Anyways this all sounds like you just auto lose to 2+ tank comps
#League of Legends
eternal palm
dim kindle
ap burst items are def a bit too good esp on ap assassins
after the next issue are bruisers imo
hexplate sundered sky feel a bit too good at making divers statcheck
ad assassins got off the worst i think
havent looked at support items much
Voidgrubs dont feel worth trading for dragon but are a good pickup for free
night marsh
idk if it's the champs I play but the voidgrubs murder me
dim kindle
like they are good in the sense that if you are already crossmapping taking the grubs is definitely better than taking enemy jgl camps
night marsh
as a solo laner*
dim kindle
but like it doesnt feel very impactful
dim kindle
idk if it's the champs I play but the voidgrubs murder me
ye jglers do 20% more to all camps
so as a solo takes way longer
formal quartz
Yeah you definitely need the jungler lol
night marsh
I can solo it
dim kindle
on yi i can solo them in like 30s
night marsh
it's just I come out with liek 200 hp and no mana
dim kindle
at 80% hp
formal quartz
You probably need heals
dim kindle
but yea idt ur ever supposed to just go solo them as top
night marsh
extra damge to towers+2 additional bodies for the tower to hit
dim kindle
early game
night marsh
yeah it's weird
cause I used to just grab riftheralds early
if I had prio and the wave was at their tower
but rift is just easier to take in general
so it might be a camp thing
night marsh
sunderer needs to get nerfed
and stormsurge
stormsurge is obvious but sunderer just says win every trade every 6seconds
dim kindle
ye stormsurge definitely
maybe ludens too im not sure
Light touch tho
then sundered sky healing
and maybe hexplate
formal quartz
Hexplate at least needs commitment so I’m indifferent about it
dim kindle
ye its a big maybe
night marsh
which one is hexplate
eternal palm
night marsh
@slim terrace cough
night marsh
oh
I forgot
actually wait
@slim terrace I have an account I can play with you on
slim terrace
ok
slim terrace
Mochi#5425
eternal palm
@night marsh pick my top lane champion for my first game of the day
nvm took too long, had to lock in sett
eternal palm
ngl lissandra feels really good
eternal palm
idk what they wnated me to do here, smacked the akali in lane, forced her to lane swap, smacked the syndra, and yone fed the akali then started blaming every single person but himself lol
prisma ravine
Id probably have swapped as well to shut down the Akali
Akali vs Yone is really in her favour
slim terrace
I think I need to get something positive out of this to get addicted to it
wheat notch
LP
also turn chat off
even if you don't think you don't get tilted by reading from it it's still distracting
eternal palm
That should apply for every item that has a passive effect that goes on cd no? Like hexdrinker?
dapper kite
sundered sky too
botrk too, obviously, exlipse, stormsurge
steraks, ga
locket, heartsteel
randuins, unending despair
the list just goes on
i think some of the new support items also have a cd
eternal palm
Btw how good is that 1 fighter item that gives you haste on your ultimate and increases your attack speed and movement speed after using your ultimate?
dapper kite
the new ap items too, the one that gets stacks and the one that heals
eternal palm
I was going to get it on sett, but they ff’d at 15
prisma ravine
Good on some
Not sure on who exactly
Hmm
Im trying to think if using the haste runes could work on Kha
But lethality items are actually good now and you dont get much from going bruiser
slim terrace
Oh we have the same record on ladder komi
hopefully I can climb to gold quick cause ik most of my opponents were pushovers mechanically lol
sullen crystal
Btw how good is that 1 fighter item that gives you haste on your ultimate and in...
feel like it's not really the play on sett
I think you'd want to build it on characters like jax who have an ult that lasts x duration of time
actually nah thinking about it could be good on sett
any ult that gets you to stick on people or wants you to
prisma ravine
Hmmm, Im trying to theorycraft this Kha'Zix build with item haste
But Tiamat just kinda doesnt slot in well?
sullen crystal
does tiamat not build into profane?
prisma ravine
Ye
Its mostly the fact that I wanna get two other items after Tiamat ASAP
And then Im not sure Profane is a good buy compared to other options since your third item is usually utility
sullen crystal
hmm true
tiamat just sitting in there isn't really great either, especially cause once you have the other 3 items you don't need the tiamat clear boost
prisma ravine
Its not terrible tbh, its still a bit of bonus damage
Maybe Ill try this out in normals
sullen crystal
think it's worth experimenting with
night marsh
Btw how good is that 1 fighter item that gives you haste on your ultimate and in...
It’s ok. I built it on yi and fiora but I need to experiment more
eternal palm
feel like it's not really the play on sett
The movespeed is super nice for sticking unto people, there’s a reason you take phase rush into some matchups
sullen crystal
yessir
might try it on panth
biggest issue with his ult is that people can just walk away unless they're over committed
also will celerity work with the new MS rune? cause I feel like if it does that's cracked
celerity, waterwalking, extra ms rune
zippin and zoomin across the rift
prisma ravine
MS normally stacks additively
And it has soft caps/diminishing returns
So itll work probably, but its not that great in all likelyhood
eternal palm
I mean it helps that Celerity is by far the best rune in that tier
wheat notch
never gonna catch me buying shadowflame again either, damn!
formal quartz
is it bad?
eternal palm
Wintry is coping 
dim kindle
i dont understand why everyone is doing these low damage mage builds now
i understand the idea that ludens maybe isnt that great
but archaengel first item
really
being a minion until 3 items doesnt sound appealing to me
idk itemization is kinda starting to feel awkward again because you need haste but you also still need liandrys to actually do consistent damage to anything remotely tanky
mage damage vs squishies is way up but mr items are crazy
wheat notch
is it bad?
just isnt good enough against tanks to give up stormsurge
eternal palm
Archangel first item has never not been trolling
You buy the early tear and go into your main damage item then complete your archangels 2nd
dim kindle
Idk it feels like ap assassins and ap bruisers got everything they wanted
and mages only benefit from snowballing with assassin items
prisma ravine
Ludens kinda seems mid ngl
prisma ravine
Damn
night marsh
Idk it feels like ap assassins and ap bruisers got everything they wanted
I;d argue the opposite
I think ad brusiers just have worse items rn
besides stormsurge being broken
wheat notch
graphic design is my passion
sullen crystal
considering what I've seen before with league I think it's quite good
sullen crystal
just played my first aram since hwei's been added
that champion is genuinely unbearable on aram
wheat notch
well I can read it
i pray u can read this one too
i had to edit the font a bit because it was malformed
eternal palm
Well caps just dominated with AD Leblanc
Storm surge + protobelt seems to be popular on like everybody rn in the LEV
prisma ravine
Idk AD bruiser items are real good
Eclipse is insane and Sundered is pretty good if you have high base AD
dim kindle
I think ad brusiers just have worse items rn
ap bruisers have objectively better items now than before
Every single one is doing better
morde gwen rumble singed
didnt check lillia
ap assassins are all up
The only thing is that mr items are also way better
gwen is still sitting at a crazy good winrate even after her nerfs
a champ that was balanced around sub 50 before
That said my issue isnt even with ap bruisers
ap items are good but mages are the worst at using them
ap bruisers have anti tank tools build in
if i wanna do damage to a strong tank as viktor I have to build liandry which no longer has my ideal stats and void
and i still have to build a mana item
and then i may also be against a direct assassin
So when im ahead as a mage I can play like an ap assassin without the mobility or be rich enough to just build everything i need anyway
Or im even and I feel miserable
like ye its funny that I can play headshot viktor again
but its not funny that my direct counters are at a peak and I cant do anything to mr builders without gimping myself
akali casually by far the most broken champ in the game again
also im kinda starting to hate the map changes
its crazy what ur allowed to do around towers
with the new pathways
they wanted to make mid safer but its the opppsite imo
/rant over
id rather play against mage zed than 50% wr akali like 50 times over
Poor zed on that note
prisma ravine
Tbh Zed players are also just buying the wrong items
dim kindle
i think ppl also forgot how to play "real" zed
pre hydra zed
he was a very different champ last year
lillia going crazy too actually
prisma ravine
I mean maybe
But just the fact that Zeds are mostly going Cyclosword is painful to see
prisma ravine
Though looking at the stats
It seems Zed is just not good as an assassin in general rn
The only item that does well is a bruiser item
dim kindle
I feel like lethality on itself is extremely strong but ranged champs just use it better
i think we probably need a ranged lethality nerf
dim kindle
It seems Zed is just not good as an assassin in general rn
yea they balanced him around the hydra build last year
so now he is just weak
prisma ravine
Phlox already mentioned that cyclosword probably needs a buff, but needs to first be split so its less good on ranged
dim kindle
I dont think just full reverting flat pen without compensation was smart
prisma ravine
The rare good bot meta
dim kindle
we are gonna have to disagree on that but yea lethality mf jhin are very good
prisma ravine
I dont think just full reverting flat pen without compensation was smart
The compensation is that the items are way weaker
dim kindle
Good for you then
dim kindle
yes but that makes it just better for adcs
prisma ravine
If cooldowns matter you just buy Navoris so you dont have cooldowns anymore
Yeah
It might need a ranged split
dim kindle
its just better if lethality is balamced for ad assassins and crit for marksman
prisma ravine
Eh
Id rather adcs are not forced into crit and can go onhit or lethality
Right now Id certainly not want crit to be forced while Navoris exists
prisma ravine
I would disagree actually, Id say theyre significantly less forgiving to play
dim kindle
yea thats just wrong but I know your issue with crit
prisma ravine
You need an early lead
dim kindle
you really dont
prisma ravine
Because lethality is strong early and falls off pretty hard relative to crit
As crit even if youre behind you can just scale and sometimes get lucky with a kill
But with lethality if youre behind you have no great means to catch up and you cant scale
Combine that with lethality adcs typically being fairly immobile
dim kindle
sounds true in theory but isnt in practice because getting multiple autos in while behind is way harder than going Q AA or e r on mf
lethality will yield ur more damage to make comeback picks with burst
prisma ravine
I found it to be true in practice too, lethality metas are where skill mattered the most
Eh
If you fall behind you dont have the burst neccessary
(Granted thats moreso referring to previous lethality metas, idk how strong it is now exactly)
dim kindle
lethality builds are simply way too easier to play mechanically for that to be true
prisma ravine
Err
Lethality MF is not easier than crit MF
Lethality Jhin sure as hell isnt easier than crit Jhin
dim kindle
it definifely is
prisma ravine
Well no, because both do similar things, crit MF however can mess up her ult positioning and still be strong, or fuck up her Q bounce and still do max damage
dim kindle
The only thing ill agree on is that lethality builds can punish you for not closing games out if you are the primary carry
you will lose lethality varus games where u throw lead
prisma ravine
There are mistakes you can make on crit builds and be fine that you cant on lethality builds, not so much vice versa
dim kindle
and get outscaled by vayne
dim kindle
There are mistakes you can make on crit builds and be fine that you cant on leth...
insane take
prisma ravine
Its true though
Youll die the same way both times, but if you screw up your ult on lethaltiy thats it, because thats like the whole reason youre good
If you screw it up on a crit build youre fine, because you can just still be a threat with autos
Well, "fine"
dim kindle
Playing champs/built based on movement autoing constantly get you punished way more for mechanical errors
prisma ravine
Youre not as good as you would normally be, but youre still way better
wheat notch
How did this Lucian fumble this lane so bad holy shit
dim kindle
lethality leaves you vulnerable to outscaling based on poor macro
wheat notch
(and why didn't Ekko camp me)
prisma ravine
Playing champs/built based on movement autoing constantly get you punished way m...
The adcs building lethality still focus a lot on their abilities when threyre building crit, they just have their autos as a fallback
Though yes, in general crit builds are more skilled in the very lategame, as long as the teamcomps arent built to remove that
In the early to mid-game lethality builds are more skilled
dim kindle
agree to disagree 
prisma ravine
Sure
Realistically though on-hit would probably be the best balancing angle
Shame Riot doesnt like that
wheat notch
Big fan that >Yone did the most damage on our team btw
When he went like 1/6 in lane
prisma ravine
You crushed your enemy too hard
He couldnt get enough levels to have high enough hp
:^)
wheat notch
Shoutout to Stormsurge
I'm pretty sure I ulted nami
and she got literally 100-0d because of Squall
Ah not 100 she got chipped by Senna R
Outskilled really
prisma ravine
Stormsurge is funny
wheat notch
I like how the nerf just
doesn't matter
and it's still the best burst item ever
I thought they'd make the trigger harder to achieve or something
Like do 40 or 45% not 35%
prisma ravine
Thatd defeat the point tbh
wheat notch
I mean I don't think Ziggs should be able to proc it just off Q and E
It's not his item at all
But it's so easy to activate it doesn't matter
wheat notch
It's not his item at all
I think Horizon should be his item but it is so fucking bad with the powercreep this season it will never be bought unless they make it even better than pre-mythics Horizon (115ap 0haste) 😀
eternal palm
For what it’s worth they did promise us that assassins would be back in the preseason talk
sullen crystal
I hope shaco players genuinely step on lego
had this guy sit in my topside for a whole minute
single most unbearable playstyle
wheat notch
I want to go back to the time where I forgot Tristana mid existed
What a dumb fuck champion
I suddenly get why the #1 Trist mid started W most games
You can just jump them and it's impossible to punish
wheat notch
my favourite part about syndra is that shes an artillery without any of the cons that come with being an artillery
sullen crystal
man fiora is awful to play vs this patch lmao
humble glacier
my favourite part about syndra is that shes an artillery without any of the cons...
my favourite part about syndra is that shes unbelievably busted
ftfy
sullen crystal
mage items might be a little good
ult stun and w killed me
also karthus ult with stormsurge + malignance does nearly 1500 damage every cast
insane shit
eternal palm
what the fuck is this support item????
Every single pro player/analyst is saying everybody is ignoring support items despite them being by far the most busted
humble glacier
oh yeah riot broke the support item meta again
adc's r buying it because the restrictions arent tight enough
just like every other time they rework this godforsaken thing.....
prisma ravine
Adcs are buying support items?
wheat notch
Every single pro player/analyst is saying everybody is ignoring support items de...
It's crazy they made better Luden's on a support item
I thin kI need
another champ
against non mages
mage i stomp non-mage i eat shit and die and also pay my opponent 30usd paypal
sullen crystal
like this senna would q auto me and chunks me as malphite even when she has no armour pen
eternal palm
against non mages
Weren’t you playing Jayce?
There’s also always gragas
Gragas is a fine neutralizing pick into ap assassins
wheat notch
if i lock in jayce against leblanc im going to seek medical assistance in canada
prisma ravine
Im back to having more chests than keys 
wheat notch
gragas could work but he is not my champ
eternal palm
No better chance to pick up a champ than early season ig
Going off what ik you play, idt swain is the answer since you need first item to really feel strong, uh, I actually can’t think of anything else you play besides swain and Ziggs rn
wheat notch
if im gonna learn a new champ it will be on my alt
like the real answer is just playing karma mid
but i really dont wanna. play a team oriented champ.
eternal palm
Oh yeah karma works
prisma ravine
God I hate that ADCs still dominate ARAM
eternal palm
Karma can sometimes make incompetent teams feel competent tbf
prisma ravine
Its so boring whenever one team has more ADCs than the other
wheat notch
it helps that mandate is So Not Balanced rn
and a friend of mine also said Ardent is broken
eternal palm
Dagda said we were probably heading into ardent meta in the LEC preview show
Because the item combined with adc builds rn is so good
wheat notch
bottom text
what im hearing is im gonna be on karma duty in scrims LMAO
ziggs is so ass
eternal palm
Btw Humanoid has been looking like the best mid in the LEC again
Actually hard gapping entire teams by himself
prisma ravine
God, I have missed Kha doing damage
A+
I hate getting chests in aram its so arbitrary
night marsh
how does the adc buying support item strat work
sinful frost
inb4 you just buy it and "miss" some of your last hits
(I am unaware of the strategy)
wheat notch
God the Riot Client is so abusable
Someone crashed the lobby because it's just dodging without any of the penalties >.>
sullen crystal
oh yeah I saw that's a thing now
like modded clients you can check op.gg of people in the lobby or just crash it
wheat notch
got really outskilled here
wheat notch
Caitlyn should really just
not be allowed to buy Lethality items
it's so degenerate
wheat notch
interactive 👍 👍
wheat notch
why the fuck is hubris rebranded to ataraxia after ornn upgrades it
makes no sens
how do u go from THE Ego Item to tranquility
dim kindle
ornn put a shoe on it
wheat notch
i just had a zed do 700 of my health in 1 rotation at lv5
this champ is so not balance dlmfao
that actually doomed my lane
im so mad
wheat notch
yeah man hes so weak which is why this guy gets to have the freest lane of his life just by virtue of playing Zewd
i first blood him
and now i cant even be in the same lane as him
prisma ravine
Might just be a bad matchup
prisma ravine
How so?
prisma ravine
Shadow clones are cool 
wheat notch
and inc redibly fucking
lenient
for 0 reason
i think if an assassin fucks up his engage
he should die
prisma ravine
Wdym lenient? The cooldown is fucking eternal
wheat notch
and not get a get out of jail free card
prisma ravine
Oh he used to have that
prisma ravine
People complained because his burst had no counterplay
No like
His shadow used to spawn on the enemy way back
On his ult
So if he got in he couldnt get out
But if he got on you he always killed you
wheat notch
far as im concerned if he ulkts me i still die
because his numbers are way too high i guess
prisma ravine
Not reliably, though maybe against Ziggs
But yeah they gave him counterplay in exchange for an escape
Anyway Im guessing he isnt a good matchup for Ziggs anymore since he is more early-game focused now
wheat notch
wow instead of being able to trade he could just ignore his laner with dshield q spam
what a difference
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
wheat notch
feels good knowing i was playing at the capacity of 2 players at once i guess
prisma ravine
Also why are people on Sundered Sky on Lee anyway?
wheat notch
with just double longsword
ruined my whole lane
who needs first blood disadvantage anyways
wheat notch
Wow your team sucked
bet op.gg will place me 8th for having the most deaths
7th. same difference
prisma ravine
But yeah Zed is still on the weaker side by all accounts, though part of that may be bad itemisation
This guy actually picked a better first item than most Zeds do
wheat notch
i love checking
the #1 zed
and hes got 60% winrate in 60 games
for sure screams weak to me
those stats are gonna drive mei nsane
prisma ravine
For someone playing below his usual elo 60% does seem not that high to me? Im pretty sure Midbeast has like 80% on Taliyah rn
wheat notch
He peaked 750lp (gm) last szn
his last game's jungler was 1400lp challenger last season
i would not say that is Below His Usual
wheat notch
i mean his mmr is gonna match him with high elos anyways
the zed i had my ass beaten by was 540lp peak
i have to remember that if i get an early kill i just win lane for free and i should just be ignoring my opponent at that point . first strike has rotten my brain too much
prisma ravine
Yeah midbeast is 80% on Taliyah (what the fuck)
wheat notch
roaming champ good
prisma ravine
60% for an OTP doesnt seem that high to me by comparison
But well see, theyll probably talk about Zed in 14.2
I think theyll either buff him, or more likely buff the item people keep buying that isnt very good rn
wheat notch
60% for an OTP doesnt seem that high to me by comparison
ur talking to someone who has a 50% wr rn
prisma ravine
Yes but youre playing Ziggs
prisma ravine
But yeah Im predicting Cyclosword buffs (With a ranged melee split)
And maybe a nerf to opportunity (or a ranged/melee split)
wheat notch
if that item gets buffed im killing my self every time i see it it does 3 trillion damage
prisma ravine
Cyclosword???
Cyclosword literally does flat damage, it doesnt scale with anything
Its a dogshit version of last seasons prowlers rn
wheat notch
lets keep it that way
prisma ravine
Nah, lets buff it and make it good. Lets have some assassin item diversity for once
wheat notch
of course it doesnt have a stat tracker
prisma ravine
prisma ravine
It kinda makes sense
wheat notch
its just that theyre not the ones that mattetr
wheat notch
malignance
prisma ravine
Because I know Ludens and Stormsurge dont
... I havent seen malignance yet so fair enough
wheat notch
sundered sky
prisma ravine
Thats the healing iirc
wheat notch
yes but its a stat tracker
prisma ravine
Yeah theyre stat-tracking healing, but not damage (generally)
The logic kinda makes sense too
The stats ended up often just being misleading
prisma ravine
Shield ... shield and I have no idea what the last one does
wheat notch
dream maker
prisma ravine
... thats not an item name is it?
What the fuck why are there so many items I have not heard of
wheat notch
yes it is
prisma ravine
Oh wait
wheat notch
its a support item
wheat notch
muramana
prisma ravine
Im pretty sure Muramana no longer stat tracks
wheat notch
why are you judging how strong zed is when you have no sr games played anyways
prisma ravine
Anyway I still wanna find a champion who can abuse cooldown items
Because I analyse stuff based on data
prisma ravine
The absolute value is worthless, the relative value can be useful
His difficulty shouldnt have changed after all
Buuut also his banrate in master+ and his pickrate are both low by his standards
prisma ravine
Im getting 14% on u gg, and he usually had like 20%+ in master+ even when Riot considered him a touch on the weaker side
wheat notch
far as im aware lolalytics is more accurate
the only thing you need to account for is winrates being wacko
like
prisma ravine
Lolalytics is way less accurate because they use cross-elo games for their stats
wheat notch
how does zed only have 106 matches recorded on ugg
prisma ravine
Which means you get banrate from below and above
prisma ravine
how does zed only have 106 matches recorded on ugg
Low number of in-elo matches since its season start probably?
wheat notch
i mean
i think looking at only in-elo games is a bit silly
considering theres only 1300 master players on euw rn
prisma ravine
Cross-elo games tend to be one-sided stomps
And if a master player is facing diamonds he might buy items he wouldnt buy against equally good players
prisma ravine
Nah but you might buy Hubris if youre 3-0 in the laning phase because your opponent isnt as good
(for instance)
wheat notch
hubris is really good in soloq anyawy
prisma ravine
Its decent now ye
Still a snowball item tho
Also random sidenote
I thought Cryptbloom was gonna be way better than it is
Why does it have a cooldown
Why does it heal so little
wheat notch
Why does it have a cooldown
lol could you imagine 2 takedowns and you just heal your whole team for a fifth each
its overbalanced so someone like veigar doesnt just vine thud sound all over th eenemy team
wheat notch
a 50 base heal isnt so negligible to take it out of the equation entirely >.>
wheat notch
aeh my brain is rotten
still i mena
i get over 700ap late game with deathcap
and i dont even take gathering storm or abfoc
prisma ravine
Even that would be 400 heal once
Which isnt nothing
But its not really a lot either at a point where most people get chunked?
wheat notch
now imagine aoe healing 2000 each takedown if it had no cd
prisma ravine
I mean if youre healing 2000 the enemy team is already dead
wheat notch
400x5
prisma ravine
Yeah
wheat notch
i dont think 1 takedown is the hwole team oomfie
prisma ravine
5 takedowns = enemy team is dead
Oh
You mean like that
Thatd be aoe healing 400 tho, not 2000
Idk Ive not seen anyone use the item yet
I even skipped it on Veigar because it seemed mid
Btw is Malignance still good on Swain?
prisma ravine
Hm, interesting
prisma ravine
Thats a wack build
wheat notch
not rly
swain doenst need more than rylai to thrive early and frozen heart is giga broken rn
formal quartz
Frozen heart being 2300 is robbery
wheat notch
eh
not rushed at least
expenny + no mana + no wenches + ye have scurvy
at least rylai is cheapo to compensate for early chapter
prisma ravine
Yeah its not a first item, but Id get it second
wheat notch
eh
idk abt that...
it wasnt even his best mythic last season when it had relatively better stats
although suffering is pretty broken...
prisma ravine
Im pretty sure it was, or did you go Jak'Sho?
Anyway, 2% hp/s is like way stronger than its last season version
It gives you good damage without preventing you from going tank
wheat notch
Im pretty sure it was, or did you go Jak'Sho?
Luden's was significantly better damagewise especially with Ingenious Hunter
and if you wanted sustain Husum spammed RoA into Cosmic
prisma ravine
Im pretty sure Liandrys did more damage than Ludens
And RoA is, well
Its RoA
It was mid
wheat notch
then you are looking at the wrong places idk
prisma ravine
I dont think I am
wheat notch
also smthg smthg onetricks and itemising poorly
cough. ziggs players. cough
cough. professional players
prisma ravine
I mean Ludens also had a low pick rate and didnt do well judging by 13.24 stats
Anyway I guess well see
I might play Swain support or swain carry
If we ever flex
wheat notch
i love looking at only 1 patch and basing it off exclusively winrate and not playtesting
wheat notch
because players dont critically think about items enough
do u want me to post ziggs seraph pickrate from last season at u
despite being dog . ass
they just see liandrys popular and click
prisma ravine
No need, I know a lot of swains went RoA
Even though RoA was just kind of a bad item tbh
wheat notch
RoA was fine the way Husum rolled it
but Squidgy was adamant that shit sucked and Husum only bought it bc he liked the item
dapper kite
... wait Kassadin should be funny this season
malignance for that sweet cooldown on the ult
wheat notch
anyway Luden's Tempest solod Liandry's
prisma ravine
Eh idk about using malignance
Im thinking RoA, Seraphs, Frozen Heart
Then flex the last 2 slots
wheat notch
just buy malignance it's more mana for seraphs and the mpen goes brazy smh
go roa seraphs malignance ludens frozen heart for the 5 mana item wombo copium
prisma ravine
Oh it gives mana
Hmm
Could be a decent fourth item
And then last item is whatever
Not Ludens probably
wheat notch
smoge
wheat notch
what if u Didnt do that
prisma ravine
Then I wouldnt be an inventor of creative builds
wheat notch
u dont have to be
dapper kite
me when im creative by replacing on tear item with another
seraphs taric goes brazy, trust
prisma ravine
u dont have to be
Yesi do smh
sinful frost
Okay UNJohnny
sullen crystal
stormsurge needs nerfing so hard man
no reason for that item to be carrying characters so hard
had a galio e w me and it nearly did half my health
slim terrace
wheat notch
PLEASE have this item be good
this item sucks. gg
wheat notch
they want it to be a support item
i guess
its so cringe
it makes sense when u consider that 3/5ths of the artillery mage pool migrated to support from midlane
.>
i like that irelia can
whiff e
and ult
and still run me down and kill me
because of her ul;t passive
very joyous
its my fault for face checking
but god. what the fuck.
at least i tried my best
:I
wheat notch
but god. what the fuck.
She wasn't even massively ahead (actually she was 1k gold ahead but w.e.)
If anything my inventory was better >.>
wheat notch
very funny aeri
sullen crystal
thank you I'm here all week
wheat notch
Tbf you did use W prior
she had flash anyways
it really upsets me because if her ult didnt give q cdr i mightve made it out bc of w
but then she could just flash q me anyway
eternal palm
She could have also flash Q’d a caster minion for distance if you were too far, so yeah, you were probably fucked either ways
Play my goddess Lissandra (though you have to be okay with not doing real damage unless you get a chain of passive ghosts popping on multiple people)
wheat notch
I'm not ok with thag
I have so many mages I'd play before Liss that I don't want to play lol
wheat notch
She could have also flash Q’d a caster minion for distance if you were too far, ...
i also like her not taking any damage despite having no mr and not using w
hit by ult center, grievous wounds, doesn't go under 50% hp XD
dim kindle
lethality really flying under riots radar
im fine with rift and surge nerf but lethality is not ok
wheat notch
word
prisma ravine
Yeah
Im guessing they'll split it but they haven't figured out the details yet
Outside of adcs lethality is fine
humble glacier
did they remove horizon proc'ing off of slows?
formal quartz
Yes
prisma ravine
Riftmaker looking mad weak there ngl
wheat notch
what
it's so much healing
the omnivamp is legit giga busted
i had grievous on my ass the whole fight and i still healed a trillion
if it was liandry i wouldve simnply keeled over and died
prisma ravine
Idk you only get Omnivamp halfway through and it feels like you healed more from your ult than the omnivamp
wheat notch
i got omnivamp at the same time as when i got grievous
wheat notch
i wouldve been the one killed
riftmaker sustain is legit crasy
hold on i have another clip somewhere
wheat notch
i dont rly need rylai
with ghost phase rush
Riftmaker needs a healing done stat trak
eternal palm
Can confirm the Omnivamp is busted
chilly ivy
the person who buffed zed needs to get fired
wheat notch
word
prisma ravine
This one does make Riftmaker look better
prisma ravine
the person who buffed zed needs to get fired
But why though
chilly ivy
because he just one shot me with zero items from 100
prisma ravine
Did he land everything?
chilly ivy
no
prisma ravine
(Well the buff to his damage in the early game)
In the early game it should be something like 20 extra damage
chilly ivy
this was lv 5
prisma ravine
Yeah about 20 then
Nah the buff was neccessary, Zed was ass
Did he land triple Q?
wheat notch
at. level 5 bro?
prisma ravine
Oh
Wait then he got no damage buff at all o.0
Im not sure how he killed you then
prisma ravine
Again, was neccessary, champ was really really bad pre-hotfix
wheat notch
yet he 100-0'd solar without it
chilly ivy
he w q'd me to half
wheat notch
prisma ravine
Wack
... wait
Oh they didnt change sudden impacts numbers
That could be it
Anyway Zed looks to be fine to weak rn, so the buff was warranted
In fact buff Zed to be good again
Make people suffer >:)
chilly ivy
preseason is beyond stupid and unreasonable
well not preseason but this patch
i literally can't find a single thing i like about what they changed
everything is bad
and half my play group is in the same boat as me
prisma ravine
Illaois tentacles do not work in the middle of the toplane anymore
Thats pretty good
Jokes aside, taking a break is fair
Ive taken breaks multiple times
Plus they might change things around a bit
chilly ivy
true but i'm just confused why they decided to just make the game worse
half the mechanics they added are terrible
herald charge shouldn't exist, grubs shouldn't exist
prisma ravine
Im not sure they made the game worse tbh. Most of their changes make sense, even if they clearly overtuned AP items and forgot to split lethality
What do you dislike about grubs?
chilly ivy
no the void shit is beyond stupid
because if a jungler takes 3 i cannot roam anymore
you simply cannot roam
prisma ravine
(I havent seen people talk much about grubs in general)
chilly ivy
the buff is beyond stupid because you lose 80% of your turret hp every time you leave the lane for an extended time
before they took 2 plates at best
and you needed herald to take the turret, but since the buff is global you have herald in every lane with 0 commiting
you don't need your jungle to come mid and trade lane presence or drake to take a turret
it was a trade before, now you're punished for playing
prisma ravine
Oh its fully global
chilly ivy
i'm genuinely confused how this got beyond internal testing
prisma ravine
I thought it was just those who participated in killing the void grubs
chilly ivy
no
prisma ravine
Im guessing the idea is to make it so you cant ignore toplane and focus on dragon like you did before
chilly ivy
top laner is pushing? too bad, they took 2 turrets at 18 minutes
chilly ivy
Im guessing the idea is to make it so you cant ignore toplane and focus on drago...
that is not the solution
they could have buffed herald and do the trade i mentioned above
and recoup presence there
but they overbuffed it
ngl you can ignore 2-3 dragon if it means you take 6 grub stacks
because 6 stacks is gamebreaking
you can 5 man aram and take their base with it probably
and the other team can neither stop the push nor they can outpush
herald was a good pushing tool, and the tradeof was that the jungler had to come mid and drop it, then babysit it if you wanna get something beyond 3 plates
now you just aa a turret and it bleeds true damage
god forbid you have 6 stacks and you just summoned 2 melee minions
chilly ivy
ik
wheat notch
I like grubs
chilly ivy
2 > 1
wheat notch
you get 2 grubs either way
chilly ivy
just buffing herald charge would have been enough, or fucking just make herald taking plates give more gold
wheat notch
i do not want herald to spawn at the same time as drake
it lets ppl not just be set behind a trillion imaginary gold because the enemy team got early infernal
because u can contest grubs while they do said drake
chilly ivy
you get 2 grubs either way
summon 1 allied Voidmite Voidmite for each stack of this buff (15 second cooldown).
you summon one with 5 stacks
unless they changed it
anyway, i think this patch was a huge mistake and i'd just revert it in their shoes
chilly ivy
Might be just my experience
chilly ivy
I truly haven't had a "game ruined" moment in a while
Last one was scarecrow ban
My champ feels dogshit to play, everthing i don't like is broken and they added mechanics that cannot be fixed with adjusting numbers
And then they buff broken stuff
It's ludicrous
prisma ravine
Which champ do you play anyway?
wheat notch
lux
chilly ivy
She was buffed
They noticed that everything is fucking broken and she gets one shot from a breeze
wheat notch
ziggs really needs one too t b h
chilly ivy
But it's slight at best
wheat notch
ziggs feels great into other mages
unfortunately most midlaners rn are Not Mages
so yo ujust shit pant and die
ġive me back my 4 armor
chilly ivy
Yeah if you don't lane vs a mage that isn't syndra you just ff at champ select
chilly ivy
Like even their goal of making new mage items fell flat
prisma ravine
Are we including ap assassins under mages or no?
chilly ivy
I think we have even less choices
wheat notch
no.
prisma ravine
Fair
chilly ivy
Ap assassins are eating good because they actually got new items
prisma ravine
Eh I think the new mage items are fine conceptually, theyre just not properly tuned yet
Its the same issue lethality users had pre-hotfix
chilly ivy
Yeah
prisma ravine
(Post-hotfix its better, though some lethality items still arent very good and opportuntiy is still a touch too good)
wheat notch
The item dedicated to my champion class got its stats readjusted in a way that makes no sense with a passive update that also makes no sense
chilly ivy
Every single mage item besides void staff is complete ass
wheat notch
and every other item I buy is significantly better used on a different champion
prisma ravine
Liandrys is really good rn no?
wheat notch
that's a bruiser item
chilly ivy
No it's dogshit on a mage
prisma ravine
Also yeah Horizon Focus idk what they were thinking about with it
wheat notch
why play ziggs for liandrys when i could just lock in singed rn
and do significantly better with it
wheat notch
No it's dogshit on a mage
this is not really true
liandrys is super fucked up
its just that mages aren't the best abusers
chilly ivy
on a mage
wheat notch
It's still good on a mage
just because it's better on bruisers doesn't make it bad for mages
wheat notch
Also yeah Horizon Focus idk what they were thinking about with it
'all the artilleries are played as fucking supports anyway who cares make it a full-util item'
probably
chilly ivy
Liandry's was always a go first item for me, but now that it doesn't give mana it's just
It doesn't exist for me anymore
I really don't see myself building it, ever
wheat notch
I think that's just a champ diff
I'm riding the Liandry's dick until I die for Ziggs
chilly ivy
If i have tank issues i build void
wheat notch
it's just worse pre-mythic liandry's
but pre-mythic liandry's was the most fucked up item anyways
wheat notch
it's just worse pre-mythic liandry's
which you always rushed second
Luden's -> Oblivion Orb for the pen -> Liandry's
on most non-burst mages
chilly ivy
Maybe
prisma ravine
it's just worse pre-mythic liandry's
Better, actually
chilly ivy
Idk, I'm just mad atm
wheat notch
Better, actually
no not really
chilly ivy
Ovven damage increased severely from that time
prisma ravine
If were talking the exact pre-mythic version
It has better stats and does more damage without needing them to be slowed
wheat notch
Madness scaled up to 10%, Suffering only scales up to 6%.
prisma ravine
Ye, but it had 75 AP instead of 90 and the passive DoT did 1%, 2% vs slowed targets vs the new one always doing 2%
prisma ravine
Wait was it?
wheat notch
prisma ravine
I think the new one is still stronger unless you buy Rylais
Or have a built-in slow
prisma ravine
You always complain about your E being bad though
wheat notch
i mean
the w nerfs made it worse than e
at this point
24 second fucking cooldown and 80 mana is a fucking disgusting joke
on top of -4 armor and -10basedmg on q at all ranks
and it still didn't hit botlane hard enough
while killing midlane completely for the average player
prisma ravine
Oh yeah no I feel bad for Ziggs players
formal quartz
Ziggs with 2 cd q was scary
wheat notch
Oh yeah no I feel bad for Ziggs players
i love being forced to take demat if i want to start sapphire crystal hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahh (it only defeats the entire purpose of starting sapphire crystal)
prisma ravine
Anyway I expect theyll smooth out a lot of things soon
I know Phlox talked about making lethality items less good on adcs
formal quartz
Probably
prisma ravine
Because ADCs have to ruin lethality again but they dont want to hit assassins
wheat notch
Anyway I expect theyll smooth out a lot of things soon
ziggs buff im on my knees
horizon focus readjustment im prostrating
prisma ravine
I think Horizon just needs a strict buff
wheat notch
It needs much more than a buff simply because the competition is Too Good
unless they make Stormsurge literally unplayable
and even then Horizon'll be worse than just buying Liandry's or Void, at every stage in the game
formal quartz
Holy shit that w buff
wheat notch
im lying btw horizon is really good into squishies as a 2nd item due to its low cost and then immediately plummets to irrelevancy afterwards
formal quartz
Can’t they just buff it by giving it back the proc on cc?
wheat notch
that does nothing for artilleries
the class the item was designed for in the first place
it just does no damage, so why buy the "damage item" for "artillery mages" if you can just buy the ap assassin item or the ap bruiser item and do more damage
prisma ravine
I just want one change
I want the statue from Hubris to spawn on the latest enemy you killed
eternal palm
As somebody that enjoys playing my share fair of assassins, I’m happy with most thing except sundered sky and support items