EDG are also playing back-to-back
#League of Legends
sinful frost
I think it's inevitable that some teams will play back-to-back if the entire round robin is done in one day
T1 is also playing back-to-back
the only team not playing back-to-back is C9 lol
similar shtick for all four days
only team not having back-to-back games tomorrow is JDG
dim kindle
i think playing back to back can be an advantage and a disadvantage
but either way its pretty normal for it to happen
on another note
are drops working correctly
i hear from ppl they get a crap ton and I get like 1 a day
sinful frost
could be luck
I've gotten like one a day the past few days
but I also got a lot on the first two or three days of games
maybe they're drop throttling us
slim terrace
are you leaving the stream on through pre and post game?
sinful frost
also you have to be watching on lolesports.com
also I think you need to leave the sound of the video player on
You can mute the tab, though
dim kindle
are you leaving the stream on through pre and post game?
yea its on entire time
sinful frost
I've gotten no drops today
sinful frost
finally two drops
slim terrace
even if it meant something I don't really have faith in NA 
humble glacier
nationalism!
slim terrace
well also the constant "NA KEKW" comments
dapper kite
Twitter
slim terrace
maybe not at the same event
prisma ravine
Welp, looks like G2 is playing awful today
Ngl though, dont like how crit was the difference between caps living and dying
slim terrace
it's okay it's just NA's typical pattern of win 1 game to give fans false hope 😎
eternal palm
more like EG watched 1 game from summer LEC and realized G2's bot lane has been hot garbage since msi
prisma ravine
Still, not a big enough example of "crit deciding outcomes"
I do hope that the final teamfight in game 5 of the finals is just ruined completely by crit
So that Riot is finally forced to fix it
sinful frost
does your normal solo/duo queue rank/MMR
affect your flex rank/MMR?
night marsh
I don't think so
should be a seperate thing
your solo/duo can be affected by your normal mmr though
sinful frost
hmm
do I push for the Victorious Sej
I am a true Bronze player
can I make it to Gold IV in Flex
night marsh
if you have someone to carry you through promos, it's pretty easy
@slim terrace is challenger so he could probably help you
slim terrace
challenger more like challenged lmao
sinful frost
reminder I am a Bronze player that gets gapped by Silvers
dim kindle
IIRC flex placments used to be affected by solo q rank but dunno if thats still the case
slim terrace
jdg vs dk tiebreaker was insane goddamn
sinful frost
team diff moment
maybe Flex queue really is easier
already Bronze II after my firs tplacement
slim terrace
outdamaged top and jung 
freest fuckin lane of my life, their thresh straight inted and trist followed
got mastery 7 off this game
(ignore the roles/orders, got bugged out during champ select)
sinful frost
yo the double jungler strat
very pog
is that ur main account
add me on League like we're trading socials like it's 2010
slim terrace
yeah that's my main
sinful frost
sent
slim terrace
ok, I'm done for tonight but maybe another day
sinful frost
dapper kite
it looks a bit like a yone type deal, dont it?
sinful frost
dapper kite
peak itembuild
sinful frost
don't believe the video
they have him a no-damage build
so they can say he has no damage
sinful frost
gotta love how much he's getting tower-dove in his trailer
and he's still only barely winning
night marsh
this champion looks terrible lmao
chilly ivy
the ult confuses me a bit
It seems you push a distance, carrying a champ with you, but you end behind them
night marsh
he was 1v1 under tower in 2 of these clips and still almost lost these fights
chilly ivy
Idk what's the second part
chilly ivy
this champion looks terrible lmao
He doesn't even sound fun tbh
night marsh
they kind of fucked themselves
chilly ivy
But that's for each their own
night marsh
when designing new juggernaut/tanks
cause you have to compare them to the current pool of juggernauts which rule top lane
like I'm watching this and this man does 0 damage and has long as fuck cooldowns
why play this when sett/darius/aatrox exist
prisma ravine
Im moreso confused by his ult
chilly ivy
I like the idea, but what's the point if you as a tank get the fuck out of the fight and go 1v1
That doesn't sound like a tank to me
night marsh
seems like his ult is a dash and drags anyone you hit with it
but if you hit a wall, it will carry you across?
chilly ivy
Smth along those lines
chilly ivy
I dont like how it places the target behind him though
Imo that part sucks, if you drag someone towards your team, you no longer cut off their path
I saw tonfas and i wanted a Lloyd Bannings
I didn't get one
prisma ravine
Lloyd would've been sick ngl
sinful frost
like I'm watching this and this man does 0 damage and has long as fuck cooldowns
remember they gave him a full tank build
not a single fighter or even bruiser item
clearly they wanted to emphasize his not-dying in this trailer
also they branded him as a "high skillcap tank"
whatever that means
sinful frost
GAM v TES
best game of the tournament
no spoilers
go watch it
okay DRX vs RGE is tryna make a contest out of it with this draft
slim terrace
best game of the tournament
damn that was a banger
dim kindle
he was 1v1 under tower in 2 of these clips and still almost lost these fights
i think basing anything off those gameplay teasers strength wise is pretty silly
they take these highlights from internal testing usually which is decently high level play
slim terrace
today is a banger day for champs picked at worlds
nasus supp, syndra supp, 2 wins on heimer supp
dim kindle
Heimer supp was hyped up as secret pick so much
the nasus pick was a dumpster fire ngl
its been treated as a maybe not bad vs kalista with w max before
but this is pre buff nasus
and like
nasus and syndra as counter picks to heimer is raw copium
slim terrace
I don't really get nasus as a counterpick to heimer, usually he's a counterpick to stuff like kalista cause you max wither then make her useless
dim kindle
thats what i just said ye but they picked it in response to heimer
which means there was probably 1 scrim where it worked vs bad heimer performance
and was a false data pick
Syndra I assume was actually unpracticed and gams midlaner who plays a lot of syndra probably just said "it works vs heimer mid so why not bot?"
slim terrace
I love twitch chat sometimes
slim terrace
TES finally come online because the theme of this worlds is fucking with EU apparently lmao
sinful frost
damn matchmaking is wild in flex
second placement game
I'm in bronze
I'm surrounded by plats
dapper kite
That be how it is
slim terrace
I queue for a normals and adc locks in yuumi
that's the universe telling me to stop for the night
slim terrace
sinful frost
sinful frost
after three flex queue games
I have come to the conclusion that people in flex queue are more toxic
night marsh
want me to carry you little man? @sinful frost
sinful frost
maybe
not sure you can carry all this weight especially if our party MMR goes way up
unless you got a low MMR smurf you don't mind no longer being low MMR
sinful frost
not right now
night marsh
kk
sinful frost
our hours might not even line up lol
night marsh
np
sinful frost
but thanks for the sentiment
night marsh
you kids these days 
slim terrace
ayo?
slim terrace
it was akshan for me too ye
sinful frost
I'm starting to think everyone got Akshan
slim terrace
I think you actually need the skin in order to use it though, unfortunate
sinful frost
they really gave everyone a chroma to get more people to buy a skin
slim terrace
at least I got 3/4 groups 100% perfect in groups pickems
got the 4th group super wrong though
dim kindle
yea everyone got it
except my dumbass
because i didnt check on my lolesports and it stopped running for some reason
but its ok i dont play akshan
sinful frost
why are all these mobafire guides for poppy suggesting domination keystones
is this the meta
sullen crystal
is this pred boots poppy
sinful frost
I've seen all four domination keystones suggested lol
Dark Harvest most of all
Phase Rush next most common non-domination rune
sullen crystal
I feel like dh is for lethality poppy
most of the time when I play I go grasp in lane and pred/phase in hungle
sinful frost
I've seen Electrocute and Predator suggested too
Even Hail of Blades
Don't get that one
dim kindle
why are all these mobafire guides for poppy suggesting domination keystones
is t...
stay away from mobafire generally
dim kindle
wow i wouldve had perfect pick em If Drx and tes were swapped
idk why i even did that becauae i was rooting for kr > ch
mustve forgotton fak
eternal palm
Rogue > JDG
RNG > T1
EDG >>>>>> DRX
DK > Gen G
eternal palm
Yeah, but it’s Wei we’re talking about. I don’t think DRX has an advantage in any single role
2022 Deft and Beryl vs Viper and Meiko? Lmfao
slim terrace
that's true actually yeah lol
eternal palm
The only thing that can possibly stop EDG from winning this series is how bad they’re affected by covid rn
4/5 of them have symptoms
RNG vs T1 should be a banger though. And Zeus better bring his A game vs Breathe
Oh RNG apparently also has covid
slim terrace
yeah shit sucks
I still have jdg over rogue, while rogue has looked pretty strong I still think jdg has got some crazy talent rn
counting on 369 to roll a 9
kanavi's also just the best jungler in the world rn tbh
sinful frost
emergency question
is neeko jungle real
slim terrace
probably not
sinful frost
sinful frost
also his bio and short story are out
dim kindle
I think riot has a big problem with making champions too allrounder
I like the insights article but conceptually why should a tank be able to just say fuck it im going to beat duelists
He does obviously make a trade off in general utility and putting himself out of frontline in doing so
night marsh
at least they had the foresight to make him lose health+resistances when he goes all out
if this nibba was made a year ago, he'd keep both
dim kindle
With so many champs in the game they have to rely on new ideas such as this
sinful frost
lamb it's current year you can't just say things like that
dim kindle
But generally speaking new champions get away with being way more versatile than they realistically should be
sinful frost
I'll try him on the PBE
see if he can jungle
he does look kinda fun
I'm not much of a outplayer, though
night marsh
also yeah, champs doing too much has been a problem for awhile now
one of my biggest pet peeves in this game is when a problamtic champ gets nerfed and also recieves a complementary buff in the same patch to offset the nerf
night marsh
yeah, favorite champ to play
yeah
gwen just needs to get her w removed at this point
only 4 games at worlds and she has a 25% wr lol
after they nuked her last patch
dim kindle
Gwen is in that awk spot where realistically she only gets picked when she is better than the other similar options
rn you pick fiora instead
whenever inevitably camille is meta again itll be her
Anyway its a practice they started with good intentions but they just use it as a fake changes now
biggest example: nerf base damage, buff ratio
very classic
if they want it to be a fake nerf they make it so it balances out the moment when it would be relevant
gwen is the best team fighter out of her class of champions though probably
under the right circumstances
slim terrace
when she's meta, lategame she just runs through teams tbh
night marsh
late game is like 9k gold
which is way too long
for how much you get shit on early
also another issue is lack of items to choose from
you only have 1.5 mythics to actually choose from
wheat notch
How's RoA gonna be on Gwen
night marsh
no idea but it looks worse than riftmaker on paper
wheat notch
slim terrace
I feel like you aren't using new roa unless you want the extra level passive
sullen crystal
or you're playing ryze kassa etc
eternal palm
from what I saw from the k'sante gameplay
sullen crystal
I still think it should have just been a normal item again
slim terrace
I imagine the extra level would be fantastic on kass? your ult is your life
cdr is big too
prisma ravine
Problem is its way too slow
Kassadin in the lategame wins anyway, you want to bridge that gap until that point
RoA does nothing for that
prisma ravine
It was slow, but it had 3 key advantages over the new one
1, it wasnt mutually exclusive with other really strong items
2, it had a passive that granted you survivability and ways to gain back mana
3, it had a lot less competition since there werent a lot of high mana items
eternal palm
And if it gives you an extra level that’s even better, if you’re not side laning as Kass you’re doing something wrong, this gives you the potential of being a level 13-14 Kass while opposing bot lanes are vs level 9-10 bot lanes
prisma ravine
Also 5: it was 15% cheaper
The extra level comes online so late that its basically irrelevant
In fact, youre more likely to gain more levels by having a stronger item early on, than buy an item that is horribly inefficient for ... 7 minutes I think?
And keep in mind, at 7 minutes its just 100% efficient
Most Mythics are 120+% efficient when you buy them
I don't see Kassadin ever picking it over Ludens or Everfrost, and I don't see other champs picking it over Liandrys
eternal palm
To be fair, the type of champion you’re building RoA on aren’t spiking early anyways so that argument idt is relevant
You’re not picking kassadin, anivia for early-mid game spikes
prisma ravine
It is
You're not spiking early on
But you need to bridge that gap
You win lategame anyway, but you have to get to lategame first
And youre gonna fall much further behind if you buy RoA instead of another mythic
Old RoA did do that, because it was immediately almost gold efficient, and came with an incredibly good passive
It was cheap, it gave you waht you wanted, and there werent a lot of alternatives
slim terrace
I don't really see how getting to lategame is as relevant unless you're going against a champ with a shit ton of kill pressure tbh
you're missing out on health/mana restore but you're getting cdr and more mana with new roa than the old one
prisma ravine
I don't really see how getting to lategame is as relevant unless you're going ag...
Mythics are a huge powerspike and games are decided earlier than ever
Kassadin shines in the lategame, but its not easy getting there
You do get a bit more mana, but its not even enough to fix the gold efficiency math
And keep in mind, Everfrost gives those 600 mana immediately, instead of after 10 minutes
CDR is also pretty whatever, you only get it when it already stops being as relevant
sullen crystal
I mean considering you're building this item on champs that want to scale anyway you probably start tear, so not getting your big burst of extra mana instantly isn't the worst thing ever
prisma ravine
Oh you never start tear
It stacks fast enough that you can get it on your first back
And sure, it alone isnt a dealbreaker
But the whole package just compares exceptionally poorly to Everfrost
sullen crystal
I wouldn't say that you never start tear
starting tear means you're stacking it immediately and also you're spending 400 gold on roa instead of a tear
prisma ravine
For 100 more gold, you get 50 more hp, 10 less AP, 20 less CDR, 200 less mana, and don't have the incredibly strong active Everfrost has
I would say you never start tear because tear start isnt even common enough to be listed in stat websites
The drawbacks of it don't make up for the slight advantages it has
eternal palm
You don’t start tear but you get it first back
prisma ravine
Yeah pretty much
slim terrace
idk if you do that here cause you want to get roa as early as possible
sullen crystal
I start it because I'm an epic gamer
slim terrace
remember that it stacks every minute as opposed to every 40 seconds like old roa
sullen crystal
you want to get it as close to 10 minutes as you can
prisma ravine
... wait did the old one not stack once a minute too?
slim terrace
nop
prisma ravine
I swear 40 seconds was Aram
eternal palm
It was def a minute
slim terrace
oh no you're right idk what I saw
eternal palm
Might have been buffed later but at some point it was a minute
prisma ravine
Aram probably
But yeah, I expect this RoA to be released, and become the new worst mythic
Im not even sure what the worst mythic is rn
Duskblade?
slim terrace
either way if kass isn't building roa I see them buffing it somehow, the champ and the item are supposed to be a match made in heaven tbh
sullen crystal
I think it's just best to see how it pans out after the patch
prisma ravine
What I don't get is
sullen crystal
it seems good after looking at people on the pbe play it
sullen crystal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
thats what I say
but people ik keep telling me that it's too broken to not be a mythic
prisma ravine
Like I get that Riot doesnt like acknowledging that the whole mythic system and the item update it came with was a colossal failure that should probably be reverted entirely but
Just let people buy a non-mythic first item
slim terrace
idk how it's too broken but w/e
slim terrace
I'll miss building it on champs like diana but it's nice to have it back
eternal palm
Nothing can be worst than night harvester
prisma ravine
Night Harvester at least has champs its decent on
eternal palm
It has 1, nidalee
prisma ravine
Though its mostly just a Rumble item
RoA I expect to have 0 champs its worth picking on, in its current state
eternal palm
Rumble not building rocketbelt is kinda troll
prisma ravine
On Ryze you'd rather go Everfrost, same as Kassa, on Swain you'd rather go Liandrys
Rocketbelt sucks on Rumble
Well "sucks" is harsh
eternal palm
Rocketbelt is by far the best item on rumble
prisma ravine
Its worse than Night Harvester
But I guess its an ok second option
I guess Rocketbelt is another bad item tbh
But I think RoA is also worse than it
eternal palm
You can’t equate rocketbelt’s value off raw stats, the dash is priceless.
Same reason why galeforce is on paper worse than the other adc mythics, but in execution the best
eternal palm
Back before trinity force got mega nerfed wintry, trinity force on maokai was legit because he had the best base stats in the game
So vs heavy ap comps you weren’t sheen into SV into completed trinity force
And you were an unkillable machine while also destroying squishies
prisma ravine
The thing that confuses me most about preseason though
Is how assassin itemisation is dogshit
It was just made worse because Riot decided to make Eclipse a fighter mythic instead of an assassin mythic
And they got ... nothing?
eternal palm
Blame the community
prisma ravine
Tbh even the community was confused by the Eclipse change
eternal palm
At around season 6 or 7, I forget which, the community made it abundantly clear they rather have tank metas over assassin metas
Even though assassin metas were skillful af
night marsh
whenever an assassin meta happens, someone is just deleted every 60 seconds
in no way is that more skillful than tank formats lol
prisma ravine
And individual actions matter way more in that
It absolutely is more skillful
Think BB vs Melty
night marsh
individual actions like trying to dodge zed r->e lol?
I dream of a tank meta again
and another damage reduction across the board
tanks like ornn should not be 100-0ing other champs
prisma ravine
individual actions like trying to dodge zed r->e lol?
I mean, there is a reason the Zed outplay from Faker is still famous
But the only thing people remember about the tank meta is how much it sucked
night marsh
people will say any meta sucks
support metas are the ones most hated
and no one talks about that enough
prisma ravine
I find the opposite, people never shut up about Janna
But tank metas were actually ass
eternal palm
Wdym, everybody refers to Ardent censor meta as the worst meta of all time?
The most fun meta imo was with ekko and fizz top building sunfire
night marsh
you lost your goddamn mind
prisma ravine
Season 3 was the most fun
night marsh
that was the worst of both options lmao
night marsh
black cleaver format was nice
and most every top format before the juggernaut update
that made darius forever s tier
prisma ravine
But yeah, ngl, they should be working on assassin itemisation
Revert the Eclipse nerf and make it somehow a bad option on non-assassins
night marsh
nerf botrk and death dance while you're at it
prisma ravine
Give us more legendary items that are actually worth buying than exactly Ghostblade and maybe the spellshield one
Hell, make that Assassin hydra item you were planning to make
And remove Axiom Arc which is a bad item anyway
sinful frost
they're too afraid to make Axiom Arc worth having
currently it would only be bought on champs with a super long ult cooldown that wouldn't necessarily be up for the next teamfight (I think there are no champs like this)
or people who want to ult twice in a teamfight, but 25% per takedown is too little to matter
prisma ravine
Its still funny to me that it was nerfed
slim terrace
tanks like ornn should not be 100-0ing other champs
wasn't that the reason we had a tank meta, shyvana could build bork, go straight tank then still run you the fuck down when you couldn't kill her
prisma ravine
An item so bad it made Nocturne drop tiers just because everyone bought it
And it got nerfed
night marsh
wasn't that the reason we had a tank meta, shyvana could build bork, go straight...
don't remember shyvana. I remember specifically maokai and ornn building sunfire and being unkillable
maybe not ornn
slim terrace
there was tank ekko too
eternal palm
ornn kinda broke the mold of tanks and we've been suffering ever since
night marsh
there was that meme where an adc spent a minute autoing a tank and still wants half hp lmao
slim terrace
you think so? I think he's really good now that his numbers have been tuned
night marsh
ornn still does a lot of damage
it's just overshadowed cause juggernauts do tank jibs but better
juggers/bruisers
slim terrace
he does, but he has to actually land his shit
eternal palm
also we're lucky bramblevest/tabis/thornmail got nerfed bramblevest + tabis used to make any AD lane matchup top irrelevant
night marsh
it's very easy to do the ornn kill combo
well that was cause of bramble
just doing so much damage
for 800g
also the classic morde build was tabis bramle seekers
good times
slim terrace
idk honestly I'm pretty biased cause I'm usually the one playing ornn instead of playing against him
nobody at my elo wants the ram daddy
night marsh
ornn is pretty annoying but it's just the surprise kill combos that put him over the edge
well it's mostly cause of how brittle works
brittle is so strong reee
sinful frost
okay but has anyone here played Blitz jungle yet
eternal palm
I mean playing ornn is fun
slim terrace
blitz recently got buffed in the jungle cause he had a bad wr yeah?
sinful frost
they recently made changes to make him real in the jungle
and then they buffed blitz jungle some more
while trying to not buff support blitz
memory serve me right
also also I think they were trying to buff solo lane blitz because he was (way back when) designed as a solo laner
dim kindle
Tank meta gives everyone agency
assassin meta gives mid/jgl agency
For solo q
Though I wouldn't necessarily narrow it down to "tank" meta
slower metas ig
eternal palm
Sylas release also changed a lot mid
remember the shield you used to get on E1
and how much healing W did when low
dim kindle
dont forget it briefly being a magic only shield
night marsh
Riot really said "stop playing Sett mid"
This is what I mean man, why are we buffing him while nerfing him
Sett has been a mutliflex god so many times now and it’s gross
night marsh
No I know they nerfed sett, I’m saying why are they doing a compensation buff when he didn’t need it
sinful frost
actually from what I understand it's not even that much of a nerf lol
night marsh
It’s not
This only affects your AP matchups which were already in your favor tbh anyways
sinful frost
No I know they nerfed sett, I’m saying why are they doing a compensation buff wh...
because they want to stop specifically midlane Sett
but they don't want to nerf him everywhere
night marsh
Top lane AP matchups*
Also completely biased but that Gwen buff is worthless
Actual placebo buff
prisma ravine
That Demonic Embrace change is funny
They claim its intended to stay the same for its primary users
Its a big nerf to them
sinful frost
https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1582486324186992642 https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1582486743512911873?s=20 https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1582487029962924033 https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1582487445052227585
bunch'a new item icons
or tweaks to existing ones
K'Sante tool tips are out
sinful frost
There's a lot of tweets with new icons
prisma ravine
Ye
I looked at em all
Hate the change to the mana items, RoA, Catalyst and so on
K'Santes prestige skin
sullen crystal
yuumi sivir is actually a crime holy
sinful frost
hmmmmm
I just realized
K'Sante's Q cooldown scales down not with AH
but with bonus armor/MR
cast time becomes faster with bonus HP, too
dim kindle
yes its hamfisting him into building tank items
sinful frost
he's up on PBE
building Q stacks on minions and then pulling the opponent with the two-stack pull
very funny
next recommended level-up now glows
okay his clear seems really easy
decently fun
someone better than me can probably six camp before 3:30 crab
don't know how good his ganks will be, though
it seems like they've toned down jungle income slightly
six camps + crab now is only 970-ish gold
down from like 1050-ish
sinful frost
dapper kite
sinful frost
woo
we are now Bronze I
quartz dock
.
sinful frost
@night marsh your girl got picked
night marsh
<@121831661284360192> your girl got picked
Did they lose yet
slim terrace
to think kanavi was held hostage by griffin for so long
wheat notch
@clear yacht the favor is far too late
clear yacht
Idk what any of this means and I intend to keep it that way
wheat notch
Idk what any of this means and I intend to keep it that way
mastery points is how much you play a champ, u get up to ab 1k points per game depending on how well u do
basically 1 mil is a lot of time
sinful frost
summary of just changes, not his thoughts
- since the start of the new season on PBE, camps have increased health/armor, but pets give +20% damage to camps to offset this
- since last PBE patch, this damage increase does not apply to enemy camps
- if you leave spare small creeps in a camp (e.g. leaving one raptor), after a camp resets, the leftover creeps will slowly die until they all die and the timer starts cycling; if you leave the large creep it seems like the camp will not automatically despawn
sullen crystal
so they're making invading worse basically
sinful frost
especially early game, yes
dim kindle
Its more about laners taking camps i feel
slim terrace
if it was then the jungle item change would've been enough
I think they want to make invasions less punishing in an effort to get worse players in the jungle
night marsh
it's real but got nerfed
sinful frost
not my finest performance
but it was not a losing performance
rito asking me about esports
sinful frost
apparently I've lost all ability to solo clear
I keep dying in clear practice
prisma ravine
... so is Seraphine any good rn?
sinful frost
she's pretty good as a classic control mage
her best roles seem to be mid and bot
support is serviceable
sinful frost
she's definitely more than playable
I'd recommend her mostly mid
or as a farming mage bot
you can play her support okay but you're basically playing a budget mage support
which, I mean, Lux works like that in the right bot lane duos
prisma ravine
Support is still her best role no?
sinful frost
Support is most popular, to be sure
her bot and mid winrates are higher, though
and I think in pro play she's exclusively picked as a bot
double checked
in pro she's mostly bot
sometimes mid
rarely support and has a significantly worse winrate
in solo queue though I'm pretty sure she's fine as a support
prisma ravine
Meh, winrate is a shite metric anyway
slim terrace
yeah she hasn't seen many games at worlds iirc
sinful frost
and lost all of them
in the bracket, at least
I think she's mostly a combo pick with Senna
slim terrace
tbf I know at least one of them was on an NA team
sinful frost
She's definitely more popular with Western teams
at Worlds Sera + Senna is an anti-Sivir-Yuumi lane
Not that it's worked out for anyone who tried it
slim terrace
maybe in an equal matchup team-wise lol
I don't really get that though, are they just supposed to lane bully or
sinful frost
But anyway, rotating back
Seraphine has all the standard midlane mage tools
and her ability to use those tools goes down if you put her in the support role
plus her supportive tools are mostly limited to W, double E, and then ult
and W early game is pretty weak
sinful frost
I don't really get that though, are they just supposed to lane bully or
they both have good range and poke
they both benefit heavily from a low-risk lane to scale in (like a Yuumi lane)
Senna's slows and shield mechanics let Seraphine proc her bonus effects more often
sinful frost
@prisma ravine Swain mid at Worlds
prisma ravine
Pog
sinful frost
spoilers for outcome
||Damwon Kia take it with the Showmaker on the Swain mid||
dim kindle
seraphine is best as a bot laner with senna imo
mid is also solid
she is very meh as support in my opinion
sinful frost
it's still okay
and everything else about her is geared towards being a midlane mage
and hey
sometimes the jungler shows up
prisma ravine
See people say that
Or rather
Riot said that
But everyone pointed out that no, every part of her is geared towards being duo
dim kindle
Having an ability that requires allies does not automatically make you a bot laner
especially with how 2v2 focused mid jgl is nowdays
mid is definitely not her weakest role
prisma ravine
Maybe in pro, but its by far her least popular role for a reason
dim kindle
duo lane is her strongest with specific combinations
slim terrace
that game 2 was fucking tragic
dim kindle
that was wild ye
slim terrace
||drx has actual rock solid mental though to clutch that||
dim kindle
That game 5 was insane too
viper trying so hard to claw it back
Scout played the initial 1v1 so well and then miscalculated his energy
then he egod the match up 3 more times
but ive never seen a sylas utilize akali ult steal so well
he just played is so confident and aggressive I think it really threw scout off in the side lanes later
slim terrace
I always forget they nerfed Q to take over 100 energy, thought he had a ton at the time
but yeah zeka just fuckin awoke with that
dim kindle
Like ngl scout actually really outplayed the 1v1 in that situation and then lost it to his flash with not enough energy
slim terrace
that's a risk you take with energy champs though rip
dim kindle
I only rarely play akali and I honestly wouldnt be able to tell the energy requirements on instinct
You just have enough usually
for the kill combo
but ye i guess its an argument for scaling energy costs being a bit awkward to play with
since it really changes your kit
these last 2 bo5 were baller and also pretty much hammered in to me that the west will never achieve this level in league
slim terrace
honestly the last 3 bo5 imo, t1 vs rng was one of the best 3-0's I've seen in a while
sinful frost
damn
I got my starting red buff sniped by a jhin
I think that's enough video gaming for one day
I'm going to choose to blame my laners for not defending my red buff at game start
instead of my failure to smite when I saw the jhin animation
sinful frost
it's about to get worse lol
I think the only characters that build it are ADCs doing a lethality-AD build
and tanks with mana pool issues
wheat notch
wdym its gonna get worse its only gonna get better from here bc theyre finally reverting seraphs 🤨
sinful frost
brother where will we purchase our AH
wheat notch
i dont care for the ah??
im a glass cannon i dont need my cds to be lower if i cant kill them before they kil lme bc my abilities tickle
at least new seraph will be like 140 ap + rabadon synergy
slim terrace
doesn't it have a base 10 AH anyways
dim kindle
It converts you extra AH but ye anyway in pre season they are changing it
current iteration of seraphs is definitely the weakest the item has ever been
wheat notch
doesn't it have a base 10 AH anyways
yeah
man looking at the AP numbers on seraphs is so funny
Release - 60 AP + 3% max mana into AP
S5: +20 AP (total 80)
S8: -30 (total 50) + 400 more mana (so technically only -18)
S10: +10 (total 60) + passive changed from 3% max to 5% bonus mana
S10: +5 (total 65)
S11: +15 (total 80)
Preseason: +20 (total 100) + passive changed from 5% bonus to 3% bonus mana
so many changes
sinful frost
More seraphs changes
They also later increased the damage reduction from 5% to 8%
But lowered AP from 80 to 60
night marsh
More seraphs changes
They also later increased the damage reduction from 5% to 8...
This is insane wtf lol
Does this stack with death dance
night marsh
I’m deadass going to just buy tear on Gwen now
sinful frost
They didn't mention it being exclusive with DD.
night marsh
Wait fuck this is actually so good damn
I’m like doing the build paths in my head and it fits so nicely
I need to recheck the new mythics but making basically a scaling AP version of death dance seems nice in theory
sinful frost
Are you actually going to buy DD on Gwen
night marsh
No not DD but it seems like it stacks with FH/Randuins which makes her basically hard af to kill in late game team fights
I sometimes opt to skip nashors since some juggernauts make the lack of health a nightmare to all in with
This solves the damage issue while also buffing the defense a bit when my w is down
sinful frost
Is Rod of Ages also good for her?
night marsh
I haven’t read the new changes to it but if it’s the same as the intial version then no
Riftmaker was the best AP item for her because it gave damage,health and healing
So any new mythic has to compete with that or protobelt’s damage
prisma ravine
Rod of Ages looks much better
Wait
Apparently the passive its replacing isnt the extra level
sinful frost
It's not
Genesis was
Heal 100 when you cast a spell (or spend mana? Something like that) on a 22 sec cooldown
This cooldown scales down to 12 or something
Also the heal doubles at max stacks
prisma ravine
Eh, this is probably still significantly better
Only issue that remains is cost, but eh
night marsh
Wait so the healing from RoA is gone?
And got replaced by the gain movement speed passive?
sinful frost
Gargoyle's Stoneplate got a cost increase
But the build path is smoother
Gives more stats
And the shield has changes but is about the same I think
The Eternity passive also heals
night marsh
Hmm I’ll need to read everything again
prisma ravine
Eternity is some percentage of mana spent heals
sinful frost
Heal a portion of mana spent
and gain mana based on a portion of damage taken
night marsh
Eh
sinful frost
It does synergize kinda funny with new Seraphs shield/damage reduction
Since Seraphs functionally converts some of your mana into health
Rod of Ages' Eternity passive's mana restore is functionally a kind of heal
I don't think Seraph's shield's mana drain counts for Rod of Ages' mana spent for healing
But that would be very funny
EDIT: I am told it does not
prisma ravine
Love it when I get 35 kills in ARAM and the game decides to give me an A+
Wheres my chest, Riot >:[
sullen crystal
CS more
prisma ravine
In ARAM?
Where literally everyone competes for CS and my champ isnt particularly great at clearing waves?
Im pretty sure they removed CS for that reason from the equation, though maybe they were stupid enough to bring it back lmao
sullen crystal
I wouldn't put it past riot
prisma ravine
True
slim terrace
how many deaths did you have
slim terrace
were you on a reset champ
dim kindle
Aram buffs/nerfs should be displayed in champ select
some champs feel incredibly frustrating to play because of them and i wouldve liked to know before tbh
by now i know most of them roughly but i wouldve liked to have known them then
dim kindle
games where people play through bot are wins and when they dont its a loss
curious
🤔
there are definitely match ups where strongsiding your top is huge and the right decision but junglers see malphite vs gp and think playing for malphite is gonna win the game and I just dont get it
eternal palm
Depends
You get that first successful gank off top , now you have prio top, malphite can shadow you as you take top side camps on both sides of the map and now you can play a split map
That requires top mid jungle synergy though
Which you’re not going to get in a solo q game most times
slim terrace
got the 2 elders in one game achievement
dapper kite
got tired of losing and just needed to break out the main?
slim terrace
yeah
dapper kite
slim terrace
but man there's nothing more therapeutic than one shotting literally everyone on the enemy team at least once a game
night marsh
I hope Zoe wins xD. I’m a Zoe main and she’s just so fun!! People get so trolled by the bubble, and her voice lines are so cute like when she sings about chocolate cake LOL! She’s super random but also smarter than she looks, just like me xD
chilly ivy
I hope Zoe wins xD. I’m a Zoe main and she’s just so fun!! People get so trolled...
?uwu
lethal dewBOT
?uwu
I hope UwU UwU ;;w;; Zoe wins ^w^ ^w^ x-xD. i’m :3 a Zoe main and she’s just (・'ω'・) (-(・'ω'・) so fun!!11 >w< >w< Peopwe get so twowwed by the x3 x3 b-bubbwe, and hew voice winyes awe so c-cute UwU wike OwO OwO when ^-^ ^-^ she s-s-sings about c-c-chocowate UwU cake :3 :3 WOW?!! She’s supew ;;w;; ;;w;; ^-^ wandom b-but also smawtew :3 :3 than she wooks, just (・'ω´・) (・'ω´・) wike OwO OwO me xD
night marsh
sinful frost
sullen crystal
being bad at jungle and having to play against someone who knows how to play jungle is the worst feeling ever
I am fighting for my life getting invaded by an elise every 3 seconds
dim kindle
being bad at jungle and having to play against someone who knows how to play jun...
yea this is definitely a big problem for new player accessibility atm and its actually what riot is trying to help with in preseason
sullen crystal
Yeah I guess
I don't think what they're doing is the best plan ever but I don't know what else they could do
dim kindle
well itll certainly make the gap in clear speed and gold/xp a littler smaller by default
slim terrace
worlds g3 ||jesus fuck t1 is clean, zeus just hit a game ending barrel chain on top of faker's root engage||
sullen crystal
mfw a blitz hook literally goes past me and still drags me back
prisma ravine
Ah
You have discovered Lollypopping
The mechanic that no one knows why its still in the game
dim kindle
tbh sometimes server tick rate also just causes weird looking hitboxes
prisma ravine
True, but with Blitz its Lollypopping 9/10 times
slim terrace
blitz and naut are the worst offenders yeah
dim kindle
naut is wild sometimes
dim kindle
Keria's Renata was one of the best support performances I've ever seen
just a differeng champ with him
slim terrace
keria is just a fucking god tier support
he also had an amazing tk performance vs rng iirc
dapper kite
prisma ravine
Sucks that Lethality MF got killed off in favour of the much more boring crit MF, and they refuse to buff lethality MF back up
sinful frost
apparently people are moving back over to on-hit for Kai'Sa these days
prisma ravine
Real onhit, or scuffed onhit?
Kraken slayer
Scuffed onhit it is
I really just wish they'd give us a proper onhit mythic
Or a set of on-hit mythics
Fuck that crit bullshit
sullen crystal
if you want unscuffed onhit just apply the lawnmower vayne build to any character
prisma ravine
Pretty sure that one starts with Kraken slayer too
sullen crystal
it definitely does not
lawnmower vayne is
titanic, runaans, guinsoos, riftmaker, wits end
dapper kite
lawnmower vanye is so funny
sullen crystal
it's amazing
prisma ravine
Uh
Riftmaker doesnt have any interactions with onhit doesn it
I guess ti does a bit of bonus damage but like
Why not Eclipse?
You scale off of AD, it still adds damage to your attacks and lethality enhances most of your onhits
sullen crystal
makes your onhit damage from wits end, runaans and titanic do more damage and also true damage
prisma ravine
Yeah but 9% of those surely is less than 60 damage per attack + the armour pen and letahlity enhancing titanic and guinsoo
sinful frost
sinful frost
does it have comparable lifesteal
prisma ravine
A bit less, but you get a shield
Oh wait
I did the test in a shit way, lemme check smthg
Ok yeah if your target has any armour, the DPS difference is pretty huge
sinful frost
is the damage on the secondary targets from runnan's higher?
prisma ravine
Lemme test
Basically identical on 0 resistance targets, lower on targets that have resistance
At 6 items
At 5 items ....
Very slightly higher on all targets
Like way I see it
You take 8% more Omnivamp in exchange for lower DPS, burst, burst survivability and an infinitely shittier buildpath
It does not seem worth it to me
prisma ravine
Yes, though multiple different sources do not stack
Er well
They do stack
They just stack multiplicatively
sinful frost
hmm
looking at it
you don't even build mythic until fourth or fifth item anyway
tbh comparing 7% Omnivamp to 15%, more than double
probably legitimately potentiallymore valuable than a 10% or so increase in DPS
prisma ravine
True, but you also lose out on a not insignificant shield
sinful frost
what's the size of the shield at six items
prisma ravine
Like 300?
Which is not as huge as the big shield items obviously, but then again 8% of your damage takes a bit to heal up to that (especially because titanic only heals for 33%)
sinful frost
I mean, Riftmaker gives 300 HP
eternal palm
If you don’t build manamune on kaisa, you’re not really doing the real on hit build
sinful frost
Riftmaker's build up is pretty ugly for Vayne
probably why it's build fifth or sixth overall
and you could go Eclipse first or second if you wanted to try to snowball and then still go for the same on-hit stuff
prisma ravine
Even as a fifth or sixth item, Eclipses build path is much smoother
And hell, if you just want ways to regain life, I think Bloodthirster might be easily competitive too, it applies to most of your onhit damage
sinful frost
but if you're committed to the on-hit build
you probably don't want to delay the on-hit stuff anyway
prisma ravine
Hell, since youre on lethal tempo anyway, why not go BotRK
sinful frost
the core is pretty much Titanic for the waveclear and Rageblade because Rageblade on Vayne
the rest of the build, lawnmower or not, is probably pretty flexible
Riftmaker is honestly probably chosen because the bonus true damage amp and omnivamp ends up synergizing with all the on-hit effects
even if raw normal ADC stats are slightly better for DPS
sometimes you just gotta be a little funny
sullen crystal
Yawn aatrox is so annoying
yes I built thornmail, no it didn't do anything
healing in this game is actually so dumb
GW does nothing and healing is just too much
eternal palm
everybody moaned and bitched about their being too much healing and GW doing nothing before this season kicked off
as the season went on they just added more healing
make GW 70% healing reduction so that it matters
people always say shit like "that would make x champion useless (usually say soraka without knowing that soraka is actually one of the biggest lane bullies due to her Q)
prisma ravine
Stronger GW was tried for a while
Turns out that lead to some pretty shite gameplay
eternal palm
I've been play since season 1, and there has never been shittier gameplay than the sustain meta of the last 2.5 seasons
it doesn't feel good to play vs
dim kindle
dunno i think the healing problem is heavily exagerated
controversial take I know
its just one of those things that feels very overwhelming
other than super hardcore outliers like peak goredrinker of course
its just that when those champions like aatrox are heavily ahead they feel like unstoppable behemoths but its not necessarily tied to the healing but rather just being very ahead in general
healing reduction is extremely strong
already
its more that those champions like aatrox are just insanely strong in general
dim kindle
I agree lane sustain was way too much for a while
corrupting pot second wind d shield etc were making lanes very hard to meaimgfully to punish
riot did nerf all of those
alongside nerfing tp resets in lane
prisma ravine
Played against Empyrean Lux for the first time today
How does Riot manage to make each Lux skin more p2w than the last, wtf
Its actually kinda impressive
sullen crystal
bruh
kaisa with kraken and muramana q'd me once as rammus and nearly 1 shot me
and I had sunfire thornmail and w up
oh I must have gotten hit by trundle ult
sinful frost
You want to ult when you're already below 50%
You don't lose any health that way
Still lose resistances, but at least you're not nuking yourself
sinful frost
they can't kill you if they're dead
night marsh
the tradeoffs you get from it just dont offset what you lose
also unironically think you do more damage with your regular kit lol
night marsh
his ratios on abilities are pretty sick though
sinful frost
Almost all of it is resistances and health scaling
So you get good damage even while building full tank
That said his Q is a big source of his damage
and that has AD scaling
sullen crystal
I've been stuck playing jungle recently
and holy shit playing jungle against these sweaty demons who just deathball your jungle and stop you getting any CS feels so miserable
and then your own teammates just take your jungle whenever they feel like it
dim kindle
ksante is kinda wild when he gets ahead
also he actually does decent at trading vs the notorious strong laners top
definitely an awkward champion in the sense that I definitely dont think you pick him as an actual tank slot
effecfively hes just a versatile bruiser
night marsh
idk I played as and against him twice
he just doesn't feel good because of his awkwardness
also if you just dont stand next to a wall, he doesnt have an R button?
dim kindle
god i wish riot would disable new champions for ranked for a week
sinful frost
sinful frost
https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1588610571146235904
https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1588610592398774274
sinful frost
this is no small potatoes buff for her
conq now stacks faster for her and she gets more healing
demonic which was already good on her is now significantly better
lane Lillia now gets better Doran's Shield
sullen crystal
doesnt liandry's make her better with melee too
dim kindle
conq now stacks faster for her and she gets more healing
demonic which was alrea...
yeah thats what I mean
like she is in a very good spot right now and then they drop this which actually changes a lot
slim terrace
oh fuck I never knew she was considered ranged lmao
night marsh
https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1588610571146235904
https://twitter.com/S...
From A tier to SS tier in 1 change, going to be funny seeing how much 1 bowling ball does
She also stacks conq much faster now
On the downlow, she’s absolutely batshit insane top vs melee champs but not many people play her
sullen crystal
AP twitch is an actual disease
had to play vs him mid and he got one kill and a gank and just snowballed so hard
he gets me to half hp and one taps me
sinful frost
Worlds Grand Finals about to start
they delayed the opening ceremony
if you're into drops you can watch on lolesports.com
otherwise it's on Twitch and YouTube
sinful frost
first draft starting
slim terrace
||there's no fucking way guma stole baron twice in the same series|| massive finals spoilers
dapper kite
||I saw the varus tp and i was like "surely not again"||
sinful frost
||there's no fucking way guma stole baron twice in the same series|| massive fin...
||you're right he stole it three times||
slim terrace
||I was really rooting for t1 this time around, but DRX winning is pretty cool too considering their players||
coral niche
i haven't watched league in a long time but i caught the last game of finals and man what a great series
i've heard the bo5s this worlds have been insane in general, might catch up on highlights
||poor keria though||
sinful frost
It's a great series
dapper kite
Bit sadge
Gotta say tho, ||very positively suprised by kingen. Never really heard much about him before, but he looked really good here||
sinful frost
||Honestly he was pretty clowned on. Definitely not a name for a top-tier top player.||
||Zeka was also a nobody until this tournament.||
||also damn||
||they keep leaking the script for Worlds in the song||
||what sort of never-say-die song is Star Walkin'||
dim kindle
honestly one of the best finals ever
the narrative is wild
||deft finally getting his title is just so amazing||
slim terrace
man I zone out like 4 enemies a fight and even solo kill their fed syndra, idk what I can do lol
sinful frost
I am a Certified Good Boy
dim kindle
i havent played enough to get there
slim terrace
speaking of that I thought the honor recall would be cool but tbh it's actually pretty annoying
dim kindle
why?
slim terrace
plays over the other recall animation and just not a fan of hearing the noise over and over when I'm recall spamming
sullen crystal
ranged top laners give me unparalleled rage
what human being actually plays them
especially when their jungler perma ganks them
wheat notch
Is the Archangel update still 3100 cost and Seraphs like 80AP over 100 with even worse scaling than on current
I haven't followed pbe stuff since then
Just want to know if there's anything worth looking forward to for my little man 
sinful frost
They undid all changes in the most recent relevant PBE change
So who knows what changes, if any, will make it to live edition preseason
wheat notch
snooze
i just want more good ap items
luden shadowflame rabadon void morello every game is lame as fuck
wow some-a times i buy-a liandyr instead
how diverse!
this update flopped so hard lol
sinful frost
I don't even know what version of RoA is making it in lol
All I know is a version is getting in
dim kindle
bot lane gets nothing
only interesting item changes are tank ones tbh
sullen crystal
man it's really noticeable when you have a bad jungler huh
dapper kite
Twitter
dim kindle
I don't really agree with that tbh
prisma ravine
You just gotta love crits anti-skill design
Love being blown up by GP getting a 20% crit
eternal palm
Every kill by GP is totally fair
sinful frost
just kidding Navori is still on the menu
sinful frost
humble glacier
you ever just
all do 30k damage over the course of a game(except for the one with half a normal persons income)
sinful frost
Are you excited for melee-class Rakan
humble glacier
it doesent matter as much for mid as it does for support
i think like
Dorans Shield is better
conqueror and first strike still seem iffy, you dont want any of the ad items
sinful frost
I see
humble glacier
support gets 50% execute on relic
which probably makes it better than spellthiefs in most situations now
dim kindle
ap rakan is based
but ye matters way more for lilia
relic access is pretty huge though
melee support p much always gets lvl 2 prio
sinful frost
why are they giving me this survey
after a bot game
prisma ravine
How did you win those games
dapper kite
oh right it doesnt say this but im support
dapper kite
i am also a very uhhh
sacrifical supporter
i often take the risk of dying myself so my teammates can live or for an engage
which isnt as great in soloque as it is when i play with my friends
im just glad i successfully got here after an unfortunate start in iron 1
dim kindle
solid
i didnt have time to reach my goal but i also only started playing ranked this year a month before season end
might wanna do that differently
next year
dapper kite
yeah i did my placements at the start of the season, decided doing them with a friend of mine who hadnt played in half a year was a good idea and uh
iron 1 incident and such
dapper kite
and then i clawed my way to silver 4 thought "oh i have some time to do the rest"
and then only started really playing ranked again last month
dim kindle
duo q is unfortunately almost never a good idea
prisma ravine
I got to gold in Flex
Tried duo Q, but that was miserable
Got really unlucky with matchmaking early on and that fucked up my MMR
dim kindle
i got stuck in smurf queue with d1/masters players when I had a winstreak
was uh awkward
i did alright most of the time but a few games I felt very outclassed
im not exactly at my peak
idk why it hapoend but apparently sometimes its caused by starting placements late in the season on pretty inactive accounts
wheat notch
Why is Twitch so fucking oppressive randomly
prisma ravine
I dont think he is?
prisma ravine
Pickrate seems stable
prisma ravine
Oh AP Twitch?
Got some buffs recently to make it viable
It ... still isnt, but its close enough
wheat notch
