tiny plane

[vast grail]

@jagged jewel

[jagged jewel]

Ok so as I said

[vast grail]

i dont see a center of lift thingy

[jagged jewel]

First could you look at those small circles

[vast grail]

there is a center of thrust

[jagged jewel]

Oh

Your center of mass is above it

Or somewhat

Even it out

[jagged jewel]

Even out your center and get your blue but more back

[vast grail]

what does that mean

[jagged jewel]

You see how the blue but and the center of mass are connected

Your center of mass is too close and a bit to hogh

Try and separate and even then put,Center of mass is always above your lift

[vast grail]

idk how to do that

[jagged jewel]

There should be a setting called move

Sorta like rotate and move

Looks like this

[vast grail]

so where should the blue ball be

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behind the yellow one

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yeah press 2

[vast grail]

why does center of pressure matter

[jagged jewel]

Told him that

But yeah

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dont you mean center of lift

[vast grail]

blue is center of pressure

[jagged jewel]

Yeah

[vast grail]

center of lift isnt a thing

[jagged jewel]

Uh

No

I've gotta go for now juni

Juno* take it from here

[vast grail]

pink is center of thrust

yellow is center of mass

blue is center of pressure

[jagged jewel]

I call it lift lmao

Sorry bro

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lift

[jagged jewel]

How I was taught

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but ok

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yeah same

[vast grail]

like that?

[fervent socket]

yes

but it is too much now

[vast grail]

it spun out

[jagged jewel]

As I said

Even then out

[vast grail]

i dont know what that means

[jagged jewel]

And make it sort of look like those different and similar charts you might have done in school

[vast grail]

i dont know what those are either

[jagged jewel]

The mass and lift have to be even,Your lift is a bit too high

Hold

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you need to have the vertical stab as aft as possibole

[vast grail]

still dont know what that means

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vertical stabilizer

[vast grail]

?

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move it aft

[vast grail]

aft is not a word

[jagged jewel]

Sorta combine them like this

Completely even

[vast grail]

is stern the cockpit?

[jagged jewel]

No

Mass should most of the time always be in the middle of your craft

[jagged jewel]

No

That is very bad

That will flip

It is even so that's good though

But move your left a bit to the right

[fervent socket]

get a bigger vertical stabilizer

[jagged jewel]

To where it looks like the chart I showed you

[jagged jewel]

That too

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how old are you @vast grail

[vast grail]

i havent taken any aerodynamics courses

[jagged jewel]

Neither have I

I'm using this to help out when I do lmao

[fervent socket]

yeah but have you took physics clases

classes

[jagged jewel]

Eh

No no man

Hold on

[vast grail]

no

[jagged jewel]

Let me use the image real quick

[fervent socket]

ah

building a plane is basically playing with leverage

[jagged jewel]

Have it more so here

I hope this helps

[vast grail]

i dont know how to make it go there

[jagged jewel]

The move tool

Wait

Oh

Move your wings

[fervent socket]

yes

[jagged jewel]

Your wings or add some more tailfins

Not the moving ones

[jagged jewel]

Too far

Even it out not using snap

[jagged jewel]

Close but

[jagged jewel]

Good there

Now

Even it out

[vast grail]

what does that mean

[jagged jewel]

You see how theres lines in the middle of those circles

[vast grail]

the black vs blue line

[fervent socket]

thats BS you dont need that

@vast grail send a top down pic pls

[jagged jewel]

Don't need it

But its how I do it

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ok so its not good for a beginner to have a delta wing

you should build a regular plane

[vast grail]

im trying to build a regular plane

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this isnt one

[vast grail]

why not

[jagged jewel]

This is more

Risky

[fervent socket]

like i said

[vast grail]

just tell me what i need to change

[fervent socket]

this is a regular plane

[jagged jewel]

I built this as my first

Build something like this lmao

[vast grail]

what do i need to change

i just want to fly

[jagged jewel]

Without the 2 mini on top and 1 big booster

[vast grail]

so what is wrong with mine compared to this

[jagged jewel]

Oh ffs

[fervent socket]

look better

[jagged jewel]

You see the fins on his back

Near the tailfins

[vast grail]

is he using control surfaces instead of wings?

[jagged jewel]

Try adding those if you really wanna fly this

I don't use flight control lmao

[vast grail]

what kind of wings are those

[jagged jewel]

Not wings

Fins

I don't really know yet

I am still stuck with 1st,Going with 1st game rules and hoping it helps you

[fervent socket]

so like you got both

[jagged jewel]

Yea

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there are the regular wings

and the control surfaces

thats how they call it

[jagged jewel]

Ah

Danke

[vast grail]

@fervent socket give me the name of the wing im suppose to use for a "regular plane"

[jagged jewel]

I would build you something

But Im eating lunch

[fervent socket]

no

[fervent socket]

im not talking about that

[vast grail]

this is the most confusing conversation ive ever had

im not getting any straight answers

[fervent socket]

regular planes have regular designs

[jagged jewel]

It isn't really that confusing

[fervent socket]

you are getting straight answers but youre not into aviation

[jagged jewel]

Your just picking something too complicated for a first

[jagged jewel]

That too

[vast grail]

im yet to be told something less complicated

[jagged jewel]

Alright then

Hold

[fervent socket]

its hard to build a plane if you dk what ur doing

[jagged jewel]

Believe it or not this flys

Have to hold it though

Let me get a better

This is a weird look

But it works

[fervent socket]

dont send that bc that only makes them confused

[jagged jewel]

Fair enough

[vast grail]

how do i rotate them?

[jagged jewel]

Sighs

Uh

Wasd

If you want them completely straightened use the move rotate tool

[fervent socket]

press C

for snapping

[jagged jewel]

So that's the button

I always did it manually

Guess we all learn something new

Lmao

[fervent socket]

landed at island af btw

[jagged jewel]

I unfortunately wouldn't know=/

Currently the game is over 60 with tax in my American state

But I will try to help best I can

Actually

Maybe your better of speaking to someone instead of typing

It took me a vc to understand

[fervent socket]

yeah

[jagged jewel]

Good flying but never landed normally with it

Somehow became this beast

[jagged jewel]

This ended up being my first plane

[jagged jewel]

2nd image is satan

[jagged jewel]

But hm

It should fly

That's odd

What about wheels

Spread your back wheels if you can

[vast grail]

what

[fervent socket]

dont put wheels back there

it wont take off

[jagged jewel]

Mine did 💀

[fervent socket]

stick to traditional designs

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at 200ms

[jagged jewel]

Believe it or not it took 159

[vast grail]

please just tell me how to make my plane take off

[fervent socket]

ok so LISTEN

youre almost there

[jagged jewel]

So close

[fervent socket]

but retractable landing gears

remove those

put one landing gear on the front

and a pair of gears under the wings

[vast grail]

a what

[jagged jewel]

That's sort of what I meant by spreading out

UAAAAHG

Urgh

[fervent socket]

yea

[vast grail]

they dont attach to wings

[jagged jewel]

Its how my craft took up so early

[fervent socket]

C

[jagged jewel]

150mph but in 13 seconds

[fervent socket]

press C

[jagged jewel]

I was off

[fervent socket]

@vast grail have you played ksp1

[jagged jewel]

Yeah

I wanna know that too

You might wanna start the 1st before second

[vast grail]

no

[jagged jewel]

.....

Well this explains alot

[fervent socket]

yeah

[fervent socket]

you should play ksp1 first

[jagged jewel]

I started on console lmao

[fervent socket]

i have 1k hours there

[vast grail]

good?

[jagged jewel]

Console qas hell

[fervent socket]

same, i have 600h on console

[jagged jewel]

But I adapted

HELL YEAH BROTHA

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not yet, move the wings down and the gear too

[vast grail]

down?

[fervent socket]

yes

the wing gears go down

the nose gear goes up a little

you need them leveled

[jagged jewel]

Make sure it's even too

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how did you get this side view

[jagged jewel]

If you wheels in back or in aren't even with your front you won't take off well

[fervent socket]

what

[jagged jewel]

Its new to me lmao

[fervent socket]

found it

[fervent socket]

this works fine

[vast grail]

like that?

[jagged jewel]

Another thing I learned from that image

Said that wrong

[fervent socket]

you need the gears leveled

[jagged jewel]

My bad

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turn on COM

[jagged jewel]

Even them

[vast grail]

how

[vast grail]

how

[fervent socket]

omgggggg

center of mass overlay

[jagged jewel]

I normally turn my plane upside down fo wheels

[fervent socket]

move the back gears a little to the front

[jagged jewel]

I'm starting to die inside

[fervent socket]

and the nose gears up a little bit

[jagged jewel]

Yeah

More so under your cockpit

Hopefully evens out your lift and mass

[jagged jewel]

This horrifysnme

In so many ways

[jagged jewel]

Uh

Your lift

[fervent socket]

no

bro please let me talk first

[jagged jewel]

Alright man.

[fervent socket]

ik you wanna help but they will get confused

[jagged jewel]

Wasn't talking about the wheels though,The wings keep screwing with me.

[fervent socket]

oh sorry

i thought you were talking abt gears

[jagged jewel]

Your dead on with the gears lmao

Why are there so many people in the duna vc

That's what's real terrifying.

[vast grail]

how fast does it need to be going for take off

[fervent socket]

dw abt that

[jagged jewel]

You have to find out

[fervent socket]

yeah

[jagged jewel]

I bet you'll lift regardless

My craft is heavy and lifts almost halfway

[fervent socket]

yeah

[jagged jewel]

Though they are 2 different game so idk Abt it yet

[vast grail]

it turned

[jagged jewel]

...

Ouch

[fervent socket]

the physics are surprisingly similar

[fervent socket]

skill issue it seems

can you record the takeoff

[vast grail]

ok we are done here

[fervent socket]

a video

[jagged jewel]

I wish I had the game but

Not yet

Gonna wait for price drop if it happens

[vast grail]

!close

[fervent socket]

late

[jagged jewel]

Hm.

I'm surprised it's still doing that

Is his front wheel leveled with his back?

Yeah his front from the last image is lower than the back

[fervent socket]

i dont care anymore

[jagged jewel]

Fair enough

[fervent socket]

they dont want help

[jagged jewel]

🤝

We tried

[fervent socket]

yeah excacly

[jagged jewel]

See you in general,Maybe.

[vast grail]

you complained about me not knowing how aerodynamics works, it took 250 messages before i started getting straight answers besides "build a normal air craft" you said skill issue instead of what was wrong with the plane. When we got to the point where i got straight answers the directions were still not enough to do anything "leveled" and "even" are completely subjective

this is no help at all and im not any closer to taking off

[fervent socket]

well cope

you cant take a joke

[jagged jewel]

I'm sorry that I couldn't help you,But I think you should have played the 1st before anything

[fervent socket]

stay mad or be humble to learn

[fervent socket]

yeah exactly

[vast grail]

that is a horrible take

[jagged jewel]

It is cheaper and a great start

[vast grail]

what does that game have that this one doesnt

[jagged jewel]

=/Quite a bit actually.I will leave that to to other people to explain though

[vast grail]

i dont even want to know

[fervent socket]

bro#

ksp1 is like 12yo

ksp2 literally got released 3h ago

[vast grail]

dont explain it please

[fervent socket]

then dont ask

[vast grail]

please just a straight forward answer on why the plane turns to the left or right without me hitting the keyboard

[fervent socket]

i need a vid

[jagged jewel]

I said this a bit ago

Your front wheel is to low,Is your plane even,Like not pointing up or down when on the runway?

[vast grail]

Why would a plane have to be vertically flat

[fervent socket]

it doesnt

but youre not experienced

so one more thing not to worry abr

[vast grail]

That would not cause it to turn left or right

[fervent socket]

yeah

but fix that first

[vast grail]

Why

[fervent socket]

we follow a logic here

we first fix known problems

[vast grail]

Logic would tell you that the plane does not need to be flat

So it’s not a problem

[fervent socket]

we dont let problems stack

[fervent socket]

yeah i got 1000h exclusively building planes and you got 3h

[vast grail]

Not flat

[fervent socket]

wtf

wdym

[vast grail]

The backend is lower than the front

[fervent socket]

do you realize the front wheel isnt touching the ground

omfg

[vast grail]

Oh

[vast grail]

I’ll be back later I gtg

[fervent socket]

yeah

[jagged jewel]

Hello again

[fervent socket]

hi

i build a simple plane in 5 min

[jagged jewel]

Is this a ksp or stock image?

May I see

[fervent socket]

nah thats a web image

[jagged jewel]

Ooh very nice

Was also a first

Currently refraining from making another till I get better parts

My plane is ok but this is ksp 1

The big jet engine and 2 bottom aren't supposed to be there

Nor are the 4 minis on the top

[fervent socket]

lol wtf

[jagged jewel]

It has 7 engines,one jumbo,6 mini

Lmao

Believe it or not this flys fine

Just not a good lander 😭

I named it big yamma because I did a funny thing and added around 6 firework launchers to the bomber and bombed the island

Lmao it was quite a sight

[fervent socket]

crazy

[jagged jewel]

Lmao if you've got time tonight

I can show you

It's not perfect,But for a first it's ok.