Not to mention it’s not exactly the easiest ability to dodge when it’s evolved
#League of Legends
eternal palm
prisma ravine
Tbh its not easy to dodge when its not evolved either
Q speeds up your clear and makes taking dragons easier
And gives you strong early skirmishing
slim terrace
lcs apparently reached a deal with the lcspa
that sounds like either a really good thing or a really bad thing
I'm sure they both compromised somewhere
wheat notch
Azir might be a little unbalanced in ARAM
sinful frost
dim kindle
drama over NA uninteresting again
prisma ravine
God I hate that they gave Syndra a mini-rework
And instead of fixing her EQ made it worse
dim kindle
i really like her rework but ye E still has issues
doing q e in melee (e.g. zed rs you and you want to instant stun him behind you) basically doesnt work at all
what you mean with e q though? they just removed it
dim kindle
uh i have not see any e q at least not in the sense of what it was before
prisma ravine
Also god, why was Galeforce not deleted
slim terrace
didn't syndra's midscope succeed cause it introduced a lower elo playerbase
I can't speak so far as to the e rubberbanding
slim terrace
idk how they cook their spaghetti so no idea what's going on there 
wheat notch
he could surely have a 90% winrate against super muscular man tryndamere
dapper kite
Blud thinks he has even a chance against shen or xin
night marsh
How is rammus easy to fight
severe cairn
https://twitter.com/Spear_shot/status/1666961726858731520?s=20
it's not that bad
prisma ravine
No its uh
Pretty bad
Im the #1 biggest Vi hater out there
He does not beat Vi
And he does not have a 50/50 shot vs Illaoi
dapper kite
P sure atleast half the people in 9/10 fold him
severe cairn
but it's not the worst
dapper kite
Just nunu
prisma ravine
Im assuming Nunu and Willump
chilly ivy
stopwatch is the best item in the game ngl
wheat notch
yeah i wish they never made it honestly
humble glacier
we had league of stopwatch for a reason
i cant even remembeer how broken that item was on release
double zhonyas shenanagains, perfect timing making zhonyas/GA(did it build into GA at the start) alot cheaper
it used to cost what 650? 600?
i also think you got it at like 10 mins or smth
humble glacier
i always think back on how busted some things were and im glad they dont exist but im also sad i cant play them anymore
I think I wouldve mained tankko
prisma ravine
Spirit of the red lizard
Both Blue Ezreal and mid lane Kha used that
It was so fun
humble glacier
you know what else was funny
Kleptomancy
randomly just getting a free level for hitting the enemy
prisma ravine
Lmao I forgot it had that
They removed that one pretty quick iirc
We do have first strike now
humble glacier
yeah, that was its replacement iirc
prisma ravine
Surprisingly enough no
Omnistone was
But I dont blame you for not remembering that because uh
Who remembers omnistone
dim kindle
The redeeming quality stopwatch has to me is that situational purchases other than your primary build have a lot of really cool strategic depth in a way that league has steadily been moving away from and that I really enjoy
using stopwatch correctly does also carry a lot of skill expression
it was definitely way too good for way too long though
Its just an item that reminds me of a philosophy that no longer really suits league and in a way that makes me very sad
League is a great game, probably even a better game because the genre clearly needed to evolve but its not really the same game
slim terrace
league is a fantastic game, I just wish the mobility creep didn't go off the deep end
humble glacier
Who remembers omnistone
you just unlocked memories
I forgot that rune existed at all
dim kindle
i dont know where that rant suddenly came from
humble glacier
league is a fantastic game, I just wish the mobility creep didn't go off the dee...
everything creep went off the deep end
dim kindle
omnistone got lee nerfed like 5 times
dim kindle
Yeah but I have a hard time saying it made the game better
humble glacier
now if a game lasts longer than 35
its rare
this might just be me liking the longer, slower games but idk
dim kindle
ppl were just way worse back then and the game allowed more pointless stalling
but trust me i remember the adrenaline from 50-60 min games well
humble glacier
i dont even think people were really worse, things just got way more batshit over the seasons
prisma ravine
People were way worse, can confirm
dim kindle
if you let people now play season 2 league now it would look very different very fast
which is actually something that happend
prisma ravine
Counterjungling used to be this huge innovation once upon a time
dim kindle
ye
prisma ravine
That put M5 on the map with a playstyle we nowadays would consider fairly normal
dim kindle
There was a private project not too long ago that reverse engineered season 2 league before riot shut it down and the reports and footage of how that meta was played is very telling of the difference in playerbase skill
humble glacier
ah
dim kindle
anyway what im saying is that i miss a lot of things about old league its also important to be able to put aside rose tinted glasses
and game length is definitely one of those cases id say
wave clear was broken and we were too bad to finish games faster
It was just too easy to waste time
eternal palm
Mobility creep? The sustain creep was off the charts till this season where it became manageable again
I swear we went through a 2 year stretch of everybody just having the most insane sustain for no reason
chilly ivy
taric got an s- for this
he literally did fuck all all game
this is ridiculous
i did more dmg in a losing lane with naut
and every tf he stayed behind our adc
wheat notch
Who remembers omnistone
me
all i remember ab klepto is how it was the most popular gp rune even though grasp was better
also the fact it sometimes just gave you a free fucking skill point
wheat notch
were they filled
dapper kite
no
wheat notch
i think people who ban others hovers in champ select should be shot from the back
i also love how i dodged and it still put me in the game :)
it should not be going this well
wheat notch
thankfully our bot is complete dog shit 👍 👍
imagine doing worse than the one hostaging champ select
dapper kite
actually this fiora champ is kinda neat, i should play her more often
wheat notch
yeah i like playing fiora
wheat notch
Well if I win my next 2 I'm back in Masters <:clueless:1053714975870431302>
YEAHHHH
1 more
wheat notch
zzzz
very fun toget matched into duo smurfs
I could tell I was gonna stand a chance, for sure
wheat notch
and I get trolled my next game
😀
joyous
this calls for celebration
(me buying fast food )
had the troll add me probably to be toxic
I just spammed maxx c at them
this is a really good stress reliever actually just spamming During either player's turn: You can send this card from your hand to the Graveyard; this turn, each time your opponent Special Summons a monster(s), immediately draw 1 card. You can only use 1 "Maxx "C"" per turn. at someone
night marsh
wheat notch
yea that sure is a slur
dim kindle
not sure
wheat notch
i couldnt imagine a time where itd be actually ok
besides like maybe literally start of the game and they were just getting things started idk
dim kindle
yeah but the systems in place were different
there was no autoflag i think youd need to be reported
eternal palm
N word did not always use to be an auto flag no
wheat notch
wack
wheat notch
glow up ⁉️
prisma ravine
Tbh the new honour infractions are just ... poorly done
Seems like people just need to report you
I got warned for telling to people who were talking shit the entire game "You were talking mad smack, and now you lost :)"
wheat notch
I've called someone subhuman and didn't get tapped 🤙
gray sandal
wasnt n word always autoflag
not til like s8
wheat notch
fucked up
gray sandal
you can call someone "special", subhuman, dog, pdf, etc, but can't say what's up to your n!gga
wheat notch
ok u cant really bot pdf to be fair
gray sandal
sigh
wheat notch
This is hilarious
wheat notch
THESE XERATH CHANGES GO SO HARD
Is it just the passive and ult?
They're nice, but I don't think they're enough...
severe cairn
yeah
eternal palm
Tbf I don’t even consider Xerath to be in a bad position currently
There’s only like a handful of champions that I would consider just straight up unplayable in modern lol
dim kindle
these changes dont really help his problems but they make his artillery fantasy at 16 even crazier so thats cool ig :p
severe cairn
are we talking about his problems in terms of balance or his problems in terms of his class
wheat notch
As in he's still gonna be unplayable/have no winning matchups in midlane during lane phase
severe cairn
isn't that more him being an artillery mage with really exaggerated weaknesses
slim terrace
I hate him nowadays cause he has some pretty shitty self peel
wheat notch
isn't that more him being an artillery mage with really exaggerated weaknesses
Well..
eh.
Ziggs is holding up fine.
I don't know about Lux
Vel'koz... um... 
God this class is just a bunch of losers isn't it
severe cairn
yes
wheat notch
Fuck's sake
severe cairn
they need to rework the entire class like they did assassins and bruisers a while back
and mages
I will say
Ziggs' W is better than Xerath's E
wheat notch
they need to rework the entire class like they did assassins and bruisers a whil...
Well, no, because half the class is still chilling
...when did they take Zoe out...
severe cairn
I think that
prisma ravine
Zoe was technically never in it
severe cairn
jayce specifically, varus less so, should be balanced differently
prisma ravine
Shes more of a burst mage
prisma ravine
they need to rework the entire class like they did assassins and bruisers a whil...
I mean the assassin rework was a failure they ended up largely reverting lmao
severe cairn
I like how they made rengar stronger by letting him keep some of the rework changes
wheat notch
What the fuck
the edit history on fandom says Zoe was never in artillery
experiencing a maddening mandela effect rn
going to lsoe my mind
severe cairn
same energy as vex being originally designed with an artillery role in mind
wheat notch
Nah because Zoe's Champion Insights page mentions nothing about artilleries unlike Vex's
why is this in the article lmfao
night marsh
@severe cairn yeah it's confirmed now we're getting a gwen skin
severe cairn
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
night marsh
which will probably drop like any hour now
severe cairn
I will be keeping an eye out
wheat notch
Gamer Gwen
slim terrace
experiencing a maddening mandela effect rn
you're not going crazy, she definitely was classified as artillery somewhere
wheat notch
you're not going crazy, she definitely was classified as artillery somewhere
I remember Roast saying that Phreak called her an artillery assassin in her champion spotlight but
I also remember it being written down so I'm falling apart
slim terrace
but yeah I wouldn't classify her as a true artillery mage myself
slim terrace
she functions like an artillery mage in some ways (E extended range, Q range extended with R), but she needs to put herself in harm's way to be most effective
and she's more about hitting individual hard hitting skills than lots of long range lower damage ones
slim terrace
we did at least classify her as an artillery mage for a while in this server
wheat notch
Eh I never considered her one before
slim terrace
it had to be listed somewhere for you to list her as one multiple times
I just don't know where lol
wheat notch
Yeah I'm so confused
Yeah it's
In the champion spotlight...
Very incredible that YouTube censors assassin btw
formal quartz
Friendly reminder her sleep was a point and click in testing
slim terrace
I think her current version is better than a point and click, unless they made the range ridiculous
throwing huge range Es is really nice for playing safer with zoe
eternal palm
It’s weird because I’ve always considered the first iteration of Zoe an artillery mage
But she had 1 special trait artillery mages don’t have
And that’s playmaking potential
But idt that dismisses her from being an artillery mage
slim terrace
I think she's a cross between an artillery mage and a burst mage, but leaning more towards a burst mage
idk what you mean by playmaking potential other than higher mobility with spell shards/higher pick potential
eternal palm
She has mobility, pick potential in a way other artillery mages don’t
Like Zoe fishing for picks is way different than Lux throwing out bindings hoping to hit somebody
sullen crystal
sigh i hate playing against gp
barrels are such a fun mechanic and i love the range at which he can place them :)
sullen crystal
oh cool
sullen crystal
thank you gangplank very cool
formal quartz
Just don’t get hit
sullen crystal
you're funny
formal quartz
I’ll be here all day
sullen crystal
also what the fuck are udyr's numbers
formal quartz
Phoenix?
sullen crystal
this guy has pta and vamp scepter and nearly 100-0d me in like 4 hits
formal quartz
Oh yeah solo tiger is insane number wise
formal quartz
There’s a reason why I can’t top
severe cairn
this guy has pta and vamp scepter and nearly 100-0d me in like 4 hits
simply
which champion are you playing?
sullen crystal
sion
severe cairn
to be fair, sion has a losing matchup into everyone until you realize not to care about the opponent
then he just wins games by himself
sullen crystal
i literally cannot not care
formal quartz
Scaling tank things
formal quartz
Yeah udyr has like 50% max hp dmg if he goes ad
He’s not good in team fights but I guess he’s just trying to make your life miserable
severe cairn
sion's the best champ to play if you want to focus on wave management and macro
severe cairn
yeaaaaah
sullen crystal
this udyr also spam taunts after every kill
think i'll just stop playing again after this game
wheat notch
Ugh can I just get 4800BE champ shards
I only have 24 4800be champs left in my store...
i cba to grind up 115k blue essence (<- person who already has 24k blue essence)
sullen crystal
this game really bummed me out honestly
slim terrace
zoe my beloved
wheat notch
prisma ravine
Why does it have an ap scaling anyway
Like its not even intended to be Kaisas first item, they wanted Stormrazors to be that
wheat notch
Because they wanted to add funny item builds
like buying it on Veigar
like this is intended it's just that it's Too Good for dumbest champ LeBlanc
prisma ravine
The funniest thing is
wheat notch
i forget i want leblanc out of the game harder than yuumi until i play against a good one
prisma ravine
Kaisa mains are actually skipping Q evo now lmao
Because Shivv gives you the waveclear you need anyway
wheat notch
i forget i want leblanc out of the game harder than yuumi until i play against a...
it's actually insane like this champ is if they made an assassin good and i love having a completely unplayable lane
i had a smurf freeze on me and i got halfed for trying to break it (i failed, too) nice try trying to interact with me fuckhead unfortunately my W is the most well designed spell ever
prisma ravine
Like they just buffed Kaisa so she can get her Q evo at level 9 without buying an extra longsword
And Kaisa players just went "... yknow what Ill leave it for level 11"
LB is ... weird
I dont hate playing against her, but thats mostly because my champs match into her well
wheat notch
i think an assassin shouldnt get several get out of jail free cards if they fuck up
prisma ravine
Im mixed on that, but using W for mobility should lower your damage more
wheat notch
I'm more talking about the bounceback
ah yes i take 300 and i get to hit you back for nothing surely
and shes ranged so i dont have a big advantage while its on cd
at least if talon qs me and doesnt kill i can auto him down to death smh
formal quartz
I hate her passive more than the return
Like bruh it’s like an anivia egg but you move
slim terrace
Because Shivv gives you the waveclear you need anyway
does Q evolve not give you better single target burst too?
prisma ravine
It does if you get them isolated
But shivs damage and Nashors DPS are too big to give up
And the waveclear part is more consistently important by level 9
severe cairn
WHY IS STATIKK SHIV A MAGE ITEM NOW
wheat notch
That's a stretch
It's just LB having the best marksman kit but having only AP ratios
buying it on Veigar is pretty trol and I haven't seen it on any other mage
formal quartz
volibear is a mage
prisma ravine
Apparently its good on Zoe too
dapper kite
how good is it on neeko actually?
wheat notch
highest ranked neekos dont buy it and it has a 44% winrate as a first buy
53% wr as a 2nd/3rd buy
formal quartz
What’s her mythic? Proto?
wheat notch
ye
prisma ravine
how good is it on neeko actually?
Too little data to say conclusively tbh
No one is really trying it
chilly ivy
damn league is very dead atm
you literally cannot get into any game
ok ig customs work but it takes a minute
dim kindle
servers were down
eternal palm
Not sure if this should go here or #video_games but the new TFT is really good
slim terrace
riot matchmaking moment
gray sandal
you won bro what's the issue :^)
wheat notch
fucked up how the plat player did better than the challenger fr fr
wheat notch
wheat notch
duality of man
dapper kite
Whats the theory behind spellbook on ziggs?
dapper kite
I see, and after that
formal quartz
Back to ignite for the sack
wheat notch
its not working very well LOL
says person who just went 18/5/15 with it
time for the ranked trial run
THEY PICKED MY BABY BOY AWAY FROM ME
WAAA
night marsh
<:cheems:683182129668292685>
Lmao
formal quartz
THEY PICKED MY BABY BOY AWAY FROM ME
That’s why you beat him into the ground and tell them to never pick him again
dapper kite
bit of a bot differential me thinks
dapper kite
after losing three games in a row due to factors outside of my control, i won one mostly due to factors outside of my control, so now im 3 lp higher than where i started the day
idk how to feel about this, but ill take it
sullen crystal
I wish people that play lulu top have a very unpleasant day
what a miserable lane
wheat notch
heaven
wheat notch
Spellbook for Clarity is so fucking good oh man
wheat notch
Spellbook for Clarity is so fucking good oh man
it's a shame that i'm not bowling
dapper kite
its so ovver
wheat notch
I believe in you Guy
dapper kite
i do too
if only i didnt get an afk or a first time ranked player every other game
or id that ever happened to my opponents
formal quartz
Crit garen or bust
dapper kite
thats cool and all, and i am normally fine with it, but its been happening for the last 20 games or so
formal quartz
Smurfs in ranked has been ramping up
prisma ravine
Look on the bright side, you got the bad luck out of the way for your next gacha pull
dapper kite
Smurfs in ranked has been ramping up
cool, now put like
one of them in my team for once
i am higher in flex q than i am in solo rn
i have played like
15 games flex this season
prisma ravine
Flex q unironically had better matchmaking for me this season
dapper kite
we are so back
wheat notch
I'm so proud of you oomfie
dapper kite
inshallah i get another team that hasnt ripped out 50% of their brain right before the game and im back where i started today
dapper kite
kills dont really tell the story of how well you did the game
slim terrace
I've had games like that before, sometimes you just get kills
dapper kite
if my team isnt literally tripping themself up trying to play the game, getting kills as garen is easy
theres like 2 champs that garen doesnt win lane and eventually kill his opponet against baring jgl intervention
of course i can kill the shen, past level 6 he cannot lane against me
of course i can kill the rest of the team, they are all way to squishy to survive a single rotation
eternal palm
prisma ravine
She looks pretty sick
slim terrace
those animations fuck
prisma ravine
Her kit is, as promised, pretty basic
The only part Im unsure on is how you itemise her
slim terrace
looks kinda like elise with a vi ult that chases far instead of knocking up
slim terrace
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/event/naafiri-abilities-rundown/ oh didn't realize they already released the abilities
so it's cait ult in reverse
prisma ravine
I hope her packmates work with duskblade
Otherwise, uh
She wont have an ideal mythic
Extra gameplay
slim terrace
it looks like whoever this is used youmuu's on her
slim terrace
damn that W has a really low cd too
slim terrace
and ye her R seems super cool
I figured she was a jungler but it looks like they were playing her mid
prisma ravine
it looks like whoever this is used youmuu's on her
Ye, but thats likely pre-gutting
Midlane
And we dont know if she has mana
severe cairn
I'm very disappointed by the new champ
slim terrace
why
severe cairn
I was literally expecting Sif but with a dagger
slim terrace
which game is sif in
dim kindle
dark souls
sullen crystal
humble glacier
point click dash is always going to be a nightmare tbh
this one can be blocked, but i bet you can dash from a few different angles with multiple wolves
aside from that i like it
the kit is simple enough, has a theme and isnt creatively bankrupt or 200 years
formal quartz
It’s 200 years cause he has two dashes and a mspd buff
dim kindle
Dunno historically its not simple kits like this that are long term problems
anyway i love their(?) animations and whole theme
really cool
formal quartz
Dunno historically its not simple kits like this that are long term problems
Yeah I’m just joking. She has no cc so it’s just going to be a number tuning problem if she’s good or bad
chilly ivy
i can see the targeted long range dash becoming a problem
moreso in low elo where the support won't tank it
eternal palm
Dunno historically its not simple kits like this that are long term problems
this is very true, just look at azir, yasuo, thresh
dim kindle
The pack dogs can soak projectiles right?
dim kindle
good point
formal quartz
“How do I counter Naafiri?
“Kill the small dogs”
“I’d rather lose”
dapper kite
humble glacier
i wonder if the purchase rate of runaans will increase for the next month or 2 and then decrease again
prisma ravine
Why so?
humble glacier
i assume runaans bolts will hit Naafiri's dogs
which may be invaluable in characters with single target dps
the increase and decrease part is to coorespond with the rise and fall of the pickrate of "new character"
as people play with their new toy and eventually drop it
unrelated, i thought he was going to be a jungler so i wasnt as excited for him
but the pack of wolves are in the lane i play
prisma ravine
She
Naafiri is female
Also, hm
I can maybe see Runaans
But its kinda awkward
night marsh
https://twitter.com/KennekyDeky/status/1671900949231673344?s=20
just waiting for the pochita naafiri skin
humble glacier
Naafiri is female
oh cool
prisma ravine
Yep, our second female monster
Tiiiny bit less monstrous than I'd like, but I vibe with Naafiri
Also theyre buffing Lee
By making his Q even stronger
Its now better than Khas Isolated Q at 100% hp
slim terrace
https://twitter.com/KennekyDeky/status/1671900949231673344?s=20
naafiri reminds me a lot of this guy
slim terrace
@prisma ravine how do you feel now that kaisa has a popular "hybrid" build again 
you can go shiv > nashor's > rageblade/luden's now
prisma ravine
Feels good
Though I think its very funny that you basically skip her q evo till level 11
formal quartz
Shiv needs a nerf imo
chilly ivy
It's getting a huge nerf already
prisma ravine
Its getting gutted
chilly ivy
Pretty much
formal quartz
Ah okay that was to be expected
dapper kite
i sure love losing 25 lp becuase of an afk
wheat notch
statikk fair item i think
humble glacier
Honestly
I think I'm excited
For naafiri
And she's the first champ in a while I've been excited for
Yeah
She is since like yuumi or qiyana
I don't play top jg or ad that much
I liked milio but playing support is hell
I didn't play Renata cuz I was out of league around her release, also support
I wish vex was norra and an apc
I didn't play rell either
I went on an aphelios binge but then they removed the parts I found fun slowly
Seraphine had her weird twitter queerbait musician stuff and then she's also better support or apc than mid
(though that did introduce me to a wonderful artist/song)
Then we get to like the string of champs I did play, which was neeko, sylas, qiyana, yuumi
But they've removed the parts of sylas and yuumi I liked
wheat notch
Seraphine support is her worst role
chilly ivy
yeah sera mid or sera that farms is better
prisma ravine
Actually mid is her worst role
Needs very specific comps to be half-decent, and even then you lose half your kit in the early game
She basically needs to be partnered up with someone
wheat notch
Actually mid is her worst role
ye totally man
every high rated seraphine avoids support like the plague for no reason for sure 👍
wheat notch
every high rated seraphine avoids support like the plague for no reason for sure...
(every being used in hyperbole)
prisma ravine
I mean her midlane is both significantly less popular and performs relatively significantly worse
wheat notch
that doesnt make it her worst role lol
prisma ravine
Kinda does? Im saying compared to support
Support is more popular and does better
And if you look here https://probuildstats.com/champion/seraphine her roles among pros and high elo Seraphines are split between ... bot and support
There are some mid players, but its less than half that of support
Well ok technically top or jungle are her worst roles, but those arent even played seriously
wheat notch
pro midlaners cant even be bothered to learn ksante as if theyll learn an enchanter midlaner
prisma ravine
Sure but you can filter out OTPs
And then crossreference to see that high elo OTPs play Seraphine even more in support
Both OTPs and pro players ignore her midlane because it sucks, its her worst (commonly picked) role
Losing most of your kit sucks
wheat notch
u dont lose
any of ur kit?
like have u even played the champ mid to be able to make a claim as dumb as that?
oh no my passive is mildly less effective in exchange for significantly more xp and gold which my champion values massively
prisma ravine
Its a bit of a hyperbole, but her W, E and passive all work significantly better in a duo lane
Moreso in bot, but even in support E and passive are much better, which does add up
wheat notch
yeah and u get fuckall for gold
so u stop being a champ
sera needs 3 items to be a champ surely you should be putting her in support
prisma ravine
Combine that with her waveclear being really really rough past level 3, and the fact that her scalings arent very good
And its no surprise that her mid isnt very good
prisma ravine
Well, you wont always have the double Q up, and thats still a minimum 6 seconds you need to wait
wheat notch
tsk i forgot practice tool is off
prisma ravine
Compare that to say, Viktor
Who just goes E
And then the wave is already nearly gone
You just need to auto 3 times
Or Q and auto twice
wheat notch
ye wow lets compare 2 incomparable champions to set some kind of example !
prisma ravine
Like 6 seconds is already slow, but thats if you have the double Q stacked up
prisma ravine
Again, 6 seconds in the best case scenario (and Im not even sure thats accurate tbh?)
Cant be bothered to do math tho
But yeah, there is a reason her support is more played, more successful and particularly more played by onetricks than her mid
Mid also does have the problem that it falls off a cliff fwiw
wheat notch
but u are just lying?
prisma ravine
Only champ I can think of whose fourth item winrate is 5% lower than her third item winrate o.0
Thats actually crazy wtf
(Thats on midlane, not support tbc)
wheat notch
ok
so
u start
literally 1shotting casters lv5
with double q + e
and u want to tell me this champ has shit waveclear
prisma ravine
Oh oneshotting casters, I thought you meant the wave
prisma ravine
Also are you sure on that? I thought level 3 is where it stops doing that
Either way, I was mostly thinking levels 7+
Where most mages start clearing waves in 4 seconds or so
prisma ravine
While Seraphines best-case scenario is 5-6 and worst-case scenario is longer
prisma ravine
Hm
Maybe my numbers are off then
Fair enough
Though the fact that her mid isnt good ... does remain, by all accounts
Oh they removed the E damage reduction entirely
... when did that happen?
prisma ravine
Fair enough
Thats not particularly fast given the cannon, but its not super slow either
Apparently the E damage reduction was removed without being mentioned in patchnotes, weird
prisma ravine
Her Qs scaling is decent
wheat notch
making her better in mid
prisma ravine
Its like 0.9 at most
But her E scaling is awful and her ult scaling is at best mid
Its like 0.35 and 0.6
prisma ravine
It increases by up to 50%
If it doubled thatd be a different story, but its up to 1.5*
Max is like 0.975 to be precise
Which is at ~25% hp remaining
wheat notch
dapper kite
P sure win 3 is talkin bout the doublecast
prisma ravine
Ooooh
wheat notch
yes bc thats the only one that matters
prisma ravine
I thought she meant the damage up it gets lmao
wheat notch
no her Q scaling increases per level
the exe is a cherry on top but i forget about it outside of waveclear tbh
prisma ravine
Even Orianna, who is not intended to do a lot of damage, has much better scalings at 0.5, 0.7 and 0.95
With very low cooldowns on the first 2
wheat notch
she also has significantly less range
prisma ravine
Not really? I believe Seraphines Q has like ~75 more range than Oriannas Q
wheat notch
Sera Q will have a 3sec cd at 2 items it's fine for it to be frontloaded into that lol
prisma ravine
But Orianna can of course do the delivery system
Which is about 50% more range than Seraphines Q
Plus the Q is frontloaded in the double-cast
wheat notch
Not really? I believe Seraphines Q has like ~75 more range than Oriannas Q
ur forgetting that seraphine q is also significantly wider
prisma ravine
And slower, which does come up
chilly ivy
ez somehow did not notice the ward that was not stealthed
wheat notch
its slower yes but also the rest of ur kit locks people down its fine
prisma ravine
ez somehow did not notice the ward that was not stealthed
Youd be surprised on how many people that works lmao
prisma ravine
I still need to play Newko
But yeah Seraphines damage is lackluster compared to utility casters
And of course far behind compared to damage-focused casters like Viktor
Which means items on her don't quite have the same value
Which incidentally might be the reason Rabadons is bad on her?
wheat notch
its fine for her damage to not be literally insane when her ult wins fights on its own much harder than Most Ultimates In The Game
prisma ravine
Well yeah
But you dont need items for that
Most of her value lies in her CC
Which is crazy
wheat notch
idk ive never had problems w damage after actually getting items
prisma ravine
Really the only "key" item on Seraphine is basically Rylais because her E works weird with it
wheat notch
rylais is a noobtrap
sera just needs 3 items and then she has big damidge and big util
prisma ravine
Actually Rabadons is the noobtrap it seems
The item has awful stats on her
Its like 6% less than the good items
prisma ravine
Wait how are you getting that
wheat notch
prisma ravine
Not really
Lolalytics approach is fundamentally flawed sadly
(They basically use any game where a platinum player was in it, even if they were smurfing against golds)
Which ends up completely fucking up their numbers
prisma ravine
And causes items that you buy when youre ahead to overperform relatively
Oh so it does
Nvm then, Im wrong
Guess the sample size was too small
wheat notch
well ye its not as popular as u said
prisma ravine
I should've checked that
Eh, its still the third-most picked item
But mid is so rarely played that there arent enough games
Which I guess I should've realised
wheat notch
by it i was referring to sera
prisma ravine
Oh
Lmao
Yeah fair
Either way, Seraphine mid is just unpopular, and by all accounts her support lane is doing better, except maybe in challenger (I say maybe because sample size)
Realistically though, you just play her as a botlane APC
wheat notch
i will get to challenger with sera mid just to spite u specifically
prisma ravine
Thats by far her best lane
You get the gold you want, get to fully utilise your kit, and you have natural synergy with supports
prisma ravine
i will get to challenger with sera mid just to spite u specifically
Do as you will :)
Btw hows the sheet going?
wheat notch
its going
I'll get their medians in a sec since apparently that might be Significant
humble glacier
I always find it funny that the character that does better around allies was advertised as midland
Midlane
prisma ravine
I always find it funny that the character that does better around allies was adv...
Riot has weird ideas or design choices sometimes
Like Bel'Veth
They took a visual concept they liked, a kit they liked, and bashed them together with no concern for if it fits
(It did not)
Still mad about that
humble glacier
Haha punchy manta ray go brrr
wheat notch
important to remember these are only on ziggs 
i do not test other champs
yuo'r numbers may differ etc. etc.
prisma ravine
I mean yeah but
Its a good baseline
Does HF amplify Liandrys now?
I forgor if that one was supposed to work or not
prisma ravine
Huh
Should be good on Kog then
You mostly care for base damages anyway
The one part Im never 100% on on Kog is if I go Nashors or not
Because your W starts chunking for a lot, but autoattacking is pretty risky
eternal palm
From my experience, sera adc always felt like her best role imo
prisma ravine
Initially support actually was her best role because her E did like 55% damage to minions for some reason
But after a while, yeah
eternal palm
I still think I would put support above mid tbh
eternal palm
The craziest part of sera’s kit is W/ult, but her damage really flats out around mid game anyways, especially in shorter fights. As support once you hit the moonstone + putrifier/redemption breakpoints you’re hard carrying team fights anyways
prisma ravine
Isnt it Helia now?
eternal palm
I still do moonstone but I’ve admittedly haven’t had enough game with Helia to say what’s more correct
It could be comp dependent also
prisma ravine
Im surprised we still dont have Naafiris numbers
wheat notch
Just carried a fuckign
ubertroll draven
we are so back
the 1 time I'm grateful that a lot of Ziggs' powerbudget is slotted into structures
wheat notch
Isnt it Helia now?
Helia on Sera blows
u only apply it with W which has . an extremely long cd
prisma ravine
Oh yeah right, they fixed the interaction
wheat notch
Shurelya is best in slot iirc
and then sometimes Moonstone depending on the game
Or you just get Liandry's 3rd I guess
dapper kite
man garen is just such a cool champion
one entire lane thats unplayable and you can simply ban that
you can always kill your opponent as long as you arent giga outskilled
i love playing this shit
actually difficult to go negative in stats with him
like you have to try really hard
formal quartz
how do you outskill garen
wheat notch
playing kalista
dapper kite
wave manipulation
there are a few chapions where garen cant walk more than half of the lane up or he risks being deadge
also of course jgl diff can ruin your game
formal quartz
playing kalista
Is that what I ban playing garen
dapper kite
No you ban darius
wheat notch
wow rell is FUCKED
imagine if my adc didnt want to play passively
her ult is maddeningly clunky though
eternal palm
time to q up for some mid gameplay
wheat notch
God I don't remember the last time I played a support in ranked and did good
This champ is not ok lmfao
dapper kite
so true bestie
wheat notch
I don't remember ever playing her pre-rework so I wouldn't be able to comment
But current feels very fun
Besides the clunkiness in ult
sullen crystal
Honestly after the last time I played her pre rework
how tf did anyone jungle with her
humble glacier
She wasn't a jg prerework
formal quartz
You can’t tell me what to do
humble glacier
They just slapped a ton of bonus dmg to monsters post rework and now she is
wheat notch
ye
sullen crystal
She wasn't a jg prerework
yes I know
what I meant was
the last time I played her she felt like dogshit even in the lane she was meant to be in
so my impression of the character was outdated
wheat notch
dim kindle
i just watched it the sword os so big
night marsh
@severe cairn looks good
slim terrace
can't wait to see more of the samira ultimate tbh
her R looks really over the top, in a good way
prisma ravine
Oh they basically removed almost all of Akalis buffs in ARAM
Damn, now she is actually garbage in ARAM
prisma ravine
She does
But its not enough to make up for the fact that she belongs to the by far worst class in ARAM, and her core skill is naturally countered by a summoner everyone picks
Lucian has almost the same buffs
Lucian
(He has 20% tenacity, +5% damage up and -5% damage recieved, Akali has -10% damage recieved instead)
slim terrace
didn't even realize Lucian was buffed on aram lol
prisma ravine
I only realised it because he wasnt ccd for as long as I thought he shouldve been
No idea why he is buffed
Draven is also buffed, but I can at least somewhat see why
Since his Q mechanic is kinda awkward in ARAM
But he is also an ADC and probably shouldnt have a buff on that alone
Lucian just doesnt make sense tho
night marsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2mWDEUUPsM bro that samira ult
slim terrace
that ability that's just old fiora ult looks like it's gonna be terrible to deal with
wheat notch
I think my favourite feature about Yasuo Windwall is how it is infinitely thicker than its side view makes u think
formal quartz
Why does it even start from behind him
wheat notch
1 more win and i will have equalised hf winrates 🥹
as well as current patch
actu wait i forgor to record 1 game it's already 50
sinful frost
In short
Item build doesn't matter
Git gud
prisma ravine
Oh theyre cell-shaded
Neat
Also guess were gonna see a lot of horny comments about Samira huh
Oh its another Lux skin
I kinda vibe with this one though
The hat is cute
Hornybait splash art for a male character's prestige skin splash trend continues
Full lineup including skins whose splash we dont have yet I believe
Im actually loving that Shaco, and Jhin is neat too
gray sandal
prestige splash arts idk just don't be hittin' anymore
prisma ravine
Oh shaco is a cat girl reference from bbz
Ehhh
gray sandal
~~Hornybait splash art for a male character's prestige skin splash trend continu...
it was nice with seraphine but then always goes this direction now lol
also not to mention they're always some purple/pink aesthetic zzz
prisma ravine
I mean yes its similar to the Tao, but its a general cheshire cat aesthetic
gray sandal
in-game*
prisma ravine
I guess it could be a BB reference though, since this is fighting game themed
night marsh
Yeah lol
Siegfried/happy chaos
These skins look sick though, especially the splash arts
gray sandal
do we know why the samira skin is an ultimate yet btw? @night marsh
night marsh
Yeah
prisma ravine
What features?
humble glacier
Probably because this seems to be something not super creatively bankrupt from riot
We don't know
In some dev letter they basically said
"The Samira skin was legendary or smth but we kept on having cool ideas and now it's ultimate"
dim kindle
lol the LoR version of the samira one has way less abs
kinda random
anyway love all this shit
gray sandal
as long as there's more to the samira skin than this preview https://twitter.com/LeagueOfLegends/status/1673737959986671616
humble glacier
I hope I like naafiri
gray sandal
as long as there's more to the samira skin than this preview https://twitter.com...
if that's all there is to samira skin then calling it an ultimate is a scam 
legit just interested to see bc first time "ultimate" skin in years but this not looking good so far
humble glacier
Did you expect the lux skin to not provide benefits 🙂
dim kindle
I love these skins but i feel like they are a complete clarity chaos
humble glacier
I love these skins but i feel like they are a complete clarity chaos
Might be a prob for the characters that legit look different like it seems they did for pyke and eve by making them more human
Maybe the silhouettes are similar enough to be recognized
Though I guess kda eve exists and eve is invisible anyway
night marsh
if that's all there is to samira skin then calling it an ultimate is a scam <:To...
bro my eyes feel assualted
I feel like in game, the samira skin is just going to be a vomit of colors
formal quartz
I prefer more clarity over barely visible effects
severe cairn
who is the taokaka clone
prisma ravine
Shaco
wheat notch
guess how much lp i got for this game chat
severe cairn
3 and some pocket lint
wheat notch
nto even close
prisma ravine
Ah, the psycho power user
formal quartz
Maybe it’ll make me play eve again
I stopped maining her after the rework
I’m also going to brag I was part of the group of random players that tested her rework during development
prisma ravine
Sadly not in this wave
Original Lux skin concept art
I ... kinda prefer this one ngl
Also Samira was I-no
formal quartz
Damn these look nice
night marsh
I think one is LoR, the other is League
humble glacier
is naafiri on pbe yet?
night marsh
prisma ravine
@humble glacier she is now
Gonna do some testing on her rq
Oh practice tool is busted
W gains range based on ult level
Early game the range is pathetic
humble glacier
Thx
prisma ravine
Np
humble glacier
I'll get on eventually
prisma ravine
Practice tool doesnt work rn
humble glacier
Oof
humble glacier
Do u know if she's only ad or if she has hybrid scalings
humble glacier
Ok
prisma ravine
Anything else you want me to quickly check?
humble glacier
Gonna throw out any guinsoos dreams right there (do the dogs apply on hit)
prisma ravine
Im still in the practice tool rn
humble glacier
Nah that's it I think
prisma ravine
Gimme a sec, Ill take red and I can check
Looks like they dont
Ok Ive checked the thing I was most curious about
Also practice tool just got disabled lmao
humble glacier
Lool
prisma ravine
Anyway Naafiris dogs dont get a benefit from duskblades amp