Action A: A rival civ settles a city whose growth impinges upon the other civ's capital
Action B: A rival civ settles a city ten tiles distant as the crow files but actually across mountains or water as part of that distance
These opposite extremes currently cause the exact same diplomatic malus in the game, and it feels wrong. The malus feels too low in the case of Action A, probably too high in the case of Action B.
#"Settled too close to another Civilization's capital" really needs some fine tuning
languid tapir
minor cedar
(I'm not necessarily disagreeing with OP's suggestion, just adding clarity around the mechanics involved in these cases)
I'm not 100% sure (don't have an example game open), but there is an another relevant diplomatic malus:
- Borders touching
that I'm pretty sure separately applies to case A, and definitely doesn't apply to case B (unless you have some other settlement that results in borders touching).
So from a broader perspective, settling directly next to another player's capital results in a bigger diplomatic malus in case A (within 10 of capital, plus borders touching) vs case B (within 10 of capital, but no borders touching).
languid tapir
I agree that this is a factor, too. But the thing is that it's pretty much a given that the "borders touching" malus will apply to pretty much every diplomatic relationship -- even if it's just that you both snagged marginal little towns next to each other. It's neither unusual enough nor large enough to mark that relationship out as particularly tanked.
hardy iris
I had a city on a separate continent and 13 tiles away activate the -20 diplomatic malus. To actually avoid this malus seems ludicrous.
minor cedar
I had a city on a separate continent and 13 tiles away activate the -20 diplomat...
which one? the too close to capital? or the borders touching?
hardy iris
Too close to capital. If it was the borders touching I would go straight to the bug reporter 😅
minor cedar
I had thought it was the threshold for "too close to capital" was 10 tiles, but I guess that was just from hearsay from a content creator, I haven't directly tested. wonder if the value varies, maybe depends on map size?
hardy iris
mayhaps I wonder if I still have that game
toxic mango
Maybe it has triggered in another nation's capitol?... I'm usually playing on standard not small map and it was properly using 10 hexes...