infinite stacking 
#League of Legends
wheat notch
w passive probs should be on passive but I'll figure it out I'm in no rush after all
prisma ravine
Yeah after all its never gonna be an actual champ
wheat notch
u dont know that
Anyways I just did it because I had the global dash come into the brain and I needed to write it out
prisma ravine
Short of us getting a Rivals of Aether moba, I do know that 
wheat notch
this sentence is incomprehensible to me sorry
oh ok i get it
nah i was makinng a joke about getting into riot 
wheat notch
well u see
if you knew the source material i took starsailimg from a korean webnovel turned webcomic
pathetic man
prisma ravine
Ah, nvm
wheat notch
also they made bard
smh
this little man would be closer to bard in design than actual korean prettyboy
considering normal people wouldn't be able to literally traverse the stars
prisma ravine
They made bard years ago
Modern Riot wouldnt
God I hate how they removed the omnivamp from Eclipse to "make it a better assassin item" and its even more bruiser-bound than it was before
wheat notch
Modern Riot wouldnt
belveth
prisma ravine
God why does Syndras E still rubberband so badly
prisma ravine
I might just get the ranked rewards for this season and never play it again ngl
chilly ivy
but rather simple
Sometimes simple is good
No need to overcomplicate
I kinda like, that, considering how many champions are there, they actually managed to make a simple champion while also giving him a specific niche
wheat notch
God checked new ZiggsMains for smthg
forgot we had some pest raid us and even bring Max fucking Waldo in to argue about Dark Harvest
wild
he was shitting on aery 
dim kindle
Sometimes simple is good
yeah didnt mean it as a bad thing
dim kindle
something is severly wrong this season
with the removal of smurf queue and their replacment systems there is litteraly such an in insane difference between shown rank and actual mmr on every player
and ppl randomly get tossed into high elo games after going on a small winstreak
its absolutely wild
idk what the hell is going on but they gotta fix it
dim kindle
maybe na server pop is also playing into it somehow
severe cairn
removal of smurf queue?
wheat notch
Yeah they just put a gold 4 elo player with high plat players if his mmr is high enough
severe cairn
has that always been a thing
wheat notch
Yes
Well besides Challenger which had no duoq but idk how its there now they mightve added it back
severe cairn
I think the cutoff is Masters for that
severe cairn
crazy how duo is even needed in higher elo
eternal palm
Tbf, when you have so many team dynamics that rely on communication, it’s the only way to actually improve
How can you be a competent duo not without being able to actually play together
How can you develop mid/jungle or support/jungle synergy without duoing
wheat notch
finally back in plat 1
slim terrace
real gold card bot hours
only other ap champ I can think of that can build that is bard but bard can build basically every item in the game
cursive falcon
what's a champion that doesn't rely much on good positioning/movement? My mouse is a bit sluggish to move so I can't do adc reliably
severe cairn
that's a problem since one of the core tenets of good League play is positioning
obviously you can function without it if you have insane macro
a tank would probably be worth considering
positioning doesn't matter since you're only there to either tank damage or use your really big, explosive ultimates to impact the fight
I'd recommend Malphite
as long as you know the best times to ult and use your CC you'll be good
humble glacier
what's a champion that doesn't rely much on good positioning/movement? My mouse ...
Yuumi 🙂
dim kindle
Man I dont like that Rapidfire is a standard buy for TF
statistically lichbane 2nd actually does pretty well I believe
if you want to just avoid rapidfire
its a snowball item tho so we get some skew there
slim terrace
what's a champion that doesn't rely much on good positioning/movement? My mouse ...
I'd also just say get a new mouse tbh
I can think of a number of $10 mouses that should treat you perfectly fine
dim kindle
id say warwick
chilly ivy
this is practically the full milio leak ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juKTAlLdOcY||
we didn't know passive before iirc
dim kindle
its such a good allrounder kit
chilly ivy
Also I fear what Caitlyn milio/trist milio could become
yeah that sounds like a good combo
although from what i can see, the ball that increases the range moves quite slow, so if you use mobility to get away it should be fine
i expect it to have like a
20 sec cd?
ofc, it's all speculation before we see numbers
dim kindle
to be fair milo cait also sounds extremely fragile to all in
chilly ivy
i suspect that if the q does decent damage, they can burst a person fast
chilly ivy
1 damage spell sounds a bit lacking for that, but gl
dim kindle
didnt ever stop karma
wheat notch
bard gaming
chilly ivy
karma has 2
i could see W and E being annoying to deal with
i'd argue bard has 2 too, but ig milio has W
dapper kite
i will try him top first
dim kindle
counting karma w as a damage spell is very generous
does milos passive also give him damage
chilly ivy
we don't know if it's ally only
i'd assume he doesn't cause it might be a bit weird with his q
dim kindle
it says allies but
chilly ivy
q being a skillshot would make him touch immediatelly on cast
does that imply he always procs it with q?
the leak where the q is the most clear
he ults the same time q hits and i think it procs
so ig he can apply passive to himself
but i can't say if q procs it on himself
ofc this all assumes it works like nami q and her passive
prisma ravine
Does Namis ult speed her up?
chilly ivy
iirc yes
doesn't it start a little behind her?
lemme boot up the client
it applies it
and it does start a little behind her
if you flash to dodge it immediatelly and then step in it later, it still applies
severe cairn
I just realized that Milio, the new champ, is Spanish
and his Q is "Ultra Mega Fire Kick"
his Q is soccer
prisma ravine
Yasuo is kinda fun
dim kindle
I just realized that Milio, the new champ, is Spanish
the region he is from is inspired by native latin american stuff
prisma ravine
the region he is from is inspired by native latin american stuff
Specifically mesoamerican
Also yeah, emote is football themed
Ult cant selfcleanse
slim terrace
that aoe mikael's is gonna be bonkers into the right team
prisma ravine
Looks like a solid design to me
slim terrace
I can't wait to play this guy
prisma ravine
It does have an actual weakness
That being if Milio is CCd, you cant use it
But yeha its kinda nuts
slim terrace
I can't wait to see clips of something like 4 man lillia ult into 4 man milio ult
his heal being a reverse viktor ult sounds really fun too
dim kindle
i like it too
severe cairn
yeah he looks fun
one small problem though and it's nothing but but man this skin sucks
wheat notch
cgz oomfie
slim terrace
also good zoe aram game
wheat notch
Waiting for my losstreak to start aaaanyyy minute now
wheat notch
I can practically taste it 🥹
eternal palm
10 games, 10 unique champions pog
prisma ravine
Yeah thats how ARAM works
eternal palm
Oh didn’t realize they were majority arams
I thought Komi was flexing his versatility
wheat notch
Waiting for my losstreak to start aaaanyyy minute now
It was bound to happen eventually 😮💨
Must be nice to have a smurf support carry the team
dim kindle
i feel like i know fufufighter
wheat notch
Aren't you NA, though?
wheat notch
Ohh okay
dim kindle
feel like i used to play with that person but cant remember the contex
wheat notch
i am no longer balling chat
eternal palm
How did you guys lose that Xayah game? Go and veigar got too big?
wheat notch
i am no longer balling chat
It's ok actually I faced the Lissandra from last game and fucking BALLED on her
prisma ravine
Werent the mythic skins supposed to change theme?
Though at least this one actually kinda slaps
severe cairn
the new riven skin sucks lol
the emotes are good but the rest of the skin is very yucky
and it's such a sad trend that they're actively trying less to make the skins pop because I really like the concept of the skin
castlevania is one of my favorite things
but dawnbringer is just so much better
chilly ivy
uh
xD?
hi imma give olaf ult to everyone for 3 secs, k?
ik not everyone will itemize like that, but holy the spell is powerfull
also the ult cleanses morde ult on you, and if someone is eaten by tahm
the ball explosion has a big ratio too, so ig he's very mid viable
sullen crystal
oh yeah should have posted that too oops
dim kindle
looks like new yuumi is already a menace
prisma ravine
Huh, that healing is very little
prisma ravine
looks like new yuumi is already a menace
How so?
dim kindle
just laned with it and the numbers just really feel way too high
the trading is way too oppressive
will have to see though
think milos q is eating a lot of power budget
prisma ravine
I think its the ult moreso
And yeah its possible Yuumi is overtuned, though early numbers suggest she might not be
Well have to see
prisma ravine
At this point lowering its duration would mean figuring out where you can buff his kit otherwise
wheat notch
I don't care dude
chilly ivy
I just want it to not be a wall and be a wind swipe
wheat notch
Deleting my champion for 4 seconds is much longer than most CC in the game
lmfao
and I don't exactly buy tenacity to un-windwall myself
chilly ivy
ziggs has a 10 second snare cause ppl avoid minefields
prisma ravine
I just want it to not be a wall and be a wind swipe
Like Samira?
Doable, I do actually think that would be cooler
But I have no idea how you compensate for that
wheat notch
You Don't
prisma ravine
They're already keeping Yasuo, by their own admission, weaker than he should be
They're not gonna make one of their moneymakers unplayable
Nor should they make Yasuo unplayable tbqh
wheat notch
you act like cutting yasuos w duration by half will make them drop him
prisma ravine
It'll be a significant nerf
wheat notch
not a champ dropping one lmao
prisma ravine
And there is a limit to how weak Yasuo can be before people do, in fact, drop him
And Im not convinced halving his windwalls duration isnt going past that limit
wheat notch
his windwall isnt the biggest reason people play him anyway
prisma ravine
That makes fighting any ranged champ a nightmare
wheat notch
the nightmare
of dashing through 3 minions
and negating their damage fro 4 seconds
before dashing back
surely!
prisma ravine
I mean in lane youre supposed to just abuse the hell out of him
Windwall has a long cooldown
And your autos cannot be dodged
wheat notch
You mean
the champion that can take resolve
has a broken passive
and can start dshield, as well as start e, to beat me up in lane already?
i cant beat a yasuo level 1
with a ranged carry
if he has
a braincell bouncing in there
or level 2 onward
my autos dont match the power of a fighters im sorry to say
prisma ravine
Yasuos worst matchups across the boards are mages
Maybe not Ziggs since Ziggs is weak
But Ori or Viktor for example? Yeah no the lane sucks hard for Yasuo, he gets bullied out immediately
chilly ivy
That's because mages delete the minigame of getting fucked in lane by shoving the lane by spamming spells
wheat notch
ziggs is at his best in the early game babygirl
if he does nothing in lane he is not gonna be a champ for most of the rest of the game
prisma ravine
That's because mages delete the minigame of getting fucked in lane by shoving th...
Surprisingly no, since neither Viktor nor Ori are as good at that as Ziggs is
Or like a bunch of assassins actually
Its because Yasuo cannot deal with getting autod every time he tries to CS
chilly ivy
All 3 you mention can farm from significant range
prisma ravine
They can, thats not how you play the lane though
wheat notch
Its because Yasuo cannot deal with getting autod every time he tries to CS
i literally did this just now btw
prisma ravine
The way you play the lane is you bully Yasuo over and over
prisma ravine
Especially after D-shield was just nerfed
Im pretty sure its now functionally unplayable on Yasuo?
chilly ivy
Ngl, everytime i lane vs yasuo it's practically unbeatable, any champ i play simply can't poke him out and i just run out of mana before he runs out of health, even if i hit most shit
prisma ravine
Either you play champs that are poor into Yasuo
chilly ivy
That's not even taking into account that if he dashes to my casters you lose 50percent hp
prisma ravine
You'd be wrong
chilly ivy
The only champ that I'm semi good vs yasuo is asol, because his whole kit is just fuck wind wall
prisma ravine
Ori is usually up xp and up cs
She is down gold because Yasuo can kill early, Ori cannot
wheat notch
stat jumpscare
prisma ravine
Thats ... Yasuo having 1.9 cs less at 15 minutes on average I assume?
wheat notch
Orianna.
prisma ravine
Also their curves are roughly the same, I think Yasuo actually is slightly stronger in the very lategame
dim kindle
Popular suggestion for yasuo windwall back in the day was to give him like 2 charges of it but make it way shorter
prisma ravine
... you assumed - was an advantage for Yasuo?
wheat notch
im tilted from a bad game
dim kindle
viktor deals with yasuo fine
wheat notch
anywya
prisma ravine
Fair
wheat notch
yas has a lead everywhere at 15 mins vs vik
dim kindle
the problem for viktor is more the jgl match up
prisma ravine
Yeah Viktor's midgame is worse
Hence why at 15 minutes
Its a bit favoured for Yasuo
dim kindle
well its because you need to side lane
dim kindle
and in side lane you get issues
prisma ravine
But you tend to get your full evo at ... 19 minutes?
Thats when Vik overtakes again
Yeah early game Viktor beats Yasuo easily
Its in the midgame where Yasuo cna somewhat equalise
dim kindle
in the longer lane yasuo has a way easier time finding a moment to get you
prisma ravine
Think of Viktors powercurve as an upside down bell curve
dim kindle
and you are way more vulnerable to flanks
prisma ravine
Starts high, goes low, goes back up high
dim kindle
so when you need to go side thats when it gets tricky especially with certain junglers that just outplay button you
then later when you go back to mostly grouping you are gucci and heavily outperform yasuo
prisma ravine
He's strong in the early game because Q is an absurd spell
Gets weak in the midgame because it falls off without the evos
Gets strong again because the evos push it back the other way
Its part of why he is a bit more niche in pro play than in solo Q
wheat notch
Ah right I rewatched the replay
prisma ravine
Popular suggestion for yasuo windwall back in the day was to give him like 2 cha...
I believe Riot looked into that and said that it was more frustrating
prisma ravine
That'd do it
wheat notch
realistically
i dont think that mattered as much as i make it seem
but i dont feel like vod reviewing
wheat notch
yk for a smurf
he didnt do all that well
totally didnt get carried by my teammates trustge
561ap for fullbuild (without rabs tbf) felt awful
maybe i play more ap in runes
prisma ravine
Well, thats what Rabadons is for
Funny enough, I think selling Mejais for Rabadons would be correct here
wheat notch
didnt have money
buying void was overkill
bought it 3rd bc i anticipated more mr than
mercs on akshan and rakans mytrhic
severe cairn
I love Irelia
wheat notch
Demoted again ?! say it ain't so
is this what they mean w hard stuck
I think I've reached and left this rank like 5+ times now
not even like I can't hold my own weight
wheat notch
and I went -1LP instead
sad too because this yasuo was so much worse than the one that kicked my ass
doesnt really matter in face of a yi who gets fed, though.
slim terrace
I don't really watch na lcs but all these c9 threads make me wanna check out their games cause of how much people hype up emenes alone
idk if he'll get gapped internationally, but it sounds like he's gapping other LCS mids
eternal palm
I can’t wait to run it down
Clash is the one thing that actually excites me in league
dapper kite
45 min now btw
prisma ravine
I have yet to play Clash
dapper kite
our match starting soon hot 0 and then began to go up again
eternal palm
I have yet to play Clash <:pensivecowboybread:737367263635570688>
Like ever?
eternal palm
That’s a shame. Idt anything can recreate the feeling of clash
dapper kite
our match starting soon hot 0 and then began to go up again
this happened again
it is at 15 minutes and counting rn
we got an auto bye cause we couldnt reach the other team
and the next game is a bye
2:1 lets goooo
night marsh
what was the point of reworking yuumi if you were going to make her stronger/more oprresive overall lol
don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend, just delete the attach mechanic
prisma ravine
The point was to make her braindead so she isn't pro-bound anymore, and increase counterplay by making her lane matter and make it so she gets a lot weaker if you blow up her partner
night marsh
she wasn't solo pro-bound
wheat notch
don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend, just delete the attach mech...
but think of the new players !
night marsh
she still had an insanely high pickrate+banrate pre rework
also the increasing lane counterplay thing is artifical since she makes whoever she's on unkillable with her new ult lol
prisma ravine
Depends on which point, immediately pre-rework she had average banrate and like 3% pickrate
But even when she was popular in Solo Q, almost no one could succeed with her
Which is the opposite of what they wanted
night marsh
like at what point do you not just sit down and realize the champion is a failure
night marsh
the q is still busted
prisma ravine
I find new Yuumi to be much less problematic
night marsh
and honestly better than pre rework
prisma ravine
Q is so much easier to dodge
night marsh
pre rework did more damage but new one is longer and shorter cd
which leads to you being able to check shit safer
prisma ravine
And much easier to avoid
night marsh
it's really not that hard to miss
prisma ravine
Old one was basically unavoidable unless you were surrounded by minions
New one is pretty avoidable once you figure out how it works
Especially in lane
Numbers might be wack
And some of the new kits parts are kinda eh
But the direction makes sense
Granted she is also now boring as hell to play, but that seems to be what Riot wants so 🤷
night marsh
play wise, she feels the same
if anything I like playing her alot more now than before
chilly ivy
As long as yuumi takes no damage while attached, she's unsalvageable
prisma ravine
Nah, she is way less interesting
night marsh
since now you legitmately do not need to get off anymore
chilly ivy
At least imo
prisma ravine
You dont even hop off anymore
night marsh
yeah that's the best part
prisma ravine
To me thats boring
night marsh
r is impossible to miss now
prisma ravine
I liked hopping off
night marsh
e is just hella overtuned
prisma ravine
As long as yuumi takes no damage while attached, she's unsalvageable
Yeah Im not convinced by that tbh
night marsh
champ plays itself
and I agree solar
as long as she has her current w
she will never be balanced
prisma ravine
If anything if she did take damage while attached, she'd be unsalvageable
Because that requires overtuning her to the point where always being a 2 for 1 doesnt kill her
And at that point she just becomes a champ for duo boosters
chilly ivy
Yeah Im not convinced by that tbh
I take it from experience since mina in dawngate was ok to play against, but no one here played that game besides me
prisma ravine
I mean, I played HotS for a while, where Abathur exists
chilly ivy
And she had actual incentive to hop off since the hop off did an aoe fear
prisma ravine
And Abathur is more extreme than Yuumi (can attach globally, and is never at any risk) and he was fine
chilly ivy
Idt abathur is comparable
prisma ravine
I mean, especially now, Id say he is
Pyke devblog
Kinda neat
And a rare case where I think the concept we did end up getting was the best one
wheat notch
speaking of yuumi
prisma ravine
1 million points is a lot, isnt it?
That guy is probably not too happy with the rework lmao
wheat notch
They're closing on 2 mil vro
prisma ravine
Yeah but 1 million is already a lot
wheat notch
whoa mama
wheat notch
Yeah but 1 million is already a lot <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
i have 1.6 i think
1.74
prisma ravine
Its a way to pull a low-tier god without triggering the chat filter
Still reportable though
wheat notch
I think it's pretty cool a 0/7 Olaf can run down a 6/1/5 Ziggs
wtf
Oh baby another demotion
Really well earned demotes I feel
1 bad game, to the bottomless pit with ye
dim kindle
I think new yuumi is balancable its just incredibly lame
eternal palm
Fuck man we threw so hard in clash yesterday
wheat notch
Syndra's stun does not need to last that long
What the hell
1200 range 1.25 sec stun on a burst mage ur out of ur mind
Did I just get 26 LP what the fuck?
slim terrace
one of my friends managed to find an actual iron 4 player in the wild yesterday
the annie kept using ult on waves and doing nothing
they were queued with top and jung so surprised they never said anything
wheat notch
probs just Haveing Fun
slim terrace
after seeing double digit deaths in most of their games with their d2 friend, not sure how much fun they're having
people have fun different ways but that seems pretty oof
dim kindle
yea kinda sucks to play with friends with too much skill disparity
wheat notch
i mean back when i was like
under 30 i squadded up with golds for the 200% IP bonus but i got shit on like eveyr single game
i dont think it felt all too bad tbh
prisma ravine
Wow these changes fucking suck
Nerfing Nashor for most of its current users (including Kata who is hard-bound to it) in a vain attempt to make Azir buy it (he wont)
Changing Vayne to force her into crit and remove one more on-hit champ from botlane (instead of just fixing on-hit)
Bloodline gets nerfs for ... reasons?
Talon mana buff is miniscule too, would've liked partial mana refund on Q
dim kindle
My thoughts are:
-Talon buff ok
-Nashor change is a bit weird (i expected them to add health to it, not haste) but UNOvven is right that the intent is most likely to hamfist azir into buying it which is a questionable design choice
-Vayne: Pushing her into q max kinda makes sense and I love the change that it runs out faster for better mobility usage. Taking some damage off later w ranks seems fair and makes her feel less like an inevitable problem, passive buff might make her a bit too cancer in top
-Lethal tempo should be nerfed but also for melee imo, bt and navori are also ok nerfs, bloodline is a very questionable nerf as the rune already kinda sucks
-I like dragons being nerfed but they shouldve maybe focused on the souls instead
-ADC ashe probably needs more than the 5%
prisma ravine
Idk if pushing Vayne into Q max makes sense
We want more build diversity in bot, not less
severe cairn
how is this a nerf for the people who already build nashor's?
dim kindle
some champs dont care that much about ability haste and would prefer not having to spend extra 200g
dim kindle
We want more build diversity in bot, not less
I dont think this makes her build crit
in fact im very confident it doesnt
prisma ravine
how is this a nerf for the people who already build nashor's?
Most of the current Nashor users care less about haste than the delay
Kat in particular, but also Gwen and Kayle
slim terrace
@prisma ravine okay I'm on the train, let's kneecap lee sin
night marsh
how is this a nerf for the people who already build nashor's?
200 extra gold for champs who didn’t really care about the extra ability haste seems like bad trade off
severe cairn
yeah that's fair
night marsh
For me for instance, Gwen has her power spike delayed an extra 200g now
severe cairn
for me I play a lot of diana so you really appreciate the extra ability haste
but yeah I understand why that's a bad thing for everyone else
dim kindle
its okay on diana but I wouldnt say it really makes the item better for her either
haste isnt bad on her but is she willing to trade 200 extra gold in every situation for it? dunno
on diana you are always competing with the burst build
end of season 12 we had the insanely strong tank diana build with sunfire demonic nashors
now on mid lane you could do roa nashors
rushing nashors on her in the jgl isnt bad thougg
severe cairn
yeah I've become a slave to diana jg
dim kindle
its really fun yeah
the tank build was incredibly fun
but its gotton nerfed like about 15 times in different ways now lol
dapper kite
Diana jgl clear speed is like crack cocaine when youve played a few games of mediocre jglers before that
Like switch from ww to diana and you feel like youre just cheating
dim kindle
i played shyv and diana end of last season with the overtuned tank build
about the same
tbh nashors demonic jaksho diana is prob still decent
dim kindle
warwick experience is basically he kills the top laner 8 times and then runs it down and still loses
at least for me
champ scales negative
just cheeses people who arent aware
dapper kite
ww is good early but after like 15 minutes youre an e and ult bot
unless youre 20 kills ahead
you can always pick him as a counter for morde top, since that matchup is almost completely unlooseable if you have any clue what youre doing
but outside of that it just feels so bad to play him
basically prayging every game that youre opponents have never read through his kit
dim kindle
i went like 0/8 as olaf vs warwick because i just wanted to test how cheesy it gets
and kept limit testing
and then i just won anyway
dapper kite
personally i found that i could not beat olaf in lane if they played ignite
dim kindle
oh yeah no i fucked up
dapper kite
cuase you need to bait that out in order to fight olaf as ww
dim kindle
i misplayed very badly level 2 and died
dapper kite
and in the process of baiting it out you loose your barrier 90% of the time
dim kindle
and after that I outplayed pretty much every single fight and still lost everytime
and it was kinda funny so i kept going
kinda inted ngl
its kinda crazy how unforgiving a lot of top match ups are
dapper kite
nature of the lane, innit
dim kindle
like you fuck up one trade get frozen on and the game is over until your jungler decides to help
dapper kite
very jungle dependent and very skill intensive
dim kindle
just very punishing yeah
like I usually do fine when I get filled top
i have a pretty good darius
but sometimes you get put vs some chinese fiora turbo smurf on na on his way to put his 12th account into grandmaster and that shit hurts lol
prisma ravine
<@117715672737251330> okay I'm on the train, let's kneecap lee sin
Finally you see the truth
slim terrace
I'm seeing more and more single people solo carrying games, which gives me hope that I can do the same if I get any good xd
a lee included, who got super fed then became a raid boss
and recently a syndra who I won lane against, then she started roaming and my teammates started ignoring mia pings
idk what I'm supposed to do vs a 13/6 syndra who literally 1 shots without ult
wheat notch
I'm seeing more and more single people solo carrying games, which gives me hope ...
WOO YEAH BABY THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT
!!!!!!
wheat notch
awooga
eternal palm
It might be time to start playing ranked, my entire champ pool is strong rn
wheat notch
chilly ivy
gl wint
wheat notch
I'm not playing today anymore
too tired
4 games, all taking a lot of effort outta me, are enough 
dim kindle
nicely done
time for me to clean up my gameplay so I can confidently queue on my main
dim kindle
and the 2 games on my main just make me not wanna touch the account anymore
lobbies i get into in that account are so unreal awful to play
wheat notch
😭
dim kindle
like every game same shit
no one is playing league everyone is playing call of duty death match ego tripping and i cant touch anything because i queued adc into a lobby like that
meanwhile on my other acc people are playing regular league
i give up
and on NA every 2nd game has a rengar booster on one of the teams that are absolutely awful to play with
actual just like copies of each other
all same ego same attitude on a fresh level 30-40 acc boosting
but honestly i also need to just not first pick stuff like twitch
cannot trust people to actually pick reasonably
slim terrace
no one is playing league everyone is playing call of duty death match ego trippi...
yeah playing adc with randoms who int is an actual death sentence rip
time to spam ezreal 
dim kindle
yeah no i think this is basically the absolutely wrong direction to support women in esports and im personally not gonna keep up with it
dim kindle
if you want to encourage women in esports stop making girls only teams and events as if women are somehow worse and need their own competition
and then dont host it in fucking bahrain
night marsh
I’m a siren
dim kindle
we are already seeing cases of actual high elo female players joining teams in leagues regularly and the system just needs to keep encouraging scouting these players and then let the natural shift in gaming continue as it already is
eternal palm
yeah playing adc with randoms who int is an actual death sentence rip
We could duo you know, I see you on sometimes during the rare times I’m on
dim kindle
im down for some norms or flex with ppl in this chat :p
dapper kite
yknow, sometimes you just gotta sit back and let yourself be carried
slim terrace
We could duo you know, I see you on sometimes during the rare times I’m on
sure but word of warning I'm not amazing lol
idk what rank you are
limber briar
Managed to snag the name Ojama King in NA
dim kindle
thats actually very pog
night marsh
im down for some norms or flex with ppl in this chat :p
bet 
eternal palm
<:disgust:368228560156229632>
Idek what the rest of their team comp was but seeing sion + gragas is already lol @ the fact he built that
night marsh
add me losers
Oviraptor
prisma ravine
Collector is just always wrong
And you should go Prowlers over Duskblade
Eclipse is a maybe
But if youre already ahead I think Prowlers is better
eternal palm
Eclipse is leaps and bounds better vs tankier comps, and I have 0 issue if you’re snowballing and prefer prowlers, collector’s is always shit though
dim kindle
half the time im vs samira they go shieldbow collector instead of ie
ppl are mad obsessed with collector
I mean maybe if you recall and you have enough gold to straight buy it maaaaybe but yikes
wow look at this
eternal palm
Yeah that’s disgusting
dim kindle
51% pick rate
eternal palm
Samira right?
dim kindle
collector 2nd
yes
people are whack
You know the absolute wildest itemization in solo q by far? hecarim builds
i swear hecarim players are drugged up
eternal palm
I mean hecarim has had so many builds in the last 3 years that at least I can kinda feel for hecarim players
Samira though?
Not much has changed
dim kindle
shes been shieldbow collector/lord dom for all of her existence until recent ie change
Im pretty sure a normalish bruiser build (but prob still manamune due to the cracked synergy with q spam) is so strong on hec but instead ppl want to build lethality
like idk manamune cleaver mythic deaths dance
not sure which mythic tbf maybe jaksho not bad
but nope these guys build manamune duskblade collector
and suicide bomb
wild stuff
eternal palm
Sounds like the normal solo q experience
dim kindle
like i dont even know how badly that champs stats are being dragged down by those builds lol
eternal palm
I actually didn’t know during clash, that J4 had gotten buffs. I’ve always built for tank/utility j4, but man, if I had just gone goredrinker BC into tank that game, we would have smashed
dim kindle
wait shojin is a thing
eternal palm
Instead we lost our last game due to a botched baron call, and we lost our 7k gold lead and got outscaled since we only had 1 damage source
dim kindle
shouldnt that be pretty good
Yeah they made his w a lot more powerful scaling with ad
eternal palm
For hec? Could be, but like shojin is almost always going to be a 4th item for most
eternal palm
Well full tank usually gets a lot of mileage for peeling purposes
But that game me and sett had to dive back line
And we didn’t have enough damage
dim kindle
Think j4 has almost always been better on bruiser ad/haste builds except for when tank items were just blatantly broken
like sunfire on 4 different occasions
but in coordinated play tank builds can be reasonable
eternal palm
Our draft was also just a mess, and I take full responsibility for it since I made the call
We drafted 3 engage into Xayah
eternal palm
Yeah, I should have made the call for syndra over sylas, since sylas couldn’t do anything that game
dim kindle
I was a big dummy
I was last pick
they had full engage naut j4 sion sylas i forgot which ad
and I picked APHELIIS
APHELIOS
LMAO
instead of xayah
i was super strong crushed lane 3 items ready to moon boy and then i never got to play the game again until we lost the game
big brain moment
oh it was annie not naut
eternal palm
Ouch, I would have rather vs the naut
dim kindle
annie is actually so annoying now man
i legit died one time because i put up my crescendum turret and she walked into it with her e shield
my turret shoots it
eternal palm
Yep, her flexibility is great, and she has amazing kill threat on like every Adc supp as supp
wheat notch
Glover Prime / Andlewkjl
are botha these NA
wheat notch
i swear hecarim players are drugged up
It's like, what, Duskblade -> Muaramana/Shojin -> Shojin/Muramana?
dim kindle
honestly ive seen it all
but id say most common especially the mains is manamune dusk ye
prisma ravine
Eclipse is leaps and bounds better vs tankier comps, and I have 0 issue if you’r...
Its better exactly when you dont think you can get to Seryldas soon enough
But if youre ahead, youre getting Seryldas soon enough
So Eclipse falls off too quickly on assassins, even on Kha
Also fwiw, Collectors is good on adcs
Its just only good on ADCs
On assassins its hard trolling
dim kindle
Honestly dont see why tri wouldnt be good hec i think ppl are just perma underrating tri force
on various champs
wheat notch
its mad expensive isnt it
Yeah it's 233 more gold than Duskblade, that sounds a bit costly when you kinda want an early spike, don't you?
prisma ravine
Its expensive and the AS is not useful for Hec
dim kindle
little bit of attackspeed is pretty good
to weave in autos between qs better
the champ isnt about e oneshotting anymore
they made his champ way more drawn out
its not a prio stat but a little bit of it is very strong
same as like darius
prisma ravine
Problem is you get enough AS for that by leveling
Sunderer is better
Tri just lost its niche
dim kindle
Nah ppl just think sunderer is always better
its not
the tri passive is a lot of damage in drawn out fights
prisma ravine
The situations in which Sunderer isnt better, another item is
dim kindle
would not say that necessarily
darius is strictly stride and tri
stride for obvious reasons and tri vs duelists that you cant just auto stat check win every fight
prisma ravine
Also Sunderers mythic passive is one of the absolute best
dim kindle
that is true yes
prisma ravine
I can believe Darius using Tri though
He has built in healing and no magic damage
But Heca has a decent chunk of magic damage
dim kindle
are botha these NA
yea i moved my acc to na cuz the ping is just too high for me to play eu unless i play yuumi lmao
tri on darius goes hard
some games you have to go stride
but when you dont tri does so much damage its wild
like actually silly
prisma ravine
But yeah Tris biggest issue is just that it lost its niche
Bruiser GP would use it, but that build is killed in favour of slot machine GP
Ezreal is using Reaver because going crit is actually better, which is fucked
Jax does hybrid damage so Sunderer
Wukong wants the heal so Sunderer
... I think Yorick uses Tri?
Eclipse
Ah
dim kindle
i dont think having a magic dmg share = sunderer better
on jax its a tough tell because his magic dmg share is quite big
but tri is really good on him too
honestly could do some testing on it but idt i care enough
sunderer is good but tri is too and always defaulting to sunderer on all champs isnt correct
thats what i stand by
wukong is a huge case of this imo
esp top
dim kindle
I dont feel the heal is that significant
prisma ravine
Oh it is
dim kindle
they nerfed it quite hard
wheat notch
yea i moved my acc to na cuz the ping is just too high for me to play eu unless ...
wait were u american playing on euw
or did you move irl
dim kindle
moved irl
wheat notch
ah
prisma ravine
I dont think you can, shame
dim kindle
healing by items is not a sta
prisma ravine
But like, when I played Wukong I got like 500 healing in a single engage early on
dim kindle
t?
dim kindle
that doesnt seem right but I cant prove anything soo
anyway id say for jgl wu sunderer is better for sure since u are more focused on your spell rotation
in top youd be dueling more where tri has more value
dim kindle
i mean yea u get it on every wu q except for very crazy scenarios
whether sunderer or tri force wu top is a pretty underrated pick imo
prisma ravine
Isnt the issue mana?
dim kindle
thats what it was supposed to be but i dont really feel it
not more so than comparable champs
He has very ignorant trades and his extended all in is insanely strong
eternal palm
Tri is really underrated on xin
eternal palm
I agree with glover though, people act like there’s a massive gap between sunderer vs Tri when there’s not
dim kindle
like once u learn it wu is a completelty unplayable match up for darius
eternal palm
I just look at it as sunderer for short trades, Tri for extended trades
dim kindle
its a bit more complicated than that but the general idea isnt wrong
eternal palm
Like sunderer on Camille makes sense because she ideally wants to Q auto Q and get out with a net positive trade
On wukong interestingly enough I think it’s very close
dim kindle
camille is a special case because she converts the sheen proc into true damage too
on wu its close ye
on darius sunderer is pretty much always wrong I think
like even against sion sejuani sylas i wouldnt build sunderer
eternal palm
People underestimate how much damage your w actually does, but like Q + auto from your clone is not a negligible amount
severe cairn
against sion sej sylas as Darius I think the build path is the FF button
dim kindle
Nah thats a w
severe cairn
depends on the bot comp I guess
dim kindle
darius loves frontline
eternal palm
Sylas does not enjoy seeing darius on the other side
dim kindle
Darius wants to eat up a front to back teamfight
you dont actually want to initiate on back line unless its free or you dont have another choice
You want to blow up a frontliner get your reset and go wild after
prisma ravine
I just look at it as sunderer for short trades, Tri for extended trades
Sunderer is often better on those too
Due to its heal
Thats ... kinda the issue
Trinity is burstier
But there are cheaper options for burst
You need to be on a champ who doesnt need a heal, does almost exclusively physical damage and doesnt want to be bursty
eternal palm
Well the AS matters a lot for champs like Darius, Xin
eternal palm
Eh, remember though, Xin’s E’s cd goes down every time you auto and xin has built in sustain so the AS helps there also
prisma ravine
That makes sense
But Eclipse rn is really good on ad-heavy bruisers
And Xin is one of those
Eclipse is both his most popular and best-performing mythic
dim kindle
idk always look turbo useless on xin unless you snowball into an enemy ff15
damage is high though
issue is probably more xin himself rather than eclipse
eternal palm
He has high base damages. Like 2 seasons ago I built him tank to start into wits end and you legitly just ran everybody down
He’s also good into Vayne top
prisma ravine
Also I find it funny how overrated Eclipse is on exactly the classes that arent good with it
Its actually one of Hecas best mythics
And on Riven its the by far best one
But no one is buying it on Heca and only half the people are buying it on Riven
dim kindle
well its because most of the playerbase doesnt actually look up stats and just build what the game implies to make sense
eternal palm
Or they copy pro players
prisma ravine
I mean stats arent much help tbh
Because low pickrate means skewed results
But like
dim kindle
im zed and i want to duel so i guess i should go eclipse
you cant exactly blame someone for thinking that
prisma ravine
Why do people still buy Eclipse on Varus
Its dogwater
Funny enough
Ive somewhat come around on Eclipse on Zed
I think its an alright option if youre going W max and focus on sustained damage
dim kindle
probably wasnt the best example
dim kindle
uh isnt w max dead again cuz they reverted the e cd so you can double e again?
prisma ravine
Nah W max is still the way to go
But eclipse is not good on it
Its better on jungle Kha
But lane Kha wants to burst
Until the lategame, but by then you got Seryldas
eternal palm
That’s wrong, lane kha wants to make it out of lane phase
prisma ravine
So on lane Kha you miss the time window where Eclipse makes sense
You want to roam and get kills, and for that burst is more valuable
eternal palm
That’s why you max W and just stack your tear and clear waves effectively
prisma ravine
Eclipse is also not super helpful at surviving since the only way to proc it is by jumping in
Its ... fine against melee opponents
But tbh against melee opponents you can kill, so Prowlers is good
eternal palm
You can also do 3 points in W into Q max
But I enjoy W max
Gives you a good amount of zone control you normally don’t have
Also the slow on W is so much for literally no reason
prisma ravine
Theyll probably nerf that to give him power elsewhere
eternal palm
Is Graves top dead btw? Haven’t tried it this season. Granted I haven’t been going top at all this season
dim kindle
Probably still does the same thing
eternal palm
I love myself too much now to put myself back on that island
prisma ravine
Oh yeah since its been a while
dim kindle
build a bunch of lifesteal and outstat
prisma ravine
Sadly the Hydra option on lane Kha is dead
So its back to Prowlers, Manamune, Ghostblade, Seryldas
eternal palm
Most games for me only last till eclipse manamune serylda’s
But ghostblade would be my next item, maybe edge of night, sometimes just a stop watch
prisma ravine
I usually go Ghostblade over Seryldas third
Because the enemies dont have enough armour
eternal palm
I want your queues
prisma ravine
Also unironically
If I were to buy Eclipse
Id consider skipping Serlydas
Though the exact math on that depends on a lot of things
Also god I wish Zeds banrate wasnt so high
Itd be fun to main him
Not even sure why it is so high
eternal palm
Same reason people ban kat/malphite at low elo
It’s easier to ban them than learn what’s good into them/how to play around them
dim kindle
He doesnt get banned much in my games but ye he honestly looks very fun this season
also since he scales so well now it doesnt feel dooming when early goes wrong
like it used to in previous years
eternal palm
Eh, I feel as if Zed has had solid scaling for a while now. His damage very rarely felt negligible
Maybe starting since like season 8ish?
dim kindle
im not sure when exactly it started but simply more access to pen and haste and a good sustain item make him way stronger late game than in the days of old
he is just way better weaving in and out of teamfights
when back in the day you blew your load got out and recalled with low hp
eternal palm
Speaking of, I should dust off the old Fizz just to see how the slight W buffs affect his lane phase
eternal palm
Idt it’s a lot tbh
At least not where it matters
In lane? It’s probably oppressive af
prisma ravine
Some of it is people realising W max second is actually insane
eternal palm
meanwhile there’s me, who has always maxed W first
prisma ravine
Second I assume
dim kindle
anyone remember e first max top zed
dim kindle
@eternal palm @night marsh are we playing
night marsh
@inner vapor wake up kid
night marsh
@gray sandal u2 noob
dim kindle
poggers
inner vapor
<@508419121843535892> wake up kid
bro
its sleepy time
also im like mega bad at the game
:/.
eternal palm
that's my ps5
what i'm playing on my cpu is hidden so people dont see when I play my p*rn games
dim kindle
understandable
prisma ravine
God Im still mad about Bel'Veths kit
They had a visual design that I absolutely fucking love, a Voidray
And they waste it on a slappy Yi
gray sandal
<@181089711509602305> u2 noob
at work kiddo. hmu anytime next week
dim kindle
@night marsh enemy team yesterday unlucky
night marsh
A price that must be paid 
dapper kite
hey thats me
dim kindle
lmao i just looked at some of the fights from last game yesterday and i legit died like 3 times with both ult and flash ready as xayah
man was i cooked
slim terrace
can relate, I'm fuckin terrible at using the stop watch that I just bought
wheat notch
that's the best advice
i think i havent touched league at all
that promo anxiety hitting different fr
(its bc my sleep sucked and i didnt feel confident)
dim kindle
i believe in you
slim terrace
just play normals to keep in form ez
wheat notch
just play normals to keep in form ez
nah bc then i spend all my pent up energy on a normal
if i keep a healthy gap between games i plag SO well
slim terrace
fair enough
night marsh
lmao i just looked at some of the fights from last game yesterday and i legit di...
I did the same and I trolled so many fights, so many times I could just 100-0 the veigar/Ez and troll going for a highlight reel clip
dim kindle
had a lot of fun though especially the first game we played bot lmao
night marsh
Yeah lol
eternal palm
We on there tomorrow 👀
sinful frost
slim terrace
Man why does Lollypopping exist?
idk tbh, honestly I think it's in there to make noobs feel better unironically
riot has changed games in the past multiple times to make them noob friendly, such as first shot inaccuracy in valorant or crit in league
dim kindle
NA squad you guys wanna play tonight
night marsh
I work the next 3 nights 
eternal palm
I’m working tonight
dim kindle
kk
dim kindle
this was pretty funny turn of events
cat and mouse game
also yuumi is fucking stupid
slim terrace
yeah new yuumi is actually busted
and for some reason they encourage you to leave your host less?? 
prisma ravine
Its to make her easy
And make shutting her down in lane matter more
The big problem was that they wanted Yuumi to be easy, but she ended up being stupidly difficult and functionally pro-bound as a result precisely because of the constant hopping off
slim terrace
but then you're increasing the other major problem people had with her, where she needed more counterplay
zeri yuumi terrorizing your solo queues
prisma ravine
She has more counterplay now too
"Yuumi has to hop off" was never an avenue for counterplay to begin with
But "if you shut down Yuumis lane she falls behind hard" is
prisma ravine
Ive changed my mind on changing my mind on Eclipse on Zed
Tried it out today, it didnt feel good
The lack of damage really sucked while the shield wasnt nearly as good as I thought it would be
I think I might go back to Hydra-Prowlers-Seryldas/Ghostblade/Cleaver
dim kindle
that seems good though usually maw or deaths dance are really good 4th 5th slot like he can afford to not build max damage
wheat notch
aoe skarner ult wtf..
prisma ravine
that seems good though usually maw or deaths dance are really good 4th 5th slot ...
Fourth and fifth items are flexible yeah
dim kindle
aoe skarner ult wtf..
seemed nuts on paper but the more I thought about it its actually kinda smart
because it gives the ability higher ceiling while also providing way more interaction since enemy frontliners can deliberately soak
and just doesnt let skarner build a 1k ms build and kidnap a carry by itself and zoom out
well he can still do that potentially but its less binary
it also makes him less of a buy qss bot
eternal palm
The fact that you inherently made skarner very useless by buying qss and zhonyas to a lesser extent was stupid to begin with
At least mord threatens you with objective control with his ult (95% of junglers will not buy qss)
dim kindle
yea generally speaking the 1300g tax is not very fun for everyone involved
it sucks for both sides
and I think riot generally knows that which is why theyve done things in the past such as make zed ult not removed by qss make fizz shark not disappear into a void
etc
prisma ravine
With how hard it is for Skarner to get to a squishy
Its one of the few cases where un-qssable cc is justified
dim kindle
you mean uncleansable
dim kindle
yes
prisma ravine
And Oranges
dapper kite
Ovven wants it to be
prisma ravine
Yeah
dapper kite
Unqssable