And you spike harder on 1 item than any other champ mid
#League of Legends
slim terrace
zoe after the buff sounds like A tier material at the very least
idk about right now
dim kindle
think she is pretty bad rn
slim terrace
I think she'll always have some value as long as her bubble is the way it is
she's insanely good at picks around baron and dragon
eternal palm
Neeko is really good btw and has been for a while
Vex is the champ I’m looking at in that tier and going like lol
dim kindle
vex is a really strong counterpick
slim terrace
is vex's damage still not absolutely fuckin absurd
eternal palm
Vex needs a team to play around her to be used to her full potential
You won’t find that in solo q
slim terrace
I swear what I mostly see is her just going in lategame and 100-0ing in one combo with R
dim kindle
i dont think jayce is as good mid
most of jayces strength is abusing the long lange top to set up lose the game freezes
slim terrace
I don't remember the last time I've seen a karthus mid btw
dim kindle
me neither
slim terrace
I feel like every time I see him it's jungle
dim kindle
some meh stuff on this list but the general idea is pretty decent
eternal palm
Seraph change and rod of ages for scaling champs
dim kindle
that means broken in capable hands
night marsh
Ah lol
slim terrace
that's how you know he's bonkers
eternal palm
I had him in an aram recently and he felt so good
Went phase rush, not sure if you still play phase rush on ryze now though
I would assume so
slim terrace
I imagine you do
dim kindle
he got a lot of ap ratio buffs over the last year since his items were so bad
and now he gets so much more ap
from seraph
eternal palm
Just like the option to go RoA > Seraphs > FH vs AD heavy teams feels so good on ryze and kass
prisma ravine
zoe after the buff sounds like A tier material at the very least
Oh the buff really doesnt do that much fwiw
At least at higher levels
You do QRQE anyway
EQRQ is too slow and predictable
eternal palm
It does give you that little extra humph on that last Q at least
But Zoe was overkilling people already anyways
prisma ravine
Also Neeko is like one of the most irrelevant mids possible
I dont believe she saw more than like a handful of picks for the entire competitive scene last year
Definitely wasnt picked in the demacia cup
Challenger pick is also, what, <0.5%?
eternal palm
Because Neeko wasn’t good into the entire meta last season? She also ate a bunch of nerfs since glacial augment was changed
Glacial augment was THE Neeko rune
slim terrace
EQRQ is too slow and predictable
you can't do it out on the open, that's mostly for if and when you take away vision
prisma ravine
And rn on the most recent competitive event, Neeko saw 0 play, and in challenger she sees practically 0 play
By every conceivable metric she is not even remotely good mid
eternal palm
Interesting using competitive players drafts, especially from LPL as your justification. Meanwhile in the LPL: https://twitter.com/caedrel/status/1610974680290148352?s=46&t=qNtCO8N-0wgt6cbufpfo7A
prisma ravine
... this is a friendly game
Theres literally no competitive event that has happened this year yet
eternal palm
Wdym we literally have week 1 of LPL going on this week
There’s post game threads on the Reddit
prisma ravine
Ok correction: There was no competitive event going on on the 5th
LPL started yesterday (Which admitively I missed)
This is literally a friendly game
Even pro teams troll in friendlies sometimes
Or try out wack as hell shit
eternal palm
You say try out wack shit in friendlys, but LPL and LCK literally draft like ass most of the season. Only thing western teams have going for them is draft edges and proper itemization due to them being individually worst players.
prisma ravine
Do they though?
Or is it that some analystis have a wrong idea of what is and isnt strong due to a certain lack in their statistical understanding?
Hell, its not like solo Q is much different
Neeko mid isnt even as common as Lee Sin mid in high level play
She isnt even as common as Nasus mid
Oh, Nasus mid is a Kassa counterpick
That makes sense actually
Neat
eternal palm
Kass has no kill pressure on nasus
prisma ravine
Kass is a melee with a rough early game
eternal palm
And can freely farm
prisma ravine
You can farm your Q while pressuing him out
At least, thats what the data suggests
dim kindle
nasus mid is a legit counterpick yh
been rising in popularity lately
he is also pretty decent as an answer to ksante top
slim terrace
feelsgoodman
wheat notch
the league client is so good dude
i literally cant do anything lol
I couldn't even altf4 man
dim kindle
oh man havent had that one happening in a while
chilly ivy
the league client is so good dude
you obviously needed to ban a champion buddy]
ngl the thing just makes api calls, why is it so hard to make some fucking ui
timber patio
What happened to ryze to take him from meme to god?
P sure he also got a buff recently
Oh it was a few patches ago but yeah the ap ratio on q isgood
sullen crystal
also yeah seraphs being an item again helps
wheat notch
dapper kite
should just switch role to adc at this point tbh
dim kindle
join the whiner gang
varus feels absurdly strong with my rune set up
i didnt play well mechanically today but still slapped
dim kindle
feel like sett is the weakest of all the juggernauts rn but tbf that still means strong xd
btw does gwen jungle work
night marsh
her intial clear is really weak but after that you're fine yeah
dim kindle
I like her but dont want to touch top lane
night marsh
Understandable
Like I was telling thugs before, she’s in a pretty meh state rn
She just gets bullied or shat on by the current top tiers of top
But it has been like this for the last few months
Jax is hella op rn and that’s one of her worst matchups
eternal palm
She’s fine. I’m actually surprised you’re complaining about Sett. Because like Glover said, Sett is very average right now in most comps (and def the worst juggernaut)
Sett’s one positive he has is that he’s very brainless compared to a lot of the meta top lane pool rn
dim kindle
gwen at 2+ items is still fucking crazy imo
but yea i can imagine lots of lane MUs are hard
talking about juggernauts
think its interesting that after mundo's changes and now his nerfs the end result is that he got basically swapped from an early-mid champ to a late game champ lol
night marsh
She’s fine. I’m actually surprised you’re complaining about Sett. Because like G...
Worst juggernaut is still one of the best top laners in the game lol
He’s also just frustrating to play vs in general
Rush botrk, win 1v1s you absolutely shouldn’t because both him and the item are overtuned
wheat notch
whew
night marsh
Poke him out or win a trade, Doran’s shield+passive heals him faster than you
W weakness is that it’s a slow aoe skill shot but he has 2 abilities that make it practically indodgable
night marsh
It’s just super cringe that most bruiser weaknesses are their low mobility in exchange for immediate lane pressure into a good scaling raid boss
Also I’m ranting too much but basically fuck sett and@his entire design
wheat notch
I could prob rant a lot about most new champs but I'm bad 
night marsh
I’m going to hit diamond first and then write my essay on why modern champ design is terrible
wheat notch
Same 💪
wheat notch
yipee
prisma ravine
Nice
wheat notch
at least its only my 2nd promo to plat iv
I'm the embodiment of coinflip player huh
dapper kite
wheat notch
eternal palm
what a bunch of nerds
wheat notch
what a bunch of nerds
says man in yugioh discord server
dapper kite
....
prisma ravine
Time to go 4 ace
dim kindle
poggers
eternal palm
dim kindle
banger
eternal palm
I just realized she was ahead, so that player will never second guess their decision
dim kindle
i dont see an issue here tbh
radiant virtue is broken
in comp vi is litteraly an engage bot
chempunk is decent too
wheat notch
ye virtue makes sense on paper
dim kindle
its possibly the best item in the game rn
night marsh
Does it?
dim kindle
yes
dim kindle
vi presses r goes in and massively heals her team following up
you dont get to hit as vi in comp
after 10 mins
like you dont get to brawl
you get to wait and look for q r flanks
sunderer is not bad for sure but as the game goes on you will not get much value from your vi being a bigger individual threat
vi is playing with camille galio
the idea is to just get as much value from your no counterplay engage as possible
now i cant say whether thats really a good strategy overall (comps like this tend to fall off super bad as the meta develops) but in this context radiant virtue absolutely makes sense
item is just crazy good
holy fuck i just now realized the tweet is about double grievous items
not radiant
night marsh
Oh lmao
eternal palm
I'm reading through this like "do yall not see double GW?"
dim kindle
teams usually have analysts that talk to players about itemization
eternal palm
Analyst: "Hey Xun, you built like shit, mind to explain?"
Xun: "We won didn't we?"
Analyst: .......
dim kindle
definitely not how that goes in korean teans at least
players have a say but coaching staff is in charge
prisma ravine
Hmmm
The bramble vest is weird but
I guess the logic is applying GW to enemies that are just attacking you without you having to hit them?
Although it could also be to get a guaranteed 40% from the start
Since chempunk needs them to be below 50%, and its an item you buy for the stats anyway
dim kindle
yeah but gw applied from being hit only is lower
prisma ravine
Same amount if theyre at max health actually but yeah
dim kindle
like its pretty bad but if you think gw is that important its okay
dim kindle
Same amount if theyre at max health actually but yeah
thornmail it is
bramble just 25%
prisma ravine
I can only see it making sense against a team full of a lot of healers
Yeah 25% is the same as chempunk chainsword if they have more than 50%
It only becomes 40% if theyre below 50%
dim kindle
yeah i dont think buying bramble thorn here is worth but its also like not the worst
wheat notch
Hmmmmm
wheat notch
So pissed
got railed by my own champ and they weren't even a good Ziggs
They were just a better player
eternal palm
Tf you going alacrity for
eternal palm
Coup is infinitely better yeah, or like glover said just get your value out of inspiration tree
wheat notch
coup does like
no dmg early lol
i be looking at this thing saying 36 at 7 min
and 20 of that was overkill on an ulti
eternal palm
And alac does nothing for you past lane phase (even in lane phase it does very little) unless you’re miss positioning (or if you have a team willing to let you split push, but you have no tp so that idea is out the window)
wheat notch
it does a lot past lane phase
i do auto attack because i have a passive that incentivises me to do so
eternal palm
Yeah that passive also has a cd
wheat notch
u say that like it doesnt reduce cd just by me breathing
oh no i have to cast 2 spells the horror
eternal palm
The point is that you’re not gaining anything off the extra AS. Auto + QE + Auto doesn’t benefit from the extra AS
wheat notch
or just go insp
insp provides no offensive benefit
besides earlier chapter
arguably cookies but idk
problem with cookies is that it defeats the sole reason id want to take inspo (future's market)
he looks exactly like bard
slim terrace
yeah way too much like bard
wheat notch
Pondering...
I can't really gauge the power of haste like this lmao
but alac lets me not take atk spd minor
fuck it we ball
fuck it we ball
fuck it we ball
almost tempted to comet but ive never felt good about it
night marsh
fuck it we ball
slim terrace
I'm seeing this more often lately and I'm loving it
wheat notch
I like Ziggs a normal amount
eternal palm
what is that site?
I consider myself to have a pretty large champ pool, so i'd be interested to see what mine looks like
wheat notch
eternal palm
yeah, about what I expected
prisma ravine
Predictably Kha is my most played
Then ... Kat?
When did we get mastery again
Oh, 5.8
eternal palm
idk how people can play 1 champion for more than 3 straight games (in one sitting) , I would legitly go insane
prisma ravine
If the champs got enough depth, those 3 games are varied enough
eternal palm
there's very few champs that have that depth. Even Sylas having a choice of 15 possible different ultis, doesn't change the fact that your laning and trading patterns are extremely similar from game to game
night marsh
I like Ziggs a normal amount
Nice champ atom noob
night marsh
there's very few champs that have that depth. Even Sylas having a choice of 15 p...
I could play Gwen for 20 games in a row. The micro decisions and matchups make it fun and never dull
eternal palm
maybe I'm just too burned out of the game since playing since season 1
also lmao, that sett you complained about, legitly did 60k damage that game
eternal palm
I've taken multiple breaks
prisma ravine
But yeah, same reason people stick to one character in fighting games
night marsh
What game?
eternal palm
night marsh
Oh that game
Yeah that game tilted me beyond belief
Well every sett game does
I was 3-0 over him but he finished botrk and started winning fights
eternal palm
that game isn't really on you though, how did anivia get out damaged by liss
night marsh
Anivia outdamaged liss
Also it was on me
I had a lead and didn’t use it to snowball too
And I got caught by fidd in the end leading to us losing the game
Was just tilted all around
Delete sett thanks
eternal palm
even so, 33k damage in a 34 minute game as anivia, vs 3 champions that want to run into you is a bad performance
night marsh
Anivia would get like one shot every fight because fidd was the most fed person in the game
Fidd was legendary like 15 mins in
chilly ivy
eternal palm
damn, look at the support main
chilly ivy
i forgor i used to play a shit ton of lux
dapper kite
Seems about right
Suprised yuumi is that big tbh, i only ever played her her for meme shit like pairing her with pyke or veigar
prisma ravine
Im surprised Warwick isnt higher
dapper kite
Im not
prisma ravine
Really?
It sounds like one of the worst runes you can take on Ziggs to me
Id rather pick coup or cut down
prisma ravine
How
Like that means that to targets with less than 40% hp, you only did about 800 total damage, thats ... really low
Oh hold on, lemme check smthg
wheat notch
it didnt help that we were behind but like
it did nothing in lane
it only triggered once in a longtrade and it added . 12 damage
prisma ravine
I mean in lane none of the precision ones do much
wheat notch
that shit isnt killing anything!!
prisma ravine
Alacrity is pretty much completely useless in laning
wheat notch
alac is like taking the atk spd minor without taking the atk spd minor
prisma ravine
Oh no
Its way worse than that
You start with 3% attack speed instead of 10%
And you get an extra 1.5% per champ kill or per 25 minions killed
Meaning it takes 100 minions to just get almost to the level of the attack speed minor
wheat notch
i think u like
missed what i was implying
in that it makes your lane easier like the atk spd rune
except i get to go double ap or haste ap
prisma ravine
That aint doing anything in lane
prisma ravine
Its barely better than the AS Ziggs gets from a levelup
wheat notch
the only other playable precision rune would be the one that deals increased dmg with low hp but thats antisynergystic with both my champion design and absolute focus
i miss when there was a Legend: rune on pbe that just g ave you mpen or something
wheat notch
cut down would be interesting if half the mage item pool didnt give you health for literally no good reason
and it doesnt do anything for me in lane
eternal palm
Uno, I said the same thing yesterday, the benefit is actually so trivial it's almost as if you dont even have a rune in that slot
eternal palm
yeah, he's better
prisma ravine
Its the one champ where I keep wanting to buy Nashors
eternal palm
but that's not the point
wheat notch
eternal palm
only champ I've ever taken alacricity on mid was sylas, but even then, i was wrong for not doing tenacity instead
prisma ravine
Boy was it useless
Turns out attacking every 1.47 seconds isnt much better than attacking every 1.51 seconds
eternal palm
who knew
prisma ravine
Legend Alacrity is definitely the best one of them
And kinda busted
Though iirc they nerfed it or smthg?
chilly ivy
tanacity was nerfed
eternal palm
I think you're stuck in a results based analysis state rn wintry, that's making you think alacrity is doing more than it actually is
prisma ravine
Statistically it does so little it'd be hard to distinguish it from just a change in ping
wheat notch
Since you want to suck off statistics so much you should know that the Attack Speed minor (0.72) is only 0.04 more effective than Alacrity (0.68) at Level 1 It's not like 125cs reduced by 25 each takedown/objective is some herculean task for a mage well-known for his waveclear. Ziggs still autos a lot especially since everything except for his Q has a long cooldown and you often W enemies into you to start fights
prisma ravine
Oh yeah, the attack speed minor isnt great on Ziggs either
You usually want it on a champ that has a good AS ratio
But the point is that the miniscule amount of damage you gain from it is easily outclassed by both coup and cut down
Coup on average increases your damage by about 3.2%
Alacrity doesnt even increase your auto damage by that much
eternal palm
if alacrity only increases your AS by .04, and assuming no takedowns (because why would we factor something as unpredictable as takedowns into the equation) If you auto 100 times, you're getting 4 more autos every 100 autos
that's hardly fight winning stuff right there
night marsh
The tenacity rune is kind of unplayable at the current moment
Alacrity is the best out the bunch
eternal palm
if you want to factor it for lane/trading, an extended trade lets you weave in 2-3 autos, 2 of them being passive procs, that means every 9 trades in lane you're getting 1 more auto of value out of it
prisma ravine
Tenacity is still good tbh
20% free tenacity is nothing to scoff at
Besides, this is mostly alacrity vs coup/cut down, not tenacity
I dont think Ziggs needs tenacity either
eternal palm
yeah tenacity is still good. It lets you go tabis without having to worry about the loss of tenacity
but like ovven said, this is irrelevant for ziggs
coup/cut down is the move, or you just go inspiration for the value
night marsh
The competition for tenacity is alacrity in the top lane pool and you’d take alacrity almost every time
wheat notch
inspo doesnt have best rune pom
eternal palm
I wouldn't? I want to build tabis vs jax/irelia/darius
but also don;t want to lose out on the tenacity
night marsh
Tenacity vs 2 of those is troll anyways
eternal palm
you don't take the tenacity for lane
you take the tenacity for where you actually win games which is the mid game
night marsh
You do it for all stages of the game im aware
Alacrity builds up through early, helps you take plates in mid and helps split in late
All which snowball you compared to tenacity which is very selective and doesn’t stop the damage creep going on currently?
Like wow, I get out of an Ashe ult .5 seconds earlier, shame their team killed me in the time I was stunned
eternal palm
Laning Phase is the shortest part of the game. Basing your runes on the 1% increase in effectiveness for lane is kinda troll unless I'm in a skill matchup and I'm really looking for that edge (at that point though just go ignite TP if lane dominance is all you care about)
night marsh
Laning Phase is also the most important phase of the game because it sets up everything after
Top lane is decided by micro decisions early so smalll edge cases like that are what put others ahead
Current format is also putting heavy emphasis on this because every top laner is a ultra scaling raidboss
That applies a shit ton of pressure in the side
eternal palm
Again, you're thinking in the sense of your specific champ pool. If I lock in Ornn, I'm cool with just chilling in lane, using Q to farm and minimize my losses. At the end of the day the later the game goes, I give my team more value than everybody else.
night marsh
You can’t afford to play even vs current top brass. They all outscale you. If you’re playing to play and not to win then there’s already an issue
Like why would you give Jax and fiora wiggle room
Also ornn isn’t a great example because he has 0-death combos lmao
That champion should be aggressive
Double q poke into double brittle combo kills a lot of champs
eternal palm
Fiora has little margin for error in team fights, that 20 cs and 1 plate that she's up on me is a win for me if that's how I get out of lane
night marsh
Why are you team fighting with fiora tho
You fed me by trying to@play even so I can just split
eternal palm
splitting champions SHOULD be properly punished by being put on a soul timer. Also, again, if you're splitting that's a win for my team. You split top/bot, my mid/adc gets to split the opposite side without worry since you have to be shadowed. That's just the proper way that games SHOULD play out off seeing an opposing draft. Now whether they play out that way or not is another story altogether.
People also care less about splitting now ever since people realized taking inhib too early is a large influx of gold for the enemy team. Splitting is at its most effective when your team is able to properly setup and contest objectives.
wheat notch
Eh
Cut Down is okay I guess
but it doesn't help that it does nothing to squishies especially because sflame morello have hp for no reason
sullen crystal
night marsh
what a real man's chart looks like
prisma ravine
No idea how Shaco is that played tbh
Either it counts ARAM
Or I had a period of playing Shaco I dont remember
eternal palm
you were wrong, kha is not your most played
your kha and akali are actually pretty close in mastery
dim kindle
another crazy comeback featuring some silly kassadin gaming
eternal palm
you say silly, I say I just hit my power spike
prisma ravine
you were wrong, kha is not your most played
It is the most played, but not by much
slim terrace
Either it counts ARAM
it's just based off mastery
what can I say I'm just so quirky x3
night marsh
x3
slim terrace
I love it when I just throw a spell at them and their health bar evaporates haha XD
sullen crystal
teehee
prisma ravine
Zoe
Based
prisma ravine
I dont get why they never fixed Luxs Q animation tbh
Welp
Tried to do some ranked
Got bot and jungle diffed >.>
Ez was like 8 2 by 10 minutes
And our jungler decided to afk farm and still get outfarmed by the enemy jungler who was also perma-ganking
prisma ravine
Dont you love it when you shut down the enemy ADC early, theyre super far behind
And then they get a few kills on your teammates because of lucky crit streaks and are back in the game?
What a fun and fair mechanic
We still won, but it shouldve been way easier than that
Lmao theyre allowing Kayle to attack while invuln
night marsh
About time
Champ needs all the help@she can get right now
Idk if increasing the ult aoe radius does anything besides edge case flash escapes but the attacking during ult is a notable change
I’d like a health per level gain buff tho
prisma ravine
I mean she needs a buff
But not to remove counterplay
Thats just a terrible idea
night marsh
Her counterplay is the first 10 levels of the game
You concede so much when you lock in Kayle it should honestly be bannable lol
Top doesn’t have prio til she gets waves which is lv11. Her first 5 levels are some of the worst levels in the game for someone top. Her 2v2 is absolutely terrible. Late game isn’t justifiable enough compared to 2 years ago so you jumping through hoops in lane is just pointless
Let’s not even mention the 2 second self stun you call an ult
night marsh
She wasn’t broken because she could auto during ult
Her starting the game at range with e was the issue
prisma ravine
Her autoing during ult is why they didnt want her to be playable
night marsh
If they don’t want to give back range from level 1 then that’s fine but making her a glorified cannon minion for the first 15 mins when your late game isn’t even that great enough to justify it is just a joke
prisma ravine
Kayle used to be kept intentionally weak for it, much like Poppy
night marsh
Her autoing during ult isn’t going to@break@her
It’s also perfectly reasonable since late game you spent 2-3 seconds ulting instead of dpsing
prisma ravine
... which you now remove?
night marsh
Yes, now she still has the same weakness as before…..?
Her early game is still unplayable
prisma ravine
Which might be fine from a balance perspective
night marsh
Like you’re making it sound like this change is going to make her S+ tier 100% pick ban
prisma ravine
But is terrible from a design perspective
No?
Im saying its dogshit design
Where if you dont shut her down early
You lose and there is nothing you can do about it because August hates counterplay
night marsh
Current top is complete dogshit design right now
prisma ravine
But if you do she sucks
night marsh
Why are we extending this to kayle who has only been a problem once post rework?
prisma ravine
Because pre-rework she was a problem a lot to the point where Riot washed her hands off of her ... because she lacked counterplay?
Id rather see Kayles early game buffed
night marsh
Champs have good early and late games right now without sacrificing either
prisma ravine
Than make her extremely polarising and lack in counterplay
night marsh
Yet kayle has to@sacrifice early for a questionably worse late anyways
Especially since locking in kayle also@affects your jungle
Her autoing during ult isn’t going to change her counterplay
Because majority of her problems have been her atrocious early game
prisma ravine
Yeah it is
night marsh
Which this change doesn’t fix
night marsh
You can say the exact same right now
prisma ravine
Your jungler is terrible and your toplaner doesnt know what he is doing
You lose
And there is nothing you can do
night marsh
Also@no lmao
prisma ravine
Right now you can pressure her, force her to pop ult, and disengage at that point
night marsh
Her late is legit worse than current bruisers
What happens if I don’t shut her down early pre and post this change don’t change at all
prisma ravine
The problem is
Now they cant buff her early anymore if they do this
The lack of counterplay means that Kayle will have to be weak
Also is matchmaking back to basically ignoring your first role if its mid?
slim terrace
Her autoing during ult isn’t going to change her counterplay
I hate to agree with uno, but idk attacking during ult sounds real scary
trynd is already a massive threat with melee range autos and a dash, kayle could then dps while immune at a range on top of having a speed up
prisma ravine
Mid is always popular, but you used to get it most of the time if it was your primary
Also man
I am reminded at how Riot still hasnt fixed crit, despite it being like one days worth of work, tops
Kinda fucked that I can outplay the enemy, and then have him kill me with 1% hp because he crit with 20% chance 3 times in a row
Like just take Ashes system, copy it, and paste it for every champ
biggest improvement the game has ever seen for the lowest amount of effort
night marsh
I hate to agree with uno, but idk attacking during ult sounds real scary
It’s scary sure but honestly think about it. Her late game is like slightly above baseline good. You shouldn’t be playing to 16 to still@being ccing yourself for 2 seconds, there needs to@be a payoff
also I disagree about not being able to buff her early game
If they don’t touch her defensives then you’re still a detriment to your team early. I can’t stress how much pressure you don’t have as kayle top when it comes time to@help@your jungled
Or how some lanes are just uninteractive because you can’t walk up to cs without risk of@dying
dim kindle
i think kayle is probably the lamest char in the game
she needs a completely new kit concept imo
eternal palm
Allowing Kayle to attack when ult is on her would be the biggest mistake they could make
the correct buff should be aimed at her early game
she's no longer this unstoppable beast of a carry late game, because we have about a dozen other champions who are also that in the same role
prisma ravine
... how the fuck did my botlane lose a 2v1?
The enemy twitch "support" was perma-mid so I at least thought "oh hey, my bot is gonna be up like 60 CS and 3 kills"
... they fucking lost somehow
prisma ravine
... maybe I should play Kat more
Man Kat is so weird because like
Her laning is dogshit
Probably the worst of any midlaner
But if you get going, you really get going
slim terrace
what's a lane, I'm just perma roam 
prisma ravine
I mean you have to get to that point first 
slim terrace
I wonder which role you main
wheat notch
wheat notch
holy fk thats a lot of cutdown damage
yeah
inner vapor
what does inted mean?
sinful frost
short for "intentionally feeding"
in the specific it refers to intentionally giving yourself up to the opponent to be killed so as to give the other team a free win
but more broadly refers to either all forms of intentionally throwing the game
or to extremely bad play
wheat notch
yipee
prisma ravine
Damn, is Vi becoming a consistent pick?
Thats bad
Games with Vi historically have been 💤 as hell to watch
dim kindle
mao and vi are jgl meta
prisma ravine
Unfortunate
eternal palm
League Twitter is really thirsty for LDL drafting rules for competitive
slim terrace
of course they are, especially now
getting to see new champions is really fun (in theory, idk how it's played out in LDL)
sinful frost
What's LDL rules
prisma ravine
Man
My placements are strangely cursed
Now Im getting a botlane that goes 0 and 12 by minute 15
Because apparently one of them is a new player that was given a plat account (???)
eternal palm
What's LDL rules
The 10 champions that were picked in g1, are unavailable to be picked g2. So on and so forth if there’s a g3
prisma ravine
Did they ever undo the idiotic buff to Dianas Q? They didnt, right?
sinful frost
The 10 champions that were picked in g1, are unavailable to be picked g2. So on ...
Ahh
I think that's also known as gauntlet draft
prisma ravine
I still dont get wtf Riot was smoking when they did that
Easily still top 5 worst changes Riot ever made
slim terrace
fearless draft is the name I've heard it called by
prisma ravine
How is Flex matchmaking so much better than solo q wtf
Thats the opposite of how it should be working
I had maybe 2 playable matches in the 10 placement games in solo Q, and now I had 2 good matches in Flex Q back to back
eternal palm
Flex q usually has buddies actively trying to win
Solo q has people carrying grudges from one game to the next
prisma ravine
Thats not even it, it just seems like Flex Q actually tries to match people of similar level, while Solo Q just throws its hands in the air and says "fuck it"
One of the two games I won I won because my opponent managed to lose lane to Kat as Viktor
prisma ravine
So TIL Blastcone breaks Talons W
Apparently it displaces the W and makes it hit not where you aimed, but way off
eternal palm
You just haven’t played flex enough then, we vs random masters players all the time in flex
prisma ravine
Probbly not
This is just placements
But man, solo q placements were awful
Bought accounts, heavy inters and just generally awfully matched teams
eternal palm
I usually don’t do my placements till a month after season starts
Doing placements immediately is a death sentence
wheat notch
dapper kite
sinful frost
my mastery distribution is slightly lopsided
wheat notch
I like Ziggs a normal amount
not as good as mine
slim terrace
man
dim kindle
when did zed turn from an early/mid dominator to a late game machine
prisma ravine
I dont think Varus is getting nerfed, is he?
dim kindle
No but im overall expecting him to be worse
comparatively
Probably still good
but im gonna prep something
his draven match up is solid but its always a coinflip with draven lanes
samira match up can get really bad
and xayah is pretty bad
and those 3 are who im expecting to be top dogs
effectively adc match ups are less relevant than the overall 2v2 match up but yeah
if everyone is still playing bruisers and dive comps then varus will still be solid
and so will xayah be
dapper kite
really knows the champion
prisma ravine
Wait what is that
prisma ravine
Oh wait those are the same player, now I get the joke lmao
wheat notch
legend
wheat notch
ziggs good champ!!! 
eternal palm
One day I will do my placements
inner vapor
one day i will unlock ranked
wheat notch
i hope that day never comes
night marsh
blast this when you run it down areo
wheat notch
ranked is a shithole
inner vapor
oh
night marsh
they still havent fixed mmr gains?
wheat notch
They gave me +19 for my first win and then decided "nah lmao" and dropped it to +16 +15 +17
night marsh
that's what I hated about the grind for the past 2 years
night marsh
and the only way to offset it is to just win harder than 605?
inner vapor
you would have gotten there 3 games faster if you never lose
just 5 stack and never lose 
night marsh
I tried contacting a riot employee about it and there was nothing they could do about it
wheat notch
I think there was a reddit comment about them looking into increasing the elo variance
like making gains/losses bigger again
but I cannot be bothered to dig it up so I simply won't
wheat notch
ur fault for losing tbf
I'm sure you would've done so much better in my stead
night marsh
this was my first time contacting them and it tilted the fuck out of me because it happened 2 more times later that season
night marsh
then my second interaction was this and I basically just never counted on them again lol
inner vapor
I'm sure you would've done so much better in my stead <:cheems:68318212966829268...
i'm sure i would have 
wheat notch
inner vapor
brooo you got a whole chest and key
this is sarcasm rigjt
night marsh
areo has just been added to wintry's block list
wheat notch
why do u keep pinging me its not like im going anywhere
night marsh
also 10lp per win is just outright unacceptable
wheat notch
yeah making new accounts seems like the move
but then a gain like
pros stick with one and repeatedly hit chally so what do i know 🙃
inner vapor
why do u keep pinging me its not like im going anywhere
hobedtly i forget to click the button sometimes
inner vapor
then my second interaction was this and I basically just never counted on them a...
this is so stupid you legit said that it's not a mmr problem and they go off ahout how it's all about mmr
wheat notch
They gave me +19 for my first win and then decided "nah lmao" and dropped it to ...
on the bright side my ziggs looks pretty
dim kindle
I mean since they made less promo games lp gains have to be lower
otherwise your shown elo gets too far ahead of your mmr
eternal palm
yeah, I remember the days of getting 20-25 off a win in seasons 3 and 4
but promos were so toxic
usually not the ones to go up a rank, but the bo5 to go up to the next tier
night marsh
I mean since they made less promo games lp gains have to be lower
I mean that’s fine sure, I can handle 15-20 per win for lp. But when it’s +10 to +12 and you lose -16 on a loss, it’s just severely tilting
prisma ravine
I have now experienced first hand why Mao has an 80% presence in pro play
Wtf did they do to him
eternal palm
it's the demonic embrace interaction with him
they're nerfing that
once that's gone, it shouldn't feel as oppressive
prisma ravine
Whats the interaction?
eternal palm
dont quote me on this, but i believe saplings reset the max % health damage from it per tick
so it ends up chunking you for an amount that you would never expect
it's supposed to be 7.2% max health + base damage + the bonus ap you're getting from the passive iirc
eternal palm
demonic embrace is getting a nerf, so looking at what they're nerfing might be a good indicator as to what the issue is
prisma ravine
Seems demonic embrace is just too good on tanks/bruisers
While its pretty mid on mages
Who knew lowering the % damage for ranged users while increasing the AP wouldnt be good for its mage users
dim kindle
i mean the intent was absolutely to turn into an ap bruiser item away from mages
prisma ravine
... no actually
The intent was the opposite
To keep it strong for mages but weaken it for tanks and bruisers
Oh weaken it for tanks specifically
Mb
"Demonic Embrace is functioning well for AP bruisers and ranged Damage over time champions, but it's performing too well on full tanks like Zac, Amumu, and Udyr to name a few. We're skewing its power to be more AP heavy so that it’s roughly the same on primary users and slightly nerfed for pure tank users. "
night marsh
dont quote me on this, but i believe saplings reset the max % health damage from...
Wait that’s fucking broken lmao
eternal palm
Do keep in mind also, (unless it changed recently) that Q also now deals % max health dmg
prisma ravine
I thought they fixed Lehtality Udyr
prisma ravine
Yknow
Maybe its time for two bans per player
Id love to be able to never see Lee or Vi in any game
dapper kite
actually kinda based idea
wheat notch
slim terrace
did that yone die a ton before or after fizz got fed
wheat notch
uh he was like 1/3 when zyra was 1/5
10 minutes
very playable for me
also zyra perma last hitting minions 🗿
slim terrace
she got cs like she has targon's
eternal palm
First 2 ranked games of the season were a smashing success.
As predicted, Liss feels really solid rn post buffs
wheat notch
nice client
wheat notch
heheheheheheh
chilly ivy
wintry i've been meaning to ask
how mana hungry is ziggs?
cause i might wanna learn him
wheat notch
how mana hungry is ziggs?
u r asking the wrong girl lmaoooo
regardless if u have trouble u can start Tear (i will judge you for this)
but im literally starting amp tome and recalling at wave 5 with no mana so i can instantly buy lost chapter (700g, got future's market)
chilly ivy
ic
chilly ivy
hmm i'll try that out
wheat notch
Here's my page and skill order
Notice: If you retain Absolute Focus at Level 2-3 your Lv1 Q and Lv2 Q kills casters
chilly ivy
i personally don't like the boot rune due to anecdotal evidence, but ig i'll try it out
wheat notch
I mean there's nothing better and it's saving 300g
eternal palm
Boot rune is fine as long as you’re not in a matchup where buying boots early is game changing
Just don’t take it vs shit like syndra lol
chilly ivy
Boot rune is fine as long as you’re not in a matchup where buying boots early is...
the anecdotal evidence is that i'm bad and i forget that i took it
so i get fucked
in those cases
it's fine otherwise
wheat notch
idk i never have that much spare change for boots usually so its like
not taking it fucks me sometimes
eternal palm
I got reminded yesterday why I hate vsing Malzahar
champ is so braindead
like literally smashing your face into the keyboard
nice gank that you set up via literally ccing me for 3 seconds so your jungler could come from dragon to lane
wheat notch
i personally don't like the boot rune due to anecdotal evidence, but ig i'll try...
items
night marsh
heheheheheheh
She’s getting too close to the sun, clip her wings riot
wheat notch
u barely ever take luden too
chilly ivy
anything else item wise i should know?
wheat notch
the only thing that changes items is mejai replacing void/morello pending on game
chilly ivy
gotcha
night marsh
Much better
dim kindle
I win impossible comeback games and I lose games from incredibly far ahead
It seems there is an issue with closing out games in my elo
wheat notch
Much better
just demoted opponent picked ziggs and i got clapped on zil
not a lot i can do
eternal palm
why is zil your fall back lol
wheat notch
bc i have literally no good pick into ziggs
xerath loses
sera loses
ori loses
jayce in that comp is XD
taliyah is XD
eternal palm
Do you like not know how to play kassadin?
eternal palm
Welp
night marsh
“You’ve obviously put a lot of work in to chronoshift” I say with a sneer, “But I assure you, the chronobreak is coming.”. I notice him quiver in fear at my threat. He stutters before composing himself. “You can dispense with the scare tactics” he responds. Little did he know this was not an empty threat, for he could not know the extent of my power. “I’m sorry it had to end this way,”, I say, placing my hand on the hilt of my katana. “It’s nothing personnel kid”
eternal palm
smh, you let wintry convert you to a shadowflame spiel
also, one day, people in solo q will stop picking tf thinking they're good enough to make the champ work in a non 5's environment
prisma ravine
Man
I havent played Zoe in so long
That I keep forgetting to aim slightly to the right
Though Im not sure why that wasnt changed by now
Unironically thats such a weird mechanic
Why does specifically Zoe have skillshots that hit slightly to the left instead of dead-center?
cursive falcon
system muted?
slim terrace
Why does specifically Zoe have skillshots that hit slightly to the left instead ...
TIL this is a thing
sinful frost
Did they get around to changing Blitz hook? It was also one of those offset skillshots
prisma ravine
Oh that was lollypopping
Iirc thats fixed yes
But yeah Zoes E is slightly shifted to the left
And its annoying
God why do ADCs have such massive egos
Just had one decide to troll despite the lane being won because he died once
night marsh
Did they get around to changing Blitz hook? It was also one of those offset skil...
Yeah it reflects off walls now
timber patio
Kneecapped? They murdered that champ lmao
wheat notch
Oh, huh
wheat notch
<@265960037552357376> it went ok
addendum btw you can start manacrystal 3 pots in a harder lane
but then you take AS minor
wheat notch
This won't really matter if your opponent's assassin Hecarim buys Force of Nature, deleting you from the game, though
I'm very salty about this game
chilly ivy
addendum btw you can start manacrystal 3 pots in a harder lane
My last hard lane (which i got blamed for) was a fizz that i "fed"
They blissfully ignored the fact that bot decided to stand in fizz's tower at lv 4
Which is ??????????????
wheat notch
by hard lane i meant moreso one in which youd need multiple pots to sustain yourself
wheat notch
bc amp tome makes you unable to farm with abilities if they poke u out
since youll just run oom before you get lostchapter
wheat notch
smh, you let wintry convert you to a shadowflame spiel
god forbid i recommend the best ap legendary by far
wheat notch
She’s getting too close to the sun, clip her wings riot
I'm almost p3 0lp thanks
wheat notch
My last hard lane (which i got blamed for) was a fizz that i "fed"
addendum x2 i like scorch with crystal start 
Took Cosmic Insight because I wanted to see how boots are into Syndra, didn't really feel a difference.
chilly ivy
Unfortunate
dapper kite
True
wheat notch
Does Sylas counter Kassadin or smthg why is this guy 1/4 🧍♀️
he doesnt have roa at 15 lmao
16 minute roa 
prisma ravine
It shouldnt?
wheat notch
3rd time I've got my secondary
thanks riot this role is definitely not My secondary for nothing
wheat notch
I think Galio might not be a RoA enjoyer
I didn't know it cancelled out Abyssal Mask
prisma ravine
Yeah it does, it was in the patchnotes
wheat notch
do u think im gonna pay attention to roa/ tank items when i onetrick ziggs 
if it doesnt affect my champ, runes, or items, im skipping it
wheat notch
Gwen is such a fair champ god damn
guy swaps with me ints her and now it's impossible to run away from her
she just immune's my satchel
eternal palm
Don’t tell lamb, that, he swears his champion is shit
wheat notch
gwen has a 49% wr
its just that she got fed lol
me disliking her kit doesnt mean that she's good
prisma ravine
Gwens a hard champ, 49% is high for her
I think shes at 35% presence rn in pro isnt she
Second-most of any toplaner, so yeah, shes definitely good rn
wheat notch
regardless idrc about that
im more annoyed by the fact that i was the only person doing well
so i cant beat the opponents
bc my champ does not 1v9!!!!
my champ can barely 1v1 specific champs!!!!!!
what can i do
prisma ravine
Yeah that sucks
Hate it when Im doing hot as a support but Im a support so good luck carrying
Also man they really just let Viktor keep crushing mid huh
eternal palm
I think shes at 35% presence rn in pro isnt she
34% in LPL
eternal palm
Should have built RoA + Seraphs 
eternal palm
crown
dim kindle
gwens steadily been getting better again
prisma ravine
34% in LPL
Yeah second-highest of any toplaner, so she is pretty damn good
dim kindle
she has a good ksante MU is the primary pro reason
prisma ravine
Especially when the highest is Ksante
eternal palm
JAx has higher presence
prisma ravine
Not as a toplaner specifically
eternal palm
yep as a toplaner. 52% top presence in lck, 66% in lpl, 80% lec
wheat notch
>crown
If I want a statstick mythic I take the one that gives me 142AP and ms instead of 100 plus health that I don't need
eternal palm
jax has eaten 26 bans so far in this early season
wheat notch
unfortunately liandry can't be passed on because everything is too tanky otherwise
eternal palm
also jax has been the more reliable ksante counter (I don't really consider it a counter, just a safer pick)
wheat notch
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
eternal palm
as we've seen globally, ksante can still solo kill the jax, but jax can just turn it into a farm lane, which is always beneficial to the jax
prisma ravine
"Youre roughly in my vicinity, D I E"
wheat notch
I'm really getting thwacked around by "hey guys artillery mage item here!!!" and then they gutted it + released Shadowflame + re-buffed it but its passive is broken + its passive does 1/4th of Shadowflame's passive damage at best
prisma ravine
Yeah I dont get what they want HF to be
prisma ravine
Even artillery mages arent using it anymore
wheat notch
every artillery got it
then they were like
hey
what the fuck
the artillery mage item
is only being bought by artillery mages?????
-30 AP, +150 Health +10 Haste for you!!!!!!
(the only champ in the game that buys it is Vel'koz bc it amps True Damage)
prisma ravine
Mages are very good rn, but artillery mages arent
So like
Just buff their item
... they still havent fixed that?
wheat notch
There's a lot of different bugs with it
the biggest one for me is it doesn't work with Liandry/Embrace burn
so it's only playable on Ziggs, hypothetically, with Luden, which is an inferior mythic rn
lemme check the preview i rmr a rioter talking about hf
prisma ravine
... it doesnt?
wheat notch
no it also doesnt work with your autos
and some other things
there is no reason to buy it unless your name is velkoz and only then maybe
prisma ravine
... it literally says "increases your damage done to them by 10%"
Why doesnt it buff those things
prisma ravine
Mmh
prisma ravine
I was gonna say "well why dont they fix the bugs" but
wheat notch
lmao
prisma ravine
... Viktors W bug is still unfixed
I reported that bug 3 years ago
And its still unfixed
wheat notch
It's such a bad buy
Like theoretically I would enjoy 15 haste over ap blunt
but the passive does nooooooooothiiiiiiing
`However if the damage you apply is through auto attacks, the damage will not get amplified. This goes beyond just your autos, any damage applied from autos won't be be buffed.
Some popular examples would be Zoe's W on-hit, Ekko's W and E, and Lux's passive on-hit not getting the bonus damage from Hypershot. If you apply true damage on your autos from first strike, it also wont get amplified. Same goes for any proc damage, such as Nashor's tooth, Wits End, BorK.
While this might not mean much for some casters who rarely auto, there are some this affects greatly. I did various tests with several champs and builds and the damage amplified from combo's was sometimes less than half of what it should have added.
I think this is probably most egregious on a test I did with Elise, who is heavily auto based. With a combo of around 2k damage Horizon contributed to 19 damage when it should've been 200 damage. I'm aware she doesn't go this item, but I wanted to see how bad it could get. Not even her minions' attacks received bonus damage despite being coded as area damage.`
wheat notch
It's real bad
After getting to toy around with Shadowflame I feel so sad about HF
Feels like the item was only popular pre-gutting because you Didn't Have Any Better Options
slim terrace
`However if the damage you apply is through auto attacks, the damage will not ge...
this was huge on zoe, I was so sad
prisma ravine
115 AP was pretty good tbh
wheat notch
Was 1600 Orb before or after Horizon?
prisma ravine
Also Im not sure it always bugged, but
I do remember it being good on Zoe for sure
wheat notch
I'm trying to pinpoint when it was good because I remember Luden - Orb - Liandry being the build on Ziggs when that was around
so I'd think HF was after that, maybe? I have no idea actually...
prisma ravine
That mustve been back when orb gave magic pen, right?
prisma ravine
I barely remember tbh
7 minutes
Shaco is already 4 0
Oh its one of those games
slim terrace
rip looks like you found the enemy team shaco
prisma ravine
Also I see they hilariously overbuffed Ryze lmao
Yeah this game sadly was not very winnable
Top went 1 7 and their shaco is fed af
And Ryze is busted
Honestly if I didnt find Ryze boring to play
Id probably just abuse him in ranked rn
It looks like freelo
eternal palm
Ryze is very fun
eternal palm
he's the only mage that doesn't have traditional movement but can make you look like a fool
prisma ravine
Honestly Id like to play more assassins but they just kinda suck for the most part
eternal palm
yeah don't. I love my fizz and talon, but i would never take them to ranked
also the buffs on Jayce feel like a little much rn, he legitly feels really strong to play
eternal palm
it will be ignored though if people keep playing him top. His better role is mid rn imo
eternal palm
akali is effectively the same if you're good with her, just don't pick her into maokai
dapper kite
wow, ziggs is really fun
prisma ravine
Does Mao have true sight or smthg?
wheat notch
What's with the sudden Ziggs player influx
did I cause this
Do agree though, very fun fuzzball
dapper kite
i was playing alot of adc and thought about expanding my options
- ziggs was one of the 10 or so champs ive never played so i figured i might aswell
dapper kite
misclick
wheat notch
fair 
dapper kite
for both actually
wheat notch
couldnt you just refund blasting wand 😭
dapper kite
no, i literally wasnt thinking about what i built
wheat notch
That's fair
dapper kite
until i had ludens and saw the effect
eternal palm
wait wintry, do you actually put a 2nd point in q level 3?
wheat notch
LMAO
yes
especially in my stratagem
because lv1 q + lv2 q kills backline if absolute focus is live
eternal palm
lmao, man I respect you
dapper kite
and then i yellled "ah ich hab ludens gebaut, ich inter" in vc at my friends