage tf ass

also they probably dont want his best build to be blue card oneshots

[prisma ravine]

I mean funny enough

The buffs also buffed AP TF

Who is apparently bonkers now

But just weird that they buffed that off-meta build of all things

[eternal palm]

Not so off meta anymore, feel like every TF I’ve ran into is on this build

Except I’ve seen more Terminus than jaksho

[wheat notch]

at least theyre buffing ziggs

in ways that do not fix his current issues at all 🔥

"oh his damage sucks? get the base armor we took away from you for no reason back, also your W cd, but you're not getting your 10 base dmg on q or e dmg back ever"

[wheat notch]

haaaaaaa

[wheat notch]

Anyways Akshan is such dog shit design holy fuck

I only forgot because no one plays him

I love facing one of the few midlaners that can actually just completely zone a ranged champ off of xp at level 2

why does studio ghibli food look so good my fatass thought this was a chicken nugget etc

[humble glacier]

this is technically 2 passive procs, Q, W sparkle, Dark Harvest and Stormsurge

[slim terrace]

[dim kindle]

i think ap tf is actually pretty good

roa into lich is very solid

og build back

[formal quartz]

I have literally never seen an ap tf do anything

Could be my elo but they all have done nothing

[humble glacier]

tfs kit looks simple but hes kinda hard to actually play if you dont play him alot

[dim kindle]

ye

[wheat notch]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH WHAT ARE THEY DOING MAN

u cannot be serious

[eternal palm]

What’s wrong with this?

[prisma ravine]

The proc is hella nerfed

Also 95 ap is cursed af

[wheat notch]

mages need dmg

nto fucking 2 dollar items

why are they removing 5ap for 100gold reduction???????????????? XD?

while also making the proc dmg inferior to the live version if you have 126 or more ap

u could literally leave the ap value untouched with the gold reduction and luden's would still be dogshit

[dim kindle]

idk the mana item changes are a bit directionless

also horizon focus is so crazy on hwei

wish i realized earlier

its like a whole different champ with it

[wheat notch]

it's so nonsensical

[wheat notch]

i fucking hate tank players lol i love getting strawmanned on reddit 🔥

what

[chilly ivy]

This is

Lmao

All we want is for both mid and adc focusing down a tank make it explode in 2-3 seconds

And not in 10 while also killing one of us

[wheat notch]

yeah he's like if ur mad about tanks being tanky give them back damage and i posted a clip where a rell (with 0 mr) solokills me

while i only do 60% of her health

this is surely a scenario that should be The Norm

[chilly ivy]

Tanks are difficult to balance tho, I'll give them that

But that is a bit too far

[wheat notch]

exaggerating a bit

i had lee kick her away and then i die to karthus

but if it remained a 1v1 i die

[chilly ivy]

Problem with tanks in league is that they either have to cc or have to do dmg otherwise you can ignore them

[wheat notch]

https://youtu.be/RA5PQg6TA_s?si=gOBasg59xuu_jeWC

[gray sandal]

Outplayed

[wheat notch]

:(

shouldve bought kaenic rookern, clearly

this is the same champ

[prisma ravine]

Wintry when champs in a skinline have the same aesthetic

[slim terrace]

nah that's like practically the same splash

[wheat notch]

I literally couldn't tell them apart at first glance

[prisma ravine]

Smh

Morde is covered up Shen isnt

[wheat notch]

😮‍💨

I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN I LOVE KAENIC ROOKERN

[gray sandal]

it gets nerfed soon dw

[wheat notch]

i still do 0 dmg to tanks

maybe i should play cut down

[night marsh]

Maybe it’s time to take out the wintertree azir

[wheat notch]

i dont have the hands for that thing

[eternal palm]

Agreed, Azir requires too much hands

[dim kindle]

ive unironically been considering cut down

vs tanky teams

on mages

its probably legit

on the topic of tanks

[chilly ivy]

i love that now i cannot kill tanks with only boots for mr while they literally one shot me in a rotation of spells

what the fuck riot

[dim kindle]

I think they are in overall a healthier spot this season

[chilly ivy]

[dim kindle]

just mr items a bit overtuned

[chilly ivy]

i literally could not do damage to them regardless of mr items or not

[dim kindle]

Tanks have to do damage otherwise we get no front to back fighting and only blow up wars that everyobe dislikes

but its a fine line

[chilly ivy]

yes but i do not want a tank to be an assassin

cause a 0/3 tahm came in and deleted me in 3 seconds

[dim kindle]

Assassins are more defined by target access and in and out gameplay

not necessarily most damage

[chilly ivy]

oh he was in and out all right

because we need to take combined dps of 3 ppl to kill him in 5 seconds he can simply single out someone and w out

again, to just make a point, this was a 0/3 tahm

[dim kindle]

I think league playerbase has a really skewed view on this because they only ever played league

[dim kindle]

ye but also the kda isnt relevant since its almost all base damage

[chilly ivy]

?

this is tahm

half his dmg is from hp

[dim kindle]

The damage check is whether your champ/role is supposed to be able to kill tahm before he kills you but I will say tahm is an oddball case because his tuning has been so all over the place from attempts at moving him to top from support

in most mobas historically and now tanks are basically the protagonist of the game for 2/3rd of it

[wheat notch]

#1020071851168378941 message 🔥

0 mr. kills me

[dim kindle]

leagues a little different because game has shifted to earlier agency

for carries

[wheat notch]

also the issue here is that liandry gives hp again

so it disables cut down for so long

[dim kindle]

thats true

I mean the intention was quite clearly to not have it be a primary mage item

and to make tank killing a matter of very sustained damage

[wheat notch]

and then they failed

by making no good mage items

LMFAOOOOO

[dim kindle]

I dont think its that bad but I do think we should have a liandry esque item instead of malignance

[wheat notch]

crypt's got 3 users. horizon deleted from game and only xerath has it be bis. morellonomicon turned into a support item. malignance has 3 users. seraph's became worse. luden's is fine but underwhelming relative to what everyone else got

[dim kindle]

I think the goal is to say you need tank killers to kill tanks

[wheat notch]

let me spec into being a tank killer with items sigh

it was already bad last szn now its actually mission impossible

[dim kindle]

Ye but its like a champ like ziggs is straight up supposed to struggle with killing tanks

Im not saying its tuned correctly

but artillery mages absolutely do need to struggle with having a tank in their face

[wheat notch]

this is true. however: he also doesnt have the items to kill squishies 💀

stormsurge is the only item he could abuse and even then it feels bad now and i just prefer going liandrys 2nd

shadowflame fell off

[dim kindle]

I think ziggs in particular got giga fucked by items

i will say you are probably underestimating horizon

I tested that item yesterday and its so much better than reads on paper

[wheat notch]

Only way I'm underestimating Horizon is util.

the damage is just way too lacking on paper

[wheat notch]

eg.

I don't value ability haste highly on Ziggs especially since having too much of it makes Luden's procs much more inconsistent

Even having 38 (Luden + Trans + 8) makes your Q cd 2.9sec so spamming it means only every 2nd Q procs Luden's

[dim kindle]

id probably just stick to seraph horizon then liandry if appropriate

[wheat notch]

Seraph's is way too weak of a shield to be worth it unfort

the only good mage defensive on Ziggs is a Verdant Barrier

[dim kindle]

Maybe ludens is about to be good enough

[wheat notch]

It's getting effectively getting nerfed next patch

because they cut 5 ap off it to shave the gold cost

because Ziggs scalings are terrible

if it was +10ap and the passive changes i think it would've been good

[dim kindle]

Yeah im not really a fan pf it either but its better until like 2 and a half on some champs?

[wheat notch]

It's better until 125ap

lmao

[dim kindle]

ye but i mean the math is not actually that simple

cuz how many ziggs qs are you casting before ludens ready again

that benefit from the ap etc

But also -100g is pretty good

biggest winners are rod champs though

maybe rod swain is real again

[wheat notch]

if you have 30 haste every q has a ludens proc on it bc ziggs q has 3.1sec cd ludens is 3sec

unless you cast w|e|r inbetween

[dim kindle]

shit youre right i forgot about how new ludens can fire before full charge

[wheat notch]

ya its really good

[dim kindle]

on viktor its weird cuz all 3 feel viable but not great