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dim kindle
slim terrace
man
wheat notch
Oh now that ASol rework came I could finally check the most important Q for me
You can Q W
without cancelling Q
as a matter of fact, it resets your Q twice
chilly ivy
i just wanna play a custom with bots to test out asol, could you please behave?
eternal palm
Oh now that ASol rework came I could finally check the most important Q for me
Lmk how that goes. I heard from LS he feels like a completely different champion after 200 stacks of stardust or w.e the thing he collects is called
But also that he does way more damage in general
dim kindle
Well he has a stack mechanic that improves his abilities while he also getd to use an upgraded version of his ult every X stacks
like a corki package effectively
he scales pretty crazy but overall he still sorta has that roaming battlemage playstyle
but his flight is more about combat use rather than going a long distance to roam
compared to before
dim kindle
pen varus a bit mean when fed
eclipse giving haste instead of vamp feels incredibly nice for this build
prisma ravine
Why would you use Eclipse over either of the other assassin mythics?
Like youre buying an item that has strictly worse stats, and on a ranged character, barely does damage, barely shields you, and has a decently long cooldown
dim kindle
its good on varus straight up
eternal palm
The ability haste means more for a lot of characters
eternal palm
Even the #1 kha in NA builds eclipse most games and duskblade situationally
dim kindle
Anyway I also play this build to be not useless outside of poking which is why I run HoB
you can actually duel well
eternal palm
I always preferred on hit varus myself, that’s why I’m not playing varus rn
dim kindle
I really dont care much about the eclipse proc it doesnt matter much
why on hit is pretty good too
i was perma playing it on 13.1
This game pen was just better because of the draft
varus has 4 viable builds you can adjust to which is why he is such a great blindpick
eternal palm
It’s eh in this patch unless you’re vs a very specific comp. If you were going to go on hit, you were better off playing a diff champ atm imo. Though varus having that flexibility is nice
Didn’t the ap build get nerfed?
dim kindle
In 13.1 on hit was incredible but with the crit item changes it indirectly became a little weaker since everything else got buffed
but if they have a heavy melee dive comp its still a great option
This game they had a high range comp that I cant auto attack against and my team wants to just work towards letting yi go crazy so pen was just the best choice
low cdr r for plays
Ap varus didnt get nerfed in any way but its pretty rare to be the right build imo
but its there
thats honestly the best thing about pen varus
the low cd r you can keep making proactive plays with
prisma ravine
the pen + ms mythic bonus is very appealing
Thing is, since you want Seryldas anyway, its actually not as valuable
Especially compared to Prowlers lethality
And in terms of ability haste, Eclipse is the worst option of the assassin mythics
dim kindle
serylda cones very late
prisma ravine
And judging by the stats
Its the worst performing assassin mythic on Varus by a fair bit?
dim kindle
prowlers is complete shit
it does marginally more damage at 3 items but thats not all I care about
prisma ravine
It does significantly more damage at 1 item
dim kindle
It really doesnt
prisma ravine
6 lethality is huge
dim kindle
Ill take the haste any day
prisma ravine
Also has less haste
dim kindle
duskblade is quite decent for sure
prisma ravine
No I mean Prowlers
Prowlers gives you 60 AD, 20 AH and 18 lethality
Eclipse gives you 60 AD, 15 AH and 12 lethality
dim kindle
ok thats my bad I legit forgot that item has haste
prisma ravine
Eclipse just gives you less stats for the same cost
dim kindle
yeah I still prefer eclipse but ill play around with options more
wheat notch
Addendum to the Wintry special
I barely buy Amp. Tome anymore 
Sapphire Crystal letting me opt into Refill is too good imo
prisma ravine
Like straight up
wheat notch
wheat notch
Jayceism 
prisma ravine
Like youre losing stats for a passive thats pretty mediocre, and a mythic passive that is good, but conflicts with Seryldas when it really gets good
dim kindle
think skipping serylda is potentially fine
prisma ravine
Ehhh
dim kindle
Duskblade has the issue that you overstack AH a little bit
prisma ravine
By 3 legendaries you have 12% armour pen
Thats a bit low compared to Seryldas 30%
Yeah Duskblade is probably my second choice
Prowlers has an active thats pretty meh
But it just has the best stats
dim kindle
thing is if I see a comp that mandates a lot of percent pen im probably not playing lethality varus in that lobby anyway
Though it becomes a little harder to tell with stuff like jax who get like 200 armor from pressing a button
prisma ravine
Yeah but 12% is also like
wheat notch
Completely unrelated to this can I say that Astronaut Xerath skin looks hateful
prisma ravine
Not that much?
If youre aiming for low armour comps, 15 lethality is probably better
wheat notch
I only recognised it because I remember him being one of the champs 😭
Dark Star solos anyway
dim kindle
but fair enough I will try more prowler stuff
prisma ravine
Thats just my personal take
prisma ravine
If Eclipse gets buffed to have the same stats as the other two mythics (it really should)
Id consider it
Also change its passive to be better for assassins and worse for bruisers
prisma ravine
They all get ms
dim kindle
I do think zed has use case for that
prisma ravine
Again, the stats kinda screw with that
Its fine on some bruisers because they use the passive really well
dim kindle
WAIT THEY ALL GIVE MS?
prisma ravine
... yeah?
dim kindle
oh man
prisma ravine
That was a universal buff to assassin mythics early last year
dim kindle
I remember when they patched that
but i forgor
i havent played any assassins in a hot minute
prisma ravine
Same amount too
dim kindle
on that note hydra feels nice on pen varus too but its a little too greedy
also @eternal palm try navori varus its really fun
dim kindle
is this jayce
wheat notch
yeah.
dim kindle
has to be jayce
prisma ravine
Jayce is not a ranged champ 
It makes sense on Jayce tbh, he stays in fights long enough to proc it repeatedly
He is like half a bruiser
Khas burst is just too high to warrant eclipse
prisma ravine
Lemme check smthg on Jayce
dim kindle
jayce trade pattern works quite well with eclipse proc
prisma ravine
Depends on what values of the eclipse passive it uses
Based on the form he is in
Hmmm
Tough one
The ranged version is terrible, but the melee one is good
dim kindle
i mean idk but when you play vs jayce you can see the proc do a lot of work
He q auto es you away and runs
dim kindle
procs eclipse which shields most of the minion damage
prisma ravine
Its the ranged one that sucks, because its basically 1/4 as good as the melee one
dim kindle
like it just works well on him inherently
e q in gun transform to hammer q auto e run
ms + shield gets you out of the trade
kinda funny how good it is on him
prisma ravine
Yeah makes sense then
Like the main users of eclipse rn should be
Riven, Heca, ...
Oh and Panth
Maybe Xin
Everyone else should be going fighter mythic or a different assassin mythic
dim kindle
id say its quite dead on bruisers without omni
riven just goes gore
I always thought the eclipse build was shit on hec but it definitely saw play
prisma ravine
Eh
Losing omni hurts, but Riven uses the passive really really well
I wouldnt say its her best item
Just that she is one of the best users
Defo the best item on Panth tho
dim kindle
Panth for sure yh
Riven is just incredible with the very bruisery gore BC build
crazy strong
prisma ravine
Its an option, but it seems Eclipse is more common and performs a bit better
Oh and, as expected, on assassins eclipse is not good
Only Zed players are coping on it at all (which surprises me actually, figured it'd be Qiyana players) but Prowlers is better
dim kindle
qiyana otps play prowlers because of the crazy animation cancel combo with it
well the really cracked qiyana players
dim kindle
yeah its from those wild chinese qiyana otps that just cause her to be perma banned on the superserver
prisma ravine
Wild
severe cairn
btw
aurelion sol is broken, if you're playing midlane I highly recommend perma banning him over anyone else
just played vs him as kat and
we were able to win since no one built MR but still
prisma ravine
Is he?
Hm, high pickrate but not the expected huge drop in win rate you should see
That seems to indicate he is yeah
You think some of it might be players not knowing how to play vs him yet?
prisma ravine
Doesnt he just lose to a stun, or even a root if he is in his W?
dim kindle
it stops his flight but he doesnt "lose" to it
his q has permanent uptime still and he builds battlemage
he seems very strong
atm
but not like astro broken just a little too good
kinda like syndra after her update
Think he's really cool though
meanwhile annie though
severe cairn
my team was tilting and running around the map after we got baron but I just decided I wanted to win so I walked down mid and one-shot literally everyone
prisma ravine
it stops his flight but he doesnt "lose" to it
Unless the wiki is lying, he should get stunned if he gets rooted mid-flight
No wait
Knocked down, not stunned
Also apparently you can spam q to proc muramana over and over
dapper kite
Twitter
chilly ivy
Is he?
from my first impressions (and mind you, we played aram with friends), asol is broken af
g1 i was naut and built a decent amount of mr and still got melted
the fact that with rylais the e is practically a wall and r provides additional insulation, it's hard to reach him without dashes, and even if you do he will melt you in 2-3 seconds
even if you cc him, if he's smart he would have kept w to to fly the fuck away, then get a reset when you eventually die horribly
q's range is also very stupid at 18
g2 i played him myself and we won handily even though i played him the first time, and did the most damage (or idr, maybe their asol did)
surprisingly, he has a low skill floor
which you wouldn't expect when you look at him
it only took me a few fights to get my bearings around him and the hardest thing about his kit is knowing when to use the w glide defensively or offensively
cause if you don't get a reset, he's a tower, and ppl can just move away if they're not in range
if they are tho
there is no escape
like, imagine you're kayn
you're fucking around in a lane
a dragon breathes on you for 1s
you lose half hp
?????///
severe cairn
I love how they make every champ broken except for the ones I play
so now I have to choose whether I perma-ban vex, asol, zac, or sylas
wheat notch
q's range is also very stupid at 18
It's really dumb in lane too
chilly ivy
at least in lane channeling it above a second uses half your mana
wheat notch
bc you q w and after you stop flying your q duration resets
idk if it drains mana pre 9
wheat notch
ive no idea how hr works i just tested if i could w mid q
but yeah like if you q then w it resets duration for w tuen resets again after u finish flight
or maybe it doesn't reset and carries leftover duration i didnt test that much
wheat notch
at least in lane channeling it above a second uses half your mana
yeah ok i did my small test you can get so much time off even w/o maxed q
You can get off like 10 seconds of Q by lasting out Q, then W, then Q fully resets after W
dim kindle
https://twitter.com/RiotPhreak/status/1623763368384557057?s=20&t=O9N4qrhO8oNvfza...
i mean kinda normal when a champ had such a small dedicated fanbase that maybe dont like the new ome as much
regular mid laners are gonna try him 5 games then either add them to their pool or move on
am i missing something?
New asol is a way better design imo but with reworls there is always dedicated players feeling unsatisfied
prisma ravine
What I dont get is
Isnt this Phreak admitting that Asol indeed did have a lot more mains than average?
dim kindle
Well I think he is just trying to kick off a conversation with a mild implication that previous asol otps arent happy
Just starting a thread I suppose
prisma ravine
That ... doesnt really make sense because previous asol opts are so small in number that they would barely be a blip
dapper kite
Twitter
slim terrace
not to mention he's either first picked or banned in my experience
dim kindle
Yeah probably hard to get him a lot of games in a row
bit left field from phreak
or its a joke/bait
prisma ravine
I wouldnt put it past grinders to accomplish it anyway
slim terrace
I've played against him a bunch, he seems really strong
dim kindle
yeah he is
prisma ravine
I just find it funny that abusing the muramana bug isnt even good because he does more damage normally
dim kindle
i was watching nemesis earlier and its crazy how easy asol gets mid prio when you put 2-3 points in e first
And then he goes in enemy jgl and harrasses jgl or steals camps with q e over the wall lol
he will definitely see pro play
chilly ivy
do they go like
dim kindle
since e executes they just lose their camp without smite
chilly ivy
3 levels in e then max q
dim kindle
yeah
2-3
i saw him do both not sure probably figuring out certain thresholds for killing melee minions in one rotation
early
wheat notch
I've played against him a bunch, he seems really strong
I had 1 game against him in lane and he felt really easy to handle but I couldn't do shit late game, don't know if that's my champ, asol, or their comp, though
felt really manageable as ziggs but maybe he was bad? he was like m5 though
chilly ivy
asol is kinda shit in lane
wheat notch
ran his mouth the fucker said it was an easy game it sure will be when our top gives up at level 7
chilly ivy
he needs his stacks
wheat notch
his shove does piss me off
chilly ivy
well yeah he can do that
wheat notch
man why cant the bomber have better waveclear
fr
give the damage amplifier on ziggs r again i wont use this nefariously
chilly ivy
asol has more clear because the breath is 50-80 mana a second
wheat notch
lemme find the game
chilly ivy
and the e costs a bit too
wheat notch
Wrath
Like I get a kill by min. 3, die by gank, int under tower bc my mouse was being wack, still be 7/2 by 16
then
Thresh and Shyv didn't do that great
dim kindle
still trying to solve how jhin manages to always look completely useless and really good at the same time
eternal palm
If my adc locks in jhin, I’m dodging
Err correction
If my adc locks jhin , and the opposite team has more than .5 tanks
I’m dodging
dim kindle
he is not actually that bad into tanks to be honest
bit of a myth
its bad if he is your only threat
but thats true for a few marksman
eternal palm
The issue is. Most jhins don’t know their role
slim terrace
how does op.gg list you as the 2nd best player but also puts your shyvana as the best on your team 
slim terrace
I had 1 game against him in lane and he felt really easy to handle but I couldn'...
I think he's just a scaling champ
wheat notch
how does op.gg list you as the 2nd best player but also puts your shyvana as the...
same score
it just picks one as ace instead of both or neither
slim terrace
huh fun coincidence
wheat notch
u can tell from how there's no 3rd place
dim kindle
back in the trash can I belong
why are games from last season still displayed on your w/l display?
prisma ravine
Small indie company
severe cairn
the code for league is fucking ancient dude
every time I open the client or get out of a game I get my chat restriction pop up
slim terrace
he 1v1ed her multiple times
also see: lategame roa kassadin with 9k damage, ezreal with the second least in the game
if evelynn wasn't sniping people in our own jungle that game would've ended like 15 minutes prior tho lol
slim terrace
cass into short range 
wheat notch
Asol got hotfix nerfed
i don't see it
chilly ivy
Uh i saw a youtuber talk about it
Maybe it's somewhere else, idk lemme check
Not on a pc rn
prisma ravine
chilly ivy
Ye
Asol was counter jungling according to glover
E dmg is kinda eh, just that he can't fire and forget e to farm stacks
eternal palm
Good hits to Annie supp
Idt people realize how big the passive change is for her
The ability to start Q can outright win you games at level 1
Well lane
dim kindle
asol nerfs look pretty big on paper but I think he will still be nice
also holy shit i didnt know annie has that much armor per level
prisma ravine
Its because her level 1 armour is bad
Pre-patch her level 18 armour was like, 108
By up-close mage standards thats ... about average?
Neeko, Morg, Viktor and Swain all have more for example
Lissandra was like 3-ish less
dim kindle
guess to keep her out of bot
wheat notch
dapper kite
Twitter
eternal palm
it's super easy to reproduce too
Yeah I mean it’s basic biology
slim terrace
I didn't manage to trigger it in testing, I think I did it wrong
wheat notch
I love when random's decide the game is actually over and start doing Nothing
(Renata)
fight over soul and shes just chilling in base fending off super minions?? girl what
chilly ivy
I didn't manage to trigger it in testing, I think I did it wrong
i pressed r right after w, on the location where i pressed the w
hit it 9/10 times
wheat notch
dapper kite
grats win3
wheat notch
thanks fishfearm3
severe cairn
small indie company
wheat notch
Wait, does the ranked game counter not reset anymore?
it counts preszn
severe cairn
it doesn't reset because there's no way I played 600 games in preseason
prisma ravine
Yeah Id also be concerned if wintry played 700 games already
slim terrace
is two shells are better than one still bugged
dim kindle
wint catching up to me nooo
wheat notch
wint catching up to me nooo
Oh you'll be fine you don't even grind near daily
dim kindle
Yeah I cant really
wheat notch
You'd be in an entirely different realm if you played as much as me
chilly ivy
yeah, he'd be ulted by morde a lot more
wheat notch
He would also be
not afraid of me catching up
OK so if I win the next 9 games in a row - I'm Diamond IV
the grind is so cringe
chilly ivy
gl wintry
wheat notch
Off to a great start
Have a smurf which is cool except I "took" one kill from Aphelios and he decided to ragesplit for the rest of the game
Extremely mentally stable individual
I'm gonna take a nap.
played this game like shit, 90% it's bc of eepy
wheat notch
Now I get matched into a smurf duo and FoN is still one of the fairest items ever designed 😀
Who cares that I have Void Staff and do %dmg off of Liandry's when I can just be outsustained by Conqueror because I do no damage against 25% damage reduc
I hope they remove it eventually, but I know they won't
wheat notch
My opposing laner was Grandmaster last season
But yeah fuck it +13 to you
Ah it was GM Flex, D3 SoloQ
prisma ravine
LP gains have felt fucked for a while ngl
dim kindle
Aphelios buffs pump that shit straight into my veins
i need an excuse to play him more
wheat notch
-17 lp
because olaf decides winning is not what he wants to do
and ruins the game when we're at nexus
joyous
who likes winning anyway
wheat notch
I've demoted and gotten back into Plat I twice now
Enough League for the morning I think
dim kindle
more wins than losses ez
wheat notch
Ziggs sweep 🔥 (+14)
dim kindle
God im having so much fun on my top lane account
wheat notch
I may be bad at converting leads
prisma ravine
Dont like how impactful jungle is rn ngl
Feels like if you get the bad jungler its gg
wheat notch
Well I went 6/1/4 as you can see, First Blood included
prisma ravine
Oh that was entirely unrelated to what you posted
wheat notch
skull
prisma ravine
I had a warwick jungle in my game who had the impressive ability to not gank
And also always be on the wrong side of map for all objectives
severe cairn
dude it is fucking OVER
they buffed Riven now I have to play her
it's a huge buff too what the fuck
yeah okay now she can splitpush too
inner vapor
isn't that a league person
sullen crystal
ye
sinful frost
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/tl-dw-champions-lore-modes-more-dev-diary/ https://leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-state-of-modes-2023/ https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/champion-pricing-update/
sinful frost
They're doing it for some
I remember Singed
prisma ravine
Also not sure why Lee is getting an ASU
severe cairn
holy shit I am loving that lee sin ASU
prisma ravine
No actually I know why
It just sucks that there are plenty of champs that need it more
severe cairn
uno lee sin is a wacky flippy kung fu man I think he could use one
prisma ravine
Its Ovven, and sure, but again, others could use it more
severe cairn
plus they said they're working on more faster so it's not like dire cases have to wait yeaaaaars
severe cairn
oh lemme check mine
also mb everyone else calls you uno so I thought that's what you go by
sinful frost
We've gotten better at calling him Ovven
prisma ravine
Worse creator Viktor (I own viktor), Psy Ops Pyke (I have the legendary Pyke I like more), Battle Academia Katarina (Actually a fine one), Shockblade Zed (I know its the main skin but its mehhh), Count Kassadin (I already have the good Kassadin skin) and Crystal Rose Swain (Not a bad one, I just already have Hextech Swain)
Yeah, thankfully
severe cairn
prisma ravine
Its just on an older server I was on
severe cairn
tempted by that xin one
prisma ravine
Is that Bee Orianna?
severe cairn
or-bee-anna
sinful frost
I'll check my personalized shop after work
severe cairn
the weird part is I uh
prisma ravine
Granted the "your shop" has the problem of being based on my most played champs
And uh
I already have skins for all of them
Wait
Why am I not getting any Khas?
He is my most played champ rn
sinful frost
It's weighted towards recents, isn't it?
severe cairn
don't play ori? like at all?
sinful frost
Do you play Mid?
severe cairn
from left to right
sinful frost
I meant Toast
Does toast play mid
prisma ravine
The only skin I want from Kha is probably Odyssey Kha
Or Mecha Kha just to have it on this account since its still his best
severe cairn
Yone: I abused Yone for like 20 games a couple weeks ago
Kass: I used to main Kass on my old account like 6 years ago funnily enough
Akali: I don't play Akali much but I do own Star Guardian Akali
Viego: yeah I play him
Xin Zhao: probably my most infamous champ among people I play league with
Orianna: I like her but I've been putting more time into Ahri
I might get Marauder Xin Zhao, actually
sinful frost
severe cairn
AVERAGE OF 22
YES
THANK YOU
HOLY SHIT
PLEASE ALSO LOOK INTO TIER SKIPPING
I SHOULD NOT WIN 20 YONE GAMES IN A ROW AND NOT SKIP A TIER
ANOTHER GOOD CHANGE
dim kindle
think lee is a great ASU candidate
popular slightly wonky model
though teemo should get his faster
severe cairn
We’re bringing over some skins debuted in Wild Rift, including Star Guardian Seraphine, Redeemed Star Guardian Xayah, and Redeemed Star Guardian Rakan. No timelines yet, but we’ll let you know.
PLEASE
PLEAAAAAAAASE
GIFT US MYTHMAKER GWEN
dim kindle
i would really like ASU for mf to make her more lore accurate and get a new VO
dunno why in game mf is still just titty pirate costume
severe cairn
btw I refuse to use my remaining 1675 RP
until Gwen gets an 1820 skin
or a really good 1350 skin
it's been over a year
it's been 14 months
sinful frost
dunno why in game mf is still just titty pirate costume
They tried to give her a new VO a few years ago
It didn't stick because, for better or worse, "sexy pirate fantasy" is still a major draw for the character
Riot has been trying to find a middle way for some time
slim terrace
femme fatale is the middle ground between those two
as it has been for many characters, even in league
dim kindle
we litteraly have who mf is already the game just doesnt reflect it
severe cairn
okay I know what gwen needs
she needs a skin where she has poofy long sleeves
that's all she needs
wheat notch
dim kindle
im not sure this is really a good thing but I do understand the slow climb frustration
severe cairn
no it is
an amazing change
think of it this way
if I want to climb from silver 4 to silver 3 I have to win either 7 games in a row, a monumental task that is just not possible, or I have to space out my climb of like 5-7 games a day, winning more than I lose
all that to climb 1 division is just not fair, especially when you have the issues in low elo
now I only have to win 5 games in a row, a lot more achievable, and it can pour over into the next ranks
if I start at 0 lp silver 4 if I win 5 games in a row to get to silver 3, I only have to win 4 more games after that to climb to silver 2
it rewards people for doing well and more importantly doing well consistently
dim kindle
yes and the issue is that in game mf reflects no single part of her cool character and story
dim kindle
asol is autowin after 30 mins
wheat notch
sinful frost
prisma ravine
Its meh as that too tbh
dim kindle
Mecha draven is kinda funny but i dont think id actually use it
i like the heels on it though it fits draven in a meme way
wheat notch
the only my shop skin thag appealed to me was 60% off on darkstar xerath
but lol playing xerath and i already have guardian of the sands
wheat notch
i just want major ziggs but they keep giving me other skins
pool party this tine arcanist last time i think
severe cairn
T1 lost game 1 to LSB and in game 2 they won with a 20k gold lead
wheat notch
ziggs in easy despite having worse skillshots than the "more difficult" artilleries 😭
severe cairn
I think the difficulty of a champ is partially tied in to their viability
I'd say champions like skarner are hard to play not out of fundamental mechanics but because no items are good on him
chilly ivy
i think i'd dissagree with half of this list lol
severe cairn
also why does everyone rank xerath as super hard
it's not even bragging but hitting his abilities is super easy
chilly ivy
yeah you only need to practice a little
i think the person who did this doesn't understand that champions with simpler kits really rely on your other mechanics to be good
cause usually complexity lets you face roll through some things
severe cairn
have to disagree
at a certain skill threshhold you will have to have good macro to compete
chilly ivy
i'm not talking macro
i'll take sona as an example
her kit is super simple
one skillshot you only have to use every minute or so
severe cairn
viego
chilly ivy
but you have to exactly know her ranges, you have to exactly know your opponent's ranges, and you have to intuitively understand when shielding a guy by touching them is worth dying from moving into the adc's range
knowing ranges is fundamental, sure, but it's usually more pronounced on her imo
severe cairn
I agree on that but I think Soraka is an even better example
wheat notch
also why does everyone rank xerath as super hard
My main assumption is just
The champ is fucking bad, some other high elo fucko said he has no winning lane m/us which at least Ziggs gets to be prideful about but I still would rate Ziggs as more difficult than Xappy or, like, Veigar lmao
severe cairn
the caption is high skill ceiling
slim terrace
my dude put zilean in toddler tier damn
slim terrace
i just want major ziggs but they keep giving me other skins
why though, skin is super mid tbh
wheat notch
why though, skin is super mid tbh
It's a cool splash art + funny hat + ratio
U don't understand the lengths I would pursue for my son to wear a funny hat
because the lengths aren't that lengthy, I don't wanna buy a battle pass for hextech ziggs for example
slim terrace
arcanist still has the best funny hat + effects tbh
wheat notch
it's ok to be wrong komi
slim terrace
yeah but I'm right here so it's also okay 😎
wheat notch
I have more ziggs mastery than u therefore I am right and you are wrong
slim terrace
weird you'd think with that much mastery you'd arrive at the correct opinion
chilly ivy
idt you're winning this wintry
wheat notch
idt you're winning this wintry
I can't believe Komi has takes as bad as Thugs does about itemisation
and a certain Yu-Gi-Oh! Cyberse stratagem
wheat notch
3rd best Ziggs skin..
slim terrace
eh probably second but sure
wheat notch
yk i was gonna diss u for disrespecting hex ziggs but wow that skin has no personality
that ult looks so bad
sinful frost
eternal palm
Viego isn’t easy lol
Like yeah if you get your first reset early, cleaning up the fight itself is straightforward
But knowing how to properly team fight with viego is still a thing
Ivern should be up a tier in terms of hardness
Especially when you consider lane ivern
Khazix being moderate and lillia being easy is kinda ??? For me. I play a lot of kha, been playing a decent amount of lillia recently, and lillia is def harder than kha
prisma ravine
https://twitter.com/Pusi_Puu/status/1626228951424335874?t=vjbnvKzLXDo21VpkwrB5KQ...
Lmao that list is so wack
dim kindle
overall at a glance without overanalying every choice the general idea of it is pretty solid in my opinion
eternal palm
Eh, the toddler list can and should def be over analyzed
prisma ravine
Idea is fine, but at a glance I can see a lot of very very wrong placements
eternal palm
Ashe being toddler is a big ???. Unless it’s strictly talking about Ashe support
Ashe adc in solo q is a good way to ask yourself why you didn’t pick a more mobile adc
prisma ravine
Like lets see
We know Katarina is 2 tiers too low
We know Ivern is 4 tiers too low
Singed is two tiers too low
eternal palm
And seeing how pusi is no pro, I know he ain’t talking about 5v5
prisma ravine
Inversely Varus is two tiers too high, Nami is two tiers too high
And thats just the ones we know for sure
eternal palm
Rumble is one tier too low. Like, again, a melee mage who got mostly pushed out of top lane and had to go mid/jungle to find more favorable matchups, ult is game changing but min/maxing your dps isn’t easy
Also heat control is a thing
prisma ravine
Now if we go past the purely objective wrong parts and to the subjective(ish)
Ezreal is way too high
Yasuo is a tier too high, Riven is a tier too high
Qiyana is a tier too low
Tryndamere is two tiers too high
Nilah is at least one tier too high, but probably two (actually braindead champ lmao)
eternal palm
I actually think Rengar is a tier too high. Idk what the pick ratio for rengar is, but lack of presence does not = hard champ. I personally just find rengar’s niche to be boring
prisma ravine
Oh yeah no, Rengar is too high
Oh and Yuumi in "toddler" lmao
Yeah no this list is shite
dim kindle
cant complain about getting carried but i litteraly got to do nothing this game except watch everyone else have fun lmao
dim kindle
thing is i saw everyone hovering their character and i was just like yeah ok this is a varus relax and sitback game
Definitely need to play more if i want to keep up mechanically long term in these lobbies at this point
severe cairn
what elo is this
dim kindle
d2
is what most ppl are i check
everyone else is lower with high mmr
blue kayns have been on complete crack in my games since the buffs
every game they just go wild
wheat notch
is what most ppl are i check
oh yeah don't worry about me catching up i just demoted to p2 again
loss streaked while playing rlly bad
for ref
dim kindle
you should really reconsider seraphs imo
wheat notch
you should really reconsider seraphs imo
why
i am frail, the shield won't help me in most situations, this happens with crown too and crown is an even better defensive
the 23~ (i forgor the actual number) ap it gives over sflame doesn't outdamage the magic pen, though, to be fair, I haven't tried it with Rabadons 3rd
starting with tear is somehow less mana than sapphire crystal and if i dont start it having it stacked to 360 isn't even guaranteed so it might delay my first TWO items instead of buying arch 2nd
It's just a stat stick to my champ, and I have better stat sticks available
wheat notch
You can’t teach an old dog new tricks
as if my current strategy isn't something I literally came up with checks notes at the end of december? is that not new to you? is the continuation of the idea, where I replaced amp tome with mana crystal in january, not new? do you think I haven't played with seraphs post changes to find out how i feel about it?
u can't say this shit to me of all people when i change my runes in various ways all the time and theorise skill max order to a less extreme extent, but still more than most of the ziggs mains community, just because you have some personal vendetta against the only good mage legendary
i dont do that with items because there's barely any items, i, as an artillery mage, would want
and even then I tested Cosmic Drive, Horizon pre and post revert to 100ap
Crown too
Lucidity Boots as well
I can literally play 5 games on sunday all on Seraph's 2nd/3rd and still say "this item is ass dude" if you really want me to
Literally send me a build +runes +sums and I'll do it
wheat notch
i am frail, the shield won't help me in most situations, this happens with crown...
Minor additional comment: if I buy Archangel's I can no longer buy Shadowflame ever because my build is static 5 items that I always need otherwise, the only variance is build order. This would also make me less damage overall which is somewhat of a bummer since I can't skip out on Rabadon's/Void/Morello, which is why I always sell Dark Seal even if it's at 10 stacks later on
slim terrace
god this feels so fucking good
going with a team who knows how to all-in on an all-in comp and just deleting squishies
especially making sure that twitch feeds cause fuck twitch lol
slim terrace
also tfw you only occasionally play normals
thank god I can get rid of a ton of these next patch
prisma ravine
Uh
I dont think you can get rid of mastery shards
Also how do you have a chest but no key fragments
slim terrace
I dont think you can get rid of mastery shards
"get rid of" in this case means "upgrade"
slim terrace
Also how do you have a chest but no key fragments
have you never run out of keys/fragments 🤨
slim terrace
can't relate, I don't think I log on more than I play different champs
severe cairn
thinking on it
J4 could really use an ASU
and a splash art update
a badass pompous yet progressive prince who fights on the frontlines with his men and is in love with a magic half-dragon bastard who would be executed by his own people if they found her out
and the gameplay doesn't really reflect this
dim kindle
i like j4s kit so asu would be good
severe cairn
wheat notch
i scooch between minion and in control
I would use the "both teams ace" if it had the beta name that was like Ace A-Tourney instead of just Ace
prisma ravine
Oh, the Ahri ASU is live?
Thats probably the best one we got in a while
Because it fixed her E lmao
severe cairn
it really is
prisma ravine
Like her E animation is no longer fucked
Especially on skins
No more "I dodged that" only to get hit by the much bigger hitbox you cant see
severe cairn
my only gripe is you can't Q cheese people anymore but it's fine
I really like the updates otherwise
prisma ravine
Q cheese?
severe cairn
her Q animation was way shorter than the hitbox so you Q right in front of someone and they move towards it when it reaches the apex because they think they've dodged it but it hits them anyways
and it gets them on both procs
severe cairn
yeah, hitbox is now accurate
dim kindle
nothing beats naut q
wheat notch
no more lollypopping pls and thx
wheat notch
gloveman u didnt tell me why i shld reconsider tear
dim kindle
right I totally forgot about that
my thoughts on it are the following
- early reset tear in theory sounds like to me it would help in a lot of match ups to have the freedom to spam q as much as you need
- I dont know math on 2 item strength but I assume shadowflame does do more damage, I just assume its not a very big amount
- I absolutely agree that seraphs shield has inherently less value on a champ like ziggs compared to a battlemage; I however have a hard time believing that its as useless as you say it is
anyhow I think I came off very wrong about it and I am sorry about that
wheat notch
by early reset do u mean buying it post start or after u recall when u start w it
dim kindle
I mean buying on your first base
wheat notch
bc its base mana is less than sapph crystal but idk if the bonus mana is like instantly given to u or if u need to regen it
chilly ivy
The user preserves their current mana whenever they increase their maximum mana from consuming charges of MANA CHARGE
chilly ivy
not neccesarily, but more or less, yeah
idt manaflow regen increases by an amount that'd be relavant
severe cairn
naut q you say?
sorry for ping but
chilly ivy
yes
severe cairn
I love this frame
chilly ivy
the champ hook hitbox is bigger btw, and naut creates a new hook when he actually pulls, so you get weird shit like this
wheat notch
- I dont know math on 2 item strength but I assume shadowflame does do more dama...
I can test this tomorrow my bigger gripe w it is that it replaces sflame entirely unless i forego morello or void which are both rly good. the haste it has is a little appealing
plus i sometimes don't have it fully stacked by the time i buy archangels so im sitting on an item at half effectiveness 🧍♀️
I may be underrating the shield I can try it again but E costing 110mana late shaves a lot of the shields effectiveness while waveclearing
dim kindle
on another note
I see comet is still most common on ziggs
id personally lean more towards first strike
needing to throw e at champs in lanefor comet to actually land sounds pretty meh to me
wheat notch
Yeah I just roll w Aery cause it's consistent
wheat notch
I tried FS once but I didn't like the dmg dealt tho maybe I just played bad
wheat notch
since I was just thinking "is there a point if i do chip dmg and get less cash than if i did a more extensive trade"
dim kindle
but it takes a bit to get used to making most use of it
chilly ivy
hmm i should try first strike
dim kindle
it also scales better
wheat notch
also i dont really like the last inspo row lmao
dim kindle
Also FS is mostly not about lane
wheat notch
i only want shoes plus debt
dim kindle
Most ppl think fs is about lane but its actually more a scaling rune
severe cairn
I see a lot of ahri mains complain about the buff she's getting
wheat notch
That makes it sound less appealing to me to be honest
severe cairn
they say she needs more damage than survivability
but all of them build everfrost
dim kindle
That makes it sound less appealing to me to be honest
understandable yh
wheat notch
bc in my opinion ziggs is best pre 20-25 mins and then he starts falling off
dim kindle
aery page is the stronger lane page
wheat notch
lane is big for me esp bc plates gaming
severe cairn
I assume ziggs doesn't roam like at all
dim kindle
if they roam you get more gold from their tower than they did on the kill
wheat notch
he does
chilly ivy
i personally like hovering towards bot or top after clearing waves to throw a r
chilly ivy
a well timed w is also cute for ganks
severe cairn
is ziggs R global global or is it just a really big range
dim kindle
you cant afk in lane in league anymore
severe cairn
makes sense
wheat notch
like im just saying comet sounds bad to me
8 game sample size is obv xd but i did this a while ago
i think u can outrun comet on lv1 e bc its only 10% but im unsure on that
dim kindle
you're spot on
dim kindle
at 6 items you get a small power up again assumedly because of elder dragon contests
dim kindle
id always take scorch i think
wheat notch
bc i sometimes look at gs and think surely this has to outdo scorch
like at 30 mins at least
30 is 48ap right
wheat notch
I think LS shitted on it in the context of pro play but ik that doesn't apply to me
wheat notch
yea
mildly unrelated thoughts on skipping e until lv7 i hate that thing but it does technically outdmg the 2nd point in w if you hit 3 landmines (2 if u have less than 100ap)
feel like id rather save 2 seconds on w
chilly ivy
hmm i think the utility is too good to pass on
wheat notch
it's only a 10% slow ☹️
and it doesnt 2 shot with q half the time unless i get a really good angle
chilly ivy
the slow is still a slow imo, i've saved my jungle too many times with it to pass on imo
dim kindle
its an okay enough 1 point wonder imo
especially because it deters ppl from walking through chokes
wheat notch
i was gonna test it out but im still rlly uncertain on it
chilly ivy
even a 10% slow still makes them slower and out of melee range
throwing a eq at their jungler is a nice way to make them fuck off from your jungler in a skirmish, if they're both low
they might not if you only throw q
dim kindle
more important to me is that if you toss it into a jungle entrance ppl will litteraly sit in front of it
and wait
dim kindle
like even if it was correct to just tank it a lot of ppl wont
dim kindle
fair
wheat notch
It has utility but I never feel good casting it in lane besides using it to reset my passive in an extended trade
chilly ivy
i've felt that it happens semi-often and lv4-5
i think they fight for the crab in top?
that's when i happens
wheat notch
i dont think i go there bc im tryna get chapter and bail lmao
chilly ivy
i'm still not too good at macro to notice why they're there, but at least i see that they're brawling
i'm kinda conditioned to try and help
dim kindle
i've felt that it happens semi-often and lv4-5
There is basically 2 ways to jungle early game at the moment
A) You clear one side of the jungle, then gank the lane on that side, base, then go to the other side of your jungle, crab then go back to the first side you started where its now respawning (This is pretty much the meta)
B) Full clear your entire jungle, go crab, go lane or base
on B junglers can meet on the same crab and then its whoever works better together or gives
dim kindle
On B you get level 4 so you are strong as fuck
on that crab fight
id say B is the low elo standard
but also in low elo ppl do random shit so more unpredictable unironically
chilly ivy
i just take that as "shit happens" and just go help
dim kindle
and obviously good junglers maks variations to catch ppl offguard too
chilly ivy
cause if their mid helps first, i get flak for it
dim kindle
To be honest 90% of the time its just better to always help because of morale and how important your jgler is
even if his play is dumb as fuck
severe cairn
dim kindle
Does anyone have info on how crescendum (aphelios) is supposed to work with different attackspeed sources?
Generally AS is supposed to make them return faster but there is a lot of inconsistency
like LT used to not work at all with it not sure if it does now
prisma ravine
AS increases their speed
dim kindle
yeah issue is that some stuff doesnt properly increase it and im not sure whats intended and what is not
ill see if the wiki got anything
prisma ravine
I think everything but your base attack speed should increase it
But its not like, a huge jump
Yeah Lethal Tempo seems to work
wheat notch
- I absolutely agree that seraphs shield has inherently less value on a champ li...
Wintry coming back at ya with extremely non-biased, very high sample-sized games of (1) one
Triggered Seraph's twice in about 15 minutes, first time it did nothing (noted as blocking 51~ damage), 2nd time it saved me from Death By Mordekaiser™️ (blocking about 450 damage) but I still ended up dying by a Caitlyn flank somehow
In conclusion didn't feel that good but this game is a very poor example anyway
prisma ravine
Idk how I feel about new ASol
humble glacier
asol has similar themes of grandeur and stars
but went from a playstyle that was like "enforce gravity aka keep them within your star orbit"
to
"spray stardust at anything in range, and you now have an in combat dash
"
prisma ravine
Surprisingly my issue isnt with his kit iself, I think it works fine and fulfills the "big fuck-off dragon" fantasy better
But its got the Nilah issue of stupid scaling
Where in the early game you suck, in the lategame you can just shut off your brain
wheat notch
cursive falcon
mage moment
prisma ravine
Dont you love it when Naut Qs you through 2 minions?
wheat notch
Really love Sylas being able to buy more AP than me, while being infinitely more tanky and deal more damage than a dedicated glass cannon
Seems extremely fair methinks
severe cairn
the fact that sylas can build zhonya's is
yikes!
and ROA's mythic passive is 5 ability haste?
yikes!
prisma ravine
Ironically thats typically the worst mythic passive
prisma ravine
Its decent yeah
severe cairn
genuinely to deal with sylas as a champ now and forever they should adjust him purely to be a bruiser and toss him into toplane forever
the equivalent to getting sent to the eighth circle of hell
severe cairn
the bigger problem is his ratios are absolutely fucked
40/90 on his Q, 90 on his W, 100 on his E
dim kindle
he kinda needs high ratios but he is fucking stupid when he spikes midgame at 2-3 items
prisma ravine
Ironically that was an attempt to de-glass-cannon him
severe cairn
25 on his passive which doesn't seem that bad but you get 5 rotations of your passive
prisma ravine
Lower base, higher scaling
dim kindle
ye
but he is basically a cursed ap assassin ap bruiser hybrid that has some wild power spike moments
severe cairn
I think they should definitely try to experiment with higher base lower scaling
this is, of course, only in relation to making him a bruiser
dim kindle
yup
severe cairn
well then why not just lower scaling then and keep base the same
gut the champion since he's conceptually never going to be healthy
prisma ravine
Gutting a champ is a pretty extreme measure
And tbh Im not even sure its warranted for Sylas, he is strong, but not design-wise problematic in and of himself
severe cairn
I think it's perfectly fair since Riot are the ones that created him in the first place and designed him like that
Riot's modern design philosophies are stupid and they don't playtest their own releases
and there's no way to fix some of these champions so they'll either be perpetually broken or fucking useless
prisma ravine
I cant think of many like that tbh
Sylas has been balanced a fair few times
Its a mix of itemisation and meta shifts pushing him into the forefront again
severe cairn
I just don't think it's fair he has all of these tools and still has the ability to steal ultimates
malzahar is balanced around his ultimate and a lot of his power is directed towards it
he has very clear weaknesses built into his kit
prisma ravine
Malzahar is also historically suffering for that
I dont think I even remember the last time he was viable
severe cairn
that's, by all means, a good thing
malzahar being viable would be bad even if you can buy qss for his ultimate
prisma ravine
Funny enough, Im not so sure about that
His lockdown is crazy but has weaknesses
There are certainly champs I think should never be viable due to having targetted, super hard cc lockdown, but its champs like Vi where the cc cant be stopped in any way moreso than Malz
severe cairn
I think Malz being viable would entail at least one other ability being buffed and, like, the only one you could feasibly do that to is his E
and I fucking hate his E
it's good as a waveclear tool but when it was good enough to clean up 3-4 players after a team fight it was toxic
prisma ravine
Id say change his W again tbh
Anyway, Sylas does have his ult eat up a decent amount of his powerbudget
But its also the case that his ult is not consistently reliable
ITs much stronger as a last pick than first pick Sylas
eternal palm
Sylas def does not need to be rendered unplayable lol
dim kindle
Sylas is mostly fine
its just that his high power moments feel very crazy sometimes
when he gets a certain critical amount of haste around 3 items + his high base hp per level stacking up at level 13-16
when he is good in the game he just has like that one absolutely nuts teamfight where you think this champ is the most broken shit in the game
and then most of the game after that and before that he is fine
he is still pretty binary in the sense that he doesnt have any fancy tools on his base kit
its all just do the damage and dash
they could nerf his base hp per level a little bit perhaps
if they had to do a nerf
eternal palm
We have to remember that his 2nd to 3rd item transition is dreadful unless you’re massively ahead
Which at that point you were going to win anyways
dim kindle
I mean yeah i think overall he is fine
I think his super high moments could potentially be a little too high
but thats purely based on feelings
champs okay to me overall
he is very irritating in a lane too as a control mage because his trades can be very ignorant
another avenue might be shoving more of his power from w into q so that w is less of a fuck it do it all button
not sure
eternal palm
Honestly let’s not look at mid, because mid feels okay, and dare I say healthy atm
Why is top either a slap fest or like currently has the largest collection of the most toxic champions ever created in this game
Like I’m so glad I stopped playing top, because holy fuck I would have an aneurysm playing against the shit up there
prisma ravine
I'm not sure mid is healthy per se, but its not an issue
Like yeah, assassins are (mostly) weak, but they have been for so long that I dont even care anymore
eternal palm
Well mid as a lane will always be problematic because they dictate so much on the map, but the champs that are currently viable mid (which is a large number of them) makes for a healthy laning experience
wheat notch
dim kindle
i cant get over how bad this draft by koi is
dapper kite
prisma ravine
Either these are skins or hinting at a MF update
dapper kite
skins
severe cairn
what's the trope?
prisma ravine
Nuns with guns I assume
sullen crystal
yeah
severe cairn
bayonetta moment
dim kindle
right yeah Honestly i never thought about why league doesnt have this
wheat notch
I love worked ground
This champ is so fun
But I felt a bit bad stomping this game bc I was the highest elo player by a lot 🥲
That asol started dark seal though so maybe they deserved it after all
severe cairn
did you know SG Taliyah is trans
sullen crystal
no I didn't