huh interesting
#League of Legends
sullen crystal
wheat notch
no but i was calling her trans taliyah bc of the event exclusive chroma colors
wheat notch
lmao
dim kindle
T pose bug classic
wheat notch
It's no longer as funny now that we lost
Turns out Kai'sa having 100% kp while being 8/0/1 is a bit too much
wheat notch
idk she sure builds like an adc
prisma ravine
Yeah
Shes not supposed to
Shes supposed to build stuff like Manamune hybrid
But her hybrid itemisation is so fucked now you have to build crit
dim kindle
Idk navori kaisa is extremely fun to play
with the resetting cds
just zooming around
prisma ravine
Same thing I hate about Ezreals current build
prisma ravine
I mean its alright, I still like it less than hybrid but
dim kindle
i hated the manamune build personally
prisma ravine
I just hate that you need crit because it makes her early game just boring
Nah the manamune build slapped
I almost wish Navori amped damage based on attack speed rather than crit chance tbqh
It'd fix problems like Navori GP, and make it available for more builds that dont really want crit in the first place
eternal palm
Shes supposed to build stuff like Manamune hybrid
Manamune/kraken/ruunans/Bork/Nashors was peak kaisa
Holding crit on her feels so not her tbh
prisma ravine
Manamune/kraken/ruunans/Bork/Nashors was peak kaisa
I prefer Manamune Guinsoos Nashors and then the last 2 are flex slots
Pre-mythic update
eternal palm
Sure I’ll take it, I like her 2 item spike with manamune and krakens
And once you build Nashors nothing is actually able to tank your hits
prisma ravine
Hmm
What would Navoris becoming an attack speed item break actually
Lemme check if Vaynes W works with Navoris amp
It does, huh
sinful frost
severe cairn
it's been a year and two months and gwen does not have a third skin
prisma ravine
Oh thats quite the upgrade voice-wise
Now give her a visual update 
Like seriously her design is so bad
It was outdated years ago and now its just kinda cringe
Give us universe Nidalee 
Also patchnotes
severe cairn
riven buff is a mistake
prisma ravine
Eh
If anything Im shocked its that little
Riven is in the worst state shes been in for years and all she get is slightly faster tower clears
And like 3 damage more early game
Hell, Lee was in a much better state (as in, he was viable), and he got way bigger buffs
Same with Ori actually
dim kindle
just wanted to mention that kraken navori nashors is actually viable
since you're looking for hybrid kaisa
prisma ravine
The problem is
Its only hybrid by your third item (which you often dont get to)
Until then its just the standard crit build
I also just generally despise playing Marksmen with crit, I prefer to pick ones that dont have to engage with that fundamentally anti-skill stat
Which is why Im not playing bot rn
Im still mad they killed MFs lethality build in favour of forcing her into the same boring as hell crit sludge build
prisma ravine
I dont like losing to RNG, and I have bad luck with it 🤷
dim kindle
but everyone should enjoy games their way ig
prisma ravine
Like I get fewer crits on average than my opponents do, which sucks, but unfortunately that is the purpose of crit
To make the game less skillful
dim kindle
I dont like losing to RNG, and I have bad luck with it 🤷
This sentence flat out makes no sense ouch
prisma ravine
How doesnt it?
For example, what do you think the odds of getting hit by a 1% crit chance rune crit 6 times in a row is?
dim kindle
Like I get fewer crits on average than my opponents do, which sucks, but unfortu...
Damn man you count crits every game you play?
prisma ravine
I do tend to pay attention to damage numbers, yes
Helps to figure out what hp you can all-in from
dim kindle
sounds very fail proof
prisma ravine
Nah, armour makes it inexact math
But it helps
Regardless, crit is random only to make the game less skillful and to allow worse players to win fights and games theyre supposed to lose through luck, by Riots own admission
And I dont like that
It also has the consequence of making risky plays basically non-viable
You don't all-in botlane unless you win no matter how the crits roll, which sucks because I like risky plays
dim kindle
Man that guy just crit me 3 in a row gg unskillful game only reason I lost all game (my brain conveniently pays less attention to all the times i crit more that game)
prisma ravine
When that happens I also dont like it
Makes it feel unearned
(Because sometimes it genuinely is unearned)
Random question, did you watch any pro play in season 4?
dim kindle
bias symptoms basically guarantee that there is no chance assumption you have about who benefitted more from crit rng the game you just played are wrong
prisma ravine
That works if I dont keep track and am not aware of my biases (otherwise data science wouldnt work at all lmao)
dim kindle
and obsessing over sth like crit all game instead of things you can affect will just make you play worse
prisma ravine
But yeah, for context, in season 4, crit actually decided an entire season of NALCS
By making the team that was supposed to lose game 5 of the finals of the summer season
Win
dim kindle
Random question, did you watch any pro play in season 4?
I watched every game of eulcd i think not sure how much NA I watched
prisma ravine
Basically, C9 were losing the fight. 3 team members at 20% or less, all cooldowns burned. TSM meanwhile has their adc at nearly full hp, and with resources to spare
All that had to happen is sneaky (TSMs ADC) had to kill Wildturtle (C9s ADC who was at 20% hp) and then clean up the fight
dim kindle
think you got the names flipped
prisma ravine
No not the names
The teams
Whoops
Wildturtle was TSM, Sneaky was C9
C9 was winning the fight, TSM was losing
Anyway, easy enough right?
There was only one way that C9 could lose the fight
If Wildturtle crits on every attack, and kills Sneaky despite being almost dead himself, while lifestealing enough from the crits to survive
With only 45% chance
prisma ravine
(Or 40%, I dont remember which version of IE that was)
Wanna guess what happened?
Yep, Wildturtle crit on every attack, won a fight he was supposed to lose, and the game, and the finals, and the entire season
Its such an infamous moment that if you look up the VoD on youtube, the watch graph spikes at exactly that moment
dim kindle
I actually know the game you're talking about and yes its a huge outlier moment
prisma ravine
Not as much as you'd think actually
That was only what
A 5% chance?
I think its happened a couple times in other pro games, but never in such a high-profile situation
Happens all the time in Solo Q though, because all it takes is a narrow fight
And there is a lot of Solo Q games played
But hell, you dont even need that extreme a situation. Just critting 3/5 times with 20% chance can fuck an entire lane
Though what I find even worse than when it happens is the fact that the possibility of it happening just kills the pacing of botlane, and prevents so many strategies and plays because "RNG can fuck this"
dim kindle
I think the idea of hyperfocusing on crit variance of all things that happen in a game like that is absolutely non benefitial
prisma ravine
I dont "hyperfocus" on it
dim kindle
Also saying that fight was a win for c9 if trist doesnt crit like that is absolutely ridiculous and imo further shows why the focus on stuff like that is worthless
eternal palm
Main thing I enjoyed about kaisa was manamune personally
prisma ravine
I just acknowledge that it is hugely detrimental to the game and ruins my enjoyment of botlane
prisma ravine
And its no coincidence that the best botlane metas are the ones where crits presence is as low as possible tbh
prisma ravine
Also saying that fight was a win for c9 if trist doesnt crit like that is absolu...
Not really, the remaining characters are pretty easy to judge based on their expended resources
Without that crit streak they were losing 100%
Even Wildturtle when asked later admitted as much
If Wildturtle dies, the only one who is at all a threat is Orianna, but shes used up all her big damage, Nami is basically out of resources and Elise is close. Meanwhile TSM has a half-health Corki in that situation, a Yasuo who just got revived and a Kha'Zix who can reset
Oh, the doublelift video is deleted? RIP
But yeah, its a shame because like
Riot openly admitted that crit being random is very bad for the game back when Ghostcrawler was around
Now they instead decide to force it down everyones throat as they work to eliminate any non-crit build in the botlane
eternal palm
This might be a hot take but
They should have never gone away from the ie 2nd builds
dim kindle
the reason for crit change back then was because they had an issue with IE first
prisma ravine
the reason for crit change back then was because they had an issue with IE first
That was the case for the first iteration, but then they moved it to the current one because they didnt like IE second either
100k is ... huh
Im not sure I ever did that much either
severe cairn
eternal palm
I mean when you consider it was a 47 minute game
Surely you would have gotten more out of conqueror/fleet’s footwork
Though fleet footwork is hard to calculate usefulness, since you can’t calculate the ability to space more effectively
severe cairn
Surely you would have gotten more out of conqueror/fleet’s footwork
no actually
kayn sion ahri lucian alistar
if I have conqueror I get gibbed before I can get stacks
I absolutely have to stay at max range and pelt R's at them
first strike and luden's and muramana actually won the game, no cap
ahri and lucian stood next to each other for a fraction of a second so I was able to take off a third of both of their health and it came up later in the teamfight
severe cairn
thanks riot games
I was on the verge of getting into silver 1
and now I've demoted
all the way back to nearly silver 4
I have a negative winrate on all of my main roles
what do I play to get out
I'm getitng loser's queue'd perpetually and there's nothing I can do
and it's not a conspiracy theory
take this most recent game
I get a level 32 just got access to ranked queue rammus
who legitimately has no idea what he's doing, and I don't blame him because he is literally just playing ranked play for the first time ever
and they get a 500 game viego one trick who has been grinding games for the past three weeks
severe cairn
wow lee sin is
very overrated in difficulty
the only hard part is setting up his R combos but you just buy 2 control wards
dim kindle
lee used to be significantly harder than most of the roster a long time ago and people just still have that in their minds
he does still have a very high ceiling though
its his floor that gets overrated
thats how i view it at least
i just lost 20 and gained 38
new gains kinda wild
wheat notch
Yeah they're quite all over the place
Anyway I keep forgetting Crown is pretty cool but the Crown - Seraph combo felt so bad I did noooo damage
It feels underwhelming regardless of Tear to be fair but it's weird
My damage was a consistent 27-28k those 3 games, which, comparing to Liandry games, is 2-22k less effective
wheat notch
i was at 5 lp yes
dim kindle
ohj
severe cairn
this system
is flawed
I got auto-muted for calling my senna a whore (jokingly) when she sniped my kill with her ult
when we were 32 to 7 and clearly fucking around
I fucking hate this auto-flag system it ignores all context
it's also blatantly lying too because no one reported me
it was the auto system
it's so much more tilting than losing LP because I was just dicking around with friends
I'm never gonna get my honor level above 1 ever again because the system is entirely fucked too
you need to bank on people remembering to honor you
even if you 1v9 carry without saying a word and have the best mental in the entire game and rally up your teammates to keep on playing an unwinnable game and end up stealing a win it wouldn't matter because they could just forget to honor you
the most aggravating part is that "other players have judged you"
no they didn't, it's the automated system
prisma ravine
Uh, its really not that hard to get honor tbqh
severe cairn
it is when they slow your honor progress
prisma ravine
Play ARAM if you want an easier time tbh
severe cairn
oh true
dim kindle
we club penguin now
wheat notch
I just noticed I'm responsible for 4/5 of the Crown games on u.gg I'm in tears dude LMAOOO
If I filter it to EUW I'm the only person that has bought Crown (in Plat+) 😭
Nevermind u.gg is bugged it attributed 1 of the games to a Diamond player so I'm only 3/5ths
lucid yacht
@cursive falcon don't post random out of context gifs please
cursive falcon
o j a m a
dim kindle
Poggers
slim terrace
good games on blitz are the best ❤️
started off pretty mediocre cause they actually respected my level 1 and draven died 3 times, but then I started hitting hooks
dim kindle
honestly this actually sounds pretty fun to play
but I dont see how this solves her pro issue?
prisma ravine
At first glance this seems to accomplish what they want
prisma ravine
If its empowered
Main changes though are that she is dumbed way down
And her best friend mechanic provides an angle to shut her down
dim kindle
i like that she can move the r waves
prisma ravine
She can't just jump on the bruiser lategame if her lane lost
dim kindle
ye thats a big deal
eternal palm
I’m kinda upset at how some champs have been left for dead for an entire 12 month cycle, but Yuumi gets a full rework in a month
dim kindle
it was expected based on what they said but yes its favoritism
dim kindle
apparently there is a sizable playerbase that only wants to play yuumi
prisma ravine
They can't leave a champ dead dead for long
dim kindle
but she is a litteral grief pick so they had to hurry her along
prisma ravine
Except in the couple cases where they do but shhhh
If you want favouritism, look at Lee getting huge buffs while worse junglers have had nothing for years
dim kindle
mana restore is wild to me
prisma ravine
Or lee being turbo broken and the best champ in the game only to not be nerfed for half a year while Kha gets nerfed instantly while being mediocre
The mana restore is odd ngl
wheat notch
reading thru the abilities that q seems so silly wtf
dim kindle
i think the idea is they want her to be tied to the bot laner but they dont want to force that bot laner to be a marksman
But honestly if im playing certain marksman some mana feels quite good
eternal palm
Lmao, so we picking Ziggs/Yuumi bot now?
prisma ravine
Oh lmao
We got the friendship numbers
2 per minion 3 per champ
You're hardbound to your adc
wheat notch
The ult being dual-purpose as a heal seems cool but wow I don't like the sustain she's giving
on passive and w
just have ardent passive forever
why not
prisma ravine
wait i only just now read the q on hit dmg bonus scaling with ally crit
I mean its Riot
dim kindle
ye she does kinda just give the adc everything
prisma ravine
For some reason they're obsessed with making sure bot is all crit adcs with no non crit builds
Genuinely not sure why it has that text tbh
Id say its to make her less good on bruisers
But the friendship mechanic already means you're hardbound to the adc
Meaning bruisers would never get that onhit
dim kindle
Honestly to me this reads like her numbers will need to be turbo bad because I feel a well played around hyper carry comp with this is gonna be a pro problem
I assume her lane is basically unplayable no?
eternal palm
Idk how to feel about the ult. Yeah you knocked down the damage significantly, but that heal/shielding and resists seems so crazy
wheat notch
Kinda need to know by how much her Q speeds up
dim kindle
Like she cant do any trading anymore her adc has to litteraly manahe 1v2 with her benefits
wheat notch
like is it to the point of being undodgeable
prisma ravine
You make their support and adc both worthless
Lulu is still the better hypercarry comp support
dim kindle
Now if you shut down their botlane early
ye its what i mean i think the lane will just be too unplayable
prisma ravine
Even if the lane was good, she plays too poorly from behind
dim kindle
i like her new r a lot sounds fun to use
prisma ravine
Shut down lulu's Lane and Lulu can still make your bruiser nasty
eternal palm
A lot depends on how much her Q does imo
wheat notch
Like she cant do any trading anymore her adc has to litteraly manahe 1v2 with he...
ig that's why her passive is just free healing plus ardent on w xd
prisma ravine
Still at first glance this like
dim kindle
her numbers read way too high
prisma ravine
Seems decent?
dim kindle
to me
prisma ravine
Balance can be tuned
eternal palm
Also she gives her adc a mini wits end if her empowered q hits
prisma ravine
But design wise this does appear to accomplish what they want
Admitively its a shame that they're making Yuumi easy, I liked Yuumi when she was high skill but
dim kindle
But riot has stated multiple times now that they want to releasd stuff slightly overtuned do ppl engage with it and thats sound to me
prisma ravine
Well, thats not the goal they had with her in mind so
dim kindle
This version does actually sound kinda funny to play
prisma ravine
For me less so honestly
It reads like it plays itself
Which is the goal, of course
But yknow
dim kindle
oh yeah i mean longterm its too numb
wheat notch
it annoys me bc I'm just thinking trying to poke them out would be such a pain
dim kindle
The buttons are all fire and forget
wheat notch
-20dmg on a yuumi auto... cull on w.....
eternal palm
Idk why they never went with the “if champion Yuumi is attached to is hard cc’d, she gets forced out”
It would have added so much needed counterplay
wheat notch
i just want my bouncing bomb to matter
bc that sounds so bad to play
ah my adc got ccd good thing im the support
oh wait
i cant support
prisma ravine
Idk why they never went with the “if champion Yuumi is attached to is hard cc’d,...
Because there are a lot of problems with that design
wheat notch
bottom text
prisma ravine
Thats one of them
Like you don't have to be a designer to see how "force yuumi out on cc" is bad design
Especially given they want Yuumi to be easy
eternal palm
I mean 1, it forces Yuumi to not run double combat summoners
I’m ofc speaking old Yuumi not this one
This one seems fine for what they want to achieve
prisma ravine
It doesn't, flash is still worthless
Youd still run double combat summoners
All itd do is make the gap between good and bad Yuumis bigger
A good Yuumi jumps off early and hops back in
dim kindle
Which was already a problem
wheat notch
literally every team is gonna have hard cc u will just not be a champ in teamfights if they did that
prisma ravine
Prrcisely
wheat notch
u have q and r ur w and e will be useless
i dont want half my kit gone bc someone pressed leona r on my adc
dim kindle
And riots goal is apparently to solve skill skew champs this year
lets see how it goes
dim kindle
he isnt
dim kindle
xer is better in low elo
eternal palm
Solving skill skew in itself seems very wack to me. Some champs are just naturally hard to play
dim kindle
im p sure
eternal palm
You’re not going to be a good azir until 50+ games in
dim kindle
Solving skill skew in itself seems very wack to me. Some champs are just natural...
fair opinion to have
prisma ravine
o i thought skew like beginner vs main
That is what skill skew is, yes
Some people make the mistake of assuming its low to high elo, but its not
prisma ravine
Solving skill skew in itself seems very wack to me. Some champs are just natural...
The problem is that people want to use winrate as a balance metric
If you dont solve skill skew
dim kindle
I think they just want playerbase to feel better about picking hard champs in low elo
wheat notch
xerath looks like such a pain to play nowadays which is why i mentioned him
prisma ravine
People will keep circlejerking about how [insert hard champ here] is bad while tearing up pro play
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People will keep circlejerking about how [insert hard champ here] is bad while t...
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prisma ravine
Fuck off bot
wheat notch
ziggs at least has that satchel to cope but xerath is probably the worst off artillery
eternal palm
Winrate has never been a good balance metric though. During 2 of the previous 50 ryze reworks his solo q winrate was low, while he was terrorizing pro play
dim kindle
xerath looks like such a pain to play nowadays which is why i mentioned him
ye but high elo is way better at exploiting his problems
prisma ravine
Winrate has never been a good balance metric though. During 2 of the previous 50...
Correct
wheat notch
is he?
prisma ravine
But a lot of players assume it is
And Riot seems to balance around that incorrect assumption
prisma ravine
I agree that I dont like this approach
dim kindle
ryze actually landed in a good spot
prisma ravine
But I do get it
dim kindle
now
prisma ravine
There is a reason the difficult champs they dont lower the skill ceiling of are the ones mained so much their winrate is fine-ish
dim kindle
he is solid in solo q even in lower brackets and he is not pro terrorist
prisma ravine
Katarina, Yasuo, Riven
Ironically all 3 of those are also kinda weak but not getting buffs for the same reason but shhhh
Well Yasuo is maybe fine tbh
eternal palm
I would rather they focus on champs like talon/Panth/Qiyana and find how to make them playable in a way that people don’t cry about them anytime they’re even slightly strong
You can throw fizz in that too
prisma ravine
I would rather they focus on champs like talon/Panth/Qiyana and find how to make...
Youre better off trying to fix world hunger, frankly
Like straight up
I dont think you can achieve that
People dont like assassins 🤷
dim kindle
I think their ambitions are very genuine in just trying to give lower brackets a better chance at enjoying something like azir with his planned changes because the community in recent years heavily spread this idea of dont play X if you dont main it
eternal palm
Panth rn feels close to that point imo
prisma ravine
Though what I do find funny
Is that I think the reason people dont like assassins is because when they kill you, it was your or your teams fault usually?
Like people hated Zoe despite her having a lot of counterplay for that reason
eternal palm
I think people just dislike the lanes that get snowballed
prisma ravine
But dont hate Viktor for example because it was out of your hands in the first place
If you get gibbed by Zoe you fucked up
eternal palm
Assassins in team fights unless giga far ahead aren’t horrible to deal with
prisma ravine
If you get gibbed by Viktor thats just Viktor being Viktor
dim kindle
its because what matters is how players perceive the game
prisma ravine
Assassins suck in teamfights, thats a known weakness
prisma ravine
its because what matters is how players perceive the game
Oh yeah for sure
Im just musing as to why they percieve it that way
And my hypothesis is that people like counterplay only up to a point
And at some point the more counterplay a champ has, the less people like facing them
Because the more counterplay they have, the stronger they are when you fail to use said counterplay
And if you fuck up and die, it feels especially bad because it was your fault
dim kindle
If you get blown up by zoe q across 2 screens your instant reaction is just wow thats bs and most ppl dont make the necessary steps to analyzs further than that
eternal palm
The counterplay to assassins is team play. Issue is, solo q players don’t find that to be a viable form of counterplay due to the volatility of solo Q
prisma ravine
Eh, most assassins have counterplay in their kit, unless theyre turbo-fed (But tbh if someone is turbo-fed theyre killing you no matter the archetype)
dim kindle
And when assassins are overtuned by numbers its just way more obvious than other champs
prisma ravine
Ironically the lowest counterplay assassin is probably the one people tend to hate the least?
eternal palm
That’s why I always like judging champs in a team environment, rather than as an isolated thing
prisma ravine
Well
The least is maybe wrong
But Nocturne is hated less than Zed or Kha or Qiyana
Anyway, assassins are just weak and have been, and its lame but what can you do?
dim kindle
Like with zed at the start of the season it was painfully obvious his numbers are too high with how much extra stats he got from new itemization because his binary role you see either work or not every fight he is in
other champs dont work like that
prisma ravine
I just switched to mages other than playing Kha mid for fun
eternal palm
Like talon and fizz fantasy wise have some of the best come to life assassin kits. They want to get in, get out. Surprise you from fog of war etc
But everybody hated it when talon was strong
prisma ravine
I find Talon is a bit hit or miss kit-wise honestly
Mostly his E
Its a lot of power and it looks cool but it doesnt really feel great
Also his W hitbox still needs to be fixed
dim kindle
Talon is very meh imo
prisma ravine
Or animation rather
Like
Whenever I played him I felt bad every time my enemy got hit by thin air
dim kindle
The only time talon feels interesting is when he manages to do cool stuff with his e during fights
wheat notch
Eh, most assassins have counterplay in their kit, unless theyre turbo-fed (But t...
me personally i loved being 3 1 5 and almost losing a 1v1 to a 1 6 riven
dim kindle
which is what seperates the really cracked talon players
dim kindle
me personally i loved being 3 1 5 and almost losing a 1v1 to a 1 6 riven
tbf the kda alone hardly even determines how much gold and xp both players have here
especially with a top laner
wheat notch
uh
prisma ravine
me personally i loved being 3 1 5 and almost losing a 1v1 to a 1 6 riven
I dont think Riven is an assassin?
Or do you mean you were an assassin
wheat notch
iirc i was building my 3rd item theyrecbuilding the 2nd
wheat notch
I dont think Riven is an assassin?
the turbo fed bit
dim kindle
also riven is supposed to beat certain classss of champs even when not on equal footing
wheat notch
ok but when the disparity is that high cmon
prisma ravine
Oh well
wheat notch
can i get anything besides a Sometimes advantageous lane phase
dim kindle
idk how high the disparity is with only kda
prisma ravine
Ziggs is not really what I was thinking of
Since hes more of a poke/waveclear mage
I was thinking battle/burst mages
Like a 3 1 Viktor beats a 1 6 Riven easily
eternal palm
Tbf, I would expect a 1/6 sion to 1v1 most mid laners in an isolated scenario
wheat notch
he's half burst mage
eternal palm
Like glover said it’s the class dynamic
wheat notch
nc of e and r
and his poke sucks
bc q is unhittable after it bounces
xerath q jayce q the former is instant the latter is zoom
dim kindle
if a good riven deletes me with 1 item when im on 2 and a half im pissed for a second but i know thats what the character does
wheat notch
idk how high the disparity is with only kda
I'll try and find the replay by Sunday
dim kindle
seraphs did sth here or not?
wheat notch
It felt really bad I'll be real
wu still killed me thru it
and I couldn't get away with satchel
prisma ravine
Anyway assassins are weird because like
dim kindle
naw i meant in this specific case against the riven
prisma ravine
Theyre inherently more popular than other classes
wheat notch
riven hmm
dim kindle
has no relevance just wondering
prisma ravine
But also more hated than other classes
And lately Riot has given in to the latter moreso than the former
wheat notch
I don't remember fully sorry
prisma ravine
So assassins suck and even despiteb eing usually popular no one is playing any except for maybe Zed
wheat notch
I remember around a teamfight she jumped me and Seraph procced and I got away but I think I would've lived anyway
dim kindle
well i can tell you from the adc perspective since adcs are the biggest assassin whiners
I play my lane get a slight lead and turbo fed zed from mid takes a shit on my head through peel at dragon fight
and its just very obvious in that moment that "wow i died we lost" compared to a fed control mage zoning you out or chunking someone or handling your frontline too fast
Its harder to make the association of what you lost the fight to
so its easier to whine about gg zed deleted me
prisma ravine
See that logic does almost track but like
If I was on VIktor in that same situation
Youre getting blown up just the same
But you dont really see them hating on burst mages?
dim kindle
you are less likely to be blowing specifically me up
but yes that can happen to
i mean for the sake of argument we just have to assume its a standard front to back cookie cutter teamfight cuz otherwise its too hard to process apart
prisma ravine
you are less likely to be blowing specifically me up
Depends on if I have flash tbf
Or W evolution
dim kindle
yes but then you are vik in the middle of my team and cant dab out like zed
prisma ravine
To be fair, if Zed is jumping you hard, he is probably not getting out either
His R return range isnt that far
dim kindle
and vs viktor unless you are on lichbane raba pen boots or sth its not a straight oneshot i can fix some parts with positioning
wheat notch
My whining vs assassins comes from the fact I have no good items for themm Most can shatter Crown before going in, Seraph's feels bad (for me). The Banshee's component got fucking guttered, plus Banshee's feels bad to build and Armguard got nerfed repeatedly (30 base armor -> 15 base armor -> 15 less bonus armor) when near every assassin can get mercs and I'm immediately doing way less dmg
dim kindle
a fed zed says flash my shuriken or its up to MY mechanical execution whether you die or not
prisma ravine
Oh you dont need Lichbane tbh
dim kindle
its not up to your own execution
prisma ravine
Ludens + Shadowflame
And you can usually oneshot the botlane is they come too close if youre a little fed
If youre at 3 items you are oneshotting the botlane
prisma ravine
Ironically thats the only reasonable part, since most of its damage is in the delayed explosion
Its the Q thats the most fucked up part
dim kindle
its really hard to get anywhere with trying to pick apart scenarios like this
wheat notch
it's not even that low cmon
wheat notch
it's a quarter of a squishies health at the least
prisma ravine
it's not even that low cmon
210 + 0.5 per AP
Err, 230 + 0.5 per AP
By mage standards thats really low
E2 is where the damage is
dim kindle
my point is just that assassins usually create situations that are a personal skill execution check that are only slightly affected by the opponents own mechanical skill check
the counterplay is a macro skill check and macro skill checks are less obvious
the counterplay was " i shouldnt have been in that spot"
which is the next frustration point
messy games
some games macro just gets tossed out the window
prisma ravine
Eh, I find a lot of the time there is counterplay beyond macro for assassins too
Few assassins are point and click
dim kindle
assassins overperform in them
dim kindle
Eh, I find a lot of the time there is counterplay beyond macro for assassins too
of course there is
prisma ravine
Like Kha is definitely macro-heavy counterplay (but its also so easy to do that Kha just falls off like a brick)
dim kindle
but generally it leans a bit like that
prisma ravine
But with Zed any adc with a dash can often avoid a lot of damage
dim kindle
thats all
im just trying to create a general idea because we cant analyze every assassin vs every adc
wheat notch
I think assassins should be more all in heavy so they can't dive me and get out for free 😀
dim kindle
like yes if qiyana does her fucked up mechanical 500 apm blow my nuts combo because I gave her the opportunity I die
and thats ok
players have a hard time percieving that
and in messy solo q games when ppl start playing call of duty death match instead it gets especially frustrating for adcs or mages vs assassins
thats the big factors why ppl are more vocal about assassins
in my opinion
Assassins are fine
except eve
i fucking hate eve
wheat notch
stealth moment
prisma ravine
The only assassin I dislike is Rengar
... maybe Shaco
Same reason for both, low on the counterplay scale
eternal palm
I mean I play kha and fizz and sometimes talon (I don’t count Panth as an assassin), but I admittedly do it for fun moreso than as a serious pick
wheat notch
At least Rengar has no get out of jail free card besides his w which you can kill through
eternal palm
I do enjoy picking Panth into kat whenever somebody is disrespectful enough to blind kat mid
prisma ravine
At least Rengar has no get out of jail free card besides his w which you can kil...
Hot take: Assassins generally dont
Thats why theyre not good in teamfights
Akali is like the exception, hence why she is good
wheat notch
something something akali jumpscare
zed clones to a lesser extent
i dont want him diving me then go
"bye :)"
eternal palm
Yeah akali can be great in team fights but not every akali player is great at team fighting
prisma ravine
Kats shunpo is awful as an escape
dim kindle
Akali is like the exception, hence why she is good
very accurate
prisma ravine
Even in laning its too predictable without ward jumps working anymore
wheat notch
it don't matter if its predictable when i die and she doesnt pensivecowboybread
i am not ulting the wave !!
prisma ravine
I mean ...
You should be crushing her in lane
Just pray your botlane listens to pings
dim kindle
i dont understand how akalis designer actually thought letting her ignore tower for dives was actually a real idea
prisma ravine
Unironically Kat has probably the worst laning phase of any champs ever
dim kindle
im still mindblown by it
wheat notch
well u see Uno
eternal palm
Akali rework was done by certainly t no?
prisma ravine
i dont understand how akalis designer actually thought letting her ignore tower ...
I think it was originally unintentional
Then they tried to embrace it
Like my guess is that they made it ignore true sight
wheat notch
i play an extremely weak subclass of mages
prisma ravine
Which also affected turrets
wheat notch
prisma ravine
Then they went "hey, lets try and keep this, and have it be like an elise thing"
Only to eventually go "ok this wasnt a good idea"
prisma ravine
i play an extremely weak subclass of mages
Even those should crush her early
wheat notch
healing on q 
prisma ravine
You can deadass just auto Kat and force her out of the lane lmao
wheat notch
Even those should crush her early
xerath definitely wont lmao
eternal palm
Tbh, then changing r1 was the healthiest change they’ve done to her (other than the broken ass W she had on release)
wheat notch
ziggs can poke her a little but like
prisma ravine
Healing on Q was actually reasonable tbh, shame they couldnt make it work
wheat notch
it gets impossible at some point bc her trades will outdmgg your poke and u just sit there
prisma ravine
That ... shouldnt really be happening
Even if she gets level 2, which she has to have given up cs for already
wheat notch
it shouldn't but it does because i play a bad champion 👍
prisma ravine
Her QE combo does not do much early on
eternal palm
Well akali just needs to stay within 20 cs of the Ziggs and at level 6 she has kill pressure
dim kindle
you lose to minions if you do anything e early game tbh
eternal palm
Oh
wheat notch
i dont think i have a kat replay unfortunately but I'll get clips later copium
dim kindle
akali would litteraly be the best champ in the game by a mile if she wasnt so crippled by wave clear
prisma ravine
Like Kat is one of those champs where Im usually happy to lane against her
But always hate how much you have to rely on your botlane listening to your pings
Because those assholes never fucking do
eternal palm
Let’s see
Is there a champ that I see that makes me happy to know that’s my lane opponent
wheat notch
My whining vs assassins comes from the fact I have no good items for themm Most ...
anyway please give me better anti assassin itemisation as a mage rito thanks 
i wonder how effective barrier would b bc christ
dim kindle
I genuinely feel like anti assassin itemization is really good
wheat notch
id rather kms than buy armguard and delay my mythic by 1k rn
eternal palm
I mean, what assassins do we see? It’s done it’s job too we’ll
prisma ravine
And with lethality being as turbo-ass as it is
wheat notch
it's onll 15 base armor too
eternal palm
Hell I don’t event see LB anymore
prisma ravine
Eh LB is fine I think
But we dont really see AD assassins outside of exactly solo Q
And even then its exactly Zed
Whens the last time you saw a Talon mid?
eternal palm
I tend to agree
dim kindle
Everything needs to go right and he has to be faker
prisma ravine
I mean
Shes hard, which ig thats fair
But she seems to be doing fine, else she wouldnt see pro play
Doesnt really have any pro-specific strengths like Tahm used to have
eternal palm
Her pro specific strengths are exactly creating picks
dim kindle
idk if d1 lb mains dont make the champ look good then id rather have someone else
eternal palm
Ahri does the same but does way less damage
But you don’t play Ahri as an assassin since her changes anyways
She’s a full blown mage nowadays
dim kindle
Imo i think ahri is way better how she is now
eternal palm
I agree, but that’s also because assassin ahri was left in the dumpster for years
prisma ravine
Tbh Im confused as to what exactly Ahris like
eternal palm
Last time she was relevant before her changes was the glp iteration
dim kindle
ye but i dont think she was very cool as an assassin
wheat notch
Tbh Im confused as to what exactly Ahris like
charm bot ig
cc with mobility goes brazy
eternal palm
The angles she’s able to cc at is pretty nuts
wheat notch
shoutout to old rakan crossing the entire midlane for an all in
eternal palm
And her damage is okay
dim kindle
ahri mains whine she has zero dmg but she still kills with full commitment so i honestly dunno what they mean
dim kindle
she does significantly less
prisma ravine
Both base and scalings are pretty low
But cooldown isnt low enough that you can just spam it
eternal palm
When does she kill? In lane? Sure. But take the g2 vs koi match last week. Larssen full combo’d caps and caps was still only at half hp
And that was vs Tristana lol
dim kindle
Dont talk to me about that match actual int draft
eternal palm
Also you need to commit to taking ignite
Which is something I already hate doing as a mid laner
ESP somebody like Ahri that’s able to generate side pressure while being safe
severe cairn
I'm gonna lose it
like
good for leblanc players but I fucking hate playing against good leblancs
slim terrace
wait isn't this like a big buff for bad leblancs
one of her biggest difficulties was CSing properly I feel like
severe cairn
the "either part" is what concerns me
Q sigil has killed before, I've seen it
not sure how I feel about leblanc getting resets
wheat notch
if RQ killing refunds R that's insanely scary
It does refund R the rioter that did the change said that
Anyway I have never had an original thought that's so fucked up
He even explicitly mentions Ziggs in the video dude it's joever
I've even seen this video before it's insane
wheat notch
Didnt want to hurt your feelings <:SadChamp:683182130653822995>
It doesn't really affect me I just think it's funny
and hey it means I came up with an idea that LS thought is good I'm getting better as a player
dapper kite
Great minds think alike, as they say
wheat notch
I wonder if I actually came up with it or if I had this germinate in my brain bc like it shows the video as fully watched
so i surely saw that bit
but i do not remember having seen it
cursive falcon
I hate this new yuumi
just played against one?
severe cairn
yes
dim kindle
its on pbe already?
severe cairn
yes
dapper kite
they werent lying about those lp gains
wheat notch
wew
dapper kite
Also holy fuck i love playing ww into morde
Actually unlosable matchup
Makes me feel gigabrained when k know exactly how to play a lane
dapper kite
now we dont talk about my macro post lane
wheat notch
Living the dream
prisma ravine
Another day of cursed games in ranked
Today featuring a Leona Eing while knocked up from ASols ult ... somehow?
wheat notch
Fun game to demote to
prisma ravine
Could be worse
you could demote to a bug
Also love it when you crush your lane
And then your opponent gets back into the game because your Q stopped doing damage to them for literally no reason
Very fun 
severe cairn
have you tried playing ziggs support
prisma ravine
Like I was 4 0 on Yone
My enemy Akali was struggling
And then my Q stopped doing damage to Akali
It hits, it gets the stack, but it doesnt do damage
Oh my god
The Akali was apparently so salty on being called out for the fact that she only won because of a bug she reported me
Lmaoooo
Bruv just take the win you didnt deserve, dont get salty if someone points out you didnt deserve it
wheat notch
have you tried playing ziggs support
I would win no games doing so
prisma ravine
Man why did they buff Lee Sin
I liked not playing against him
Like I feel like with how long he was 30+% pick rate, Lee deserves to be below average pickrate for a while
still trout
when did they change the surrender votes from 20 to 15 minutes
before it used to be an early surrender
prisma ravine
It still is
still trout
well a surrender just got called at 16 mins and it didnt say early surrender
sinful frost
they're changing it
or already changed it
or something
basically they said comebacks during early surrender votes were really rare when 4/5 people voted to surrender
so now "early" surrender votes are now normal surrender votes
still trout
huh
slim terrace
Today featuring a Leona Eing while knocked up from ASols ult ... somehow?
I thought the E has to finish if it connects at a certain point
prisma ravine
Oh no I meant she started the E while knocked up
wheat notch
soon @dim kindle
humble glacier
so now "early" surrender votes are now normal surrender votes
FF10 soon
prisma ravine
Ok yeah the new report system is broken
slim terrace
expecting a nerf in the near future
sinful frost
#1020783956184023070 crossover outta nowhere
severe cairn
Ok yeah the new report system is broken
what happened?
prisma ravine
It gave me a warning for pointing out that a guy flaming me was going 0 3 lmao
sinful frost
severe cairn
pantheon was a problem?
sinful frost
- Empowered E bonus MS reduced from 60% to 40%
- Data now shows E granting 10 + 20% bonus AD armor and MR for 6 seconds, not implemented in game yet```not sure why they're buffing him he wasn't egregiously bad
side note I am still angry that skarner won the VGU instead of Shyvana
because it's been like a year and some change and we have no updates on how the skarner VGU is coming along
so shyvana VGU is probably 2 years after that
eternal palm
I think people that report often should also get points tbh
Like league is toxic, but like only 1 in every 3 or so games do I actually get somebody that’s worthy of a report
severe cairn
the problem with that is reports are handled autonomously
eternal palm
Yeah, so like come up with a formula in which a person’s reports x their number of games played is viable to get points. No one should be averaging 1 report a game
That’s like at the point where it’s probably healthier for you to just not play the game
prisma ravine
Hm
Man I wanna play AP Kaisa mid in ranked
But I dont feel comfortable enough on it yet
eternal palm
If you want a fun mid pick that you don’t see
Pick xin mid
I used to pick xin into Vayne tops back when xin’s w was busted damage wise
And it was hilarious seeing them get chunked to half health off 2 W’s
prisma ravine
Eh
I like Kaisa mid, Im not a huge fan of Xin
Sucks that there is basically no way to get E Evolve though that doesnt suck
Like you could go Nashors + AS boots
But that doesnt evolve til level 13 or so
And you give up Magic Pen boots which hurts
eternal palm
I mean hurricane exists, but idk if you would want to build it on ap kaisa at all
prisma ravine
Yeah
sinful frost
Details attached but more context in following tweets
While there still remains some value to curbing early invades, the cost is just too high right now to merit retaining the mechanic. I think it was worth exploring, I'd rather us try stuff and pull it than never try it at all, but it's time to sunset it now.
The counterjungling penalty was often misunderstood (a lot of people think it affects healing or gold or xp as well) but it did hit early invades meant to punish early ganks enough that there wasn't a strong reason not to gank since you weren't risking camps or future farm.
Jungle gold per camp is ~20g down from S12 now, which is a bit too severe of a loss for anyone interested in heavy farming. Bringing about half of that gold back (you still get treat gold as well) to make sure that all kinds of different strategies are viable in the role
The sweeper changes should reduce early vision denial to make it a bit harder for junglers to get off early ganks, but also generally pare down the power of the trinket as it's a little too good through gametime at choking out enemy sight.
Finally, sapping xp from waves after getting early ganks and pushing out waves or catching allied waves after they die should be less effective at slingshotting you ahead of the game without farming your camps or killing enemies.
Hopefully the last set of disruptive changes to the jg for a while. Glad we've had the time to do followup after preseason and thanks for sticking around and reading!```Tyler1 will be very happy to see this
prisma ravine
So apparently both of the windbrothers have ab ug where your Q becomes unable to hit enemies?
It seems to be temporary
But you can no longer hit the enemy champ with your Q
Or more accurately, it hits them, it just has no effect other than progressing Q stacks?
chilly ivy
eternal palm
Upset to Vitality
dapper kite
wheat notch
zamn
severe cairn
poor vel'koz
wheat notch
Fucked up that I queued up for blind, waited 1 min, queued draft, hit in 12 seconds
severe cairn
the GP nerf is
not at all the problem with him lol
but I guess showing his barrel charges is an interesting way to nerf him
now you won't have ADC's walking into his 2-part range and getting deleted if they're paying attention
prisma ravine
The problem is crit but they dont want to touch crit
And I get the feeling whoever at Riot is forcing more and more champs into building crit wont allow them to make GP into a bruiser again, even though its clear that thats what he should be
severe cairn
honestly them changing crit from 25 an item to 20 an item kinda did nothing all things considered
you still build 4 crit items + defensive and boots on any given ADC because the extra 20 just isn't worth it
but half of those items are your mythic + IE/Navori's so you only have 2 more crit items
and most of the time you're gonna want armor pen but for some reason they decided to make the grievous crit item an armor pen item too
so you have to pick either LDR or Mortal Reminder
dim kindle
not at all the problem with him lol
His passive damage and higher barrel uptime than before are definitely both issues they are nerfing
not sure how I feel about the bar but it should certainly make it easier to recognize his weak windows
severe cairn
I'm using a bit of hyperbole but yeah I'm glad that any of his numbers are going down period
I just think his barrels occupy a bit too much of his power
prisma ravine
So apparently the queue-up bug reaches further than I thought
I had an enemy Rengar attack me ... while I was using Kayns ult
At the end half of it
dim kindle
maybe same origin of the old auto attack while being revived with GA bug
talking about bugs you can almost 100% reproduce q going opposite direction bug on apehlios
slim terrace
finally got to try asol and my first game is into soraka mid lmao
putting all their eggs into the aphelios basket didn't seem super wise either 
wheat notch
yeah i tried asol and i fed my ass off but wow his q is so unsatisfying
idk why they love making dots like fiddle and this bursty
slim terrace
idk I like it but then again I was super fed lol
wheat notch
slim terrace
it's so fun to do a dragon's breath driveby
slim terrace
that's fair enough but that's usually why you're pairing it with W later
that ult feels so much more satisfying too it's crazy
wheat notch
ult is def nicer than lol Push
slim terrace
don't forget it didn't push if you were outside a certain range
his W fits a lot better in the new kit than E did in the old kit too
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11bw7zn/i_feel_like_this_went_under_the_radar_but_riot/ btw forgot to ping you for this before
refunds are back to old functionality
slim terrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RzWGFIXHKE I've never seen this shit before I'm fucking dying
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11fzm8m/kt_rolster_vs_geng_lck_2023_spring_week_7/ someone just threw this on this thread
severe cairn
prisma ravine
Hah, Jhin costs 4444
dim kindle
adcs are very cheap with this ye
wheat notch
I don't think xerath should be 1350...
He's the only artillery champ (besides Lux) outside of 4800be outcast for being the shittiest of them all
crown super useless :( not my newfound love....
prisma ravine
This is the same guy who thought Katarina was better than Viktor in pro play lmao
Also Night Harvester in D is very funny
Same with Radiant Virtue in C
wheat notch
a lot of these are aimed at pro but you have to listen to his explanations
i just lamented crown bc i been loving it
the ms boost on passive, especially with mejai is so brazy u get like 420+ ms to zoom around w as an immobile mage
prisma ravine
a lot of these are aimed at pro but you have to listen to his explanations
Yeah thats the thing, they dont make sense when aimed at pro
There are only 3 commonly bought mythic items on pro junglers
Radiant Virtue and Night Harvester are 2 of those 3
He (mostly) gets the lethality mythics right though
Prowlers shouldve been in A and Eclipse should've been in B (its really good on a few bruisers, but not enough to make it A, and bad on assassins period)
wheat notch
wheat notch
Yeah thats the thing, they dont make sense when aimed at pro
this is the guy constantly shitting on pro itemisation
prisma ravine
Yeah, and also the guy who was trying to argue Katarina is better than Viktor in pro
Its no wonder C9 fired him
wheat notch
He left on his own accord didn't he 
dim kindle
not sure about that
prisma ravine
Nah he was let go
slim terrace
no definitely not
slim terrace
this is the guy constantly shitting on pro itemisation
in his defense for this in particular, this isn't even just LS
i.e. pros spamming the shit out of morello
prisma ravine
I mean, Morello was a cheap powerspike
In pro play spiking early has value
Same reason chainsword was so popular
eternal palm
Night harvester is a terrible item
Crown being terrible was a given. You literally stun your mythic power spike anytime you go crown
“Damn the passive procced, now I have have a glorified zhonyas stat wise till the cd resets”
prisma ravine
Night Harvester is BiS on Elise, Nidalee, Rumble, and a strong option on a couple other AP junglers and toplaners
"Terrible" it is not
Also I am perplexed why Varus players keep buying Eclipse even though the item is the worst mythic option on the new patch
And not even barely, its the worst option by a lot
dim kindle
They always say its for better dueling power in conjunction with HoB but doesnt really check out
in LCS today it was built vs ksante sej which makea sense maybe
just take all the percent pen you can get
prisma ravine
They always say its for better dueling power in conjunction with HoB but doesnt ...
It doesnt even make sense for that because Duskblade is better for that purpose still
And eh, I wouldn't buy it even then
You go Seryldas third or fourth item anyway
By then the only way Eclipses %pen does more than Prowlers flat lethality is if they have like, what
200-250 armour?
Which even K'sante and Sej usually don't get iirc
Plus you wanna mostly hit the squishy targets that definitely wont have that much armour
In general Eclipse rn is a hilariously overbought item
For some reason Zeds are also buying it below challenger
slim terrace
I mean, Morello was a cheap powerspike
a lot of analysts and casters pointed out how completing it early was a waste of gold
shit usually the item was bad unless you go into some shit like mundo rakq
prisma ravine
It ... doesnt though?
Wasn't rather
Completing it gave you 90 ap for 2500 gold
Thats a big spike
And the components were a lot less gold efficient
The item was strong because 90 ap for 2500 gold is a lot
And its a much earlier spike than, say, Shadowflame
Same logic as chainsword
eternal palm
90ap isn’t as big of a spike as you think it is, same reason why crown is kinda shit in 90% of scenarios
Morello pre buff moreso because the grevious wounds effect ended up doing laughably little in most games
Also like early spikes mean very little, when teams are extremely comfortable giving up early dragons
Also I play rumble mid, jungle and top and night harvester is def not bis
slim terrace
Morello pre buff moreso because the grevious wounds effect ended up doing laugha...
this was a big part yeah, it was pointed out a lot the grevious didn't do much
eternal palm
Yeah it’s just like
Also about chainsword, there’s a reason why everybody builds cleaver now
Despite chainsword being relatively the same
Because people realized black cleaver was just flat out the better item that the earlier spike with chainsword didn’t justify skipping it
prisma ravine
90 AP is a big spike, and 500 gold is a big time advantage
And people build cleaver now because cleaver got a big buff
Turns out 10% higher gold efficiency matters
Who knew
eternal palm
The “big buff” was 50 hp and 5 ad, that wouldn’t stop you from building chainsword for the earlier spike as you claim
Black cleaver was always the better item
prisma ravine
No it wasnt
But 10% is a big buff
Its better now
The early spike does still come up, but much less so
Crown is also not situational because of ap, its situational because it does very poorly into poke
The power of an earlier spike is also visible in morellos pickrate in pro
Now that it costs 500 gold more, its way less common
Most people just go Shadowflamd
Ls is just an analyst whose popularity baffles me, because he gets so many things so wrong
Katarina better in pro than Viktor 
dim kindle
200-250 armour?
they definitely do get that much
wheat notch
Night Harvester is BiS on Elise, Nidalee, Rumble, and a strong option on a coupl...
I'm 99% Rumbles best mythic is proto?
prisma ravine
they definitely do get that much
In that game they didnt
cursive falcon
hispanic boy?
slim terrace
seeing the art process on him was pretty cool, especially all the different designs on the thing he carries on his back
wheat notch
making league custom abilities is fun and also way too hard
prisma ravine
Abilities is easy, numbers is hard
dim kindle
base stats are the hardest imo
wheat notch
Abilities is easy, numbers is hard
well abilities r hard for me bc i push fucking jank lmao
wheat notch
ok but global dash (some of the time) jank? or champ specific summoner spells with an ult that removes their cd?
i killed the latter concept bc i couldn't think of how to make it work
prisma ravine
ok but global dash (some of the time) jank? or champ specific summoner spells wi...
Akali is the first one
wheat notch
well it's closer to old reksai but more restrictive
prisma ravine
What does stocking a stars eye even do?
wheat notch
wdym
prisma ravine
The passive on the R
It says you can stock stars eye, but it doesnt seem to do anything
wheat notch
the active?
prisma ravine
Oh its ammo for the active?
wheat notch
yeah
wheat notch
well i mean
it gives you blue trinket range mobility
and plopping 3+ down and trying to nuke someone doesnt sound tooooo bad
prisma ravine
Well
Depends on the AoE
And semi-global mobility like that isnt bad, but compare it to, say, Pantheons ult
It doesnt have the impact
wheat notch
the AoE is about as big as a Ziggs minefield iirc
since I was most familiar with those vibes/numbers for comparisons
prisma ravine
Well, consider Zyra and her seeds, especially pre-rework
And you can probably tell the issue youll run into
wheat notch
i was not there for pre rework
prisma ravine
Turns out trying to place down multiple seeds to combo is slow and without the big range that Zyras plants have, typically not super impactful
You basically need a teammate with cc to set you up if thats the goal
wheat notch
Their Q will probs cc I'm just thinking of how
current thought was like
slow, if star nearby, stuns/roots
prisma ravine
I still think the ult might be unsatisfying
It also might have the issue of being pro-skewed
Like Rek'Sais old ult was
wheat notch
I'm ok with that because I think it's cool
prisma ravine
Fair
wheat notch
the big satisfaction from ult would be like
prisma ravine
Personally I would probably move the E to the ult and vice versa if you want to keep the ult as is
wheat notch
q into r r r r r w (hilarity ensues)
prisma ravine
Both because otherwise pre-six you might have trouble fighting outside the lane
But also because level 3 teleport sounds ... a bit crazy
wheat notch
it might sound crazy but also like
u would probably be half an anivia in lane
the half that waveclears
and will not have kill threat pre 6 carto into bridges
ig malz would be more appropriate an example
wheat notch
I was thinking Q spawns a star at the end of it but idk what i want to do with passive and q
like my passive ideas are exactly
a) bonus stats if near stars, stacks
b) roots?? on circumstances??
prisma ravine
Could move the W passive to the passive and have the W be a stacking mechanic