Some Suggested Leaders/Civs

[worn spear]

Marx was good. Stalin and Mao not so much.

[tribal minnow]

Marx himself didn't do all those atrocities, I fail to see how his inclusion is evil. Besides, we have Ghengiz Khan in the game, who sworded -personally- a lot of people, not to mention wiping out entire cities, starving populations and committing various war crimes and atrocities. Baghdad, Marv, and many other cities still carry the marks of the destruction. If we start filtering leaders like this, then we'll be left with handful of leaders.

[tardy veldt]

I'm personnaly wishing for Leaders and Civ that completely a certain cultural immersion along the game.
Meaning being able for those who want that, to play games where all leader leads their true culture (or close to it), and as they change civ in each era (yes keeping the civ and unlock other civ uniqueness is not doing the immersion job), they do have some culturally right civ.
Ex-1: Hittites -> Ottoman -> Turkye — lead by Atatürk or Suppiluliuma I.
Ex-2: Danes -> England -> USA — lead by Knut or B.Franklin
Even with crossed path as the player choose, would be so more immersive that see Ada leading Inkas...

Basically imho all new civ and leaders should be added in order to complete that perspective! then free to unlock and mix whatever for those who enjoy that!

[tribal minnow]

Hittites were present in Civ3, we need to get them back for sure! Back then we had Mursilis as their leader, but yeah, we could have Suppiluliuma as well. There is plenty of material for Hitties by now, the last total war game implemented them in detail

[desert forge]

1000% to hittites

[stray gorge]

How about some Ideology exclusive buildings too?

• Democracy could have Shopping Malls (+gold +resource capacity) and Amusement Parks (+happiness +tourism) buildings, gain extra trade route with all civs when built together
• Communism would have a unique Commune town specialization that lets towns both grow population and allow buying any building.
  • Alternatively, they could have Administrative Center (+science +culture) and Social Housing (+food +production) buildings in cities for a centralist approach.
• Fascism would have Secret Police (reduce happiness and influence penalties/malus) and Labor Camps (boosts production, doubled in conquered settlements, but also reduces happiness)

[ember mason]

Let’s keep to leaders and civs folks 👀

[ember mason]

And ‘labour camps’ is not a great idea 🫣

[stray gorge]

The game already has fascism, nuclear weapons, and razing settlements so I don't think it's necessary to censor a production building with 2 words.
Just don't put detail into what happens there just like how Civ already doesn't elaborate on the material effects of nuclear bombs or razing if they want to keep it non-PG.
But yes, I will keep the topic here to civs and leaders.

[full raven]

Bro gets 12 Attribute points for free. But I’d love for him to be added

[tribal minnow]

The perks are busted you gotta nerf them, but the modelling looks great!

[wispy temple]

@tribal minnow @full raven It's the AI work, I did it to give an example/Idea

[tribal minnow]

Fair enough. I just thought how bonkers would he be if he leads Mayans, that science overflow would kill the game lol

[worn spear]

Great Scientist point per turn 🤔🤔🤔

[radiant nacelle]

"Library and University" 2 different tier buildings from two different eras, neither of which are in modern
"+1 trade route capacity" with whom?

[worn spear]

AI writing 🙃

[fresh meteor]

Sherman with a leader bonus towards razing(even if most of that was done out of spite by retreating forces, still the best I could think of for that game mechanic)

[worn spear]

Attila for razing IMHO

[fresh meteor]

Yeah that’d be good too

Not like razing is all that common outside of aggressive IPs or ai choosing very bad settlement locations but it’s still a part of the game I wanted to try and focus on to find a niche

Maybe more useful for small maps or a civ like qajar that plays under their city limit?

Also that “Delenda est” senator came to mind midway through but I’m blanking on his name

Could sorta see it leveraged almost like modern MAD doctrines in multiplayer

War mustn’t be so one sided

We can both lose

[oblique lotus]

What is the most modern leader in Civ history? Is the 1970s too modern?

As a Swede, I'm thinking of potential Swedish leaders, and my mind goes to Gustav Vasa, Alfred Nobel, Carl Michael Bellman and Astrid Lindgren. But Olof Palme, a famous social democratic leader in the 70-80s would be pretty cool as well, if you want some more socialist leaders (along with Karl Marx) that aren't controversial and were mostly beloved by the Swedish citizens.

Of course, social democracy isn't communism, not even socialism, but since social democracy is a part of the communist civic in Civ 7, I guess social democracy is in that category, by the game's logic.

Never mind, social democracy is not a civic for Communism, got it wrong...

[full raven]

No AI

[wispy temple]

Good suggestion but the portrait isn't good, Mine is better and more historical. I would like to switch culture to military specially Abbasids in the game are science and expansionist but also culture suits them very well and work great

[wispy temple]

How about give him Elephants 🐘

[drifting falcon]

the portrait is from Civ 5 concept art and fits historical depictions of Harun al-Rashid a lot better

[wispy temple]

Wrong.

[radiant nacelle]

Just out of genuine curiosity, what is your sourcing for this? And which part are you calling wrong?

[ember mason]

Can we please keep to just posting leaders and civs 😭

[ember mason]

Please don’t criticise others work (especially when they’ve made it and not used ai)

[full raven]

I would like criticism if it’s actually constructive 🙂

[wispy temple]

It's strange that the sensitivity is directed only at me. Even though my suggestion received some criticism and negative feedback, nothing was said to those who criticized it, and I didn't complain or object.

I never belittled Shahanshah's work; on the contrary, I supported it. However, I felt it was necessary to clarify my opinion regarding Harun al-Rashid's historical appearance. Historically, he did not wear an earring, he was not dark-skinned, and he did not wear a turban or headgear in that Indian-style fashion.

That's all. It's simply a matter of expressing viewpoints. In fact, I agree with the design and appreciate the effort Shahanshah put into presenting this proposal, and I stand with him. Also, I wasn't bothered by those who reacted with eye emojis or other reactions.

[ember mason]

So the rules re. AI - when you post something that you've used AI to create - you need to disclose this. I don't actually see where anyone criticised your post though ? There was constructive comments on the balance etc?

And yes, it was aimed at you as this comment #1352657581654671421 message "Mine is better" - you didn't create this art, AI did. That's the difference. Further more just saying "Wrong" isn't a great piece of feedback, what exactly is wrong?

[full raven]

Yea this interaction is just incredibly rude.

[graceful eagle]

what if there was a civ that could always apex (was thinking something like the imperial family of japan considering they are the longest heditary monarchy in the world, but thats quite a little bit wonky with meiji japan in as well)

or maybe a civ that is always time tested (while still being able to be selected at each age with an unlock condition, maybe if they're playing a time tested civ in the current age?) but has massive bonuses to syncretism (i was thinking a place which always embraced the influx of other cultures...maybe singapore? but its also weird to have them since they're also most likely to have a 1 city restriction which might get a little confusing)

[full raven]

I think there was an opportunity to make Britain and Ottoman both Exploration and Modern apex. But the game wasn’t designed around that at the time.

[autumn hill]

Sei Shonagon

Cultural
Diplomatic

Empress Teishi's Salon
Increased Culture and Gold from Specialists.
Gain a Unique Endeavor called 'Snow on Xianglu Peak' that can be performed in an Alliance to grant you and your allies increased culture.

[molten timber]

Hi @wispy temple
We try our best to respect the community's opinion wherever possible, but there are certain rules we strictly follow to keep the environment a safe and happy place!
While you can express your opinion, it has to be without breaking any rules and being sensitive/polite to other members as well 🙂

I hope we all can find peace ✌️ and move on !

[wispy temple]

It seems they aren't happy with my presence, so it's probably best for me to leave

[worn spear]

People just don't appreciate AI slop, especially if it's put on a pedastal. Just avoid that!

[random heart]

i am sure it is in here somewhere but we have zero economic/scientific leaders right now (and a ton of dipl/mil) and I would really like them to priotize that combo.

[worn spear]

I suggested Isaac Newton for economic/scientific, he ran the Royal Mint for quite a while and was very wealthy in addition to his better known scientific achievements.

Though I doubt we get another British leader particularly soon.

[drifting falcon]

there have been a few suggestions for this. Newton or Copernicus would be good earlier leaders. An economist like David Ricardo or John Maynard Keynes would also work really well for this

[stray gorge]

I've had this concept of Karl Marx with those attributes, reflecting his background as an economist and sociologist but he'd have a gimmicky ability of letting him use science to research civics and convert all gold generated in cities into production, but it could come with a malus in culture so he'd still be incentivized to prioritize science.

[fresh meteor]

Guttenberg might make for a good science based leader

[random heart]

The meme-y econ/science leader would be someone like Tesla I think. 🙂

[worn spear]

Great at going bankrupt?

[random heart]

Eh I mean Xerxes is most famous for losing badly to the Greeks and then getting assasinated. That didn't stop him from representing the Achaemenids

[shut tendon]

And economic, he could print money

[fresh meteor]

Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit