League of Legends

[formal quartz]

I hate sunderer period

[dim kindle]

love it when i got some time to play and riot servers shit the bed

[wheat notch]

shen jax fiora jayce rumble akali teemo vayne heimer lillia kennen Looks like

bc he marked all those as red on the guide

[formal quartz]

So ap, dodge, and % health true dmg

[wheat notch]

i wonder why varus isnt in the list

[formal quartz]

And jayce

[formal quartz]

I guess no peel/escape pre 6?

[wheat notch]

what

in other news

ive learned to not argue that Hwei is a Really Good Champion, Actually in the hwei discord

im being told that his ult does no dmg relative to orianna when its only 20/40/60 base less with the same ap ratio 😭

just bc the damage is delayed

[formal quartz]

Post 2 weeks all hweis I’ve seen has been good

[wheat notch]

u havent seen me

[formal quartz]

Idk if it’s the champ or the player or both

[wheat notch]

hwei is good

not a soloq champ

but good

[formal quartz]

But the cc he brings with the dmg feels so nice on your team

[wheat notch]

it looks better than i remember it being

not Good, but better

i just had a streak of playing really badly

[formal quartz]

It just means you’re learning

[wheat notch]

nah those games werent learning

i was just playing like Shit

[formal quartz]

Is liandries the go to? All I’ve seen was uhh

The snare one

Brain farting the name

[wheat notch]

everfrost

[formal quartz]

Yea that

[wheat notch]

idk how ur ever getting everfrost off lol ur not veigar

[formal quartz]

Idk lol

[wheat notch]

Told friend to stop playing hard champs Ori Syndra and pick up Annie and he's gaming rn

[formal quartz]

Sigh I miss when Syndra was easy

[dapper kite]

blud thinks hes veigar

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCRKW_FXcAALwAB?format=jpg&name=large

[wheat notch]

hweigar

FUCK

thats so good

i forgot about it

[wheat notch]

was she ever

[formal quartz]

It was when I win building muramana on her

[wheat notch]

i just feel like keeping track of balls and positioning is too much to ask of someone who's hardstuck emerald

so i gave him the LS special (play annie, maybe garen too)

[formal quartz]

I’m hardstuck emerald

[wheat notch]

u know what to do bioo

[formal quartz]

I already play nocturne

Unless he gets banned

[wheat notch]

wtf

@vast mango confirm?

[formal quartz]

I have no plan b

[dapper kite]

do NOT look at my winrate with garen this season

[wheat notch]

guy u havent even played garen this season?

[dapper kite]

i wish

[wheat notch]

oh

BRO

💀

[night marsh]

he;s my permaban

[dapper kite]

💀

[night marsh]

champ should just straight up not be in the game

[wheat notch]

how did htat happen

[dapper kite]

garens just too hard

i need easy champs like karth

[wheat notch]

ok man relax

ive got just the thing

🧸

[sullen crystal]

facts

he just got to go e, walk under my tower and right click with no way to punish him

[dapper kite]

i actually was an annie player for a bit until one of my friends started playing midlane

and i went top

[wheat notch]

good news

they play annie top more than annie mid

lma

[dapper kite]

based?

[dapper kite]

i need to play maokai in arena actually youre so right

[wheat notch]

what

[dapper kite]

ok so
in aftert i switched to top i started not winning so much anymore
and then at season end i was like "well i gotta reach gold"
so i became a maokai onetrick and just won like 10 in a row or smth

idt i touched maokai after that season cause the champ felt ass

[wheat notch]

im more confused by the 'in arena' comment

but yeah he feels terrible to play

[dapper kite]

well im not gonna play summoners rift

im not stupid

[wheat notch]

arena is not gonna give u victorious skins.,,,,

[dapper kite]

well i already reached gold in flex so

[wheat notch]

do u have enough ranked points for it

or whatever

That reminds me of when I was trying to get Gold in Twisted Treeline because Victorious Graves had chromas for each gamemode and the Treeline one looked the best

[dapper kite]

i think so

[wheat notch]

(I didn't get it)

ah cool

[dapper kite]

so now i am released from the shackles of summoners rift

and can simply play a fun game mode

[wheat notch]

for now

oh old me mustve been wrong and bad

flex graves looks so much better

[dim kindle]

Hwei is weird cuz his lane actually feels really good but in late game fights unless super ahead I always feel like making his damage stick is just too inconsistent compared to syn ori vik

its absolutely partially a skill issue

but yeah

i have fun with him either way

[wheat notch]

as long as im fighting for a neutral its

so free

he has so much aoe control its insane

like i just felt broken here

[dim kindle]

I agree

[wheat notch]

long ass ult range snaps backline in half

and then i qw and janna dies from passive

xd

[dim kindle]

but still yeah you could also be having viktor e w r in a choke

[wheat notch]

not f rom this far back tho

[dim kindle]

QW is the standout part of his kit

[wheat notch]

i was just punching the drake

and then did everything from pixel brush

[dim kindle]

Yeah all I mean is like thats his ideal situation but the moment you're not in ideal situation his damage feels inconsistent

[wheat notch]

mmm

even then its kinda eh

[dim kindle]

We dont need to agree or anything thats just how my games feel

he is really insane in his good situation

[wheat notch]

my only thought rn is his effective range is kinda low when starting fights tbh honestly

because ee is his most consistent cc and ew somehow takes longer to activate than ziggs minefield, which is an achievemtn

[dim kindle]

like when you get to control river with E W QW and destroy chokes but like i dont get fucked by minions in a 2v2 mid when I play viktor

[wheat notch]

tbf i dont really like using qq in fights anyways

so i dont mind it

qe is genuinely more damage most of the time and ee/ult makes walking out of qe impossible

[dim kindle]

there just are situations where QE is too avoidable QW isnr gonna land unless ur opponent has a stroke and QQ is body blocked

Which happens when his e is on cd

because its got way more cd than similar abilities

[wheat notch]

if QE is avoidable use it to zone people from jumping you and back off 😀

[dim kindle]

Yeah sure its hard to describe what exactly I mean but I think its basically caused by his reliance on his E choice setting up his Q choices which sometimes falls apart in less ideal situations

[wheat notch]

like i did this kinda stuff a lot

so jinx couldnt walk up without getting chunked

while we got tower

[dim kindle]

Comparable to wasting syndra e badly on

w/e

[wheat notch]

yeam

at least he has good reposition tools

[formal quartz]

His zoning is his biggest value imo

[dim kindle]

regardless i know its somewhat skill issue but maybe it also needs to be that way because once you get better at him his lane is way better than most mages

[wheat notch]

honestly his lane has felt like the weakest part of the puzzle for me

if i get 2 items i win is the mindset ive had

ziggsbrain

[dim kindle]

Maybe the difference of elo we play in

you face better players than me

[wheat notch]

ive also played really badly fwiw

nah i just play norms

im not pulling this guy in ranked LOL

id get soo fucked

[dim kindle]

i get giga shit on by like competent leblancs

[wheat notch]

but like yeah

i took a ranked hiatus

and apparently, if u dont play ranked, ur skill level

deteriorates

so fast

[dim kindle]

but i beat all other mage MUs

assassin mus depend on jgl a lot

[wheat notch]

calling LB a mage does not feel right

[dim kindle]

i wasnt trying to

[wheat notch]

uh

into assassins

ive been liking RoA

its kinda shit damagewise

but the ms + sustain is really nice

just roa ionians cosmic

[dim kindle]

i think id rather go banshee/zhonyas 2nd

than build RoA

[wheat notch]

roa is so nice doe :(

and honestly

[dim kindle]

but not like it matters since mage items are changing

[wheat notch]

the mage defensives are so shit at being defensives

iirc s14 gives them more tank stats

which is just what they needed

bc holy fuck 45 armor is not cutting it lOL

[dim kindle]

i think zhonyas and banshee are really good tbh

i think crown sucks

[wheat notch]

oh yeah

crown is so bad

The pro-based nerf they did to it

just killed the item entirely

[dim kindle]

Often the only way you're making comebacks is by just buying damage and praying

if im behind vs lb crown isnt doing shit

[wheat notch]

tbf I wouldn't've bought pre-nerf Crown into LB either

just because of the kind of champ she is

she procs it so easily and just goes in next time 😭

but into like pure assassins it used to be good (besides, like, Talon because all his damage is FUCKING delayed)

[wheat notch]

we do a little bit of stomping

[slim terrace]

dang she's showing that rank disparity hard

[wheat notch]

i didnt even play very well in lane

but sona was just goated

carried me fr

[slim terrace]

it's kay, the twink mage is all about that scaling 😎

[slim terrace]

kennen is a fun champion

[sullen crystal]

man I have had some rough arena games today

also today revives have just felt awful

you get rezz'd under the other 2 enemies too and then just die immediately

[dapper kite]

ive had some real stinkers today too

two games with voli that shouldve been unlosable

master of duality and tapdancer and somehow i managed 4th place

and a game with mystic punch where i got 3rd

[sullen crystal]

had an azir play with me who did nothing for every round basically

then just had a rell do the same thing

[dapper kite]

i actually had one of those too

flamed me for not doing damage

as celestial body alistar

[sullen crystal]

yeah I had a rell who was like

I wanna win this

and then proceeds to not tank and flames me for being chain cc'd by a tf and voli

[dapper kite]

yeah sometimes you get some unfortunate teamamtes

like @prisma ravine

[prisma ravine]

Oy

:[

[dapper kite]

less dps on renagr than your support ivern smh

[prisma ravine]

[wheat notch]

The quickplay ff vote being 3/2 is so fucking stupid lol

impossible to play the game when everyone ff15s

its so cringe

[wheat notch]

go into normal draft

enemy team ff15s 4/0 instead

theres just no winning

how is this not an S bro

its so over

[slim terrace]

supposedly riot looked into it and a large majority of games that had 3/5 ff votes were losses statistically

my personal experience has been very different cause people are little bitches sometimes in low elo, but idk that's only anecdotal

[wheat notch]

we were literally winning

and they ff'ed

[slim terrace]

yep lmao

[wheat notch]

literally up a drake and herald

nah. gotta ff

[formal quartz]

Yea it’s so dumb

One guy dies and starts ff

Then everyone says yes because????

[night marsh]

what is quickplay

[slim terrace]

that's probably why I'm never touching quickplay outside of a new champ release

[night marsh]

is that just norms?

[wheat notch]

blind pick replacement

[night marsh]

ah

[slim terrace]

you pick 2 champs 2 roles and get in instantly

[wheat notch]

yeah you pick role champ runes and sums

[slim terrace]

no champ select

[wheat notch]

no champ sel-

🔪

[slim terrace]

skill issue 😎

[wheat notch]

yeah well

does ur obs slay as hard as mine

[slim terrace]

what's an obs

[wheat notch]

😎 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2014814551

im never gonna stream but

its funny

[night marsh]

for new champs, how long is the wait

[slim terrace]

damn a league player and a streamer

oof

[wheat notch]

oh way too long

also they just give u ur secondary

my ratio was like

1 hwei game to 5 ziggs games

xd

[slim terrace]

I waited like a couple of minutes and it was half and half for me

[wheat notch]

nah i was just bored so i set it all up 4fun

i can also play spotify music during stream and it gets erased in the vod

so i dont die to copyright

[slim terrace]

damn so you can be a youtuber

[wheat notch]

yeah but I am nowhere near entertaining enough for allat

The only stuff I'd ever post contentwise would just be guides I think

but that also requires voice training so its not gonna happen for a few years + I'm pisslow so why not just watch the challenger guys' guide

[slim terrace]

hey if your gameplay is good enough you don't need a personality

look at gosu

[wheat notch]

im master 250lp bro no one wants to see that shit

when the entire leaguesphere is infested with NUMBER 1 <CHAMPION> NA CHALLENGER GAMEPLAY

[slim terrace]

what about when you hit grandmaster

[wheat notch]

,

I'm not even the highest elo Ziggs player

it ain't worth it

speaking of challenger

[slim terrace]

why are you spamming trundle anyways

[wheat notch]

i need a chest

well not need but i have a chest available rn

and trundle sounded easy enough

but the games never last long enough

so i cant just hullbreaker splitpush

[wheat notch]

can u believe we lost

[wheat notch]

I just need to get 1k lp

and then I'll be the #1 onetrick

[chilly ivy]

do it

[wheat notch]

because Toffe isn't counted as a onetrick

for some reason

https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/TochiToffe-EUW

like Ziggs is his most played champion

[slim terrace]

why aren't you on this list

[wheat notch]

im #14

bro

i cropped it specifically in a way that id be on the list

[dapper kite]

phenomenal evil power is just not fair man

i got it on vlad and that game was over

[wheat notch]

i think it was more u were playing vlad

tbf

[dapper kite]

hmm

gotta verify that theory

[wheat notch]

why the fuck does alpha strike trigger herald eye

trhats so stupid

just saw this gp get 1v1d by yuumi

its over

[wheat notch]

A+

i give up

i should be playnig trundle top anyway

[formal quartz]

I don’t think I’ve seen Hullbreaker jungle before lol

[slim terrace]

o I forgot you changed your name lol

[wheat notch]

uh its probably bad

im just copying a trundle top build

which is TriForce/Bork -> the other one -> Hullbreaker -> Ravenous Hydra -> Steraks/Randuins

[dapper kite]

ok vlad might just be good

[wheat notch]

yeah IP/SP weren't my first choices + me slowly stepping away from the game made them feel wrong

So I just grabbed my first choice, twice

[wheat notch]

i like to think i wasnt the problem this game

[gray sandal]

Cope. You could've carried but were too scared to unleash the inner faker

[sullen crystal]

this lobby is fucking horrendous

[sullen crystal]

wow today is another awful day of playing arena

annoying that I've started getting so many unwinnable lobbies

[dim kindle]

dunno like most game modes arena is enjoyable in small bursts

the more you play it the ehhh

it gets

[dapper kite]

idk about you, ive been playing 5 games a day and im still having a blast

[sullen crystal]

man fuck irelia

playing normal sr and now I have to play against this braindead piece of shit

probably just me playing like shit today but still

[dapper kite]

i get it, irelia is a fuck

almost forgot how disgusting that champ is cause noone plays it in arena

except my teammate once who then proceeded to be absolutely useless the entire game

[sullen crystal]

she won a level 1 trade and since then she's been able to win lane off of it

it's genuinely disgusting

and now she has bork so I can never fight her

[eternal palm]

I got to decide on my champ pool for the upcoming season if I’m going to be taking league more seriously

Also role

Debating between top, mid or support

[formal quartz]

If you want to climb probably not top

[eternal palm]

Tbf the good thing about top is also the bad thing

If you feed top and lose you know it’s on you

But if you smash top and lose then you’re stuck whether you should have tp’d bot at a certain points to help, roam mid etc

[wheat notch]

annie

playable in all 3 roles

the #1 annie plays her top

garen good for top/mid too

[dapper kite]

gonna 3trick annie garen and malph

[formal quartz]

Malphite jung

[dapper kite]

until i reach gold at which point i will be playing exclusively arena

[formal quartz]

Don’t stop me

[eternal palm]

I already play malph both top and mid as counter picks

I could get back into Annie, I used to play her a lot in season 2

[night marsh]

just play mid

support if you want to turn your brain off and climb

but mid is the best for micro improvments I think

[wheat notch]

smoge

this is what i get for playing at 6:30am

[wheat notch]

God you get so little mastery for losing that's insane

40 minute game

[wheat notch]

20 minute win gets me triple

wack as hell

[wheat notch]

🤨

who is this and why did they add me

[chilly ivy]

This isn't me for the record

I wouldn't be stupid enough to drop tp for barrier

[wheat notch]

in... support...?

[chilly ivy]

Oh wait it's suppoet

Why no exhaust

[wheat notch]

theyre not in my last 20 games

so im like assuming

its someone from reddit

[chilly ivy]

[wheat notch]

bc i posted my name on there yesterday

bc otherwise who the FUCK would add me

someone from hwei mains?? ziggs mains?? <ziggs streamer>'s cord??

why would a briar ban hwei lol

[chilly ivy]

Plot twist: this is the guy from duelingbook

[severe cairn]

lol

[wheat notch]

Surely you can conclude from "aWintryGal" that my League username is "uri9158#51pct"

This is the shittiest self advertising macro

If you're gonna pull this shit at least have games played

they really haven't played league since the start of 2022

[chilly ivy]

maybe it's a bot then

[wheat notch]

yes obviously

'my' Discord server, surely

lmao?

oh its just some cringer playing on a modded client

i can tell from how they frame 0 banned my hwei

like the client couldnt respond in time

[wheat notch]

I got banned

turns out they don't like it when you shit on them for using bots to invite people

only took 3 messages 💀

[chilly ivy]

[sullen crystal]

day 3 of trying to have a good arena run

this is not going poggers

methinks I'm going to take a break for a while

[prisma ravine]

Again highly recommend duoing for Arena

[wheat notch]

i like how a 1/3 qiyana is still able to one shot me

with an item disparity like this

[wheat notch]

why are there so many trolls in quickplay

zzzzz

theyre making it only worse for themselves when the game is this free

whats more fun is riot will never do anything

why doesn't MF E break Banshee's Veil

that's dumb

[wheat notch]

this champ is broken wtf

chest got me hecarim

its over

[wheat notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929341293375676438/1190959464837292132/2023-12-31_12-07-15.mp4?ex=65a3b26f&is=65913d6f&hm=44264d804680e84a000ba408e26b107180b36be398e8f860f1582a999f1d17e1&

kennen is a bit busted

[chilly ivy]

yeah he has a lot of dmg

do you feel he has enough waveclear tho?

i always thought that's what's keeping him from mid

[wheat notch]

no idea

but ew killed casters at lv10

[chilly ivy]

That sounds ok

[wheat notch]

deathcap on cooldown monka

[chilly ivy]

Yes their engine does that

At least it doesn't delete the game anymore

[wheat notch]

kenne is so fucked up

fr

whgy does no one play this champ

[prisma ravine]

Teamfight-focused champ in toplane, leads to weird gameplay

[wheat notch]

so go mid

hes a lane bully

can literally 100-0 at lv6

[prisma ravine]

Without having the range advantage he gets a lot less good

So in mid hes a counterpick

[wheat notch]

he still has one of the best ultis ever so its fine

[prisma ravine]

And people dont bother counterpicking

[wheat notch]

I'm fine with having a shit lane

if it means I can activate Maelstrom

[prisma ravine]

Oh no his lane is fine

He isnt Katarina

Its just a lot less good if the enemy is also ranged

And a lot of his power is in being a lane bully

[wheat notch]

hes prolly still a fine lane bully into rangeds tbh

i was playing into this zed and thinking 'god i wish i was facing a mage rn' ebcause he kept fucking WQing me

and it pissed me off

like kennen just has better trades than most rangeds i think so hed be fine

thats how it feels anyways

[wheat notch]

where is everyone

all this time

just to have hwei banned

literally no one in normals is good at him!!!! why would you ban him!!!

incredible estimate

[wheat notch]

This game is so cooked man

Literally 'which side has less trolls' moment

[wheat notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162081892556877871/1191301420037718087/Untitled.mp4?ex=65a4f0e7&is=65927be7&hm=b67d7c533a1be166d9293143cde6ceb9efeb1d99327914754679cb615bf90519&

This was funny though

[chilly ivy]

typing isn't good

[wheat notch]

whats wrong w it

[chilly ivy]

didn't the lee die cause he was typing

[wheat notch]

oh i mean sure

but he shouldve died anyways

😀

[chilly ivy]

ig

[wheat notch]

i wouldve just kept chasing

if he didnt die

[chilly ivy]

i feel like if he didn't type, he could have moved slightly towards you to dodge it, then w back to senna before your next q comes up

you'd probably need to commit an ult at that point

idt any of the e modes would hit him from that distance

maybe ee with a good angle

[wheat notch]

wq go faste

if he doesnt die senna would

[chilly ivy]

ig

maybe i'm overanalyzing

[wheat notch]

its a normal game anyways

now I just need 3 more S'es and I get m7

[slim terrace]

@prisma ravine poetic

[prisma ravine]

True!

[sullen crystal]

playing against better junglers is the worst feeling ever

[wheat notch]

gaming

[night marsh]

@dim kindle mb bro

I elgit forgot to invite you afterwards

did yous till want to play

[slim terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNidRIvcQ4g @wheat notch apparently a popular korean irelia streamer tried baus' full ap build lmao

[wheat notch]

I saw this on Irelkings actual channel forever ago

[night marsh]

smh not knowing our god emperor ireliaking

next you'll say you don't know our god Wenshen

[slim terrace]

shoutout to glizzy gobblerz for the irelia gameplay

[night marsh]

Season 2 arcane viktor concept art

[slim terrace]

[prisma ravine]

Oh my

[formal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/mask-warriors-gif-26256489

[dim kindle]

all g i only had time for one game anyway

[sullen crystal]

boy I sure love playing against ranged top

[slim terrace]

that's weird, I don't!

[sullen crystal]

been playing against a lot of weirdly good renektons recently too

genuinely vile character when he gets going

[dapper kite]

i played renek for the first time recently

absolutely disgusting champ tbh

several "how am i getting away with this" moments

[slim terrace]

I can't play that champ well but a lot of times when I play against him I don't give him enough respect and get instagibbed

[sullen crystal]

like idk he heals way too much and does so much damage

he gets goredrinker and it's a genuine issue even trying to gank him

fun!

man these past 2 weeks have produced some horrible league games

[wheat notch]

i love masters

just checked

that's the real veigar v2 who inted me

lmao

[wheat notch]

Why do my normal game queue times take 20 minutes man

It's winter break

I'm getting matched with fresh accounts made by banned andies

instead of regular players

What gives

[wheat notch]

I think I'm burnt out

:^)

[chilly ivy]

@wheat notch can you post a screen what you want to grab exactly

[wheat notch]

the borders

[chilly ivy]

ah

yes it might be css

you can't extract those beyond the exact color code

[wheat notch]

like i have no idea of what riddles this is holding

but it is pissing me off !!!

i just want 3 jpegs

[chilly ivy]

find the css and the style named "sorcery"

it'll have the color code

but nothing more

i can replicate it on plain html if you find the css tho

[wheat notch]

color code is useless to me i can simply color picker it and draw it my self at this point

[chilly ivy]

i'm too lazy to scavenge lol files

[wheat notch]

Well

I've figured a way

simply make the rune really big and copy paste the border :D

surely this wont have problems

[chilly ivy]

this will crash something because they reference rune icon size somewhere

[wheat notch]

wdym

i mean im taking a screencap and then cleaning it

the 'problem' i was referencing is that it looks like it changes colors vaguely based on its surroundings

like it's partially transparent or w.e.

[chilly ivy]

it joke

[wheat notch]

yeah this cleaning thing is not really working out

urg

[chilly ivy]

which file did you pull this from

i can try finding it

[wheat notch]

i clicked inspect element on absolute focus

[chilly ivy]

uhhh how

[wheat notch]

3rd party software

(pengu loader)

[chilly ivy]

the thing might have a style viewer if it's chromium based

[wheat notch]

is that not the thing on the right

[chilly ivy]

it is

[wheat notch]

yeah but the borders arent one of the things i can change

so idk where to look lmao

[chilly ivy]

well the style should be "splash smth shed_perk_option"

you screenshot cuts off

[wheat notch]

false alarm he just didn't update his !opgg on twitch and now im getting cooked by his rabid fans

zz

[wheat notch]

nothing came from this btw right

randomly remembered

[chilly ivy]

yeah i got busy yesterday sorry

[wheat notch]

nah nah its fine dwai

[chilly ivy]

maybe later today, i'm preparing for a job interview

[wheat notch]

yeye good luck !!

[dapper kite]

got infernal conduit on morgana and later on got the choice to pick slow cooker

i love permanent black shields

especially against alistar poppy

[dapper kite]

@wheat notch are you proud of me?

[sullen crystal]

brooo what is zed 😭

man has duskblade, pressed r and killed me in one combo LOL

thank you for inventing counterplay

[night marsh]

kill me

[wheat notch]

of course oomfie

[slim terrace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/s/z8oe6SLEID I feel like I've seen this thread multiple times before but it's been downvoted prior

even though it really is annoying as shit that he can just casually ignore this much cc through buffering/cleanse on e2

I really hope riot just removes something in that kit

[chilly ivy]

i hope riot just removes the kit

[slim terrace]

in a perfect world I get to delete yasuo yone and irelia but that's asking for too much

[chilly ivy]

same

[wheat notch]

i completely forgot i was queueing

lmfao

the queue times are so ass

its winter break !! where are the Children !!

[dapper kite]

Playing a fun gamemode

Like arena

Or tft

[wheat notch]

wtf is this janna skin LOL

[dapper kite]

Old

[wheat notch]

ive never seen ti before

sobbing

[dapper kite]

I think thats one of the ones thats just a chroma ingame so noone uses it

[wheat notch]

but booba splash

[dapper kite]

I think youll find that janna isnt exactly lacking in booba skins

[chilly ivy]

especially the old splashes

like, her design is "i'm a wind woman in a bikini"

[wheat notch]

Naafiri Q is so fucking broken

wtf

[chilly ivy]

don't get hit by it silly

then it's not op

[wheat notch]

barely scratches me and I lose 25% of my hp lol?

[wheat notch]

WOOO BABY ANOTHER INTER

YAHOOO

[wheat notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpleAySfFNU

this looks so fucking boring

holy

[dapper kite]

ARENA WILL BE BACK LETS GOOOOO

[gray sandal]

Wtf is that

That looks so awful lmao. Just looking at the design

People asking for shyv rework and they give us this milquetoast humanoid dragon lmfao

Who asked for this

[dapper kite]

whyd they make asol again

[sullen crystal]

actually hate that I kind of like their kit

because the champ design is not it

[chilly ivy]

i'm ok with the kit for now, but i'm gonna need to see the text

also it's been a while we've had an ad mage

even if it's adc flavoured

[slim terrace]

ah shit that kit looks fun

I'm a sucker for infinite stacking

you even got an elder dragon style execute on q

[humble glacier]

the kit is simple but

idk if simple means bad

i expected baby dragon prince with happy go lucky personality

but that poppy side by side is cursed

[chilly ivy]

it's an edit

[night marsh]

I like the kit

but I really think it should have been ap

ad is just sow eird on a kit like that

[gray sandal]

I mean there's basically zero ad mages unless you count jayce

[wheat notch]

zed tbh

[severe cairn]

we already have a new champion???

and it's mid???

[night marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U_jEzKf0_0

oh shit

they're adding the dommy mommy froma rcane

as a champ

oh wait nvr

shyvana is getting reworked finnally

oh I lied

she is joining league

[severe cairn]

PLEASE REWORK SHYVANA

dude

after early 2025 they'll begin work on her rework

[slim terrace]

that skarner rework is clogging the pipes clearly/s

[prisma ravine]

https://vxtwitter.com/neolexical/status/1743411535165481398

They already changed Smolders face

Looks significantly better now

[slim terrace]

yeah that's much better

[night marsh]

the question was how did not a single member of riot champ design realize this sooner

[humble glacier]

they did

they probably had this already

but someone was like make it more humanoid

so its

relatable

monster champs generally dont have a very large playerbase

and to offset this i think they tried to go for... cute?

which was at the cost of you know... dragon-like features such as scales, the sharp facial accents he has or his thinner, slitted eyes

i have a theory but dont care to investigate it

someone pull up yuumi's model

what does her face look like, cuz i bet it looks closer to pre-change smolder

[wheat notch]

yuumi is awful

[formal quartz]

Probably works better cause she’s a mammal

[dapper kite]

play champ ive rarely played in arena, get 4th place
play champ ive rarely played in arena, get 4th place
play champ ive rarely played in arena, get 4th place
play singed, get 1st place
Starting to see a pattern here

[chilly ivy]

play more of the stinky man

[dapper kite]

https://tenor.com/view/rohan-jjba-daga-kotowaru-i-refuse-refuse-gif-7385649

[dim kindle]

smolder is weird because the issue we run into with "simple" marksman is that they kinda just take turns being relevant by numbers because they are all low agency good at front to back

but he has no cc so he is given even better tools to blow those front to backs up

but like overall his kit just looks like really solid and good

[prisma ravine]

Im just kinda confused why he is an adc

[dim kindle]

why. not

[prisma ravine]

Hes got more of a mage/ad caster kit

[dim kindle]

sure but we ve already got adcs like that

[prisma ravine]

Sorta, but they usually still have a focus on autoattacking within their kit

[dim kindle]

not sure how much of his damage is his Q

that will decide a lot

[prisma ravine]

I.e. Lucians double attacks, Xayahs W, and so on

Smolders kit doesnt really focus on autoattacks within it at all

Hes just an ad caster who happens to also have scalings that make him better with adc items

Does explain why they didnt get rid of Navoris though

[sullen crystal]

smolder w and q give me kogmaw vibes

almost feel like the character is designed to be new kogmaw like seraphine is new sona

[dim kindle]

yea its very kogmaw like

or mf but instead of working with a huge ms steroid you have the little fly

[gray sandal]

I forgot kogmaw existed

[wheat notch]

Q is probably an auto reset

[eternal palm]

Jhin is very much an AD caster moreso than a traditional adc

[prisma ravine]

Jhin is, but Jhin is also generally weird

They iirc had to keep giving him crit focused buffs because the kit doesn't make sense with adc items

[wheat notch]

4 IE Jhin still the funniest shit I've seen

[dim kindle]

jhin nerfs were pretty much always targetted at lethality builds ye

like a ad ratio nerf on q and r less base damage

[wheat notch]

God

I forgot about this

[dim kindle]

cuz at jhins peak with lethality build you kinda just oneshot ppl with r

guinsoo jhin was nuts oh yea

id totally forgotton about that

[wheat notch]

To think that was Season 8 is wild

It feels like it was much more recent than that

[prisma ravine]

Which is weird because Jhin by all accounts should be building lethality

But yeah idk, Smolder is weird

[formal quartz]

I remember 1000 mspd jhin

that was a menace

litearlly outrun all skill shots

[dim kindle]

think they didnt like jhin just never needing to risk himself into auto attack range in pro especially

so they preferd balancing him around crit

[dim kindle]

man hullbreaker tilts me so hard

[night marsh]

just an average grandlamb game

[prisma ravine]

https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-14-1-notes/

New patch

Early prediction: Rageblade is going to be straight up unplayable this patch

Assassin item wise, Opportunity will be broken, Cyclosword will be bad, Hubris will be mediocre (but likely irrelevant because of that), Youmuus will be good again, Profane Hydra is a late-game purchase on Hydra users

Im not 100% on Axiom Arc, I think it will be not great but it depends a lot on how the surrounding meta works out

Oh and on any bruiser who can use it, Eclipse is going to be an incredible item

[formal quartz]

Oh that’s a big one

Time to first time in ranked

[prisma ravine]

Oh we have Smolders numbers now

Yeah as we thought, hes basically an ad caster they slapped some crit scalings on to make him a "marksman"

... except if these numbers are right the crit scalings are pretty low

Ah I see, they tried to prevent the lethality thing by making the passive give magic damage

Pretty arbitrary

[sinful frost]

poggers
mixed damage profiles

[formal quartz]

Is it just me or does serylda seem obscene with giving 35 armor pen by itself

Granted rest of the assassin items doesn’t look that good

Like hubris seems terrible

[prisma ravine]

It doesnt give 35 armour pen

It gives 15 lethality and 21.65% armour pen

[formal quartz]

Oh that’s percent

[prisma ravine]

Also it depends on the assassin items

Hubris is mid

Voltaic Cyclosword is bad

[formal quartz]

Text makes it read like it’s flat lol

[prisma ravine]

But Opportunity and Ghostblade are crazy

Especially since lethality now is flat armour pen

[formal quartz]

Yeah there’s like 3 stand outs

Others are meh

[prisma ravine]

Eh, thats Riot for ya

[formal quartz]

True

[prisma ravine]

I expect Cyclosword to be buffed quickly

And Hubris to be buffed eventually

Rageblade might even get hotfixed because I think it will be genuinely unplayable

[formal quartz]

Terminus seems kind of insane

They had to nerf that passive on graves but decide to give it to everyone?

Well aspd adc

I guess they’re really expecting kraken guinsoo to over perform

[prisma ravine]

Terminus is odd

ADCs dont care much for armour/mr

And it takes a while to stack

Hard to evaluate

[formal quartz]

True only time will tell

[prisma ravine]

New Wits end is wack

Good option for tenacity if you want tabis on a bruiser I guess

[formal quartz]

No ad feels so odd lol

But it was like that before I guess

[prisma ravine]

Yeah

Does make it more niche though, which is a bit surprising

[sullen crystal]

excuse me

https://vxtwitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1744836666706063523?s=20

[humble glacier]

yeah 10% tenacity isnt ok

[prisma ravine]

It is actually

Its probably bait even

[formal quartz]

So you can get 35-55 from runes alone

No way that would be allowed

[prisma ravine]

Multiplicative not additive

Also you only have 1 tenacity minor, and the inspiration one was nerfed

Err Precision

Youd get 28% from precision plus the minor once its fully stacked

Thats barely more than 20% you get from just precision

[night marsh]

wait that's so bad for top lane meta lmao

[sullen crystal]

yep

[wheat notch]

oh wow Stormsurge got pre-nerfed hard

Horizon gets.. no changes.. 😮‍💨

Cryptbloom got pre-nerfed??

[wheat notch]

oh no guys im about to lose lp

[wheat notch]

i might be going a bit too far

[chilly ivy]

she will be creating a game in excel next

[wheat notch]

I'm just too lazy to boot up Practice Tool constantly

• only being able to work in 10s for resists is a bit limiting

[wheat notch]

how long will this take anyways

[timber patio]

i gotta read all these patch notes

i havent been following preseason so this is gonna be a lot

[wheat notch]

The patch notes are pretty wrong regarding items btw

unless it all got fixed up

[prisma ravine]

Should be by now

[wheat notch]

gain 2 ability power

[chilly ivy]

i'm in awe

[prisma ravine]

If ability power is so good, why is there no ability power 2

[wheat notch]

Why does AD not scale linearly

wtf

This is so annoying man

[eternal palm]

can't believe nobody posted this, what's wrong with you people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHhqwBwmRkI

[wheat notch]

how did this guy hit challenger im cryign

[eternal palm]

idgi

did they change stat growth?

[sullen crystal]

I assume arena is gonna be back up in a patch or two when all the items are ironed out right

[night marsh]

this shit was ass bro

[wheat notch]

he thought ap scales with level like ad

[dapper kite]

Hopefully

[formal quartz]

But why doesn’t it?

[eternal palm]

Yeah I’m confused

[formal quartz]

Well champions don’t get AP naturally but the challenger thought they do

I’m just wondering why don’t we get ap as another growing stat

[chilly ivy]

i love the client

xd?

[prisma ravine]

Hm, looks like I was off on my guinsoos prediction

The item seems to be fine

Right on the assassin stuff tho

[dim kindle]

how is my first game 45 min intense

mage items are definitely broken

also

[prisma ravine]

That seems to be the consensus yeah

[sullen crystal]

game 1 of the new patch

this zac is crying in all chat all game

bro has a 20 cs lead on me and is 1/9

[dim kindle]

malignance on viktor sounds kinda cool but seems ludens stormsurge shadowflame is just too crazy burst to forego

draven legit got instablown by me

Ill try the ultimate eradicator viktor at somepoint with lichbane

maybe we can reach pre rework viktor burst lmao

[night marsh]

The AP items I’ve tried so far have been really ass

I’ve tried hwei, ahri, and Gwen and none of them feel good outside surge

[prisma ravine]

Really? Cuz AP items really are just busted rn

[sullen crystal]

love that trundle's still so fucked

man just walked at me right clicking and there was no outplaying it

doesn't even have botrk

[formal quartz]

He’s still one of the best Duelist in the game

He just lost hullbreaker

[slim terrace]

damn trynd is very literally fighting off death

also this portrayal of yasuo is way cooler than his other cinematic

[sullen crystal]

best and most boring

I love all of the counterplay to him walking at you, healing like 200 per hit and having 600 ms

[night marsh]

Which ones

Cause the games I have played, my@opponent build for e of nature or some tank item and I just don’t do damage

[prisma ravine]

Most of them, but in particular Ludens, Stormsurge and Shadowflame are the super busted ones

Oh and Liandrys

Liandrys is a bit underestimated rn but its turbobroken

[slim terrace]

karthus with malignance seems nuts

[humble glacier]

is that what the red item im seeing every mage buy is

[slim terrace]

maybe. it gives 20 ability haste on your ult and bonus damage to it

the other one I'm seeign on mages is the one lux built, the new luden's

[sullen crystal]

I tried it on viktor and it felt so mid

I'd drop ult directly on someone and it just added nothing

basically just existed to give my ult 20 haste

[slim terrace]

I think you want it on mages that really want the ult cdr like karthus, lux, maybe rumble, kennen and ziggs?

[formal quartz]

Sounds absolutely busted on kass but I haven’t seen him yet

[slim terrace]

oh also I didn't realize hubris actually created a physical statue in spawn, thought it was another visual bug

[sullen crystal]

yeah but it's weird, I think it chooses an emote pose for the character?

like I played w/ a draven and that looked normal for the statue

then I played with a senna and it chose like a really weird pose that I didn't realise was senna at first

[slim terrace]

ig so lol, it showed sg quinn recall iirc

[night marsh]

@slim terrace duo?

[slim terrace]

after dinner if you're still up for it

[night marsh]

ping me when you're redy

[slim terrace]

k

I was gonna say playing ranked rn is bold but these games don't matter lol

dude I'm so sad they removed radiant virtue, was about to stack that with shurelya's on renata

[night marsh]

@slim terrace almost done? I'm about to lose my mind

she just feels terrible rn

[slim terrace]

just take a break bro

[night marsh]

I onyl played 2 games bro

I can do this

[slim terrace]

touch grass then you can hit some adc

or heimer, ap items are apparently busted rn

[night marsh]

there's just no way

[slim terrace]

well mage items at least lmao

[night marsh]

5 seconds

is just way too long

for onivamp to kick in

im ready whenever btw

[slim terrace]

I'm not gimme a bit

[prisma ravine]

Oh Riftmaker looked weak to me

Nashors too tbh

Huh apparently not

Gwen is super strong rn with those

[slim terrace]

@night marsh k ready?

[night marsh]

let me finish this game

vc?

[slim terrace]

k

[formal quartz]

Learned you can't build both cleaver and terminus

game nor patch notes does not tell me this anywhere

[prisma ravine]

Oh yeah you cant stack armor pen items anymore

[eternal palm]

is there anything else we should know about shit not stacking?

[prisma ravine]

Pretty sure thats it

Same for magic pen now ig

%magic pen

[eternal palm]

I should have probably looked at the items before starting a game

I built like an asshole on galio

we still won ig

[wheat notch]

GOD they have to GUT Briar like a fish

It's not fair that a laner can literally just refuse to come back to lane after level 3 just perma roam and have it work because her base damages are so high

Fuck am I meant to do

also oneshots you after early game because lethality is a balanced stat teehee 🤭

[prisma ravine]

Lethality is balanced

Its mages that are busted rn

Just dont look at opportunity

[wheat notch]

yeah ok buddy

get kaenic rookerned

cheems

[slim terrace]

went from 0/2 to 4-5shotting everyone on their team, nice

[prisma ravine]

Yep, mages are super overperforming

Even with kaenic rookerd

[chilly ivy]

idk, i'm having an absolutely abysmal time

it feels like tanks build one item and are unkillable

having 15 sec lux ults that one shot ppl sounds funny but you're not reaching that late game

then a tank solos your team

[sullen crystal]

kind of had that experience yesterday

was playing viktor and had an ashe build wits end and rookerd

I'd drop my combo on her and in the time it took for it to break the shield and drop her to even half she could just auto me to death and had no fear of ever dying

[wheat notch]

This is very intentional

I don't like it

[chilly ivy]

i know, they're fucking stupid

[wheat notch]

at least full damage has less hp involved so we can play Cut Down and not feel shit about it

[chilly ivy]

i don't want to fight a guy for 15 seconds, know i cannot escape while they slowly kill me

it's hella unfun

[wheat notch]

though i dont like that liandry is a health item...

but like luden sflame liandry deathcap void is only 300 health

[sullen crystal]

had a sion build rookerd and the new mr sunfire against us when we were a 4 ap team

that was dreadful

[wheat notch]

yeah

[chilly ivy]

sion is beyond broken atm

i think i'm banning him instead of yasuo for a while

it's that bad

[sullen crystal]

need to find who I'm going to enjoy playing this patch

[wheat notch]

I've got a scrimblo to sell you

[sullen crystal]

viktor felt fun, played sett and it didn't feel like he really used many new items

going to try some stuff with panth next

[sullen crystal]

I might try ziggs but I don't think I could ever show you stats after a game lmao

[wheat notch]

I manage a Ziggs streamer's Discord how bad can it be

I can just give you the tools and then you're free to do w.e.

[sullen crystal]

well I don't know the quality of the players there so I can't say

[wheat notch]

this is the streamer lol

[sullen crystal]

ah

maybe I'll be ok then

[wheat notch]

also they all hate Luden's for some reason

ig they didn't play League before s11 they're all overly attached to mythic Liandry

[sullen crystal]

I am a bit of a liandry's addict myself

however new ludens feels very goated despite being basically the same item

[wheat notch]

oh

ekko is broken

ok

[eternal palm]

That sounds lit

I missed ekko being in the meta

[wheat notch]

im sure its lit to get e q stormsurge instantly died

[eternal palm]

Tbf he does look a tiny bit fed

[chilly ivy]

https://streamable.com/a0czug reminds me of this play of mine

[eternal palm]

I feel like you and Ovven are having different games than me and lamb, I’ve yet to see a mage dominate the game yet (and this is with me feeding a veigar 10 kills)

[chilly ivy]

yeah in my games with lux i'm either useless or my power is incredibly invisible

like i did the most damage in the game vs sion, but the damage wasn't useful

cause half that damage was just liandry's

[wheat notch]

mages look w.e.

ap assassins however,

[chilly ivy]

assassins are eating goood

stormsurge is a lot better on them imo

[eternal palm]

I got to do my due diligence on items today so I don’t rush cosmic drive like an idiot again

[formal quartz]

I tried to build cleaver and terminus in ranked but it didn’t let me

[chilly ivy]

i still wanna rush one shot ult lux but it just sucks

but it funny

full build does around 2200 with ult

on a squishy

[formal quartz]

still less than cait ult

Jk idk which does more

[chilly ivy]

ngl prob cait ult

but you can block that

[formal quartz]

Yea true

[chilly ivy]

that sion they have will eat it for supper

[sullen crystal]

excited to try some more champs tonight, just not sure who

I know I need to run a game with full lethality panth

[formal quartz]

Can confirm panth was fun

Point and click stun and killing them

I’m sure it wasn’t fun for them but details

[sullen crystal]

panth is fun before the new patch

I'm just wondering which new items are worth it on it

[night marsh]

fuck that champ

actual ape champ

I looked at the data currently off op.gg and u.gg

mid is currently being dominated by ap champs that can 1 shot you

fizz, kata, akali, neeko, tf, etc

[formal quartz]

Sounds about right

[night marsh]

but it's mostly all stemming from how much they can abuse stormsurge

all the champs listed build it first/second (usually first)

top lane ap champs suck

out of top 10, it's between gwen singed and morde

and I expect gwen and singed to go down as the ranks start to stabilizie

[formal quartz]

Don’t forget shadowflame

[eternal palm]

Oh Fizz being meta is also cool, time to pull out the Fizz

[formal quartz]

They synergize a bit too well