He is iconic and people like playing him
#League of Legends
prisma ravine
So as stupid as using a katana to stab people is
Its probably for the best that it stays
If I were to rework someone, it'd be Yone, because god Yones trailer was way more interesting than the actual champ
chilly ivy
i just wish we had a swordsman that is more of the quick draw concept
prisma ravine
Oh an Iai character?
chilly ivy
all swordsmen in this game just flail around with them
prisma ravine
Yeah that'd be cool
chilly ivy
idk what that is
prisma ravine
Iaido
Japanese martial art that revolves around attacking from a sheathed position and resheathing the sword after each attack
chilly ivy
ah that
but basically, just have a passive where you have your sword seathed out of combat, and you get a bonus on your first attack/ability
and a kit around it
prisma ravine
I like the idea of having a stance you can enter for slashdraws
And having your abilities change in that stance
But yeah like
Yone has two swords
chilly ivy
so basically you're forced to weave in and out of the fight to reset it otherwise you're subobtimal
prisma ravine
But his kit does nothing with that
chilly ivy
I like the idea of having a stance you can enter for slashdraws
could be the ult
prisma ravine
so basically you're forced to weave in and out of the fight to reset it otherwis...
Kha'Zix
chilly ivy
kinda
prisma ravine
Like his Q is just Yasuos Q (which also doesnt make sense because canonically Yone was unable to learn the wind techniques)
His W is him swinging one of his swords in a wide arc
His E is not even an attack
And his ult could work just as well with one sword
Why does he have two swords when it basically doesnt come up in his kit at all?
chilly ivy
well besides the passive ig
prisma ravine
Yeah but even thats kinda reaching
chilly ivy
they could work around it having bonuses depending on the next sword hit, but it'd be tedious
prisma ravine
Like in his trailer we see his swordsmanship be radically different from Yasuos, focused on an almost dance-like style
But he has none of that in his kit
Like look at this shit
It looks so much better than what we got
inner vapor
^
prisma ravine
Yeah, play normals for a while
Get a feel for the game and a good pool of champs
Before you jump into ranked
inner vapor
ok!
night marsh
do you know what role you want to play
inner vapor
another weird game
cursive falcon
didnt do amazing
that seraphine build kek
dim kindle
hope you can have fun
and your games dont get ruined by smurfs too much
game is very tough on new players
dim kindle
also cool to have more people come in
inner vapor
no more smurf now
dim kindle
yyeah basically there is a system where
after a few games
the game places you in a queue with other new/bad players and filters out the smurfs
but is not perfect
eternal palm
Lmk if you want some free coaching areo
prisma ravine
Creep score
Its how many minions you got the last hit on
Its on the scoreboard, but I have to check what its called there
Its called "minion kills" on the scoreboard
prisma ravine
Dota probably
Some of the terminology is old
People call minions creeps sometimes
Hence creepblock
sinful frost
yeah in Dota the small dudes are called creeps
the terminology carries forward even when they're called different things in other games
inner vapor
is there anything i can do about getting mana screwed
dapper kite
well, presence of mind tends to be the default
usually you just dont spam your abilities tho
inner vapor
i'm not spamming abilities
or i am
but like i am using a off cooldown
cause of the buff to attack range it hives
and it burns through mana quick
idk
sullen crystal
yeah don't just spam abilities
slim terrace
you have to kinda strike a balance between not using too much mana and not using too few abilities
best way to learn is probably watching other people like streamers lane
chilly ivy
but like i am using a off cooldown
you shouldn't spam stuff on minions with nilah unless you're fighting someone or need to shove the lane fast
casting spells on cooldown is usually a bad idea, especially early game
say, if the enemy is harrasing you when you try to last hit, you can spam q to grab them from longer range, cause having gold is better than not getting mana starved
but i don't really expect the enemy to abuse the fact you're melee in your levels
wheat notch
inner vapor
you shouldn't spam stuff on minions with nilah unless you're fighting someone or...
i'm not
i only spam abilities on enemy champions
like at begging if game i try to constantly ping the enemy with my q
i normally don't follow up with melee because well that puts me too close in range
eternal palm
You might be taking too much minion damage by doing that
Granted I haven’t explored Nilah at all since she came out
Should probably do that
inner vapor
hmm ok
idk
i feel like it's good to ping as much as possible
because than you can get the cleave on minions
which helps a lot
with getting the finals
sullen crystal
you don't really want to be doing anything to minions other than last hitting
unless you're shoving the wave
inner vapor
yeah
but i'm saying
the cleave helps last hit them
because they all go down low health same time pretty much
so i gotta hit them all at once if i want the last hit
or i won't get it
sullen crystal
yeah but just using that on each wave's backline when they get low shouldn't leave you out of mana that quickly
inner vapor
i'm doing that and aggressively pinging the enemy people
shld i stop being aggressive?
wheat notch
I love being a real champ when my opponent's don't buy enough MRes
inner vapor
what's mr?
dim kindle
big pog
eternal palm
I frankly think I overestimated ksante
When you’re playing a real champion (aka not a top laner) 1v1ing him isn’t hell on earth
sullen crystal
I've seen some clips where adc is not great vs him
eternal palm
When your adc’s are throwing the game and picking shit like jhin, yeah. I’ve had 0 issue dealing with him on kaisa or ezreal though
inner vapor
When you’re playing a real champion (aka not a top laner) 1v1ing him isn’t hell ...
why is top lane not a real champion?
eternal palm
Adc is at the point rn that if I see jhin being picked on my team, I’m dodging. I’m good on watching a jhin that left lane 4-0 tickle opposing tanks
dim kindle
I frankly think I overestimated ksante
i mean yeah he cant 1v1 every duelist in the game but the champ doenst need to do that to be busted
eternal palm
Let’s just put it this way, he’s no mundo in solo q rn
eternal palm
Mundo has a higher win rate in plat+ and diamond+. If the champs are similar and one only requires you to smash your face into your keyboard to play at a decent level, than the easier champion is way better.
prisma ravine
K'Sante was probably the strongest toplaner rn
Err is
The nerfs havent happened yet
dim kindle
if i have an autofill top laner id rather him be on mundo than ksante but if i have a very good top laner then ksante is the best champ for him to be on by a longshot
character is cracked as hell
with mundo while he still remains very silly late game people are slowly exploiting him better in lane noticably in games
prisma ravine
Mundo does seem to just be the auto-fill champ
eternal palm
It’s funny that with ksante they managed to make a CertainlyT champions even though he’s been gone from the company for years now
prisma ravine
Hes gone from the champ design team, but he is at the company still
I think he works on the MMO?
eternal palm
Oh does he? I thought he was gone altogether
Maybe I’m confusing him with ghostcrawler
night marsh
When you’re playing a real champion (aka not a top laner) 1v1ing him isn’t hell ...
1v1ing him isn’t the issue, like you said, he has an exploitable leaning phase. It’s just that it’s inevitable that he will reach that state where the rest of your team doesn’t damage him enough while he does a fuck ton of damage
prisma ravine
Wow those RoA buffs are like
nothing
100 hp is cool I guess
Also pog, Seraphs is back
night marsh
omg they finally nerfed aatrox
why did it take so fucking long
ksante nerfs are pretty big too
night marsh
the w nerf is big
that's what you maxed 2nd
and you don't get to the original power if you fully max it
this is all on top of a movement speed nerf
prisma ravine
I just figured since its mostly nerfed for the quick-tap it wouldnt be that huge, since you usually wanna charge it
But fair
night marsh
Jak'Sho, The Protean
Cost increased 3100 >>> 3200 gold
Voidborne Resilience adjustments:
Resistances increase at max stacks changed 15% total resistances >>> 20% bonus resistances
Drain increased 3% max HP >>> 80 (+7% max HP)
Drain no longer drains from minions and monsters
ok I get they nerfed all the abusers but come on lol
prisma ravine
Yeah that one struck me as odd
That looks like a buff?
Oh its total to bonus
Thats actually a big nerf
night marsh
oh nvr
I didnt realize they changed that
I thought they just straight buffed this all across the board and justified it by bumping by 100g lol
prisma ravine
Thats what the post originally said, so I thought the same
But yeah thats big
Axiom Arc is probably still bad
But it might be viable on Pyke exactly
inner vapor
wait there were changes?
prisma ravine
She got nerfed recently actually
sullen crystal
oh shit seraphs is looking hot now
dim kindle
aatrox nerfs are pretty heavy
i love how blue card is a nuke now lmao
100 hp on rod is a pretty decent buff but the issue is still the terrible meme passive
ill try it 2-3 games on swain and then put it in the trash again
eternal palm
The issue is, roa is meme on anybody that doesn’t get a huge boost from level 3 ult
I’ve personally been enjoying hitting my power spike around 3-4 minutes earlier on kassadin
prisma ravine
RoA is meme on anyone
The level is a gimmick, and even on Kassadin its meh as hell
dim kindle
kass is the only one where it doesnt feel straight up wrong
dim kindle
and uh ryze forgot about him
eternal palm
If you build anything besides roa on kassadin I’m going to assume you’re trolling. Not to mention now he gets the real 2 item spike with seraphs rework
slim terrace
from the new moment that passive was shown it was pretty clear they wanted you to build it on kass lol
watch them remove it again for being too narrow when they really just need to change that passive 
prisma ravine
If you build anything besides roa on kassadin I’m going to assume you’re trollin...
RoA is consistently his worst performing mythic of the ones commonly picked
The amount its picked also goes down the higher in elo you go
Crown is his consistently best performing mythic
Everfrost and Ludens also do better
eternal palm
Crown is a terrible item, so you can miss me with that shit
Especially on a melee mage
prisma ravine
RoA is a terrible item, Crown is just niche tbqh
dim kindle
roa not even by far best on kass is the exact example showing the item blows
post patch with seraph it will be default best though
but live patch it isnt
prisma ravine
I wonder about that
eternal palm
Considering the average game time in plat+ is sub 30, gee I wonder why RoA is the worst performing mythic 
No way that the most gold efficient item in the game isn’t winning short games
prisma ravine
Game duration goes lower the higher you go, no?
prisma ravine
No way that the most gold efficient item in the game isn’t winning short games
Thats part of the problem too, actually
eternal palm
Including surrenders it’s about 25
prisma ravine
Rod of Ages has one of the least gold efficient mythic passives
By the time its scaled its stats to be gold efficient, other items are closing that gap too
Crown for example has 20% absolute less gold efficiency compared to fully stacked RoA (not including any of its effects), but its mythic passive is 5% absolute more gold efficiency
And stats is all it has too, while crown for example still has its whole passive and the stats that gives
eternal palm
At full build crowns mythic passive makes the item 163% gold efficient. RoA is 155% gold efficient fully stacked with raw stats, not counting the 300-400 gold that an extra level is worth in raw stats nor the mythic passive
prisma ravine
Add in the 870 gold that Crowns AP when broken gives and its already 158% baseline, and it comes out to 194% total
RoA just doesn't really catch up, and thats just dumb stats
Then you have the problem that RoA means you are deliberately falling behind early in hopes that you can scale
eternal palm
Sadly RoA’s eternity passive cannot be quantified in gold hence why I did not count it, but if you want to do the math on how much free phase rush and conditional healing/mana gain is worth, be my guess
prisma ravine
The phase rush takes so much to activate it basically doesnt matter
Its over 3000 damage or 1250 mana spent
To activate
Its genuinely funny
No wait
Im not right on the mana
Its 15 per cast max
So unless your most expensive manacost is 75, you need to spend more than 1250 mana
Compared to old RoA, the new RoA costs 200 gold more, gives you 200 more mana, heals less, gives less mana back and has the level gimmick
In a game where everyones first item is stronger than when old RoA was around
Kassadin and RoA rn is just the new Nocturne and Axiom Arc situation
humble glacier
remember back when the game usually lasted like 30-40 mins at least
i do
but soon were going to need surrender at 10
humble glacier
id rather have long games over games where people give up 8 mins in
one of those is worth my time
slim terrace
got to try jak'sho swain before the nerf
man this guy feels invincible at some points
prisma ravine
Oh, huh
I didnt think of Jak'Sho Swain
... actually not sure its good now that I think about it
Liandrys just feels too neccessary to do damage
dim kindle
jak is funny but bad
been mostly doing ludens because liandry has been feeling terrible too
eternal palm
I've been seeing most pros build primordial dawn on ornn
dim kindle
i was like wtf is primordial dawn
its the ornn upgrade of radiant virtue
yeah i think radiant virtue is a sleeper item
seen it on a few supports where it looked nice too
its kinda funny on karma because she procs it so frequently with mantra
humble glacier
asol abilities teased
he calls stars down from the sky and has cosmic dragon breath
and he has Astra's gravity well
wheat notch
played with a duo 
COSMIC CREATOR - Passive Aurelion Sol's damaging abilities break down enemies into stacks of Stardust, which permanently improves each of his abilities.
BREATH OF LIGHT -Q Aurelion Sol channels his dragon breath for a few seconds, damaging the first enemy hit and splashing reduced damage onto nearby enemies. Each second the breath is channeled directly at an enemy will deal bonus damage, which is improved by the amount of Stardust that's been collected. This ability collects Stardust if the target is a champion.
ASTRAL FLIGHT-W Aurelion Sol flies over terrain in a targeted direction. While in this state, he can cast other abilities. Breath of Light no longer has a cooldown or maximum channel duration and deals increased damage while flying. Astral Flight's remaining cooldown is reduced whenever an enemy champion dies after being recently damaged by Aurelion Sol. Stardust increases Astral Flight's maximum range.
SINGULARITY-E Aurelion Sol summons a black hole, damaging enemies and slowly pulling them toward its center. This ability grants Stardust each time an enemy dies within the black hole and for each second an enemy champion is caught inside it. The center of the black hole executes enemies who are below a certain percentage of their maximum health. Stardust increases Singularity's size as well as the execution threshold.
FALLING STAR-R Falling Star: Aurelion Sol crashes a star into the earth. This impact deals magic damage and stuns enemies while also granting Stardust for each enemy champion it hits. Gathering enough Stardust transforms Aurelion Sol's next Falling Star into The Skies Descend.
The Skies Descend: Aurelion Sol drags a giant star down from the heavens with an increased impact zone and increased damage, knocking up enemies rather than stunning them. A shockwave then spreads from the edge of the impact zone, which damages and slows the enemies it hits. Stardust increases the impact area of both Falling Star and The Skies Descend.
sinful frost
League really moving more and more towards more scaling options related to hitting people
instead of accruing gold and XP
prisma ravine
... this is just Viktors passive
sullen crystal
and Syndra's now
humble glacier
^
slim terrace
tbh if they're willing to do it for multiple reworks, they're basically saying it works well and will work well in the future
the fact that they kept his old E tells me (hopefully) they're nerfing the early distance and making it scale really well in order to incentivize later cross map plays but not the early game giga roam that he was kneecapped for
dim kindle
riot just has a tendency of having brief bursts of using certain mechanics a lot
mostly because designers get inspired by each other so
its not really an issue imo but it is noticable
anyway this aurelion certainly seems more fitting to the theme of his character
I wish theyd changed his model up a little too though
prisma ravine
Its just odd because it literally seems to be Viktors passive but less restrictive
Seemingly
dim kindle
we dont know exactly how it works
doesnt seem like he gets from minions
regardless i dont have a problem with it
dim kindle
xpeke is a reference to a legendary moment in league esports history where a player called xpeke finished the game by himself in the enemy base
not sure whats going in the actual gameplay of this clip yet
looks like its staged
because the towers aer still up so its not actual backdoor
dim kindle
and the game changing direction to loser base being destroyed only happens with surrender votes
dim kindle
because its very hard to destroy the base without minions
towers because a lot weaker when minions are around
inner vapor
oh ok
dim kindle
without minions its very hard to destroy structures
inner vapor
whatever
dim kindle
its a mechanic to avoid cheeses of ppl just running at towers and destroying them without minions with certain champions
inner vapor
ok
slim terrace
~~which they need cause towers are useless vs tanks lategame ~~
humble glacier
bring back laser towers
wheat notch
Shoutout to Crown saving my soul so many times facing Draven
pretend I didn't do lowest damage tho LMAO
Does make me wonder about reworked Seraph's with Crown + Rabadon since it'd be about 360 AP just off of items
wheat notch
wow i love having 0 input in games
dim kindle
i welcome you into the club
prisma ravine
Thats one hell of a bot diff jesus
dapper kite
The average soloque experience
dim kindle
lucian into xayah sona seems a little rough
on top of lucian just feeling terrible without a passive enabler
prisma ravine
Doesnt Setts E work?
wheat notch
lucian into xayah sona seems a little rough
yeah xayah got 9 kills before her first death (at 12 minutes)
It's a miracle I stalled the game out that much
if I was any better I would've been able to make the sidelanes recover advantage
but I can only focus on myself rn
eternal palm
Surely, malphite, wukong and sett only had 1 job
But let me guess, they tried going in on the Xayah with ult up
inner vapor
what does xayah do?
dim kindle
She is a marksman that excels at playing vs melee/dive comps
she wants ppl to have to run into her and chase her through her feathers
decently strong laner too under the right circumstances traditionally vs low rangers like lucian or champs reliant on going apeshit like draven
wheat notch
wheat notch
i welcome you into the club
lol our mid unironically inted it
And he will never be touched
By the system
uncarryable team he says
I wonder who made it that way
prisma ravine
... Yi mid?
wheat notch
Surely not the Yi running it
dim kindle
yi mid kek
dapper kite
a freind of my regularly plays yi to decent success
dapper kite
chilly ivy
I've seen Yi mid work
Season 2 flashbacks
God i liked that build but it was stupid and shouldn't exist
dim kindle
ap yi alex ich montage press q poggers
prisma ravine
... it is?
dapper kite
it has like an up to 50% increase in damage based on target missing health iirc
wheat notch
yeah i got tapped by a lucians gale
and went wtf
why is the utility item doing so much dmg
I don't even care that he said super unacceptable shit I'm more upset we lost that game
I stomped early game too :/
dapper kite
TRUE!
eternal palm
I personally don't find udyr to be worth it rn
more importantly though
let me share that screen shot with my buddy who insists on blind picking vex
man got bodied by kha zix mid
dim kindle
udyr is insane rn wdym
phoenix udyr that is
one of the best solo q junglers for sure
eternal palm
is that the same udyr that goes lethality?
dim kindle
no
demonic jaksho
lethality q udyr is the stupid oneshot cheese build
that is very irritating but not really his best build
eternal palm
ah yeah lethality udyr is ass
sullen crystal
when does season start again
dim kindle
10th
dapper kite
^
dim kindle
tbf this bruiser diana build also felt completelty nuts
prisma ravine
This season the skin reward is no longer locked to gold, right?
dim kindle
but ksante litteraly 1v4d my team mid game and i would not say they played bad
dim kindle
This season the skin reward is no longer locked to gold, right?
correct
dapper kite
after playing junglers with ass clear for so long, trying out diana or heca is just euphoric
prisma ravine
I might just do the 10 games and then not play ranked
dapper kite
actually criminal how unoptimal i can play and still clear insanely fast
speaking of fast clear tho, i recently completely gapped enemy jungler as ivern
dim kindle
jaksho feels pretty crazy on bruisers but next patch is fixing it
not sure what mythic diana goes then
really prefer the tankier set ups
sullen crystal
I might actually try ranked again when season starts (I am bad at the game this will be a bad idea)
dapper kite
Also I really wanna play Kha mid again
shoulda abused hydra 😔
eternal palm
Kha mid is cool, just can’t blind pick it.
prisma ravine
Like thats gonna stop me
I think Hydra is still good on him tbh
My big issue is just how bad the mythic choices are
Prowlers is a pain, Eclipse became a bruiser mythic (because apparently 5 choices wasnt enough) and Duskblade is trash
eternal palm
Eclipse > manamune > serylda’s is your ideal 3 items most games, if they have no tank you can get away with hydra 3rd
dim kindle
are they that bad?
prisma ravine
They are, sadly
eternal palm
Eclipse still does what it does on him
prisma ravine
Assassins probably have the worst mythics, I would've said tanks a few patches back but ngl the new ones slap
dim kindle
Kha zix feels pretty strong to me and ive seen them on a lot of different builds
ive seen the "agurin build" and all the assassin mythics 2nd after hydra
prisma ravine
Prowlers is bought 95% of the time on jungle Kha because
dim kindle
all looked fine
dapper kite
agurin on kha is just so disgusting
love the guy, but i wouldnt shake his hands after a kha game
prisma ravine
The best build nowadays is probably
dim kindle
yeah he plays bruiser kha with gore but its a lot harder to play imo
prisma ravine
Prowlers, Hydra, bruiser items
Or Hydra, Prowlers, bruiser items
Ghostblade is the only lethality legendary you should ever buy, maybe edge of night if you really need the spellshield
Its genuinely rough
Kha does ... alright
Hes like a mid-tier jungler rn
Good for autofill because he is easy
eternal palm
The last game he played kha he went gore and went 0/4 lol
dim kindle
i agree assassin legendaries are meh as shit but the mythics are all good imo
prisma ravine
Nah
I mean
Prowlers is the least bad option
Eclipse is a good item, but on bruisers not assassins
Duskblade is trash
I cant think of any champ Id go duskblade on
dim kindle
eclipse is good on zed not sure why you say that
eternal palm
Eclipse actually let’s you do something vs tanks on kha, idk why you’re so down on it
prisma ravine
Because Prowlers is better on Zed
I mean I want to like Eclipse, but lowering its lethality hurt the item pretty bad
dim kindle
idt that change was that bad for assassins as you think
prisma ravine
7% omnivamp is also not that much tbh, nowadays you heal more from your W
It was
6 lethality is more valuable than 5 AD
eternal palm
In a meta where tanks are dominating, you’re not missing the lethality rn
prisma ravine
yes but it didnt make the item bad on them
Kinda did though, pretty much every assassin stopped building Eclipse, at least by good players
I know Kha doesnt (Its Prowlers), Qiyana doesnt (Prowlers), Zed doesnt (Prowlers) and Talon doesnt (Prowlers)
dim kindle
Kinda did though, pretty much every assassin stopped building Eclipse, at least ...
just not true
prisma ravine
I dont think Pyke ever bought Eclipse in the first place so he is excluded by default
Am I missing any assassins
Nocturne I guess? He never bought assassin mythics though, I think he is still on Stridebreaker
Shaco and Rengar, but the latter gets Goredrinker and the former I genuinely dont know
I dont see Shacos anymore
Kraken Slayer apparently?
Weird
eternal palm
just looking at the stats, Zed players are building eclipse in 14%+ of their games, and is by far the most popular mythic on him
Prowlers is 2nd at 10%, duskblade 3rd at 9%
prisma ravine
It gets lower the higher you get
In master+ Prowlers is 18% and Eclipse is 12%
In Challenger Eclipse fails to clear 10%
Eclipse performs worse at every elo too
night marsh
riot is changing normal game surrender so you can ff pre-20 mins with a 4/5 vote
slim terrace
thank god
wheat notch
wow yorick mid is unbeatable
wheat notch
tanks r
so not a problem huh
i love being unable to kill mundo even with elder buff
teehee
and a tank doing 2nd highest dmg after the adc
very ok !
inner vapor
r u saying tanks are too naturally tammy
And because they don't need to get stuff for tanking from store
like i would
they can get much damage?
and than be tanky asf and deal a shitton of damage?
eternal palm
@wheat notch I’m going to be officially 1 tricking malphite in ranked come the start of the season
wheat notch
Good for you?
eternal palm
Damn so cold 
wheat notch
I thought it'd be pretty obvious that I'm not in a good mood from the last messages in this chat
dim kindle
malphite is like the most non onetrickable champ no
like some drafts he is just bad to pick
wheat notch
Anyways guess I'm taking a break
this game is unplayable for me
clearly not the target audience or w.e. jesus fucking christ
eternal palm
malphite is like the most non onetrickable champ no
Watch me (also obv, I have a decently size champ pool, but prob going to just cut that down to 3-4 max across all roles)
wheat notch
Damn so cold <:sadcat:562491300868259850>
sorry btw
was a shitty way for me to respond 
dim kindle
small champ pool definitely good idea
eternal palm
was a shitty way for me to respond <:VERYSADCAT:823133770290167808>
All g, this game gets the best of us sometimes
Usually I’m the one trolling my opponents in all chat
I like winning 1v2’s then hitting them with the “?” In all chat.
wheat notch
I don't like to talk shit in general
But I've been telling people to fall into bottomless pits recently so I really really really need to fucking chill rn
eternal palm
I do it, because I feel as if it makes me play better. Like now I have to make sure we win otherwise Imma get flamed to hell for talking shit
And it backfires on me sometimes and I got to take that sour L
dim kindle
im tempted to just swap to jungle for s13 because bot is very frustrating to me
but im not good enough at opimtized clears
i feel
dim kindle
problem is clear speed like if you get really clean you can save 20s and im not just quite there on that on a few champs
and it frustrates me ig
on diana im pretty much there
eternal palm
On raptors you can save a whole 10 seconds if you clear them optimally
Diana is less forgiving
More*
But like characters that don’t have aoe, clearing optimally can save you a bunch of time
That’s why the scuttle change was really good
dim kindle
on diana i have optimal speed but on yi im like almost 20s behind compared to really good players
lol
eternal palm
Have you identified where you’re losing time yet?
dim kindle
yes
on yi specifically its just actually not that easy to fix
im just mad cuz bad
id just need to spend some time in practice tool fo rit
eternal palm
Eh not the worse I suppose
How many people are actually clearing optimally in plat anyways
dim kindle
I play in d2 ish lobbies
but after reset ill be in actual plat games
but yeah i just need to make my mind up what I want to play
dim kindle
i dont understand how morde jgl works
your clear is pretty slow and 90% of jglers beat your ass early
eternal palm
I don’t get it either tbh. You like can’t even justify it with utility ult either because like, okay you ultied while we were taking drag and now it’s a 50/50 with no smite?
dim kindle
I really like morde as a champion so I want to enjoy it but it feels so bad to play lol
he becomes a monster at 2 items so you just hope to not lose until then ig
in practice tool starting blue I finished all camps 3:10
thats not bad ig
works better than red start
yeah i cant get it nearly as fast on red side
sullen crystal
pretty sure the idea is you can do your camps and then go smack someone
instead of ganking you can just rock up in their jungle if they're not as strong
dim kindle
well crab spawns at 3:30 so generally you wanna finish all your camps before then and use the time you have before then to scout or get a quick gank in
thats kind of become the meta for a while now that only specific designed champions relying on catching players offguard deviate from
like uh shaco or evelynn
actually evenlynn probably just full clears too
night marsh
i dont understand how morde jgl works
your clear is pretty slow and 90% of jgler...
They nerfed his clear speed a bit but the idea is that your 2v2s skirmishes top and mid are good enough to hold you til 2 items when you become a threat
Morde is hella annoying when he’s at lv6 cause it’s hard to kill him with his w and ult up
dim kindle
I can see that
tbf all the matches I played him so far were pretty unplayable due to other factors as well
e.g. in the last game I played volibear pathed to the same crab as me and I just had to give it because my top didnt have prio and level 3 voli pretty much beats everyone
So I just recalled and support helped secure bot crab for voli too and he also counterganked my gank top with voli together
and my mid got solo shit on
so game was unplayable
i got double crabbed plus counterganked by jgl + support not really about the champ ig
i also just dont have that comfort level on him where I know limits super well
inner vapor
is it normal to be getting double teamed on bottom lane
cause it's me v this sona and someone else
and i'm falling so far behind
inner vapor
not in this game :(
inner vapor
only have blind pic
inner vapor
game just ended
that was the worst game ive ever played
it almost seems like the atrox was smurfing or smt
but idk
eternal palm
Uh
It’s super common to get 5 man dove bot
Well 4 man is more common
But sometimes their top laner decides to make sure you’re really dead
dim kindle
yeah just unbalanced game matchmaking wise
get into draft as soon as you can
blind pick is a hot mess
you enjoying nilah?
dim kindle
thats nice
I think she is probably a solid beginner champ
despite her being pretty new
honestly I think its just really cool to see new players getting into league
because the game has a huge problem with that
eternal palm
Idk if I would consider Nilah a good beginner champ
Since she goes against the traditional adc logic
dim kindle
i dont think thats a problem for learning the game
you play bot, you farm
you just share extra xp and you are shorter range than marksman
wont teach you how to lane as a marksman but it doesnt need to
eternal palm
Your positioning is much different with Nilah than a standard adc would be my worry
sullen crystal
that is statistically impossible
you will be banned out eventually either on your team or the other team
slim terrace
at some point yeah
even though nilah is probably just a really questionable champ to ban
inner vapor
:(
slim terrace
man you'd figure after over a decade of this game people would figure out to focus and peel the trynd
especially on aram where he has multiple buffs, and when he's on a team with 4 other squishies
but you have an alistar who dives their backline and complains asking why we're not following
prisma ravine
Tbh
You can get near 100% with Nilah
No one is picking or banning her
... ok some people are banning her in lower elos
dim kindle
I want to shoot myself
just played an insane comeback and then we tossed it at the nexus
and i had my aphelios penta stolen
night marsh
man you'd figure after over a decade of this game people would figure out to foc...
You never play with me anymore
How quickly the leave you when they hit grandmaster
dim kindle
id be down to play some together if we can find a time
night marsh
You have an NA account?
We should make a master post to pin with all our summoner names
Separated by region
dim kindle
yeah i play in NA now
slim terrace
You never play with me anymore <:pensivecowboybread:737367263635570688>
you never invite me smh
idk when you're on
night marsh
lmk next time you're bored and want to play
or I guess if I see you online
I will . you
slim terrace
you'll . me huh
humble glacier
do any chars have 20 skins yet?
dim kindle
https://streamable.com/0ammmv had a very nice aphelios moment while extremely behind
rest of the game was why you dont play aphelios
dim kindle
he was solo keeping us in the game until this point so i assume he was a little salty
think i need to stop taking full scaling for teamfight runes on aphelios
lane was not playable
eternal palm
I got 4 man dove bot yesterday while I was still level 1
And proceeded to get 4 man dove 4 more times after that
I was never able to get into the game
Luckily I was with a duo and we were just laughing it off
Otherwise that would have been a miserable experience
inner vapor
I was never able to get into the game
isn't that the point tho?
that you don't let enemy bot play
or add
adc
cause they always will be doing most damage
wheat notch
The season start cinematic is so shit lol
what is thissss man
at least show off baron or smthg but its just a lame walk from one fountain to the other!!!
dim kindle
you can really feel league getting put on low priority
dim kindle
upset gets top 10 consistently when he grinds
slim terrace
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-13-1-notes/ seraph's got changed to a decent item 
the shield and AP are back holy fuck
dim kindle
kassadin p/b moment
dapper kite
upset gets top 10 consistently when he grinds
so do like half the rest on that list
agurin and bo in particular are just grind machines tho
slim terrace
yeah they nerfed the top 4 and sion seems pretty nice too
eternal palm
Lissandra buffs are huge for a champ that already had a niche as a counter pick
dim kindle
so do like half the rest on that list
yeah i dont disagree bo and agurin are the favourites but upset is for sure a contender still
he is more reliant on bot meta though
humble glacier
https://twitter.com/noway4u_sir/status/1612893377900544000?s=20&t=qqMzzH9-M4wxM2...
oh there are more than one of these?
oh god
dim kindle
what do you mean "one of these"?
humble glacier
high elo player race to x rank
night marsh
Riven mains are truly something lol
wheat notch
yeah ok
the item buffs did nothing to me
the 23 AP over Sflame is not worth it and horizon still blows
night marsh
slim terrace
people are doomposting so hard on the league sub rn man
slim terrace
yeah the chess one was really funny, I'm surprised nobody compared it to the faker shitpost
they were too busy pointing out it was a 600 elo chess game
night marsh
What faker shit post
eternal palm
The match where he was trolling on Neeko vs g2
Actually might be the worst single game performance of faker’s career
wheat notch
19 minute game btw
wheat notch
https://www.weibo.com/tv/v/IeG0zd3sJ?fid=1034:4434980604963013
🧍♀️
wheat notch
yeah the chess one was really funny, I'm surprised nobody compared it to the fak...
the comments were so toxic for 0 😭
ha
inner vapor
one thing i dislike a bit with nilah
is that there aren't any super flashy "combos"
slim terrace
5 man ults are pretty flashy
wheat notch
I want to play the least flashy champion ever
as long as they're good and fit criteria I enjoy
give me ziggs but infinitely more boring and i'd get 10102041 million mastery on it
inner vapor
5 man ults are pretty flashy
yeah but i more mean like i saw smt on yt
where a dude like tp through wall or smt and basically installing
instakill
dim kindle
new season, same varus coinflipping
ghost has been baller though
but yeah 2nd game my mid ran it down like 1/11 and i couldnt outcarry camille because bruisers are just like that atm
dim kindle
Glover Prime
slim terrace
understandable
inner vapor
awww
i cant do draft
:(
is it worth buying 20 champions
to unlock it
i have the blue stuff to
slim terrace
it's worth learning at some point ye
make sure to get champs for multiple roles just in case your usual gets banned
inner vapor
hmm
i unlocked
i selected bottom
as first priotrity
what should be second
wait isnt there a champion
whos a support
whos dumb easy to play?
yuri or smt
yuuri?
slim terrace
yuumi but honestly I'd avoid her for now
inner vapor
ok
slim terrace
since you're still learning she might develop bad habits for you
inner vapor
ok
slim terrace
it's good to learn general micro and stuff
inner vapor
should i select top as second than?
slim terrace
up to you
inner vapor
ok
slim terrace
there's a bunch of supports that have a lot of skill expression too if you wanna do supp too
if you're about flashy plays then mid might be a nice secondary, that has a lot of burst champions
jungle does too
inner vapor
jungle seems complicated tho
slim terrace
like qiyana is the prime example of hopping out of a bush then blowing up a whole team
prisma ravine
Yuum is not easy to play lmao
She also sucks
If you want an easy support
Just pick like Janna
night marsh
If you like nilah, you should try Samira
She’s also@another adc@with a similar playable to@nilah
inner vapor
isnt jungle rly complicated or smt
night marsh
A little
inner vapor
hwo should i ban
idk who i should worry about
ahhhh
people keep leaving during champion selection
:(
why is it so hard to find a game
yay finally got a game
😸
and they surrendered in first 2 seconds
:(
imma stick to blind draft
slim terrace
rip
slim terrace
isnt jungle rly complicated or smt
jungle is easier now at least cause they tell you how to path for your first clear, but the gist of it is you go around and help whichever lane needs it, or snowball lanes that are already ahead
slim terrace
if this goes through zoe might literally be one shotting some champs lmao
prisma ravine
Is that to replace the true damage thing?
slim terrace
as far as I can tell it's in addition to?
if it's a replacement then that's pretty interesting, idk how that stacks up
prisma ravine
Oh itd be worse if an ally triggered it
No it has to be in addition then
... why?
Oh, sub-3% pick rate
Yeah that makes sense
night marsh
if this goes through zoe might literally be one shotting some champs lmao
Please god no
prisma ravine
Although I think I get what the idea is
Its to incentivise E-Q-R-Q over the standard Q-R-Q-E
wheat notch
Loving my placements rn
There is no fucking way
my best is not good enough for Platinum
🗿
eternal palm
You peaked my friend
It’s alright, you and lamb are the same rank
(Though you’re better via nature of playing in the harder region)
dim kindle
(Though you’re better via nature of playing in the harder region)
can confirm euw is harder
slim terrace
<:cheems:683182129668292685>
how did elise tank so much
night marsh
(Though you’re better via nature of playing in the harder region)
wint is a ziggs player
eternal palm
Yeah and? You play one of the most toxic champions ever created in this game
eternal palm
I rather vs irelia and jax 10 times out of 10 instead of vsing Mrs. “I’m immune”
night marsh
both the champs you listed are just flat out better champs lol
well I guess not jax after the rework
but counterstrike is such a fucked ability
irelia is just broken conceptionally
there's no shot you think irelia is healthier than gwen
when gwen has been a noob trap (in pro and soloq) for the past X months
not being able to move in q, low defensive stats even with w, no tankiness to match her role int eamfights, needing ult for every fight
only broken thing in her kit is w and e, and e got nerfed so hard
eternal palm
I find Irelia and Jax way easier to deal with than Gwen personally. Gwen, GP and Fiora are the vain of my existence
Which actually brings up my point as to why I left top lane
night marsh
whoa re you even playing
eternal palm
All the champs there are so toxic
night marsh
I agree all of otp is toxic
but like gwen is a low offender of that lol
everything she does is worse than what the upper echelon of top offers
I wish they would just change her w and give her tankier stats
or at least let use move while using q
eternal palm
Haven’t seen Gwen lately, but Gwen in her prime was freelo, and as long as she has the stupid mist she’ll never not be an annoying champion to deal with
Like full conq stacks Gwen was actually just disgusting, what made it worse was how quickly she actually stacked it
night marsh
i was when she first came out
then they took away her insanely busted e
and she became shit
then they buffed her health per level and she became playable but still worse than every top option
once they nerfed that, she's been shit ever since
also tbf her E should not have been like that on release
they lost their damn minds with that
eternal palm
I wouldn’t even say she’s shit rn, surely she has a good matchup into the top 3 tanks right now
Although ornn can and will always just turn that into a farm lane, and good luck trying to get your solo W jungler to dive him
night marsh
she's good vs tanks but she's still sitting at the winrate she was prior to preseason. Also keep in mind you're always on a clock vs the current tank tops rn
you shit on them in lane but they outscale the fuck out of you
ksante would rip through your team like butter later if you went even with him
also her issue is that juggernauts are just fucking aids to play vs
eternal palm
The Mundo nerfs seemed to be good enough
night marsh
darius only on his 25th consectuive meta of being A+ tier
no biggie
akshan also needs to be deleted
eternal palm
Eh ain’t nobody actually bitching about darius though
Jayce will get a nice bump post buffs
Renekton is high key kinda cope rn
night marsh
renekton has been good for a minute tho
every top laner has a pocket renek
hell my first game was on him this season
eternal palm
He’s that one champion that’s everybody’s comfort pick
Like if you’re a top laner, you know how to play Renekton and ornn
wheat notch
wint is a ziggs player
Is this supposed to be an insult
night marsh
no, basically saying ziggs is 1 screen away while I'm busting my cocks off top
wheat notch
Ah
humble glacier
if this goes through zoe might literally be one shotting some champs lmao
zoe E mr shred only applies during the sleep and wears off when target wakes up,
and base MR values are low enough that this is going to remove less than a null magic mantle if you dont build MR
of course the buff helps but this is mainly for tanks and it seems implemented well enough.
sullen crystal
dim kindle
its the opposite
this is supposed to remove it from fighters and give it back to assassins
though the changes dont necessarily 100 percent reflect that
depends more on the champ rather than the clas
s
eternal palm
The shield being up more often is nice
prisma ravine
this is supposed to remove it from fighters and give it back to assassins
If that was the intent they would've said that somewhere
It also doesnt make sense because assassins value omnivamp way higher than haste
night marsh
https://twitter.com/TheTruexy/status/1613982012515422209?s=20&t=HD19Mj6foZoEwBAH...
What is syzyq
sullen crystal
What is syzyq
ornn upgraded eclipse
night marsh
O
Omg yes, they finally nerfed botrk
Praise Allah
Also cleaver getting buffed is nice
All I see are kled buffs
They didn’t hit the percentage damage on auto though, sadge
wheat notch
dapper kite
Surely bo or agurin just clear, no?
upset actually close than id thought
eternal palm
wowowowwiwowoowowo
So 500 extra gold for 10 flat pen, 100 less health and always applying 40% GW?
dim kindle
yeah but the item just becomes a way better buy
overall
there are situations where you want pen but giant slayer isnt great value
or you need heal reduc but rest of reminder isnt great
and its a weak 2nd item purchase
this makes it a better 2nd and 4th item purchase overall
absolutely insane comeback win
wheat notch
glover why are you talking about ad items when it's morello
dim kindle
entire team macrod so well except for sion
because mortal reminder also got proposed changes and I forgot the context of the convo
so i just talked about mortal
my bad
dim kindle
ye i saw this earlier and came back now to type and i forgot that it was about morello
so i just typed my thoughts on mortal i had earlier
big mb
wheat notch
anyways can i get pen on orb again 🥺 i lived for luden orb liandry before item rework
dim kindle
I feel like current morello is actually okayish if overall mages werent so reliant on just buying max damage all the time
but gonna be better this way
wheat notch
I mean
dim kindle
that you can buy it instead of shadowflame situationally
dim kindle
idt anyone really does that
wheat notch
i did it
dim kindle
to mess with dorans shield and second wind
but idt buying morello for ap value is worth it
but i didnt do the math
wheat notch
it's just last slot
dim kindle
so
wheat notch
bc there isnt anything better
like im buying a 90ap statstick w gw or horizon (dogshit) or cosmic drive (takes too long) or lichbane (cant abuse well enough)
etc etc
dim kindle
usually its zhonyas though no?
wheat notch
they're less dmg and also like
wheat notch
in an uncoordinated environment especially a zhonyas is just delaying my death by a few sec
plus if im in a place to use zhonyas as artillery its either
me mispositioning
dim kindle
i just have a hard time thinking zhonyas isnt great because everytime i buy a stopwatch on adc for late game teamfight the value is so crazy
like litteraly game winning
wheat notch
or my frontline being ran over
ye it's just like
if i dont do mythic sflame void rabs in my first 4
i will fall off immensely
arguably i can slot in orb after rabs
dim kindle
in that game I just posted we litteraly won because I stop watched on kha zix jumping me after he blew his first rotation (soaked by shield bow) and I waited 2s for his cd
wheat notch
oh also Ziggs can just satchel off of a k6 like that if he's not thaaaat fed
dim kindle
if i dont do mythic sflame void rabs in my first 4
this i 100% agree with
wheat notch
i tried seraphs 2nd and hf 2nd and they were both so underwhelming
dim kindle
but I think like morello as last slot doesnt really make sense unless for some reason you need gw but no one thought about building it yet
wheat notch
eh it's just like
i think 90ap plus gw will be naturally better than 100ap horizon with bugged passive
or cosmic only becoming 100ap after 3 attacks thats too long
for me specifically
I'd rock with Cosmic if it triggered instantly off of minefield like thunderlords used to but lol
wheat notch
i tried seraphs 2nd and hf 2nd and they were both so underwhelming
i also tried horizon last in slot it only did like 2k dmg in 13 mins or something? it felt likg shit.
ill check replay tomorrow
eternal palm
Glover is right btw, morellos 2nd pre this change was super troll
It’s so troll it became a meme because pro players would do it so often
wheat notch
i never said anything about buying it 2nd, though? neither did glover
i just said you bought it for damage because the damage alternatives sucking fuck
oh I'm blind
sullen crystal
played aram for the first time in a while and remembered why I don't play it
got hit by their team having a stupid ass broken draft and we had 3 supports
wheat notch
i can't believe I've mischaracterised velkoz and xerath as being superior to ziggs
there is no way this is the 2nd best artillery in the game bro what the hell
Twitter
phew
eternal palm
I’ll wait for LS’ tier list to compare. I do think mid rumble fucks a lot of shit up currently
dim kindle
pretty decent list overall id say
dont think azir belongs A anymore for solo q
not even in high elo
slim terrace
is zac mid a thing
prisma ravine
Very niche counterpick I believe
dim kindle
its a thing
pretty strong
generally just kind of an overtuned champ and has very strong set ups
eternal palm
Very hard to have kill pressure on zac mid