but yeah that's a lot of work
#League of Legends
chilly ivy
wheat notch
I do need to mark down all my runes and starting items though
before they get lost to time
chilly ivy
if you have raw data you could make a script and just isolate damage spikes
and just remove false positives by hand
wheat notch
gotta say though fuck fizz
my only L so far but he's so annoying
if I win 1 more game I'm in masters again at leadt :D
chilly ivy
wait they're hitting asol again
fuck
fair, but like, also fuck you
i like winning!
prisma ravine
Just play a different champ that doesnt get nerfed 
chilly ivy
soloqueue is even better, but less sample size
wheat notch
it's ok bestie you'll get your LP with Ziggs once I make a masterguide in a few months time
prisma ravine
Man Im curious what the Navori buff is
chilly ivy
sorry i already have a substitute
wheat notch
100 games each of horizon and sflame are probably good enough right 
prisma ravine
There is (unfortunately) a risk that assassin builds are gonna shift to using it and crit
prisma ravine
The Youmuus nerf actually looks like it might be too much now that I took another look at it, and Duskblade is turbo-ass
If there is no good assassin mythic you might as well poach Quickblades
chilly ivy
please understand, i cannot play another game of ziggs
wheat notch
please understand, i *cannot* play another game of ziggs
if u play enough you could have a 69.69% winrate
think about it
chilly ivy
also i got to plat in flex, not that it matters a lot
wheat notch
the pfp then
chilly ivy
i'm actually plat 3 in flex
i wonder if i could like
be diamond in flex?
but that's a pipe dream
wheat notch
if it means anything dia/masters is way easier to get into this season
you can tell from how i was hardstuck plat 3 for 2 seasons and suddenly chilled in d1
chilly ivy
i mean, i was hardstuck gold
i'll chock it up to improvement, but in the end, i'm (mostly) enjoying the game with friends
i have double the number of flex games than solo
66 vs 144
chilly ivy
i think another thing that helped is that i moved from support to mid
and that a friend told me like
wheat notch
am not gonna comment on my games played
It's more than last season though
that's a bit fucked huh I've outdone my last year in half that time
chilly ivy
"your playstyle is to be (sometimes overly) cautious and playing safe, you should be playing things that farm well and/or scale"
thus the ziggs arc
with asol rework hitting every T for me
chilly ivy
ik ik
i needed a champ that does damage and clears well
ziggs q fits the bill
recently chogath when i realised you have a 5 sec 50 mana button that auto clears the wave
wheat notch
best artillery for u would be like velkoz prob.....
chilly ivy
i didn't like velkoz
wheat notch
id say xerath too but xerath sucks ass
chilly ivy
it doesn't necessarily have to be artilery
wheat notch
well non artillery falls out of my realm of expertise
chilly ivy
i just like playing safe
wheat notch
he's a baby champ man
chilly ivy
idt this'll go down well
wheat notch
the epic youtube barrels dont6 maatter that much
chilly ivy
hmm ig i'll try him
wheat notch
like ths only one that matters is ghost but its hard so most ppl dont bother
(ghost being q barrel anf immediately place a 2nd so it detonates without being responded to)
wheat notch
yeah i can't do that one
the way I've pulled it off (only in practice tool) is you q a barrel outside of q range
chilly ivy
like you make gp move in range, shoot, then immediatelly e?
chilly ivy
i'll try it ig
wheat notch
seeing this clip makes me miss Matt tbh
wheat notch
like you make gp move in range, shoot, then immediatelly e?
Here's me doing it
prisma ravine
So did some quick testing on the PBE
Youmuus is gutted
If youre going lethality you still go Youmuus because Duskblade is still turbo-ass, but its bad
... worse yet is that I am pretty sure it means you dont build lethality anymore
At least on Kha
Oh god I hate this
This cant be the best build
Ok yeah, Youmuus is way overnerfed
They have to tune back the nerfs
wheat notch
WHY DOES FAILING PROMOS -35 YOU LOL??
wheat notch
holy trinity rn
prisma ravine
... why Rengar?
eternal palm
Tbf Ziggs can’t really react to rengar
You have to basically predict satchel before he 100-0’s you
prisma ravine
Well yeah, but Rengar is one of the few assassins who didnt really get that much better I feel?
Unless theyre smart enough to get Galeforce
Few are
wheat notch
Well yeah, but Rengar is one of the few assassins who didnt really get that much...
He's only #1 winrate jungler Diamond+
wheat notch
You have to basically predict satchel before he 100-0’s you
the problem isnt reacting in time
wheat notch
Good to be back 
wheat notch
So it’s a lose lose either ways
dim kindle
rengar has been disturbing in high elo for a while
Credit to his mains they really know how to terrorize
wheat notch
God this champ is so difficult
wheat notch
nice client indie company
sinful frost
wheat notch
Just noticed Ziggs E is bugged to either do significantly more or less damage depending on its mood lmfao
I'm hitting a test dummy at Level 1 with no AP and 3 mines total should do 30+12+12 damage but it's doing 48 total instead? And sometimes it does 66???
wheat notch
Nautilus mid feels pretty broke
To be fair, this is normals, and my opposing midlaner is AP Thresh 
wheat notch
wheat notch
they literally have everfrost in their inv???
chilly ivy
i meant naut
chilly ivy
oh wait it's you why didn't i notice that
wheat notch
bc ur stinky
these mana issues are insane
i think im supposed to buy fimbulwinter
or maybe roa
chilly ivy
uh i'd go for ludens
wheat notch
did u consider the fact i can also do a lot of damage building full tank while not falling over to a gust of wind
just had Thresh Q pull me through a wall, wtf?
dapper kite
Can happen when youre to close to it
wheat notch
Wack as fuck
chilly ivy
did u consider the fact i can also do a lot of damage building full tank while n...
did you consider that if you kill them first, you cannot die!
(this is a joke)
wheat notch
(this is a joke)
This clarification cannot stop me, for I cannot read!
Nidalee is so shit lmfao
this was not worth the effort.
humble glacier
what did they build
i heard somewhere that evenshroud naut mid is in vogue
wheat notch
Yeah
wheat notch
To all good Yasuo players:
You are not safe in your own home.
Literally permafroze on me and I could never break it because he'd threaten to just kill me outright
So he generated a 1,5~ Level and 26cs lead
Thank fuck he lost but oh my god that was so miserable
all ive learned from that is that i need to abuse freezing
because oh my god man
slim terrace
or maybe roa
apparently you're supposed to do abyssal mask + evenshroud
wheat notch
apparently you're supposed to do abyssal mask + evenshroud
yeah i know but i was perma oom
slim terrace
oh didn't see you built that
oh no wait I meant in that order
so like mask into shroud then whatever
mask has mana and shroud should have regen
wheat notch
mask has mana and shroud should have regen
mask no longer builds out of catalyst big bro
wheat notch
evenshroud never had regen
eternal palm
Should have done manaflow band secondary
That would have helped your mana situation
That + corrupting start
wheat notch
The mana problem was after lane
I had cookies for lane but spamming abilities after was a problem
eternal palm
Waking up and playing league was not my best idea
severe cairn
alright how much LP
chilly ivy
slim terrace
doing my best raka cosplay
piling 5 heals/shields onto one dude as they get all-ined is still so fun
humble glacier
I really wish milio passive counted as his own dmg
dim kindle
its made that way so supports dont get the kills when giving bonus damage to allies
wheat notch
You do now!
prisma ravine
... so I got Irelia in my first ARAM today
Lets see if I have any clue on how to play her
prisma ravine
I did alright, but my team did not
Cant hit half of my Es tho
... got an S+ somehow
night marsh
Gotta work on your q-e combos kid
prisma ravine
Literally havent played Irelia in like a year
eternal palm
Imagine hitting an E on irelia
Tbf, last time I played Irelia
Guy picked GP
And GP is just even safer mid than he is top
So he was just shoving and roaming
dim kindle
Match up definitely easier for gp in mid than top cuz freeze is harder to maintain
slim terrace
F
slim terrace
oh man imagine if LCS actually had a scene for rising stars
this dude's earned it though, goddamn prodigy
wheat notch
From my testing we can conclude Horizon Focus is significantly worse than Shadowflame despite outperforming sflame in damage 
( i have 2x games played with horizon and am playing like shit right now )
severe cairn
is this on any specific champ?
dapper kite
ziggs
wheat notch
i dont think itd be very useful if i just did it for any champ i played
prisma ravine
Probably not
Realistically given sample size it might not be useful in general but shhh
wheat notch
~~Realistically given sample size it might not be useful in general but shhh~~
I mean it's not like I'm done with the Sheet
This is going to go on for hundreds of games
Might as well, right?
I have over 600 ranked games this season alone
May as well use my addiction to help figure out what legendary is better
especially now that horizon has been fixed lol
wheat notch
May as well use my addiction to help figure out what legendary is better
also writing down all my runes
just to figure out what works and doesnt
eternal palm
hint: the answer was always liandry's
prisma ravine
I mean sure, it can help you, though I will say, Id probably only consider the sample size sound at a couple thousand games
wheat notch
idm playing that much. ovven
prisma ravine
... do you need an intervention?
wheat notch
im not gonna answer that
wheat notch
hint: the answer was always liandry's
It's ok to join a conversation with literally no context and say loudly you have no idea what you're talking about !
but I'd appreciate it if you didn't
Especially if you're trying to be condescending about it.
eternal palm
What context is needed? Crown is a literal meme item that people clown on whenever pros build it.
prisma ravine
People clown on a lot of things pro do even when pros are right
wheat notch
masybe the context
that crown
was never part of the convbo?
lmfao
like read the messages
and maybe extract something out of them
eternal palm
you know you don't have to click show on blocked messages btw?
eternal palm
stick to the emo kid routine, it's better for both of us that way
prisma ravine
You need to chill, bruv
severe cairn
Wintry is like 11 years old why are you talking to her like that she's just doing her own thing
wheat notch
I'm of age
severe cairn
hyperbole to express a point
wheat notch
I don't think infantilizing is the way to do it
severe cairn
I just thought calling him a grown-ass adult with a wife talking to you like a high schooler was a bit too confrontational
regardless
was anyone saying horizon focus was better than shadowflame on ziggs?
I thought that was a xerath question
wheat notch
It's "the" artillery item
And it was every Artilleries 2nd buy (with exception) before Shadowflame came out
which is coincidentally when they killed Horizon, and it was also buggy but that's besides the point
severe cairn
I don't quite understand the concept behind it giving 150 hp when the passive rewards you for zoning
wheat notch
A rioter explained that all the mage legendaries giving health was a mini 'durability update' for the class itself
before the durability patch came out
Because damage went way up with new items and stuff
or smthg
severe cairn
and now they're slowly adding damage back in so
wheat notch
durability patch stopped mattering forever ago
except for lane
which is when my champ was best
so w/e
severe cairn
haven't they also removed the HP from most of the non-battle mage legendaries
wheat notch
The only mage legendary that had its health removed is Cosmic Drive, which is the battle mage legendary
severe cairn
I could've sworn they removed the HP from morello's
severe cairn
does the 200 and 150 actually mean anything for mages
wheat notch
I mean it stacks up a bit
but dmg dealers truly don't care rn
shoutout to well designed items stormrazor, youmuus and galeforce
only time ive ever had the health matter is when i had crown but like . i already have crown 🧍♀️
severe cairn
yasuo and yone not building galeforce prior to the crit item changes because they just enjoyed shieldbow that much more suddenly having a free extra dash that does execute damage that scales with crit:
severe cairn
galeforce BT
severe cairn
these crit item changes SUCK
wheat notch
but yeah anywya horizon is kinda balling rn
if you ignore that i have a significantly lower wr with it (low sample size etc etc) compared to sflame
severe cairn
well you can only gather so much data with yourself as the only datapoint
if it does more damage it does more damage
wheat notch
also the highest damage ive gotten with horizon being almost 9k compared to shadowflames 5k
the fact it works with liandry/embrace now is soooo big
wheat notch
whats up
the only thing horizon amped before was spells/ things tagged as "spell damage"
didnt work with autos or sheen or liandry/embrace burn etc. etc.
but now it does
so its sick
severe cairn
oh
yeah that sounds sick
I might play xerath more again in that case (I will built Liandry's)
wheat notch
go for it
though remember u have to play Xerath
in current year
artilleries are so not balling rn
severe cairn
you're right I'll just play Orianna instead
wheat notch
u know its bad when azzapp says hes not gonna onetrick velkoz anymore LMA
hes so down bad rn
severe cairn
they really need to update the artillery mage champ design ngl
and also give Orianna a rework too
wheat notch
i loved when they said theyre making vex artillery and then said Neverrmind
(to be fair it was tech limitations but still :I)
severe cairn
I just want any of the champs I used to play to be playable/fun again
wheat notch
well not dropping entirely
but playing variety
i cant blame him ziggs feels so shit to play too rn
sullen crystal
I remember I used to watch him for a while and his streams were p good
severe cairn
Morde and Pantheon are so far removed from the crusty, pre-rework abominations that they're not even the same champs, Ahri suffers from No Damage Syndrome now and they buffed her survivability so now she's the white bread Taylor Swift-loving basic vanilla option, I feel like Viktor is so bad rn at lower ranks even though U.GG says he's S tier
and Vlad is the only guy left
wheat notch
if my team falls behind its joever if i fall behind its joever my opponent buys Very Fairly Designed AD Item and kills me in 2 autos
sullen crystal
made me play velkoz for a hot minute too although me and skillshot champs are not a good match
severe cairn
oh and Corki is only playable in ARAM I feel so I can't even tro—play for fun with him on the Rift without inting
idk maybe I'm just bad at Viktor
wheat notch
Corki felt insane when i faced one
he gets to buy fair and balanced ad items yknow
ok tbf his build path looks shit LMFAO
severe cairn
are you saying you don't like getting R'd for half your HP from ludens ravenous muramana sorc boots build path?
well okay that's one way to build him I guess
I gotta get back into playing Viktor
prisma ravine
nvm he does
Ye rn Galeforce is overtuned
Its also a problem that Yasuo doesnt have like
Actually good first items otherwise
prisma ravine
i loved when they said theyre making vex artillery and then said Neverrmind
Still mad about that
The concept they had was so sick
And then they fucked it up
Though not as mad as what they did to Bel'Veth
wheat notch
idc about concept i just wanted a modern artillery
prisma ravine
True!
But yeah Bel'Veth I will forever be mad about
They took the sickest visual concept, a Void Manta Ray, that may as well have been made for me specifically
And they slap on a thematically disconnected kit that also sucks to play
wheat notch
d3 now, having a really nice time i think
i love having dedicated most of my time to a non soloq oriented champ
meaning i have no control over a game if my team doesnt match my performance
prisma ravine
Man I feel like these got worse as time went on
No explanation as to why they kept Galeforce at all, only that they kept it a mythic because its active effect meant it has to be a mythic
Eclipse is still a bruiser items and assassins still only have 2 mythics because 🤷
Oh ... thats funny
The guy who worked on assassin items literally switched teams to TFT the moment he was done with that
wheat notch
This is the most soulcrushing comp I've ever seen
the fact I even had to see it tilts me
bless dodging
prisma ravine
True!(xy)
sullen crystal
why does yas ult put him behind you
love my E doing nothing because he just gets a free reposition
actual brainlet character holy shit
ult has like a 1 second cooldown too thanks game
sullen crystal
it's fucking dumb
also love that he can take bone plating too
🙃
I'm having a lot of fun
prisma ravine
What champ are you on?
sullen crystal
0/5 on panth might as well uninstall rn honestly
and their pyke came to gank me lol
eternal palm
Pyke and roaming mid
Also surprised you didn’t smash him
Or did you get ganked early making the lane unplayable
dim kindle
why does yas ult put him behind you
that just basically always used to be the standard for all teleport on enemy targeted abilities
until they let ppl choose where on the enemy like kat and yi etc
but i thought yas can pick too unless the mouse is not on target
dapper kite
yeah
dim kindle
is that not how it works?
dapper kite
i think it also prioritized to put you out of tower range
but im not sure on that one
dim kindle
ye it does 100%
with towers
but can u not pick where on target with ur mouse like kat e?
i thought u can lol
dapper kite
yeah
prisma ravine
that just basically always used to be the standard for all teleport on enemy tar...
Eh, not all of them
prisma ravine
i thought u can lol
Gimme a sec, checking
... no you cant
Weird
I swear you could before
... wait
This cant be real
Oh my god this is the dumbest unmentioned mechanic Ive ever seen
So the answer, as it turns out is
"No you cant, except for when you can"
It always teleports you behidn the target
Unless theyre under a turret
At which point it will teleport you to a position where you are not hit by the turret, if possible
prisma ravine
Posted above
sullen crystal
maybe I'm dog at the game but yasuo feels fucking awful to play against again
prisma ravine
Eh, he is hated by a fair few
Granted, less the higher you get, but thats mostly because his weaknesses are easier to exploit at a higher level
sullen crystal
idk man he just gets like 1000 attack speed, has crits
does way too much damage
gets a shield + bone plating
dashes 4000 times
like I'm doing a scrubquotes right now but it genuinely is making me hate mid
and he gets galeforce like ok
severe cairn
and he gets galeforce like ok
it's a matchup thing, if you play any of the 5 champions he can't beat it's genuinely the most fun you can have in lane
sullen crystal
i'm currently coping by just copying random things as neeko
prisma ravine
The thing with Yasuo is
His weakness are easily exploited at a high level
Which makes him historically not very good
Riot even said before that he is intentionally kept a bit weaker than he maybe should be
humble glacier
i just spent the day playing the most stressful games of my life
and then i realized
my journey wasnt done when i hit 100 lp cuz promos exist
fuck
me
humble glacier
what is happening to the lcs? i saw like 1 headline about something but i didnt care enough to investigate
sinful frost
LCS has a minor league, NACL
major teams used to be required to have NACL teams
but they lobbied Riot to drop that requirement, citing cost issues
Riot dropped the requirement
lots of NACL teams were dropped, causing lots of staff and players to lose their jobs
the player's union has instituted a walkout to protest and make demands
with the LCS coming up soon, Riot has released a statement basically conceding nothing
prisma ravine
And saying that they might just cancel the summer LCS season, in which case NA doesnt go to worlds too
sinful frost
here's basically their list of demands
- Institute "VALORANT Style" promotion and relegation between the LCS and NACL
- Riot commit to a revenue pool for player salaries of $300k per NACL team per year
- Allow LCS orgs to partner with affiliates for cost-sharing
- Riot guarantees LCS minimum contracts for the following year for the 5 players who win the LCS summer finals each year
- Institute a 3/5's roster continuity rule to provide players on released NACL rosters 1st priority in maintaining their slots in the upcoming NACL season if a majority continue to compete together
as usual they are overdemanding for leverage
Riot has only conceded LCS orgs partnering with affiliates for cost-sharing
sinful frost
the primary complaint of the LCSPA is that Riot has claimed they would communicate with the players throughout this whole process
but has instead basically acted unilaterally on everythiing
humble glacier
who?
prisma ravine
Viktor
Hes back to being a Doom expy without the things that make Doom fun (Again)
Even got a Doom mask for a bit because I guess subtlety is overrated
humble glacier
my journey wasnt done when i hit 100 lp cuz promos exist
unrelated, though, i hit the rank i normally hit and now i have no motivation to play
ah
severe cairn
Hes back to being a Doom expy without the things that make Doom fun (Again)
oh I thought you meant Doom as in the game series lol
prisma ravine
Nah, Doom like Dr. Doom
dim kindle
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wait i saw this but I thought it wasnt official
prisma ravine
wait i saw this but I thought it wasnt official
It is
wheat notch
plays 1 support game
night marsh
wheat notch
anyways they fucked up with milio didnt they
i went 0/3/10 and they gave me a B
tbf my vision score was ASS
wheat notch
I should really trust my gut about dodges actually
not sure why I sat this one out
Now I lost 27 LP! Oh well.
humble glacier
plays 1 support game
did u say u were a girl?
'
and yeah
milio passive doesnt proc any of his items
I wanted to play Night Harvester Milio mid but it doesnt work ;-;
wheat notch
did u say u were a girl?
'
it doesnt matter anyways
if they got weird id just block em and move on
prisma ravine
@bold stirrup so for context
Vis old E was called "Excessive Force" and her ult "Assault and Battery"
One of her voicelines (which she still has) is "Come on! Resist arrest already!"
She hasnt aged very well, because her entire original character boils down to
"Haha police brutality"
bold stirrup
wait h u h
that's the complete opposite direction wtf
oh they renamed it after George Floyd
that's so freaking late wtf
prisma ravine
Wait, lemme check the dates rq
... its worse
It was late 2021
So actually a year after
bold stirrup
I knew they redesigned a lot of the characters visually so that they weren't caricatures and were actual characters, particularly reducing fanservice/male gaze, but I didn't know about this
prisma ravine
Yeaaah
Granted theyve been rewriting a lot, but its still not great
League has had issues with this kinda stuff a fair bit
And other issues like them constantly butchering my favourite character wtf Riot
bold stirrup
who is your favorite? I'm guessing it's not someone I've heard of (but at the same time, I feel like I'm not going to be surprised)
bold stirrup
oh NICE
...oh right, he's kinda just "THE MECHANICAL REVOLUTION" in current lore isn't he
prisma ravine
That wouldnt be a big issue
Its the fact that they keep regressing him to a saturday morning cartoon villain
A doom expy without the parts that make Doom charming
Which especially sucks because he wasnt supposed to be that (well, at least not literally), and he actually had a slice where he was really well written
But they just keep stepping back
And its bothering me to no end
Hes supposed to be an extreme altruist who values human life more than free will (in specific places), and who views the cult surrounding him as an annoying abberation he wants nothing to do with, but now he is back to being a mass-murdering cult leader because idk
Like these are just not Viktor
slim terrace
why'd they make him look like doctor doom
prisma ravine
Because subtlety is overrated and they want him to just be a doom expy
slim terrace
time to look towards arcane season 2 soon copium
prisma ravine
I really
REALLY
Hope they handle him better there
If nothing else just out of fear of pissing off the Viktor stans on twitter
Who I am pretty sure have significant overlap with KPop twitter
Time to use their evil for good
slim terrace
I'm confident in them after s1
slim terrace
lul
dapper kite
dapper kite
night marsh
it's funny cause in the lore aatrox murked panth
dim kindle
insta oneshot
prisma ravine
Oh is the new patch out?
slim terrace
if it is I can't wait to try new rell
severe cairn
played against asol
he's still broken conceptually
played against jhin
stormrazor galeforce still broken
oh and none of my teammates understood the buff sharing system
prisma ravine
Ok early observation
I dont think Ghostblade is playable on any champ
Rengar is its best user, but IE looks to be much better as a mythic, with an ER/Stormrazor into the other into IE build
Duskblade is still generally bad on assassins, but is the least bad option on a couple (yay)
prisma ravine
At the same time Duskblade is actually busted on a few non-assassins
humble glacier
Then buff share, exactly like how ivern did it happens
severe cairn
yeah but they never walked over the buff
prisma ravine
Graves is probably the best duskblade user now (lmao)
Basically riot failed on every level with the assasin items
prisma ravine
Mage items are fine
Old protobelt was also the most overhyped item ever
But realistically
Were gonna be rid of mythics by the end of the year
humble glacier
Old protobelt gave me waveclear ;-;
Tbh that might be true
I could def see riot dropping it like they dropped role queue and idk what else
prisma ravine
Uh, isnt the new rocketbelt just as useful for waveclear?
humble glacier
No
prisma ravine
I dont recall the CD being lower
humble glacier
Old rocket belt killed minions new one doesnt
At all
Because the missiles on old rocket belt stacked dmg
prisma ravine
Oh the new ones dont?
humble glacier
While with the new one they only take dmg from 1 missile
humble glacier
The others do nothing even if they hit
prisma ravine
But yeah mythics are just a mess
So I think theyll scrap them
Especially with how uneven they are
Bruisers have 5 mythics, ADCs have 4 mythics, Assassins have 2 mythics
And I doubt Riot wants to make 3 more mythics for assassins with how badly theyre struggling with the 2 they already have
humble glacier
6 AP mythics and I don't think night harvester, or riftmaker see play
Maybe night harvester on certain chars
But most of those can also opt for protobelt
prisma ravine
Riftmaker is like
3 champs tops
No wait, Kayle has Rageblade now
Harvester sees play tho
Its standard on Elise, Nid and Rumble
Occasionally Gragas takes it
Also oof, Kaisa was hit hard
Her best build is full crit garbage again probably
Fingers crossed the 13.12 changes to her evo mechanic save her cool build
humble glacier
The fact that they nerfed stormrazor and then said "Kaisa" uses it so we're gonna fix her just feels like Kaisa got special treatment
prisma ravine
The problem is that the nerf affects her specifically more than others
Kaisas passive means she needs a specific build to work, and rn the build people want to work doesnt
Riot just wants Kaisa to be able to build in interesting ways without throwing the game again
And given that Kaisa was forced to build the most unimaginably boring build for a year+, I think its fine to give her fun builds a boost
humble glacier
i do understand that but was whatever stormrazor build the literal only build that worked for her or was it just the most popular way of getting q evo the fastest
either way is kinda problematic tbh,
the former because yeah, shes forced to build the most unimaginably bland thing every game,
the latter because if it was just the most popular way, and there are other ways that work shoudnt kaisa players look into those vs running to a monolithic build and acting like the world is over when it get hit
*the build gets hit
prisma ravine
The former, ish
Thats a problem she always kinda had, her breakpoints mean you need specific items first and second
Granted, she makes up for that by having the most diversity in items 3-5 but
wheat notch
Then buff share, exactly like how ivern did it happens
it was unrelated to smite, ivern shared if he was lv6+
chilly ivy
from what i heard from my friends, ppl are incredibly confused with the change
can't see for myself cause i'm taking a break atm
probably best for me to avoid tilting situations atm
wheat notch
it was unrelated to smite, ivern shared if he was lv6+
but now it's on upgraded smite ye
chilly ivy
say, look at my lithuanian friend that spends at least 6-8 hours a day playing lol post this
he thought it was a bug lol
wheat notch
ppl don't read patch notes it is known
chilly ivy
it doesn't help that they guy used to play ygo
so reading comprehension is out of the window
prisma ravine
Ok so I checked something
Duskblades untargetability is not broken by channeled ults like MF and Samira
So Duskblade MF is turbo-busted
prisma ravine
Played a game of duskblade MF And yeah
Turbo-busted
They need to rework it again lmao
wheat notch
wheat notch
Played a game of duskblade MF And yeah
try db samira 😀😀
wheat notch
bad taste
prisma ravine
Its just funny to me that Riot keeps screwing up assassin items by making them way better on non-assassins
MF is nostalgic for me
She was one of my first mains
In part because she reminded of a hero from another MOBA I played before league
night marsh
New rell is dope
wheat notch
slim terrace
tfw first game rell and my team decides to make the game unplayable 
maybe we could've come back from a deficit but jax decided to int hard into renekton and graves ignored the whole team to farm
prisma ravine
That Renekton didnt get the memo smh
severe cairn
another patch, another week added to the tally
of Gwen not getting a skin for almost 2 years rofl
holy
we are 6 months away from officially 2 years with no Gwen skin
w h at
night marsh
severe cairn
should I get Galaxy Slayer Zed or Project Yi
slim terrace
wait gwen isn't even an unpopular champ is she 
also holy shit that music skin line was 2 years ago?
severe cairn
I
uh
so
uh
uhm
guess I main riven now?
HUH?
I can now hit the griddy in top river
prisma ravine
Dragon Trainer Trist is a really good one ngl
dim kindle
should I get Galaxy Slayer Zed or Project Yi
zed for sure
yi has better skins
and galaxy slayer is one of the best in the game
wheat notch
Insane to me how weak these ppl's mental is
severe cairn
oh yeah btw have you guys had an issue where
after every league game it'd say your session has expired and to log back in
eternal palm
Nope, that sounds like a router issue
severe cairn
is anyone else getting this
slim terrace
yeah I'm getting that too
sullen crystal
sigh i forgot camille was in the game
this is going to be miserable
I love when you're very behind and the enemy jgl; comes and camps you
like the plan to tilt someone out of the game is clearly there and it's not not working right now
but man I hate it
night marsh
@severe cairn supposedly Gwen is getting a skin the next patch
Was said by a leaker who is “reliable”
gray sandal
he meant next patch in 2024
severe cairn
<@291063973971755008> supposedly Gwen is getting a skin the next patch
hah
eternal palm
wheat notch
<@265960037552357376> thats mad cope right?
I'm not as good as Ls bro
This isn't meant to be like a joke I genuinely am not that good at the game and Ziggs is like fine lol I can agree with the part of Z-tier where he says you can blind pick it into nearly everything and even if you get clapped by a Galio you're still "the" tower destroyer and have some utility
prisma ravine
I mean, youre good enough where I think you can say if Ziggs is good enough to blind picked into anything
Granted I just like making fun of LS, because these tier lists are always way off
wheat notch
I mean, youre good enough where I think you can say if Ziggs is good enough to b...
I mean, I've blind picked Ziggs every game and done fine I think 
of course he has shit matchups but they're not guaranteed losses if you have hands, smthg I don't have because my brain shits itself into Akshan and co.
wheat notch
~~Granted I just like making fun of LS, because these tier lists are *always* wa...
also thumbnail says proplay
prisma ravine
Proplay isnt radically different in terms of champ power tbh
wheat notch
I wouldn't dare play Swain in soloq
prisma ravine
With a couple exceptions like old Tahm and Ryze
wheat notch
he's a completely different creature in coordinated imo
prisma ravine
I still find it funny that in his last "tier list"
He put Katarina as S-tier in pro play, and above like Viktor and Azir iirc
dapper kite
specifically as a counter to certain champs, no?
not just "blind pick and win"
wheat notch
he's a completely different creature in coordinated imo
Ziggs feels the same way but you need to build around him more? I have him permabanned against me, but even if he's open sometimes I grab Seraphine or Swain over him anyways because the utility they provide is better in my eyes.
dapper kite
i wouldnt know, i play neither pro play nor katarina
wheat notch
I still find it funny that in his last "tier list"
he ... didn't do that?
he also didn't call it a general pick he said it was a counter pick lmao
prisma ravine
Ah, I guess I misremembered
prisma ravine
Its still completely wrong, but less wrong at least
wheat notch
u don't know how wrong it u don't even play pro
prisma ravine
Again, she saw 0 picks like
prisma ravine
I think for 3 years
wheat notch
or out of their comfort zone
prisma ravine
Also he misunderstands why Katarina permaroams, which I think skewed his perception
And in turn why she can never be playable in pro
wheat notch
like if ziggs is a constant high tier champ in his lists all the time ud think hed get picked more
fuck they pick him in small leagues
but he's really rare and most often picked bot anyway what was like the last ziggs mid gamer
ik chovy did that shit
prisma ravine
Like the reason KAtarina permaroams is because her laningphase is turbo-ass, and roaming is the only way to get ahead
And guess what doesnt really work in pro play
wheat notch
her lane won't be turbo ass if she's only picked into certain matchups
wheat notch
I'm not saying pick her into a good lane
if it's not gonna literally 0/10 on game start asol mode ure probably gonna be fine
prisma ravine
Let me put it this way, in a level as optimised as pro play
Katarina is gonna be 50+ cs behind by 8-10 minutes
With 0 kills
But she also doesnt scale well, or have a lot of built-in power for the midgame
wheat notch
this isnt indicative of a lot. ovven.
when ls was talking about ivern mid he said that guy can go like -20cs roughly and still be "even" or "winning" the lane from the perspective of the ivern but I don't have the clip on hand rn
not every champ is "ur ideal gamestate is 30cs/min"
prisma ravine
Yeah thats why I mentioned she doesnt have a lot of built-in power for the midgame
All Kat has is damage, and her damage is mostly coming from items
prisma ravine
I mean that ties into her damage
But yeah Katarina is like one of the safest bets for "will never see pro play unless she gets changed a lot"
wheat notch
yeah and she has innately more damage than other champs because of resets
clearly it was patch specific considering he put her in DON'T this tierlist
sunderer was prob still the build, then?
bc legit kata could go 0.4 and finish sunderet and be immediately fucked
prisma ravine
Sunderer is a better build now than it was then tbh
wheat notch
well the surrounding champs have also gotten better
points at lost chapter etc. etc.
prisma ravine
I think he just misjudged katarina horribly and course corrected
Also tbh Sunderer Kat isnt very good
Except into ap-heavy matchups
wheat notch
well. then he would tell u to have picked it into those matchups
ykno. like he specified her not being a general pick
prisma ravine
Again, only in solo Q
wheat notch
prisma ravine
The reason she is good into ap-heavy matchups in solo Q is because Wits end is crazy good as a second item
You dont get to that point in pro
wheat notch
u dont know that
prisma ravine
Eh, you kinda do, because thats how kat sadly always works against good coordinated players
Anyway looking forward to the predictions being wrong again
On a sidenote, I wonder when theyll reveal the Kaisa changes for 13.12
wheat notch
Anyway looking forward to the predictions being wrong again <:nyaruhodo:87305699...
they're not predictions vro
dapper kite
i think ls is fully aware that this is not what pro play will look like
wheat notch
I'm sure ls would ""predict"" velkoz as a counter pick when most pros would rather do significantly better things with their lives than learn a mediocre, yet difficult, artillery just as a counter pick on this specific patch
he's j saying those champs are good
it does make me curious what the window is where velkoz is used as a counter pick
wheat notch
wow Mandate didn't last
to be fair that shits was broken
hope they delete K'Sante 🙏🙏🙏🙏
chilly ivy
orianna lost an "n"
sullen crystal
rell... jungle?
dapper kite
Yeah
S' the only other role where she can always have a partner for her e i suppose
And they gave her some monster damage
wheat notch
yeah they buffed her for jungle
wheat notch
rell... jungle?
Twitter
night marsh
Gangplank buffs with all the crit item buffs
chilly ivy
https://twitter.com/MoleculeLOL/status/1665891354868875264?t=z0PcjEmbM1OAQLl-m9j...
I'm almost sure that eq having uncapped dmg vs monsters is an oversight
It's the only ability in the game that doesn't have a cap
prisma ravine
Weird that ghostblade isn't getting a buff, and duskblade isn't getting a meaningful nerf
wheat notch
It's the only ability in the game that doesn't have a cap
veigar ult kid
chilly ivy
veigar ult kid
Veigar is missing hp, and can't target monsters
I'm confused why you're mentioning it
wheat notch
Not sure why they're nerfing Kha *now* either
he's 55%+ winrate in masters+ with a high pickrate along it bro
wheat notch
I'm confused why you're mentioning it
bc it was a bad joke ab veigar infinite scaling no cap
prisma ravine
He's not though
wheat notch
he's 55%+ winrate in masters+ with a high pickrate along it bro
ok this seemss like a constant nvm
prisma ravine
He's at 50.75%
prisma ravine
Ah, you don't know the problem with lolalytics
The way they measure rank is stupid
prisma ravine
Look in the top right, that, rather than 50%, is the baseline
Which for master+ is 54.3%
Still Ovven
But yeah that looks higher than it is because lolalytics is most silly
wheat notch
even then like
maintaining the same winrate you had before (referring to 13.7, bc he spikes in popularity from 13.8+), with literally multiple times the pickrate
a bit much i think !
wheat notch
~~Still Ovven~~
mb
prisma ravine
13.8 is the baseline since he got buffed there
severe cairn
ORIANNA BUFFS???
wheat notch
12k games 13.7
36k 13.8
48k 13.9
51k 13.10
15k rn
prisma ravine
Oh no he's popular and he is good if you use exactly duskblade
wheat notch
ive no doubt hes popular
prisma ravine
But the problem is duskblade needs a nerf for non-assassins anyway
And without duskblade he is just worse
severe cairn
Kha'Zix evolved W is cringe
wheat notch
im saying going from 12k to up to 51k games with an equally high winrate is maybe a bit absurd!
prisma ravine
Ghostblade is gutted, prowlers is a meh legendary
wheat notch
also his banrate is really high rn, deservedly
prisma ravine
Also no idea why Viktor is getting buffed
I'll take it
But he's like
Completely fine
wheat notch
also his banrate is really high rn, deservedly
so they probs dont want a champ staying at 50%+ banrate like that idk
in masters+
idk about lower elo
prisma ravine
Shame assassin items are still languishing
wheat notch
39% 13.9 and 15% 13.8
wheat notch
what ab samira
the bugfix is their ults would cancel the untargeting right
mid ult
wheat notch
that seems Significant
prisma ravine
For her that part matters way more than it does for MF
wheat notch
yeah we played vs Samira in clash and the second she triggered dusk once it was completely ovsr
still won doe 💪
wheat notch
so sad they're nerfing mandate but also not
prisma ravine
The damage up matters more
wheat notch
ah btw i think the vik buff might be compensation for mandate
there was some tech where u took w evo for slows to spam mandate
prisma ravine
Oh that builds back?
wheat notch
tbf the dmg is really silly
i had one early fight and it did 700 just that fight alone w 2 items
prisma ravine
My best guess its because he wasnt at MSI
prisma ravine
well the other answer can be Riot Likes Viktor :)
Looks at Riot butchering Viktors lore again
Im not sure they do
wheat notch
game guys are not related to lore guys
prisma ravine
True I suppose
wheat notch
https://youtu.be/1d-OQ_j8mfc
but yeah anyways i suddenly agree with ziggs being z tier this champ is so vroken 🔥🔥 (i went 0/3 in lane)
i think first strike sucked that game but ill need to recheck numbers
wheat notch
i think first strike sucked that game but ill need to recheck numbers
yeah this blows
well mmm gold is gold...
wheat notch
yeah but only at a stage when i dont need damage as much
wheat notch
but yeah anyways i suddenly agree with ziggs being z tier this champ is so vroke...
changed my mind this champ is dog . shit
tbf to my last game both teams had 2 smurfs except our smurfs boomed in champ select
so that was fun as they unironically ran it down mid :)
wheat notch
swag
wheat notch
so sad they're nerfing mandate but also not
arent these just buffs lol
ah wait no
idk the scalings
wheat notch
the damage is nerfed all around but the ms increased
hey hey hey its higher if you buy it before level 3
God today is maintenance day and I can't play ranked in the morning
zzzz
guess ill open a gacha
chilly ivy
well, what did i tell you
wheat notch
They want to drain me fucking dry
What the hell
I would hope my mmr wouldnt be dog ass for over 25 games played ? ?
slim terrace
https://twitter.com/RiotRaptorr/status/1666158810480918528?t=N9AUQkc9VDTvzG1V_3D...
even though there's some nerfs I like these changes
didn't she do ridiculous damage to baron cause of the missing cap lol
eternal palm
seems like solo q must have been a nightmare
night marsh
https://twitter.com/RiotRaptorr/status/1666158810480918528?t=N9AUQkc9VDTvzG1V_3D...
…..she didn’t have a cap before and they were forcing her jungle….?
wheat notch
yea they wanted her to work jg
night marsh
And no one thought an uncapped max hp ability was too good while they were making this?
dapper kite
she needs it 
wheat notch
And no one thought an uncapped max hp ability was too good while they were makin...
It might've been an oversight
wheat notch
It's Riot we're talking about.
sinful frost
I put that in there
I should try Rell out in the jungle again now that it's intended
severe cairn
I'm so tired of the Ori buffs
prisma ravine
We need 2 bans
wheat notch
I would still not ban Yasuo because I have better things to ban lol
I would currently ban, before Yasuo, Hecarim (current), Kha'zix, Rengar, Milio, Lucian, Zeri
minimum
K'Sante and Yuumi too
slim terrace
I need to learn tk or something to handle heca
not fun with my carry getting deleted
at least millio is getting nerfed soon
wheat notch
Feeling very unhappy with how well I'm performing while playing with First Strike
wheat notch
Good night.
wheat notch
samira is pretty fun actually ngl
slim terrace
I fuckin suck hard at her but she looks fun
wheat notch
????????????????????????????????????????????????????
night marsh
lol
dim kindle
failed promos?
wheat notch
failed promos?
yes
absolutely fucking abhorrent to neg 53 me
I only had a 60% wr for 35~ games I surely deserve to have completely dreadful mmr still
I lose promos, I'm matched in average Dia 1 elo which is where I'm at, and my mmr is still negative ?
chilly ivy
it do be like that sometimes
why am i being matched with literal children
i try to explain to vayne, that if she's 0/6 at 10 minutes and their turret is dead, you can solo farm under the second turret and lulu should roam
(vayne lulu are ofc premades)
their response?
"no"
fuck off
i had a 1/2/7 zyra in my lane since minute 10
just move
wheat notch
you lost 2 promos in a row i assume
that doesnt make it any less unreasonable
sinful frost
redistribution of ranks jumpscare
yo no more promotion series
very cool rito
dim kindle
im about to be an emerald kraken instead
dapper kite
Just played kha with e evolve for the first time and i am converted, this shit feels disgusting
wheat notch
Note to self I GOTTA dodge all Yuumi Zeri players on sight
Literally unplayable when our support decides to randomly roam and let the Zeri get full first tower bot ? ?
Really enjoying my -27 for this experience
dapper kite
Also, rell?
Kinda nasty champ, my god
wheat notch
she's always been
dapper kite
As someome whos played quite a bit of rell in the past, she feel twice as nasty now
The movespeed just completes the kit
sullen crystal
man I forgot how annoying akshan is
prisma ravine
W evolve is an old favourite of mine
But Q evolve or R evolve are optimal nowadays
E evolve is ... awkward in that its really good as your third evolve, but you never get to that point
slim terrace
rell finally has a good feeling kit
removing the severe ms penalty on dismount was huge and so was changing her E
eternal palm
But Q evolve or R evolve are optimal nowadays
W evolve is best if you’re looking to fight over early dragons imo
The damage is so stupid early game and the slow makes people think twice about moving forward